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Friday 24 April
First practice: 7:55am - 9:35am - BBC Red Button/online
Second practice: 11:55am - 13:35am - BBC Red Button/online
Saturday 25 April
Third practice: 8:55am - 10:05am - BBC Red Button/online
Qualifying: 11:10am - 1:15pm - BBC One/online
Sunday 26 April
Race: 12:10pm - 3:00pm
Highlights: 7:00pm - 8:00pm and 1:15am - 2:15am - BBC Three/online
Can it be three in a row? Huh?:thinking: I am of course not referring to any driver, but instead the rain:doh:
Can Ferrari score a point?:lol:
Can Heikki finish two races in a row?:eek:
Will Eddie Jordan be back?:oh-hum:
DanWilde1966
22-04-2009, 08:10
Red Bull's new diffuser will not be ready/fitted to the car till Monaco. I'll be interested to see whether or not Brawn can re-establish dominance this weekend, in what I presume will be a dry race!
I've been waiting for a 'normal' dry race for ages now! Still want to see the affect the aero regulations have had on overtaking on a typical modern circuit!
I'm just hoping Williams have got the ability to claim some deserved points, they've woefully underachieved yet again, despite having some clear pace.
Last weather forecast I saw was for dry and hot...
Last weather forecast I saw was for dry and hot...
That should suit the brawns then, as they seem to suffer from tyre temperrature problems like the ferraris used to. Funny that :suspect:
The Bear
22-04-2009, 18:13
I'm just glad Qualifying and the race are on at sensible times again!
A bit off topic, but I couldn't see a better place to put it. Looks like Donington may be in doubt?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8015028.stm
he future of the British Grand Prix at Donington is again in doubt after legal proceedings were issued against the company leasing the track.
Track owners Wheatcroft & Son Limited are seeking £2.47m in rent arrears from Donington Ventures Leisure Ltd (DVLL) as well as forfeiture of the lease
...<snip>....
Practise one, Hamilton on top, BMW's 2nd and 3rd. Button 5th. Could the Brawn window of opportunity be over already!? I hope not.
Sort it out Ross, were the other teams on lighter fuel/softer tyres?
The Bear
24-04-2009, 11:14
The Brawns have always concentrated on longer fueled runs in the practice sessions.
Brawns not too hot in second practice either.
The Ferrari's are looking good. Not :) , though I guess the second session was their race setup rather than quali.
soberion
24-04-2009, 19:13
How cool is the BBC coverage? Just watching the whole of todays free practice on the Iplayer now.
Suck that ITV.
fattyboombatty
24-04-2009, 20:47
the practice sessions are actually quite predictable already and don't really reflect race ability
past practice sessions for the last 2-3 races
hamilton posts fastest in first practice, drops to mid table for second
rosberg posts fastest in second and doesn't turn up for the race
brawns post top end times for both practices and have a strong pole and race
red bull find speed from non-existent places and freak me out cos they aint got a magic diffuser
ferrari sit and wonder what has gone wrong.
here's hoping spain sees some kind of challenge from the macs.
Loving Bernievisions new toy: overlaying 2 cars works beautifully to show the differences in handling/drivers lines/styles through various corners.
Hopefully itll actually be used in qualifying/the race, too many of these fun gadgets only get used on Fridays.
The Bear
25-04-2009, 01:49
Yeah I thought that was brilliant. Especially to show how much KERS helps out of the corners.
I missed that, but am not sittin all through practice to see it. Can anyone tell me roughly how far through it is so I can see it on i-player?
Lol - just watching the pre-quali. The contrast between the construction of the Abu Dhabi track and the re-development of Donnington - Light years apart, made me feel proud to be British! lol
The Bear
25-04-2009, 10:44
They used it 3 or 4 times throughout. Not sure of the exact times sorry.
I just laughed at the quali build up as they walked straight out of shot into the back of the Red Bull garage as they talked!
Please no Ferraris in Q3, Please no Ferraris in Q3, PLEASE! :thumbs:
Well that mixes it up a bit. Hopefully Seb has a clean get away tomorrow & can pass a Toyota or two before the first pitstops. Shame a Kers car couldn't have been higher up as they could have been in the top 2 on the first lap. As it is they are mostly bunched together. I'm sure Brawn won't be upset with their positioning, I'd be surprised if they weren't heavier than the front 3 at least.
:edit: Button suggests Fuel Corrected he'll still be '4th'. I'm sure though that Kimi is distinctly heavier than those in front of him, he was 2.5 seconds slower from Q2 to Q3 compared to only 0.8 for Trulli, Glock 1.1, Seb 1.6, Button 1.2, Hamilton 1.3, Rubens 1.4, Fernando 1.7, Felipe 1.8, & Rosberg 2.0. Although of course an unseen mistake in Q3 can account for some of the difference.
:edit: Actually supposedly Kimi didn't have any new tyres left. I thought he looked comfortable in Q2 once I saw that Heikki & the BMWs failed to get in the top 10 but the team 'instructed' him to go for another run, according to Kimi - the same in Q1 too. Obviously after the earlier errors Ferrari don't want to take the risks but when you're that far behind where you want to be, sometimes that's precisely why you have to take the risk. Maybe Luca arriving tomorrow is playing on their minds. :D
Sammy709Sony930
25-04-2009, 12:15
Oh naw, he's back :-(
(EJ!)
From the 2009 season, the FIA is making public the weights of the cars, with their fuel load included, following Saturday's qualifying session.
Below is the weight of each car following qualifying for the Chinese Grand Prix, sorted by qualifying position.
Pos Driver Team Weight (kg)
1. Trulli Toyota 648.5
2. Glock Toyota 643.0
3. Vettel Red Bull-Renault 659.0
4. Button Brawn-Mercedes 652.5
5. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 652.5
6. Barrichello Brawn-Mercedes 649.0
7. Alonso Renault 650.5
8. Massa Ferrari 664.5
9. Rosberg Williams-Toyota 670.5
10. Raikkonen Ferrari 671.5
11. Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes 678.5
12. Nakajima Williams-Toyota 680.9
13. Kubica BMW-Sauber 698.6
14. Heidfeld BMW-Sauber 696.3
15. Piquet Renault 677.6
16. Sutil Force India-Mercedes 679.0
17. Buemi Toro Rosso-Ferrari 678.5
18. Fisichella Force India-Mercedes 652.0
19. Webber Red Bull-Renault 656.0
20. Bourdais Toro Rosso-Ferrari 667.5
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/74832
That's great for Seb. :) A couple of laps heavier than the Brawns and a fair few over the Toyota's. Ferrari should be happy with their Qualy positions given they have the 10th & 13th heaviest cars too, assuming they can get the cars to the end!
Good improvement from Lewis as well, comparable to the Brawns (although they have very good race pace). Looks like any advantage the Brawns had, has well and truely gone now. Fingers crossed for their Barcelona package!
Well my guesses with the relative weights of the cars were way off - I had assumed Toyota were fairly light leaving Brawn/RB 'ahead', with the Toyotas matching up more with Alonso/Hamilton. Guess not :D
Interesting to see just how poor McLaren/Ferrari/Renault were today: on what we were led to believe was the track most favouring KERS of the entire season. Take that away and theyd likely all have struggled to make the top 10 (tho with BMW being so poor this weekend its unlikely theyd all miss out, but bleh you get what I mean ..... maybe)
If Glock can get past Trulli off of the start he'll have a great chance of winning: Trulli has always had a habit of holding up everyone else.
Amusing to see Webber put all the blame for his poor qualifying on Sutil. The reality is if he had put in a better lap earlier in qualifying he wouldnt have been in that situation. Vettel showed the RedBull had plenty of pace to spare to get through Q1 so why wasnt he able to do a better lap on an earlier run?
They did say that the support races just before qualifying had taken off most of the rubber laid down, meaning lap times were coming down significantly all the time, so you're being harsh on Webber there. The times are so close anyway, there's a reason why almost every driver goes out for a second attempt in the last few minutes in Q1 :)
So. How long before Trulli drops out of the top six?:lol:
Great maneuver from Alonso. Wonder if Button can take advantage?
EDIT: Yes he can.
Is live timing broken (formula1.com) or is it my PC?
Is live timing broken (formula1.com) or is it my PC?
it's your PC. Fine here
They're saying Button is fueled light but wasn't his stop 9.4 seconds?
Superb drive from JB:clap:
Classy drive from Button (yet again). Did he make a mistake the whole race?
If Brawn stay reasonably competitive he could run away with the title.
Also listened entirely to 5Live and have to admit it is better:thumbs:
How caned did Button's tyres look? :eek:
DanWilde1966
26-04-2009, 13:44
An absolute cracker of a race. :thumbs:
Much has been said about the British GP and it's lack of facilities.
Bahrain may well have the best facilities of the GP circuit, but Bernie, open your eyes. The Bahrain circuit only has a 50,000 capacity:|and it was empty:( Did others see the shots of the Pit Straights grandstand? It was a quarter full:eek:Is this seriously what Bernie wants for F1?:shrug:
They did say that the support races just before qualifying had taken off most of the rubber laid down, meaning lap times were coming down significantly all the time, so you're being harsh on Webber there. The times are so close anyway, there's a reason why almost every driver goes out for a second attempt in the last few minutes in Q1 :)Look at other drivers early attempts in Q1 compared to Webbers. Many of them would be uncomfortably close to 15th place, but would be ok - even those who initially went out on the harder tyre or used tyres.
As far as Im concerned its a simple fact that Webber/Red Bull should never have been in the situation where he had only 1 lap to get himself into Q2. As the saying goes: **** happens - thats why the session is 20 minutes long.
Looks like Toyota lost this race on Friday. The soft tyre was far quicker, and lasted just fine on longer runs, but for some reason they didnt trust it for the middle part of the race when they had more fuel. Either their car is far harder on its tyres than the others (which we've not really had a chance to judge so far this season) or they got things badly wrong when evaluating the tyres.
Good race though, Button owes Trulli a beer or 2 for that one ;)
Piquet ... :doh: Not the first time we've seen him panic when someone was trying to overtake in a faster car but why hasnt he learned yet? Theres no point in slowing down and throwing time away when hes guaranteed to lose the position sooner rather than later. Just let him past.
KERS is starting to get annoying: it doesnt add anything to the racing when only a handful of cars have it, and just makes slower cars that have it virtually impossible to overtake. Its supposed to be compulsory to have it next year, so hopefully this is only a temporary annoyance.
They're saying Button is fueled light but wasn't his stop 9.4 seconds?Yup, give that man a cookie.
One of the countless cockups from Brundle today, his misunderstanding of the discussion between Hamilton and his team was just a :brickwall moment.
How caned did Button's tyres look? :eek:In the later stages of the race? They looked just fine.
After he'd cruised around the edge of the track picking up as much junk as possible before parking it? Sure, they looked trashed: but there was 1cm+ of discarded rubber/sand/dust/etc stuck to them.
The Bear
26-04-2009, 17:59
KERS is starting to get annoying: it doesnt add anything to the racing when only a handful of cars have it, and just makes slower cars that have it virtually impossible to overtake. Its supposed to be compulsory to have it next year, so hopefully this is only a temporary annoyance.
Got to agree with this. It's a ridiculous situation. They should all have it or not at all.
The Bear
26-04-2009, 18:01
Also why was Legard saying this was the first dry race of the season? I don't remember any rain in Melbourne.
Great result! :notworthy Race was ok, but I'd forgotten how bland that track is, as a TV viewer there aren't enough landmarks and distinguishing features to understand where on the track the cars are (except the start/finish straight).
Oh my god! "Snog, Marry Avoid" is on after the hightlights! If any team needs to re-design their nose cone, just check out Jodie Marsh's face and nose!!!!
but I'd forgotten how bland that track is, as a TV viewer there aren't enough landmarks and distinguishing features to understand where on the track the cars are (except the start/finish straight).
Just what I was grumbling about. Such a boring track and after the first pistops so was the race.
I see that ITV won a BAFTA for the Brazil race last year. What exactly did they do for that?
I see that ITV won a BAFTA for the Brazil race last year. What exactly did they do for that?Indeed, the old chestnut of having advert breaks during the event itself should have discounted them, and they didn't even control the cameras/direction. Still the exec producer guy did seem suitably embarassed to have won :D .
DanWilde1966
27-04-2009, 06:33
Indeed, the old chestnut of having advert breaks during the event itself should have discounted them, and they didn't even control the cameras/direction. Still the exec producer guy did seem suitably embarassed to have won :D .Not having adverts is excellent, but I still expect them. When the race gets to a certain point and the commentators pause briefly, I expect the awful ad break music to interrupt the race and for ads to start. It's like a Pavlovian response.
Napoleon
27-04-2009, 07:50
Great result! :notworthy Race was ok, but I'd forgotten how bland that track is, as a TV viewer there aren't enough landmarks and distinguishing features to understand where on the track the cars are (except the start/finish straight).
The next race is in the multi-storey car park. :brickwall
A few stories doing the rounds....
If McLaren get a hammering before the FIA this week for Liargate then both Mercedes and Vodafone will look to end their involvement with F1
Expect a British GP at Silverstone in 2010! But only because Bernie has bought Donnington or Brand Hatch and is upgrading them to host the GP from 2011
DanWilde1966
27-04-2009, 12:10
A few stories doing the rounds....
If McLaren get a hammering before the FIA this week for Liargate then both Mercedes and Vodafone will look to end their involvement with F1
Expect a British GP at Silverstone in 2010! But only because Bernie has bought Donnington or Brand Hatch and is upgrading them to host the GP from 2011Wasn't Vodafone looking to go back to Ferrari?
A few stories doing the rounds....
If McLaren get a hammering before the FIA this week for Liargate then both Mercedes and Vodafone will look to end their involvement with F1
Well there are two white, black and yellow cars doing pretty well with Mercedes engines in need of sponsorship ;)
I see that ITV won a BAFTA for the Brazil race last year. What exactly did they do for that?
Was it for this?
http://i38.tinypic.com/34i1bnp.gif
Because whoever captured this moment deserves so much more! :lol:
nutter45
27-04-2009, 15:32
If McLaren get a hammering before the FIA this week for Liargate then both Mercedes and Vodafone will look to end their involvement with F1
Whether it's an FIA :suspect: conspiracy or sheer ineptitude at McLaren you have to wonder why any sponsors would continue to want to be associated with the PR disasters they serve up. There is such a thing as bad publicity :nuts:
Bahrain was an interesting race I thought (first lap especially!). Toyota look pretty naive for sacrificing their race strategy for qualifying headlines, and fair play to Button for his pass on lap 2 which defined the race...
Also why was Legard saying this was the first dry race of the season? I don't remember any rain in Melbourne.He probably didnt make himself very clear, but I was assuming his point was it was the first fully dry race not badly interrupted by safety cars: it was the first time we'd seen dry race strategies allowed to play out from start to finish.
I see that ITV won a BAFTA for the Brazil race last year. What exactly did they do for that?The way these awards work is that the company (ITV Sport in this case) are asked which productions theyd like to be considered. The winner is then almost always determined by the event itself rather than having anything to do with what the broadcaster did.
ITV have generally picked up 1 or more awards for their F1 coverage every season: always for the wrong races.
The only time the ITV F1 production deserved any award was, imo, THAT Indi GP. Farcical race/event but very well covered :)
Because whoever captured this moment deserves so much more! :lol:Any pictures you see with the F1 logo in the bottom left are not the work of ITV: thats the tag used by Bernievision (more normally referred to as FOM). Thats a moment that will go down in history though: bringing a smile to Ferrari haters everywhere whenever they think about it :clap:
fattyboombatty
29-04-2009, 10:25
which is a shame because massa seems like a nice bloke and his poor papa was gutted. still, he didn't have to drive for the red menace.
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