View Full Version : Pioneer 747 Progressive PAL/NTSC Avaliable !
Wasn't too sure wether to post this here or not, I don't know if people know about this site - http://www.dvdupgrades.ch They are offering a modified 747 which is confirmed to do PAL and NTSC progressive !! :clap:
They are asking £976 inc VAT for a region free + PAL Progressive player. So it's not cheap. :mad:
Ron Hill
06-03-2002, 10:02
While on the subject of Prog. scan. Can any prog scan capable projector handle prog scan PAL? I am under the impression that prog scan is officially NTSC only. Fill me in oh tech wizards of this mighty forum. :)
As far as I know, any projector will do progressive scan. One thing is for sure - if the projector will do progressive NTSC, it will do Progressive PAL. *I think* :D
nigel_williams
06-03-2002, 11:31
Some projectors like the Sony VW11 have a de-interlacer built in but only for NTSC signals. PAL progressive is starting to appear in budget DVD players but the process can result in lip-sync problems as it obviously takes time to assemble the picture.
The picture should be better with progressive so some people are building home theatre PCs (HTPC) to output progressive cheaply and be able to tweak the output.
I know the Arcam (DV88 I think) has a PAL progressive option but that's £1,300.
Best place for a reply would be the AV forums: http://www.avforums.com/
The VW10 WILL handle progressive PAL from an external source so I presume the VW11 will, too. The built-in deinterlacer isn't used when the source is already deinterlaced (progressive), so any limitations it might have aren't a factor.
Guys btw, can "normal" CRT or RPTV's display a progressive scan output ? If not then its not really worth me going for a progressive scan player. :D
Thanks.
nigel_williams
06-03-2002, 16:17
Some of the newer widescreen CRTs can but I've not seen one to judge the difference.
Brian Blessed Badger
06-03-2002, 20:37
Originally posted by nigel_williams
Some of the newer widescreen CRTs can but I've not seen one to judge the difference.
Care to name a UK CRT set than can accept an external PAL (or NTSC) PS signal ?
Sadly :( I don't think there are any - apart from using either a PC/DVD that has a VGA output/Video Scaler that has a VGA output and a Loewe Set with the optional VGA card, even then I don't think it can display the native resolution of a PAL progressive scan image (it may do NTSC though)
If you know of one (a Finlux set claims to - but I can't find any more info about it) then I would be very interested
Phil
nigel_williams
06-03-2002, 20:54
Care to name a UK CRT set than can accept an external PAL (or NTSC) PS signal ?
You may be right about accepting external progressive signals but several TVs are advertising Progressive Scan Technology e.g. Hitachi C36WF830N
Maybe it's just an internal de-interlacer?
SwinnyDon
06-03-2002, 21:51
As far as I am aware, there aren't any CRT/RPTVs on sale in the UK that take either PAL or NTSC Prog Scan. Some of the CRTs that advertise as being Prog Scan are in fact internal decoders, and do not accept Prog Scan input.
I bought a Pioneer DV737 from Hong Kong last year thinking that Prog Scan was the best thing since sliced bread, only to realise that only plasmas and projectors take can accept it.
My pioneer is now connected to a Tosh 40Wh08 using component cables (which I picked up from HK over the new year) and find that there is a noticable difference between component and S-video (only outputs on Asia models are Component, S-Video, composite and "d2" which is the Asian equivalent to Scart, but also of much higher quality)
Brian Blessed Badger
06-03-2002, 22:09
Originally posted by nigel_williams
You may be right about accepting external progressive signals but several TVs are advertising Progressive Scan Technology e.g. Hitachi C36WF830N
Maybe it's just an internal de-interlacer?
I think this is starting to appear on sets now, this has an upside - ie all inputs will be de-interlaced, but you are then dependent on the quality of the de-interlacer in the set. I also understand that Progressive DVD players can construct a better image than de-interlacing an interlaced signal.
Anyway if they have an internal de-interlacer the player mentioned at the top won't help at all as no CRT/RP sets will accept it's progressive signal. www.avforums.com has a thread about a Toshiba RP set that might accept a signal but there seems to be contradictiory evidence.
Phil
Tim_Bishop
07-03-2002, 09:18
OK, see the stuff about progressive scan. I'm running a Philips widescreen TV, which I'm pretty certain doesnt have progressive scan. Will the 747 give me a better picture and sound than my existing Panasonic DVDR20. I dont expect to be buying NTSNC stuff, too much of my old collection would be wasted.
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