Robocop Disc 1 MGM - SHould It Be Repressed

[Matrix_1888]

heard lots of problems about it with various people having problems with certain parts of the disc. The deleted scenes, making of directors cut footage, still gallery etc refuse to play on my Toshiba SD2109, I tried it on my PC DVD Rom drive and its fine, so there must be some sort of problems with certain types of players as I read other Toshiba owners are having problems along with people who own Pioneer, Samsung players etc.

So much for the Directors cut being seamless, my ar*e as there is at least 5 noticable pauses throughout the film.

I have emailed MGM and I have also complained to Watchdog. If Columbia can repress Disc 2 of Gladiator due to problems then MGM should follow suit.

Any one want to share there opinions of the disc.

[mr_woo]

i found the disk to be truly excellent, NO PAUSES at all through the directors cut (with exception of layer change) and have played all the special features with no problems as well.

Guess i must be luck then :)

[juan_schwartz]

I got the same problems as you Matrix; trailers, deleted scenes not playing, and pauses throughout the dir cut. (on my SD2109)

I took it and played it on my parents' Pioneer and it was fine.

Have you got the address you emailed? I will send a similar complaint!

Ta

[Matrix_1888]

i emailed MGM through there website, but it was the US Site, i bet you they wont ever reply.

MGM UK contact addy and telephone is

MGM HOME ENTERTAINMENT (EUROPE) LTD
5 Kew Road,
Richmond, Surrey,
TW9 2PR

Tel - 020 8939 9300

[Jimmyboy]

Originally posted by Matrix_1888

I have also complained to Watchdog.

:nuts:

[KeyserSoze]

ive got a cheapeo DVD player and i only noticed 2 pauses in the film - before ED209 and right at the end before robo enters OCP building.

but the pause at ED209 is so ridiculously long, its distacting so i would like to see it repressed.

although i could live with it.

[SqueakyG]

You can try Watchdog, but I think they;ve got bigger fish to fry. Honestly... it may be a pain, but not Watchdog material.

The only big mistake they made when pressing this disc was the choice to make the Director's Cut the branched-scene version. They knew damn wel that 99% of people will only ever watch the Director's Cut version... so why not make the theatrical version the one with the layer-change pauses, and make the Director's Cut totally smooth?

[Fozzybear]

Bought this from Asda yesterday and disc 1 won't even load on my tosh 100e :mad:

I'm going to take it back and ask for a refund, but I bought it in Colchester and don't fancy travelling all the way up there to get it sorted - what are the chances that the Chelmsford branch will give me a refund? Good or slim? I'll probably give them a ring tomorrow and ask.

[DeadKenny]

Originally posted by SqueakyG
You can try Watchdog, but I think they;ve got bigger fish to fry. Honestly... it may be a pain, but not Watchdog material.

The only big mistake they made when pressing this disc was the choice to make the Director's Cut the branched-scene version. They knew damn wel that 99% of people will only ever watch the Director's Cut version... so why not make the theatrical version the one with the layer-change pauses, and make the Director's Cut totally smooth?

Time to fish around on ebay for a Criterion version? :D

[MarcusUK]

or get a decent player :D :p ;)

[Matrix_1888]

all ready have the criterion version

:D

[Gizmo]

Originally posted by MarcusUK
or get a decent player :D :p ;)

Doesn't some smartarse come out with this ever-so-helpful advice every time a problem disc is released?

Usually it's because it's budget players that are having problems but this time its Toshiba players - a highly reputable brand with arguably the best players on the market! Keysersoze has already stated that his 'cheapeo [sic] player' has little difficulty with the disc.

I haven't made up my mind whether to invest in the Robocop boxset so I can't add any information on how the disc plays in my Sony player. However if the disc is having problems on Tosh machines - which are surely built rigidly to the dvd book standard then MGM have to consider re-issuing the offending disc. Whether they will is another matter...

[Jimmyboy]

Someone posted a way of getting it to work on a tosh (take that literally if you like :D ) player.
I think it involves ejecting the disc repeatedly or something and it works once in every 3 attempts or something daft like that.

[MarcusUK]

Originally posted by Gizmo


Doesn't some smartarse come out with this ever-so-helpful advice every time a problem disc is released?



Alright don;t get your knickers in a twist. If you must demand more info then. I have the boxset and I have no problems running it on my panasonic.

That better? :rolleyes:

[DeadKenny]

Originally posted by Gizmo


Doesn't some smartarse come out with this ever-so-helpful advice every time a problem disc is released?

Usually it's because it's budget players that are having problems but this time its Toshiba players - a highly reputable brand with arguably the best players on the market! Keysersoze has already stated that his 'cheapeo [sic] player' has little difficulty with the disc.

I haven't made up my mind whether to invest in the Robocop boxset so I can't add any information on how the disc plays in my Sony player. However if the disc is having problems on Tosh machines - which are surely built rigidly to the dvd book standard then MGM have to consider re-issuing the offending disc. Whether they will is another matter...

The smartarse answer is to get the Criterion version :D. I saw this coming when they announced the "seamless" branching. Good job I kept my Criterion ;)

However, on a serious point it seems there's a problem with branching on R2 titles (T2 for example amongst others). I wonder if the R1 will be okay? (shame it's not 1.66:1 though).

[Jimmyboy]

Originally posted by DeadKenny


The smartarse answer is to get the Criterion version :D. I saw this coming when they announced the "seamless" branching. Good job I kept my Criterion ;)

However, on a serious point it seems there's a problem with branching on R2 titles (T2 for example amongst others). I wonder if the R1 will be okay? (shame it's not 1.66:1 though).
Spoken like someone whos never seen the MGM release.
I actually rather like the new ratio, the transfer is improved greatly, 5.1 soundtrack which adds new life into the movie (especially ED209 scenes), 2 different versions of the movie, and both quantity and quality in the extras department.
The only disapointment I found with Robocop was the sequels.
I think I'd rather have paid £25 for Robocop on its own coz the sequels bring the original down so much.
If your a fan of the sequels though, then the Robo Trilogy is a must have.

[fattyboombatty]

Originally posted by DeadKenny


However, on a serious point it seems there's a problem with branching on R2 titles (T2 for example amongst others).

i have no problem with my R2 T2, but my R2 MGM robocop DC version is crap whilst the theatrical version plays fine, no pauses ANYWHERE.

and i prefere the theatrical version anyway. MGM did a hatchet job on the DC version.

[KeyserSoze]

yes, i remember back when i was a little'n i preferred Robo2 to 1 :eek:

i watch it now, and i realise just how good the first one is.

Robo2 is just dire, only just realised it doesnt have the same music as the first movie.

i havent seen Robo3 yet (on DVD) but im beginning to think this may be better than 2, as a 'so bad its good film' ........ or not.

[DeadKenny]

Originally posted by fattyboombatty


i have no problem with my R2 T2, but my R2 MGM robocop DC version is crap whilst the theatrical version plays fine, no pauses ANYWHERE.

and i prefere the theatrical version anyway. MGM did a hatchet job on the DC version.

R2 T2 doesn't have all the versions seamless though I thought unlike the R1 which does? Something to do with problems they had with doing seamless branching so instead they just put the extra scenes in as deleted scenes?

The DC of Robocop should be the same as the Director Approved Criterion version as far as I know. Verhoeven probably didn't approve the MGM one, just MGM decided to call it 'Directors Cut' and nicked the extra scenes from some poor quality print.

Main point though is MGM should have just done the whole uncut version, as the director intended, in 1.66:1, without any of this seamless branching rubbish. Maybe they wanted to have parental control, but then they could have used the parental control feature of DVD (which hardly any company uses I think). I got the impression they can use parental control to skip scenes like seamless branching which is all that would have been required.

[Davester]

Originally posted by Fozzybear
Bought this from Asda yesterday and disc 1 won't even load on my tosh 100e :mad:

I'm going to take it back and ask for a refund, but I bought it in Colchester and don't fancy travelling all the way up there to get it sorted - what are the chances that the Chelmsford branch will give me a refund? Good or slim? I'll probably give them a ring tomorrow and ask. Shouldn't see there being a problem if you explain the situation.

[RoboCop4]

Originally posted by DeadKenny
However, on a serious point it seems there's a problem with branching on R2 titles (T2 for example amongst others).

AFAIK, there's no <u>problem</u> implementing branching on R2 discs, as 'The Abyss' and 'Independence Day' prove. The reason seamless branching wasn't included on T2 is that there was nowhere available to do it (not many DVD authoring houses have the technology to do it - and there's a long waiting list for those that can.)

IMHO, Momentum were perfectly justified in releasing only one version of T2 on the disc, as the alternative would have been to either use integrated branching (which seems to be pants) or wait a couple of years until resources became available to implement seamless branching. If they had done the latter, people would be moaning about 'R2 getting shafted again'....

MGM should probably have done the same for Robo 1. They should also have used the same print as Criterion, instead of adding a blue tint and making it so dark. But that's another story... :)

[Fozzybear]

Originally posted by Davester
Shouldn't see there being a problem if you explain the situation.

I emailed Asda last night and got a reply this morning (I was quite impressed). The guy said:


Thank you for taking time to contact me regarding the Robocop DVD that you purchased from our store. At Asda we do a no excuses guaranteed policy which means that if you have a problem with a product you can take it back to any store with or without a receipt.

I hope this helps with your enquiry and if you require any further
assistance please do not hesitate to contact me.

Chris Smith
Customer relations


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