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TimLeeds
17-07-2010, 19:22
Thought I'd kick off this thread.
It should be an interesting division this year. Last season I think that most people expected Newcastle and West Brom to get the automatic spots.
Personally I don't see that there are any clear favourites this season. What do others think?
I think Boro look to have spent well so far. Boyd should score for fun in this league. Forest and Cardiff should also challenge and I can see QPR being more consistent under Warnock. I haven't even mentioned the relegated teams yet either. Burnley will be able to buy anyone with their parachute money. Hull will also be able to throw some money about (but probably to a lesser degree as I think they will be looking to reduce their debts). That's six teams that could (should) be up there.
I'd love to see Leeds up there too but would with the current squad I can't see us challenging. There's still time for us to get Messi & Ibrahimovic though!!
rbullivant
18-07-2010, 07:45
Don't see Burnley splashing the cash to be honest, they didn't when they were in the Premiership so why now?
Think Forest have a decent chance of automatic if we can sort ourselves out, I'll have a better idea when I go and see them play against Tranmere on Wednesday
R
pompeyfan
18-07-2010, 16:28
I'm looking forward to the coming season moreso than when in the premier league - I know we'll struggle (but thats nothing new as there's been more seasons of struggle than glory since I started following Pompey in the early 80's), but I think it's because of more league games, more 3pm Sat kick-offs and that we'll be playing some local youngsters who came through the youth setup rather than overpaid and over hyped foreign mercenaries so it'll be more interesting.
chopperwilson
19-07-2010, 10:49
Not sure how we'll do, think I'd settle for a season of consolidation, and hopefully push for a play off spot.
Really looking forward to the new season at Palace. We're lucky to still even be here, both in the division or as a club, but the new owners are really handling themselves extremely well at the moment. It is like chalk and cheese between this new consortium and Simon Jordan. The most refreshing thing is the amount of dialogue and the quality of it between them and the fans, specifically on our 'unofficial' Forum sites.
For example, at the moment there is a lot of speculation about Nathaniel Clyne going to another club for a deal that seems well below what he is worth, then tonight, a confirmed member of the consortium has gone onto our forum and posted this, in response to a fan's question
"Nathaniel is away with England, he's a Palace player with a two year contract. In our view the most talented right back in the country for his age, clearly he would like to test himself in the Premiership we would like that to either be with Palace or when the right offer comes in for both Nathanial and the club. At the moment we haven't had anything that is even close to our valuation of him, as such we look forward to welcoming him back to training."
It's clear that we have a lot of rebuilding to do after the last few years, but now we own the ground and the club is debt free, we really can start to move forward again. No idea where we're likely to finish this year, though.
Niceguygeoff
06-08-2010, 20:45
Norwich and Watford play out a 5-goal thriller, and that's not a bad way to get the season started. And after that World Cup beach ball, it's a strange sight to see a football actually have some weight to it. :D
Come on the Palace! Losing by only a couple of goals to Leicester will do me. Anything more is a bonus.
smeegheead
06-08-2010, 22:16
As a Swans fan, I'm not really sure on what to expect given our over performance last year and our woeful scoring record. Sousa gone to Leicester (Thank God!) but yet another unsettling summer, lost Britton to the blades but tbh we're not exactly short (pardon the pun) on decent center midfielders.
Given we're a small fish in a big pond I'd take another season as consolidation, but maybe just go one better and break into the play-offs this time around.
Potentially 2 new players which will up our tempo in Augstien and Sinclair from Chelski.
Still think we'll struggle for goals (we hit the post 6 times against Cheltenham lol) but from pre-season we've been a lot more positive in our play.
I'd take a point at Hull, but knowing our previous record on opening day we'll outplay them and lose 3-2 :brickwall
I suspect Leicester have a good chance of three points today - Palace's summer of rebuilding has only really just started and because the league are faffing around with the paperwork we might not even be able to play some or all of our new signings.
Palace 2010 still don't have the FL Golden Share, so the CVA whilst agreed for weeks hasn't gone through and we still technically start the season in administration as Palace 2000, who we thought had played their last game. All to do with the late changes to the Fit & Proper person tests and the fact that it has taken a long time to get all the paperwork the League needs.
Good article on Palace's new owners here, for anyone who doesn't know how lucky we are to still exist and how relieved we are to find that the new group in charge look to be a sensible bunch. http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard-sport/football/article-23863907-crystal-palace-future-is-crystal-clear-for-clubs-saviours.do
Well high expectations were again brought crashing down on the opening game. Still it's a marathon not a sprint
chopperwilson
10-08-2010, 15:23
As a Swans fan, I'm not really sure on what to expect given our over performance last year and our woeful scoring record. Sousa gone to Leicester (Thank God!) but yet another unsettling summer, lost Britton to the blades but tbh we're not exactly short (pardon the pun) on decent center midfielders.
Given we're a small fish in a big pond I'd take another season as consolidation, but maybe just go one better and break into the play-offs this time around.
Potentially 2 new players which will up our tempo in Augstien and Sinclair from Chelski.
Still think we'll struggle for goals (we hit the post 6 times against Cheltenham lol) but from pre-season we've been a lot more positive in our play.
I'd take a point at Hull, but knowing our previous record on opening day we'll outplay them and lose 3-2 :brickwall
Thought you played OK in patches, not a lot of goal mouth opportunities for both sides. Nathan Dyer looks a handful, but if your relying on Dobbie and Kuqi you'll struggle
^ I think they will be relying on Scott Sinclair ;)
smeegheead
10-08-2010, 17:33
Yeah from what I heard we were far from our best, be interesting to see Sinclair and how he does..but 500k could really be a bargain.
Nathan Dyer is a conundrum tbh, can be excellent for 4-5 games then disappear for the same period. Most of the time theres no end product with him, but then he wouldn't be with us if he did lol
Blinding goal from John Bostock (for Hull) a day or two after he joined them. Everytime I see it mentioned though they never say he's on loan from Spurs
Blinding goal from John Bostock (for Hull) a day or two after he joined them. Everytime I see it mentioned though they never say he's on loan from Spurs
Nor do they mention that Tottenham tapped him up from Palace at the age of 15 after he had already made his league debut and that he's spent the last two years 'developing' in the Spurs reserves and on loan at Brentford when he would have been a regular first choice at Palace. He was playing at this level almost 3 years ago - all Spurs have done is hold him back!
Bostock will have an important 'learning experience' with the reception he's going to get at Selhurst Park on 11 December.
chopperwilson
12-08-2010, 10:55
Coppell quits as manager of Birstol City. David James for player/manager?
Coppell quits as manager of Birstol City. David James for player/manager?
Nope, Keith Millen (Who he!) has got the job on a 3 year deal. James may make #2 though?
Fat Bloke
12-08-2010, 11:17
I did hear that Coppell wasn't responsible for signing James, the chairman was. Maybe that had a part in this decision?
bigjonnyauk
13-08-2010, 23:03
well it seems another season begins and more comings and goings at leicester lol
i was hoping for a promotion push under pearson then he went to hull cuz mandaric would not back him in the market on certain buys.
then we got sousa and all the swansea fans saying he is a defensive manager and we will only get the odd goal
well 2 games in and we have scored 6 but conceded 6 lol i think maybe sousa just saw that swansea did not have the players with enough skill
i still thought maybe top 6 would be a good results but then yesterday mandaric sells the club.
we are now owned by some thai consortium who have a bit of money to spend i hear not a lot but maybe enough to get us up
so now i just suppose its going to be a suck it and see cuz i really dont know now lol
funny old game
slideymoo
15-08-2010, 13:59
lol, just saw this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derby_County_F.C.
Nickname(s) The Rams, sheep shagging ************
And can anyone say who derby beat in the prem in the season they only got 1 win? It said they went 37 games without a win so it was either the first or last game, but doesnt say who :)
TigaSefi
15-08-2010, 14:02
lol, just saw this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derby_County_F.C.
Nickname(s) The Rams, sheep shagging ************
And can anyone say who derby beat in the prem in the season they only got 1 win? It said they went 37 games without a win so it was either the first or last game, but doesnt say who :)
Musta changed it!
Nickname(s) The Rams, sheep shag army
:shrug:
Great result for the swans on Saturday and a great way to give Swans player Besian Idrizaj a send off (Died aged 22 back in the summer)
Looks like Scott Sinclair is gonna give a few fullbacks a heart attack this year, this boy looks too good for this divison, but Preston although started well were very poor.
And hats off to the fan who organised this off their own back (the huge shirt made out of A3 cards)
And we won 4-0 and Besian's shirt number was 40
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TimLeeds
24-01-2011, 14:22
Thought this thread deserved a nudge. Anyone got any hopes for the last week of the transfer window?
Looking back at the first post in the thread I did laugh at my prediction that Kris Boyd would score goals for fun in this league! I guess I couldn't have been more off the mark if I'd tried.
QPR should be very hard to dislodge, especially now that they have signed Routledge, Miller and Chimbonda. I'd be amazed if they didn't now continue on and get one of the two automatic promotion slots. Second will be interesting though. Cardiff & Swansea are both doing well but Forest have been quietly sneaking up on the rails. They seem to have got some consistency and they also have games in hand on the teams above them and will go second if they can win them.
As for my team Leeds, I would have taken consolidation at the start of this season but, given where we now are, I'll be disappointed if we don't make the play-offs. Here's hoping Ken Bates gets his wallet out and gets us a CB and CM before the transfer window closes.
I wouldn't hold your breath about bates, but do agree with you on forest. They seem to be sneaking up the table.
Mr Majestik
24-01-2011, 14:57
I imagine we (Leeds) will take a couple of spare Prem players on loan once the windows closed.
pompeyfan
24-01-2011, 19:30
We could do with a RB, ML, MC really - but tbh I take anyone just to boost the numbers at the club.
Mr Majestik
25-01-2011, 09:00
We could do with a RB, ML, MC really - but tbh I take anyone just to boost the numbers at the club.
And some new fuses for the lights. :)
TimLeeds
25-01-2011, 09:18
I wouldn't hold your breath about bates.
I know, it was written more in hope than anticipation. Every transfer window, like many football fans, I get my hopes up only to see them dashed when we don't buy anyone and, as Mr Majestik says, we bring in a loanee who shows no real ambition to play for the team (Trundle/McSheffery). I must admit though, this new Premier League rule regarding squad sizes has resulted in a lot more possibilities for loan moves involving better quality players. There have been reports of Michael Johnson being available for loan from Man City and expressing a wish to come to Leeds (apparently he supported us as a kid). God knows what his wages are though. Perhaps we could do a similar deal to Cardiff/Bellamy and get City to pay most of the costs!
And some new fuses for the lights. :)
:lol:
rbullivant
25-01-2011, 10:14
If you consider how badly Forest started the season, a few losses and a lot of draws we must be the form team of the minute, in fact the BBC say we are, 16/18 points recently.
We catch up a game tonight, hopefully won't be any problems. In addition we've actually strenghened the team in January as opposed to last season. I can see us start to creep up on the automatics in the coming weeks as we catch up on our missed matches. Maybe going a few weeks without a match has helped us!
I note that the West Ham game FA Cup game is on Sunday, but cannot seem to find any corresponding TV listing, is it on TV?
R
i have checked and can't find the west ham game either. They seem to be showing the usual suspects (arsenal, chelsea and man u)
If you consider how badly Forest started the season, a few losses and a lot of draws we must be the form team of the minute, in fact the BBC say we are, 16/18 points recently.
We catch up a game tonight, hopefully won't be any problems. In addition we've actually strenghened the team in January as opposed to last season. I can see us start to creep up on the automatics in the coming weeks as we catch up on our missed matches. Maybe going a few weeks without a match has helped us!
I note that the West Ham game FA Cup game is on Sunday, but cannot seem to find any corresponding TV listing, is it on TV?
R
West Ham v Forest was going to be on tv if Leics had beaten Man City in the replay. They were not bothered about showing Notts County v Leics but are happy to show Notts County play Man City.
Due to this they kind of lined up the Forest game for 2pm on Sunday anyway but then Man City won the replay and so the Forest game is now being played at a weird time but not shown on UK tv but bizarrely does seem to be being shown elsewhere in the world.
EDIT: Oh and with regards to Forest's chances I have stayed out of this thread as people have paid no attention to us. Not many games on Sky and not featured very often on the Football League Show and that is kind of the way I like it. Take the spotlight off us and let them get on with the challenge in hand.
I think the board will mess up again with lack of signings though and may stumble into the playoffs again if we are lucky.
A very busy February coming up it seems with the games in hand etc.
Only in the last few weeks has the spotlight hit us (Swansea) as most of the season we been under the radar.
We need a LB/CB in and an AM. Hopefully we grab 2nd spot.
But the way leicester have been splashing the cash and sitting top of the form guide they gonna be a force in the next 3 months
I do think that it is a bit wrong that Leicester and Cardiff have so many loan players.
rbullivant
26-01-2011, 13:21
Yes the Forest rise has been below the radar, but now we seem to be talked about as automatic contenders, if we win our game in hand next tuesday anyway!
Am a little concerned as would be happier to do a Blackpool and be the form team in the playoffs, instead we seem to be peaking about now and will probably limp into then again
R
our (forest) playoff record is bloody awful though :D
TimLeeds
26-01-2011, 16:34
We need a LB/CB in
We'd be happy to let you have Bessone back!!
horseflesh
26-01-2011, 18:42
If you consider how badly Forest started the season, a few losses and a lot of draws we must be the form team of the minute, in fact the BBC say we are, 16/18 points recently.
We catch up a game tonight, hopefully won't be any problems. In addition we've actually strenghened the team in January as opposed to last season. I can see us start to creep up on the automatics in the coming weeks as we catch up on our missed matches. Maybe going a few weeks without a match has helped us!
R
EDIT: Oh and with regards to Forest's chances I have stayed out of this thread as people have paid no attention to us. Not many games on Sky and not featured very often on the Football League Show and that is kind of the way I like it. Take the spotlight off us and let them get on with the challenge in hand.
I think the board will mess up again with lack of signings though and may stumble into the playoffs again if we are lucky.
A very busy February coming up it seems with the games in hand etc.
Yes the Forest rise has been below the radar, but now we seem to be talked about as automatic contenders, if we win our game in hand next tuesday anyway!
Am a little concerned as would be happier to do a Blackpool and be the form team in the playoffs, instead we seem to be peaking about now and will probably limp into then again
R
It's been a nice steady climb up the table, and we're in great form at the moment. The only thing is though, as rbullivant says, I really think it's essential to seal one of the automatic places because...
our (forest) playoff record is bloody awful though :D
Yes the Forest rise has been below the radar, but now we seem to be talked about as automatic contenders, if we win our game in hand next tuesday anyway!
Tuesday is not actually 1 of our games in hand as everyone else plays that midweek also. That fixture has been in place since the start.
Coventry away are no mugs though so would be happy with a draw especially after hopefully putting in a good effort against West Ham only 48 hours earlier.
Mr Majestik
27-01-2011, 10:43
The Leeds V Forest match as been switched to a Friday(1st April) night so the BBC can show it.
That should be a test of who's going up or not.
My preference, if you can't get auotmatic promotion, is to hit the late run of form that takes you into the playoffs just at the end with the momentum to take you through. Regarding the loan system and my team Leicester. It's the same rules for everyone at the end of the day. Mind you the parent club still paying part wages as I think is the case with Bellamy is a bit iffy. Not sure if that is the case with any LCFC players. You do wonder if a team like that goes up what team they will have left if they can't then sign the loans though. The new parachutes payments also create a pretty inequal situation at lewst until a few more different teams go up and down. Having said that it is pretty close all through at the present.
rbullivant
30-01-2011, 07:27
Well the fA cup today and BD to play fringe players! To good draws for QPR and Norwich yesterday (from a forest perspective)
Mr Majestik
31-01-2011, 11:16
We'd be happy to let you have Bessone back!!
He's gone to Charlton. Result!
rbullivant
31-01-2011, 11:44
Well we lost the West Ham game but lost no players to injury, I suppose its ok but I personally don't think you can turn form on and off and hopefully we won't struggle against Coventry because of it
Also signed Konchesky from Liverpool on an emergency 3 month loan!
R
TimLeeds
03-02-2011, 10:52
He's gone to Charlton. Result!
Bessone to Charlton AND Collins to Sheff Utd. Pity we wasted money on them both in the summer but at least it shows that Grayson is learning from his mistakes and shipping out the deadwood.
Crowe off to Orient too. He had a few good games for us but was never going to make the step up to the Championship.
Niceguygeoff
04-02-2011, 20:56
Had a feeling that QPR would pull off a win against Reading tonight, even when down to 10 men. Warnock's team isn't cantering towards the title, but they're getting these crucial results when they matter most.
It was a bit of a battle at times tonight and the sending off was harsh but I don't think either team did enough to win but the one good chance QPR got they finished.
QPR seem to be Sky's favourite team to show of the moment as 1 week v Reading and this Sunday v Forest.
Can't see Forest getting anything more than a draw from there to be honest. The 6 league wins on a trot will not become 7.
If QPR win on Sunday then I think it will be the chase for 1 spot from 2 as QPR will have it all sewn up. I see playoff heartbreak on the horizon :cry:
rbullivant
08-02-2011, 13:53
When they came to Forest earlier in the year, they didn't look massively impressive. We could clinch it but at the same time we're hardly scoring for fun. Would be happy with a draw.
We also have Cardiff the following week (but with Scunthorpe in between) so this could be a good test for Forest promotion credentials.
If I had to pick when to play either team, I'd pick the next two weekends
R
horseflesh
19-02-2011, 16:29
Huge win for Forest today :thumbs:
Have to keep the nerve now for the last third of the season :help:
Bapapapa
20-02-2011, 13:47
Just saw the Football League show for the first time earlier - Jesus, the bird on it has a pair of thrups on her, doesn't she.. ?! Blimey! :eek::n0rty:
Just saw the Football League show for the first time earlier - Jesus, the bird on it has a pair of thrups on her, doesn't she.. ?! Blimey! :eek::n0rty:
Yeah well pregnancy does tend to have that effect on most women....
Just saw the Football League show for the first time earlier - Jesus, the bird on it has a pair of thrups on her, doesn't she.. ?! Blimey! :eek::n0rty:
She's a Palace fan too, Baps ;) Thought Ambrose's volley was more stunning tho :notworthy
Swansea on fire today, Leeds just did not know how to handle the pace out wide.
Looking like an excellent end to the season
pompeyfan
05-03-2011, 16:26
Even with the injuries we seem to have hit a run of form with today producing a post war club record of 6 straight wins without conceding, although more importantly we've now hit 50 points so hopefully relegation worries won't now be an issue.
Swansea on fire today, Leeds just did not know how to handle the pace out wide.
Thats not accurate our defence cannot handle pace through the middle, any
type of cross and just about most forward movement against them :lol:
Good day today though.
Niceguygeoff
06-03-2011, 01:31
Grrr...not happy at Scunny beating Swansea!
Palace seem totally and utterly incapable of picking up even a solitary point away from home. And we have to turn that round against more than one of QPR, Ipswich, Leicester, Doncaster or Hull, or the next away game might well be at Chesterfield. I don't see more than an outside chance at Doncaster from that list. I suspect we will be leaving this division downwards in the summer for the first time since the mid 1970's.
Niceguygeoff
06-03-2011, 09:01
I said it much earlier in the season that I'm resigned to Palace going down after the events of last year. I do believe that the players have it in them to stay up, but if we can't even pick up the odd point away from home we're doomed.
The Bear
10-03-2011, 11:22
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/mar/09/qpr-fa-charges-alejandro-faurlin1
Oh dear. Warnock stuck between a rock and a hard place. I bet he won't be baying for a points deduction this time!
TimLeeds
10-03-2011, 14:25
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/mar/09/qpr-fa-charges-alejandro-faurlin1
Oh dear. Warnock stuck between a rock and a hard place. I bet he won't be baying for a points deduction this time!
It is quite funny that "Colin" happens to be manager at QPR now this has come to light. As you say, he will probably keep quiet about point deductions now that it is his side that may have broken the rules.
It is interesting about the FA/Football League rulings though. Was the "Tevez" ruling only adopted by the Premier League? That article states that it was, because QPR "owned up" once the Football League adopted a similar rule last summer. Therefore how can they be punished for a rule that didn't exist? (That said Leeds' minus 15 point penalty was only introduced after the "offence" had been committed).
If I was a QPR fan I would be more worried about the unlicensed agents bit. As the article said, Luton were docked 10 points for that (and paying the agents from a different company). What was particularly galling for Luton was the fact that it was a member of their own staff that reported it to the FA/FL and the owners that committed the offences had since left the club (in administration!). With those circumstances in mind you might have expected some leniency but they certainly didn't get any.
From a selfish point of view it would make the top of the Championship more interesting if QPR did lose 10 points! That said, I still think they would win it anyway.
I think QPR if found guilty should have the book thrown at them, they had the chance in Oct10 to sort this out but then tried to hide if by putting in false documents.
And in the rules it does say 3pts for every game this player has played in with a min of 18 points. And that is just the player which is 1 out of the 7 charges they have been hit with.
A fine would not do it justice as that means everyone can get away with it. Also this is outside the PL which means the FA can do more damage as they scared of the PL.
But when do the FA deduct points these days, unless you are a non league club it doesn't happen. I would be surprised that if they are found guilty of these charges it is anything more than a fine and probably not a very big one.
Leeds got hit with 15 point deduction in 2008, which ment they lost out 2nd place in L1 and took 3 years to get out of it
Nice article about it here from a QPR fan.
http://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/queensparkrangers/fb_news.php?storyid=11710&title=this_week_%E2%80%93_hello_darkness_my_old_friend
The Bear
10-03-2011, 19:19
No doubt Bernie will chuck them a few million quid to make it go away.
rbullivant
11-03-2011, 05:49
Well off to see Forest play Doncaster tomorrow, we seem to be doing what we did last year and self destructing. Sadly we've managed to do it before we can safely count on a playoff spot. Hoping we'll come back strong tomorrow
I said it much earlier in the season that I'm resigned to Palace going down after the events of last year. I do believe that the players have it in them to stay up, but if we can't even pick up the odd point away from home we're doomed.
The last 3 seasons have taken their toll, it is exhausting...I can't remember the last time I went to a game after Xmas that wasn't a desperate 'must win' game. Our home form is keeping our heads above water, but the pressure is building and we need some away points to relieve it. Tuesday's result was fantastic, if we can sneak some away points, I think we can do it. I think with Dougie and the new owners, next season could be a different kettle of fish and we could build and aim for a strong mid-table finish with a squad not a million miles away from our current one...so I really hope we can cling on.
Regarding QPR, I can't see them getting a points deduction, but if it happened and it screwed up Colin, I'd have a quiet smile. This season, I think I'd like to see Swansea and Norwich go up with Reading sneaking a play off win...
Well off to see Forest play Doncaster tomorrow, we seem to be doing what we did last year and self destructing. Sadly we've managed to do it before we can safely count on a playoff spot. Hoping we'll come back strong tomorrow
Doomed match as it's Kids for a Quid. Never win the promotion matches :cry:
Niceguygeoff
15-03-2011, 19:32
Preston currently 2-0 up against Scunny. Doing us a massive favour if it stays that way.
EEEK! it's now 3-0. :D
Forest got spanked at Liberty Stadium good and proper.
Only been to all home games this season but Swansea were proabably the best team I have seen v Forest this season so far.
I know fans complain about Davies moaning about tiredness and no signings etc but it's for all to see in the past few weeks.
Next game is v Leeds away on the tv and I'm not sure I want to see us be humiliated on tv and then hours later found ourselves in 7th place as Reading and co are on a charge now similar to Blackpool last year. Not sure what happened to them after......
rbullivant
21-03-2011, 10:36
We did the exact same thing last year, looking like we'd be automatic promotees and instead just dipped in form, last year it was just the away form and our home form kept us in the playoffs, this year it is both and we've not got enough points in the bag to make the playoffs.
Hope we can turn it around and make a final decent push, but in all honesty I cannot see it happening
R
Well its shaping up to be a very exciting next few weeks
I think QPR have got a top 2 finish so leaves us (Swans), Cardiff, Norwich and Reading (in superb form) fighting it out for the other spot.
But don't agree with the FL giving the QPR outcome the day before the seasons finishes so they know what sort of punishment to hand out.
Anyway great game Saturday and to be fair was never a 3-0 but we take it.
I agree. If QPR get a points deduction, it is obvious that the FL will deduct them just enough points so that they will still get promoted which will have no real outcome in the league.
It is blatantly obvious what the football league are up to otherwise why wouldn't that hold this before May ?
i suppose to save them the aggro of another sheffield united westham fiasco whereby qpr will fight tooth and nail against the decision if it cost them promotion.
Possibly but that shouldn't really come into it, wherever QPR are in the league should not be an issue for the league to take into consideration.
rbullivant
11-04-2011, 18:36
Cannot see Forest making any sort of a comeback now, ah well another season.
Cannot see Forest making any sort of a comeback now, ah well another season.
No chance now as blown it by losing to Reading.
Burnley home tonight - must win or it's getting almost technically impossible
Norwich away Friday night - Forest fans know how well we do on the tv!
Leics home Good Friday - Another tv game see above.
Then followed by Bristol C away, Sunny home, C Palace away.
So apart from Bristol C all potentially have something to play for and Forest are just not equipped for the scrap. :(
rbullivant
12-04-2011, 09:38
Just don't see it happening for us at all, I suppose technically we could start another invincible run tonight, end it with six straight wins and march into the playoffs the form team and win the lot, however I can see us sinking to mid table.
Fortunately as a Forest supporter these last 20+ years I'm sort of used to it and I don't get down, as I never got up!
R
Well its shaping up to be a very exciting next few weeks
I think QPR have got a top 2 finish so leaves us (Swans), Cardiff, Norwich and Reading (in superb form) fighting it out for the other spot.
But don't agree with the FL giving the QPR outcome the day before the seasons finishes so they know what sort of punishment to hand out.
Anyway great game Saturday and to be fair was never a 3-0 but we take it.
Agree, even better if your a Cardiff City Fan Tonight :n0rty:
Niceguygeoff
12-04-2011, 20:58
Bloody hell! A point for Palace on the road!
pompeyfan
12-04-2011, 21:51
Poor result tonight and apparantly the sending off wasen't warranted, but no complaints about either penalty.
rbullivant
13-04-2011, 09:49
Well with one match Forest pull themselves back into playoff contention! Sadly we've got Norwich on Friday, but hopefully we've got ourselves a bit of belief that we can win games
Mr Majestik
13-04-2011, 09:57
And Leeds go from fighting for 2nd to being lucky to still being in the top 6.
Squeaky bum time.
At least there's no more Tuesday games left. (Think we've only won one midweek game all season!)
mr starface
13-04-2011, 10:13
The Swans are making hard work of clinching the 2nd automatic promotion place thats for sure.
The Bear
22-04-2011, 18:58
Decent game between Forest and Leicester earlier. I thought Forest just about deserved the win. Leicester didn't create much over the 90.
bigjonnyauk
22-04-2011, 19:57
Decent game between Forest and Leicester earlier. I thought Forest just about deserved the win. Leicester didn't create much over the 90.
and thats been our problem all season tbh i think sven has gor some of these loan signing waaaaaaaay wrong
bruma ok maybe from chelsea but his record still stands every game he has played we have lost defensivley he is poor cuz he goes up to much but wont track back quick enough.
every lcfc fan does not want him to play and also i think sven regrets it but the reason chelsea let us have him was on condition if fit he plays every game. big mistake
yakubu ---- carrying to many pounds and lost so much pace since his pompey days glad we wont be keeping him
kamara ----- one good game but now dissapears
van hanoolt ----- great going forward almost ashley cole like but like bruma struggles when having to defend and leaves huge gaps for the counter attack
vassell ------ 2 goals in 20 games says it all
will feel much better when we have a good keeper we played ricardo for 10 games and lost 8 of them
ive said this for the past 5 or 6 seasons to be good enough to go up you need a potent and scary front line one defenders will fear we have been well short of that since the days of hesky and cottee im afraid. what i mean by this is when they had the ball in the opponents third you expected a shot or goal or a chance , but with these lot nothing im afriad you expect the yak to fall over or lose the ball and vassell to do some jinking and twisting and give the ball away.
roll on next season hoping leeds win now as dont want scummy forest in the play offs lmao :lol:
The Bear
23-04-2011, 09:57
That's the problem with having so many loan players who ultimately in a pinch don't care about the club.
To be honest Vassell, Kamara and Yakubu should be tearing that division up, especially Kamara who despite being an ex Baggie I rate quite highly and Yakubu (when fit). Your midfield is decent enough for that division too. Andy King is someone I'd like Wolves to buy.
It's the defence that lets you down, especially in goal. People like Weale and Logan just aren't good enough. Not to mention Ikeme!! With your club and Sven's resources you should have better than what you have for sure.
How many goals have Norwich scored in the dying seconds now this season ?
Had to laugh at QPR fans coming onto the pitch thinking they had made it only for the last gasp Norwich goal to go in. They are crawling over the line somewhat.
Well if you took away all the pts we've gained from late goals this season then we'd be sitting in 15th
rbullivant
26-04-2011, 10:39
Should QPR really be celebrating anything before the outcome of their case decides if they will be deducted points?
Really exciting long weekend of football, well for Forest fans anyway. Two straight victories has seen us go from being described as "freefallers" to "promotion contenders" oncemore. Two final games - Scunthorpe at home and Crystal Palace away. Hopefully Scunny will just accept that they're down and not try so hard, hope they don't now play with the weight off their shoulders.
Preston relegated - no plenty of their fans so a little sorry for them, I suppose if you don't invest in the team then a downward spiral was always on the cards, especially with decent managers in the past overachieving (Davies/Irvine) which in many ways hid some of the problems. They'd been playing alright recently and picking up some points, so i'm sure they'll be disapointed to be down with two games to go.
R
Should QPR really be celebrating anything before the outcome of their case decides if they will be deducted points?
http://www.people.co.uk/sport/football/news/2011/04/24/fa-and-football-league-face-fixture-meltdown-102039-23082597/
The FL must be getting more and more worried as the points gap closes every week, the 3rd place team lawyers will be rubbing their hands if its just a slap on the wrist :lol:
mklion123
26-04-2011, 12:26
http://www.people.co.uk/sport/football/news/2011/04/24/fa-and-football-league-face-fixture-meltdown-102039-23082597/
The FL must be getting more and more worried as the points gap closes every week, the 3rd place team lawyers will be rubbing their hands if its just a slap on the wrist :lol:
I guarantee the points deduction is 1 point short of dropping them below Millwall!
rbullivant
26-04-2011, 13:46
I would have thought one point less than stopping them getting automatic? But potentially that is only 2 points.
It seems from that article that they could be creating a massive problem for themselves with their timing of the outcome.
mklion123
26-04-2011, 14:02
I would have thought one point less than stopping them getting automatic? But potentially that is only 2 points.
It seems from that article that they could be creating a massive problem for themselves with their timing of the outcome.
15 points could potentially drop them out of the playoffs!
rbullivant
26-04-2011, 17:22
They don't seem massively fussed though do they? All ready to celebrate their promotion
I'm guessing a bit of a fine, knocking them out of the playoffs suits me fine though
FA will bottle it and give them a points deduction that won't effect their position in the table. If I was on the FA panel making the decision, I'd be tempted to let them off to avoid Colin having a massive whine session
Or the FA will just fine them some pitiful amount if they are found guilty.
pompeyfan
26-04-2011, 22:52
What is the actual charge QPR face? If it's an ineligable player, then isn't the punishment losing all the points gained when they played? As to the punishment the FL have cost a team promotion before for wrong doing - remember Swindon?
I think the FA are hoping they can deduct enough points to demote them to second but they still get promoted. It would stop the argument that they hadn't been deprived of something (the title) but would minimise the chance of an appeal from QPR, as the decision could go the other way and they would miss promotion.
rbullivant
27-04-2011, 08:03
The problem is that QPR are fumbling their title charge, a loss for them at the weekend and wins for Norwich and Cardiff, really means there can be no points deduction they can give that won't affect the promotions.
I'm not sure the threat of an appeal should affect the punishment, surely a minimal fine would cause the third place team to take legal action? And as in the West Ham affair, at the very least cost QPR a fortune
R
The problem is that QPR are fumbling their title charge, a loss for them at the weekend and wins for Norwich and Cardiff, really means there can be no points deduction they can give that won't affect the promotions.
I'm not sure the threat of an appeal should affect the punishment, surely a minimal fine would cause the third place team to take legal action? And as in the West Ham affair, at the very least cost QPR a fortune
R
i hope that they win promotion by only a point or two because then point deduction would actually hurt them.
i agree that whatever the outcome, there will be a appeal from the team that doesn't get promotion because of it. I would not be surprised if it gets very messy as teams will fight tooth and nail the get to the premier league.
rbullivant
27-04-2011, 10:41
I don't know, I get that QPR can appeal a decision against them. However I'm not convinced another team can appeal a decision against QPR
interesting article:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3553711/The-FA-are-set-to-strip-QPR-of-promotion-to-the-Premier-League.html
However I'm not convinced another team can appeal a decision against QPR
They probably can't but can they not seek legal advice on getting any points back that they might have lost when he played ?
This could drag on to the start of next season and will mess the play-offs up if legal action of any sorts is taken, it could get very messy.
Some forums are talking about -18 points if found guilty to the letter of the law but lets face it no one has ever second guessed previous FA/FL punishments.
rbullivant
29-04-2011, 15:32
If they don't get a large penalty it'll make the whole rules about third party ownership seem pointless, we'll see. Best case for Forest is that it knocks them out of the playoffs
Niceguygeoff
29-04-2011, 15:57
Love it if Colin got ****** over this. New rules were created because he made such a song and dance about it before, and now QPR are likely to be the first club to fall foul of those same rules. Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony.
I can see a fine, if there's any points deduction it'll be one which makes no difference to the outcome of promotion. They've left it too late to do that without creating a real problem with the playoffs and in all honesty QPR have been the best team all season and deserve to go up.
The big action is on second place, Monday is massive and I hope Pompey don't play up :)
It`s pretty simple really....you deliberately break the rules you take the punishment. Leeds took a total of 25 points deduction for going bankrupt, 10 for the end of the season and 15 at the start of the new season. I have no sympathy for any punishment dealt out to clubs breaking rules...no sympathy was given to Leeds. Yes I am biased as a Leeds fan and I really hope we beat QPR on the last day of the season too.
but didn't that happen to leeds because you went into admin when you were effectively relegated.
So they took a point deduction next season as well?
but didn't that happen to leeds because you went into admin when you were effectively relegated.
So they took a point deduction next season as well?
Exactly my point. Leeds exploited a loophole and went into administration when they were all but relagetated so the FA punished them the season after so we didn`t get away with it. QPR should be dealt with the same way so they don`t get automatic promotion after deliberately breaking the rules. As someone already posted they gained 18 points with this illegal player so 18 points should be the punishment. If that means they miss out on promotion so be it. This senario has already been played out with West Ham so clarity in the rule breaking in this case is no defence.
Leeds didn't get extra punishment for exploiting a loophole, they got it for exiting admin without a CVA. The same thing happened to Luton.
rbullivant
01-05-2011, 08:54
Good win for Forest, now got 3 points and goal difference of 6 above Leeds, so if we get anything from the game at Palace or avoid a drubbing we'll take the last playoff places
Well this is all turning out great for Norwich, the only downer is that when we're on Sky we rarely do well
If Cardiff don't turn this around then you win and you are up.
rbullivant
02-05-2011, 18:35
I'd fancy Norwich to win one of their final two, they've been decent all season, think they'll do it tonight to be honest
Well my £10 double on Bin Laden being killed and Boro winning 3-0 at Cardiff
has made me a millionaire ;)
I got bigger odds on the Boro part of the bet.
If they don't do it tonight I can't seem them failing to beat Coventry at home on Saturday.
Niceguygeoff
02-05-2011, 19:10
The FL have reportedly advised the teams in play-off contention that the annual end-of-season lottery may be delayed if QPR lodge an appeal against the punishment meted out to them, i.e. it looks like the Hoops may be getting points taken off after all...
So why is the hearing being held so late anyway?
The Bear
02-05-2011, 19:45
Because the FA/FL are useless.
The FL have reportedly advised the teams in play-off contention that the annual end-of-season lottery may be delayed if QPR lodge an appeal against the punishment meted out to them, i.e. it looks like the Hoops may be getting points taken off after all...
But how can they delay it with the play-off final due to be played at the end of the month, it wouldn't be fair on the other teams.
Because the FA/FL are useless.
Oh yes.
pompeyfan
02-05-2011, 20:38
Congratulations to Norwich City, and good luck for next season.
Yeah well done to Norwich, two consecutive promotions is some going.
Yeah, well done to Norwich, great effort. Lambert has done superbly, I hope Norwich manage to hang onto him.
Niceguygeoff
02-05-2011, 20:42
But how can they delay it with the play-off final due to be played at the end of the month, it wouldn't be fair on the other teams.
The whole thing would be on hold while QPR's appeal gets heard, simple as that. Leaving the decision to such a late stage of the season appears to be utter buffoonery, but apparently it's being judged by an independent panel. Could be that the panel said 'we'll deliver a judgement by xx date' and the FL couldn't do a thing about it.
Oooh, I see Norwich are up. Well done etc etc, and Palace can take a tiny crumb of comfort in that the only away win registered this season was at Carrow Road. :lol:
Congratulations Norwich :thumbs: I am glad they did it rather than Cardiff although I will miss an away trip to Norwich next season :(
It's funny that Palace's only away win of the entire season was against one of the teams that got promoted :lol:
Gutted for Cardiff, Bunch of Bottlers. Time for a management change as Dave Jones is very poor tactician. When the team not performing he does not know how to change things.
Well done to Norwich:thumbs:
Because the FA/FL are useless.
Well yes, at least they are consistent I suppose.
So aren't some of these alleged offences (unlicensed agents) pretty similar to some of those that Luton were docked a lot of points for?
I don't have any wish for QPR to be deducted points. But will be interesting to see if the FL/FA will be consistent now that a club with expensive lawyers on standby is involved.
Gutted for Cardiff, Bunch of Bottlers.
Clutching at straws a bit but if QPR did get anymore than 10 points deducted then Cardiff would automatically go up pending any appeal of course.
Clutching at straws a bit but if QPR did get anymore than 10 points deducted then Cardiff would automatically go up pending any appeal of course.
Doubtful, think we will lose our last game against Burnley and Swansea will finish above us. The confidence is shot at the club in general now. Fans have lost confidence in David Jones completely.
Also If QPR get a deduction it will be enough so they are still in Automatic Promotion.
The Bear
02-05-2011, 21:25
Gutted for Cardiff, Bunch of Bottlers. Time for a management change as Dave Jones is very poor tactician. When the team not performing he does not know how to change things.
Well done to Norwich:thumbs:
Welcome to the World of Dave Jones!! I remember at Wolves he said "once you cross that white line formations don't matter". Sums him up really. Does he still lean against the dugout the entire game quiet as a mouse?
I can't believe it, what an amazing turnaround in two seasons. The 400k we had to pay to get Paul Lambert and Co will go down as the best piece of business we've ever done. This is the best moment of my Norwich City life, as we've done it with no real stars, no prem league loan players on £40k a week, just a great team spirit and hard graft attitude.
Niceguygeoff
02-05-2011, 21:36
Good luck next season, 'cause you're gonna need it. [/states obvious]
Please don't start by pinching James Vaughan off us though. :(
Good luck next season, 'cause you're gonna need it. [/states obvious]
Please don't start by pinching James Vaughan off us though. :(
I dunno, the Prem League outside the top 5 is not as strong as it was a few seasons back. Think we'll give it a good go, but regardless this has moved the club forward way ahead of the plan
Ole Ole, Ole Ole Going up up up :clap:
can't believe it. really can't believe it
Well done Norwich. OTBC!
Ooh, if Forest go up in the play offs, the Prem will have a real 80s/90s feel to it!
keeperbear
02-05-2011, 22:04
I can't believe it. It seems like yesterday when we lost 7-1 at home to a Paul Lambert managed Colchester Utd. We now have a great team, not a bunch of overpaid slackers.
Well done to everyone at Carrow Road.
Really please for Norwich, they are a 'nice' club. Remember getting all excited when they went on their travels into Europe about 20 years ago and Jeremy someone scored a peach of a goal.
Good luck to them next year. Still think they might go up as champions because the QPR thing is not over yet (even though it is a stain on the record of the FA that it has dragged on this long)
Jeremy Goss! That Europe run against Bayern Munich and Inter Milan. Can't recall - think they beat Bayern but then went out to Inter?
rbullivant
03-05-2011, 08:25
Really hope they get the book thrown at them, getting a bit tired of Neil Warnock. His latest interview about the situation on the BBC involves words like
"we are up there on merit"
Well so surely were West Ham, maybe he'll also agree that they should pay £20M in compensation to the teams who don't get promoted.
I'm guessing at a 6 point deduction is what they'll go for, they'll still get promoted and it'll avoid all the issues.
Then again I don't understand the likelihood of an appeal, I'm basing this on my knowledge of tax law but I was under the impression you had to appeal for a reason other than you don't like the decision or penalty.
What are the playoff teams supposed to do? Just keep training indefinitely until an appeal is heard? Play them in the pre season?
The thing that vexes me is how is this different than the Tevez situation? From what I have read its not so there is no reason to suggest that there will be anything over than a financial penalty which considering the bump that they are going to get due to promotion is water off a ducks back
Forest look like they have pretty much made the playoffs when only 3 weeks ago I was saying blown it big time!
So the dates of the playoffs are Thursday and Friday next week followed by the Monday and Tuesday the week after.
However the proviso has been put in that QPR will hear their fate on Friday potentially.
They will almost certainly appeal unless it's a fine or small point deduction which then throws the playoffs into disarray.
The final can not move however so it just means the semis get delayed and not much time for ticket sales/planning etc for as no one will know who they are due to play and when.
Complete mess!
Jeremy Goss! That Europe run against Bayern Munich and Inter Milan. Can't recall - think they beat Bayern but then went out to Inter?
Was chatting to my mate about it the other day, still the only English team to beat Bayern Munich at their own ground!!
At least when we went out to Inter we lost to the tournament winners!
The Bear
03-05-2011, 11:14
The playoffs will get moved back a week to accomodate an appeal. After that it will go to the courts and football will carry on in the meantime based on that appeal decision.
Palios seems to be saying the illegal payments charge alone could be ten points re a similar
charge re Luton.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/q/qpr/9473285.stm
Mr Majestik
03-05-2011, 12:18
I see the BBC are showing the Qpr V Leeds match this Saturday lunch time.
Leeds are 7th (and needing Forest to lose and to make up a 6 goal difference.) so if it's a big points docking it could be one Hell of a match.*
*Admittedly this is mainly wishful thinking from a Leeds fan.
BBC and their love affair with Leeds was going to pick that match if they were 11th and 12th. ;)
Crystal Palace v Forest is on Sky as the fight for 6th is the only thing left to decide pre QPR punishment etc.
rbullivant
03-05-2011, 13:43
The thing that vexes me is how is this different than the Tevez situation? From what I have read its not so there is no reason to suggest that there will be anything over than a financial penalty which considering the bump that they are going to get due to promotion is water off a ducks back
From what I have read it seems that what QPR have done is somewhat worse than West Ham
BBC and their love affair with Leeds was going to pick that match if they were 11th and 12th. ;)
Last season it was the Newcastle United channel.
Although the barcodes were doing better than Leeds at the time.
Mr Majestik
03-05-2011, 20:07
This will be the 3rd match this season hardly the Newcastle love in of last season.
rbullivant
03-05-2011, 20:19
This will be the 3rd match this season hardly the Newcastle love in of last season.
They;ve not shown that many matches, have they even shown every team?
Tony Barrat
04-05-2011, 09:36
From what I have read it seems that what QPR have done is somewhat worse than West Ham
seven breaches of FA rules, four relating to the corresponding bits of the governing body's rulebook on third-party ownership, two for false documentation and a final charge for using an unauthorised agent to broker the deal that brought Faurlin to west London in July 2009.
It is the precise details of that deal, and what QPR said at the time, that will be dissected by the four-man disciplinary panel this week. It will not be easy.
Faurlin's journey from promising playmaker in Cordoba to the conductor of Warnock's wonderful Rangers ensemble has been shrouded in mystery ever since Instituto admitted they did not have the $1m (£601,000) his owners, three Argentine agents, wanted for a permanent deal.
Two months later he was being announced as QPR's record signing in a deal "worth" £3.5m. A huge sum for a player from Argentina's second tier, especially when the "selling" club got nothing.
Faurlin's price tag would probably have gone unquestioned if the Football League was not forced to replicate the entire Premier League rulebook last summer in return for more of the top flight's TV cash. This belatedly brought the rules of the two leagues and the FA into line.
It was at this point QPR asked the Football League for permission to buy out Faurlin's Argentine owners and make an honest man of him, so to speak.
The Football League said "OK, but you'll have to run it by the FA", and the FA said "hold on, this isn't what you told us when we waived through the first deal".
Or maybe not and this is just an massive misunderstanding/minor paperwork error.
What we can say is that the FA eventually allowed QPR to "re-sign" the by-now crowd favourite and put him on a four-year contract. But it also started an investigation into the original transfer that has culminated in these charges.
We must also state clearly that QPR deny all "intentional wrongdoing" and have not followed West Ham's lead by pleading guilty to anything. They intend to fight.
The stage, therefore, is set for the Championship decider.
On the one side you have a determination to show the rules have teeth, guard against countersuits from promotion-chasing rivals and rectify the nagging feeling that maybe, just maybe, West Ham got away with it.
And on the other, you have a real fear of legal repercussions from QPR's billionaire owners, sympathy for players who have achieved something truly special and a nagging feeling that these sanctions hurt the fans most of all.
rbullivant
04-05-2011, 18:59
QPR have been warned they may get sued for £90M
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/04052011/58/championship-faurlin-affair-cost-qpr-90m.html
Faurlin was signed before the FL rules on third party ownership were brought into line with the PL and so it's hard to see how they can have broken those rules.
The agent they use wasn't unlicensed, he was registered with FIFA rather than the FA, so it's a less serious issue.
At no point has it been alleged that Faurlin is an ineligible player.
What they do appear to be guilty of, and what caught the attention of the FA, is bumping up for publicity purposes the fee they claim to have paid for him. The difference between what they submitted and what they said being considerable - although at the time it was couched in the usual caveat of being "up to" £3.5m. The Chairman is a bit of a knob apparently though so this doesn't surprise anyone.
Tony Barrat
05-05-2011, 12:33
I believe QPR will get 10 + points deduction for what they have done.
Tony Barrat
05-05-2011, 12:37
Faurlin was signed before the FL rules on third party ownership were brought into line with the PL and so it's hard to see how they can have broken those rules.
The agent they use wasn't unlicensed, he was registered with FIFA rather than the FA, so it's a less serious issue.
At no point has it been alleged that Faurlin is an ineligible player.
What they do appear to be guilty of, and what caught the attention of the FA, is bumping up for publicity purposes the fee they claim to have paid for him. The difference between what they submitted and what they said being considerable - although at the time it was couched in the usual caveat of being "up to" £3.5m. The Chairman is a bit of a knob apparently though so this doesn't surprise anyone.
The club has also been charged with allegedly using or seeking to pay an unauthorised agent as part of the Faurlin deal, while both the club and chairman Gianni Paladini have further been charged with allegedly submitting false information in documents provided to the FA relating to a contract extension signed by Faurlin in October.
"There is a lot of precedent around playing an ineligible player and that ranges from the clerical errors around the transfer window, when they get small points deductions, to more serious situations," said Palios.
"I think following the [Carlos] Tevez affair it is necessary for a statement to be made. This is more serious than a clerical error, so deserves a points deduction almost certainly.
"The second charge with regard to illegal payment to agents, I think there is a precedent when Luton got 10 points deducted for doing that.
"Interestingly, the FA said they tried and didn't say they actually did make the payments to unregistered agents."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/q/qpr/9473285.stm
Palios hasn't got a clue.
Verdict now likely to be delayed, possibly until next week. FL say play-offs go ahead as planned which surely couldn't happen if QPR were going to get a points deduction that would prevent their automatic promotion as they would be certain to appeal.
All a bit of a farce isn't it but then I don't care coz we're going up :)
rbullivant
05-05-2011, 19:35
It'd be quite good to have a trophy snatching back ceremony!
IS that part of QPR's plan? Send so much evidence to delay the decision as much as possible? Make sure they are crowned champions, make it wait so long that the playoffs are already taken place?
R
Or maybe they're not quite as bang to rights as the FA think they are?
FA with egg on face? Surely not.
Tony Barrat
05-05-2011, 20:36
All a bit of a farce isn't it but then I don't care coz we're going up :)
The Football Association has delayed its verdict in the case of QPR midfielder Alejandro Faurlin due to the quantity of evidence being considered.
The decision on the Argentine's ownership was originally due before 1600 BST on Friday.
But an FA statement read: "This will now not happen."
The Championship's league winners may be deducted points if they are found guilty on some or all of the seven charges against them.
Asked whether the verdict will be delivered on Monday, a QPR spokesman said: "that's an assumption to make."
However BBC Sport understands the tribunal could remain sitting through the weekend if required and that a decision could come at any time.
While the panel continues its deliberations, QPR intend for the Championship trophy's presentation to take place on Saturday when Rangers entertain Leeds.
In bold.
Then it could all backfire on QPR if that were to be true
Well the FL have delivered the trophy, medals and associated guff to QPR and the runner-up medals and associated guff to Norwich. Maybe they should have held back on that.
smeegheead
05-05-2011, 21:51
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/may/05/cardiff-city-qpr-third-party-ownership
Seems QPR might not be the only ones!
Tony Barrat
06-05-2011, 08:26
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/may/05/cardiff-city-qpr-third-party-ownership
Seems QPR might not be the only ones!
Cardiff cannot face same charges as QPR.
Welsh club are answerable only to League and FA of Wales not English FA.
Tony Barrat
06-05-2011, 09:40
Well the FL have delivered the trophy, medals and associated guff to QPR and the runner-up medals and associated guff to Norwich. Maybe they should have held back on that.
Seems pointless QPR celebrating as they may have to give the trophy back,best to wait until the enquiry is over then celebrate.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/may/05/cardiff-city-qpr-third-party-ownership
Seems QPR might not be the only ones!
If Cardiff go up, it'll be interesting to see if the FAW-Cardiff love in continues under the glare of the Prem media spotlight
rbullivant
06-05-2011, 12:04
Surely its in the best interests of FAW to have teams doing well and don't care if they play by the same rules. I imagine new rules will need to be created or have all Welsh teams kicked out of the football league, it cannot be right letting them play to different rules.
I think QPR are simply trying to make out they are the champions as much as possible, refuse to hand back the trophy, etc. Make Norwich receive it at some future date when the magic won't be the same.
R
smeegheead
06-05-2011, 12:44
Surely its in the best interests of FAW to have teams doing well and don't care if they play by the same rules. I imagine new rules will need to be created or have all Welsh teams kicked out of the football league, it cannot be right letting them play to different rules.
I think QPR are simply trying to make out they are the champions as much as possible, refuse to hand back the trophy, etc. Make Norwich receive it at some future date when the magic won't be the same.
R
Fair enough by me, Swansea have been trying to break away from the FAW for years!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/may/06/fa-faw-cardiff-swansea?INTCMP=SRCH
Looks like we may be getting our wish after all! I never bought into the bias thing (they have certainly not done us any favours!) I just think the FAW are incompetent even compared to the English FA lol
I also think your right about QPR, Leeds tried the same thing when we won League 1, it really spoiled the days we we're promoted/won the league. Sadly only 1500 Swans fans we're able to see the presentation of the trophy on the final day due to Brighton's ****** old stadia.
In our last home game though Orient tbf though gave a guard of honour despite the FA's ruling still in the air. Just glad we finished more than 15 points ahead of them, so they couldn't say they were the true champions just like declaring they won the European Cup, despite the result not being reversed after the ref was strung up.
Just been announced: No points deduction for QPR this season or next even though 2 of the charges were found to be proven.
So presumably now all the other teams who just miss out can now sue QPR :nuts:
What is the betting that the two charges they have been found guilty of are ones that don't carry any sort of points deduction, and why haven't the FA released full details ?
rbullivant
07-05-2011, 12:05
Not surprising really, apparently Cardiff are going to make a statement and hopefully sue them for everything they've got!
The love for QPR on the BBC was practically vomit inducing, like they've achieved some massive victory by not being deducted points. No mention really that they'd been found guilty of some offences, we still don't know what
R
The love for QPR in general from the press is rather confusing.
As a West Ham fan it's been rather interesting, we were strung up by absolutely everyone and QPR are almost celebrated.
Yet we broke 2 rules about documentation, not 3rd party ownership as the rule didn't exist (I won't start again, god knows I argued on here enough back then :D ). Then QPR break 7 rules, some linked to 3rd party ownership rules brought in after our whole affair and they seemed to be defended by most -- and as said the way the BBC acted was rather weird.
If Sheff United were allowed to do what they did to us before the rules were clarified as they are now, then Cardiff etc are going to have a rather strong case you'd imagine.
rbullivant
07-05-2011, 12:53
No idea what they've been found guilty of, they're obviously drawing it out, let people get used to them as champions.
BBC defending the result as the only thing they could do as QPR have played well this season. It just seems to me that any punishment should fit what they've done, rather than what is the easiest thing to do
R
The love for QPR in general from the press is rather confusing.
As a West Ham fan it's been rather interesting, we were strung up by absolutely everyone and QPR are almost celebrated.
Yet we broke 2 rules about documentation, not 3rd party ownership as the rule didn't exist (I won't start again, god knows I argued on here enough back then :D ). Then QPR break 7 rules, some linked to 3rd party ownership rules brought in after our whole affair and they seemed to be defended by most -- and as said the way the BBC acted was rather weird.
If Sheff United were allowed to do what they did to us before the rules were clarified as they are now, then Cardiff etc are going to have a rather strong case you'd imagine.
But they've been found guilty on 2 charges, so presumably cleared of 5.
But they've been found guilty on 2 charges, so presumably cleared of 5.
Which is part of the verdict - but that is where the problems begin :p
rbullivant
07-05-2011, 13:28
Well it makes no odds really, as I have said previously I don't think the third place team which is looking like Swansea are allowed to appeal the decision. All they could do is go via the courts route and sue I think
R
rbullivant
07-05-2011, 13:48
QPR should really make up their minds, either they won it on the pitch and had no case to answer (what their barrister told them apparently) or they've all spent the last few weeks really down and all crying in the dressing room.
But an excellent four wins out of four sends Forest into the playoffs to play Swansea on Thursday! Hopefully we've found our form at the right time and we can get to Wembley
R
Niceguygeoff
07-05-2011, 14:13
So QPR get let off then. Pfffft.
Was always going to happen, a top barrister v the pencil necks at the FA, I would have bet my house on a big fine and no points deducted (i.e. A very light slap on the wrist)
Tony Barrat
07-05-2011, 20:45
What an absolute FA/QPR sham.:(
Good luck in the PL............your'e gonna need a lot of it.
Didn't they get found guilty of one of the offences that Luton did, who got a 10 point deduction? Or are there shades of grey in the offence (I don't really know)??
welshmatt
08-05-2011, 10:11
I don't think they have announced which 2 of the offences they were guily of.
Tony Barrat
08-05-2011, 10:55
So QPR get let off then. Pfffft.
£875,000 fine and that's it,terrible.:(
They can pay that out of the PL money,spare change really.
rbullivant
08-05-2011, 12:32
Using an unauthorised agent and bringing the game into disrepute
R
The funniest thing about all of this is that FA couldn't even get the press release right!! its going to be friday......its not going to be friday.....its going to be monday....oh what the hell is saturday, lets let everybody know now via Football Focus :lol:
Totally Farcical. I'm not sure who should be more ashamed, QPR or the FA. After spending 8 months deciding this how the hell can you not meet the friday deadline?!? the evidence must have been collated weeks if not months ago :?: I REALLY hope a newspaper investigates the FA's role in this as its been a complete joke.
That said QPR have been the best team and deserve to go up. Just a shame the FA decided to make this a bigger issue than it turned out to be.
Has anyone seen a reason why QPR's breach of rule A1 (unlicensed agents) was met with a fine, whereas Luton's breach of A1 was met with a 10 point deduction.
I'm not a Luton fan, just interested in what the differences are in what looks like a typical case of FA double standards.
Luton's penalty was for making illegal payments and using unlicensed agents (plural). They were convicted of 17 charges in total.
It would be better to compare QPR being found guilty of using an unlicensed agent (unlicensed with the FA although he was FIFA licensed) with the case of Bristol City, who were fined £15,000 in 2009 with a third of that suspended.
Leeds were also fined £7,500 fine with a further suspended fine of £12,500 for using an unlicensed agent in the signing of Anthony Elding from Stockport County in January 2008.
mr starface
09-05-2011, 07:59
As a Welshman hoping for a Cardiff - Swansea play off final with obviously the Swans winning comfortably.
Joking aside I genuinely think they have played the most attractive footy in the championship this season and would love to see them have a go at the Prem (albeit for one season only maybe!).
The play offs should be good this year, hard to pick a winner from the 4.
I'd like to see either Swansea, Forest or Reading go up...so Cardiff will probably win! :lol:
Niceguygeoff
09-05-2011, 18:58
Reading have had their day in the sun, and I doubt Forest would last. Time for either of the leek-bashers to have a go.
rbullivant
09-05-2011, 19:05
Would love Forest to get to Wembley, I'm not holding out much hope. Because I couldn't make the Scunthorpe game, doubt i'll get a playoff ticket
R
The Bear
09-05-2011, 19:58
I want to see Forest up there again. Though I dislike Billy Davies.
The Bear
09-05-2011, 21:11
How to **** off your rivals!!
http://img37.imagefra.me/i559/haznick/57om_2a2_u939i.jpg
Preston North End boss Phil Brown said he wanted to “shoot down” a plane displaying gloating messages about his club’s relegation from the Championship.
More than 10,000 fans looked on as the light aircraft appeared over Deepdale stadium trailing a banner purportedly from rival Blackpool FC fans reading: “We are superior love Blackpool FC.”
Later in the match, the plane reappeared with another banner saying: “Poor little Preston enjoy League One.”
After the match, an angry Phil Brown fumed: “Seriously if I had a gun I would have shot the plane down. Arrest me now if you want. I found it very distasteful.”
One fan who witnessed the stunt said the light aircraft circled the stadium for a number of minutes before the match and returned around half time.
News of the stunt soon spread around internet message boards and supporters’ groups and fans which have labelled the move “childish”.
Fan Nick Henderson at the Withy Trees pub, in Lytham Road, Fulwood, which is popular with PNE fans, said: “A silly stunt like that won’t do relations between the fans any good - it will just stoke up the rivalry more than ever.”
Another fan, who witnessed the stunt on Saturday afternoon, said: “It’s outrageous.”
:D
P.S. Can we please jail Permatan Brown on terrorism charges after those comments?
rbullivant
10-05-2011, 08:47
That's actually pretty funny, lived in Preston for years and they spent a good many of those above Blackpool. I'd say they gave as good as they got, just not in such a clever and amusing way
R
rbullivant
10-05-2011, 20:36
Still 6000 Forest tickets available for the first leg, the club have done what they normally do and not anticipated demand well enough. They didn't expect any seats still available for general sale.
I must have lost the opportunity to watch 10 Forest games over the years due to this, they put daft stipulations on tickets about away members, season tickets, people who have done this or that and they get to a few days before the game and they've got loads of tickets left.
I now cannot make the game as I don't have time to get down to the ground in time to pick up my ticket and get into the ground.
R
Still 6000 Forest tickets available for the first leg, the club have done what they normally do and not anticipated demand well enough. They didn't expect any seats still available for general sale.
I must have lost the opportunity to watch 10 Forest games over the years due to this, they put daft stipulations on tickets about away members, season tickets, people who have done this or that and they get to a few days before the game and they've got loads of tickets left.
I now cannot make the game as I don't have time to get down to the ground in time to pick up my ticket and get into the ground.
R
I have to disagree as this is the most prepared and organised the club have been as they had online sales and were very prepared at the shop when I got mine on Sunday. Fair enough I am a season ticket holder but they had all 8 windows open and all set up for queues etc but only 5 people in when I went.
They had published the order they are going to sell tickets etc.
Only 500 left now they say so easily sell out before tomorrow which aint bad when you think they have only been selling since Sunday morning in different stages.
Please can you beat the Jacks comfortably at the City Ground please? :)
smeegheead
11-05-2011, 11:32
Please can you beat the Jacks comfortably at the City Ground please? :)
Same sentiments goes to Reading :P
I don't think either Swans or Cardiff fans can take what it mean to be in play off final against each other. It's not just the pressure but the logistical nightmare!
Tony Barrat
11-05-2011, 11:46
Swansea for me to go into the PL.:thumbs:
Some of the play off games are at Old Trafford so expect extra time there.:lol:
I feel sick...:gag:
9:45 can't come soon enough for me as the worry is doing my head in!
Come on the Jacks, very nervous about this game. I hoping for a draw a win for us i'll be doing cartwheels down the street
horseflesh
12-05-2011, 15:26
I feel sick...:gag:
9:45 can't come soon enough for me as the worry is doing my head in!
I just have a feeling that Forest will bottle the play-offs again :(
Although at least we've had a slight bit of momentum for the last couple of weeks and aren't totally in the doldrums.
If Forest don't make it up hopefully Reading will, I'd hate to see either of the other two go up.
rbullivant
12-05-2011, 15:53
last season we played a team in great form against us who limped into the playoffs in indifferent form. We're scoring goals, have strikers on fire and have been on a winning streak
I'm not even sure I can bare to watch it on television, radio for me i think
ABC. Anyone But Cardiff. Or Reading.
I lived in Swansea for a bit as a student, didn't go to any games or owt but picked up the dislike of Cardiff.
Well that's an interesting start!
Amazing start, it was the correct decision as that was a really poor attempt at a tackle.
You'd think it was Forest playing with 10 men the way the play is going. Will Swansea tire though?
rbullivant
12-05-2011, 19:49
No idea, as a Forest fan all my life and seeing many low points. I'm just happy to be still in the game at 0-0. Hard to sort out the formation mid game, so hopefully they'll sort something out at half time
R
Niceguygeoff
12-05-2011, 21:35
Amazing start, it was the correct decision as that was a really poor attempt at a tackle.
Pfft. The sneaky little look-see from the Forest lad said it all. A poor challenge yes, but a yellow and a stern talking to would've sufficed. Can you tell I'm still sore about Moxey getting sent off for Palace against this lot?
Well done to Swansea, terrific performance against the odds and they could've even snatched it. Dyer was superb.
mamboboy
13-05-2011, 00:14
I can't see Nott Forest winning at Swansea, what with the Swans home form this reason. And I can't call the Reading - Cardiff game at all tomorrow... it depends on which Cardiff team turn up!
Cardiff and Swansea in the final would be absolute chaos for the met police. Should be a cracking game though (assuming it happens).
Forest were awful when playing at the Liberty earlier in the year. However they still nearly sneeked a draw when it finished 3-2.
The team that played that day was injury ridden and knackered so the team that plays tonight has no excuses to why they will lose apart from Swansea being better.
The fact that they are appealing to the Welsh FA for that challenge must think they have a chance of getting it rescinded. Not that I am that bothered whether they get it or not but if he does get off with it I think that will just spur the Forest players on more.
Forest were awful when playing at the Liberty earlier in the year. However they still nearly sneeked a draw when it finished 3-2.
The team that played that day was injury ridden and knackered so the team that plays tonight has no excuses to why they will lose apart from Swansea being better.
The fact that they are appealing to the Welsh FA for that challenge must think they have a chance of getting it rescinded. Not that I am that bothered whether they get it or not but if he does get off with it I think that will just spur the Forest players on more.
Come on Forest! Pressure is on the Jacks. Hope you do well at the Liberty! :thumbs:
rbullivant
16-05-2011, 11:59
Come on Forest, not sure its right that another FA should be allowed to decide if the card is rescinded. Surely its in FAW best interests to have clubs playing at the highest level
horseflesh
16-05-2011, 12:26
Come on Forest, not sure its right that another FA should be allowed to decide if the card is rescinded. Surely its in FAW best interests to have clubs playing at the highest level
What a ******* joke, talk about wanting to have your cake and eat it.
The Bear
16-05-2011, 13:53
Cardiff did it as well with getting a Darren Purse red card rescinded.
They should have to sign up to the English FA to play in any English competition. If they don't like it then **** off and play in the League Of Wales against TNS and Rhyl.
horseflesh
16-05-2011, 14:17
Cardiff did it as well with getting a Darren Purse red card rescinded.
They should have to sign up to the English FA to play in any English competition. If they don't like it then **** off and play in the League Of Wales against TNS and Rhyl.
Of course they should, it's utterly ridiculous that they have the option to turn to the FAW.
Presumably both FAs are afraid of their lives that highlighting it could alert UEFA/FIFA looking at the point in having 4 associations.
Of course they should, it's utterly ridiculous that they have the option to turn to the FAW.
Presumably both FAs are afraid of their lives that highlighting it could alert UEFA/FIFA looking at the point in having 4 associations.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/may/06/fa-faw-cardiff-swansea
Both Cardiff and Swansea are going to come under the English FA next season, and Taylor has quite rightly lost his appeal.
horseflesh
16-05-2011, 15:45
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/may/06/fa-faw-cardiff-swansea
Both Cardiff and Swansea are going to come under the English FA next season, and Taylor has quite rightly lost his appeal.
Common sense prevails, after 100 years :nuts:
welshmatt
16-05-2011, 19:24
If you thought the FA were a bunch a clueless jokers, the FAW are on a higher plane of ineptitiude.
Back to the playoffs, 2 lovely goals put Swansea in control.
LouBarlow
16-05-2011, 19:28
Yeah the second was a cracker. Forest blew it after the first leg.
Fat Bloke
16-05-2011, 19:41
Forest don't do playoffs.
Love from the pub team in Somerset :)
Rant warning:
Really hope cardiff don't get promoted. I have no real problem with the club but the fact that they have had so many loan players really needs to be looked in (the rules i mean). Their team next year could easily be a lot weaker even if they are promoted.
mamboboy
16-05-2011, 20:37
What an end!
Niceguygeoff
16-05-2011, 20:40
Cracking finish, it's what the playoffs are all about. Sheer drama!
Forest were desperately unlucky, but sometimes it just ain't your night.
Great ending to the game, unless you are a Forest fan or a Met officer ******** it at the thought of a Cardiff v Swansea final!
Got to agree, very unlucky for Forest.
Very unlucky for Forest who had their chances and should have had a penalty but that ending was something, it wasn't the first time a Forest player had slipped in that part of the field but that was great finish for the third goal.
rbullivant
16-05-2011, 20:54
Tragically thats the best we've ever done in the playoffs. Really don't think we're a playoff team, we'll need automatic next season.
Rant warning:
Really hope cardiff don't get promoted. I have no real problem with the club but the fact that they have had so many loan players really needs to be looked in (the rules i mean). Their team next year could easily be a lot weaker even if they are promoted.
Like Blackpool who had none last year, weak argument.
Tragically thats the best we've ever done in the playoffs. Really don't think we're a playoff team, we'll need automatic next season.
Unlucky, Earnie should have started.
Now Cardiff need to win Tuesday to put those Jacks back in their place.
Earnie should have started.
Why didn't he start as it seems an odd decision after the way he played when he did get onto the pitch.
Why didn't he start as it seems an odd decision after the way he played when he did get onto the pitch.
Not sure, I guess the 1st Leg he wasn't on form.
smeegheead
17-05-2011, 00:27
If you thought the FA were a bunch a clueless jokers, the FAW are on a higher plane of ineptitiude.
Exactly!
Swansea have been trying to get out of the FAW for years, when you have 3 Cardiff City season ticket holders on the disciplinary board we hardly ever got the rub of the green.
Appealing the card was politically motivated, Cardiff got away with it with Darren Purse pre FA cup final and last time we were in the play offs Brentford appealed their keeper's red card at the Liberty just so the FA disc board couldn't sit in time and was allowed to play in the return leg. No surprises the FAW bring forward the day of the disciplinary hearing 1 day so we couldn't gain any advantage. Personally I think it was underhanded but given what our cousins down the road have had and what has happened to us in the past it was decision which had merit.
The game tonight however was a true play off "heart in mouth" affair, I feel for the Forest fans because that performance was one of the best we've seen from opposition this season, on another night it could have been theirs for the taking, just glad that it wasn't.:clap:
the_daddy
17-05-2011, 01:28
Great game, Forest were so unlucky, the technique and composure to pull off that last Swansea goal was pretty impressive.
Come on Cardiff..
rbullivant
17-05-2011, 07:29
Why didn't he start as it seems an odd decision after the way he played when he did get onto the pitch.
We have a large variety of striking options as we seem to sign nothing but, so I guess he thought he'd mix it up a bit
R
If you look at the pattern pretty much all season it was Earnshaw & Blackstock at home and then Blackstock on his own.
As the season progressed it stayed with pretty much the same formula that Earnshaw only ever really started games at home and on the bench away.
I think previously he's just not been as effective away when you look at his stats etc.
So potentially 2 penalties Forest should of had (definitely 1 right at the end) and hit the crossbar twice and the post once.
Sometimes things are not going to go your way and Billy can go on about the luck on your side and refs decisions etc.
Hopefully Reading will sort out Cheatdiff tonight and then not fussed which one wins at Wembley otherwise if it turns into an all Welsh final it has to be Swansea all the way
rbullivant
17-05-2011, 13:00
Davies says he's going nowhere and looking at personel for next season, hopefully he'll stay as I'd say we'd struggle to get a better manager from anywhere and chances are we'd end up with one of the usual ones we get.
I think personally we'll do really well next season, if we can keep the momentum going into next season. People forget that we had awful form for the first ten games of the season, had a good middle and then faltered towards the end. So for almost half the season we were in pretty poor form
R
Cracking game, and what a finish!
Just to point out we wanted to get out of the FAW for years, they dont like us.
Come on Reading!!!
:D
rbullivant
17-05-2011, 14:29
Its hard to judge, do the FAW want to stick it to the FA by giving the Welsh clubs an advantage or do they want to stick it to the clubs who do not play in a Welsh league.
Probably best all round for them to be under the FA
R
No just us, they love Cardiff ;)
the_daddy
17-05-2011, 17:18
I fancy 2-2 aet and the Blubirds to win on penalties.
2-0 Reading
Reading been quite poor to be fair
DeadYankee
17-05-2011, 20:08
Shocking performance from Cardiff against a very poor Reading side. It pains me to say it but Swansea are the only one of the three potential candidates who appear capable of playing premier league football.
mamboboy
17-05-2011, 20:51
Dave Jones has to go now. They can't blame anyone but him and his decisions for the demise during the final run-in - worst one being the bizarre decision to put McNaughton at full back for the crucial game against Middlesbrough. And there was no need to take off Jay Emmanuel-Thomas tonight (alright he was missing sitters, but he had to score eventually?). And then Chopra off for the even fatter Parkin? Please!
With Bellamy out tonight they had absolutely no pace, and even a poor Reading side dealt with them with ease.
I hope Swansea win at Wembley. Definitely the most exciting team to watch out of those in the Playoffs - I can't see them making any big signings though if they do make it... who the hell would want to live in Swansea!? :P
Well done to Reading.
I think the final will be a good game. Swansea prob favourites, but with McAnuff, Kebe (if fit for the final), Hunt and Long, Reading are quite potent.
smeegheead
17-05-2011, 23:33
I hope Swansea win at Wembley. Definitely the most exciting team to watch out of those in the Playoffs - I can't see them making any big signings though if they do make it... who the hell would want to live in Swansea!? :P
Must... not... bite....:lol:
the_daddy
18-05-2011, 01:24
Cardiff were timid in the extreme in both those legs, I think Swansea will beat Reading.
Gutted for Cardiff, Bunch of Bottlers. Time for a management change as Dave Jones is very poor tactician. When the team not performing he does not know how to change things.
Well done to Norwich:thumbs:
Just bump what i said earlier in the thread. Nothing has changed. New manager required, good riddance to that lazy idiot Jay bothroyd. Who ever gets him i feel sorry for. Kick out all the crap loan players baring bellamy but alas dont think we got a chance of seeing him back unless he is player manager.
Just bump what i said earlier in the thread. Nothing has changed. New manager required, good riddance to that lazy idiot Jay bothroyd. Who ever gets him i feel sorry for. Kick out all the crap loan players baring bellamy but alas dont think we got a chance of seeing him back unless he is player manager.
Totally agree with you :thumbs:
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