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Also, how do people feel that the first Test will be in Cardiff? A few of the Sky commentators have seen this as a controversial choice for the opening game.
Traditionally the opening match in a test series is always held at Lords but we have such a poor record there that the powers that be have moved it to Cardiff. I have no problem with other grounds being used or the game being taken to other parts of the country but I am worried about the wickets at the ground which this season so far have not been great and way below test match standard. I also have an issue about the weather as it seem to rain more in Wales than anywhere but I guess we will just have to see.
I think this will be another close series and there is no doubt that the Aussies are not as strong as they were back in 2005 and apart from their victory in South Africa they have struggled. A lack of a decent spinner has hurt them but they will be more than a match for England.
TigaSefi
10-06-2009, 18:43
Home advantage will give us a chance. That is if Flintoff can be fit. He seems to be breaking down more often these days.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/england/8087215.stm
He might make the first test but I am not convinced that he will make it through the entire series without getting injured as it seems to be his way these days.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/england/8134166.stm
Who did Ian Bell pay to get in then as apart from the start of the season, he has done nothing with the bat. That apart the rest of the side was pretty obvious and Onions has deserved his place in the squad.
Bell getting in is a joke - any idea why the selectors even bothered to turn up at the Lions game?
poissony
05-07-2009, 12:41
Whilst I don't agree with Bell being in, his average against the Aussies is good which is why he was picked.
Looking ahead, Prior worries me as a wicket keeper as does KP's & Flintoff's fitness. Monty needs to find some form. However, no side is perfect and I'm happy that the side/squad has enough ability to win this series. A lot will depend on Strauss, it will be interesting to see how good a captain he is.
Anybody off to Cardiff? I'm making my way there for the Saturday, and although I'm looking forward to the cricket, its a bit of a nightmare me getting there (From Newcastle)!!!
Can't wait until Wednesday.
spearce8
06-07-2009, 11:03
Who did Ian Bell pay to get in then as apart from the start of the season, he has done nothing with the bat.
He is only a back-up should there be an injury don't forget that, yes he as no form, he does though have the experience, and I just can't think of anyone else at the minute :thinking: that processes that, and with Bopara at 3 you can't really have 2 rookies in those early positions.
Anybody off to Cardiff? I'm making my way there for the Saturday, and although I'm looking forward to the cricket, its a bit of a nightmare me getting there (From Newcastle)!!!
Can't wait until Wednesday.
i'm going on the 5th day - seeing as I live in Cardiff seemed worth the shot ;)
He is only a back-up should there be an injury don't forget that, yes he as no form, he does though have the experience, and I just can't think of anyone else at the minute :thinking: that processes that, and with Bopara at 3 you can't really have 2 rookies in those early positions.
Indeed you dont want a rookie in a pressure situation you need Ian Bell he's been proven not to bottle it when the pressure is on....oh wait
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/other_international/australia/8135950.stm
Big blow for the Aussies if Lee misses the first 2 tests!
Famous last words probably but I bet he makes it for Wednesday although I will be very happy if he doesn't.
If it's a choice of facing Lee or Siddle, even though I rate the latter, I'll take Siddle all day long :D Imagine that, no Warne, McGrath or Lee :nuts:
Yup Alan, who's to say the Aussies aren't just playing this one up a bit ;)
EDIT - Confirmed on the news he is out for the 1st test.
Aussies have said in a Press Conference he is definitely out!
Excellent news :clap:
Any word on his availability for the second test yet ?
Slim chance they say - he has a slight tear in his rib muscle so its probably dependent on how the first test goes!
I see McGrath is talking his usual rubbish ahead of the Ashes, again saying it'll be a 5-0 job for the Aussies. Didn't he say that in 2005?
McGrath has a habit of saying the wrong thing - especially when sledging
Glenn McGrath (to Sarwan) : Hey, how does brian lara's dick taste?
Sarwan : i dunno ask your wife!
spearce8
07-07-2009, 14:19
Glenn McGrath (to Sarwan) : Hey, how does brian lara's dick taste?
Sarwan : i dunno ask your wife!
Didn't Sarwan add to that by saying "You'd better hurry up, I hear She ain't got long"
Reference too McGrath's wife suffering from Breast Cancer, She has died since.
Now that is a sledge :|
Did he? Blimey that's a bit harsh. I know he went on to smack McGrath and the Aussies all over the shop in that Test.
Nah, I think that's a bit added to spice things up.
Cardiff is supposed to be spinner friendly. Wonder if the pretender to Warne's crown will get any wickets.
Wonder if the pretender to Warne's crown will get any wickets.
Possibly but he will also go for a few runs along the way as he is not what you would call a holding bowler.
Arthur Fowler
08-07-2009, 10:01
And we're off!
Just started watching the Sky Player coverage - no Shane Warne on the list of commentators today though?
Stuart Clark left out of the Aussies team so Hilfenhaus and Hauritz both playing! England go with the 2 spinners and are batting first having won the toss!
Art Vanderlay
08-07-2009, 10:06
Sky Player died after 2 balls for me :(
One thing I didn't realise is that Sky Player is free all the time (not just for the Ashes) for Broadband Max customers, which was a pleasant surprise.
Art Vanderlay
08-07-2009, 10:11
Just started watching the Sky Player coverage - no Shane Warne on the list of commentators today though?
Isn't Warne playing in a poker tournament atm? I read in yesterdays paper that he flew over for a charity match, then back to Vegas to play poker.
horseflesh
08-07-2009, 10:28
Looks pretty good on Sky HD.
I'm Irish so don't claim to know much about cricket.....but 19-nil to England already, that's quite a thrashing right??
Holy ****!! It's 20-nil now, the Australians should just go home!!!!
Cook gone. 21-1. Amazing catch apparently.
Arthur Fowler
08-07-2009, 11:51
Oh dear - not going at all well :(
90 - 3
Cook, Strauss and Bopara out
Hmmm. We need a big stand now from KP and Colly.
Bad timing losing Bopara then :(
KP the main hope again? :oh-hum:
midknight
08-07-2009, 11:54
pieterson is still in england need 300 +
England bowling by the end of the day has to be on the cards now. Is it bad that I have already looked at the weather forecast?
Well Fintoff has been better with the bat recently and Prior is capable of getting a score. Broad and Swann can bat as well so if we can avoid collapsing we have enough left to see us through to tomorrow.
Englands batsmen just arn't coping now, pieterson looks all at sea and frankly the bowling hasn't been that special I have no idea whats got into them
TigaSefi
08-07-2009, 12:46
Aussie terror!! that what! Pietersen out of them all should know better.
si2k2000
08-07-2009, 13:25
Looks pretty good on Sky HD!
Hmmm I was just about to post to see if anyone else thought the picture quality was poor. It doesn't seem anywhere near as good as the cricket normally does and compare it to the TdF on Eurosport HD the difference in quality is night and day.
Collingwood and Pietersen both pass 50. Good knocks so far, 194-3.
Boycott "They've left England plodding and padding away against these two spinners for the last hour now. On the first day of a test match? You've got to be kidding me."
LouBarlow
08-07-2009, 14:36
:lol: Good old Geoffrey
TigaSefi
08-07-2009, 14:37
Defensive fielding for the win. However we should have been punishing them for this. Nice to see them both get over 50's.
I think I could play these spinners
KP very lucky. That looked plumb on first viewing and the replay proved it was. Good job they aren't using the referral system :lol:
Those two spinners gave me great hope for our chances this summer - they didn't score many off them but were never in any trouble - more spinning pitches please!
Collingwood good after yet another good innings coming in at a bad time. I dont know what it is with him but he always seems to play his best when the situation is most dire
Isn't Warne playing in a poker tournament atm? I read in yesterdays paper that he flew over for a charity match, then back to Vegas to play poker.
Sky made a big thing of him joining the commentary team so is he not present ?
What an awful shot by KP, that would have been a wide in one day cricket, he should have left it alone as that is just what the Aussies would have wanted - to see the back of him.
Shocking shot from Pietersen. You'll see that in amateur Sunday leagues. Still, good knock, and to be fair he should have been out LBW.
what the hell was that - he had plenty of time to back out of the shot. It wasn't there to be hit silly silly silly. Another of our batsman out stupidly rather than being bowled out.
LouBarlow
08-07-2009, 16:31
Sky made a big thing of him joining the commentary team so is he not present ?
They have said he will be joining them from tomorrow I believe
Fred looking in decent nick :suspect:
Prior and Freddie running wild here.
TigaSefi
08-07-2009, 16:56
Nice 50 for Prior. His 4's just prior to the 50 were excellent.
Ah blast - Freddie out playing on to his stumps but that partnership has really swung things our way I reckon today. Hopefully Prior can lead us past the 350 and towards 400 tomorrow morning.
Freddie gone chopping on. 327-6.
WTF - did we learn nothing from the West Indies and the use of night watchmen?
Fred looking in decent nick :suspect:
You just had to say that didn't you :D
That was a good partnership and Flintoff looked in good nick which he should be after that brutal innings he played a week or so ago in a 20/20 match.
Prior is continuing his good run of form with that bat and whatever total we end up with be down to him.
I really don't understand our obsession with the nightwatchmen especially as you only have the tail-enders to come.
LouBarlow
08-07-2009, 17:09
What is the point with 4 wickets left anyway? Protecting Broad? :lol: :nuts:
edit - jinx, no comebacks
j to tha l-o
08-07-2009, 17:13
Aussie bowling looks no threat at all. 500 should have been posted here, and it still could be done. Broad is no mug with the bat. He could get a decent score against the pies these Aussies are throwing down.
Great delivery to clean out Prior from Siddle - Aussies fighting back here!
And Prior goes now and the Aussies have their 7th wicket. It is a bit frustrating that so many batsman have got starts but have not gone on towards three figures.
It was a good inswinger though.
j to tha l-o
08-07-2009, 17:16
Here comes Broady
336-7 at the close - great run total for the day's work but those 2 late wickets were a blow. Need to get close to 400 tomorrow and put all the pressure on the Aussies when they bat.
Decent days cricket from both sides. 336-7 with Anderson, Broad, Swann and Monty left.
j to tha l-o
08-07-2009, 17:25
Losing 7 wickets against that bowling is very disappointing. A few generous gifts has kept Australia very much in the hunt.
Losing 7 wickets against that bowling is very disappointing. A few generous gifts has kept Australia very much in the hunt.
Have to agree with this but it is a decent total for the first day and if Broad can push us towards 400 our two spinners should be the key as it looks like this pitch is going to be helpful to the slow bowlers.
About even I'd say. Broad and Swann can bat so hopefully we can get near 400 tomorrow, which should be a good score.
frdsmth9
09-07-2009, 05:39
KP played a dumb shot , it at all Eng loose the match he is responsible after playing so well.
I hope ENG wins the match.
Swann certainly can bat and if he was playing for Notts he always comes in above Broad. Just hope he keeps his head and bats sensibly as he can get a bit over excited and start swinging at everything.
There was a time when he opened up the batting in T20 for Notts and scored nearly 100 v Derby.
375 from here would be fantastic.
j to tha l-o
09-07-2009, 08:43
375 is big odds on and expected.
400 would be ok.
425 would be good from here.
450+ would be fantastic. :)
LouBarlow
09-07-2009, 09:48
No Warne again - maybe he is nursing one of his legendary 48 hour hangovers?
Swann is going :nuts: out there :lol:
Didn't think we'd get to 400. Anything now is a bonus.
Tail wagging very nicely here. 411-8.
TigaSefi
09-07-2009, 11:09
I hope Swann gets his 50....
nutter45
09-07-2009, 11:10
375 from here would be fantastic.
:)
Monty fails to get into double figures and Swann falls short of a well deserved 50
England would have taken 400 today so 435 is good.
Arthur Fowler
09-07-2009, 11:24
Great morning for England, and with the ball moving around, our bowlers must be itching to get stuck in. :)
Our bowlers are kind of letting the pressure off here by giving them plenty of bad balls to hit.
j to tha l-o
09-07-2009, 12:02
They looked even more impotent than the tame Aussie bowlers.
They looked even more impotent than the tame Aussie bowlers.
Flintoff seems up for it though.
TigaSefi
09-07-2009, 14:01
99-1 :nono:
yeah so much for our spinners filling their boots. aussies will be loving this. best we can hope for now is enough rain to get the draw. we really are rubbish.
Greemie666
09-07-2009, 14:21
we really are rubbish.
Why do people take such delight in making such moronic statements.
You clearly know nothing about the game.
It can only take a single wicket for a game to change on it's head. I think that Monty needs to get a wicket though as he doesn't look confident at all.
TigaSefi
09-07-2009, 14:27
What moronic about 124-1 ? Aussie win all the way from here onwards. They'll get close or overtake our score. England get skittled out for cheap runs and they will successfully chase it down.
Greemie666
09-07-2009, 14:32
What moronic about 124-1 ? Aussie win all the way from here onwards. They'll get close or overtake our score. England get skittled out for cheap runs and they will successfully chase it down.
They are still 300 runs behind, there are still more than 10 sessions to go, the wicket will change substantially over the next 4 days.
It is impossible to predict the outcome af a test match just after lunch on day 2.
What moronic about 124-1 ? Aussie win all the way from here onwards. They'll get close or overtake our score. England get skittled out for cheap runs and they will successfully chase it down.
Can you give me next Saturday's lottery results as well please?
Unless we get a few quick wickets, the afternoon session belongs to the aussies.
TigaSefi
09-07-2009, 14:48
I bet you I am on the money ;)
Hood, take the numbers from Lost, multiply it by 10 then divide by 7 and there's your numbers. :)
435 was excellent total made even more special that the Aussies coach wanted to keep us down to 360. If the morning belonged to England the afternoon has belonged to the Aussies as they are now completely on top.
Niceguygeoff
09-07-2009, 16:26
Yup. Where's the next wicket coming from? :(
Punter in this sort of mood is nigh on impossible to remove - just have to hope for tired minds in the last hour :(
The best time to get Ponting is when he first comes into bat as he has a habit of getting his feat stuck right in front of the stumps, if you don't get him early then usually he will make you pay as it looks like is doing right now. Suddenly our 435 doesn't look that impressive :(
249-1 at the close - massive job on the cards tomorrow to limit the damage :(
Better hope the pitch starts turning even more then :lol: Still got Hussey, Clarke, North, Haddin and Johnson to bat :nuts:
You can say that again, in the end a really disappointing day which started to well. The Aussies have shown that despite what some in the media would have you believe, they are the best test team around.
Our bowling was a bit off to start with and I think the lack of discipline has cost us. Swann bowled well but Panesar looks to be lacking something. Flintoff as always gave his all
I take it all back we're clearly lulling them into a false sense of security. :)
It's just the same old story from England, do half the job reasonably well and then no ability to really hurt teams. Incredibly frustrating.
England batters should have gone on to make big scores and we're paying for that now
^ Very true, the two Aussies that have got starts have both gone on to get hundreds where by ours managed to get themselves out (ala KP). I can't help but think that the Aussies are set for a big total, perhaps around 650 and then we will be under pressure to save the match. The weather isn't looking to great for Saturday but at the rate both teams are scoring even if we lost quite a few overs in the match I still think we will see a positive result.
poor batting from england as per usual
650+ from the aussies, enagland all out for 150 in the second innings :(
still average joe
09-07-2009, 21:05
Can somone help a cricket novice?
I was listening to five live today when they were talking about Kevin Peterson getting out. Somone said that some credit should be given to the bowler as he probibly saw Peterson shaping up for the shot so intentionally bowled in such a way to entice him to do what he did. Is that right? Do bowlers wait till right at the end of their run up and decide on a suitable, tactical bowl at that point. I always wondered why bowlers get so much credit when a fielder catches.
It is the bowlers responsibility to put the ball in an area that will cause the batsman a problem. For example if the batsman nicks the ball behind to the keeper it is probably because the bowler has bowled the ball close enough to the stumps to cause some doubt in the batters mind as to werther to play the ball or not. With KPs dismissal the bowler saw that KP was already shaping to play the shot before the ball was released so bowled it wider in an attempt to stop him playing a scoring shot, the added bonus this time around was that the shot was so poor that the ball ballooned up and a catch was taken. Not all wickets are taken with good balls as sometimes a really bad one will be sent down only for the batter to smack it right to a catcher or something.
Professional bowlers will normally bowl to a plan, but the batsman will attempt to get one over the bowler by rushing their delivery. KP attempted to pre-empt the bowler, and the bowler was clever enough to see KP's intention and push the delivery wider than normal. Its not the norm though. A bowler will have their stock ball mixed up with some variety and will always be bowling to a plan (at professional level). That's why you'll see the bowler setting the field with the captain, as he's bowling to the field.
LouBarlow
10-07-2009, 03:41
I think they give the bowler too much credit for KP's wicket :lol:
nutter45
10-07-2009, 09:19
It's just the same old story from England, do half the job reasonably well and then no ability to really hurt teams. Incredibly frustrating.
I'm not sure you can really blame them that much.
They didn't bowl that badly, apart from giving the aussies an easy start. The ball didn't swing or seam yesterday, and didn't even spin that much. It looks an easy wicket to bat on.
The most frustrating bit is the number of wickets we gave away on day 1 with batsmen well set. Only Prior got a really good delivery.
Niceguygeoff
10-07-2009, 09:35
Well, as long as England don't collapse in their 2nd Innings (whenever that will come :nuts: ) then we should be set for the draw, as I can't see the Aussies losing from such a dominant position on this inert pitch.
TigaSefi
10-07-2009, 09:36
Sounds like the old ECC telling the groundmen to set teh pitch for 5 day games in order to avoid refunds.
Sounds like the old ECC telling the groundmen to set teh pitch for 5 day games in order to avoid refunds.
that's what happened with the aus vs SA match in perth last year. there are a couple of wickets at the WACA that are back to the old snarly vicious ones, but they played on a crappy dead one just so that they got 5 days in. *****. and then we lost.:doh:. i was there on day 2 and it was the perfect advert for why T20 is so popular, ****house boring all day; until johnson had that dynamite spell in the last hour.
That is what makes test cricket so good, the fact that games *can* change on their head in an hour. looking at the start of today, you'd have to say that given yesterday's play Australia will bat all day and make 600 - but it can all change and we could quite easily be all out with a first innings deficit.
Hopefully the forecast rain will save us
:clap: A wicket at last.
And another. 325-3.
We have to get Ponting out though.
Arthur Fowler
10-07-2009, 11:43
...and Ponting has gone :clap:
Punting goes!
**** bowl **** shot
Greemie666
10-07-2009, 12:02
Punting goes!
**** bowl **** shot
Perfect example of England "supporters" attitude.
England win - reaction - the opposition were ****
England lose - reaction - England were ****
England draw - reaction - England should have won and are ****
:cuckoo:
good first session from england - we still need more wickets but I think we are in with a shout now. Still feel a draw is the most likely result as we only really have a day more 'wear' on this pitch.
Perfect example of England "supporters" attitude.
England win - reaction - the opposition were ****
England lose - reaction - England were ****
England draw - reaction - England should have won and are ****
:cuckoo:
Eh? I said it was a crap bowl and a crap shot i.e. both the bowler and batsman made a mistake
How that equates to a typical supporters attitude :shrug: I swear some people read posts with blinkers on
Perfect example of England "supporters" attitude.
England win - reaction - the opposition were ****
England lose - reaction - England were ****
England draw - reaction - England should have won and are ****
:cuckoo:
not accusing vulture of this, but....
i really dislike the whole footballisation (new word?) of the cricket supporter thing that's happened in england over the past 10 years or so. I was at an england/NZ ODI a couple of years ago and there was a bunch of barmy army ******* who were making a real effort to start a fight with a bunch of (very good humoured) kiwi lads half a block in front of them. the fact that the kiwis looked like tossers in the brown ODI kit (including pads!) is irrelevant.
Aussies looking rock solid again here - 500+ easily on the cards on what seems a really boring wicket. Seems we're guilty of what the Windies did in generating a flat five day wicket :(
Aussies looking rock solid again here - 500+ easily on the cards on what seems a really boring wicket. Seems we're guilty of what the Windies did in generating a flat five day wicket :(
with tomorrow looking to be (mainly at least) rained out, a draw is realistically the only result. (unless someone collapses in spectacular fashion)
Aussies looking rock solid again here - 500+ easily on the cards on what seems a really boring wicket. Seems we're guilty of what the Windies did in generating a flat five day wicket :(
Well after hearing Glamorgan blew the other bids out of the water by saying they will pay the ECB £3.1M for this test they have to try and get as much cricket in as possible. I hope it rains all day tomorrow so they have to refund every penny of the days play. :razz:
TigaSefi
10-07-2009, 14:41
What? they actually bidded 3million ? no wonder the pitch is dull as ditchwater!!!
Well after hearing Glamorgan blew the other bids out of the water by saying they will pay the ECB £3.1M for this test they have to try and get as much cricket in as possible. I hope it rains all day tomorrow so they have to refund every penny of the days play. :razz:
Its just ludicrous that the ECB puts money ahead of competition :oh-hum:
What? they actually bidded 3million ? no wonder the pitch is dull as ditchwater!!!
Apparently so and according to the press they were told that the match had to last 5 days...
Is there any sport which seems to have so many crazy administrators like Cricket? ECB is always making a mess, Windies cricket board is permanently in flux, Pakistan cricket board is seemingly rotating selectors by the day, Indian cricket board is attempting a takeover of the entire planet and the ICC is a complete shambles at the best of times!
To be fair the cardiff pitch has played like this all season. Good spinners have exploited it through pressure and putting uncertainty in the minds of the batsmans Swann (one full toss an over) and Panesar (dropping short on a slow pitch) havn't done this - thats poor bowling not a poor pitch.
horseflesh
10-07-2009, 18:17
Is there any sport which seems to have so many crazy administrators like Cricket? ECB is always making a mess, Windies cricket board is permanently in flux, Pakistan cricket board is seemingly rotating selectors by the day, Indian cricket board is attempting a takeover of the entire planet and the ICC is a complete shambles at the best of times!
Come over here, cricket's slowly gaining a little bit of popularity :thumbs:
Bapapapa
11-07-2009, 08:38
No Warne again - maybe he is nursing one of his legendary 48 hour hangovers?He got knocked out of the WSOP Main Event last night so should be there soon.. :nuts:
Hamps and Durham were kind of told £1.6M was a guide price. Durham bid more like £2M to try and secure it but Glamorgan bid loads more so they knew they would blow everyone else out the water.
They said the money offered was worth 50% of the rating the ECB score them on and then other things like facilities etc are rated far lower. :oh-hum:
TBH the facilities at cardiff are pretty damn good as well as the accessibility. Should try it before you knock it.
Strauss is winding me up, the spinners look good slowing the run rate and looking dangerous after trying an hour of ineffective seaming so he takes the new ball
You don't start holding debut test matches at venues during the Ashes - ludicrous thinking and its turned this game into a total dull fest that I can be hardly bothered watching. If I wanted to watch games with 3 1/3 days gone and we've had 15 wickets and nearly 1100 runs, I'd go watch some sub-continent bat-a-thon.
I have to agree with John, as the home team we should be preparing the pitches for our bowlers not on behalf of the ECB who want to match to last the full five days to maximize their revenue.
Aussies record total in an Ashes game is 729 so we can safely say a declaration of 730+ is on the cards here. The main winners from this game for England are Steve Harmison and Adil Rashid - both of our spinners have been out bowled by Hauritz and I think Swann especially is finding what Test matches are really about.
This match is just so dull and a terrible way to start the series.
Better news - Lords next up which always produces exciting games and positive results.
Erm, maybe not :(
Aussies record total in an Ashes game is 729 so we can safely say a declaration of 730+ is on the cards here.
Ponting will also have his eye on the weather which could disrupt his plans (hopefully). The ease at how these batsman have performed is something our guys need to learn from, none of them have given their wickets away after getting a start and they have just scored at ease without our bowlers really troubling them.
Yay - a wicket and its also brought the declaration on as well!
England 1 or 2 down by Tea? :lol:
Right where is this much promised rain :suspect:
I am a bit surprised that Ponting declared when he did as he could have let Mitchel Johnson go out there with complete free license to smack the ball around and perhaps try and get a lead towards 300.
NicolaUK
11-07-2009, 14:00
TBH the facilities at cardiff are pretty damn good as well as the accessibility. Should try it before you knock it.
As someone who has spent time at the Sussex's County Ground, the facilities look excellent in comparison. That place is in a 50's time warp where you sit on park benches for 7 hours.
Mr NicolaUK
TigaSefi
11-07-2009, 14:10
:lol: I am still on the money!!!!
Greemie666
11-07-2009, 14:34
:lol: I am still on the money!!!!
You must be very pleased with yourself. :razz:
Niceguygeoff
11-07-2009, 14:35
Jesus H Corbett, they're two down already. Where's that ******* rain????
arrggghhh
after not giving how many plum ones they give one going over
2 down
Innings defeat locked on if KP is out cheap here :(
Greenie we (well I certainly) take no pleasure in it and bopara was a touch unlucky there but decades of watching the england cricket team teach you to expect us to crumble.
I'd like nothing more than for us to bat out the rest of match and sneak a draw, I'd gladly take a day of rain but the truth is that once again we're not upto the job.
TigaSefi
11-07-2009, 14:42
You must be very pleased with yourself. :razz:
Don't get me wrong, I want an england win. BUT the captain Strauss is ****. He hasn't a ******* clue about bowling witness the "slow bowliing" today. ECB deserves EVERYTHING they get for giving it the highest bidder as we found out.
Greemie666
11-07-2009, 16:18
Don't get me wrong, I want an england win. BUT the captain Strauss is ****. He hasn't a ******* clue about bowling witness the "slow bowliing" today. ECB deserves EVERYTHING they get for giving it the highest bidder as we found out.
I accept that you may not be happy about the result and that you may not fall into that group, but it seems to me that there are many who prefer England to lose. They take far more pleasure in saying how crap England are after a defeat than they ever would from a victory.
For what it's worth, I agree that we have played poorly in this test and hope for a substantial improvement in time for Headingley. I have tickets for days 2 and 3.
I agree that we have played poorly in this test and hope for a substantial improvement in time for Headingley. I have tickets for days 2 and 3.
I would hope that we improve all around for Lords let alone Headingley. The Aussies do deserve to win this which they should do tomorrow, weather permitting but we have got to go away and look at ourselves. I can't be the only one who was surprised that the bowlers were celebrating conceding hundred runs, that is not the sort of thing that should be seen when you are being hit all over the place.
Its still a good batting track. A bit of Geoffrey is called for
Or a bit of Atherton and Russell, trouble is I can't see anyone playing an innings like that.
Weather forecast doesn't sound that promising (in that there should be lots of play with a few showers here and there).
Sky are saying that there will be rain this morning with it being better this afternoon. Also England have to face 98 overs as we are making time up although I can't see it going right to the end.
LouBarlow
12-07-2009, 09:45
I can see it being done by tea. We need KP to play for the team rather than himself. It's all very well saying 'that's how I play' but he needs to adjust his game.
gonna stick my neck out and say we gonna get a draw ,unlesswe get some bad decisions , Kp getting into the aussies in the warmup him and johnson in a standoff with johnson getting dragged away by clarke .
Scrub that KP prediction - over by Tea is definitely on the cards now.
Awful shot, KP should know that Hilfenhaus bowls closely to the stumps so he goes and leaves a straight one.
Niceguygeoff
12-07-2009, 10:23
I hope England get skittled out sooner rather than later, so as not to prolong the agony.
Greemie666
12-07-2009, 10:26
The reason KP got out because he's not playing his natural game. It's not in his nature to leave any ball as shown in his first innings dismissal.
too many shots first inns not enough 2nd
The reason KP got out because he's not playing his natural game. It's not in his nature to leave any ball as shown in his first innings dismissal.
I had a feeling it was on the cards after the hammering he took for his 1st innings dismissal - he can respond badly to that sort of stick for the next couple of innings.
LouBarlow
12-07-2009, 10:45
Make that over by lunch...
Strauss caught off Hauritz - a pitiful effort from England again this :oh-hum:
All over by lunch then. Hauritz is showing how slow bowlers should bowl on this pitch and we are not going down without a fight.
Apostate
12-07-2009, 10:46
Pretty clear now we've no chance whatsoever of regaining the Ashes.
Why can't they play in the 1st match me a series? Pitiful effort
Pretty clear now we've no chance whatsoever of regaining the Ashes.
I wouldn't say that . Don't forget we lost the first match in 2005.
Pretty clear now we've no chance whatsoever of regaining the Ashes.
We got hammed in the first test back in 2005 and look what happened then as we turned it around. Based on the evidence so far we have got to work hard and quickly to try and turn this around. Our bowlers just didn't look like they were going to take any wickets and the two spinners were disappointing haven taken just the one wicket between them.
At least we were on the front foot with the ball at times in that first test in 05 - Aussies will have received a massive boost from this match whilst no England player is feeling good at the moment. Their best bowlers in this 1st test have been their 'weakest' bowlers in Hauritz and Hilfenhaus - Michell Johnson will get better and they've still Brett Lee/Stuart Clark in reserve as well! :eek:
EDIT: Collingwood is absolutely living on the edge - nearly caught at short leg and then he's nearly bowled straight after as well!
Prior is another Hauritz victim - horrendous looking shot really :oh-hum:
Our spinners couldn't do it but Hauritz is looking like a world beater at the moment and our batsman are helping him with some poor shots (again). This will be all over just after lunch I would have thought.
TigaSefi
12-07-2009, 11:29
:lol: shamefully pathetic.
Greemie666
12-07-2009, 11:53
I wouldn't say that . Don't forget we lost the first match in 2005.
And in 1981.
Most of those first matches tended to be at Lords where we have a rubbish record - shame the next match is now there as well thanks to the ECB :thumbs:
4 wickets left and it should have 3 as Broad looked LBW first ball but given not out. Only Collingwood left as the recognizable batsmen - typical Colly innings but bar Flintoff, no support at all.
And I don't think the Aussies have bowled that well today, especially after lunch where Johnson has sprayed the ball all over the place but they have still picked up wickets.
Broad gone LBW to Hauritz and still 80 runs behind - 6 for Hauritz in the match now.
LouBarlow
12-07-2009, 14:50
Just Collingwood left at the end then?
169-7 at Tea - Swann getting worked over by Siddle but still surviving - still so many overs to play though and with only Jimmy A and Panesar left, Aussies in total command.
Regardless of whether we make it or not colly can be happy with his contributon, why couldn't a couple more have shown his desire.
This partnership shows how dead this pitch has been for the whole match.
bugger, come on lads just stick in there for little while longer.
Johnson has looked poor this spell. Glad punter has kept him on so long
Arthur Fowler
12-07-2009, 17:02
Oh no - colly gone :(
Greemie666
12-07-2009, 17:03
Great knock from Colly. looks like it was in vain tho now.
Arthur Fowler
12-07-2009, 17:22
How exciting is this?!
TigaSefi
12-07-2009, 17:22
:lol: Australia will have to bat now to win :nuts:
and I been told that 2 overs will be scrubbed too.
Jimmy and Monty, who would have thunk it? Crowd are going crazy!
Greemie666
12-07-2009, 17:36
I think this will be the greatest draw in England history.
Amazed Ponting is putting North in again.
But gripping stuff, I am on the edge of my seat here.
Can't believe he hasn't if given Hilfenhaus a bowl?
Niceguygeoff
12-07-2009, 17:39
Eeek! They might just pull it off!
Sounds like loads of confusion about what happens now. Bet the umpires had never even considered this at the start of the day!
Arthur Fowler
12-07-2009, 17:41
Should be over - surely. Time's out.
What an escape!!!!! :clap:
TigaSefi
12-07-2009, 17:43
Lucky!!! Monty did well.
ralph wiggum
12-07-2009, 17:43
Well done Monty & Anderson. :clap:
I wonder what the odds were on that today!
Gutted I don't have Sky now, Ponting's face must be a picture!
He looked absolutely drained at the end :lol:
There you go Ponting, thats what you get for arguing with the umpires :clap:
Stick that where the sun don't shine matey :lol:
We'll probably still lose the Ashes but to just wipe that smile of his smug face...priceless! :thumbs:
Greemie666
12-07-2009, 17:46
Fantastic performance from the last pair. Monty was superb :clap::clap::notworthy:notworthy
Tail were superb today, Colly, Anderson and Panesar have saved that for us. Massive boost for England to get anything from that performance and the Aussies will be gutted. We need to really push on and improve across the board for next week now.
LouBarlow
12-07-2009, 17:49
:lol: @ the 2 changes of gloves and the chubby physio running on in the penultimate over :lol:
Monty Panesar's cult status absolutely assured now.
What an effort from Colly, Swann, Jimmy and Monty :D Monty survived 69 balls!
Can't wait for the pasting Punter will get off the Aussie press tomorrow - no Hilfenhaus at all in the last 40/50 minutes and a part timer in North bowling at the end! :nuts: :lol:
:lol: @ the 2 changes of gloves and the chubby physio running on in the penultimate over :lol:
What the **** was that about :nuts:.. that was just desperate... but funny :lol:
Really gutsy stuff by Colly and Swann... and then Jimmy and Monty. Shame the rest of the batsman don't seem to value their wickets like the tail do.
TigaSefi
12-07-2009, 17:56
8am in Sydney now yeah ? cos www.smh.com.au hasn't updated the results. Probably just getting over the shock.
Brilliant stuff from Colly and the tail-enders who owed us something from this match after their poor bowling.
I can't but help think that Ponting missed a trick or two with his bowling opitions today, quite why he kept bowling Johnson when he was all over the place was beyond me. And his choice of the second spinner at the end was in my opinion wrong, I would have gone with either Clarke or Katich.
8am in Sydney now yeah ? cos www.smh.com.au hasn't updated the results. Probably just getting over the shock.
I wonder if they saved this article just in case
http://www.smh.com.au/world/science/words-can-ease-pain-i-swear-20090712-dhfi.html
Great stuff from the tail today, but there was no need for the fat physio and the bald bearded glove swapper. It just gave the Aussies something else to whinge about and use as an excuse.
Great stuff from the tail today, but there was no need for the fat physio and the bald bearded glove swapper. It just gave the Aussies something else to whinge about and use as an excuse.
They would have done the same had the situation had been reversed, of that I have no doubt. It is nice to finally be on the other end of one of these late late draws after we twice failed to take the last West Indies wicket during the winter.
They would have done the same had the situation had been reversed, of that I have no doubt.
Oh, I agree, but it would have been nice to sit with a self satisfied smile while they struggled to find something to complain about without giving them ammunition. After all, they did try and take the moral high ground with the no swearing, spitting and sledging comment, and I then spotted Punter doing all three today!
LouBarlow
12-07-2009, 18:31
Brilliant stuff from Colly and the tail-enders who owed us something from this match after their poor bowling.
I don't think the bowling was that bad to be honest. It was just an unhelpful pitch, suited to batting, and unfortunately our own shocking display on that count, made the Australian bowlers look better than they were. We threw our wickets away a good 90% of the time with poor shots, rather than the Australian's bowling that well, in my opinion.
To may times our bowlers were to erratic with where they were putting the ball and gave away to many easy runs. Fair enough it was a flat pitch but if you are not going to bowl a straight line and length then not only are you limiting your wicket taking chances but you are also going to go for a few which is what happened. Neither of our spinners come out of this with any plus points as they were both really disappointing.
I reckon Harmy will be in for Lords. Didn't expect Anderson and Monty to last long, but they did England proud.
Apostate
12-07-2009, 18:45
What an escape! Bizarre captaincy from Ponting putting his slow bowlers against the tail.
that was the best £25 I have spent in a very very long time. Atmosphere in grandstand was superb - who says test cricket it dead?
I reckon Harmy will be in for Lords.
It will be him on Onions and I think because he roughed a few of them up in the Lions warm match, it will be Harmsion but that is dependant on what the pitch is like.
Bizarre captaincy from Ponting putting his slow bowlers against the tail.
I think that was because he was aware that the time was running out so wanted to get through as many overs as possible and with the spinners you can get through a few more than if a quick was bowling.
Sounds like Broad is going to be struggling so I expect to see Onions and Harmison in for Monty and Broad for Lords.
Sounds like Broad is going to be struggling so I expect to see Onions and Harmison in for Monty and Broad for Lords.
Yup. Reckon the only reason Swann will be kept would be because of his batting.
Swann is/was the leading wicket taker this year although to be fair most of those were against the West Indies but I still think he has done enough to be selected over Monty who has only taken something like nine first class wickets this season. Plus Swann's batting is a big plus. If Broad does miss out then the obvious choice is the two Durham lads as I don't think there is anyone else in the picture at the moment.
TBH the facilities at cardiff are pretty damn good as well as the accessibility. Should try it before you knock it.
Was not saying the facilities were not bad but to have half of the scoring system weighted in such a way that the highest bidder is pretty much always going to win is ridiculous.
As someone brought up on TMS this week does this mean we could be playing in Dubai in the near future if they offer up more cash?
Amazing that Sidebottom has been thrown into the wilderness even though his economy his right up there and in English conditions is one of the best. Not complaining though as leaves him to play for Notts v Durham next week hopefully with them having a weakened attack. If Broad gets dropped also then all the better for Notts.
He was unlucky to pick up that injury when he did but as he was not in this squad I presumed the selectors did not want him and that Harmison had moved above him in the pecking order. As you say it is amazing seeing the success he has had but it isn't a first, just look at what happened to Hoggard.
Was not saying the facilities were not bad but to have half of the scoring system weighted in such a way that the highest bidder is pretty much always going to win is ridiculous.
As someone brought up on TMS this week does this mean we could be playing in Dubai in the near future if they offer up more cash?
Maybe but maybe the ends justify the means.
Other tests i've been to the stewards tend to look at the crowds as an inconvienance to running a nice sedate test. The stewards at cardiff were polite and friendly, not to mention all the 'ambassadors' around the city offering advice and directions. The atmosphere of this match was 10x what i've experienced elsewhere (especially lords) and has been a cracking start to the ashes series.
The pitch wasn't great but its what they were told to produce...so they did!
Great finish, somewhat marred by the stupid antics with the physio. Whoever thought that would be a good idea? :cuckoo:
I think that was because he was aware that the time was running out so wanted to get through as many overs as possible and with the spinners you can get through a few more than if a quick was bowling.
Possibly, but unless the spinners were Warne and Murali, or light was an issue, you'd always back your one supposedly world-class quick to mop up the opposition's tail. Problem with that was Johnson was all over the shop today, and that basically cost them the game in the end.
Problem with that was Johnson was all over the shop today, and that basically cost them the game in the end.
That and he should have bowled Siddle more instead of a below par Johnson.
DanWilde1966
13-07-2009, 06:51
Phew! I don't think anything in 2005 quite matched the evening session last night. For sure the Australians played vastly better cricket, and the England top-order batsmen problems are still very much in evidence. But the sheer tension and drama of that last two hours... I hope that this series has not peaked just as it is beginning. As Bumble said, it was the essence of gruelling test cricket, and England and Australia were at war. Before tea there was the pummelling of Swann by Siddle... Maximum drama and maximum entertainment. If we remember back to the T/20 World Cup, that form of the game surely is an insignificant (if money-spinning) speck in comparison to what occurred over the past five days. And if nothing else, the Australians have been denied the 5-0 whitewash that McGrath traditionally predicts.
TigaSefi
13-07-2009, 08:41
That is the biggest difference between us. Ask an Aussie what the scoreline will be, they say 5-0 and believe in it. Ask an Englander what the score line will be "who's playing?" and say "urm well..if we play well enough....."
LouBarlow
13-07-2009, 09:15
That is the biggest difference between us. Ask an Aussie what the scoreline will be, they say 5-0 and believe in it. Ask an Englander what the score line will be "who's playing?" and say "urm well..if we play well enough....."
I've read that 5 times and still can't work out what the hell you are blathering about :nuts:
In other news, Ponting is peeved at England's 'tactics' in the final few overs...can't say as I blame him either.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/england/8146927.stm
Amazing that Sidebottom has been thrown into the wilderness even though his economy his right up there and in English conditions is one of the best. Not complaining though as leaves him to play for Notts v Durham next week hopefully with them having a weakened attack. If Broad gets dropped also then all the better for Notts.
I just don't think they trust his fitness in a 5 day test yet.
In other news, Ponting is peeved at England's 'tactics' in the final few overs...can't say as I blame him either.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/england/8146927.stm
I just see like making a substitution in the 93rd minute or keeping the ball by the corner flag - all 3 incidents are blatant time wasting but all 3 are technically allowed by the rules.
That is the biggest difference between us. Ask an Aussie what the scoreline will be, they say 5-0 and believe in it. Ask an Englander what the score line will be "who's playing?" and say "urm well..if we play well enough....."
Unfortunately I think the teams have the same attitude. Australia will always back themselves to win whilst England always seems to play with doubt in their minds. This has to be the case based on the amount of times we seem to beat ourselves through poor shot selection. Go back one year and we did the same thing against South Africa. They were very ordinary with the ball but we seemed be happy to getting out chasing wide ones.
Great work by Jimmy A and Monty yesterday though. I've got to think that England will come away from this feeling better than Australia.
In other news, Ponting is peeved at England's 'tactics' in the final few overs...can't say as I blame him either.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/england/8146927.stm
I really feel sorry for him :nuts:
When we were playing the West Indies earlier in the year similar things were happening so it is up to the ICC to stop it by brining in new laws, until they do that then teams will continue to do it.
TigaSefi
13-07-2009, 10:22
Loubarlow, Hood understood. so :nuts: to you. :D
Fever Dawg
13-07-2009, 10:34
In other news, Ponting is peeved at England's 'tactics' in the final few overs...can't say as I blame him either.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/england/8146927.stm
If the tables were turned and England had been chasing the win - Ponting would have done everything to make sure Australia didn't bowl more than the minimum overs per hour required.
Probably a bit more subtly though :D
LouBarlow
13-07-2009, 10:38
I really feel sorry for him :nuts:
I don't feel sorry for him either but it was embarassing to watch.
The proper way to do it would have been for one of the tailenders to take a safe single and pull up as they got to the other end :nuts:
The would really have ****** punting off
basegreen
13-07-2009, 12:13
Bringing the runner out at the end would have been classic :D
Ponting has a short memory though - they've often pulled stunts like that at the death to gain a bit of psychological advantage. As soon as England got past the target, it was all over really. It would have been pretty easy to delay things enough by that point.
How about a few overs of underarm bowling ala Australia v NZ back in the day for example?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricky_Ponting#Controversies
If Punter is moaning then perhaps England have cause to have a go at him for claiming a catch late on after a lbw decision had been rightly gone against them. It was quite clear that the ball was nowhere near the bat. As I said yesterday this is just swings and roundabouts, it happened now we move on.
The first one where the 12th man (anyone know why it was Bilal Shafayat from Notts?) brought out drinks then fair play, but the second time with the trainer did make me gringe and be a bit embarrased especially when he did nothing and ran back off again.
Harmison back in the squad which is good news - not good news is that Flintoff is having a scan on his knee :oh-hum:
LouBarlow
13-07-2009, 13:13
Is Harmison just in as cover for Flintoff though?
Seems that way according to the BBC:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/england/8147127.stm
Same knee he had the surgery on as well!
Good grief, does he ever go more than a month without picking up some sort of injury. Even if Freddie doesn't make it I think he will be in with a good chance of replacing Monty as we will not need two spinners at Lords.
basegreen
13-07-2009, 15:46
I think what happened is that drinks were brought out (fair enough), and Anderson spilled the drink on his glove so he signalled to the stand (about a glove/hand) and they werent sure if he needed a physio or more gloves so both came out, he took the gloves and they quickly moved on. There's no way that stopped another over, and what's more even if they had another over, bowled one of them out, there wasn't time to change innings. The last over was itself pointless for that reason.
DanWilde1966
13-07-2009, 17:20
Drinks and a new set of gloves is a standard time-wasting ploy, and Ponting would have done exactly the same thing, and probably signalled the pavillion for a troupe of balinese dancers to soak up a bit of time, if the situation had been the other way around.
I thought the whole thing was hillarious. So blatent, and don't worry, the Aussies would have been doing the same. Pontings face :lol:
Anything that riles Punting is good for England. We should bring on Gary Pratt at Lords for the psychological advantage. Punter would go nuts
We should bring on Gary Pratt at Lords for the psychological advantage. Punter would go nuts
It is a shame that he is no longer involved in cricket as that would be the icing on the cake :D
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