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chumhill
25-02-2002, 10:43
Whats all this about the ringos thread being removed thats a top quality site which i think a lot of people use on this site, what a shame you guys have removed it. Was ringos advertising dodgy gear on this forum? is that the reason for removing them what a discrace PUT THEM BACK ON! HAVE A HEART
read the sticky at the top of the page
Sticky doesnt really tell us much - it will all come out in the wash, I just hope that it can be backed up otherwise some are gonna look dumb
Methinks a childish competitor aint too happy about the fact that Ringos got some Once Upon a Time In America's in and is claiming they are bootlegs.
:rolleyes:
From what I've been able to find out from the various threads (as a previous Ringos customer) they were found/accused to be selling pirate copies of Monsters Inc at Bowlers, as well as some one mentioned having been offered pirate discs by email.
Obviously a respectable forum like this can't be sponsored by pirates (so Ringos have gone over to the digital forums).
Big thread in the general forum about it though.
(Once Upon a Time In America's - LOL, so far off base)
evilashchris
25-02-2002, 11:43
This is a great shame, to my knowledge ringos have never sold or attempted to sell bootlegs THROUGH THE FORUMS, i have only used them a couple of times, and they were fast and efficent, i believe a more measured response shouyld have been used, maybe a warning or something? It is definately unfair to be punishing them for something they may have been doing outside of these forums.
(Once Upon a Time In America's - LOL, so far off base)
yeah well if no info is posted about the situation all people like me can do is guess
A rival company has been mounting a childish campaign against them I know that.
Originally posted by Apex
(so Ringos have gone over to the digital forums).
URL ?
Dave
WildWayz
25-02-2002, 12:13
Originally posted by andyp2
(Once Upon a Time In America's - LOL, so far off base)
yeah well if no info is posted about the situation all people like me can do is guess
A rival company has been mounting a childish campaign against them I know that.
Hardly call it childish or a campaign. There's 2 reasons why these two companies were at loggerheads...
1. ring0s owe them a lot of money, and are not replying to emails/phone calls etc, but they are happy to send the paperwork to forum members, just not to ********* - but that isn't forum related and isn't why ring0s lost their forum status.
2. ring0s selling pirate DVDs to 'select' people as well as allegedly at Bowlers to people who thought they were getting a R1 DVD and were not told it was a pirate disc (Monsters Inc).
From what I gather from the various threads, ring0s were told (along with all other sponsers) that their new T&C were up and everyone has to cease doing anything dodgy and agree to them. Then last week, obviously something happened that ColinP acted on. Yep - another email ring0s sent out to the 'select' people offering their pirates (dated 19th Feb 2002 20:10:30)
At the end of the day, ********* never got them thrown off the forums - they don't even have any say in forum matters.
--James
With all due respect to chumhill and others if the owners of The DVD Forums want to no longer accept a company as a site sponsor then that is their decision.
The amendment to the terms and conditions was quite specific and clearly they have reason to believe that Ringo's were in breach of these terms and conditions.
There's nothing to stop you using Ringo's as you can still visit their site. I for one have never been offered any 'pirate' material by Stu and have found their service to be excellent. Having said that if they do indeed sell 'pirate' discs then it would be somewhat hypocritical given their stance during the Star DVDs situation last year.
The bottom line is that it's up to The DVD Forums who sponsor this site, it's up to Ringo's and ********* how they conduct business and it's up to you as a consumer to choose which company gets your money.
Completely agree with everything JCL has said above. It's upto the forums who sponsors thedvdforums and it's not for members to speculate on what has transpired. I for one will still use Ring0s until I see concrete evidence that they have pedalled pirates. If I do then I will cease buying any more discs from them. Although in saying all that I would like a firm concrete answer, do Ring0s sell pirates? Yes or No!
And I see the usual suspects can't wait to put the boot in as usual. Like vultures over a rotting carcass:rolleyes:
Cheers WildWayz I didnt know it was ********* who were playing up
ta ;)
WildWayz
25-02-2002, 12:44
Hardly call myself a vulture - but people are making out ring0s to be innocent
PUT THEM BACK ON! HAVE A HEART
It's not a case of having a heart, it is a case of they were warned and still continued.
I have never said that all ring0s discs are pirated - I have even used them in the past and had a good service - but as a forum sponser, they shouldn't do anything that is illegal - whether on the side or fully fledged.
So those who still want to buy DVDs off them, you have their URL of their site - so go use them.
Fact of the matter is, they violated T&C and were removed from the forums. Don't think there will ever be an official announcement on the exact details as to why it happened.
--James
WildWayz
25-02-2002, 12:45
Originally posted by andyp2
Cheers WildWayz I didnt know it was ********* who were playing up
ta ;)
doh - this is what happens when I am trying to type when on the phone and doing some PDF to HTML conversions all at once :)
Craaaaaaaaaazy ;)
--James
AndyWilson
25-02-2002, 12:57
The thing I find hypocritical is that all the threads blatantly advocating software piracy on the Computers and Consoles forum are NEVER closed!
Originally posted by AndyWilson
The thing I find hypocritical is that all the threads blatantly advocating software piracy on the Computers and Consoles forum are NEVER closed!
Because they ain't site sponsors helps
Jimmyboy
25-02-2002, 13:38
Yet another thread !.:rolleyes:
Geezzz, posts like this dont help anyone.
Leave it up to the mods to decide who and who can't sponser the forums.
Well as according to my above post I will not be using Ring0s again unfortunately if the evidence I have just received is true.
Very unfortunate as I had nothing but respect for Stu, Angie and their brilliant business. Not any more though:(
I would like to be emailed some evidence - andyp2@safe-mail.net
When I went to Bowlers recently they were selling Vanilla Sky and Harry Potter.
I hope the police have been involved
Doing something illegal? Hang on a minute, is it not illegal to sell region 1 discs from within the u.k.? If so it is a bit bloody rich Wildwayz you going on about pirates as mt hold discs within the u.k., I have always had great service from Ringo's and let's find out where all this spamming came from because it it is proved that anyone with a connection to a company is involved that is highly illegal. I do really get annoyed with this Ringo's have never tried to mislead me or anyone I know, many people on this forum's buy silvers, there have been many threads about this in the past, personally I would rather wait for the real thing. I would rather deal with ringo's anyday than have to wait 4 months after being charged for a disc to recieve it, eh mt.
WildWayz
25-02-2002, 15:00
Originally posted by richkev
Doing something illegal? Hang on a minute, is it not illegal to sell region 1 discs from within the u.k.? If so it is a bit bloody rich Wildwayz you going on about pirates as mt hold discs within the u.k., I have always had great service from Ringo's and let's find out where all this spamming came from because it it is proved that anyone with a connection to a company is involved that is highly illegal. I do really get annoyed with this Ringo's have never tried to mislead me or anyone I know, many people on this forum's buy silvers, there have been many threads about this in the past, personally I would rather wait for the real thing. I would rather deal with ringo's anyday than have to wait 4 months after being charged for a disc to recieve it, eh mt.
WOW - who rattled your cage?
It is NOT illegal to sell R1 discs from the UK just so long as they are stocked and shipped from the US/outside the UK. You do so by being a "Personal Importer" for a client. No stocks are allowed to be held on the premises or in the UK at all. Hence why MT sends them from the US via airmail which then Royal Mail picks up at the airport and puts them in the sorting office for stamping/sending out. They then bill MT for the postage.
Hence why Play stock their R1's in Belgium.
********* ship from Phily/LA.
Ring0s actually stock them IN the UK which IS illegal (hence why they can offer next day delivery) - not to mention them selling R1 DVDs at Bowlers - again illegal.
So before you spout anal garbage, have a look at what is reality.
--James
I apologise if I got it wrong about how mt do business, however until mt had a problem with ringo's nobody seem to be bothered about what they did. You actually stated that they were passing off monsters inc as region 1's which is an absolute load of garbage so I suggest you get your facts right aswell.
Jimi_Hendrix2001
25-02-2002, 15:13
Ringos is a great company, i've had nothing but good service off them since i started using them and i plan to keep on using them.
so what if they were selling some bootleg dvd's like is being said here......ur not telling me that any of you have never EVER bought a pirate video or something! who cares! they provide a great service sourcing Region 1 dvd's.
daz_75 - hope the police have been involved? what? jeez thats a bit harsh ain't it, u never ordered from ringos before???
anyways, **** it, its all getting really daft and out of hand.
I'm sure Ringos won't lose too much business from people on here and if its true they have gone to the Digital Forums then they'll get some extra business from there anyways.
I for one will be continuing to use them like i'm sure many other people on here will.
and i agree, it is all a bit childish now.
Originally posted by richkev
You actually stated that they were passing off monsters inc as region 1's which is an absolute load of garbage so I suggest you get your facts right aswell.
Yeah I think it was Region 3 actually :p
Dave
Originally posted by Jimi_Hendrix2001
Ringos is a great company, i've had nothing but good service off them since i started using them and i plan to keep on using them.
so what if they were selling some bootleg dvd's like is being said here......ur not telling me that any of you have never EVER bought a pirate video or something! who cares! they provide a great service sourcing Region 1 dvd's.
daz_75 - hope the police have been involved? what? jeez thats a bit harsh ain't it, u never ordered from ringos before???
anyways, **** it, its all getting really daft and out of hand.
I'm sure Ringos won't lose too much business from people on here and if its true they have gone to the Digital Forums then they'll get some extra business from there anyways.
I for one will be continuing to use them like i'm sure many other people on here will.
and i agree, it is all a bit childish now.
So you think selling illegal copies is OK then :rolleyes:
Jimi_Hendrix2001
25-02-2002, 15:18
Originally posted by Dave B
Yeah I think it was Region 3 actually :p
Dave
wish it was so i could get it cheap from DDD House!!! :D :nuts:
WildWayz
25-02-2002, 15:19
Originally posted by Dave B
Yeah I think it was Region 3 actually :p
Dave
LOL hush you :D
--James
Jimi_Hendrix2001
25-02-2002, 15:21
Originally posted by daz_75
So you think selling illegal copies is OK then :rolleyes:
as sponsor of the dvd forums, i admit it was a bit of a mistake to offer them, but at Bowlers, there is loads of illegal ****** knocking about.
as i said daz_75, everyone must have bought an illegal video or something sometime in their life. pirate vhs copies were all over bowlers a few years ago before dvd.
Hell, u should see some of the MINT copies from Thailand!!!!
Originally posted by Jimi_Hendrix2001
as sponsor of the dvd forums, i admit it was a bit of a mistake to offer them, but at Bowlers, there is loads of illegal ****** knocking about.
as i said daz_75, everyone must have bought an illegal video or something sometime in their life. pirate vhs copies were all over bowlers a few years ago before dvd.
Hell, u should see some of the MINT copies from Thailand!!!!
Can't say that i have, i've watched a couple though. The quality is usually useless so i don't bother.
That's why Bowler's gets raided by the Police, not sure "mistake" is the right word.
Anyway, not to worry, i just won't use em.
Originally posted by Jimi_Hendrix2001
.....ur not telling me that any of you have never EVER bought a pirate video or something!
Actually I've never bought a pirate video or DVD.
Sorry Jimi_Hendrix2001 but have to disagree with everything you said apart from Ring0s giving good service. If Ring0s are selling silvers (and the evidence points strongly to do much to my dismay) then they will not have any of my custom any more no matter how good they are. The plain fact is they have broken a law which they wholly stood by when the StarDVD fiasco started which is very hypocritical and damaged any kind of faith I had in the company. Dealing in pirates is one thing, taking a stance against pirates and then selling them behind the scenes is just insulting to be frank.
And for your information I have never bought a pirate and don't intend to.
An apology to Craig and James, having a bad day guy's. I will still use Ringo's and MT because to be fair to Craig when I did get a problem he sorted it out personally with the help of James, prob is I have a bit of split loyalty ere because I like both companies and not being able to see evidence on either side is very frustrating, I don't like pirates as have been caught out myself once, (not by Ringo's). :nuts:
That being said we all want good service and not having a contact here is annoying, both will be missed.
jonathan.e
25-02-2002, 15:48
To all those who seem unconcerned that certain dealers are selling pirate discs let me ask how you’d feel if that same dealer were raided, all their stock confiscated (re-selling R1s within this country is also illegal) and the fines imposed were heavy enough to drive that dealer out of business? End result: no-one gets their product, R1 or bootleg, and no refunds are issued because the dealer is broke.
I too have never bought a pirate DVD and the thought of buying a VHS legit or otherwise turns my stomach.
Originally posted by jonathan.e
To all those who seem unconcerned that certain dealers are selling pirate discs let me ask how you’d feel if that same dealer were raided, all their stock confiscated (re-selling R1s within this country is also illegal) and the fines imposed were heavy enough to drive that dealer out of business? End result: no-one gets their product, R1 or bootleg, and no refunds are issued because the dealer is broke.
I too have never bought a pirate DVD and the thought of buying a VHS legit or otherwise turns my stomach.
Glad to see some people in this thread are talking sense. Selling these copies should not be tolerated. If they have been, i say good ridance
Stu Ward
25-02-2002, 15:57
I'm more concerned with the fact that Ringo's have not replied to this thread. (Unless ofcourse they have been banned?)
If they wanted to claim their innocence i would have thought they would have been all over this thread like a rash.
Stu
Jonathen-e, never thought of that mate, your right that is scarry. :eek:
Originally posted by Stu Ward
I'm more concerned with the fact that Ringo's have not replied to this thread. (Unless ofcourse they have been banned?)
If they wanted to claim their innocence i would have thought they would have been all over this thread like a rash.
Stu
This is it. We have two posts that have been kindly left open but not a whisper from Ring0s about anything.
Maybe they have been banned:confused: but either way it'd still be good to here some answers/explanations.
Despite sponsoring the digital-forums.com i couldn't see any threads about Ring0s there other than their banner. It's like they've just disappeared.
Or how about some sort of explanation on their website if they can't post here. I see it hasn't been updated since last week.
EDIT - In response to the post below I received an email from Craig stating that ********* do not hold R1 stock in the UK.
In response to a post above I would like to point out that both ********* and Ringo's adopt more or less the same business model when it comes to 'personal importation' of foreign DVDs.
They are both based in the UK and their 'offices' are individuals they find in the US and now elsewhere who will visit the equivalent of a cash and carry (OneStop I believe), buy a bulk load of discs and then DHL them to the UK.
They both hold stock of discs in this country but to my mind this a good thing for the consumer as it enables us to purchase a legitimate copy of a film long before it would be available in the UK without having to risk customs charges or waiting a week or so for delivery from the US.
The difference between the two is that Ringo's have never really made any attempt to hide this fact.
EDIT - As for Stu's failure to reply. I received an email from him in which he stated that he was unable to post on this site at present.
Jimmyboy
25-02-2002, 16:28
Why is this even continuing ?.
Ringos were selling pirate goods & they have been delt with by the forums, end of story !.
Moaning about it one way or the other wont change anything so cant it just be left alone now ?.
Originally posted by JCL
EDIT - As for Stu's failure to reply. I received an email from him in which he stated that he was unable to post on this site at present.
I'd just like to make clear that Stu hasn't been banned and is free to post as a non-sponsor under the same rules as everyone else. There may be other reasons preventing him from posting - I don't know the full situation so cannot comment.
Also, I'd like to say that until we had evidence that said otherwise we believed that Ringos has not been supplying bootlegs. If we couldn't back up our decision to drop them as a sponsor with evidence if needs be, they'd still be here on the site.
Jimi_Hendrix2001
25-02-2002, 16:50
word to your mother :D
damn beardo's!!! lol
anyway, lets just forget this stuff and stop moaning about it.
i'm sure we can all make our minds up where to order from.
WildWayz
25-02-2002, 17:12
Agreed - as far as I am concerned, it has been dealt with in the manner laid out in the T&C.
--James
Roughneck
25-02-2002, 17:24
decided to email instead...
Originally posted by WildWayz
Agreed - as far as I am concerned, it has been dealt with in the manner laid out in the T&C.
--James
James
I know that you may only be putting your point of view over and not **** stirring, but I do believe that maybe you should take a back seat in any comments about Ring0s.
Like it or not, you are seen by many here as the enemy to all things Ring0s and it may be prudent for you to bite you lip on these threads.
Just some friendly advice.
WildWayz
25-02-2002, 17:37
Originally posted by Ono
James
I know that you may only be putting your point of view over and not **** stirring, but I do believe that maybe you should take a back seat in any comments about Ring0s.
Like it or not, you are seen by many here as the enemy to all things Ring0s and it may be prudent for you to bite you lip on these threads.
Just some friendly advice.
I know I should take a back seat m8 - just can't help it. A lot of people slagged off ********* so I posted to defend them.
Take for instance andyp2's comment at the start - that was utter, utter ******** - and I WILL stick up for ********* about it. Come to think of it, it was his post that got me started here :)
I certainly am not trying to by "the enemy" in my posts - and yes I am biased towards MT, but I also have no ill feelings (before the piracy issue and ringos not sorting out the payments with MT) towards ring0s.
I will take your advice tho, and try to hold off posting unless something is utter ****** against MT :)
As I said, in my eyes what done is done now - so no more posts about ring0s for me :)
James
BOZZDUDE
25-02-2002, 17:52
Well I've got to say that I for one am very sorry to see RingOs go as a forum sponser,they are IMO far and away the best supplier on the net.I attend Bowlers quite a lot although not every week and I can honestly say I've never seen any 'silvers' on the RingOs stand.
I'd say about 80% of my discs have come from RingOs and will continue to do so until I'm persuaded otherwise. :)
Originally posted by JCL
As for Stu's failure to reply. I received an email from him in which he stated that he was unable to post on this site at present.
Originally posted by ColinP
I'd just like to make clear that Stu hasn't been banned and is free to post as a non-sponsor under the same rules as everyone else. There may be other reasons preventing him from posting - I don't know the full situation so cannot comment.
JCL - Do you know what the reasons were for him not being able to post?
PaulDCocker
25-02-2002, 20:46
:D That Location was removed quietly :D
i personally couldn't give a toss if Ringos sell bootlegs or not but i can totally understand the mods removing them from the forums as sponsors as they cant be seen in condoning it.
I will still continue to buy from Ringos though, without a doubt - i seriously doubt that this is really going to hurt them that much especially if they continue to get dvds in early
Originally posted by 8-]
JCL - Do you know what the reasons were for him not being able to post?
I may have worded my original comment better but here is what Stu said in his email:
i can't make post myself at the moment till this ISSUE is resolved.
peter@interdvd.co.uk
26-02-2002, 07:31
Ringo and I haven't really seen eye to eye on this forum for the last few months but in the interests of fairness i haven't seen him doing any form of bootleg at bowlers.
That is just my view, if some people here have evidence he has then obviously my view is wrong but i would just like to point out that over the last month at bowlers we have had every kind of government agency in the building checking out everyones product. 3 weeks ago we had TS, 2 weeks ago we had the FBI with FACT (hard to believe but true) and last Saturday we had a 20 strong gang of HM Customs & Excise agents thoroughly investigating everybody's business'.
All these visits doesn't bother me as i hold the world record for most VAT/TS/CUSTOMS visits inside a 2 month period (don't know why maybe someone out there doesn't like me) but you would think that if Ringo was guilty Bowlers, would be the last place on earth he would be.
I could go on and on about Bowlers being the UKs hotbed of Police activity but i will leave it there.
Cheers
WildWayz
"Take for instance andyp2's comment at the start - that was utter, utter ******** - and I WILL stick up for ********* about it"
Thats wrong isnt it? I stated that I thought that a competitor was trying to hinder Ringos in their business and I didnt know who it was. You told me it was ********* - this was new information.
So there was no need to defend ********* because I hadnt accused them of anything and as for my post being ********, maybe it was but it wasnt directed at anybody until you decided it was.
mayhemmaster
26-02-2002, 08:49
I think everyone should calm down a bit and deal with the info presented, I have seen a few companies dragged thru the brown stuff when postings haven't even mentioned their name.
jroadley
26-02-2002, 09:09
They've still got my business... And most of the forums I hope.
not mine I'm afraid. Pre ordered some discs. Watched as people were thanking them for prompt delivery. Emailed a few times, posted about it and still nothing. So I emailed to cancel. Still no reply.
That was my experience. Just my 2p's worth.
mikegray
26-02-2002, 11:57
No, no business for Ring0s from me either until they categorically state they're not selling silvers. Fact is that they could get busted for it, and that might mean problems for people who have ordered legitimate discs from 'em. Not worth the risk IMHO. :(
Stupid as far as I can see if Stu & Angie want to keep selling silvers as opposed to getting this forum's business, there can't be *that* good margins on them, FFS.
I'VE NOT HAD TIME TO READ THE ENTIRE THREAD BUT WILL DO SO TONIGHT OR TOMORROW , I'VE BEN SLIGHTLY PRE OCCUPIED TRYING TO TRACK DOWN MOST OF LAST FRIDAYS MAILOUT ( the largest mailout we've ever done )
THANKS TO ANONYMOUS PERSON that pionted out my posting rights HAVE NOT been revoked ( slight misunderstanding on my parts )
EVEN BIGGER THANKS :mad: TO THE PERSON THAT ADDED ME TO THE FFAFA.. mail list over the weekend ( i've never seen so many MLM or email money making schemes in my life)
Napoleon
26-02-2002, 15:49
Originally posted by 8-]
What's FFAFA ?
Probably an email spammers paradise.Perhaps it was your old friend jsind :rolleyes:
Originally posted by Napoleon
Perhaps it was your old friend jsind :rolleyes:
my old friend ??!!?!?
I don't know the guy, apart from a few posts of his which I've read, and the email with alleged DVD silver content which I got from him.
What are you saying?
Originally posted by Napoleon
Perhaps it was your old friend jsind :rolleyes:
Who incidentally e-mailed me the 'pirate e-mails'. Makes me wonder if he is the flamer that is hounding Ring0s as he most definitely has an axe to grind with them.
Are these e-mails from Ring0s? True or false thats all I want to know.
Craig from ********* has contacted to state that he doesn't hold R1 stock in this country so if I have been misinformed and thus posted incorrect information then I apologise.
As for jsind. Where's that troll pic when you need it? Just looking up the Brighton mafia phone number now! :D ;)
Originally posted by Alanok
Are these e-mails from Ring0s? True or false thats all I want to know.
I'd like to see a definitive answer from Ringos on this as well.
The emails I was sent are pretty damning IF they were sent by Ringos. I was sent them by someone else (jsind) so I cannot verify them myself.
jonathan.e
26-02-2002, 16:18
JCL, you might want to edit your original post to spare any confusion re. *********.
Originally posted by peter@interdvd.co.uk
Ringo and I haven't really seen eye to eye on this forum for the last few months but in the interests of fairness i haven't seen him doing any form of bootleg at bowlers.
That is just my view, if some people here have evidence he has then obviously my view is wrong but i would just like to point out that over the last month at bowlers we have had every kind of government agency in the building checking out everyones product. 3 weeks ago we had TS, 2 weeks ago we had the FBI with FACT (hard to believe but true) and last Saturday we had a 20 strong gang of HM Customs & Excise agents thoroughly investigating everybody's business'.
All these visits doesn't bother me as i hold the world record for most VAT/TS/CUSTOMS visits inside a 2 month period (don't know why maybe someone out there doesn't like me) but you would think that if Ringo was guilty Bowlers, would be the last place on earth he would be.
I could go on and on about Bowlers being the UKs hotbed of Police activity but i will leave it there.
Cheers
Thanks Peter.
That's very dignified of you. :clap:
Firstly, whether they are selling pirates or not, I don't care (in fact, the odd high price is more likely to make me stop then the odd alleged pirate!). A bit silly though as they will lose a lot of custom for allegedly not respecting the forum rules.
Secondly, whoever keeps harassing Ringos in the form of spam emails etc should grow up. Stopping someone earning a living is the lowest of the low, especially if he has a family. I bet its a sad spotty 14 year old who can't do his school homework and has pent up anger because girls call him a nerd and don't talk to him.
WildWayz
26-02-2002, 17:58
Originally posted by Tob
Secondly, whoever keeps harassing Ringos in the form of spam emails etc should grow up. Stopping someone earning a living is the lowest of the low, especially if he has a family. I bet its a sad spotty 14 year old who can't do his school homework and has pent up anger because girls call him a nerd and don't talk to him.
:D :D :D :D
As much as you would like to blame me for the alleged spamming that goes on with Ringos (anyone seen proof by the way?) it isn't me .
I dont even know what the hell a FFAFA is anyway!
If it was me i would own up - i did send people the emails that Ringos send out offering Bootlegs - to the people that asked, same as i got them off members here when i asked for them.
If people dont know if there real or not, i cannot comment as i have seen what you have, all i would say is there must be people out there that get these emails/bootlegs direct from Ringos so your comments would be welcome here....
chumhill
26-02-2002, 18:29
Cant people see that ringo's is just trying to offer the public dvds at the best price! The service is great and it is great how they even offer dvd which are not even released over here. Who cares where the dvds are stocked if they offer next day delivery then who really gives a crap they arent ripping off the public the only people being ripped off here are the manufacturers and be honest how often do big manufacturers rip the general public off?
I got an email from Ringos explaining what FFAFA is:
i've not wanted to give too much details about the tactics employed against publicly for fear of copycats , but FFAFA.. = ffafarm = the biggest free for all webring on the net. THEY are basically site designed to generate OPT IN mail list by promises the earth to people by just adding a link on one of their WebPages . the blurb claims you'll get millions of hits from the site but you actually get millions of emails from people asking you to put a link on their site!!! VERY VICIOUS CIRCLE!
Whoever signed Ringos up for this is just being immature and malicious.
Originally posted by chumhill
Who cares where the dvds are stocked if they offer next day delivery
The law cares I guess.
Originally posted by chumhill
who really gives a crap they arent ripping off the public the only people being ripped off here are the manufacturers and be honest how often do big manufacturers rip the general public off?
If you think that pirate DVDs don't hurt customers then you are wrong. It's what leads to higher prices for legit DVDs etc.
"If you think that pirate DVDs don't hurt customers then you are wrong. It's what leads to higher prices for legit DVDs etc."
Isn't that back to front? Surely the cheaper the product the more likely you are to want to purchase the original?
Originally posted by ljp
"If you think that pirate DVDs don't hurt customers then you are wrong. It's what leads to higher prices for legit DVDs etc."
Isn't that back to front? Surely the cheaper the product the more likely you are to want to purchase the original?
eh?
Originally posted by ljp
"If you think that pirate DVDs don't hurt customers then you are wrong. It's what leads to higher prices for legit DVDs etc."
Isn't that back to front? Surely the cheaper the product the more likely you are to want to purchase the original?
Sorry - you lost me. :confused:
deftone666
26-02-2002, 19:29
Originally posted by ljp
"If you think that pirate DVDs don't hurt customers then you are wrong. It's what leads to higher prices for legit DVDs etc."
Isn't that back to front? Surely the cheaper the product the more likely you are to want to purchase the original?
:confused:
Sorry.
Rule one, never let anyone else use your pc when you are cooking you tea!
I would just ignore my last post!
Originally posted by ljp
Rule one, never let anyone else use your pc when you are cooking you tea!
Who was it then? ;)
A friend who uses the Apollo Hoax forums.
I posted a couple of stupid answers on his behalf. He wasn't a happy bunny.
I had a nice tea by the way :D
Originally posted by ljp
I had a nice tea by the way :D
Good to know. :)
Napoleon
26-02-2002, 20:20
Originally posted by jsind
As much as you would like to blame me for the alleged spamming that goes on with Ringos (anyone seen proof by the way?) it isn't me .
I dont even know what the hell a FFAFA is anyway!
If it was me i would own up - i did send people the emails that Ringos send out offering Bootlegs - to the people that asked, same as i got them off members here when i asked for them.
If people dont know if there real or not, i cannot comment as i have seen what you have, all i would say is there must be people out there that get these emails/bootlegs direct from Ringos so your comments would be welcome here....
jsind
It's patently obvious that you are not an 'average' forum member,posting to various threads on any range of topics.You have an agenda,which is probably best summed up as slagging off Ringo's and kissing *********'s rear.Anyone who disagrees should search under your name,and have a read.
PaulDCocker
26-02-2002, 20:29
:clap:
That list could be added too .....
Craig must need an awful lot of fibregel! :D
(JUST incase people are unaware of the use of fibregel it cures constipation (seen advert :D) - Thus I am NOT slagging Craig - more the people who block his cavity!)
Originally posted by Napoleon
jsind
It's patently obvious that you are not an 'average' forum member,posting to various threads on any range of topics.You have an agenda,which is probably best summed up as slagging off Ringo's and kissing *********'s rear.Anyone who disagrees should search under your name,and have a read.
If this thread turns into the usual name calling that it always seems to, it will be closed.
diydestruction
26-02-2002, 20:48
to be honest i never used ringos, their prices weren't that good and i couldnt really care less if i got the DVD 2 weeks earlier, they did seem to treat customers well, so their customer service looked pretty good..
tried using ********* once, diabolical customer service and i know im not the only one, again, prices werent brilliant....
as bootlegs aren't tolerated on the forums, no wonder the mods removed them... ok ok... so we lost a forum sponser, but everyone can still use them by accessing their site... its not like their gone forever...
chumhill
26-02-2002, 23:15
i appear to have caused some confusion i didnt mean who cares where bootlegs come from, did i say that? NO I DONT THINK I DID. What i said what who cares whre region 11 dvds are stored people were saying that it is illegal to store region 1 discs in the uk which is correct but then people are saying oh if i found out that rigno's were storing region 1 dvds in the uk i wouldnt buy from them? why the hell not what im saying is who cares where there stored because if someone does happen to store them in the uk then we would all get a spedier delivery and who would complain about that?
Ringos are great for service, but both their R1 and their Bootlegs are seriously over priced.
Why not buy direct from either canada or Malaysia (if thats your bag).
The forums can't (from a legal standpoint) and shouldn't promote bootlegs
mayhemmaster
27-02-2002, 08:55
Wow, the mentality still surprises me. If you like a supplier - buy from them, if someone has had good service then they are going to be baised towards the company they get their product from. But it's plain to see that there are people on this forum with an agenda. ie to promote their chosen company come what may, BUT, the rules/terms are clear, if someone has been warned and failed to comply with the Terms and Conditions then what choice is there? Does this stop you buying your product from them if you are happy with them - no!
If my understanding of this whole situation is that Ringos where removed as forum sponsors because they were braking the law by offering copy DVD's then they should never have been allowed to sponsor the forums as they were braking the law by holding stock of R1 DVD's in the UK.
Now I am not saying I suport the selling of pirate DVD's but is this not double standards by turning a blind eye to one ilegal activity while condeming them for another.
And just to clarify a point I have ordered several DVD's from Ringos in the past and will do so in the future.
Originally posted by Kal El
If my understanding of this whole situation is that Ringos where removed as forum sponsors because they were braking the law by offering copy DVD's then they should never have been allowed to sponsor the forums as they were braking the law by holding stock of R1 DVD's in the UK.
Now I am not saying I suport the selling of pirate DVD's but is this not double standards by turning a blind eye to one ilegal activity while condeming them for another.
And just to clarify a point I have ordered several DVD's from Ringos in the past and will do so in the future.
Sorry for the extreme analogy, but thats like turning a blind eye to say jaywalking, whilst still condemning murder.
If you were in America. But you get my drift... (couldn't think of a non-serious UK crime)
One is a whole lot more extreme than the other so its completely understandable to dislike one.
StayPuft
27-02-2002, 21:41
With the region 1 thing at least the money is going where it should, the distributor/supplier/studio/whatever are all getting their cut.
However with ripped off, overpriced silvers that are obtained for 0 pence off the internet all the money is essentially dishonest. Cant think of a better way to word it but hopefully the jist of it is there.
Veejyburger
27-02-2002, 21:50
Dont some films have different distributers in different countries? So buying a region 1 disc would affect the region 2 / uk distributer.
Having said that i'll still purchase R1's.
Originally posted by Kal El
If my understanding of this whole situation is that Ringos where removed as forum sponsors because they were braking the law by offering copy DVD's then they should never have been allowed to sponsor the forums as they were braking the law by holding stock of R1 DVD's in the UK.
Now I am not saying I suport the selling of pirate DVD's but is this not double standards by turning a blind eye to one ilegal activity while condeming them for another.
And just to clarify a point I have ordered several DVD's from Ringos in the past and will do so in the future.
That's not correct.
There is nothing in the Forum T&Cs about stocking R1 DVDs in the UK. There is something in the T&Cs about selling bootlegs.
Hence doing the first will not get you removed from being a sponsor, but doing the second will.
That's all there is to it.
Davester
27-02-2002, 23:38
Wow, this thread sure is interesting, and sad too. I have used Ringos once and was very impressed but I think we should all take the admins word and believe that they have been a little norty. Whatever the ins and outs if they have sold pirates they should not be a forum sponser (althoguh they were great supporters) and if you want to continue to use them do so. There are certain people who have loyalties and that is fair enough. You are never going to agree, so why not sit back and drop the subject.
Jimmyboy
28-02-2002, 00:06
Originally posted by 8-]
That's not correct.
There is nothing in the Forum T&Cs about stocking R1 DVDs in the UK. There is something in the T&Cs about selling bootlegs.
Yeah and if there was there would be no forum members coz were'd all be banned due to all the R1 trading which takes place. :D
Originally posted by Davester
.... but I think we should all take the admins word and believe that they have been a little norty.
Sorry, don't agree with that. If Ringos have breached the T+C's by selling illegal discs fair enough, but to say we should blindly follow everything the admins or anyone else for that matter says is madness.
All we have been told so far is that they've been accused of doing something against the T+C's regarding the selling of bootleg discs. Far as I can see Ringos have been given no public right to reply and admit/deny the allegations on these forums. Maybe they are choosing not to post, but I can't necessarily take that as an admission of guilt.
If Stu came here and admitted fault then OK, but I'm not going to believe everything based on a one-sided opinion. I've had positive and negative experiences with most retailers, and only used Ringos once and had good service (Futurama boxset).
If the evidence is irrefutable (I'm not expecting to see it), I still believe Stu should be invited to give his side of the story for the record. That is the only fair thing to do given the forums were more than happy to take his sponsorship money in the past.
WildWayz
28-02-2002, 06:21
Hmmmm
well, he hasn't been banned - so he CAN post here to tell his side. He has also been here since losing sponsership and hasn't said a word about it all - when he could of.
Either way, he hasn't admitted it or denied it publically - just avoided the issue.
James
jonathan.e
28-02-2002, 06:28
cervaro, Ringos were warned when it had been ascertained they were selling Monsters Inc bootlegs. They agreed to stop but further evidence came to light subsequently that they hadn’t - thus they were removed as sponsors. I’ve yet to see the emails they sent out soliciting customers for the pirate discs but from the comments of those who have, these sound pretty damning.
It’s clear some people on these forums like to see Ringos as the underdog assailed on all sides by unscrupulous etailers determined to put them out of business through various underhand methods but the truth of the matter is that there is enough evidence for the forums to cut off one of their revenue streams (ie Ringos sponsorship money) which they would not have done if the evidence pointing to bootlegs was insubstantial. Ringos have (as pointed out by Colin) chosennot to reply directly on this subject which in itself is compelling evidence as I know that if I were a trader falsely accused of this I’d be proclaiming my innocence for all to see, especially to my customer base.
That this is happening with Ringos in light of the savage way they went after StarDVD (admittedly a poor etailer) for trading in "silvers" is somewhat ironic but only serves to show that people in glass houses......
Originally posted by WildWayz
Hmmmm
well, he hasn't been banned - so he CAN post here to tell his side. He has also been here since losing sponsership and hasn't said a word about it all - when he could of.
Either way, he hasn't admitted it or denied it publically - just avoided the issue.
James
**Ahem** :rolleyes:
WildWayz
28-02-2002, 08:17
Originally posted by Ono
**Ahem** :rolleyes:
It's true though - he has been about since having his links removed and not a peep.
Not saying it is good or bad, but as Jonathon said, if it was me I would be posting to defend myself.
James
Originally posted by WildWayz
I will take your advice tho, and try to hold off posting unless something is utter ****** against MT :)
As I said, in my eyes what done is done now - so no more posts about ring0s for me :)
James
James, don't you think that it would be prudent not to post into this thread taking into account your links with ********* and the problems that exist between the two companies. It just seems you can't help yourself.
Cervaro if you saw the evidence then you might think slightly differently. And Ring0s have been given a right to reply, Stu simply hasn't taken up the offer. Which is a shame because I would like an explanation to the e-mails that seem to originate from him. Again I would like to say.....do Ring0s sell pirate dvd's or not?!!!!!
WildWayz
28-02-2002, 08:47
Alanok - what is it I did wrong exactly?
From cervaro
All we have been told so far is that they've been accused of doing something against the T+C's regarding the selling of bootleg discs. Far as I can see Ringos have been given no public right to reply and admit/deny the allegations on these forums. Maybe they are choosing not to post, but I can't necessarily take that as an admission of guilt.
From WildWayz
well, he hasn't been banned - so he CAN post here to tell his side. He has also been here since losing sponsership and hasn't said a word about it all - when he could of.
Either way, he hasn't admitted it or denied it publically - just avoided the issue.
It's the truth - he posted on an A.I thread a day or so after he lost sponsorship so he has been about.
Not a word was mentioned by him on this.
--James
Davester
28-02-2002, 09:43
Originally posted by WildWayz
Alanok - what is it I did wrong exactly?
--James
You are a big MT supporter (well that is at least your image) so what you say can come across at gloating and trying to kick ringos when they are down. do we really want this thread to turn into a slanging match?
Cervaro, I agree that unquestioned devotion to what the admins say is not a good idea, but they do seem certain that they have strong evidence, although some people seem to be suggesting it is not the case now. If that is the situation it is sad as ringos made some great contributions to teh forums and when i used them they were fantastic but they can't really be a\ forum sponsor. To be perfectly honest it doesn't make that much difference anyway, as most people know their name after their period here (and it will come up now and again in the suppliers) and will use them still.
Stu replying? Is that wise if there are legal implications.
Originally posted by Alanok
.... I would like an explanation to the e-mails that seem to originate from him. Again I would like to say.....do Ring0s sell pirate dvd's or not?!!!!!
I think the pertinent words are "the e-mails that seem to originate from him".
I'll say it again, I've no personal knowledge either way of whether Ringos were dealing in silvers. Bad move if they were. However, it always seems some people are willing to act as self-appointed judge and jury in these matters, pointing out their superior morality, and how they've never bought a silver, copied a CD, downloaded an MP3, etc. Next they'll be informing us of their ability to walk on water and cure the sick with the touch of their hand!
We've now lost two sponsors in the Suppliers Forums in as many months, and the one's we've gained I've never bleedin well heard of and to be honest, DVD Crave is the only one I will use occasionally.
Even if Ringos hadn't been cancelled as a sponsor I wouldn't have blamed them if they'd quit because of the level of abuse they were getting from some people. Similar situation happened with ********* whereby the same old names were using the official thread as a forum to dish out personal abuse towards Craig and the company. Would have been better to stump up for online order tracking via the site and not reply to email enquiries full stop.
Amazon spend a fortune on customer service and can't turn a profit as yet. They won't sell you anything illegal. They'll usually deliver promptly unless out of stock. They'll charge you more.
Take your choice.
WildWayz
28-02-2002, 09:59
Hmmm I may help out MT but I also use Play, Disc Emporium, Future Entertainment and DVD Street to order DVDs so I am not showing favouritism. Or at least, I wasn't aiming to kick ring0s when they are down - just stating that there is nothing holding Stu down from posting here. He isn't banned.
--James
And James, you did say you would not comment on Ring0s threads anymore. :rolleyes:
Look up a bit if you forgot. Nothing has been said about MT to either.
WildWayz
28-02-2002, 10:08
Originally posted by cervaro
Amazon spend a fortune on customer service and can't turn a profit as yet. They won't sell you anything illegal. They'll usually deliver promptly unless out of stock. They'll charge you [b]more
100% correct.
Small companies start out with excellent customer service but as they get bigger that level drops. (This next bit is NOT a dig) Ring0s were the same - they use to answer questions all the time, people use to get quick responses - phone was always answered... now it is different.
They are at the stage where ********* are - loads of emails and calls which if they spent all day answering, then they cannot process orders and get orders/deliveries sorted out.
Then why can they not employ more staff? Simple... money.
Imagine if they hired someone else in to work on customer service.. pay them like £12,000 a year - thats a LOT more DVDs they have to sell to cover that... and then there are other costs involved like paying present staff etc
So you can either be like amazon and run a business as a loss, but have decent support or like a smaller supplier who offers OK support but often has problems but at least they are making a marginal profit.
I really do not envy ********* or ring0s or any other small company - especially when they get abusive emails. I have seen emails sent to MT because someone got their disc a day later than his friend and you would have thought WWIII broke out!
--James
Originally posted by WildWayz
Alanok - what is it I did wrong exactly?
--James
I would suggest you read my post in full, that is including your quote :rolleyes:
Look matey I have no personal vendetta against you but I find it tiresome that you persistently post in threads where you have said you won't be. And considering the situation between your 'fave' supplier and Ring0s it would only be the right thing to do but stay away from Ring0s related threads.
jonathan.e
28-02-2002, 10:14
Originally posted by Davester
Stu replying? Is that wise if there are legal implications.
What legal implications are there in saying "No, I don’t supply bootlegs"?
Davester
28-02-2002, 11:00
Originally posted by jonathan.e
What legal implications are there in saying "No, I don’t supply bootlegs"? I don't know, and I guess that is the problem. Only a few people know what is happening and we are speculation until we find something else out.
jonathan.e
28-02-2002, 11:00
Ringos banner/link still appears within the DVDTimes reviews. Just an oversight?
MasterYoda
28-02-2002, 11:35
The facts are quite simple, Colin and Kev will have been 100% sure before cutting off the Ringos deal.
They made a lot of money from that sponsorship which they let go so that they could stand by their convictions. Whether you want Ringos back or not you have to admire Colin and Kev for that.
I've just been informed that apparently Ring)s cannot reply in any threads pertaining to Ring0s. So they cannot reply in this thread, or any others in order to defend themselves.
The bit of the email sent to Ring0s about this (which I was forwarded) is:
"Stu - as you will be aware, it is now not permitted for you to answer questions regarding Ring0s or post in any threads relating to your business, as you no longer have this privilege. You are welcome to use the forums just like any other member, but we would ask you to not to post in any Ring0s related threads, nor promote your business on the forums. "
So, there is no point in asking Ring0s to defend themselves and accept/deny any claims.
Originally posted by MasterYoda
you have to admire Colin and Kev for that.
Who's Kev?
Sound like an Essex bloke. :D
Originally posted by Ono
Who's Kev?
Sound like an Essex bloke. :D
isn't he the new forum admin/owner person :confused:
I have just received an e-mail from Stu explaining his position and their stance on dvd silvers. I have asked Stu if I can post the e-mail here as I know it might clear up some of this mess. Will post as soon as I hear back form him.
Davester
28-02-2002, 12:37
Originally posted by Ono
Who's Kev?
Sound like an Essex bloke. :D They sponsor his Nova :D
Is that Tyler Durden kev?
Al, agree about the mail. After a quick read it may clear some things up. Cheers for the forward!
Dave.
hookbeak
28-02-2002, 12:45
Originally posted by Alanok
I have just received an e-mail from Stu explaining his position and their stance on dvd silvers. I have asked Stu if I can post the e-mail here as I know it might clear up some of this mess. Will post as soon as I hear back form him.
Would anyone forward me a copy ? I'm a ringos customer from here - but didn't get one....did they just go out to poeple who posted on this thread ?
anyway, hookbeak@hotmail.com
ta much indeedy.
(by the way - ringos can have my business either way)
splobber
28-02-2002, 12:47
From the closed thread:
Originally posted by 8-]
I've just been informed that apparently Ring)s cannot reply in any threads pertaining to Ring0s. So they cannot reply in this thread, or any others in order to defend themselves.
The bit of the email sent to Ring0s about this (which I was forwarded) is:
"Stu - as you will be aware, it is now not permitted for you to answer questions regarding Ring0s or post in any threads relating to your business, as you no longer have this privilege. You are welcome to use the forums just like any other member, but we would ask you to not to post in any Ring0s related threads, nor promote your business on the forums. "
The quote you see is not from an email from us, but is actually a post which I made in the AI from Ringos thread. My comments were in relation to Stu letting members know that their discs were being shipped, not because we do not want them to defend themselves. However, we have given Stu the green light to put his side of the story across.
Originally posted by hookbeak
Would anyone forward me a copy ? I'm a ringos customer from here - but didn't get one....did they just go out to poeple who posted on this thread ?
anyway, hookbeak@hotmail.com
ta much indeedy.
(by the way - ringos can have my business either way)
Sent it.
I think they should be able to stick up for themselves, seems a bit daft.
I got the email and I'm not even a customer. Must have got my email address from here.
Hope the mods are okay with this, if not then I can e-mail people who want to read what Stu has to say.
Right here's the portions of the e-mail which are relevant to the subject, read, digest and make your own minds up.....
"Stu - as you will be aware, it is now not permitted for you to answer questions regarding Ring0s or post in any threads relating to your business, as you no longer have this privilege. You are welcome to use the forums just like any other member, but we would ask you to not to post in any Ring0s related threads, nor promote your business on the forums. "
http://thedvdforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=57927&pagenumber=2
in other words I CAN post within the " FABULOUSLY FIT FEMALES THREAD" or such BUT NOT ANYTHING PERTAINING TO "RINGOS" as a business.
firstly I'd like to state that www.ringos.co.uk DOES NOT , HAS NOT & WILL NOT advertise , promote or distribute BOOTLEG material .
HOWEVER i personally , naively made the mistake of getting hold of some silvers for a few PEOPLE that REQUESTED THEM . people i thought were friends rather than customers .
as for who and why someone purchased one and started this whole issue within the forum is now plain to see.
Stu has sent me another e-mail but I think that matter is best left between him and the others concerned.
I for one am still unsure but ready to give Stu the benefit of doubt. Looks like a small, silly mistake that has backfired majorly.
Originally posted by Alanok
I for one am still unsure but ready to give Stu the benefit of doubt. Looks like a small, silly mistake that has backfired majorly.
I am fully prepared to accept that but whether others who declared him guilty already will do is another matter
hookbeak
28-02-2002, 13:03
hmmm interesting.
I sold on my dvd silver of "CTHD" to a mate last year - according to some extremists here that'd mean i could never become a forum sponsor.
Personally, i'd be a bit upset if i asked a mate for , for example, for a copy of a pc game and then reported him to FACT when he gave it to me - which seems to be a similar situation to this.
Put me in the " ringos are innocent " category.
charlie angel
28-02-2002, 13:06
I've ordered from Ring0s about 18 million times & have no issues with them as a supplier - always been very happy with them.
Also sounds to me like a backfired deed, & they shall continue to receive my business :)
Originally posted by splobber
However, we have given Stu the green light to put his side of the story across.
Do you mean that he can post his side of the story here or directly to the mods only?
Originally posted by hookbeak
Put me in the " ringos are innocent " category.
Wouldn't say innocent, but not exactly the Police Target No 1 either.
But as far as sponsorship goes it's fair enough them being removed.
Not the most clever of things to do.
splobber
28-02-2002, 13:10
Originally posted by 8-]
Do you mean that he can post his side of the story here or directly to the mods only?
Here on the forums. The email that has just been posted clarifies the situation anyway.
Originally posted by hookbeak
Put me in the " ringos are innocent " category.
Same here. Everyone with a cd writer copies stuff for their mates, its a fact. You just don't expect 'em to do the dirty on you like whats happend here with the DVD silvers.
hookbeak
28-02-2002, 13:13
Originally posted by daz_75
Wouldn't say innocent,
I would - ringos.co.uk are the (ex) sponsors - and ringos.co.uk have never sold bootlegs in any way shape or form. Therefore, ringos.co.uk has done nothing wrong- i.e. innocent.
What stu does in his own time - outside of the company - is of no business to anyone here...
WIATED DAYS FOR THIS :
FIRST :
there has been no cover up by the FORUMS ADMIN , COLINP acted upon EVERY ALLEGATION made agianst us in a timely and condisered manner . AS DID THE PREVIOUS OWNERS OF THE FORUM , with the almost relentous daily EMAILS they received form certain parties.
SECOND :
ringos.co.uk, HAVE NEVER AND WILL NEVER RETAILER DVD SILVERS . ALL PRODUCT ON OUR SITE IS GENUINE PRODUCT FROM GENUINE WHOLESALERS .
I'D ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT AT THIS JUNCTURE WE DO NOT INDULDGE IN ILLEGAL TRADING PRACTICES SUCH AS "DEBIT CARD SURCHARGES" OR PHANTOM "CLAIMS FORMS" ( anyone wishing to ask further on these or any other DODGY NET PRACTICES need only start a thread asking abot them and i'll blow the whistle on any subject asked about )
MOST IMPORTANTLY :
i naively DID obtain a number a silver dvds for certain "friends" that REQUESTED them , there motives now more then apparant
cut & paste from two emails i received about it
Makes for nice reading and printing...
Also no good complaining to people in person about forwarding emails.. my source is closer to you than you think!
& Just a mail to say thanks for the hardcore porn DVD you sent from within the UK!
Snoop Dog's Doggystyle delivered yesterday, with the wonderful Bolton Franking Stamp , plus fingerprints & best of all a handwritten address label!
Made my day...
FULL COPIES OF THESE EMAILS AVAILABLE AS ATTAHMENTS TO ANYONE POSTING HERE THAT THEY'D LIKE TO RECEIVE THEM!
SO IN SHORT YES we did supply a number of SILVERS to a few people ON REQUEST , A mistake will not make again!
SORRY FOR THE INCONVENIENCE WE AHVE CUASED EVERYONE
AND i wish COLINP and the mods the best for the future , and hope they recoup the money they no longer receive from RINGOS as soon as possible and don't fall prey to the OTHER FORUM recently set up against them
<B>EDIT</b>: Removed claims about members of another forum as it's not relevant to this discussion.
Davester
28-02-2002, 13:19
davidbertram17@hotmail.com
Cheers MR RingO
hookbeak
28-02-2002, 13:21
Well at least you don't get any "server busy" errors on the dvdlifestyle forum - cos theres no bugger on it.
dvdlifepile more like :clap:
oh, and a copy of them to me too please mr ringos - hookbeak@hotmail.com
jamesking42000@hotmail.com
Thanks Stu,
James
Davester
28-02-2002, 13:22
RE: closure of thread.
Thought that would be the case. Sorry for the trouble Colin
:)
Originally posted by ring0s
AVE NEVER AND WILL NEVER RETAILER DVD SILVERS .
SO IN SHORT YES we did supply a number of SILVERS to a few people ON REQUEST , A mistake will not make again!
.
:nuts: :nuts:
Originally posted by Davester
http://thedvdforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=59086
If thi has over stepped the mark, I apologise. I am just curious. No harm is meant.
Dave.
ColinP has closed the thread cos it may become a 'warground between companies'
But if anyone could at least explain these practices in this thread - without naming any names then I would be very grateful.
James
EDIT. or email me with the details jamesking42000@hotmail.com
hookbeak
28-02-2002, 13:31
rooster - you're not one of those copywriters who gets quotes like :
"this movie is devoid of action and packed with bad acting"
and puts on the poster :
"this movie is action packed !"
are you ?
WildWayz
28-02-2002, 13:32
<b>EDIT</B>: Edited as this arguement doens't have any real relevance to this thread and is just going to stir up more trouble. I've edited the original post from Ringos accordingly.
Davester
28-02-2002, 13:32
Originally posted by jamesking420
ColinP has closed the thread cos it may become a 'warground between companies'
But if anyone could at least explain these practices in this thread - without naming any names then I would be very grateful.
James Have to agree with Colin, was a very bad idea on my part.
Originally posted by Davester
RE: closure of thread.
Thought that would be the case. Sorry for the trouble Colin
:)
Didn't last long :D
hookbeak just didnt want to requote hundreds of words. but those two sentences are complete and seperate in the original post.. Just dont understand them thats all
Davester
28-02-2002, 13:35
Originally posted by daz_75
Didn't last long :D Was probably for the best.
Must think before post!:p
Originally posted by Davester
Was probably for the best.
Must think before post!:p
if people did that the forums wouldn't be as much fun :p
WildWayz
28-02-2002, 13:37
Originally posted by WildWayz
<b>EDIT</B>: Edited as this arguement doens't have any real relevance to this thread and is just going to stir up more trouble. I've edited the original post from Ringos accordingly.
Thanks Colin - only posted to defend myself - but it is all sorted out now :)
--James
lionhart
28-02-2002, 13:52
I’ve no doubt that by posting this response I will be persecuted by the Ringo’s crusaders and accused of being part of some X-files type conspiracy. The content of two e-mails, pasted below, that I received from Ringo’s does suggest that he regularly sells Silvers (not a one off) and the e-mails promote the re-distribution of those Silvers. I do not think he is the innocent victim he is trying to portray.
EVENING ALL!!!
ITS REGION 0 SILVERS TIME AGAIN!!!
HOPE YOU ALL ENJOYED YOUR BITS & PIECES THE OTHER DAY!
SORRY ABOUT THE MIX UP OVER MONSTER INC / JIMMY NEUTRON , I THOUGHT I WAS DOING THE RIGHT THING FRIDAY WHEN WE RECEIVED THE WRONG BOXES BUT HOPEFULLY YOU APPRECAITEDTHE GESTURE WHEN I SENT MONSTERS INC OUT MONDAY FREE OF CHARGE!
ANYWAYS THE NEXT BATCH ARE IN THURSDAY SO HERE'S THE CURRENT LIST :
1) LORD OF THE RINGS
2) HARRY POTTER
3) MONSTERS INC
4) JIMMY NEUTRON (if you are still having sound problems email me and I'll explain how to get it working!)
5) BEHIND ENEMY LINES
6) ALI
7) VANILLA SKY
8) BLACK HAWK DOWN
9) SPY GAMES
USUAL PRICES , £15 EACH OR ANY 3 FOR £40 !
IF YOU HAVE AN ACCOUNT WITH US THEN JUST REPLY TO THIS EMAIL! WITH YOUR ORDER PLUS SURNAME AND POSTCODE!
IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN ACCOUNT SET UP PLEASE USE THIS SECURE LINK
https://home.btconnect.com/ringos/order.htm AND PUT THE WORD "SILVER" IN THE COMMENTS BOX!
BULK ENQUIRIES WELCOME FROM YOU MARKET BOYS!!!!
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE REMOVED FROM THIS SMALL SELECT LIST AND NOT RECEIVE A WEEKLY EMAIL OF WHAT'S ON OFFER JUST CLICK THIS LINK AND I'LL PULL YA FROM THE LIST!! mailto:dvd0870@btclick.com?subject=NOMORESILVERS!
Sunday morning & me VAN brokedown again , so no show today!
anyways we got an extra film with the last batch which were not expecting.
TRAINING DAY ( denzil washington ) , its actually a SCREENER and is indisintishable from an original ( apart from the little "...property of..." message which appears at the beginning of the film and once again half way thru )
i've also been asked a lot of questions about QUALITY , SOUND FORMATS and surprise surprise disc size ( guess alot of you have bought or are thinking of buying DVD WRITERS ) , so i've loaded up each and every dvd and we keep the list in the format below.
TITLE QUALITY SOUND FEATURES SIZE
1) LORD OF THE RINGS , average,Dolby 2 & 5.1 , no features , below 4.7Gb
2) HARRY POTTER , good , Dolby 2 & 5.1 , no features , below 4.7Gb
3) MONSTERS INC , EXCELLENT , Dolby 5.1 & DTS , no features , below 4.7Gb
4) JIMMY NEUTRON , average, stereo & Dolby pro , no features , below 4.7Gb
5) BEHIND ENEMY LINES, good , stereo & Dolby pro , no features , below 4.7Gb
6) ALI, good , Dolby 2 & 5.1 , DVD features , below 4.7Gb
7) VANILLA SKY, good , Dolby 2 & 5.1 , DVD features , below 4.7Gb
8) BLACK HAWK DOWN, good , Dolby 2 & 5.1 , DVD features , below 4.7Gb
9) SPY GAMES, EXCELLENT , stereo & Dolby pro, no features , below 4.7Gb
10) TRAINING DAY , EXCELLENT , Dolby 2 & 5.1 , DVD features , below 4.7Gb
USUAL PRICES , £15 EACH OR ANY 3 FOR £40 !
IF YOU HAVE AN ACCOUNT WITH US THEN JUST REPLY TO THIS EMAIL! WITH YOUR ORDER PLUS SURNAME AND POSTCODE!
IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN ACCOUNT SET UP PLEASE USE THIS SECURE LINK
https://home.btconnect.com/ringos/order.htm AND PUT THE WORD "SILVER" IN THE DISCOUNT BOX!
BULK ENQUIRIES WELCOME FROM YOU MARKET BOYS!!!!
PLEASE FEEL FREE TO FORWARD THIS EMAIL TO ANYONE YOU TRUST!
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE REMOVED FROM THIS SMALL SELECT LIST AND NOT RECEIVE A WEEKLY EMAIL OF WHAT'S ON OFFER JUST CLICK THIS LINK AND I'LL PULL YA FROM THE LIST!! mailto:dvd0870@btclick.com?subject=NOMORESILVERS!
The plot thickens.
IF lionheart's email is genuine. Then Ringo's post is a pack of lies. Anybody else get this email?
Originally posted by lionhart
The content of two e-mails, pasted below, that I received from Ringo’s does suggest that he regularly sells Silvers (not a one off) and the e-mails promote the re-distribution of those Silvers.Heh, I was wondering how long it'd take before someone finally posted this.
Oh crap, I forgot about those e-mails.
I'm bloody undecided again:confused:
Just a small question, do we know if this a genuine Ring0s e-mail?
EDIT I had these e-mails sent to me from the renowned Ring0s flamer Jsind.
Originally posted by rooster
The plot thickens.
IF lionheart's email is genuine. Then Ringo's post is a pack of lies. Anybody else get this email?
I had it forwared to me, though not direct from Ringos.
So is Ringos finished permanently as a site sponsor then?
USUAL PRICES , £15 EACH OR ANY 3 FOR £40
Not cheap then, why the hell do people buy these things for prices like those. :rolleyes:
Originally posted by rooster
Anybody else get this email?
I'm afraid that I also received those emails. :(
Originally posted by jamesking420
I had it forwared to me, though not direct from Ringos.
Me too.
It would be good to hear direct from anyone who actually got these emails sent (rather than forwarded) to them.
Also a reply from Ring0s on the vailidity of these emails would be good.
Originally posted by RikA
I'm afraid that I also received those emails. :(
From ringo's?????
Originally posted by RikA
I'm afraid that I also received those emails. :(
Did you receive it straight from Ring0s or via someone else?
hookbeak
28-02-2002, 14:15
£15 each !
Whoever did write this knows precious little about the silvers market. They go for £7 - £9 normally and bulk buyers can generally pick them up for about £4 - £5 tops.
Allegedly.
If this is written by Ringos by the way, where is the appalling grammar and spelling ? There's only a small bit of poor english there !
WONDERED WHEN I'D GET TO SEE THIS EMAILS?
AND THOUGHT MY EARLIER COMMENTS MIGHT FLUSH A FEW PEOPLE OUT.....
all news to me....
LIONHEART : i've no idea how you received that or where it came from BUT THEN AGAIN I DON'T OWN MY OWN WEBHOST COMPANY ....
loks good thou complete with spelling mistakes and a referrence to my van breaking down ( FUEL INFECTORS THAT DAY! )
There was no need to post that email here, I asked for it to be emailed to me and others shoul
and it could be boll*cks :eek:
Originally posted by daz_75
USUAL PRICES , £15 EACH OR ANY 3 FOR £40
Not cheap then, why the hell do people buy these things for prices like those. :rolleyes:
I assume that it is because the titles are not available elsewhere on legit DVD, and in some cases are still in the cinemas
Originally posted by 8-]
Did you receive it straight from Ring0s or via someone else?
IIRC, it came straight from ringos (or at least that's what it looked like) However, if Ringos say its fake, then I have no reason not to believe them.
Can anyone actually claim to actually have bought and received a DVD silver from ringos?
Like most people, I'd like to know the truth, but I'll continue to use ringos until I have a good reason not to!
Originally posted by andyp2
There was no need to post that email here, I asked for it to be emailed to me and others should to
Since the whole thing is being discussed and defended by Ring0s on this thread, what's the harm in posting it?
Otherwise nobody would know exactly which emails are being discussed, and which ones exactly are being denied etc.
This way it is all out in the open - no room for misunderstandings.
It could be rubbish - but then that is understood by anyone who reads the thread anyway.
Everying out in the open - best way to get to the truth.
hookbeak
28-02-2002, 14:24
whether you believe him or not consider this :
Ringos.co.uk is a proper company - as such he has to keep proper records for tax purposes etc.
If I was ringos i'd have to be fool to :
A) advertise selling silvers - which are most definately illegal - like this
B) Get people to order them through my LEGITIMATE website.
This provides far too big a trail back to your legitimate company, as as he sells at bowlers i'm sure stu is well aware of the risks and penalties for getting caught doing this.
It just doesn't ring true to me.
How easy would it have been for someone to email some Ring0s customers using his email id?
Can Ring0s get his web-hosting company to track who did this? Would a record of the users who edit the site, send emails etc. be logged somewhere?
Jimmyboy
28-02-2002, 14:30
Originally posted by ring0s
SO IN SHORT YES we did supply a number of SILVERS to a few people ON REQUEST , A mistake will not make again!
But am I right in thinking the reason you were banned was because you sold pirates, were told not to by the forum mods, said you wouldnt, and were then caught selling them again ?.
Im not convinced one way or the other, It does seem strange that all those refusing to accept the forum mods word that Ringos were dealing with bootlegs, are so quick to accept Ringos word even though they have less evidence to support their defence.
Originally posted by 8-]
Since the whole thing is being discussed and defended by Ring0s on this thread, what's the harm in posting it?
Maybe because it is dragging the name of Ring0s through the mud without any kind of concrete foundation.
How easy would it have been for someone to email some Ring0s customers using his email id?
Actually I remember Stu saying they had been hacked. Not to sure when.
Joined the discussion late here. Just wanted to say that I too support Ringos, and for a small team, they've not failed me yet, and will continue to receive my custom - I think they do a very good job for what must be a time and effort-consuming practice.
:)
Davester
28-02-2002, 14:39
Originally posted by Jimmyboy
But am I right in thinking the reason you were banned was because you sold pirates, were told not to by the forum mods, said you wouldnt, and were then caught selling them again ?.
Im not convinced one way or the other, It does seem strange that all those refusing to accept the forum mods word that Ringos were dealing with bootlegs, are so quick to accept Ringos word even though they have less evidence to support their defence. Confused me too. Maybe I am just slow.
Originally posted by ring0s
loks good thou complete with spelling mistakes ....
Just what I thought when reading through that email. ;)
It looks increasingly obvious that Ringos have been the target of a smear campaign via a fake email (the private sales were stupid, but then they were meant to be just that private, and his personal business and not connected with the company). Makes the forums decision to axe his sponsorship look extremely foolhardy and premature based on such flimsy evidence. Just goes to show why I never trust management to make sensible decisions.
Wonder if the person(s) connected with the creation and distribution of this email are involved with other companies and/or discussion forums? I hope not, or their actions will have serious ramifications if found out for sure.
Hang your heads in shame for being so gullible to fall for such a scam. :nuts:
Originally posted by hookbeak
whether you believe him or not consider this :
Ringos.co.uk is a proper company - as such he has to keep proper records for tax purposes etc.
If I was ringos i'd have to be fool to :
A) advertise selling silvers - which are most definately illegal - like this
B) Get people to order them through my LEGITIMATE website.
This provides far too big a trail back to your legitimate company, as as he sells at bowlers i'm sure stu is well aware of the risks and penalties for getting caught doing this.
It just doesn't ring true to me.
Good point, seems a strange thing to ask customers to put SILVERS when ordering on the web site.
Originally posted by Alanok
Maybe because it is dragging the name of Ring0s through the mud without any kind of concrete foundation.
Surely people commenting about the emails without them being displayed to everyone else, just leads to claims and counterclaims, more mudslinging etc.
This way Ring0s can defend himself and then people can make their minds up based on what has been said - and this way all the info is shown here (and not in forwarded emails).
If the email that is being denied is not posted here, then people wouldn't know what is being denied. Not everyone who reads this thread would have seen the emails before they were posted here, in fact I'm sure that most hadn't.
Originally posted by cervaro
Just what I thought when reading through that email. ;)
It looks increasingly obvious that Ringos have been the target of a smear campaign via a fake email (the private sales were stupid, but then they were meant to be just that private, and his personal business and not connected with the company). Makes the forums decision to axe his sponsorship look extremely foolhardy and premature based on such flimsy evidence. Just goes to show why I never trust management to make sensible decisions.
Wonder if the person(s) connected with the creation and distribution of this email are involved with other companies and/or discussion forums? I hope not, or their actions will have serious ramifications if found out for sure.
Hang your heads in shame for being so gullible to fall for such a scam. :nuts:
The argument could go both ways though, it COULD be an email from ringo's. Only ringo's staff will ever know the truth.
BOZZDUDE
28-02-2002, 14:47
Originally posted by ringOs
FULL COPIES OF THESE EMAILS AVAILABLE AS ATTAHMENTS TO ANYONE POSTING HERE THAT THEY'D LIKE TO RECEIVE THEM!
Could you send me a copy please Mr.R
Any talk about gullibility and foolhardy decisions is pointless.
There has been no info on this thread that has proven either side of the argument conclusively.
Jimmyboy
28-02-2002, 14:49
Originally posted by cervaro
Makes the forums decision to axe his sponsorship look extremely foolhardy and premature based on such flimsy evidence. Just goes to show why I never trust management to make sensible decisions.
Hang your heads in shame for being so gullible to fall for such a scam.
Rubbish.
Ringos were caught selling pirates at Bowlers.
Ringos admit to dealing pirates.
The forum mods felt fit to axe Ringos as sponsers despite losing profit.
To suggest that this action would have been made premature is quite stupid given the money thats been lost.
But keep following your blind loyalty to your fav supplier whilst being the hypocrite & condeming those who's gut insticts tell them otherwise. :nuts:
Originally posted by 8-]
Any talk about gullibility and foolhardy decisions is pointless.
There has been no info on this thread that has proven either side of the argument conclusively.
Very true.
Good discussion though, feel like i'm down the pub with my mates :D
I guess its make your mind up time folks.
Do you believe Stu and Ring0s that they do not and will not distribute, advertise pirates through their business? That the e-mail's pertaining to be sent from him are indeed fake and have nothing to do with Ring0s.
Or do you take the word of the dvdforum mods and admin? That they believe Ring0s to have sold silvers and thus forfeiting their sponsorship of the forums.
Decisions, decisions:confused:
jonathan.e
28-02-2002, 14:53
In that case, it’s your round daz. I’ll have a bag of nuts too. :D
cervaro so what your saying is becuase it looks like a typical Ringos email it must be fake:nuts:
Although im not convinced yet i would say the evidence points more against Ringos than for. He had admitted dealing in Silvers (all be it with close friends) and the email is said to be originated from ringos.
One thing that strikes me is that people seem to not care if he is dealing in Silvers becuase they know that their service is good and reliable but last year when StarDVDs fiasco happened most people came down on them becuase they had a history in dealing in Silvers. Probably becuase people were worried that they were dealing with a bunch of con men. So basically we are saying we dont care what you do as long as you dont screw us.
OK, there has been enough speculation regarding this so in order to set the record straight as to why Ringos have been removed as a forums sponsor I have decided to post the reasons why we took the decision to remove their advertising from the site.
I have emails to back up everything I am going to post here - BUT I will not be sending them to anyone, as they are private communications between various individuals and us.
The first we knew of any of this was a thread posted in the DVD and Movie Discussion forum regarding an alleged bootleg purchase from Ringos at Bowlers (the DVD Silver in question was Monsters Inc.) The decision was taken by the forums management at that time to remove the post to prevent any damage to Ringos business if the claim was untrue and to investigate the claim ourselves.
We then were supplied two emails that were allegedly sent by Ringos to a number of their customers, at which time I contacted Ringos directly and asked whether they sent these emails and whether they had indeed been involved in the supply of bootlegs. The answer to the second question was that they had been supplying DVD Silvers.
Further discussion took place between the forums administration team to decide how to handle the situation and it was decided that we would ask Ringos to either stop selling DVD Silvers altogether from the time of that email or we would remove their advertising. Ringos accepted the first option at that time.
We then subsequently sent a blanket email to all forums sponsors regarding this matter stating that if any sponsor from that point forward was found to be supplying pirate material we would immediately drop them as a sponsor and they would forfeit all monies paid.
A couple of weeks or so later we decided to make our policy public knowledge and posted the announcement that is currently accessible from all forums. The same day (23 February) I then received evidence in the form of a third email that was allegedly sent by Ringos on 19 February - over a week AFTER we gave them the ultimatum to stop selling DVD Silvers.
I immediately followed this up with an email to Ringos asking directly whether Ringos themselves sent the email I had received. A telephone conversation followed and Stu said he had indeed sent that last email and it was only sent to '100 people who he trusted'. Of course, this was in direct contravention of our previous request that they cease the distribution of DVD Silvers and as such a decision was taken by the forums administration team to remove Stu's advertising from the site.
The decision to remove the advertising was not taken lightly - we made sure that we knew all of the facts and then took the action that was necessary. We lost a significant amount of our income as part of this decision - Ringos were in fact paying £400/month for their advertising and the loss of this money and the impact on forums finances has yet to be assessed - but it will have huge consequences.
If anyone has any questions regarding this or would like to dispute anything I've posted above then feel free. Other than the final telephone conversation with Ringos I have the emails to back up everything I've said above. I hope that this sets the record straight - especially for those certain people who have accused the forums team of 'covering up the truth'.
Choose to believe whatever you want, but everything above is the truth as far as I am concerned.
Originally posted by Alanok
I guess its make your mind up time folks.
Do you believe Stu and Ring0s that they do not and will not distribute, advertise pirates through their business? That the e-mail's pertaining to be sent from him are indeed fake and have nothing to do with Ring0s.
Or do you take the word of the dvdforum mods and admin? That they believe Ring0s to have sold silvers and thus forfeiting their sponsorship of the forums.
Decisions, decisions:confused:
NO NO NO !! this has NEVER been a row between myself and the FORUMS ADMIN TEAM
as i stated earlier i was naive enough to supply certain people with certain DVDS privately and as such a high profile sponsor of the FORUM , COLINP took his decsion which i respect!!!!
this entire issue has been brewing since well before the NEW YEAR with countless allegations . there are many many things happened over the months ( our site being hacked within days of us providing SECURE ordering against our suppliers wishes , PEOPLE purchasing DVDs and threatening to report the transation to the authorities , etc etc ) CUSTOMS AND EXCISE were indeed ALL OVER BOWLERS LAST WEEK as a more LEVELHEADED rival pionted out earlier in this thread and I and every other trader INSIDE the building was interviewed at great length.
Originally posted by cervaro
Just what I thought when reading through that email. ;)
It looks increasingly obvious that Ringos have been the target of a smear campaign via a fake email (the private sales were stupid, but then they were meant to be just that private, and his personal business and not connected with the company). Makes the forums decision to axe his sponsorship look extremely foolhardy and premature based on such flimsy evidence. Just goes to show why I never trust management to make sensible decisions.
Wonder if the person(s) connected with the creation and distribution of this email are involved with other companies and/or discussion forums? I hope not, or their actions will have serious ramifications if found out for sure.
Hang your heads in shame for being so gullible to fall for such a scam. :nuts:
Whos gulliable now sir
Originally posted by Jimmyboy
But keep following your blind loyalty to your fav supplier whilst being the hypocrite & condeming those who's gut insticts tell them otherwise. :nuts:
I've used them once, so that hardly makes them my favorite supplier. The email doesn't have enough spelling mistakes to make it look genuine to me. That's why I felt it was a fake.
Shame you didn't post your message in the first place Colin. We could have avoided so much speculation.
WildWayz
28-02-2002, 15:10
On 2nd thoughts, I will stay outta this...
James
ColinP can i ask if the 3rd email was the same one that is posted above?
Originally posted by rooster
Whos gulliable now sir
You could at least get the grammar and spelling correct.
I've already posted my reasons for believing the email was fake, and was willing to give Ringos the benefit of the doubt rather than making a judgement based on blind allegiance to those on high.
Better get used to those 'server busy' messages now the money is drying up from lost sponsors. :(
jonathan.e
28-02-2002, 15:13
As Jimmyboy correctly pointed out, Ringos were cautioned after the bootlegs were brought to the forums’ attention, promised they’d stop and it was only after further, continued trading was brought to light that a decision was taken to curtail their sponsorship and advertising. What additional evidence prompted the Forums to make their ultimate decision we may never know but clearly they felt as though the facts were compelling. Ringos have admitted to selling "silvers" (such a nice sounding euphemism for pirates) and according to one of the posts above are also supplying hard core porn from within this country and also maintain stocks of R1 product also within this country.
Folks, whether you agree with any of these practices or not, it is fact that they are all illegal and should dealers who practise in this manner be raided it is everyone who has orders with them that will suffer due to lost money and no product.
If indeed someone is running a smear campaign against Ringos, I don’t see a whole lot of difference between this and what was said about StarDVD. The emails supplied above do have the ring of authenticity about them but I don’t think can be called irrefutable evidence unless they can be tracked back to the source. Unfortunately I think the balance of evidence so far points to wrongdoing by Ringos and I think that the action taken by the Forums has been both proper and necessary.
Well, my minds made up on the issue then.
Thnaks for posting ColinP.
James
Originally posted by WildWayz
On 2nd thoughts, I will stay outta this...
James
2nd thoughts because YOU SUPPLY MT with thier IT SUPPORT and WEBHOSTING ( and moderate ) THEIR FORUM... or just too busy redesigning their WEBSITE to include order tracking...
Originally posted by ring0s
2nd thoughts because YOU SUPPLY MT with thier IT SUPPORT and WEBHOSTING ( and moderate ) THEIR FORUM... or just too busy redesigning their WEBSITE to include order tracking...
What has this to do with MT??
Jimmyboy
28-02-2002, 15:18
Originally posted by cervaro
I've used them once, so that hardly makes them my favorite supplier. The email doesn't have enough spelling mistakes to make it look genuine to me. That's why I felt it was a fake.
Well a spellchecker could have been used and probably was given that Ringos have infact admitted sending the email.
Strange how they didnt post here to confirm that they did send it which would have stopped the growing confusion.:rolleyes:
Oh and by the way 100 people (if thats to be believed) is a very large amount for a group of so called small selected friends.
I think that the forums did the only thing possible all things considered.
Originally posted by jamesking420
What has this to do with MT??
I guess you didn't see what Wildwayz posted before he edited it.
Anyway I think my mind's made up to.
Originally posted by cervaro
You could at least get the grammar and spelling correct.
I've already posted my reasons for believing the email was fake, and was willing to give Ringos the benefit of the doubt rather than making a judgement based on blind allegiance to those on high.
Better get used to those 'server busy' messages now the money is drying up from lost sponsors. :(
Hey sorry about you being embarrased by your misguided hunches but you were the one that was calling everybody who dared to side with Colins actions names . And about the server busy messages ..Whats your point?
WildWayz
28-02-2002, 15:22
Originally posted by ring0s
2nd thoughts because YOU SUPPLY MT with thier IT SUPPORT and WEBHOSTING ( and moderate ) THEIR FORUM... or just too busy redesigning their WEBSITE to include order tracking...
OMG LOL
IT Support...
Webhosting...
Moderating DVDLifestyle
Redesigning their website...
Oh dear.
1. I do not give IT support to them.
2. I do not provide any webhosting for them. Yes, I am starting my own webhosting business and I offered to host their site, but Craig was happy with his current one.
3. Yes I moderate the forums there and help out DVD Crave, Disc Emporium and MT.
4. Yep - I was going to code their new website but Craig was talking about storing CC info in databases and I didn't want anything to do with it incase it is hacked. As far as I know, his webhost (who's designer won various awards in Canada) is going to do it. (I think CC info isn't going to be stored in a DB anymore)
Any more questions Stu?
Also, what I edited out before was "Aren't InterDVD the people who supply you with your discs now? It was MT but now I believe it is InterDVD. Not 100% sure tho"
I removed it as I was indeed not sure - and it was removed extremely quickly.
James
This isn't an issue which involves ********* in any way so why are these things being posted here?
Originally posted by jonathan.e
In that case, it’s your round daz. I’ll have a bag of nuts too. :D
Nuts to that :D
Originally posted by ColinP
I immediately followed this up with an email to Ringos asking directly whether Ringos themselves sent the email I had received. A telephone conversation followed and Stu said he had indeed sent that last email and it was only sent to '100 people who he trusted'.
Nuf said as far as i'm concerned, he's admitted it, and he's been removed. Sounds fair to me
WildWayz
28-02-2002, 15:31
Originally posted by ColinP
This isn't an issue which involves ********* in any way so why are these things being posted here?
Sorry Colin, I don't know if that was in reference to what I just posted.
I did retract my post a little further up as I felt it WAS inappropriate - only reposted it because someone mentioned what I removed.
Then my reply just above was to clarify on what Stu typed.
James
WildWayz - it was in response to all posts about ********* in this thread. The same goes for InterDVD.
Originally posted by ColinP
This isn't an issue which involves ********* in any way so why are these things being posted here?
Originally posted by ColinP
WildWayz - it was in response to all posts about ********* in this thread. The same goes for InterDVD
Someone who agrees with me!!
I did see what WildWayz had posted, but I really don't think the 2 issues are connected.
CraigKORE
28-02-2002, 15:47
At the end of the day for me, it still comes down to who gives a good service. I couldn't care less whether Ringos were supplying bootlegs or not, thats their decision. As long as they keep giving ME what I want, then they will have my custom.
And who on earth wants a UK Reg 1 retailer that stocks all their disks in the USA? That makes no sense to me? I have just started to use Movityme now as well, to see what they are like. But, if they keep ALL their Reg 1 stuff in the USA, then they wont have me as a customer for long, as I dont want to wait a week to get my bloody disks.
I have about 5 regular retailers, which include Ringos, and will also include ********* if they give me what I want.
The worst thing about all the crap that has happened with Ringos, is the smear campaign, spam mail ect. which is carried out by scumbags of the lowest level.
Just received an email from angie riley that says
"i believe i can supply the third email date 19th feb if required . it was sent to flush out the e people behind this..."
There is an attachement which i believei s the email but i will not be opening it for security reasons . I am at my work
Dont understand this either
Originally posted by rooster
Hey sorry about you being embarrased by your misguided hunches but you were the one that was calling everybody who dared to side with Colins actions names . And about the server busy messages ..Whats your point?
If I was bothered about the thought of being wrong I wouldn't have posted or kept on posting asking questions regarding the validity of the Ringos email. ColinP hasn't said if the email that was posted here is the third email, which I haven't noticed Ringos admitting to or ColinP stating he knows for sure it's from them. Maybe it's because I have independent thoughts that I question things and don't like following the collective lemming-like parade to a communal stoning of Ringos.
No money = no server upgrade. Does that make it obvious enough? A Scotsman who doesn't understand the use of money. Never thought I'd live to see the day. ;)
Originally posted by cervaro
If I was bothered about the thought of being wrong I wouldn't have posted or kept on posting asking questions regarding the validity of the Ringos email. ColinP hasn't said if the email that was posted here is the third email, which I haven't noticed Ringos admitting to or ColinP stating he knows for sure it's from them. Maybe it's because I have independent thoughts that I question things and don't like following the collective lemming-like parade to a communal stoning of Ringos.
No money = no server upgrade. Does that make it obvious enough? A Scotsman who doesn't understand the use of money. Never thought I'd live to see the day. ;)
The problem is despite most of the evidence pointing the finger at Ringos your independent thoughts chose to stone Colin Ps actions.
Yes no money = no server upgrade state the obvious why dont you but again what is your point . Are you saying Ringos should be reinstated for the revenue they bring?
rooster/Ring0s
Forward to me,
no problems opening it here..:)
jonathan.e
28-02-2002, 16:00
Originally posted by CraigKORE
carried out by scumbags of the lowest level.
Sure you‘re not talking about the manufacturers of bootlegs and the people who sell them on?
Jimmyboy
28-02-2002, 16:03
Originally posted by rooster
Are you saying Ringos should be reinstated for the revenue they bring?
Well to be fair,
If Ringos are no longer selling pirates & continue to keep their word that they wont be stocking them again, I dont really see any reason why they couldnt come back as forums sponsers at a later date.
jonathan.e
28-02-2002, 16:05
Except that they’ve already proven that they’re happy to break their promises if it suits them. Why should/would they be trusted again?
Originally posted by Jimmyboy
Well to be fair,
If Ringos are no longer selling pirates & continue to keep their word that they wont be stocking them again, I dont really see any reason why they couldnt come back as forums sponsers at a later date.
due to my own naivety , that my take time and a possible person to person meeting between myslf & COLINP before it could ever happen.
ALTHOUGHT we were inspected by HM.CUSTOMS last week at bowlers and given a clean bill of health ( and a couple of leaflets )
thespook
28-02-2002, 16:12
Originally posted by cervaro
No money = no server upgrade. Does that make it obvious enough? A Scotsman who doesn't understand the use of money. Never thought I'd live to see the day. ;)
On a lighter note - Don't worry about the server upgrade cervaro. We've already bought it;) In fact I'm configuring it right now and it should be connected within a matter of days:nuts:
CraigKORE
28-02-2002, 16:17
Originally posted by jonathan.e
Sure you‘re not talking about the manufacturers of bootlegs and the people who sell them on?
Yep, I'm pretty sure. Thanks for asking though. ;)
The third email... according to Ringos,
will be posted if there are no protests from ColinP or Ringos in the next 10 mins.
Lets say @ 17.30.
James
EDIT - think I might of changed my mind.
The internal debate of my brain goes thus:
ColinP says: the emails are private communications. Leading me to think I shouldn't post it.
Ringos says: I'll post it to anyone who wants it, and they have done, both to myself and at least one other member.
Also, the email wasn't a communication between ColinP and Ringos. Colin would only of got it as a forward.
Making me begin to think I should post it (as originally planned - God this is confusing). 4 mins. If there is no word after 4mins then maybe I'll post it, maybe I'll wait till after Neighbours...
Why not forward it to Colin and let him make the decision?
BOZZDUDE
28-02-2002, 17:05
Originally posted by jonathan.e
Sure you‘re not talking about the manufacturers of bootlegs and the people who sell them on?
Maybe he's refering to another e-tailer and their group of lapdogs who will use any number of underhand methods to eliminate the competition.
<B>EDIT</b>: This has nothing to do with the issue being discussed.
Roughneck
28-02-2002, 17:26
Why do we keep getting dragged into this?
The emails above have nothing to do with bootlegs and who chooses to sell them or not as stated above by parties invloved.
The emails above have to do with the fact yet again that i am still owed a huge sum of money (i have been told to keep this off the forum so i am).
I will be more than happy to forward these emails to anyone who wishes to be board to tears by them but this thread has nothing to do with this issue so why do we keep being dragged back into this?
jonathan.e
28-02-2002, 17:27
Originally posted by BOZZDUDE
Maybe he's refering to another e-tailer and their group of lapdogs who will use any number of underhand methods to eliminate the competition.
Ringos have taken themselves out of the game by admitting to selling bootlegs. All the rest of it is just background noise.
Originally posted by craig@*********.com
Why do we keep getting dragged into this?
The emails above have nothing to do with bootlegs and who chooses to sell them or not as stated above by parties invloved.
Craig, I posted because people were asking about them. If people ask they have a right to get the answer. Would you prefer I did it in another thread, maybe called '********* vs Ringos' so you couldn't even post in it (like you have here)??
CraigKORE
28-02-2002, 17:43
Edited
Originally posted by jonathan.e
Ringos have taken themselves out of the game by admitting to selling bootlegs. All the rest of it is just background noise.
Don't buy from them then. Not hard is it? :rolleyes:
<b>EDIT</b>: Not relevant to the issue being discussed.
jonathan.e
28-02-2002, 19:04
Originally posted by Tob
Don't buy from them then. Not hard is it? :rolleyes:
Glad to say I never have and never will.
It beggars belief that someone could get this far into the thread having read all the info and still be asking that Ringos be given a secon...sorry, third chance.
Originally posted by jonathan.e
Glad to say I never have and never will.
It beggars belief that someone could get this far into the thread having read all the info and still be asking that Ringos be given a secon...sorry, third chance.
Snoooooooooze, you are boring me now mate. Go and stick your orders in with ********* but becareful of all those gangsters with guns financed by pirate DVDs :rolleyes:
AndyWilson
28-02-2002, 19:11
All these accusations and counter accusations are getting no-one anywhere.
What no-one disputes is that Ringos have sold pirates and have agreed with the owners that it is no longer appropriate for them to sponsor the forums.
Hopefully they'll keep talking offline and sort something out!
In the meantime all this is probably stopping them replying to my email about an order ;)
manutd123
28-02-2002, 19:25
anyone for a cup of tea? :)
MasterYoda
28-02-2002, 19:45
Kevin Wilcox
See - his name is Kev - I told u ;)
Snoop Dog's Doggystyle delivered yesterday
Is it multi-angle?
:D
PaulDCocker
28-02-2002, 21:29
<B>EDIT</b>: Not relevant.
Originally posted by jamesking420
The 'From' address is craig @ *********.com
The 'to' is Ringos address.
Dated 8th Feb and is as follows:
I think you are confusing the issue. I would have said the third email is the third (or maybe first) email that Ringos sent out to 100 people selling pirated DVD's.
Dave
Originally posted by PaulDCocker
Because you are part of this ... proven by your use of sleezy underhanded tactics and your admitance by email.
Now this is getting really personal.
And btw don't people need to be sleezy to have a successful business??
There is really no point in all this name-calling is there?
I'm offended I wasn't offered any dodgy goods by Ringos, what makes those 100 so special damn it?!! :mad:
Jimmyboy
28-02-2002, 22:24
Originally posted by mythuk
I'm offended I wasn't offered any dodgy goods by Ringos, what makes those 100 so special damn it?!! :mad:
I was offended I wasnt offered a copy of Snoop Dog's Doggystyle !. :D
WildWayz
28-02-2002, 22:36
Originally posted by Jimmyboy
I was offended I wasnt offered a copy of Snoop Dog's Doggystyle !. :D
Do you really wanna see Snoop Doggy Dog doing it?
:shudder:
James
:E
lol yeah, come to think of it me too :mad: I can honestly say i think Ringos is Evil and i won't order from them again . . . . unless they offer me free porn and bootlegs ;) :D
I love this thread and can only hope dvdfan10 posts, that'll make it perfect. :)
Originally posted by thespook
On a lighter note - Don't worry about the server upgrade cervaro. We've already bought it;) In fact I'm configuring it right now and it should be connected within a matter of days:nuts:
Thank heaven for that. :)
Has anyone throughout all this highly entertaining fiasco actually checked the headers of these e-mails to check where they actually came from?
It's very easy to fake someone's e-mail address, but far less simple (though not impossible) to frig the message header in such a way that it looks like it came from the purported originator.
WildWayz
01-03-2002, 09:47
Originally posted by tipicus
Has anyone throughout all this highly entertaining fiasco actually checked the headers of these e-mails to check where they actually came from?
It's very easy to fake someone's e-mail address, but far less simple (though not impossible) to frig the message header in such a way that it looks like it came from the purported originator.
I did offer to analyse ring0s email spam headers but was told his ISP was dealing with it.
The only header I saw on one of the emails never really said much - then again, it wasn't the full headers.
Anyway - no point, ring0s said he sent them.
James
Originally posted by WildWayz
Anyway - no point, ring0s said he sent them.
James
Unless I've missed something (entirely possible) didn't Stu only admit to sending the third one?
WildWayz
01-03-2002, 10:24
Didn't Colin say he called Stu about it and Stu admitted on the phone that the emails were from him inc the 3rd one?
Or did I indeed miss something?
James
Originally posted by WildWayz
Didn't Colin say he called Stu about it and Stu admitted on the phone that the emails were from him inc the 3rd one?
Or did I indeed miss something?
James
Not quite what I said. Stu confirmed that the third email was sent by Ringos. I do not know if the original other two mails were - but the evidence suggests that they were sent from the same place.
WildWayz
01-03-2002, 10:36
Originally posted by ColinP
Not quite what I said. Stu confirmed that the third email was sent by Ringos. I do not know if the original other two mails were - but the evidence suggests that they were sent from the same place.
Thanks for the clarification - and sorry I misunderstood.
James
Originally posted by ColinP
Not quite what I said. Stu confirmed that the third email was sent by Ringos. I do not know if the original other two mails were - but the evidence suggests that they were sent from the same place.
But what email has he admitted to sending Colin? The one that was posted on this thread?
Ringos denies on here sending that one if that was the cae
Originally posted by rooster
But what email has he admitted to sending Colin? The one that was posted on this thread?
Ringos denies on here sending that one if that was the cae
Huh? Colin explicitly stated in his post that Stu admitted to sending the third e-mail. It's the first two that are in dispute.
OK, this is the email they have admitted to sending:
<b>WE GOT A NEW SUPPLIER , SO PRICES ARE DOWN!!!!
£12 EACH , 3 FOR £30 DELIVERED
SHALLOW HAL ( VERY GOOD CAM)
DOMESTIC DISTURBANCE ( VERY GOOD CAM)
MONSTERS INC ( SCREENER/EXCELLENT) BACK INSTOCK
JIMMY NEUTRON ( GOOD CAM)
BEHIND ENEMY LINES ( GOOD CAM)
ALI ( VERY GOOD CAM)
VANILLA SKY ( GOOD CAM)
BLACK HAWK DOWN ( VERY GOOD CAM)
SPY GAMES ( VERY GOOD CAM)
TRAINING DAY
THE MAJESTIC ( SCREENER/EXCELLENT)
HEIST ( SCREENER/EXCELLENT)
A BEAUTIFUL MIND ( SCREENER/EXCELLENT)
OCEANS ELEVEN ( VERY GOOD CAM)
SNOW DOGS ( VERY GOOD CAM)
ALSO WOULD ANY OF YOU BE INTERESTED IN PLAYSTATION 2 GAMES , £15 EACH / 3 FOR £40 !!????? WE SHOULD GET OUR FIRST LIST NEXT WEEKEND!</b>
I am only posting this as it was not a personal email and was received by around 100 people.
Originally posted by ColinP
ALSO WOULD ANY OF YOU BE INTERESTED IN PLAYSTATION 2 GAMES , £15 EACH / 3 FOR £40 !!????? WE SHOULD GET OUR FIRST LIST NEXT WEEKEND!</b>
The plot thickens, 100 close friends???? MMMMM, i don't think so.
Games are a bit dear, even if they are DVD-R's ;)
What does GOOD CAM mean ?
Dave
WildWayz
01-03-2002, 11:16
Originally posted by Dave B
What does GOOD CAM mean ?
Dave
CAM = Camera job.
I think it is like this...
Screener = copied from a real video/DVD released to demo the film at release time.
TeleSync = filmed from the projection box @ a cinema.
Cam = someone with a video cam in the cinema.
I *think* that is what they are.
James
I've not read all the thread properly but, when I was at Bowlers (which was the weekend after Vanilla Sky came out at the cinema) I was very surprised to see Vanilla Sky and Harry Potter on the Ringos stall, which I assume they were selling or they wouldnt be there would they?
Originally posted by WildWayz
Cam = someone with a video cam in the cinema.
How the hell do you get into a cinema with a video camera and then sit there through the film with any of the staff saying anything to you.
Or is it done more by employees etc...
Dave
Wouldn't the sound and picture quality be dire if it was taped from within the cinema? I mean - far worse than normal VHS even.
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