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Are we having an official World T20 thread? All kicks off tomorrow with the warmup games then proper on Friday.
I am an official volunteer for the games at Trent Bridge with my first 'shift' being the Australia v Bangladesh game tomorrow. I'm working in the Sportainment area (their word not mine) which is helping with everything outside of the actual cricket that is entertainment. Working with the dancers and the DJ's etc we were told.
Got a lovely outfit of polo shirt, cap, bumbag (that only fits slim people and kids!) and a jacket if the rain comes in.
I'm just hoping a 6 comes my way and I catch it and get on camera! :D
Are we having an official World T20 thread? All kicks off tomorrow with the warmup games then proper on Friday.
Your wish is my command :suspect:
I am an official volunteer for the games at Trent Bridge with my first 'shift' being the Australia v Bangladesh game tomorrow. I'm working in the Sportainment area (their word not mine) which is helping with everything outside of the actual cricket that is entertainment. Working with the dancers and the DJ's etc we were told.
Got a lovely outfit of polo shirt, cap, bumbag (that only fits slim people and kids!) and a jacket if the rain comes in.
I'm just hoping a 6 comes my way and I catch it and get on camera! :D
Nice one, will be at work so will not be able to see this but will probably catch the highlights later. Not sure we need so many warm up matches though, especially after the poor attendance in the world cup in the Caribbean.
midknight
01-06-2009, 11:57
Are we having an official World T20 thread? All kicks off tomorrow with the warmup games then proper on Friday.
I am an official volunteer for the games at Trent Bridge with my first 'shift' being the Australia v Bangladesh game tomorrow. I'm working in the Sportainment area (their word not mine) which is helping with everything outside of the actual cricket that is entertainment. Working with the dancers and the DJ's etc we were told.
Got a lovely outfit of polo shirt, cap, bumbag (that only fits slim people and kids!) and a jacket if the rain comes in.
I'm just hoping a 6 comes my way and I catch it and get on camera! :D
As a matter of interest did you have much trouble being a volunteer any perks ?
singhstar
01-06-2009, 13:56
going to ind/pak warm up game on wed and i can't wait!
good round up of players to keep your eye on here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/8062448.stm
So install of a bowl out at the stumps should the scores be level we have a super over when both teams will face six balls. I think I prefer the bowl out as it doesn't take so much time to get it sorted.
This has happened in the Holland/Ireland match btw.
DanWilde1966
01-06-2009, 23:45
I'm just hoping a 6 comes my way and I catch it and get on camera! :DI was at the Oval last summer on the first day of the final Test against South Africa. Me and my mate were sitting right at the front, and when someone whacked the ball towards us for four and Andre Nell came over to collect it, we were caught on camera and I got a snap shot of us on the Sky + replay later. :D
Well had my first shift yesterday and was very underwhelming but assured this was because they were not treating them as the proper games. No dancers, no second replay screen etc so was asked to be a 'general' helper and basically just dish out leaflets to people just outside the ground with info in them.
Got to see a bit of cricket from 1 of the balconies as we were supplied lunch but that was about all. My shift was only for the 1st game so could have stayed on watching the second with free soft drinks but wasn't fussed as I am there for the games later today as a paying person anyway.
No trouble becoming a volunteer just as long as you made youself available as much as you could. They said TB had the most flexible applications of them all with most people saying we can do all shifts basically. I said I could all of them but the ones I had already bought tickets for anyway. I had some leave at work to use so using them for that but that vast majority are students or retired. Not many 'normal' working folk like me yesterday.
Perks are we get to keep the uniform which is quite well made to be fair. Fed and watered all day, get to watch most of the cricket hopefully when it kicks off proper and as all my shifts are for the 1st games they said we should be able to stay in to see the 2nd game if we wanted. I am working another 3 days and said I can do Saturday also. 1 of the days is the Semi-Final day so if I can work the womens semi and then stay on for the mens that would be good.
Also this is all be monitored in depth as they are going to have thousands of volunteers for the Olympics so not saying I would even want to do it but it's got my name in the frame for that perhaps.
Oh and over 250 voluntereed for TB more than Oval, Lods and Taunton put together apparantly! They only took on about 60 of us as we were like I say willing to do the most and were most flexible. They asked you to do 3 shifts minimum originally anyway. 1 shift is about 6 hours.
Scruffy the Janitor
02-06-2009, 10:05
LOADS OF STUFF!!!.
Which organisation did you speak to. I have decided to escape from the world of IT and will be looking to do something after the summer but in the meantime, this sounds right up my alley...
I know the beeb has the match highlights but are they live on Sky or Sentanta?
Live on Sky (http://www.thedvdforums.com/affiliatelink.php?localaffiliateid=75)
I looked at tickets for this but frankly for 20:20 they are taking the **** - £60 for decent seats to see England Vs Netherlands - what?
They wonder why these havn't sold out yet?
I'm buggering off to watch the womens 20:20 at taunton - £6 to see two matchs at one of my favourite, high scoring grounds in the country. Sounds good to me!
I looked at tickets for this but frankly for 20:20 they are taking the **** - £60 for decent seats to see England Vs Netherlands - what?
They wonder why these havn't sold out yet?
It is madness isn't it, they just never seem to learn.
I'm buggering off to watch the womens 20:20 at taunton - £6 to see two matchs at one of my favourite, high scoring grounds in the country. Sounds good to me!
Taunton along with the Oval and Chelmsford are the best grounds for plenty of runs.
Live on Sky (http://www.thedvdforums.com/affiliatelink.php?localaffiliateid=75)
Ta:thumbs:
England not too impressive in our warm-up against Scotland - a bit of a struggle chasing down 138 to win so far!
hi
does anybody now where we can get the official World T20 tops from , as i want too jjb this morning, & now tops for sale , i was looking for the indian top , as i have the last top, from the last tournement
England not too impressive in our warm-up against Scotland - a bit of a struggle chasing down 138 to win so far!
As soon as we come up against a top team we are going down big time. Lets see how we play against the West Indies tomorrow who will be a completely different team in this format of the game.
hi
does anybody now where we can get the official World T20 tops from , as i want too jjb this morning, & now tops for sale , i was looking for the indian top , as i have the last top, from the last tournement
http://www.cricshop.com/Replica-Cricket-Kit/India-ODI-Kit.aspx
It is madness isn't it, they just never seem to learn.
Taunton along with the Oval and Chelmsford are the best grounds for plenty of runs.
I wonder how many empty grounds they will have to see before they accept that when playing substandard teams people will not pay top dollar to watch them - the same price as seeing England vs SA one day match last year to see a 20:20 england vs non test playing country is barmy
Taunton is a great ground for 20:20 flat pitch, good pace and a tiny ground. Even with the ladies i'm expecting some 6's - actually from the world cup I saw some pretty good tight matchs with some excellent tecnique so weather providing it could be great.
I wonder how many empty grounds they will have to see before they accept that when playing substandard teams people will not pay top dollar to watch them - the same price as seeing England vs SA one day match last year to see a 20:20 england vs non test playing country is barmy
They don't appeared to have learned from the World Cup in the Caribbean when some grounds were not even half full. I thought that after the 20/20 World Cup in South Africa the ICC had got everything about spot on as the grounds seemed full so you have to presume that the prices were quite low to pack them in. If that is the case why are we charging so much over here. It will be very interesting to see how full Lords is on Friday for England's first match against Holland.
Do we know what they are charging for these warm up matches, surely they haven't gone over the top price wise for these.
singhstar
02-06-2009, 22:21
well for the one tmw was £20 for silver tickets and the gold ones (behind bowler/batsman) were £30
Which organisation did you speak to. I have decided to escape from the world of IT and will be looking to do something after the summer but in the meantime, this sounds right up my alley...
There was something on the Notts official website and the local press back in March. You then had to apply online with very minimal information before Easter. Then they emailed you back to say if you were accepted. We then attended a 1 day training day event at the end of April. This was not so much training but giving an overview of what we may expect.
Then a couple of weeks ago was told our 'shifts' and then last week picked up our uniform.
Overall it is quite badly organised from what I have experienced but they do keep stating they have never used volunteers in this way for anything like this before. Spoke to a couple of the guys I met on Monday when I was there as a paying person yesterday and some of them had been involved more like going to the press conferences and helping out in the team dugouts with drinks etc also.
Seems when the tournament starts proper on Friday then it will be a whole different ball game.
Also was told they wanted about 250 volunteers for each venue but as Trent Bridge had the most flexible volunteers they have only selected about 60 of us for all the roles.
The ultimate goal for the ECB with this it seems is that you will like it and then volunteer to help at a local cricket club as a coach or admin person etc. I don't have the time to take something on like that but a quick 3 week thing like this is ideal for me and is something I am interested in also.
Was surprised that lots of them knew nothing about cricket!
well for the one tmw was £20 for silver tickets and the gold ones (behind bowler/batsman) were £30
Monday and Tuesday I think Trent Bridge realised it was going to be dead so made the adult tickets £20 across the board for the whole day. That was cheaper than potentially pre booking them on the net.
I was reading an article on Cricinfo the other day and they said in South Africa 2 years ago the prices were ranging from £1 for a group game to the cheapest ticket for the final being £11.
Compare that to this - Order in Adult/Child and the 3 areas Gold, Silver, Family
Lords and Oval Opening Ceremony and game £60/£15, £40/£12, £30/£10
Group Game Double Header as above
Super 8 Game Double Header £70/£15, £50/£12, £40/£10
Semi Finals Day Womens followed by Mens £90/£15, £60.£12, £50/£10
Finals Day as above
Trent Bridge
Single Group Game (currently only game sold out at TB) £30/£12, £25/£10, £20/£8
Group Game Double Header £50/£12, £35/£10, £30/£8
Super 8 Game Double Header £60/£12. £45/£10, £40/£8
Semi Finals Day Womens followed by Mens £75/£12, £60/£10, £40/£8
Clearly they are making an effort with child prices but they are no mugs and know adults have to bring kids in the first place. I'm kind of hoping they end up with egg on their faces with this stupid pricing.
If you think this is alot just look at what they were charging for the Ashes!
Very strange tactics from the West Indies today, are they even bothered about 20/20. First Gayle doesn't captain the team and neither does he open the batting :suspect:
Good work out today by England who did everything right, they bowled and fielded well and their batting was superb by the two youngsters, especially by Wright who hit some huge sixes.
For the West Indies I really can't see them getting to far in the tournament if this is the best they can produce.
The Oval looked packed for the India/Pakistan match. Have to feel for Pakistan as they have played less international cricket than anybody else and this was clear to see during their two warm up games.
Very strange tactics from the West Indies today, are they even bothered about 20/20. First Gayle doesn't captain the team and neither does he open the batting :suspect:
He didn't bat at all - what the hell is going on with west indies - they need to drop him and let him regain his interest in playing.
Nasser Hussan really laid into Gayle afterwards and I agree. He doesn't care about test cricket and based on his disappearing act today you have to wonder what motivates him these days.
The Oval looked packed for the India/Pakistan match. Have to feel for Pakistan as they have played less international cricket than anybody else and this was clear to see during their two warm up games.
What a fanatastic atmosphere at that game last night as opposed to the almost
silence at the England game.
What a fanatastic atmosphere at that game last night as opposed to the almost
silence at the England game.
Similar to what happened Monday/Tuesday. Pakistan were playing Sri Lanka on the Monday afternoon but got right behind Bangladesh when they were playing Australia in the earlier game. Then on Tuesday when England played I think there were less people overall and certainly less atmosphere than the Monday games.
Saturday at Trent Bridge is India v Bangladesh and is a complete sell out. The England game isn't. I think that speak volumes.
I've been called up to help on Saturday now so hoping it is a cracker.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/other_international/australia/8083144.stm
Andrew Symonds kicked out of the squad and almost certainly the end of his international career I reckon now.
Symonds has always been a bit of a cock. As good as he can play I doubt such a disruptive influence is good for team morale.
I can't see anyway back for him now as he was already on a final warning and there is plenty of other players ready to take his place. It is a shame as he was a fine cricketer but he obviously has issues away from the game.
Typical ICC disorganisation about the opening ceremony. Big news is no Pietersen or Swann with Key & Rashid playing instead.
Shame it's raining.
Typical ICC disorganisation about the opening ceremony. Big news is no Pietersen or Swann with Key & Rashid playing instead.
Shame it's raining.
It is typical ICC who couldn't organise a **** up in a pub.
Looking at the weather over the weekend it looks like this tournament could be a week late as there looks like there will be some heavy rain over the next few days.
The loss of KP should mean to much in this match but hopefully he will be fit for the match against Pakistan on Sunday. Swann's absence is more interesting though as I would play him in every match as he has impressed since he finally got into the team.
The reaction by the studio to the opening summed it all up. Atherton found it all rather amusing.
I;m a big fan of Key but would have picked Napier in place of KP.
I would be surprised if Napier plays any part in the tournament as he should have had a game in either or both of the warm up games. I will be annoyed if he sits it all out as we could have had him back at Essex and after our last two results we are missing him badly.
Great start by England. 170 should be gettable
If we can keep this momentum we could get quite close to 200.
A real struggle this so far - Netherlands putting up a real decent show here and well up with the rate at 79-3!
Batting wise we seemed to fall away after Bopara got out as we brought up the hundred in the 11th over but got just 60 from the last nine. The selection of the team doesn't seen right either as we have no big hitters in the middle order, where is Dimi for example or even Napier - we need men that can hit a big ball not play it around for ones ot two's as we were doing in the closing overs.
I think the Dutch can do this.
Even if we win this we've made such a mess of it I dont know what our chances will be against a decent team.
Entirely agree - we had to many poking runs around when they needed to be clearing the boundary. If our current players cant do it, we need different ones.
cheeseypuffs
05-06-2009, 19:39
Wright and Bopara batted really well, but once they were out there was no one to pick up the run rate. We were crying out for Dimi or Napier to come in and smash the last few overs around, but neither was even playing :shrug: FWIW I think this was the perfect game to get Napier a start in the tournament and England have missed a trick whether they escape with a win or not.
I'm not sure about the selection of Key as if he is picked to play then surely at the very least he has to come in at the fall of the first wicket not further down the order when big runs are needed.
An absolute shocker from England - utterly humiliated at Lords by the Netherlands :oh-hum:
cheeseypuffs
05-06-2009, 20:03
Congratulations to Holland, but what was Broad thinking on the last ball? Reminds me of Swann in that controversial Oval match against NZ, was he not watching that time :shrug:
TigaSefi
05-06-2009, 20:03
England :lol:
When do the Ashes start ?
The Netherlands deserved their victory tonight, their bowling was superb, the way they stopped the big runs at the end is something England should learn from. Their batting held up while England's fielding was woeful, they would not have hit the stumps if they were twice as wide.
awful tactic in the last over and Broad was dismal
In the end the poor last few overs of England batting when we were unable to find the boundary has cost us and the leads to the questions of why we didn't have people who could do this in the line up.
cheeseypuffs
05-06-2009, 20:23
No sixes in the entire Innings, 102 runs in 11 overs before the first wicket falls and they only make 60 more runs :shrug:
Raigmore
05-06-2009, 20:26
I rang my wife's former Dutch colleague in Utrecht just now to congratulate him. His 9-year old daughter told me that daddy could not come to the phone because he was standing on his head!
Raigmore
05-06-2009, 20:41
I think Stuard Broad is going to have nightmares about Twenty/20 World Cup tournaments. Hit for six sixes in the last one and now having to bowl the fateful final over. Knocking the stump over with his hand, watching a bye run to the keeper, dropping a return catch and to cap it all missing an easy run out only to concede the winning run by an overthrow! No one would have believed it possible if it was fiction.
No sixes in the entire Innings, 102 runs in 11 overs before the first wicket falls and they only make 60 more runs :shrug:
Arrogant team selection - to have no big hitters down the order was just ridiculous. Key coming in at 6 or so is stupid and Morgan is not going to clear the ropes very often.
Key coming in at 6 or so is stupid and Morgan is not going to clear the ropes very often.
You have to ask what they were thinking of when they picked Key at six ahead of Dimi who can clear the boundary as we have seen before. Even though he is in the squad they obviously don't rate Napier or he would have played in one of the warm up matches surely.
cheeseypuffs
05-06-2009, 21:10
After the top two Shah seemed to be the only batsman that looked like he wanted to hit the ball, he was possibly a little unluck to hole out with a nice looking shot but the rest seemed like they were happy to "nudge and nurdle" it around for 1's and 2's. I agree that the selection was probably arrogant, but they could have "rested" players and still have played a big hitter like Dimi or Napier :doh:
You have to ask what they were thinking of when they picked Key at six ahead of Dimi who can clear the boundary as we have seen before. Even though he is in the squad they obviously don't rate Napier or he would have played in one of the warm up matches surely.
The warm-up games were a waste from England - we schedule easy games, don't give everyone a game and instead play KP with an injury in both contests? Just have to hope now we can take advantage of Pakistan's lack of game time as a loss on Sunday and we're out on our backsides :(
bigdutch
05-06-2009, 21:52
spend a fiver on texts tonight on a bit of gloating lolll
spend a fiver on texts tonight on a bit of gloating lolll
Can you beat Pakistan for us please :help:
Just watching the highlights, it's great entertainment. Broad has been awful in the final over, his fielding was like watching Mr Bean trying to play cricket.
Can you beat Pakistan for us please :help:
Don't worry, we'll implode this tournament anyway - the excitement of being allowed to play will be enough!
DanWilde1966
06-06-2009, 09:13
A mate of mine was at the game last night. The texts he was sending as Holland overwhelmed us... Not family reading. It was an edge-of-the-seat-game, but for all the wrong reasons.
Broad has been awful in the final over,
His bowling was fine as he gave them no four balls but I still haven't worked out how he dropped that caught and bowled chance and England's general fielding especially with run out attempts at the stumps, was poor.
Can you beat Pakistan for us please :help:
I think England will safely make it to the super six, Pakistan are seriously out of form. They were heavily defeated in both their warm up matches, I'd be surprised if they come close to winning any match here.
Holland were surprisingly good, I expected a walk in the park for England but Holland showed some guts to win. It's the lack of experience in 20/20 that was England's downfall. But I can't see anyone else winning this tournament than India they are power house to 20/20 cricket at the moment.
But I can't see anyone else winning this tournament than India they are power house to 20/20 cricket at the moment.
They are a power house but I wouldn't rule out the Aussies or South Africa as they are both capable of winning this.
NZ looked in a spot of bother in their 7 over contest against Scotland after the Scots smashed 89 off their 7. Ryder and McCullum just sending it to all parts though and winning at a canter at this stage!
euqiddis
06-06-2009, 12:41
and its over.
singhstar
06-06-2009, 13:21
amazing start from taylor!
At the half way stage I thought Scotland had a chance of pulling it off but their bowling and especially the fielding wasn't up to standard but they gave New Zealand a scare.
The West Indies have started well against the Aussies with two wickets in the opening over.
TigaSefi
06-06-2009, 13:52
Seven over matches is a bit mental though. 20 overs is very short as it is.
LouBarlow
06-06-2009, 14:01
Have Sky got the work experience lad working on this? The coverage has been shocking what with them missing deliveries because of adverts/showing replays/introducing new batsmen :nuts:
The pictures and commentary team are provided by ESPN so anything that happens live is up to them but in this quick version of the game it is hard to fit the adverts in and this isn't a first with them missing action because an ad is still running. Usually they will stop the advert and get back to the action.
LouBarlow
06-06-2009, 14:44
Ah apologies to sky then. Seems strange having a foreign broadcaster providing coverage to an event held in our country.
where has this west indies team been for the last 3 months?
LouBarlow
06-06-2009, 15:29
Gayle :lol:
where has this west indies team been for the last 3 months?
We dragged them down to our level :lol:
The Aussies were destroyed by a Gayle :clap:
What brutal hitting, that six onto the roof has to be the biggest six I have ever seen.
Supposedly 105m or so - more like 120/130m from what I could see. It was absolutely MASSIVE!
Not sure how they come up with those measurements so quickly. I thought those two that ended up in the school over the road were big enough.
Good total by India (180) which should be enough for them to defend.
Raigmore
06-06-2009, 20:40
Good total by India (180) which should be enough for them to defend.
Well, it was but I think the leading teams should look to score more in the first 10 to 12 overs. A lot of them are playing Twenty/20 cricket like a shortened 50-over game. The batsmen need to take more chances and be more aggressive.
I feel that the modern batsmen's technique against spinners is pretty poor. I don't know if it is the heavier bats they use these days or whatever but I cannot understand why even mediocre or part time spinners tend to slow down the scoring rate. There was a time when spinners were considered almost a handicap for limited overs cricket.
Murali apart (and even he is well past his prime now), there is only Vettori and Harbhajan Singh who might be conisidered as world class spinners today. Even they are not in the class of the likes of Warne, Laker, Gibbs etc. It is almost as though the batsmen allow the spinners to cast a spell on them. I would have expected part-timers like Mike Clarke, Yuvraj Singh, JP Duminy, KP etc to regularly go for 20 runs an over and yet this does not seem to be the case.
I think it is great that spinners are playing a major part in the game because it would be pretty dull if there was noting in the 20 overs for any of the bowlers. Spinners will get more success because they are usually harder to hit than say a fast bowler when all a batsman has to do is to open his shoulders.
Regarding teams not going for it in the first 10 overs or so it might because they don't want to run the risk or loosing a few wickets as they would prefer to have them in the bag for the thrash at the end. Personally I think these tactics are generally spot on.
Raigmore
07-06-2009, 06:31
=Alan b;8636845]Spinners will get more success because they are usually harder to hit than say a fast bowler when all a batsman has to do is to open his shoulders. I know that statistically but what I'd really like to know is why this should be the case. In the past, a spinner had to be very good to succeed and even then he ran the risk of being taken apart on unresponsive wickets. The point is, there are far fewer really good spinners these days and yet they seem to tie even good batsmen in knots. It must be one or more of the bats, technique, pitch or simply the psyche. I am old enough to have seen the limitations spinners had in the 60s and 70s.
Regarding teams not going for it in the first 10 overs or so it might because they don't want to run the risk or loosing a few wickets as they would prefer to have them in the bag for the thrash at the end. Personally I think these tactics are generally spot on. But that sort of approach is acceptable in a 50-over per side game but not in Twenty/20. Surely modern batsmen should have enough confidence to know that they can attack more and still be able to defend 10 wiclets over 20 paltry overs!
If you look at the cricket team around the world and consider Mr Average Batsman vs Mr Average Spinner (leaving the pacemen out of it), on paper it would seem that there is a very heavy bias in favour of the batsmen. But that seldom reflects on the field.
20 overs is still a fair time to bat and as shown yesterday in the 7 over a side match when you go for it from the start you will loose wickets unless you are Chris Gayle who can blast it into orbit.
Raigmore
07-06-2009, 11:38
I still think that something on the way over the past 10 to 15 years has resulted in batsmen giving spinners more credit than sometimes due. I wonder if it is the Warne-Murali factor? Between them those two took nearly 1500 Test wickets and were so good that many batsmen probably got psyched into believing that they were no good against spin.
Take the occasional Indian spinner Murali Karthik for example. He is little more than a very mediocre spinner and yet there are times when he has made even good batsmen struggle to score. I saw a D/N ODI in Bangalore between South Africa & India a few years ago. South Africa struggeled to score 177 over their 50 overs with MK conceding some 20+ runs over his 10 overs. India won in acanter and I should have been pleased. Still, the predominant emotion for a wasted evening was frustration. I do not believe Murali Karthik bowled half as good as his figures suggested that night.
It can just be very difficult to time a ball moving at half the speed - you see it in Baseball where a pitcher can make you look really silly trying to hit a ball going at 20mph slower than the normal speeds. If you had an attack of 5 spinners, you'd get decimated I reckon. But having those change of speeds means its difficult to time your shots without getting out.
LouBarlow
07-06-2009, 13:54
AMAZING catch just now by Coetzer Vs Boucher. One of the best I've seen :notworthy
What a catch by Coetzer, that will probably be the catch of the tournament.
Brilliant batting by de Villiers to hit on 79 from just 34 balls with six 6s.
SA look very imposing and with Dale Steyn up top, they've got the fire power with the ball potentially as well to be tough to beat.
EDIT: Scotland 3 down already in a flash!
DanWilde1966
07-06-2009, 14:36
Yeah, but boundaries now flowing for Scotland. They can't possibly win, of course. (Lest we forget, England couldn't buy a six on Friday night, but Scotland nailed one a few moments ago...)
Not looking too good - 133 needed off 35 balls. I'm sticking my neck out and going for SA here! :thumbs:
DanWilde1966
07-06-2009, 16:00
Next up, England v. Pakistan. If England has any sense, Mascarenhas and Napier will be in this team. We'll find out at 5.10 at the toss...
cheeseypuffs
07-06-2009, 16:09
Apparently KP might play! Botham has pretty much taken this thread for his analysis of the Holland match ;) and says Dimi should always be in the side for this form of cricket as well. If KP doesn't play I think we have to have Dimi and Napier in to clear the boundary.
cheeseypuffs
07-06-2009, 16:37
Bopara goes early :( Time for KP to make his mark (please!)
euqiddis
07-06-2009, 16:57
terrible fielding from pakistan, but now 62-2. Nice yorker.
Much better batting today by England and boy does KP make a welcome return. 128-2.
cheeseypuffs
07-06-2009, 18:02
185-5 then, I think they're about 15-20 runs short with the batsmen Pakistan have, but a couple of early wickets would be nice ;) Pakistan's fielding was woeful, England need to make sure they're sharp and don't give any away.
I think we are 15 runs short, 200 should have been on but we lost a few wickets towards the end which will always happen when you are going for the big runs. Not sure why Collingwood came in when he did as you need to get you big hitters in earlier.
I lost count of the number of dropped catches, if Pakistarn had held some of them the total they are chasing got have been a bit less.
cheeseypuffs
07-06-2009, 18:12
It looks like the spinners will be crucial in slowing the run rate, I'm confident Swann will be solid but Rashid needs to make sure he doesn't give any loose deliveries away.
Rashid doesn't fill me with confidence as everytime I have seen him bowl the batsman have really attacked him and he has gone for a few.
Pakistan dropped 5 catches in all and their fielding at times was laughable.
cheeseypuffs
07-06-2009, 18:29
I don't doubt Rashid's going to be really good. I'm slightly biased, but I think Liam Dawson might have been a better call as a young slow bowler in this format, IMO he's a tighter bowler than Rashid and a better batsman. Rashid probably gets the nod simply because he's a wrist spinner.
it was good to see us get a decent score on the board - actually having players in the team who can clear the boundary helps!
whats the rules on rain affected - d/l at all stages or do they need to complete a certain number of overs?
cheeseypuffs
07-06-2009, 19:02
Minimum 5 overs for a result, so whatever happens there will be a winner here.
spearce8
07-06-2009, 19:06
England are still crap, and will still finish bottom of the Super 8.
Malik knicks a Wright delivery and now 87-4. Uh oh, here comes Afridi...
England are still crap, and will still finish bottom of the Super 8.
You are probably right but that is for another day. We should win this from here as Pakistan know that they are behind on the D/L so I would except more of their batsman to get out playing the big shots.
cheeseypuffs
07-06-2009, 19:17
What is up with Afridi's batting :?: If he's been like that for a while now why the hell is he above Misbah in the order :shrug:
Afridi caught in the deep. That'll do.
spearce8
07-06-2009, 19:19
You are probably right but that is for another day. We should win this from here as Pakistan know that they are behind on the D/L so I would except more of their batsman to get out playing the big shots.
How's this run rate workout :shrug: let's assume everyone finishes on two points (which will probably happen) if Pakistan get thrashed here, they themselves will have to thrash Holland, I really don't want it to end up like the last WC, I want all the Test nations through (WI over Bang)
Take nothing away from Holland, they deserved their win, and their 5 Mins, but come on, if they go through it will totally devalue the rest of the Tournament.
I'm not so sure, how's this run rate workout :shrug:
I don't understand it either, but Sky seem to think if England win they go through, not sure myself until we see the result of the Holland/Pakistan match. Lets see what they say after this match.
Loved Bumbles "swinging like a rusty gate" when Afridi got out, boy has his batting gone backwards.
cheeseypuffs
07-06-2009, 19:23
The way he was playing keeping Afridi in would've been a good idea ;) England are definitely playing better, but how much is it because Pakistan have been poor? Their bowling was pretty good, fielding and batting has been clueless. Unless they improve the run rate considerably they could be in trouble even if they beat the Dutch!
euqiddis
07-06-2009, 19:23
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay we got a 6
euqiddis
07-06-2009, 19:25
We are rubbish!!!!!!!!
cheeseypuffs
07-06-2009, 19:26
I don't understand it either, but Sky seem to think if England win they go through, not sure myself until we see the result of the Holland/Pakistan match. Lets see what they say after this match.
Loved Bumbles "swinging like a rusty gate" when Afridi got out, boy has his batting gone backwards.
England lost by the closest possible score, so their run rate is virtually even. So if they win even quite comfortably they will currently have a better run rate than either of the other two sides, thus to go to run rate if Pakistan get their run rate ahead of England it will mean that Holland's will be worse, holland could lose a close one to Pakistan and still go through as Pakistan will have the worst run rate of the three.
Right that is nice and clear :D
I wouldn't rule the Netherlands out of beating Pakistan if they put up another performance like this.
cheeseypuffs
07-06-2009, 19:39
Holland were far and away better than Pakistan have been and they are going to have a comfortable run rate advantage to take into their game so Pakistan will need to win by about 50 runs to go through!
Indeed, Englands defeat on Friday was clearly tactical :suspect: ;)
An expexted loss from pakistan.. Expect to see more poor shows from us in the near future!! We really need another waqar/wasim pairing to be even competituve in the international scene!!
Superb from us today - excellent with bat and ball for the most part and through to the Super 8s now. Pakistan are in a heap of trouble though with such a heavy loss. They'll need to smash the Netherlands to make it in the next stage now.
An expexted loss from pakistan.. Expect to see more poor shows from us in the near future!! We really need another waqar/wasim pairing to be even competituve in the international scene!!
We just need to bloody turn up and play like Internationals:mad:
England to play South Africa on Thursday in the first of the super 8s then, I would except us to loose that.
meeti roti
07-06-2009, 20:07
what was the pushing singles all about.could they not work out boundaries were needed.I think the Dutch will beat them.
Niceguygeoff
07-06-2009, 20:48
From the ridiculous to the sublime. Good performance from England today, especially in the field.
Now we just need Sri Lanka to bet the Aussies tomorrow and it will be a good 24 hours or so.
cheeseypuffs
08-06-2009, 08:49
Apparently our group includes not only SA, but also India and possibly Australia :eek: How do they know this when the first round placings aren't known and who would we get if Australia don't qualify (I would prefer WI to SL)?
If Aus don't make it, then it will be WI who end up in England's group regardless of whether they finish ahead of SL or not. Aus and SL are the "seeded" sides in their 1st round group and if one of them gets knocked out, the unseeded team takes their place in the Super 8 group in a direct swap.
Ireland have got Bangladesh on the back foot here - Ireland win and they are through to the Super 8s!
LouBarlow
08-06-2009, 14:04
Bangladesh - "Are you Scotland in Disguise?"
The last over went a bit pear-shaped for the Irish, but still they're in with a decent chance here
Well played to the Irish, but my god how poor are Bangladesh, they just don't seem to learn from their mistakes.
It seems there might be a delay on the Sri Lanka/Australia game as Sri Lanka can not get into the ground due to protests that are taking place outside the ground.
Aussies 1/1 as Warner is out in the first over - not the best of starts and its the non-Twenty/20 man Mr Ponting to the crease. He badly needs to find some form in this format!
Interesting tactics bringing the spinner on to bowl the second over, personally with Ponting at the crease I would have continued with the quicker bowlers and told them to bowl at his pads trying to get him LBW again.
LouBarlow
08-06-2009, 16:43
:lol: at Billy Bowden doing his little 4 signals in time with the music being played at the ground - like a little dance. :D
Mendis comes in and just takes out Punter after a fantastic over! 48/2 now after 6 are Australia.
EDIT: Watson out now as Mendis is just weaving his magic against the Aussies now.
jermainejones
08-06-2009, 17:19
Jesus. Someone please take away Bangladesh's test status. Geoffrey Boycott is right. It's a joke they have status.
Brilliant from Malinga - a slower ball yorker demolishes Haddin's stumps to reduce the Aussies to 74/4 and in some trouble now.
What a brilliant slower ball by Melinga, the Aussies are 4 down now and in trouble.
5 down now - Aussies are imploding as Clarke falls now. Down to the Husseys to try and salvage the innings now!
Apart from David Hussey, Haddin and Warner at the top I don't see the other players being suitable for the 20/20 game, Ponting clearly struggles at this version.
Mendis is an absolute genius - 6 down as Mr Cricket is Mr Out and the Aussies are going to need a MAJOR bowling effort.
im enjoying this :lol: maybe they want the exit early and get the extra practice in for the ashes :D
Mitchell Johnson finding the runs quickly - if the Aussies reach 150, they'll be competitive.
hussey out, 150 might be a stretch now with less than 2 overs togo
Or not, 151-7, with 5 balls left
The Aussies have somehow pulled this around as the Sri Lankan batting has not hit top gear in their two warm up matches. I think this is a competitive total.
some good swinging of the bat by lee, match on then... lee out now
160 for Sri Lanka to chase then...game on.
Typical Aussies - 159/9 off their 20 overs thanks mainly to Johnson and Lee turbo charging the innings at the end. SL will need to play well and see off the the quicks to chase that down.
funny how the nature of the game changes so quickly, should be very competitive now
Part of the attraction of Twenty/20 - 1 over turns a pretty easy total to chase down into a far harder task!
Johnson is going to be a danger in the ashes as I see him as a Gilchrist like player, someone who comes in lower down the order but can put bat to ball and score quick enough to see that score rattle along.
Something I'd like to see Broad do more - he's got ability with the bat but I think he needs to find another gear with the bat.
Jayasuriya out cheaply - great catch from Dave Warner in the deep. 19/1 and game on!
Aussies on the back foot - Dilshan and Sangakkara imposing themselves on the Aussie bowlers. Still got the might of Nathan Hauritz in reserve though :suspect:
LouBarlow
08-06-2009, 18:39
Bye bye Australia
Dilshan going mental - come on SL!
Bye bye Australia
Best of all, if or rather when they lose this match they will be sitting around for two weeks with nothing to do as their first Ashes warm up game isn't until 24 June against Sussex at Hove.
Aussies need a miracle - will make Punter look a bit silly after they took the proverbial out of us before taking care of their own business ;)
EDIT: Whoops - first ball wicket for Clarke :(
Looks like SL could be on the verge of choking here :(
They are making it hard for themselves but should win from here on in if they can keep the scoreboard ticking over while hitting the occasional boundary.
LouBarlow
08-06-2009, 19:31
Why do they have stupid pitch-side interviews at a crucial stage like this?
In domestic 20/20 games they stick microphones on a couple of players while they are out in the field.
Sri Lanka win :clap:
Lets hope this defeat is a sign of things to come for the Aussies. How many sixes has Brett Lee gone for in this two matches, infact how many runs has he gone for ?
TigaSefi
08-06-2009, 19:44
Bye bye Australia.... love it!!! though we got South Africa on Thursday and they look to be in great shape.
hahahah.. thats the funniest day of cricket ever seeing the aussies being eliminated in the first round...
the tournament will be strange seeing the netherlands and ireland in the super 8s instead of the aussies and pak..
Fantastic, bye bye Australia. :lol:
Brett Lee was shocking - resembled a certain Mr Harmison at times with his lack of line and length at times!
good win for sri lanka - from matches so far the tournaments up for grabs between sri lanka, india and west indies (depending on what mood they turn out in! )
I'd take South Africa ahead of the entire lot ;)
hmmm i don't what it is about south africa but they always seem to preform well in early matches and buckle under the pressure on key games on later stages, so always tend to forget about them :D
jermainejones
08-06-2009, 19:52
New Zealand are the dark horses and I would advise a couple quid bet on hem each way.
cheeseypuffs
08-06-2009, 20:01
I'd still say India are the favourites, but SL have the best bowling attack, some very good batsmen and they're also in what is undoubtedly the easier group - with Ireland, NZ and possibly Holland, even if Pakistan get through it's not as tough as the other four.
my money is on india..
Who could be playing South Africa in the final as they look the strongest two on what we have seen so far.
DanWilde1966
08-06-2009, 21:56
Lashings of schadenfreude in my house celebrating the demise of Australia. Mucho lack of confidence in Australian minds as we head towards the Ashes... :thumbs:
Pakistan looking shakey, 94-2 after 12 overs
Pakistan look doomed here - no real urgency to score the big runs they need to quality!
99-3, Netherlands for the super8 ? :D
150kph+ delivery from Nannes, finding this Netherlands side more and more impressive - why do they have no test status and Bangladesh do.
Pakistan 156/4 with two overs remaining.. unless they hit a stupid amount of sixes in the last two overs they aint got a chance in hell in qualifying!! :(
fireworks at last, Younus was hitting out, but didn't last long.
bbc live text is on drugs:
"Ten Doeschate over deep mid-wicket for a beast of a six" :?:
"Chinese pulls for four" :dork:
"Peter Beardsley was being investigated for bullying." :nuts:
150kph+ delivery from Nannes, finding this Netherlands side more and more impressive - why do they have no test status and Bangladesh do.
I think their recent tournament form has been abysmal - they do appear to be the best of the rest in this tourney. Seen this before though from the likes of Bangladesh, Kenya and Zimbabwe in previous World Cups and the last Twenty/20 tourney as well.
EDIT: Pakistan 175-5 after their 20 overs - going to need a big effort with the ball to make it through now.
to be honest i dont think the UK climate does any of the big boys any favour!! its strange how the minnows do well in such tournaments and the bigger teams end up crashing out!!
175-5 at the finish for Pakistan but Netherlands only need 151 to go through to Super8s
To be honest, I thought it was going to be more like 130/140 odd - 151 is a fairly decent to try and defend. Especially with the Netherlands being so inexperienced in such big games.
might very well be 131, there's some confusion on what they require to qualify, is it 25 run difference or 75%? if it's 75% then reaching over 131 will be enough.
To be honest they probably aren't even going to make 100.
yep looking like it now, reminds of the good old days of England collapses :suspect:
singhstar
09-06-2009, 15:08
bowling masterclass from pakistan today, i think the fielding/batting will see them knocked out next round though
bloody hell.. looks like pakistan will get to the super 8s.. that means more heart-attack material in the next couple of weeks!
I think that people gave the Dutch way too much credit. Yes they are a lot better than you would think but they beat an England team that not only took their opposition way too lightly but played very very poorly as well. Pakistan got a wake up call when they got spanked and are putting in the performance they need to win and win well.
bloody hell.. we win!! 93 all out!! guess were through to the super 8s by run rate...
guess i need to grow some more nails and have my underwear washed for the next match
Pakistan to win the tournament then :D
Who do they play first in the super 8s then ?
Should be Sri Lanka for them first up.
Hopefully normal service regarding Pakistan sucking would have resumed by then. ;)
I think that people gave the Dutch way too much credit.
Me included, but that just cos I've not seen them play before. Well good see Pakistan going through.
Let see how good SA is against NZ now...
I don't know what they can do but I think the ICC needs to come up with a way of doing away these dead rubber games. This match and both tomorrows are pointless so something needs to be done to keep the competitive nature of the tournament going.
94-5 after 16 overs, doesn't look like a world beating side
I looked to me as if South Africa were not really bothered while the Kiwi's playing their first full 20/20 match were. Their batting tactics especially at the start was puzzling as they were on going along at just over 6 an over.
Didn't get the 'dead rubber games' comment before, I thought they might as least be playing for a stake in who plays who in the super8s but doesn't look like from the fixtures from the bbc site.
My predications for semis;
New Zealand - they have Pakistan and Ireland to beat, which they should do.
Sri Lanka - same reason as above :D
..other two teams are probably going to have to fight it out, its between India, West Indies and South Africa. Can't see England getting past India, South Africa or West Indies (even with earlier summer games)
Good finish to the match but how did the Kiwis mess that chase up, ignoring the run out from the final ball they only lost four wickets but were guilty of batting to slowly in chasing a low total. South Africa did well to defend that total.
did anyone see that fielding to save the 6 after it was over the boundary from sri lanka - that was probably the most amazing bit of fielding i've seen for the quick thinking, palming it over then leaving the pitch jumping from it and hitting the ball in while in the air to avoid giving a 6 away was fairly amazing thinking.
singhstar
11-06-2009, 11:30
it was amazing! t20 really is fantastic, ended up watching india yesterday instead of the footie which i never thought i would do!
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DanWilde1966
11-06-2009, 11:44
That ball went over the rope, even if it didn't touch the ground. Does that mean it was actually a six (though it wasn't credited as such), or is this a grey area in the game's laws that will need explanation?
No gray area, it was the correct decision.
3. Scoring a boundary
(a) A boundary shall be scored and signalled by the umpire at the bowler’s end whenever, while the ball is in play, in his opinion
(i) the ball touches the boundary, or is grounded beyond the boundary.
(ii) a fielder, with some part of his person in contact with the ball, touches the boundary or has some part of his person grounded beyond the boundary.
Law 19 (Boundaries) (http://www.lords.org/laws-and-spirit/laws-of-cricket/laws/law-19-boundaries,45,AR.html)
:dork:
that piece of fielding was fantastic, missed that game yesterday, the ball was not grounded and not a six as the rules say.
so what are the hopes of England today? less than an hour to go, unlikely but hope they win over SA. should be good game.
It was a superb piece of fielding, I don't think I have ever seen anything like that before.
I wasn't that impressed with South Africa the other night when they only scored 128 but they bowled and fielded well to win the match.
Looking doomed already - Wright and Bopara both back in the hutch for 4 on the board :(
what a disastrous start hopefully they turn it around, anything can happen within a matter 1-2 overs
good over, two 4s and followed by two very good balls.. KP needs to last at the wicket and make this one count
Parnell - 2 overs/2 runs and 10 dot balls :(
Start the car - KP out and England sinking without a trace at 25-3 :oh-hum:
:brickwall didn't need that!
Wicket maiden from Morkel - lowest opening 6 over total in the tourney thus far :mad:
EDIT: Shah survives a close a run out call as you can get!
A maiden over in 20/20 cricket - oh dear we are right in the mire already.
LouBarlow
11-06-2009, 17:04
Good old England :lol:
are they in practice test match here! FFS hit the ball
2 sixes.. wooo.. only need 10 more and we got a game :nuts:
Need to somehow reach 160 to have a good chance here - Shah made some inroads in that last over though!
EDIT: Kallis cleans out Colly - lets hope Dimi's got the hot bat today!
Scrub that - Foster comes in ahead of Dimi!
Collingwood goes now to an awful shot, at least it brings in someone who might clear the ropes.
collingwood gone might be a blessing in disguise
Foster out after a hopeless looking 4 ball innings :oh-hum:
EDIT: Dimi cleaned out as well now - a pathetic 82-6 now
uh.. wheres Mascarenhas? whats he leaving til the last over to come!
lol by the time i typed that, foster was out and mascarenhas in... last hope!
Now we really are in the mire, six down for just 82 :(
lol by the time i typed that, foster was out and mascarenhas in... last hope!
And by the time you typed this Dimi was out :D
England wickets are like buses tonight.
Shah edges one behind - an absolute nightmare of a day from us :(
100 might just be possible you know...
DanWilde1966
11-06-2009, 17:39
This is a miserable, stinky, embarrassing England performance. 92-8!!
Swann out - when did Trent Bridge become a bowler's paradise?
some please just close your eyes and takes a few swings...might get lucky with 6x6
DanWilde1966
11-06-2009, 17:46
England paralysed with fear, hacking and slashing away at the ball. This is excruciating.
SA just light years ahead of everyone in the field - so sharp and quick.
Someone get Rashid some glasses - can't even hit the damn ball!
111 all out - an utter mismatch against SA once again in a major tourney. I can see a WC 2007 annihilation from Smith and co. England's LOWEST ever T20 total as well - great timing for it :oh-hum:
impeccable fielding and bowling from south africa, really dismal performance from england, be over in 10-11 overs from south africa?
What a poor performance but superb stuff all round from South Africa who had England in their pocket right from the start. We all knew that when England came up against a top team they might struggle but I never thought that this would happen.
jermainejones
11-06-2009, 18:33
Yet another game England invents but is totally crap at!
I don't see why South Africa just don't go for this and get their run rate up instead of scratching around, they only need 65 from 62 balls.
Kallis and Gibbs in a nice net session here - they could just step on our throats any time here :(
Gibbs goes trying to finish it the right way but the wicket is meaningless, we have been totally outplayed and classed tonight and South Africa have shown why they are one of (along with India) the favourites to win this.
Totally outclassed by SA, their fielding was on another planet compared to ours.
Still have a fancy for Sri Lanka to win it though.
SL vs PK today, missing the match travelling back, but looking like Pakistan might pull through and win this one! What happened with Sri Lanka today with only a score of 151?
spoke too soon, afdri comes and presses self destruct :oh-hum: noticed how he left his helmet on as he walked back and seated, prob to filter out all the crowd?team swearing he's getting :lol:
41 runs needed from 18 balls so I can't see them doing it from here. Nearly a nasty collision for the during wicket.
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