View Full Version : Jurassic Park III (R2) is cut!!!!
I've spoken with one on the net, who has both the R1-release and the R2-release og JP III, and he claims that R2 has been cutted, though DVD-Compare and BBFC claims it hasn't been cut.
Theese are the places where R2 is cut:
1. First meeting with a dinosaur, where a person gets eaten (where the airplane starts). The cut is a scene where you see the man gets eaten (lots of blood).
2. The scene where they are trapped in the airplane reck. The cut is once again a very bloody part where a man gets eaten.
3. The meeting with the raptors. The cut is where you see thee foot claw from the raptor stabs the lying mans foot.
I don't know if the above is true, but could anyone make a compare between R1 and R2 and tell for sure? Maybe Universal have made theese cuts before BBFC watched the movie.
gjkendall
27-02-2002, 10:10
Not really anything to do with your question....
I have not watched my R1 JP3 yet, but I certainly thought it was cut when I saw it at the cinema during it's UK release. Especially during the person gets eaten scenes! Seemed to be some very abrupt cuts to new scene.
Sounds like studio cuts to me. This is something that's becoming more common and is most annoying.
Davester
27-02-2002, 10:44
R1 - uncut, out earlier, cheaper. There is no excuse really.
The BBFC passed the film with no cuts so if it is cut it will definately be dwon to the studio.
I haven't seen the film yet so would have appreciated the use of the Spoiler tags.
Cheers
Originally posted by GregB
The BBFC passed the film with no cuts so if it is cut it will definately be dwon to the studio.
I haven't seen the film yet so would have appreciated the use of the Spoiler tags.
Cheers
You mean you didnt know there were dinosaur's the eat/kill people in it:eek:
:D ;)
Originally posted by GregB
I haven't seen the film yet so would have appreciated the use of the Spoiler tags.
I'm sorry GregB, I didn't think of that, but I have edited my post now for future visiters.
Isn't there someone who can contact Universal about this? Some of the major DVD sites in UK forexample ...???
Originally posted by Davester
R1 - uncut, out earlier, cheaper. There is no excuse really.
Yes I agree with Davester, enough said!:clap:
I got the R1 because of the better extras.
I was waiting for the R2, as Rewind said that it would be the same as the R1, but when the R2 was released and I found that the extras weren't as good as those on the R1, I went and got the R1.
I always get the R2 if it is as good (or better) than the R1 (but not ludicrously more expensive - e.g. Simpsons series 1), but in cases where the r1 is better, I always go for it over the R2.
Ok, let me clear this subject up: This is NOT a "R1 vs. R2 subject"! I really don't care if you rather would buy the R1-release.
1. I don't care about xtras, because I think movies speak for itself and all the xtras are usually boring.
2. I want the best posible version of the MOVIE! And in my opinion PAL is better because of the higher resolution!
3. If I can get subtitles in Danish I would prefer that!
4. Where I live it's impossible to get the R1-release cheaper than the R2-release of JP III.
5. I don't care if R1 was released before R2. Because both R1 and R2 is available now, so that really is the stupids thing to write in this thread!!!
Well the conclusion is, that R2 is the better version for me <u>if</u> R2 is uncut.
So let me sum up: I didn't ask if R1 was better than R2!!!!!
I asked if R2 was uncut. SO THIS THREAD IS NOT A DEBATE WHETHER R1 IS SUPPIROR TO R2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!"%!#¤%("¤#%"#Jesus Christ!!!!!!!!"##"#(/"()=#/(")#
Calm down mate, these sort of R1 vs R2 debates are pretty much inevitable (and I'd have though relevant to this thread). :)
I don't recall seeing anything in JPIII that I'd call "bloody" when I saw it at the cinema - it is if anything less violent than The Lost World.
So I'd very much doubt the R2 will be cut, but you never know with these things. For what it's worth the review at MichaelDVD (http://www.michaeldvd.com.au/Reviews/Reviews.asp?ReviewID=1135) report no cuts to the R4 (which is the same disk as the R2) - and they are usually good at reporting cuts.
Also this sort of thing usually gets noticed and reported pretty quickly, but this is the first I've heard of potential cuts to JPIII.
Originally posted by simpson
Ok, let me clear this subject up: This is NOT a "R1 vs. R2 subject"! I really don't care if you rather would buy the R1-release.
1. I don't care about xtras, because I think movies speak for itself and all the xtras are usually boring.
2. I want the best posible version of the MOVIE! And in my opinion PAL is better because of the higher resolution!
3. If I can get subtitles in Danish I would prefer that!
4. Where I live it's impossible to get the R1-release cheaper than the R2-release of JP III.
5. I don't care if R1 was released before R2. Because both R1 and R2 is available now, so that really is the stupids thing to write in this thread!!!
Well the conclusion is, that R2 is the better version for me <u>if</u> R2 is uncut.
So let me sum up: I didn't ask if R1 was better than R2!!!!!
I asked if R2 was uncut. SO THIS THREAD IS NOT A DEBATE WHETHER R1 IS SUPPIROR TO R2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!"%!#¤%("¤#%"#Jesus Christ!!!!!!!!"##"#(/"()=#/(")#
If you start mouthing off at people who post on your threads - you will end up banned pretty soon.
People often post replies to what people (other than the thread starter) post on a thread.
You CANNOT CONTROL what others post on your threads.
Accept it or leave. It's your choice. :mad:
Originally posted by simpson
1. I don't care about xtras, because I think movies speak for itself
yes it does, it's a pile, so who cares if it's cut or not?
also 'cutted' LOL :p :D
Okay you lot - let's keep it civil and not start SHOUTING at each other.
I would agree with simpson that the R1/R2 debate is less of an issue now that both discs are out. But this comparison was bound to happen so simpson will have to tolerate it. And please don't start on the NTSC/PAL thingy either :)
I was not aware of R2 being cut. However it is possible that the cinematic release was cut and/or the version submitted to the BBFC. Hence their website would state correctly it was uncut.
I would support the view the michaeldvd's site in Australia is an excellent resource on this issue and, with the R4 being the same as the R2, it is probably not cut.
But I could be wrong . . . .
Play nicely now or I'll throw my toys out of my pram :) :p
simpson I don't know who you've talked to but it ain't cut. The cuts that you talk about aren't even in the final cut, there's very little (if any) blood in those scenes you mention.
Originally posted by sampath
Calm down mate, these sort of R1 vs R2 debates are pretty much inevitable (and I'd have though relevant to this thread). :)
I'm not mad, so I don't have to calm down :)
I just thought that it was very stupid to start a debate which haven't got anything to do with the subject. Theese "R1 vs. R2 debates" are boring, because no one ever agrees.
In Scandinavia we have a version encoded R2 only, which has Scandinavian subtitles and English subtitles. Is this the same version as the UK-version? I know that the R4 version is encoded both R4 and R2 and only has English subtitles. But I'm just wondering if not for England, who was the English subtitles on the Scandinavian release meant for?
Can anyone with the R1-version tell if the "claw scene" mentioned in the first post, is on the R1-version? That way we maybe can tell if it's a false or right statement that R2 is cut.
Sorry for my agressive post, but I just thought that a post which said something like "R1 is the best - enough said!" was more destroying than helping this thread. Well, I seem to be the only one with that opinion, so you don't have to listen to my nonsense, guys :)
*UPDATE*
After reading all these posts in this thread again, I think all of you guys have right: R2 is most likely not cut! But it deffently would be cool to know for sure. Well, thanx for all the response!
Davester
27-02-2002, 18:36
Originally posted by simpson
Ok, let me clear this subject up: This is NOT a "R1 vs. R2 subject"! I really don't care if you rather would buy the R1-release.
1. I don't care about xtras, because I think movies speak for itself and all the xtras are usually boring.
2. I want the best posible version of the MOVIE! And in my opinion PAL is better because of the higher resolution!
3. If I can get subtitles in Danish I would prefer that!
4. Where I live it's impossible to get the R1-release cheaper than the R2-release of JP III.
5. I don't care if R1 was released before R2. Because both R1 and R2 is available now, so that really is the stupids thing to write in this thread!!!
Well the conclusion is, that R2 is the better version for me <u>if</u> R2 is uncut.
So let me sum up: I didn't ask if R1 was better than R2!!!!!
I asked if R2 was uncut. SO THIS THREAD IS NOT A DEBATE WHETHER R1 IS SUPPIROR TO R2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!"%!#¤%("¤#%"#Jesus Christ!!!!!!!!"##"#(/"()=#/(")# Sheesh. Just trying to help you - you are a new member and it often helps to point out some of the things about dvds I didn't until I found teh forums
Originally posted by Davester
Sheesh. Just trying to help you - you are a new member and it often helps to point out some of the things about dvds I didn't until I found teh forums
I have appoligised (how ever you'd spell that word) in the post above yours.
Gone for R4 myself, cheaper than R2 and hopefully not cut. Where can I tell for sure?
There is only one way to resolve this matter! Someone will have to buy the R1 and tell us if these cut scenes are included :)
Dear Mr Echo
28-02-2002, 10:04
Well I have the R1 (and just looked at these scenes again to make sure) and neither of these scenes are particularly graphic and I don't recall it being any different at the cinema.
as for...
3. The meeting with the raptors. The cut is where you see thee foot claw from the raptor stabs the lying mans foot.
I don't remember this at all though the raptor does put one foot (rather painfully) on his back after he first caught ... which is where the confusion could lie.
To be honest I think this is just another Reservoir Dogs "Ear"/Ray Liotta's "Brain".
Andrew
Originally posted by Dear Mr Echo
To be honest I think this is just another Reservoir Dogs "Ear"/Ray Liotta's "Brain".
Andrew
Huh? Sorry im a bit behind :nuts:
from hannibal.
as for R1 v R2, isn't it better to go for the version it was originally made for? to make it into PAL they have to mess around with the frame rate and stuff dont they? bad example of that (not dvd btw) was the buffy musical ep on sky1. sped up like crazy.
when in doubt dont buy R2.
Originally posted by Kronik
Huh? Sorry im a bit behind :nuts: In Reservoir Dogs, everybody siad that the 'ear' sence was one of the most graphical and violent (sp) bits in the movie. Never mind the fact that the camera actually moves away at the last moment and you actually see nothing! People's minds are more powerful, they only imagine what happened and of course can only be more graphical then the BBFC could ever let pass!
Dear Mr Echo
28-02-2002, 16:42
Originally posted by Roberto
In Reservoir Dogs, everybody siad that the 'ear' sence was one of the most graphical and violent (sp) bits in the movie. Never mind the fact that the camera actually moves away at the last moment and you actually see nothing! People's minds are more powerful, they only imagine what happened and of course can only be more graphical then the BBFC could ever let pass!
Yes - sorry if I was being a bit obscure. Many people swear blind that they saw 'the ear cut off' in Reservoir Dogs and like wise there was a lot of discussion about just how much detail there was in the Ray Liotta sequence near the end of Hannibal. Like Roberto says some intense moments (or just a plain bad memory) can leave your imagination to fill in the blanks and lead you to believe you have witnessed something much more graphic or differently to what is actually in the film.
This is the thing with the internet and forums just like this one, all it takes is one person to say something like this and off we go in a global game of chinese whispers. Just look... you 'spoke' to someone on the web from god knows where who claimed one thing, you passed his claim on to these forums from (I assume) Denmark, little knowing that it would cause some fat bloke in northern England to scrabble around his DVD collection to check it out. God bless the internet.:D
Is this all settled now?;)
Originally posted by Dear Mr Echo
Just look... you 'spoke' to someone on the web from god knows where who claimed one thing, you passed his claim on to these forums from (I assume) Denmark, little knowing that it would cause some fat bloke in northern England to scrabble around his DVD collection to check it out. God bless the internet.:D
Is this all settled now?;)
He he your're so right!
Anyway, sorry for all the mess that I have caused, but I couldn't think of any places else to post this, if I wanted quality answers (which I have got).
Rumours spread like diseases over the net, but I'm glad we found a cure for this one :)
so what have we established? Is it cut or not? Also, can some nice person tell me what the difference is in terms of extras between r1 and r2?
"Jurassic Park III" (R2 & R4) is NOT cut!
Differences between R1 and R2:
R1 has these xtras which R2 hasn't:
- production notes (28 pages)
- cast and crew (13 bios)
- booklet showing comparative sizes of the dinosaurs
R2/R4 has theese xtras which R1 hasn't:
- trailers for ET and the Back to the Future trilogy
- subtitles for the commentary and the xtras
So it's not major differences between the two. Personally I have chosen to buy the R2-version, because of PAL's higher resolution. Many would go for the R1 as it has the correct speed for the audio, though it suffers from 3:2 Pulldown and lower resolution. In an action/adventure movie like JP III I doubt many will notice any kind of 4% PAL speed-up, though.
nicklock
28-02-2002, 20:33
Region's 1-4 and the cinema release all have about 40 minutes missing... don't you remember that feeling you had when the credits rolled, when you thought "Did I go to sleep for a bit there?":nuts:
And what about those insanely large guns that don't get much use... most disappointing!
According to Rewind the R1 has the following that the R2 doesn't:
MAIN
====
The Jurassic Park III archives
Production notes
Cast and filmmakers biographies
Film recommendations
DVD newsletter
Jurassic Park institute
Jurassic Park special offers
DVD-ROM features
==============
Jurassic Park III: Dino defender demo
Danger zone! demo
Film stills
Wallpaper
Production notes
Plot synopsis
Cast and crew information
Dinosaur information
Trivia game
And the R2 has the following that the R1 doesn't:
MAIN
====
Photo gallery
DVD-ROM features
=============
Screen saver
Browser
Theatrical website
Maybe the film stills in the R1 are the same as the photo gallery in the R2. Rewind doesn't say.
From personal experience, the R1 also has the following that the R2 doesn't:
Booklet/insert
Offer for a free DVD
Offer for an extra Jurassic Park (unseen extras) disc and Trilogy boxset case that will take the 3 JP film cases and the extra disc.
I have the R2-version, and I can deffently say that R2 has ALL the DVD-rom features that R1 has. So this meens that R2 indeed contains the follwering:
Jurassic Park III: Dino defender demo
Danger zone! demo
Film stills
Wallpaper
Production notes
Plot synopsis
Cast and crew information
Dinosaur information
Trivia game
Originally posted by simpson
I have the R2-version, and I can deffently say that R2 has ALL the DVD-rom features that R1 has. So this meens that R2 indeed contains the follwering:
Jurassic Park III: Dino defender demo
Danger zone! demo
Film stills
Wallpaper
Production notes
Plot synopsis
Cast and crew information
Dinosaur information
Trivia game
You should email Rewind so that they update their comparison review.
Originally posted by 8-]
You should email Rewind so that they update their comparison review.
Done :)
Originally posted by simpson
Done :)
Nice one. :)
For the large number of people who use Rewind as a part of their DVD choosing process, there is nothing worse than an inaccurate comparison.
Roy Batty
04-03-2002, 02:04
Not to add more confusion or to restart that old NTSC vs. PAL debate, but judging from my experience with the R2 spanish edition of the two previous movies, the R2 image quality is quite below that on R1, with some noticeable halos (not from edge enhancement).
The reason? I'm not that "techie" myself, but my best guess is that R2 was not authored from a PAL master, but rather converted from a NTSC master.
So, if R2 releases of JP and JP:TLW are any indication, I would go for R1, despite the presumed superiority of PAL over NTSC.
(on the other hand, R2 menus for both JP and JP:TLW offer a gorgeous animation of velociraptors, instead of the "footprint" menus on R1; I guess you can't have it all...)
:rolleyes:
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