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Raziel

24-05-2009, 18:29

May not be a surprise for a lot of people but was news to me so thought I'd post it........

http://oxcgn.com/2007/10/20/forza-motorsport-3-on-its-way-2009/

Announcement allegedly to be released the day before this year's Le Mans (12th June) for a release date around either November or possibly early next year, depending on where you take your gossip from. Article includes the logo and announcement that the Le Mans track will be included;

The 24 HEURES DU MANS is run on the 13 – 14th June, so the date on the image fits in perfectly with pre-race announcements.

Thanks to our affiliate lvl2gamer we have this neat image of the track with the date “save the date” embedded on it.

Well I can assure you, you WILL know about Forza 3 before the 12th June from – OXCGN. We have an appointment with MS when we land in LA on four “secrete games” to be announced during E3, and I’m 99% certain that Forza 3 is amongst those four titles.

I know that certain art assets have arrived at a Sydney firm for work to be begun on the release of “certain titles”. This usually has a 3-4 month lead up window before release, making it around the November period, which would fit in with my predictions of a Nov 11-12th Release date for Forza 3 (OXCGN’s prediction for release, not an official statement)

Personally I'm really looking forward to this and still have fun on Forza 2 :clap:

JohnMac

24-05-2009, 18:33

I thought this was going to be one of the games shown at Microsoft's E3 press conference.

Raziel

24-05-2009, 18:42

Assume so too, maybe its the Le Mans track thats being announced later on in June, who knows.

ShakeyJake

24-05-2009, 18:45

"four secrete games" presumable translates to four crap games?

nsb

24-05-2009, 19:24

Hmm 4

Forza 3, a new halo, Metal Gear and ????

JohnMac

24-05-2009, 19:30

Forza 3
APB (it's got to be at E3, not really new though)
Thi4f (wishful thinking)
GTA IV next city (exclusive)?

lettuce

24-05-2009, 19:53

Midtown Madness 4, please

mikegray

24-05-2009, 20:58

Midtown Madness 4, please

*sold*

I'd forgotten about MM but it would be great on live.

T4V

24-05-2009, 22:46

They shouldn't try doing this at Le Mans, that's been Gran Turismo's track for 10+ years.

JohnMac

24-05-2009, 23:43

...Metal Gear...

http://www.konami.jp/kojima_pro/next/index.html

mattferret

25-05-2009, 08:29

Hmm 4

Forza 3, a new halo, Metal Gear and ????

Halo ODST is coming out towards the end of the year, so cant see them announcing another HALO.

They shouldn't try doing this at Le Mans, that's been Gran Turismo's track for 10+ years.

Le Man is also featured in Moto GP games, so can't see why they shouldnt use another real life track in forza, I personally would rather play tracks i recognise in Forza 3.

JohnMac

25-05-2009, 09:10

The only things putting me off Forza 3 are the incredibly long repetitive grind that completing Forza 2 turned out to be and, the prospect of it being almost exactly the same. Need for Speed: Shift is looking like the next PGR-style game and by the end of the year it will look fresh and new compared to Forza if they don't significantly add to the number of tracks and the variety in the game.

T4V

25-05-2009, 09:18

Le Man is also featured in Moto GP games, so can't see why they shouldnt use another real life track in forza, I personally would rather play tracks i recognise in Forza 3.

Le Mans is featured in MANY games (Grid for example) but in real life if you've ever watched a single lap of the circuit on TV, once you've seen the Mulsanne straight there is only one game in your head.

Example below, 1:37 in

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Its been like that for 10 years, along with cars covered in GT livery.

If they want to out-trump GT in brand image terms, going to Le Mans is a bad idea.

KRW

25-05-2009, 09:46

Exclusive DLC is annoying enough, never mind exclusive circuits.

mattferret

25-05-2009, 09:53

my point is that the actual tracks in forza play very well with regards to the gradient changes, the accuracy of the actual track with regards to racing not visuals. - I would love to play all the well known places, SPA, Brands, Monza to name a few that i would love to play on..

Gran Tourismo and Forza are very different and on differing platforms therefore having the track in both would make these tracks available to me as it does in the the moto GP games.

T4V

25-05-2009, 10:22

Well my point is as a marketing exercise they shouldn't have chosen Le Mans as shown above its never going to get into the minds of gamers as its clearly a "GT Track" whether its the game or not.

MarcusUK

25-05-2009, 10:27

its clearly a "GT Track"

Is it?

I'll not bother with Forza 3 personally. I found 2 to be such a grind fest in the single player mode. Most of the last endurance races I just hired an ingame driver to do the races for me.

mattferret

25-05-2009, 11:10

I look at Le Man and see moto GP, so it depends on what eyes you are looking through.

T4V

25-05-2009, 11:16

I look at Le Man and see moto GP, so it depends on what eyes you are looking through.
That's the mini circuit, I'm talking about the full manly 13.629 km one. :p

mattferret

25-05-2009, 11:32

That's the mini circuit, I'm talking about the full manly 13.629 km one. :p

I like the mini circuit :thumbs:

Isnt the mini circuit the one that they are looking at on the possible forza map thats been banned about ? :?:

Morton

25-05-2009, 19:58

Well my point is as a marketing exercise they shouldn't have chosen Le Mans as shown above its never going to get into the minds of gamers as its clearly a "GT Track" whether its the game or not.

I'm not too fussed what platform it's been on before - I'll be pleased to play the track on this generation of consoles rather waiting for GT5.

JohnMac

26-05-2009, 22:13

I posted this link earlier in the thread but Less than 3 hours to go (http://www.konami.jp/kojima_pro/next/index.html) what will it be?

MarcusUK

26-05-2009, 22:29

I doubt it's Forza 3

JohnMac

27-05-2009, 06:05

Not that hard to drive with a patch over one eye is it. ;)

punisher46

03-06-2009, 20:02

very nice look at Forza:
http://www.gamersyde.com/news_7975_en.html

Aardvark_DK

04-06-2009, 14:21

Yay, proper dash view! I'm sold. Or rather, I'm buying.

I could do without the silly Codemasters rewind function but, of course, one can just choose not to use it.

odin

04-06-2009, 16:20

It does look excellent :thumbs:

400+ cars
100+ tracks
2 Discs
Released October '09

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Source (http://forzamotorsport.net/en-us/game/default.htm)

Forza Motorsport 3 will ship on two discs
In an interview with Joystiq, Forza Motorsport 3 content director John Wendl of Turn 10, confirmed the upcoming racer would ship on two discs. As rumors last year noted, the core game will come on the game's first disc while the second will be reserved for other content -- such as vehicles and maps. "It is going to ship on two discs," Wendl said. "Disc one is the full experience, even disc one is bigger than any other racing game out there. Disc two includes a lot of extra cars, even a handful of tracks."

When asked if the second disc would act as a data transfer, downloading the additional content to the hard drive for use with the first disc, Wendl told us that was "exactly right." While Turn 10 assures all gamers will be able to enjoy the full Forza 3 experience, we now have confirmation that not all gamers will be able to enjoy all 400 vehicles promised at the Microsoft press briefing.

Source (http://www.joystiq.com/2009/06/04/forza-motorsport-3-will-ship-on-two-discs/)

ShakeyJake

04-06-2009, 16:30

Final Lap! Please insert disc 2.

hezzer

04-06-2009, 19:08

Wonder if they will have some form of protection on disk 2 that will only allow it to be transferred once, to try and restrict trade ins :suspect:

odin

14-07-2009, 18:51

New Sports cars and SUVs screens posted @ Gamersyde (http://www.gamersyde.com/news_forza_3_sports_cars_and_suvs-8255_en.html)

Mercedes-Benz SL65 AMG Black is in! :thumbs:

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/8193/imageforzamotorsport311.th.jpg (http://img66.imageshack.us/i/imageforzamotorsport311.jpg/)

KRW

14-07-2009, 21:47

2 discs? Have they run out of space or something?

luffk

14-07-2009, 22:13

I like forza but hope its not as grind tastic this time.

The other one was a right chore to get through.

odin

27-07-2009, 20:16

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Forza Motorsport 3 Limited Collector’s Edition Details Revealed (http://www.forzacentral.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32024)

October 27 will mark the launch of “Forza Motorsport 3” in North America, exclusively on Xbox 360. With more than 400 cars on over 100 tracks, the next game in the heralded series will be the biggest and most vividly realistic console racing title launching this holiday. And while all “Forza Motorsport 3” players will get to experience the bone-jarring physics, unparalleled levels of customization, and epic car and track list, fans who purchase the Limited Collector’s Edition will find even more goodies under the hood.

Available for purchase exclusively at Gamestop in the U.S., the Forza Motorsport 3 Limited Collector’s Edition (LCE) gives aspiring drivers, tuners and painters instant VIP Membership status within the Forza community including special recognition in the new Storefront feature as well as the online Auction House, scoreboards, ForzaMotorsport.net and more. As a VIP member, consumers gain exclusive access to five of the world’s hottest cars:

* 2009 Aston Martin DBS
* 2009 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1
* 2007 Ferrari 430 Scuderia
* 2007 Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera
* 2007 Porsche 911 GT3 RS (997)

And if you crave cars, you won’t want to miss another perk of the “Forza Motorsport 3” LCE – an Exclusive Collector’s Car Pack, personally hand-picked, tuned and painted by the team at Turn 10:

* Audi R8 5.2 FSI Quattro (Forza Motorsport 3 Hero Car)
* Acura NSX (Forza Motorsport Cover Car)
* Nissan Fairlady (Forza Motorsport 2 Cover Car)
* Aston Martin DB9 (Forza Motorsport 2 European Cover Car)
* 2008 Dodge Charger Stock Car (with Xbox 360 livery)

In addition to the exclusive cars, Turn 10 also plans to create a series of new and exclusive designs and tuning kits exclusively for VIPs. And to show off your true “Forza Motorsport” pride and prowess, consumers also receive a Forza Motorsport 3 collector’s keychain and a 2GB USB thumbdrive in which you can store your favorite “Forza” videos, photos and designs to easily share them with friends.

Game (http://www.thedvdforums.com/affiliatelink.php?localaffiliateid=50&url=http://www.game.co.uk/Xbox360/Racing/~r342988/Forza-Motorsport-3-Ltd-Edition-with-Exclusive-ingame-M3-E92-BMW/) have it for £54.99 with BMW E92 bonus car.

Gamestation (http://www.thedvdforums.com/affiliatelink.php?localaffiliateid=52&url=http://gamestation.co.uk/Xbox360/Racing/~r416981/Forza-Motorsport-3-Ltd-Edition-with-exclusive-ingame-lancer-evo-x/) have it for £54.99 with Lancer Evo X bonus car.

ShakeyJake

27-07-2009, 20:20

I'm sticking with the pauper edition. I've never bought a special editon and not about to start now! :p

odin

27-07-2009, 20:25

October's a while away yet but £54.99 at the mo is a bit :eek:

Matt KB

27-07-2009, 20:34

Thing is half the of exclusive cars are probably the best in the game. That Nissan in Forza 2 was awesome and you could only get it by preordering - never by trading if you didn't have the code. Now not only is it more money for more cars, but you have to buy it at 4 different retailers to get everything.

************.

odin

28-07-2009, 19:27

You can get £5 off if you use 'lastminute09' code @ Game (http://www.thedvdforums.com/affiliatelink.php?localaffiliateid=50&url=http://www.game.co.uk/Xbox360/Racing/~r342988/Forza-Motorsport-3-Ltd-Edition-with-Exclusive-ingame-M3-E92-BMW/)

:thinking:

Spooksta

28-07-2009, 20:37

odin

30-07-2009, 09:55

IGN have put up an article on the Forza 3 Career Mode (http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/100/1008721p1.html)

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/6725/forzamotorsport32009072h.th.jpg (http://img126.imageshack.us/i/forzamotorsport32009072h.jpg/)

TonyG

30-07-2009, 10:10

Career Mode already sounding much better than the previous game.

Also according to that article, Europe gets the game, THREE weeks before the US. :thumbs:

sirp

30-07-2009, 11:08

looking yummy, cant wait

Masha

30-07-2009, 12:54

The exclusive / ltd edition cars in Forza 2 are all distinctly average (I have them all, ooooh :) )

I wouldnt worry about not being able to keep up if you dont get them for forza 3 I think theyre sure to take the same approach.

andyp2

30-07-2009, 14:27

Damn that looks good - pre-ordered!

odin

31-07-2009, 09:07

Part 2 (http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/100/1009381p1.html) of the IGN preview is up :thumbs:

res

31-07-2009, 09:19

Part 2 (http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/100/1009381p1.html) of the IGN preview is up :thumbs:

Wow, this sounds GOOD... :clap:

TonyG

31-07-2009, 09:24

Sounds very impressive. Will be interesting to see how the Tuning market develops. Looks like there will be no more, slapping on super-sticky tyres & a big **** off Turbo onto your car to win everything.

Tastydirt

31-07-2009, 10:16

Looks like there will be no more, slapping on super-sticky tyres & a big **** off Turbo onto your car to win everything.

:(

odin

01-08-2009, 13:58

Part 3 (http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/100/1009862p1.html) of the IGN preview is up :thumbs:

Forza's always controlled well and has been at the top of its game in terms of physics, but Forza 3 just feels better. Everything about it, from the subtle differences in handling from one car to the next to the sense of speed to the feeling of a connection with the road. Forza 3 is better. No doubt about it.

Ono

01-08-2009, 14:21

OK, what's the best wheel I can get for this? (Excl the Porsche GT opne :D )

Is the M$ official one any cop?

Tastydirt

01-08-2009, 14:46

overide

01-08-2009, 21:28

October's a while away yet but £54.99 at the mo is a bit :eek:

£31.97 at TESCO (http://www.thedvdforums.com/affiliatelink.php?localaffiliateid=79&url=http://direct.tesco.com/q/R.206-8535.aspx) :thumbs:

EDIT: Oops. Just noticed you were taliking about the Limited Edition. Anyway, good price still stands.

msm13579

02-08-2009, 01:08

There was a Logitech one for sale recently as low as £18, I have one and it's surprisingly good, even compared to a Logitech MOMO PC one I've got. The MS one isn't much better IMO, my friend had one and it broke within 2 months too.

the MS one has propper force feedback though, so personally i'd expect it to be miles better (for games that support it well - like forza 2) than one without.

Tastydirt

02-08-2009, 01:49

The axial force feedback in the Logitech isn't bad at all. Not as strong as my Logitech MOMO with real force feedback but the feel is still pretty good.

Semps

02-08-2009, 08:56

the MS one has propper force feedback though, so personally i'd expect it to be miles better (for games that support it well - like forza 2) than one without.

100% agree. Whilst not perfect the microsoft wheel should out perform the cheap logitech one. The difference between a properly coded game with FF and one thats not can make a huge difference. (GT5 prologue on ps3 against F1 being one example imo)

(you can pick up the microsoft wheel for about £60 now) If only the 360 supported the G25 :(

TonyG

03-08-2009, 13:47

The IGN previews certainly wet the appetite but what do people think about the dumbing down the game? ... In particular, unlimited time-rewinds at no penalty, on every difficulty level.

Also it sounds like playing it on the hardest difficulty level, is the only real choice, even for those that are average racing-gamers.

Is there anyone out there brave enough to use the manual clutch?

res

03-08-2009, 13:58

In particular, unlimited time-rewinds at no penalty, on every difficulty level.

As long as lap times got with it can't be submitted to the leaderboards I really don't care about this.

I intend to use manual gears but not the clutch with the MS wheel. Will probably still use ABS and TCS as I'm not very skilled... :p

TonyG

03-08-2009, 14:10

Some interesting footage...

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Certainly looks better graphically than the previous release, much better lighting. Car physics still look a little false though, especially when watching the replay, not much body roll or suspension give over bumps/hills. Cockpit view also looks a little restrictive.

JohnMac

03-08-2009, 14:39

This still looks like it is going to be one hell of a grind. I was about done with Forza 2 at 50% through the game and there seems to be much more in this one. I suppose what will make or break the sale for me are the tracks. If the majority are rehashes of those in Forza 2 I'll probably skip this in favour of Dirt 2 and NFS: Shift. If on the other hand there are a lot of new tracks with plenty of variety then I will probably buy Forza 3. Even now the memory of how tedious Forza 2 got is a strong one and that video doesn't do anything to help erase it.

TonyG

03-08-2009, 14:45

I totally agree about the monotony of Forza 2's career mode, but hopefully with the press-release mentioning "...over 100 renowned real-world tracks and exotic road courses from around the globe" that issue should be addressed. Of course, these "100" tracks could be actually 50 tracks + reverse versions, but still, that is substantially more than the previous title.

allan

03-08-2009, 14:49

I didn't find it tedious until the long races near the end, and even then only the ones that took an hour or longer to finish.

sirp

03-08-2009, 14:56

As long as lap times got with it can't be submitted to the leaderboards I really don't care about this.

I intend to use manual gears but not the clutch with the MS wheel. Will probably still use ABS and TCS as I'm not very skilled... :p

unfortunately they do..with a label next to them saying so 'unverfied' or something, cant remember

TonyG

03-08-2009, 14:59

I recall from a preview that the label for a rewind-free lap is "Pure".

res

03-08-2009, 15:06

unfortunately they do..with a label next to them saying so 'unverfied' or something, cant remember

Oh, that is utter ******** then... :|

JohnMac

03-08-2009, 15:37

It will be OK if there si a filter for pure times though.

punisher46

03-08-2009, 16:08

in my opinion it needs more tracks and more cars on the road at once, unforunately it looks like there will be just 8 again......not sure I can think of many motorsports apart from the uk rallying where so few cars are on the track at once........I'd rather have th option to go 30fps with 16 cars...

Matt KB

03-08-2009, 17:36

and the single player mode sound stupidly annoyingly long :(

Agreed, I keep thinking about this and wondering if it's just *too* big. That said, the last one was a game you played for ages so I guess there's no rush to get through the single player but for me most of the time spent will be racing online - and I'll need cash to do that to get better cars to win races to buy more cars.

The steering wheel with the clutch is I guess needed although a bit annoying maybe for the people that bought the last one, especially as there's only been about 2 racers suitable for use with it since. Everytime I think I Forza at the mo it all sounds really good but boils down to that online racing, and the lack of time I have to pour into career mode to get up and running and get cars capable of racing with people on my friends list who are likely to tune it, and they'll always be that wonder that no matter how well anyone drives, if they're just better because of the setup. I guess the gears thing has always been an issue in racing games but maybe the sheer amount of variables in this just exacerbates the difference between players off the track really segregating the racers on the track.

As good as Forza 2 was, it was never as good for me as PGR2. NFS Shift looks like it might be but it's a NFS game so that's going to stop a lot of people getting it and hordes of people will buy Forza anyway, so I think that'll put NFS to bed (even if it's good).

That thing with the laptimes sounds a bit poor too - how many people will hammer each corner ad infinitum to get the top time. "Pure" or not, top is top.

allan

03-08-2009, 17:47

If it's nice and big that's not necessarily a bad thing. If it's a game I know I could play once a week perhaps, but will last me months and months then that's surely money well spent? You only tend to get tired of driving the same tracks if you play for hours on end day after day. Have a break between each championship for instance and suddenly you won't find it such a labourous task.

Matt KB

03-08-2009, 17:52

I agree with that, being so big isn't necessarily a dangerous thing. It is when it's like Forza 1 and 2 however, which were both huge, which any amount of break between championships still resulted in doing the same thing over and over. This has supposedly been rectified now but you still may have to play a lot early on to get the cash to be competitive online.

allan

03-08-2009, 17:58

Well if they included extra tracks downloadable content it would help, although sadly they wouldn't come into play in the normal career mode I would think.

MR.COATES

19-08-2009, 09:49

New pics!

http://edelmanadmin.psni.com/public/Forza%20Motorsport%203/

odin

19-08-2009, 11:08

Mmmm Lamborghini Reventon ...

Dreams Trailer Volume I

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allan

19-08-2009, 11:36

This does look pretty amazing graphically and they're still touting it as running at 60fps.

res

02-09-2009, 15:59

Buggati Veyron in Forza Motorsport 3 - Official Video

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sirp

02-09-2009, 18:34

cool!

Tastydirt

02-09-2009, 18:46

Looking hot!

Matt KB

05-09-2009, 09:12

From IGN:

Although I didn't get a chance to see multiplayer at PAX, I was told that Turn 10 will be running dedicated servers for online matches and will offer full matchmaking functionality a la Halo 3. So while you'll still be able to sync up with friends for private matches, you can also hop into playlists for automated multiplayer action.

Dedicated servers eh. Also looks like those who set pure or "Certified" times will sit atop the leaderboards ahead of uncertified times (damaged, drafted or used rewind to set a lap).

http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/102/1021801p1.html

TonyG

05-09-2009, 13:11

Cheers Matt for the good news. :thumbs:

odin

11-09-2009, 14:15

'Forza Motorsport 3' (X360) Goes Gold, Demo Coming Sept. 24 (http://worthplaying.com/article/2009/9/11/news/68319/)

The new demo lets you get behind the wheel of five of the world’s most amazing cars on the full circuit of the game’s Camino Viejo track. The demo includes five playable cars:

* 2007 Porsche #80 Flying Lizard 911 GT3-RSR
* 2010 Audi R8 5.2 FSI quattro
* 2009 Ferrari California
* 2008 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X GSR
* 2009 Mini John Cooper Works

You will be able to drive all of the cars in the demo in full cock-pit view as well as experience damage, rollover and try out the game’s new rewind feature as you take turns on a beautiful Spanish mountain course inspired by the Montserrat region just outside of Barcelona, Spain. When logged into Xbox LIVE, the demo will also support official leaderboards for lap times, giving you a further taste of what players will experience in “Forza Motorsport 3.”

res

11-09-2009, 14:32

'Forza Motorsport 3' (X360) Goes Gold, Demo Coming Sept. 24 (http://worthplaying.com/article/2009/9/11/news/68319/)

Awesome to the MAX!!! :thumbs:

TonyG

11-09-2009, 14:40

Cheers for the good news! :thumbs:

punisher46

12-09-2009, 07:25

Just watched the latest vid for this on gamersyde and the track looked fairly dull...:(

res

12-09-2009, 08:50

Sedona Raceway Gameplay

Go for a ride in the 2004 Toyota #35 Yellow Hat YMS Supra in a lap around the Sedona Raceway in Forza Motorsport 3's Club Circuit.

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Bill Geise shows off Forza's latest installment on the floor of PAX 2009.

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Intro

Forza Motorsport 3 has gone gold and is racing toward the checkered flag with the announcement

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odin

17-09-2009, 22:37

* Forza Pitpass Report: The Ferrari Collection Pt. 1 (http://forzamotorsport.net/en-us/_templates/NewsDetail.aspx?id=1876)

Screenshots :

* Ferrari Collection 1 (http://forzamotorsport.net/en-us/media/images/default.htm?galleryid=1875#/screenshot/1712/)

* Ferrari Collection 2 (http://forzamotorsport.net/en-us/media/images/default.htm?galleryid=1987#/screenshot/1935/)

The Amalfi Coast track looks amazing! :clap:

Cockeye

17-09-2009, 23:42

LordoftheDance

18-09-2009, 08:35

So there's no chance of this coming out on PS3 then?

msm13579

18-09-2009, 08:37

So there's no chance of this coming out on PS3 then?

that's just as likely as GT5 coming out on the 360. so basically no chance at all.

punisher46

19-09-2009, 08:14

Wow:
http://www.gamersyde.com/news_more_forza_3_-8531_en.html

ShakeyJake

19-09-2009, 08:29

I think Polyphony are going to have to pull off something pretty special to beat Forza this year

Cockeye

19-09-2009, 10:37

Wow:
http://www.gamersyde.com/news_more_forza_3_-8531_en.html

Woah! :eek:

punisher46

19-09-2009, 10:39

exactly, just watched on the big screen tv and it looks stunning, hoping the racing is as lively....

JohnMac

19-09-2009, 11:10

Isn't that exactly the same New York track configuration that was in Gran Turismo 4, or am I thinking of Forza 2?

nutter45

19-09-2009, 11:18

forza 2, but with added chicanes

JohnMac

19-09-2009, 11:26

Forza 3 does look very polished indeed. For me, I think this is the driving sim to own more than Gran Turismo 5.

I'm only going off the experience of playing Forza 2, Gran Turismo 4 and GT5 Prologue and seeing the Forza 3 videos; but the Forza series seems authentic without feeling like being trapped in a broken down lift with a car enthusiast (but unfortunately with the lift music still working).

TonyG

19-09-2009, 12:21

Visually looks easily on par with GT5. If they can have better AI, this will blow away GT5.

nsb

19-09-2009, 12:30

It will be the definitive racing game of this generation.

allan

19-09-2009, 12:36

Certainly looking very impressive compared to Forza 2 and GT5, I just hope the career mode isn't going to take me 40 hours to complete again!

odin

19-09-2009, 12:39

Visually looks easily on par with GT5. If they can have better AI, this will blow away GT5.
I think GT5 will be the GFX king but Forza will definitely hold the AI crown :thumbs:

Next week is a great week for racers as the 24th is when TGS starts where lots of new GT5 info will be announced and cheeky Turn 10 are releasing the Forza 3 demo on the same day! :D

john316

19-09-2009, 12:41

Wow:
http://www.gamersyde.com/news_more_forza_3_-8531_en.html

:eek: - that looks just insane!

Ono

19-09-2009, 12:42

Wasn't Forza 2 just as smooth?

I have to be wary not to be taken in by hype as I hardly touched F2 :D

Matt KB

19-09-2009, 12:59

Certainly looking very impressive compared to Forza 2 and GT5, I just hope the career mode isn't going to take me 40 hours to complete again!

From what they've said I reckon it'll take longer than that.

Bapapapa

19-09-2009, 13:22

Wasn't Forza 2 just as smooth?

I have to be wary not to be taken in by hype as I hardly touched F2 :DI only played it for a few hours and even then I spent more time in the livery designer than I did driving on the track.. :nuts:

TonyG

22-09-2009, 15:08

Ferrari fans, time to get out the tissues & hand-cream....
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T4V

22-09-2009, 15:46

Forza Ferrari trailer trumped by the GT5 Ferrari trailer ;)

TonyG

22-09-2009, 17:11

Forza Ferrari trailer trumped by the GT5 Ferrari trailer ;)
Visually better, I agree, but does the GT5 video use the game-engine? ..... I'm highly suspicious it isn't. :p

lettuce

22-09-2009, 17:39

Plus with Forza 3, you be able to make these type of videos with the in game video editior mode!!, i dont know if GT5 has this type of editing mode??

sirp

22-09-2009, 19:40

Visually better, I agree, but does the GT5 video use the game-engine? ..... I'm highly suspicious it isn't. :p

of course it won't be. Thats what they have been spending 3 generations of time building..you will be able to buy "GT5 prologue part 2, complete with flashy trailer edition" for £18 before the final game drops :)

Aardvark_DK

23-09-2009, 13:39

Plus with Forza 3, you be able to make these type of videos with the in game video editior mode!!, i dont know if GT5 has this type of editing mode??
And you'll be able to play the game before 2015. ;)

MR.COATES

24-09-2009, 09:29

Demo, Theme and avatar clothing now live!

sirp

24-09-2009, 09:29

Demo is live

MR.COATES

24-09-2009, 09:31

Demo is live

Too slow, LOSER!

:lol:

sirp

24-09-2009, 09:34

Bloomin iPhone :)

Matt KB

24-09-2009, 09:35

Bah I was waiting for that AceyBongos fella to tell me it was ready, lazy *******.

res

24-09-2009, 09:38

Demo is live

God damn work. Will have to download tonight... :(

Tastydirt

24-09-2009, 09:38

Oh how I wish I could queue the download and turn on my Xbox remotely.

MR.COATES

24-09-2009, 09:41

Oh how I wish I could queue the download and turn on my Xbox remotely.

At least you can queue it via the marketplace remotely.

You'll save a few valuable seconds at least!

80% now....

Incidentally, the demo weighs in at a chunky 1.25gb

Tastydirt

24-09-2009, 09:43

At least you can queue it via the marketplace remotely.

You'll save a few valuable seconds at least!

I just tried and it's not on the website yet.

MR.COATES

24-09-2009, 09:47

Here we go people!

:clap:

5 Cars:

Mini Coooper (Works)
Evo X GSR
Ferrari California
Audi R8 FSI quattro
Porsche 911 GT3-RSR (Flying Lizard)

1 Track:
The monumental thing we've been seeing in the vids (Camino Viejo de Montserrat)

Time for some racing....

OK.

It's good. REALLY good.

Visually it's comparable with GT5 Prologue and occasionally surpasses it (that's a huge compliment IMO).

Handling is spot on but I expected that after Forza 2, it's taking it a good step forward too though.

Quite a few other car models on show beyond the ones you can race.

If I hadn't pre-ordered it, this would be the ONLY motivation I'd need. Impressive stuff!!

My only criticism is the in-car view (which is my favourite in many games). The windscreen is too clear, it's as if there's no glass. That may sound stupid but if you usually race in-car you might see what I mean!

Edit:
Nearly forgot!!!
The rewind feature is flippin brilliant! In some of the longer races on Forza 2 there had been many times where I had totally messed up on the last lap of a long race and ended up losing. The rewind button (back) takes the race back a few seconds and you can correct your mistake. Genius idea.

RichB

24-09-2009, 09:57

odd can't find it online, is it on the dash?

MR.COATES

24-09-2009, 09:59

On the dash, go into the marketplace, browse all and Forza 3 is there (select all downloads if necessary).

Drysolder

24-09-2009, 10:05

God damn work. Will have to download tonight... :(

Ditto... :(

nsb

24-09-2009, 10:54

The rewind button (back) takes the race back a few seconds and you can correct your mistake. Genius idea.

Pilfered from GRiD? :p

JohnMac

24-09-2009, 10:57

Had one race driving the Mini Coooper. The graphics are very good, handling is decent and that combined with the excellent track with good changes in elevation and lots of corners makes concentration and racing line key to victory. What can I say, Forza is back and as good as it ever was. I hope there are plenty of new tracks like this one. :)

If I had a complaint or two it would just be I don't care for the really white interface of the demo, loading times (it seems to load twice) and yes I see what you are saying about the in-car view Mr Coates but I think it is just a first impressions issue and it offers a good view of the road ahead.

Edit: Special mention to the replays. Not only can you change the view to lots of camera angles including some unusual ones, there are 7 pages of telemetry data you can cycle between while in any view.

Matt KB

24-09-2009, 10:57

Good job they didn't pilfer the handling from Grid.

MR.COATES

24-09-2009, 10:57

I rented Grid but didn't play it much - (probably why I'm so impressed with this 'new' feature in Forza!).

:lol:

MR.COATES

24-09-2009, 11:00

yes I see what you are saying about the in-car view Mr Coates but I think it is just a first impressions issue and it offers a good view of the road ahead.

That's the other side of the coin, the in-car view can sometimes make racing awkward due to the restricted view - at least the visibility of the road ahead is super clear!

JohnMac

24-09-2009, 11:22

That's the other side of the coin, the in-car view can sometimes make racing awkward due to the restricted view - at least the visibility of the road ahead is super clear!

If you go to the reverse hood view you can see there is definitely a windscreen in there. On another note you might have noticed that there is a Camera icon and an X button Camera label on the replays. Not only are there loads of camera views but when you select say, helicopter or roof cam' pressing the x button then cycles through all the roof or helicopter camera views. I've spent about 5 minutes racing and the rest watching the replays. :)

MR.COATES

24-09-2009, 11:25

The replays are very good.

kohoutec

24-09-2009, 11:45

Not been on my 360 much lately but this will tempt me back...take it you need a Gold XBL Sub to download the demo at the moment?

movaado

24-09-2009, 11:51

For sure - silver members have to wait a week

kohoutec

24-09-2009, 11:53

Thought as much, thanks :)

JohnMac

24-09-2009, 12:03

The Forza 3 demo is very good, as far as it goes - as a teaser for the full game. They could have included more tracks or more than one configuration of the same track to play, actual events to take part in instead of just an unnamed 2 lap race, vehicle setup and other customisation options to play with.

My pre-order was already in but it is definitely now a safe pre-order.

sirp

24-09-2009, 12:10

whats with the unuseable mirrors in incar view...or have i missed something on panning etc? i can only just see my wing mirror, and half my rearview one?

res

24-09-2009, 12:12

God damn work. Will have to download tonight... :(

Went home at lunch time to get the download started, should be ready by the time I get home... :thumbs: :dork:

sirp

24-09-2009, 12:33

also, where are the leaderboards...have we got the right demo?

Matt KB

24-09-2009, 13:02

Unclear, if you push left on the dpad you get to see the drift scoring though.

ShakeyJake

24-09-2009, 13:11

Wow i love it :D It's a lot of fun on hard, not trying 2 levels above that though :p

I'm not sure if they're telling us to expect a RROD with that loading icon.

Gavin

24-09-2009, 14:21

Dunno whether to download this or just wait for the full thing - don't want to spoil my anticipation!

tuco

24-09-2009, 16:07

Tried to download it by trying a trial gold key i got with GTA 4, scrubbed off the silver and entered the code and it says the code has already been redeemed ? really annoying that you can't get demo's straight away for free like on PSN.

Received email saying i've activated the months trial but i'm still silver on my 360 ?

Joffy

24-09-2009, 17:01

fivebyfive

24-09-2009, 17:16

you just need to log out then log back in

tuco

24-09-2009, 17:16

That didn't work but setting the download from xbox.com marketplace did, even though my 360 still says silver.

odin

24-09-2009, 18:00

From a Turn10 guy at the official forums :thumbs:

Servers need some configuration tweaks and after that the leaderboard option will show up when selecting the track.

Also, note that once leaderboards are up, you'll not only be able to post your lap times, but you'll also be able to download replays and race against ghosts.

And, there will be no lap limit when racing from the leaderboards. You can hot lap for as long as you want.

daboy3000

24-09-2009, 18:58

Just been playing the demo.

It's a load of rubbish..........

......that i have to wait 4 weeks for the full game, because the demo is great!!

TonyG

24-09-2009, 19:03

Very enjoyable little demo. Graphics are much improved over the previous release & the in-car view seems very playable. Handling for each of the five demo cars was noticeably different between each other, but not that much different from Forza 2, not that i'm complaining as I like this handling, feels very smooth after playing the twitchy, shakey NFS:Shift.

Consider me suitably impressed & very eager for the full thing. :thumbs:

nutter45

24-09-2009, 19:52

This looks mint :)

Out for Justice

25-09-2009, 07:20

Good demo - looking forward to rolling some custom cars.

photek

25-09-2009, 16:39

Played the demo last night and am now really glad I have my preorder in at Game - first game I've really looked forward to in quite a while.

ShakeyJake

25-09-2009, 16:44

I'm trying to work out how SirP is so much faster than me. I hope you can download replays like in Trials HD in the full game

JohnMac

25-09-2009, 16:46

When I replayed the demo last night I had a strange stuttering effect that I didn't get the first time I played the demo. I think it might be linked to the rewind feature because it kicked in just after I hit a barrier and the rewind reminder appears at the bottom of the screen. Has anybody else noticed this? It only happened a couple of times and only during one race.

TonyG

25-09-2009, 17:22

I'm trying to work out how SirP is so much faster than me. I hope you can download replays like in Trials HD in the full game
SirP is one of those rare show-offs ;) that uses manual gears, which usually makes a big difference if you can handle it, as automatic gearboxes in racing-games are never that effective.

daboy3000

25-09-2009, 17:32

Does anyone know how to post up a ghost time?

The drifting mode is really hard, best i can do is about 5000 points a lap!

Cockeye

25-09-2009, 18:05

drifting mode?

It's just one track one race isn't it :suspect:

daboy3000

25-09-2009, 18:41

drifting mode?

It's just one track one race isn't it :suspect:

Nope, instead of pressing a to start the race go into the leaderboards with Y button and you can race peoples ghosts on hot laps, no time or lap limit! Just find someone with an icon under the paperclip looking item or press A at the top and race yourself.

Press right on D Pad to go into the drifting option, samething but you get points for drifting.

Am i the only one who found this?:D

reecie

25-09-2009, 18:42

How do you get a ghost down? Can I get one from one of my friends? Demo is good. Won't be bothering buying it purely because it takes too much time up and I have other stuff I need to play!

sirp

25-09-2009, 18:49

SirP is one of those rare show-offs ;) that uses manual gears, which usually makes a big difference if you can handle it, as automatic gearboxes in racing-games are never that effective.

i wish i was a show off, i can only dream of being in the elite top 100 players....closest ive got is about 900 on Forza 2 :(

i need a full cockpit setup to achieve decent times..maybe one day

JohnMac

25-09-2009, 19:29

Drift Mode, I likes it. :)

odin

25-09-2009, 19:58

Loving this demo, the free run mode is so addictive!

Just been running around the reverse track aswell, loads of fun :thumbs:

Space Duck

25-09-2009, 20:52

I wish I was a showoff too but that demo didn't give a feeling of speed at all.... In Dirt 2 there's always that "Oh god, that wall appeared out of no where" type moment when you first play on a track...

I have a feeling when you get more than 2 laps and bigger tracks things will be a lot different...

Matt KB

25-09-2009, 21:30

What do all those weird symbols in the leaderboards mean? Looks like there's either a left or right or whole circle under ABS/TCS/AUTO then a paperclip (presumably ghost) then a little warning thing.

reecie

25-09-2009, 21:40

What do all those weird symbols in the leaderboards mean? Looks like there's either a left or right or whole circle under ABS/TCS/AUTO then a paperclip (presumably ghost) then a little warning thing.

Full circle is you have the option on. Not sure after that how you have a partial selection

odin

25-09-2009, 21:43

From Forza forum :thumbs:

ABS:
Full circle: Auto-brake and ABS
Half circle: Auto-brake or abs (not sure which side signifies which)
(NC comment) Right side = Auto-Brake, Left = ABS I believe.

TCS:
Full Circle: Traction control and Stability
Half Circle: Traction control or Stability (not sure which side signifies which)
(NC comment) Right side = Traction, Left = Stability I believe.

Auto:
Full circle: Automatic
Half circle: Manual
No circle: Manual with clutch

Paperclip:
Full circle: Saved ghost/replay (top 100 times posted after leaderboard was live)

Hazard sign:
Hazard sign means the lap is uncertified (hit a car, hit a wall, draft over 100mph, go off track)
No hazard sign means the lap is certified.

sirp

25-09-2009, 21:47

what is all this feeling of speed talk..has anyone actually driven a car round a race track? things dont just appear out of nowhere :) everyone has driven 80-100mph havent they, it doesnt feel like your a space pilot does it?

Matt KB

25-09-2009, 21:53

I like that the certified times appear above the non-certs in the leaderboards (even if the non-certs are quicker) and also in the race the best certified lap counts as the faster (even if there's a faster non-certified).

sirp

25-09-2009, 21:58

yeah, im glad that is the case matt, though wouldnt it have been much easier to not log the uncertified time at all?

Matt KB

25-09-2009, 22:06

I guess so but there are an awful lot of people with uncertified times, I guess if they're catering to everyone with the additional assists etc they have to cater to everyone with the leaderboards also. I don't think it really matters hugely, they're at the bottom out of the way which is the way it should be really (ie no wall running for top spot) but at least this way there's a log I suppose.

In other news, I don't think chase cam is as responsive as it needs to be - I find myself lapping a lot quicker on bonnet view which makes me sad :(

JohnMac

25-09-2009, 22:14

yeah, im glad that is the case matt, though wouldnt it have been much easier to not log the uncertified time at all?
and any drift score below 10k ;)

sirp

25-09-2009, 22:20

Matt KB

25-09-2009, 22:34

Yeah always use chase cam, it's what the cool kids use.

Or used. :( Can't see where the back of your car is so harder for close racing when using inside view.

Tastydirt

25-09-2009, 22:55

I like bonnet view, allows me to be more accurate.

Does anyone here drive without ABS? It's the only assist I use (apart from braking line) and I can't seem to stop locking the brakes up with it off.

scoobyood

26-09-2009, 01:17

Chase cam is more realistic... unless you have tunnel vision in real life of course.

I've just downloaded the demo for this. I played a few races (on medium) and realised after a while it was just completely braking for me and all I had to do was steer. WTH? Isn't medium what they expect the majority of people would have it set to? Hence "medium". So they made a racing game where they don't want you to brake at all... eh? :suspect: Shouldn't they have that assistance off by default?

Bapapapa

26-09-2009, 06:58

Chase cam is more realistic... unless you have tunnel vision in real life of course.Chase cam more realistic..! :lol:

Yeah in real life most people drive hovering behind their cars.. :nuts:

ShakeyJake

26-09-2009, 07:55

I can't do the drifting without ending up facing the wrong way or on my roof

scoobyood

26-09-2009, 12:18

Chase cam more realistic..! :lol:

Yeah in real life most people drive hovering behind their cars.. :nuts:

No, in real life we have two eyes, so our field of view includes the sides of the car.

In the United Kingdom, the minimum field requirement for driving is 60 degrees either side of the vertical meridian, and 20 degrees above and below horizontal.

An in car computer game view is less than half that. The only way to replicate the field of view is to move the camera back. ;)

Bapapapa

26-09-2009, 13:06

wtf..? you are mental..

sirp

26-09-2009, 13:09

i can't see the sides of my car when im driving it legally, from my drivers seat... just window and bonnet????

scoobyood

26-09-2009, 13:54

wtf..? you are mental..

Wtf? Are YOU mental? :suspect: You have two eyes I take it? Then you can see both sides of the road at once and see movement out your side windows without turning your head... AND you can move your head and your eyes within your head. An in car view is like driving with tunnel vision whilst your head is locked in place, which isn't at all realistic is it. Has the world gone nuts here? Am I on my own with wanting to see properly in a driving game?

i can't see the sides of my car when im driving it legally, from my drivers seat... just window and bonnet????

Then you have tunnel vision. Go see a doctor. Or did you think I meant the "out" sides of the car? Because the "in" sides of the car are also the sides of the car.

Bapapapa

26-09-2009, 14:19

Am I on my own with wanting to see properly in a driving game?So you really think this:

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/6028/gridsfchasecamcopy.jpg

is a more realistic driving view, than this:

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/6874/mcraegetsdirtywithneon2.jpg

Nurse..! :nuts:

btw, cockpit cam in NFS: Shift, ftw..

ShakeyJake

26-09-2009, 14:24

I always use the bonnet cam. The in-car cam takes up too much of the screen, you might as well just play with bonnet cam on a smaller TV and prop up a wii wheel in front, and behind the car just feels odd.

scoobyood

26-09-2009, 15:08

So you really think this:

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/6028/gridsfchasecamcopy.jpg

is a more realistic driving view, than this:

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/6874/mcraegetsdirtywithneon2.jpg

Nurse..! :nuts:

btw, cockpit cam in NFS: Shift, ftw..

Ignore the car model. Look at the field of view (that's what I'm talking about, everything else is irrelevant) of your bottom picture... I've put that as the small box. I've only eye balled it but that looks about right, correct me if I'm wrong. It might even be a bit too wide. Now imagine you are actually sitting in the drivers seat of a real car. The red box...

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/6783/gridsfchasecamcopy23.jpg (http://img85.imageshack.us/i/gridsfchasecamcopy23.jpg/)

In real life you'd see that collision to your left, the edge of your vision would see the movement and your eyes would dart to see it in a fraction of a second. You would NOT see it in the bonnet cam or in car view. The first you'd know about it is the orange car spinning across the road in front of you.

Bapapapa

26-09-2009, 15:32

Look at the field of view (that's what I'm talking about, everything else is irrelevant) of your bottom picture... Everything else isn't irrelevant..

You said chase cam is more realistic, OK in field of view terms you do see a lot more (too much in fact), but as a driving experience it's not realistic at all!

Doesn't a racing helmet reduce a driver's peripheral vision anyway..? :thinking:

Though, until 360 degree racing cockpit simulators are the norm in peoples living rooms it's always going to be a compromise. :D

Vinyl-Pants

26-09-2009, 15:41

allan

26-09-2009, 15:48

Your time is around 1:07, 1:08? Best I've managed is 1:08 so far. I'm sure I could do it quicker with a bit more practise though. It's like the 90 second lap achievement on Grid, I got it eventually.

scoobyood

26-09-2009, 16:26

So, anyway, back to the demo, I can't get anywhere near the top leaderboard time of 1.03, I'm a good 4 seconds off that pace, would love to see their ghost!

Hopefully will pick this up in the sales after Christmas as I've only just bought Dirt 2 and Shift .... 3 racing games in quick succession is overkill.

What car is that? I just did a 1.04 in the porsche. Using traction control and anti-lock brakes.. though. Turned off the driving line... too distracting.

allan

26-09-2009, 16:32

I think he's talking about the R8.

scoobyood

26-09-2009, 16:44

Okay, I just tried that and got a 1.08.989.

tuco

26-09-2009, 18:05

Prefer this demo to GT5-P, there's a real sense of weight to the cars plus the they actually sound similar to the real thing. Is it worth preordering it now or picking it up on release day in a supermarket ?

allan

26-09-2009, 18:12

I think the best pre order prices are probably long now, so barring any stock shortages probably just easier to pick up on release.

JohnMac

26-09-2009, 21:16

Do most people who have the demo know about the Drift leaderboards for each vehicle class? I only ask because nobody seems to be setting any scores.

FWD - 8,084
AWD - 10,835
RWD - 13,212

res

26-09-2009, 21:32

My best so far is a 1:00.335 in the R3 Porsche and 1:06.813 in the Audi R8... :D

Still not tried the other cars yet... :thinking:

JohnMac

26-09-2009, 21:39

Those are good times I think I'm on 1:05 and 1:08 but I've mostly been doing the drifting. For both racing and drifting I use automatic gears and the braking line but with everything else turned off.

res

26-09-2009, 22:00

I use the MS wheel and have never been able to drift, in this or FM2.

JohnMac

27-09-2009, 14:08

Drifting is just a matter of tapping the A button and turning into the corner. Two things to keep in mind: speed and angle. The faster you drift and the greater the angle the more points you'll get. It is a risk/reward thing, you need to be able to push the car and the corner to the limits consistently without losing control. Often it is better to sacrifice a bit of speed to accomplish this. Don't try to drift all the time just identify those corners or parts of the track that are ideal for drifting. Don't spin the car or leave the track or you won't bank the points.

On the other hand in Need For Speed: Shift I can't drift very well at all.

LotusElan

27-09-2009, 22:06

Boo-hoo, just tried to download the demo and it'd appear because I'm a tight-wad, non-Gold user I'm not allowed it... :(

Will it ever be "free"? As I don't tend to buy a game before deciding if I like the demo first this may have to drop off my list for a while (until it's in the bargain bins!).

allan

27-09-2009, 22:09

Yes, should be free a week from when the demo first was made available.

LotusElan

27-09-2009, 22:12

Thanks allan. :)

Just typical timing for me as well - my free 1 month Gold trial, which I had when I registered my box, just ran out a few days ago. Didn't get round to using it for anything and then as per usual once I don't have it any more something appears I'd want to download!

So is this typically how the demos work then, Gold for a bit then free? I guess I've probably downloaded demos during my temporary Gold membership without thinking anything more about it. Most of them were "older" titles, though, which I guess had been there for a while.

pythons

28-09-2009, 19:15

I'm going to download the demo now and give it a go. :thumbs:

Mark

S_K_N

28-09-2009, 19:25

Thanks allan. :)

Just typical timing for me as well - my free 1 month Gold trial, which I had when I registered my box, just ran out a few days ago. Didn't get round to using it for anything and then as per usual once I don't have it any more something appears I'd want to download!

AFAIK you can register upto 4 accounts on your 360 and each account gets their own free month of gold. If your not wanting to wait the extra week that silver members do then you could do that. :thumbs:

fivebyfive

28-09-2009, 19:26

never liked past forza games as I found them boring but quite like the demo of this one

sirp

28-09-2009, 19:33

i must admit, i was a little disappointed by the demo. I think we have been led down the garden path, a la GT5 with visuals. The detail is not as good as i would have liked.

I love forza 2, so will love forza 3, it just isnt the leap i was hoping for, and what they say exists! And lets get things straight, its not just a demo, its a snippet of finished build.

p.s

i hate the porsche and the ferrari

daboy3000

28-09-2009, 19:34

never liked past forza games as I found them boring but quite like the demo of this one

Thats odd because this is just like Forza 2 but with better graphics, maybe your tastes are just changing.

odin

29-09-2009, 10:56

A new car is being revealed everyday until the games release.

Today it's the 2008 Koenigsegg CCGT

http://forzamotorsport.net/en-us/_templates/NewsDetail.aspx?id=2375

JohnMac

29-09-2009, 11:17

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/tgs-09-forza-motorsport/56941

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/tgs-09-forza-motorsport/56933

LotusElan

29-09-2009, 12:45

AFAIK you can register upto 4 accounts on your 360 and each account gets their own free month of gold. If your not wanting to wait the extra week that silver members do then you could do that. :thumbs:

Super, I didn't know that, thanks! :thumbs:

I hadn't thought about doing that as I have fuzzy memories (and it was only a few weeks ago, so that's a measure of how good my brain is!) of entering the serial number at some point during registration or setting up an account so I just naively assumed that once I logged my Xbox with Microsoft that'd be it. Shall try this later then! :)

Anyway, a bit more on topic I'm looking forward to having a go on this and compare-n-contrasting it with GT5 : Prologue.

mclh

01-10-2009, 16:52

Had a mess with the demo today but thought the cars didn't feel very lifelike - maybe the handling was off and I'll give it some more time, but wasn't as impressed as I should and wanted to be :(

msm13579

01-10-2009, 23:25

i wasn't too impressed when first trying the demo, but doing some timetrials got me into it, probably played the demo for about 5 hours now! it's great :)

Matt KB

02-10-2009, 20:53

Anyone seen anything about them fixing the Toast pop up frame rate spaz out?

sirp

02-10-2009, 22:16

Anyone seen anything about them fixing the Toast pop up frame rate spaz out?

and again in English please sir? :)

Matt KB

02-10-2009, 22:19

When you get a notification pop up the frame rate goes to pot big time.

sirp

02-10-2009, 22:24

oh i see...toast? or am i being thick :)

Matt KB

02-10-2009, 22:27

It's called toast because it pops up. Like toast ;)

sirp

02-10-2009, 22:43

It's called toast because it pops up. Like toast ;)

cock

also pops up :D

punisher46

03-10-2009, 04:53

pld this last night and got a few notifitcations of friends coming on line and didnt notice any slow down....

msm13579

03-10-2009, 07:39

pld this last night and got a few notifitcations of friends coming on line and didnt notice any slow down....

game nearly stops for me when a notification comes up, i disabled them.

odin

03-10-2009, 10:34

Forza 3: Exploring Disc 2 (http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/103/1031109p1.html)

US, October 2, 2009 - Forza Motorsport 3 has too much love to give. That's not a joke. Not all of the cars and tracks could fit on one DVD, so developer Turn 10 had to split them onto two discs. The first disc is your game disc. Insert it and you have access to most of the environments and about 300 cars. To get the rest (104 cars, 29 tracks), you'll need to install disc 2 on a hard drive.

When you first insert disc 1, it will ask if you want to install the second disc. The install eats up 1.9 GB of space. Yowa! But you can instead choose pieces of disc 2 to install if you have limited space or a memory card.

Disc 2 is broken up into four packs that act like downloadable content. If it's installed on your hard drive, then the game reads it and adds in the content seamlessly. If not, then you won't see these cars or tracks in your game and can't use them in online multiplayer.
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Matt KB

03-10-2009, 10:58

game nearly stops for me when a notification comes up, i disabled them.

There's a few threads on the official forums about it but I haven't seen any dev response yet. Seems it happens to some and not others, maybe a VGA issue.

sirp

03-10-2009, 18:56

expect a day one patch no doubt, and a response once they have fixed something they didnt spot :)

punisher46

03-10-2009, 19:16

that would explain why no slow down here on hdmi

Spooksta

04-10-2009, 12:44

that would explain why no slow down here on hdmi

I run HDMI and get the slow down.

S_K_N

04-10-2009, 13:15

Got my 360 back from repair on Friday and had a play on the demo of this last night, its more of the same I guess but im loving it - this will more than tide me over until GT5.

Love the presentation as well, its just so clean.:thumbs:

mclh

04-10-2009, 17:13

Had a bit more of a play of the demo and half tempted now to pick up a copy when my local Tesco re-stocks. For racing/car games Burnout always appealed to me more though - the rewind function in Forza 3 appeals though.

S_K_N

04-10-2009, 18:03

I wasn't convinced by the rewind function in this, used it once when I started a race as the car caught the edge of the grass at full speed and fishtailed all over the place before crashing but other than that I thought that they had stuck it into a racing game of this type simply because this rewind stuff seems to be the fad at the moment.

I take it you guys liked it for setting hot laps. :?:

msm13579

04-10-2009, 18:58

i think the rewind feature is great, the career mode is probably going to be long and boring, at the end of a race if you mess up the last corner, being able to rewind takes a lot of the frustration out of the career mode for me.

I take it you guys liked it for setting hot laps. :?:

i'd never want to use it for setting fast lap times and the game agrees as all laps where rewind is used (or if you go off track) will be behind clean laps on the leaderboards :)

allan

04-10-2009, 19:21

Anyone else think that it's still a bit easy even once you turn all the driving aids off? I remember having to be very careful on the throttle and braking on F2 or you would spin/lock the wheels etc. but on this it seems like I can just floor it out of the bends with no negative effects.

MR.COATES

04-10-2009, 21:00

I must admit it did seem to be very easy to get to grips with for a 'new' version of a game.

Forza 2 was a beast at times, I wonder if it was too much for some. I do like to turn the assists off to spice things up a bit but I can imagine it's a right handful for some.

res

07-10-2009, 10:28

Forza Motorsport 3 Car Giveaway!

To celebrate the launch of Forza Motorsport 3, our friends over at Zune have hooked us up with some awesome prizes, and we’re giving them away right here on Forzamotorsport.net! Here’s the deal. Zune and Turn 10 are looking to put together a list of the all-time best driving songs, and we need your help.

We want to know your top 10 favorite driving songs of all time. Post your picks and you’ll be automatically entered into a drawing for a mysterious grand prize. Plus, your participation with your (Xbox LIVE gold) Gamertag here in the comments section is all you need to receive a free Zune-liveried Audi A4 Touring Car for Forza Motorsport 3!

http://forums.forzamotorsport.net/blogs/turn_10s_forza_motorsport_blog/archive/2009/10/06/zune-marketplace-looking-for-the-ultimate-driving-playlist.aspx

daboy3000

07-10-2009, 13:12

I seem to be having a problem with the forza website and the microsoft login, anyone else having issues?

res

07-10-2009, 13:13

I seem to be having a problem with the forza website and the microsoft login, anyone else having issues?

I'm always having the same problem, don;t know why though.

What I do to get around it is go to their forums first (http://forums.forzamotorsport.net/forums/), login using my gamercard and then click on the link to their homepage.

Seems to work...

GordonJ

07-10-2009, 13:30

Cool, didn't realise you could do it that way. I always went to xbox.com and signed out then went to the forza website.

daboy3000

07-10-2009, 14:43

Glad its not my laptop!

odin

07-10-2009, 14:46

Free "Legends" DLC at Forza 3 launch (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/free-legends-dlc-at-forza-3-launch)

Microsoft will give all buyers of Forza Motorsport 3 a coupon to download a batch of free DLC from 27th October.

That will be the Motorsports Legends Car Pack, which includes 10 classic cars and two new maps.

Those sporty stallions are the '65 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GTA, '64 Aston Martin DB5 Vantage, '81 BMW M1, '60 Chevrolet Corvette, '69 Dodge Charger, '57 Ferrari 250 Testa Rossa, '80 Fiat 131 Abarth, '67 Lamborghini Miura P400, '71 Nissan Skyline 2000 GT-R and '65 Shelby Cobra Daytona Coupe.

The duo of maps accompanying them are the Benchmark High Speed Ring - a converted airfield and hangar (an "automotive playground") - and the Sidewinder Proving Grounds.

odin

07-10-2009, 18:49

Complete car list revealed inside (http://forzamotorsport.net/en-us/ForzaMotorsport3/Carlist.aspx)

Featuring the latest and greatest production offerings as well as the world's fastest and most exotic street cars, "Forza Motorsport 3" offers more than 400 fully customizable and tunable cars from over 50 of the world's leading manufacturers. Whether your passion is classic American muscle cars, European roadsters, purpose-built race cars or high-tech Asian imports, "Forza Motorsport 3" puts you in the cockpit of the cars you love. Now, at long last, we can finally reveal the entire car list for Forza Motorsport 3.

Forza Motorsport 3 Launch trailer

http://www.msxbox-world.com/xbox360/videos/stream/3543/Forza-Motorsport-3.html

ShakeyJake

07-10-2009, 19:18

Who's going to want to race in a diesel Audi Q7? :suspect:

Tastydirt

07-10-2009, 19:30

No new RS6??

sirp

07-10-2009, 19:31

since when is a track a 'map' :D

Matt KB

07-10-2009, 19:46

Lots of alternate versions in that track list making up their 100+ tracks...

S_K_N

07-10-2009, 20:41

Yeah I saw that one coming, still seems like the games going to be heavy on content so overall im pleased.

I was looking at the list and noticed cars like Acura "Andretti-Green Racing ARX-01b 2008" and "Lowe's Fernandez ARX-01b 2008"....anyone know how that works? are the cars just identical vehicles with different liveries or are they differently tuned or what. Im not hugely bothered or anything because I know GT5 will do similiar things with their 1000 cars list just wondered how there making up their list of 400 cars.:?:

Cheers for the free Zune car btw res, would have missed that otherwise. :thumbs:

JohnMac

07-10-2009, 20:56

Where is the full track list?

sirp

07-10-2009, 21:46

the tracklist is poor. How can this be a new game years later with hardly any new tracks. I smell DLC.

I am not so excited anymore at all. Setting the same time trials on the same old tracks. Why spend all the time getting 400 cars designed, id rather have 30 cars and 30 new tracks!

JohnMac

07-10-2009, 21:59

One thing I can tell you I will definitely be cancelling my online pre-orders. Not taking the chance of this or Uncharted 2 turning up late.

res

07-10-2009, 22:06

Lots of alternate versions in that track list making up their 100+ tracks...

134 tracks confirmed, in 24 different environments

- Costa Di Amalfi (2 tracks): Full and reverse
- Camino Viejo (8 tracks): Full, Short, Mini, Extreme and their reverse
- Iberian International (6 tracks): Full, Short, Mini and reverse
- Ladera test track (6 tracks): Full, Short, Mini and reverse
- Circuit de Catalunya (3 tracks): GP, National, School
- Le Mans (3 tracks): with and without chicanes on mulsanne straight and Bugatti
- Maple Valley (4 tracks): Full, Short and reverse
- Laguna Seca (1 track)
- Mugello (2 tracks): Full and Short
- New York (4 tracks): FM2 version, version with chicanes on the straight and reverse
- Nurb (5 tracks): Full and 4 point to point
- Rally di Positor (10 tracks): Full, reverse and 8 point to point
- Road America (1 track)
- Road Atlanta (2 tracks): Full and Short
- Sebring (3 tracks): same as FM2
- Sedona (10 tracks): Full, shorts and their reverse, oval (+ reverse) and the Drag strips
- Silverstone (3 tracks): same as FM2
- Sunset Peninsula (6 tracks): Full, Short, Oval and reverse
- Suzuka (3 tracks): same as FM2
- Tsukuba (2 tracks): Full and Short
- Motegi (4 tracks): same as FM2
- Fujimi Kaido (14 tracks): full circuit, FM1 layout, 4 P2P's of kaido circuit, hillclimb, and all their reverses.

- Benchmark high speed ring (14 tracks)
- Sidewinder proving grounds (18 tracks)

From the Forza forums.

sirp

07-10-2009, 22:10

who gave us the 'reverse' track, ******* pointless

tell me it was sony, please

odin

07-10-2009, 22:33

134 tracks confirmed, in 24 different environments

Found this aswell :)

http://www.forzacentral.com/forum/showpost.php?p=519836&postcount=3

Amalfi Coast (Italy)

Track Layouts:
* Amalfi Coast Full Circuit
* Amalfi Coast Full Circuit Reverse
* Rally di Positano
* Rally di Positano Reverse
* Rally di Positano Stage A
* Rally di Positano Stage A Reverse
* Rally di Positano Stage B
* Rally di Positano Stage B Reverse
* Rally di Positano Stage C
* Rally di Positano Stage C Reverse
* Rally di Positano Stage D
* Rally di Positano Stage D Reverse

Autodromo Internazionale del Mugello (Italy)

Track Layouts:
* Mugello Grand Prix Circuit
* Mugello Short Circuit

Benchmark High Speed Ring (Italy) [Pack/FM3 Launch Track Pack/FREE/October 23/27 '09]

Track Layouts:
* Benchmark High Speed Oval
* Benchmark High Speed Oval Reverse
* Benchmark Drag Strip (1mile/½mile/¼mile/⅛mile)
* Benchmark 1
* Benchmark 2
* Benchmark 3
* Benchmark 4
* Benchmark 5
* Benchmark 6
* Benchmark 7
* Benchmark 8

Circuit de Catalunya (Spain)

Track Layouts:
* Circuit de Catalunya Grand Prix Circuit
* Circuit de Catalunya National Circuit
* Circuit de Catalunya School Circuit

Fujimi Kaido (Japan)

Track Layouts:
* Fujimi Kaido Full Circuit
* Fujimi Kaido Full Circuit Reverse
* Fujimi Kaido Old Down Hill
* Fujimi Kaido Old Hill Climb
* Fujimi Kaido New Down Hill
* Fujimi Kaido New Hill Climb
* Fujimi Kaido Stage A
* Fujimi Kaido Stage A Reverse
* Fujimi Kaido Stage B
* Fujimi Kaido Stage B Reverse
* Fujimi Kaido Stage C
* Fujimi Kaido Stage C Reverse
* Fujimi Kaido Stage D
* Fujimi Kaido Stage D Reverse

Le Mans - Circuit de 24 Heures (France)

Track Layouts:
* Circuit de La Sarthe Full Circuit
* Circuit de La Sarthe Short Circuit
* Circuit Bugatti

Maple Valley Raceway (USA)

Track Layouts:
* Maple Valley Raceway
* Maple Valley Raceway Reverse
* Maple Valley Short
* Maple Valley Short Reverse

Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca (USA)

Track Layouts:
* Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca

Montserrat (Spain)

Track Layouts:
* Camino Viejo de Montserrat Full Circuit
* Camino Viejo de Montserrat Full Circuit Reverse
* Camino Viejo de Montserrat Short Circuit
* Camino Viejo de Montserrat Short Circuit Reverse
* Camino Viejo de Montserrat Mini Circuit
* Camino Viejo de Montserrat Mini Circuit Reverse
* Camino Viejo de Montserrat Extreme Circuit
* Camino Viejo de Montserrat Extreme Circuit Reverse
* Iberian International Circuit Full Circuit
* Iberian International Circuit Full Circuit Reverse
* Iberian International Circuit Short Circuit
* Iberian International Circuit Short Circuit Reverse
* Iberian International Circuit Mini Circuit
* Iberian International Circuit Mini Circuit Reverse
* Ladera Test Track Full Circuit
* Ladera Test Track Full Circuit Reverse
* Ladera Test Track Short Circuit
* Ladera Test Track Short Circuit Reverse
* Ladera Test Track Mini Circuit
* Ladera Test Track Mini Circuit Reverse

New York Circuit (USA)

Track Layouts:
* New York Full Circuit
* New York Full Circuit Reverse
* New York Short Circuit
* New York Short Circuit Reverse

Nürburgring (Germany)

Track Layouts:
* Nordschleife Full Circuit
* Nordschleife Stage A
* Nordschleife Stage B
* Nordschleife Stage C
* Nordschleife Stage D

Road America (USA)

Track Layouts:
* Road America

Road Atlanta (USA)

Track Layouts:
* Road Atlanta Grand Prix Circuit
* Road Atlanta Short Circuit

Sebring International Raceway (USA)

Track Layouts:
* Sebring Full Circuit
* Sebring Short Circuit
* Sebring Club Circuit

Sedona Raceway Park (USA)

Track Layouts:
* Sedona Full Circuit
* Sedona Full Circuit Reverse
* Sedona Club Circuit
* Sedona Club Circuit Reverse
* Sedona Oval
* Sedona Oval Reverse
* Sedona Drag Strip (1mile/½mile/¼mile/⅛mile)

Sidewinder Proving Grounds (Italy) [Pack/FM3 Launch Track Pack/FREE/October 23/27 '09]

Track Layouts:
* Sidewinder Full Circuit
* Sidewinder Full Circuit Reverse
* Sidewinder Circuit 1
* Sidewinder Circuit 1 Reverse
* Sidewinder Circuit 2
* Sidewinder Circuit 2 Reverse
* Sidewinder Circuit 3
* Sidewinder Circuit 3 Reverse
* Sidewinder Circuit 4
* Sidewinder Circuit 4 Reverse
* Sidewinder Circuit 5
* Sidewinder Circuit 5 Revers
* Sidewinder Circuit 6
* Sidewinder Circuit 6 Reverse
* Sidewinder Circuit 7
* Sidewinder Circuit 7 Reverse
* Sidewinder Circuit 8
* Sidewinder Circuit 8 Reverse

Silverstone (Great Britain)

Track Layouts:
* Silverstone Grand Prix Circuit
* Silverstone International Circuit
* Silverstone National Circuit

Sunset Peninsula (USA)

Track Layouts:
* Sunset Peninsula Infield
* Sunset Peninsula Infield Reverse
* Sunset Peninsula Infield Short
* Sunset Peninsula Infield Short Reverse
* Sunset Peninsula Speedway
* Sunset Peninsula Speedway Reverse

Suzuka Circuit (Japan)

Track Layouts:
* Suzuka Grand Prix Circuit
* Suzuka East Circuit
* Suzuka West Circuit

Tsukuba Circuit (Japan)

Track Layouts:
* Tsukuba Circuit
* Tsukuba Short

Twin Ring Motegi (Japan)

Track Layouts:
* Twin Ring Motegi Road Course
* Twin Ring Motegi East Course
* Twin Ring Motegi West Course
* Twin Ring Motegi Super Speedway

TonyG

07-10-2009, 23:19

Have to say the full car & track lists are disappointing. Remove everything we've played before & there's very little new choices to get excited about.

Still looking forward to it, but expectations have been lowered drastically. Suddenly Borderlands (out the same day) is looking the more fresh & exciting of that week's new releases.

daboy3000

08-10-2009, 08:20

From the Official Forza site

http://forzamotorsport.net/en-us/ForzaMotorsport3/Carlist.aspx

2008 Acura #15 Lowe's Fernandez ARX-01b
2008 Acura #26 Andretti-Green Racing ARX-01b
2002 Acura #42 Realtime Racing NSX
2008 Acura #66 de Ferran Mortorsports ARX-01b
2009 Acura #66 de Ferran Mortorsports ARX-02a
2005 Acura NSX
2002 Acura RSX Type-S
2007 Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione
2009 Alfa Romeo Brera Italia Independent
2008 Alfa Romeo Mito
2006 Aston Martin #007 Aston Martin Racing DBR9
2008 Aston Martin #008 Bell Motorsports DBR9
2008 Aston Martin #009 Aston Martin Racing DBR9
2005 Aston Martin DB9 Coupe
2003 Audi #1 Champion RS 6
2008 Audi #2 Audi Sport North America R10 TDI
2006 Audi #2 FSI Champion Racing R8
2006 Audi #8 Audi Sport Team Joest Audi R10 TDI
2008 Audi A4 Touring Car
2009 Audi Q7 V12 TDI
2010 Audi R8 5.2 FSI quattro
2006 Audi RS 4
2003 Audi RS 6
2000 Audi S4
2004 Audi S4
2007 Audi S5
1983 Audi Sport Quattro
2004 Audi TT Coupe 3.2 quattro
2007 Audi TT Coupe S-Line
2004 Bentley Continental GT
2009 BMW Motorsport 135i Coupe
1971 BMW Motorsport 3.0 CSL
2001 BMW Motorsport #6 Prototype Technology Group M3-GTR
2009 BMW Motorsport #92 Rahal Letterman Racing M3 GT2
1997 BMW Motorsport M3 E36
2005 BMW Motorsport M3 E46 Coupe
1991 BMW Motorsport M3 E30
2008 BMW Motorsport M3 E92
2002 BMW Motorsport M3-GTR
2009 BMW Motorsport M5 E60
2009 BMW Motorsport X5 xDrive48i
2008 BMW Motorsport Z4 M Coupe
2009 Bugatti Veyron 16.4
2008 Cadillac #8 Remington Shaving CTS-V
2009 Cadillac CTS-V
2004 Chevrolet #3 Corvette Racing C5.R
2005 Chevrolet #31 Whelen Engineering Corvette Z06
2006 Chevrolet #4 Corvette Racing C6.R
2007 Chevrolet #4 Corvette Racing C6.R
2003 Chevrolet #50 Corvette Racing C5.R
2003 Chevrolet #73 3R-Racing Corvette Z06
2005 Chevrolet #99 Tiger Racing Corvette Z06
2009 Chevrolet Aveo5 LT
2002 Chevrolet Camaro 35th Anniversary SS
1990 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z
2010 Chevrolet Camaro SS
1969 Chevrolet Camaro SS Coupe
1969 Chevrolet Camaro Z28
1979 Chevrolet Camaro Z28
1970 Chevrolet Chevelle SS-454
2005 Chevrolet Cobalt SS Coupe
2002 Chevrolet Corvette Z06
2006 Chevrolet Corvette Z06
2008 Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS Stock Car
2008 Chrysler 300C SRT-8
2006 Chrysler Crossfire SRT6
2009 Citroen C4 VTS
2002 Dodge #1 Team Zakspeed Viper GTS-R
2008 Dodge #11 Primetime Racing Group Viper Competition Coupe
2008 Dodge #2 Mopar Viper Competition Coupe
2004 Dodge #22 3R-Racing Viper Competition Coupe
2003 Dodge #23 Magellan Financial Viper Competition Coupe
1970 Dodge Challenger R/T Hemi
2009 Dodge Challenger SRT-8
1969 Dodge Charger R/T
2006 Dodge Charger SRT8
2008 Dodge Charger Stock Car
2006 Dodge Ram SRT-10
2003 Dodge Viper Competition Coupe
2003 Dodge Viper SRT10
2008 Dodge Viper SRT10 ACR
2005 Ferrari #11 Larbre Competition 550 Maranello GTS
1964 Ferrari 250 GTO
1998 Ferrari #30 MOMO Doran Racing F333 SP
1967 Ferrari 330 P4
1994 Ferrari F355 Berlinetta
1995 Ferrari F355 Challenge
1999 Ferrari 360 Modena
2003 Ferrari Challenge Stradale
1991 Ferrari 512 TR
2002 Ferrari 575M Maranello
2006 Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano
2004 Ferrari 612 Scaglietti
2006 Ferrari #62 Risi Competizione F430GT
2008 Ferrari #71 Tafel Racing F430GT
2003 Ferrari #88 Veloqx / Prodrive Racing 550 Maranello
2008 Ferrari #90 Farnbacher Racing F430GT
2009 Ferrari California
1969 Ferrari Dino 246 GT
2002 Ferrari Enzo Ferrari
1987 Ferrari F40
1989 Ferrari F40 Competizione
2004 Ferrari F430
1995 Ferrari F50
1996 Ferrari F50 GT
2005 Ferrari FXX
1984 Ferrari GTO
2010 Fiat 500 Abarth SS
2009 Ford #1 TeamVodafone FG Falcon
2004 Ford #10 Tiger Racing Mustang
2009 Ford #25 Britek Motorsport FG Falcon
2009 Ford #5 Ford Performance Racing FG Falcon
2009 Ford #9 Stone Brothers Racing FG Falcon
2009 Ford Fiesta Zetec S
2009 Ford Focus RS
2006 Ford Focus ST
2003 Ford Focus SVT
2008 Ford Fusion Stock Car
2005 Ford Ford GT
1970 Ford Mustang Boss 429
2000 Ford Mustang Cobra R
1993 Ford Mustang SVT Cobra R
1985 Ford RS200 Evolution
2009 Holden #2 Toll Holden Racing Team Commodore VE
2009 Holden #33 Garry Rogers Team Commodore VE
2009 Holden #39 Supercheap Auto Racing Commodore VE
2009 Holden #51 Sprint Gas Racing Commodore VE
2005 Honda #18 TAKATA DOME NSX
2005 Honda #8 ARTA NSX
2004 Honda Mugen Civic Type-R
2006 Honda Civic Si Coupe
2007 Honda Civic Type-R
1991 Honda CR-X SiR
2009 Honda Fit Sport
2002 Honda Mugen Integra Type-R
2000 Honda Integra Type-R
2002 Honda Integra Type-R
1992 Honda NSX-R
2005 Honda NSX-R GT
2003 Honda S2000
2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe
2003 Hyundai Tuscani Elisa
2008 Infiniti G37 Coupe Sport
2009 Jaguar XKR-S
2008 Koenigsegg CCGT
1988 Lamborghini Countach LP5000 QV
1999 Lamborghini Diablo GTR
1997 Lamborghini Diablo SV
2005 Lamborghini Gallardo
2006 Lamborghini Miura Concept
2005 Lamborghini Murcielago
2007 Lamborghini Murcielago LP640
2008 Lamborghini Reventon
2003 Lexus IS300
2006 Lexus IS350
2009 Lexus IS F
2002 Lexus SC430
2005 Lotus Elise 111S
2009 Lotus Evora
2006 Lotus Exige Cup 240
2008 Land Rover Range Rover Supercharged
2005 Maserati #15 JMB Racing MC12
2008 Maserati GranTurismo
2004 Maserati MC12
2009 Mazda #16 Dyson Racing B09/86
2009 Mazda Mazdaspeed 3
1994 Mazda Miata
2007 Mazda MX-5 Roadster Coupe
2001 Mazda Mazdaspeed Roadster
1997 Mazda RX-7
2002 Mazda RX-7 Spirit R Type-A
2004 Mazda RX-8 Mazdaspeed
1997 McLaren #43 Team BMW Motorsport McLaren F1 GTR
1997 McLaren F1 GT
2009 Mercedes A200 Turbo Coupe
2004 Mercedes C32 AMG
2009 Mercedes C-Class Touring Car
2009 Mercedes ML 63 AMG
2009 Mercedes SL 65 AMG Black Series
2005 Mercedes SLR
2003 MINI Cooper S
2009 MINI John Cooper Works
2006 Mitsubishi Eclipse GT
2006 Mitsubishi HKS Time Attack Evolution
2006 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX MR
1999 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI GSR
2004 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII MR
2008 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X GSR
2008 Nissan #12 CALSONIC IMPUL GT-R
2003 Nissan #12 CALSONIC SKYLINE
2008 Nissan #23 XANAVI NISMO GT-R
2008 Nissan #24 WOODONE ADVAN Clarion GT-R
2008 Nissan #3 YellowHat YMS TOMICA GT-R
2010 Nissan 370Z
1970 Nissan Datsun 510
2003 Nissan Fairlady Z
1994 Nissan Fairlady Z Version S Twin Turbo
2007 Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec V
1992 Nissan Silvia CLUB K's
1994 Nissan Silvia K's
2000 Nissan Silvia Spec-R
1993 Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec
1997 Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec
2002 Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec II
2002 Nissan MINE'S R34 Skyline GT-R
2000 Nissan Top Secret D1-Spec S15
2009 Nissan Versa SL
2004 Opel Speedster Turbo
2003 Pagani #17 Carsport America Zonda GR
1999 Pagani Zonda C12
2002 Panoz #50 Panoz Motor Sports LMP-01
2005 Panoz #51 Panoz Esperante GTLM
2005 Panoz Esperante GTLM
2004 Peugeot 206 RC
2007 Peugeot 207 RC
2007 Peugeot 207 Super 2000
2007 Peugeot #8 Peugeot Sport 908
2009 Peugeot #9 Peugeot Sport Total 908
1968 Chrysler Plymouth Barracuda Formula-S
2009 Pontiac G8 GXP
2006 Pontiac Solstice
2002 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am Ram Air
1973 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am SD-455
1987 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am GTA
2008 Porsche #16 Dyson Racing RS Spyder Evo
1987 Porsche #17 Racing Porsche AG 962c
2008 Porsche #2 Gruppe Orange Racing 911 GT3 Cup
1998 Porsche #26 Porsche AG 911 GT1-98
2005 Porsche #31 Peterson-White Lightning 911 GT3-RSR
2008 Porsche #45 Flying Lizard 911 GT3-RSR
2005 Porsche #5 XBOX 360 911 GT3-RSR
2005 Porsche #55 Applied Materials 911 GT3 Cup
2005 Porsche #66 AXA Racing 911 GT3 Cup
2008 Porsche #7 Penske Racing RS Spyder Evo
2007 Porsche #80 Flying Lizard 911 GT3-RSR
2006 Porsche #82 Red Bull 911 GT3 Cup
1995 Porsche 911 GT2
1982 Porsche 911 Turbo 3.3
1970 Porsche 914/6
1989 Porsche 944 Turbo
1987 Porsche 959
1998 Porsche 911 GT1
2004 Porsche 911 GT3 (996)
2008 Porsche 911 GT2 (997)
2007 Porsche 911 GT3 (997)
2007 Porsche 911 Turbo (997)
2003 Porsche Boxster S
2003 Porsche Carrera GT
1973 Porsche 911 Carrera RS
2009 Porsche Cayenne Turbo S
2006 Porsche Cayman S
1980 Renault 5 Turbo
2003 Renault Sport Clio V6 RS
2007 Renault Clio Renaultsport 197
2009 Renault Twingo Renault Sport Cup
2008 Saab 9-3 Turbo X
2002 Saleen #11 Graham Nash Motorsport S7R
2003 Saleen #2 Konrad Motorsports S7R
2006 Saleen S281 E
2008 Saleen S331 Supercab
2004 Saleen S7
2006 Saturn ION Red Line
2007 Saturn Sky Red Line
2005 Scion tC
2009 Scion xD
2009 SEAT Ibiza Cupra
2007 SEAT Leon Cupra
2007 SEAT Leon Supercup
2007 Ford Shelby GT500
1968 Shelby Mustang GT-500KR
2003 Subaru #77 CUSCO SUBARU ADVAN IMPREZA
2006 Subaru Impreza S204
2004 Subaru Impreza WRX STi
2005 Subaru Impreza WRX STI
2008 Subaru Impreza WRX STi
2008 Lexus #25 ECLIPSE ADVAN SC430
2008 Lexus #36 PETRONAS TOM'S SC430
2008 Lexus #6 ENEOS SC430
2004 Toyota Altezza RS200
2003 Toyota Celica SS-I
1994 Toyota Celica GT-Four ST205
1984 Toyota Celica Supra
2002 Toyota MR-S
1985 Toyota Sprinter Trueno GT Apex
1998 Toyota Supra RZ
2008 Toyota Yaris S
2005 TVR Sagaris
2006 Vauxhall Astra VXR
2009 Vauxhall Corsa VXR
2004 Vauxhall VX220 Turbo
2009 Volvo C30 R-Design
2004 Volvo S60 R
2003 Volkswagen Bora VR6
1995 Volkswagen Corrado VR6
2006 Volkswagen Golf GTi
2010 Volkswagen Golf GTI Mk6
1992 Volkswagen Golf Gti 16v Mk2
2003 Volkswagen Golf R32
1984 Volkswagen Rabbit GTI
2008 Volkswagen Scirocco GT
2008 Volkswagen Touareg R50
The Cars of Disc 2:
2003 Honda #16 G'ZOX NSX
2004 Honda Civic Type-R
1999 Honda Civic Si Coupe
1994 Honda Civic 1.5 VTi
1995 Honda CR-X Del Sol SiR
2005 Honda NSX-R
2000 Honda Prelude SiR
2005 Mazda Axela Sport 23S
2001 Mazda Mazdaspeed Familia
1990 Mazda Savanna RX-7
1995 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX
2003 Mitsubishi Eclipse GTS
1998 Mitsubishi FTO GP Version R
1997 Mitsubishi GTO
2003 Nissan #23 XANAVI NISMO GT-R
1997 Nissan #23 Nissan Motorsports R390
2003 Nissan #3 HASEMISPORT ENDLESS Z
1998 Nissan #32 NISSAN R390 GT1
2005 Nissan #46 Dream Cube's ADVAN Z
1969 Nissan Fairlady Z 432
1998 Nissan R390
2003 Nissan Skyline Coupe 350GT
1993 Nissan MINE'S R32 Skyline GT-R
1998 Subaru Impreza 22B STi
2005 Subaru Legacy B4 2.0 GT
1969 Toyota 2000GT
2006 Toyota #25 ECLIPSE ADVAN SUPRA
1999 Toyota #3 Toyota Motorsports GT-ONE TS020
2004 Toyota #35 Yellow Hat YMS Supra
2005 Toyota #36 OPEN INTERFACE TOM'S SUPRA
2005 Toyota #6 EXXON Superflo Supra
1995 Toyota MR2 GT
1995 Toyota Tom's T020 MR2
2002 Toyota Tom's W123 MR-S
2002 Toyota Soarer 430SCV
1992 Toyota Supra 2.0 GT Twin Turbo
1998 Toyota Top Secret 0-300 Supra
2001 Aston Martin V12 Vanquish
2002 Audi #1 Champion S4 Competition
2001 Audi #4 Johansson Motorsport R8
2004 Audi #5 Audi Sport Japan Team Goh R8
2004 Audi #8 Audi ABT TT-R
2008 Audi R8
2003 Bentley #7 Team Bentley Speed 8
1999 BMW Motorsport #15 BMW Motorsport V12 LMR
2005 BMW Motorsport #2 BMW Motorsport M3-GTR
1998 Ferrari #12 Risi Competizione F333 SP
2003 Ferrari #72 Team Alphand Aventures 550 Maranello GTS
1961 Jaguar E-type S1
1993 Jaguar XJ220
2002 Koenigsegg CC8S
1992 Lancia Delta Integrale EVO
1974 Lancia Stratos HF Stradale
1989 Lotus Carlton
1972 Lotus Elan Sprint
2002 Lotus Esprit V8
2005 Maserati #35 Risi Competizione MC12
2005 Maserati #9 Vitaphone Racing Team MC12
2006 Maserati GranSport
1997 McLaren #41 Team McLaren F1 GTR
1998 McLaren #41 Gulf Team Davidoff McLaren F1 GTR
1954 Mercedes 300SL Gullwing Coupe
2003 Mercedes CLK55 AMG Coupe
1998 Mercedes AMG Mercedes CLK GTR
2003 Opel #5 OPC Team Phoenix Astra V8
2007 Peugeot #1 Peugeot 207 Super 2000
1993 Peugeot #3 Peugeot Talbot Sport 905 EVO 1C
2005 Porsche #3 Lechner Racing School Team 1 911 GT3 Cup
1998 Porsche #5 Zakspeed Racing 911 GT1-98
2002 Saab 9-3 Aero
2003 SEAT Leon Cupra R
1998 TVR Cerbera Speed 12
2001 TVR Tuscan S
2005 Vauxhall Monaro VXR
2004 Volvo #24 At-Speed S60 R
2004 Volkswagen Beetle
2001 Acura Integra Type-R
1997 Acura NSX
1987 Buick Regal GNX
2004 Cadillac #16 Team Cadillac CTS-V
2002 Cadillac #6 Team Cadillac Northstar LMP-02
2004 Cadillac CTS-V
1996 Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport
1967 Chevrolet Corvette Stingray 427
1970 Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1
2004 Chrysler PT Cruiser GT
2003 Dodge #126 Team Zakspeed Viper GTS-R
2000 Dodge #57 Carsport Holland Viper GTS-R
2000 Dodge #91 Viper Team Oreca GTS-R
2003 Dodge SRT4
1996 Dodge Stealth R/T Turbo
1999 Dodge Viper GTS ACR
1998 Chrysler Eagle Talon TSi Turbo
1966 Ford GT40 MkII
2005 Ford Mustang GT
2003 Infiniti G35 Coupe
2003 Panoz #11 JML Team Panoz LMP-01
2006 Panoz #81 Team LNT Panoz Esperante GTLM
2004 Pontiac GTO
1968 Pontiac GTO Hardtop
2001 Saleen #26 Konrad Motorsports S7R
2000 Saleen S281
1965 Shelby Cobra 427 S/C
1999 Shelby Series 1
Exclusive Cars Limited Collector’s Edition Cars:
2005 Acura Forza Motorsport NSX
2005 Aston Martin Forza Motorsport DB9 Coupe
2010 Audi Forza Motorsport R8 5.2 FSI quattro
2008 Dodge Xbox 360 Charger Stock Car
2003 Nissan Forza Motorsport Fairlady Z
Forza Motorsport VIP Membership Car pack:
2008 Aston Martin DBS
2009 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1
2007 Ferrari 430 Scuderia
2007 Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera
2007 Porsche 911 GT3 RS (997)
Exclusive Preorder Cars:
2009 BMW Motorsport Walmart M5 E60
2009 BMW Motorsport GameStop M5 E60
2009 BMW Motorsport GAME M3 E92
2009 BMW Motorsport MicroMania M5 E60
2008 Mitsubishi GameStation Lancer Evolution X GSR
2010 Audi R8 5.2 Community Edition

Drysolder

08-10-2009, 08:36

Review:

http://www.msxbox-world.com/xbox360/reviews/review/416/Forza-Motorsport-3.html

odin

08-10-2009, 08:51

Yep reviews are rolling in now :

IGN (UK) (http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/103/1032675p1.html)

TeamXbox (http://reviews.teamxbox.com/xbox-360/1778/Forza-Motorsport-3/p1/)

VideoGamer (http://www.videogamer.com/xbox360/forza_motorsport_3/review.html)

GameDaily (http://www.gamedaily.com/games/forza-motorsport-3/xbox-360/game-reviews/review/8804/2351/)

G4TV (http://g4tv.com/games/xbox-360/61955/forza-motorsport-3/review)

nutter45

08-10-2009, 10:20

Range Rover :nuts:

GordonJ

08-10-2009, 18:25

Final list (http://forzamotorsport.net/en-us/ForzaMotorsport3/Carlist.aspx) is up.

S_K_N

08-10-2009, 19:24

Cracking reviews so far, didn't expect to see it getting full marks on so many sites. :thumbs:

nutter45

08-10-2009, 20:12

It shouldn't matter, but that teamxbox review is so badly written it's untrue :brickwall