View Full Version : Battlestar Galactica - S4 E12 - The disquiet that follows my soul *** SPOILERS ***
Terribly_Mauled
24-01-2009, 07:17
The Chicago Tribune's next spoiler filled interview with Ron Moore on the creation of this week's episode is up:
http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/01/battlestar-galactica-ron-moore-disquiet-follows-my-soul.html
Expect it to be updated with further stuff over the weekend as well.
Worth noting the webisodes occured between last weeks episode and this one. If you havent seen them, it may be worth tracking them down.
Drysolder
24-01-2009, 07:23
And RDM makes it clear that Cally did NOT cheat on Tyrol.
Terribly_Mauled
24-01-2009, 10:21
so the Dr was lieing?
Answered in the above link.... just go read ;)
Drysolder
24-01-2009, 11:29
so the Dr was lieing?
She conceived BEFORE she got together with Tyrol. As I say, RDM is absolutely clear, she DIDN'T cheat - can't be any fairer than that, really.
Another great ep BTW.
The Cally's baby's father bit wins the award for "best plot contrivance to get out of a dodgy mythos situation", since for bit there would have been two mystical cylon babies running about which kind of messed up the whole build up of the Athena and Helo's sprog story.
Good ep apart from that considering it was a 'moving pieces about' style one
Adam Thirnis
24-01-2009, 19:19
What's with the spoilers here? If I want to know what Moore says I'll read the interviews - they are certainly not in episode 12.
LeftHandedGuitarist
24-01-2009, 20:52
A very good episode, and stuffed full of things to think about. It was actually quite funny too, I especially liked, "some days I really hate this job," and Tyrol/Tigh's squabbles.
The Gaeta storyline has got me most interested and I found the scene between him and Starbuck absolutely electric.
The only thing that didn't sit right was Tigh and Six's chumminess and Baltar's scene was more confusing than anything (brilliant dialogue, though - "are you children? ... well, obviously you are... there are children here, but the rest of you.."). Has he given up and his mind has simply returned to the original Baltar we first met? Where was Head Six?
With only 8 episodes left, how are they going to tie everything up now that they've started a potential civil war story arc?
I can't see this ending well in terms of satisfying conclusion and everyone living happily ever after.
General Zod
24-01-2009, 22:32
With only 8 episodes left, how are they going to tie everything up now that they've started a potential civil war story arc?
I can't see this ending well in terms of satisfying conclusion and everyone living happily ever after.
The civil war/mutiny will probably only last one or two episodes, and be interrupted by Cavil's Cylons.
And a happily ever after ending? :lol:
The last scene of the final episode will be a silent shot of Galactica's wreckage floating in space. You heard it here first!
Anyone else think the CGI looked a bit ropey in this episode? The bits with the Vipers in particular.
Little_Dragon
25-01-2009, 02:55
Always liked Gaeta and was great to see him having a go at Starbuck, not sure I like him being the conspirator, but I guess there is no-one else as besides Adama the rest of the military are either cylon, frakking a cylon, or pretty much an extra :p
Do we know how long is meant to have passed between the two episodes? Things have obviously moved along, most noticeably Tigh coming to terms with his role as father of the new Cylon race, but I didn't notice any 'Two Weeks Later' captions.
Spooksta
25-01-2009, 07:57
Im finding the whole thing rather boring now. Turning into Coronation street :cuckoo:
scoobyood
25-01-2009, 10:05
Yeah it was really boring. I fell asleep and I can't be bothered to watch the second half again... doesn't look like much happened... Aside from some OAP sex.
basegreen
25-01-2009, 10:41
Dull as dishwater. As soon as they start going on about politics this show really starts to suffer. It's just a rehash of the previous series. What annoys me is the fact that there's only a handful of episodes left FULL STOP, so why not use them for taut storytelling like Lost has discovered now it has a fixed end point.
The fact that we all know it's going to end bleakly just adds to the discomfort of watching it unfold.
The last episode was excellent TV, but now it's Eastenders in Space again. By far the weakest episode of US TV I've watched this week.
fivebyfive
25-01-2009, 10:49
apart from the starbuck vs gaeta and the scenes with the Dr but it was pretty poor, the problem with the show is the writers have wasted episodes on drawn out plots or stories that have just been crap (apollo & starbuck cheating on their spouses) Now they have quickly wrap the show up
The Hera story was suppose to be important to the show but its pretty much been forgotten about
The Hera story was suppose to be important to the show but its pretty much been forgotten about
It'll be coming back soon no doubt - the whole 'Cally cheated' thing is purely to ensure that Hera is the only Cylon-human mix. I do agree that the making-it-up cracks are showing. Hopefully in an episode or two they'll have everything straight and we can start the actual story . . .
Am I the only one who finds himself on the side of Gaeta and Zarek, if not approving of their potential future methods. Adama and co are pretty damn dictatorial.
General Zod
25-01-2009, 13:55
Am I the only one who finds himself on the side of Gaeta and Zarek, if not approving of their potential future methods. Adama and co are pretty damn dictatorial.
Nope, Roslin is (or was till this episode) like a dog with a juicy bone regarding the presidency. Let's not forget that she took Baltar standing for president pretty personally, including the very conveniently timed remembering that she had seen him with Caprica Six before the attack on the colonies; that she's arguably been an unelected president since the escape from New Caprica; and that she's very frequently leaving the Quorum and vice-President out of the loop.
Adama's not so bad, but he does share her habit of ignoring the Quorum and such, and deciding lots of critical decisions in private discussions between the two of them (the FTL drive upgrade being the latest). As such, it's not really a surprise that Zarek and the Quorum get hacked off. Lee would probably be a lot more inclusive than Roslin ever was, but then you'd have an Adama in both the civilian and military leadership roles.
gavinhanly
25-01-2009, 16:04
Not too impressed with this week - and agree that with only 8 episodes left, things should be moving at a much brisker pace (as said above - see Lost for a good example).
In some ways I would have preferred if the Gaeta webisodes were in the main series - and all the dull machinations were left out. At least there was an interesting revalation in there - and for those who haven't seen the webisodes, his sudden about-face seems a little jarring.
Lots of politics and little or no cylons makes the show more than a little dull, IMO - and I'm getting to the stage where I won't be sad to see it go. Here's hoping it goes out on a bang with the final 8.
Oh, and one last tidbit in case you didn't know - the woman playing the nurse in this episode is Bamber's wife.
Grandmaster
25-01-2009, 16:33
Am I the only one who finds himself on the side of Gaeta and Zarek, if not approving of their potential future methods. Adama and co are pretty damn dictatorial.
On the flipside of that, I'm surprised that any form of democracy would work at all bearing in mind the situation humanity is in. And when you think about it, as the 'quorum' is and always has been portrayed as a bunch of pickering simpletons that doesn't actually seem to be making any kind of positive contribution whatsoever.
And when you think about it, as the 'quorum' is and always has been portrayed as a bunch of pickering simpletons that doesn't actually seem to be making any kind of positive contribution whatsoever.
And that's the problem and it looks like they're going to continue in that fashion as both Gaeta and Zarek appear to being written as a pair of strawmen to be knocked down by our glorious heroes.
For all the internet goes loopy over it, I still think the writing and acting in BSG absolutely pales against 'A' class HBO shows...etc.
With only 8 episodes left, how are they going to tie everything up now that they've started a potential civil war story arc?
I can't see this ending well in terms of satisfying conclusion and everyone living happily ever after.
I have to agree, there seems to be a lot of unresolved plot-lines (of those I remember) and they're now throwing in the mutiny, the search for a new-Earth, Cylon/Human truce plus the other Cylons chasing them.
Then there's :
Resolving who the 5th Cylon is
Shedding light as to why they're so important anyway (other than being unknown)
All the prophecy stuff
How Starbuck can be dead and alive
How her ship got rebuilt/renewed
Why the 13th tribe left markers to where they went if they actually started the 12 colonies as intimated last episode
Plus lots more I probably don't know...!
It'll be coming back soon no doubt - the whole 'Cally cheated' thing is purely to ensure that Hera is the only Cylon-human mix. I do agree that the making-it-up cracks are showing. Hopefully in an episode or two they'll have everything straight and we can start the actual story . . . I am not so sure, isn't it all rather eclisped by the fact that they now have the start of their own reproduction courtsey of Saul Tigh?
After all, the Hera thing was important because Cylons could not reproduce on their own. Hence the breeding farms on Caprica that Starbuck spent some time in. Are they so important now that the Cylon race have their future destiny in their own hands?
GAmbrose
25-01-2009, 19:17
Am I the only one who finds himself on the side of Gaeta and Zarek, if not approving of their potential future methods. Adama and co are pretty damn dictatorial.
In a way yes.
The show had programmed me to root for Adama no matter what really, but I was thinking in a lot of the Zarek/Gaeta scenes that the majority of people would feel like them. As they said, the Cylons were the ones who nuked billions of people in the first place and sent them on their journey.
Gary A
fivebyfive
25-01-2009, 19:36
Gaeta and Zarek are only taking "a stand" because they have their own agendas, Zarek has always been trying to grab power by murder and other ways. Gaeta is a bitter cripple who needs to aim his hate at someone
Galatica needs the sixes and sharons and vice versa to fight cavil's cylons (very similar to the allies needing the soviets to fight the Nazis) The quorum don't get that
Didn't know there is only 8 episodes left as Roy posted there is a lot of loose ends to tie up (Also the show has a track record of wasting episodes)
I liked the bit where a known Cylon started beating up a human and a bunch of humans did nothing about it, except stand around and cheer. WTF?
Definitely some obvious cracks showing in the writing this week.
I'm surprised they didn't start shouting"Fight! Fight!" like in school.
Not too impressed with this week ...
In some ways I would have preferred if the Gaeta webisodes were in the main series - and all the dull machinations were left out. At least there was an interesting revalation in there - and for those who haven't seen the webisodes, his sudden about-face seems a little jarring.
Lots of politics and little or no cylons makes the show more than a little dull, IMO.
Totally agree.
On the flipside of that, I'm surprised that any form of democracy would work at all bearing in mind the situation humanity is in. And when you think about it, as the 'quorum' is and always has been portrayed as a bunch of pickering simpletons that doesn't actually seem to be making any kind of positive contribution whatsoever.
And they are a 'quorum' deciding what exactly? Taxes? Economy? Bin collections? Seem's a rather redundant set up to me. The media role also seems a tad laughable.
gravesend46
28-01-2009, 00:49
Does anyone else think there's a lot of media types around to cover news for 40,000 people? Either journos got lucky and got off Caprica by the bucketload before the balloon went up or there's a shedload of work experience students playing at being journalists in the press conferences.
Most towns of 40,000 would just send a hack with a notebook and photographer, not a full-blown press corps!
I am not so sure, isn't it all rather eclisped by the fact that they now have the start of their own reproduction courtsey of Saul Tigh?
After all, the Hera thing was important because Cylons could not reproduce on their own. Hence the breeding farms on Caprica that Starbuck spent some time in. Are they so important now that the Cylon race have their future destiny in their own hands?
I still think Hera's going to be key in some way - although 6 is pregnant, that's a new Cylon. Hera's the one and only Cylon-human hybrid, and has appeared in visions (and prophecies?). She'll have some role to play, otherwise they wouldn't have bothered shoehorning Cally's kid out by making it fully human.
Either journos got lucky and got off Caprica by the bucketload before the balloon went up or there's a shedload of work experience students playing at being journalists in the press conferences.
Most towns of 40,000 would just send a hack with a notebook and photographer, not a full-blown press corps! If you remember from the mini-series, there were a load of press with Roslin at the Galactica ceremony and aboard her transport when the Colonies were attacked. That is why the number of press is all out of proportion to the size of the fleet.
Am I the only one who finds himself on the side of Gaeta and Zarek, if not approving of their potential future methods. Adama and co are pretty damn dictatorial.
I do see there point of view, but on the other hand also see it as a very racist point of view they way all Cylons (even those that have been with them from day one and saved the human fleet on many occasions) as evil.
I find this very close to how suddenly a lot of people thought all Muslims were evil after 9/11 (and some sill do).
But thats the beauty of the whole dam show really.
It turns things on its head that happen in real life and make you see other points of views.
Just think about how the human resistance acted on New Caprica. Suicided bomber attacks, kangaroo courts, etc, etc....and these were supposed to be the good guys!
I think one of the best things about the show is that it shows things from both sides and is not ashamed for us to see our 'heroes' behave in a way which we would view in the real world as wrong, and the 'bad guys' to sometimes have a strong case.
douglasb
28-01-2009, 06:32
Am I the only one who finds himself on the side of Gaeta and Zarek, if not approving of their potential future methods. Adama and co are pretty damn dictatorial.
Let's see how you feel when the common folk of the DVDF rise up against their overlords. WHo do you think will be first against the wall? :razz:
Drysolder
28-01-2009, 06:58
In some ways I would have preferred if the Gaeta webisodes were in the main series - and all the dull machinations were left out. At least there was an interesting revalation in there - and for those who haven't seen the webisodes, his sudden about-face seems a little jarring.
Plotwise, the webisodes happen just before ep12, so no it's not that jarring. He's just **** stirring after realising the extent to which he was played by the Cylons on New Caprica.
Coolhand
28-01-2009, 08:34
I got half way through this ep and switched it off, I was just bored with it. What started out as a great sci-fi show has descended into a load of pseudo-religious twaddle and characters who have changed so much from their origins that it's just hard to accept. Pretty much started to nosedive at the end of season 2 and although I've persevered with it, I'm really struggling to actually enjoy it. The whole concept of the 5 cylons pushed it down a path to crapness IMO. I'll probably persevere with it just to see how they end it, but it's no longer a must-watch for me, it'll be bottom of the pile for when there's nowt else on.
I'm really disappointed because I loved it during the first two seasons, but it's vanishing up it's own backside now.
degeneration
28-01-2009, 08:50
Although this has probably been mentioned elsewhere, but isn't Ellen a milfy six? I'm sure she isn't the fifth, its just too coincidental that Tigh has knocked up a six and kept seeing Ellen in a six. I'm sure we have a reveal or two left, afterall a lot of BG has been "Whi is a cylon" and to take that away seems brash.
hookbeak
28-01-2009, 09:31
Although this has probably been mentioned elsewhere, but isn't Ellen a milfy six? I'm sure she isn't the fifth, its just too coincidental that Tigh has knocked up a six and kept seeing Ellen in a six. I'm sure we have a reveal or two left, afterall a lot of BG has been "Whi is a cylon" and to take that away seems brash.
But wouldn't have tigh thought at somepoint over the past 4 years, "hang on, i've just realised that six is identical to how my wife looked 20 years ago!"
douglasb
28-01-2009, 09:47
I'm just repeating myself from last 'season' basically, but I do feel they've dropped the ball big-time.
What began as an exciting series that balanced action/danger with some genuinely profound things to say about what it means to be 'human' has become an often dull mix of soap opera and The West Wing. The soap-ish elements would be fine if we still cared about the characters, but 99% of them have been inconsistent and contrary and often act the way the writers need them to for a particular plot element, rather than be real and true to themselves. Starbuck, who was clearly meant for 'greater' things, is arguably the biggest mess and any revelations about her yet to come will in many ways be redundant. If we were to learn she was a Cylon or a ghost or a god or whatever it would just be a case of "So what?"
Of all the characters, perhaps the only consistent and real character has been Roslin who's been on a reasonably steady - and believable - journey from the outset. Everyone else has been a good guy / bad guy / angry person / honourable / dishonourable / drunk / loverman / liar, etc. at some point.
degeneration
28-01-2009, 09:48
But wouldn't have tigh thought at somepoint over the past 4 years, "hang on, i've just realised that six is identical to how my wife looked 20 years ago!"
Maybe Ellen got hit with a shovel? How long were Ellen and Tigh together?
Shedding light as to why the final five are so important anyway (other than being unknown)
They appear to be able to breed for a start...
gavinhanly
28-01-2009, 11:30
Although this has probably been mentioned elsewhere, but isn't Ellen a milfy six? I'm sure she isn't the fifth, its just too coincidental that Tigh has knocked up a six and kept seeing Ellen in a six. I'm sure we have a reveal or two left, afterall a lot of BG has been "Whi is a cylon" and to take that away seems brash.
Actually this is exactly what I thought - definitely expecting this to be the case.
Also regarding Gaeta's transformation - I meant it was specifically jarring to people who hadn't watched the webisodes (which I would imagine is a majority of the viewers) and that they should have put that in the main series, as it was far more interesting than watching people moan at each other.
If you remember from the mini-series, there were a load of press with Roslin at the Galactica ceremony and aboard her transport when the Colonies were attacked. That is why the number of press is all out of proportion to the size of the fleet.
Doesn't mean they have any media outlets though?
NOR: And who is paying them and what do they spend their money on?
douglasb
28-01-2009, 12:48
And how come they have such a supply of toothpaste?
And how come they have such a supply of toothpaste?
:clap:
And Roslin should not be wasting the drugs by chucking them in the bin, surely. Nearest Boots is lightyears away.
GAmbrose
28-01-2009, 12:53
And alcohol...not many barley fields about.
Gary A
Doesn't mean they have any media outlets though?
I thought that each reporter represented a different ship in the fleet?
Coolhand
28-01-2009, 14:35
I'm just repeating myself from last 'season' basically, but I do feel they've dropped the ball big-time.
I've got to say your post sums up my feelings exactly. What started out great has lost it's way....
douglasb
28-01-2009, 14:54
Yeah. My memory for these things isn't so great but I recall real 'hair on the back of the neck' in the earlier moments between Six and Baltar. SF is an ideal vehicle to discuss theology and the re-boot of BSG and its issues of creation, birth and re-birth, home and the human spirit could've made it a classic of the form.
The series was about going home but then they decided to 'get home' before the series ended and now they've got to fill the story out with more scenes of people arguing with each other across a table and civilian unrest. It's like killing the shark in Jaws after an hour. What's the point?
I thought that each reporter represented a different ship in the fleet?
Really? Bit overkill.
Xenomorph
28-01-2009, 16:16
The series was about going home but then they decided to 'get home' before the series ended and now they've got to fill the story out with more scenes of people arguing with each other across a table and civilian unrest. It's like killing the shark in Jaws after an hour. What's the point?
If you ask me the pretentious episode names are proving something of a giveaway, all the best episodes have simple names:
"33"
"The Hub"
"Exodus"
"Resurrection Ship"
"Rapture"
Now we're getting all sorts of nonsense:
"Sometimes a Great Notion"
"A Disquiet Follows My Soul"
The next four episodes have simple names... they'll be ace. :)
The series was about going home but then they decided to 'get home' before the series ended and now they've got to fill the story out with more scenes of people arguing with each other across a table and civilian unrest. It's like killing the shark in Jaws after an hour. What's the point?
I know what you mean, the whole thing has been about the journey home, and now in its final episodes it's about not going home, in fact it's about leaving home and finding a new one. Or something.
To me the only plot that makes sense now is that humanity destroys itself.
Workforce
30-01-2009, 22:16
I got half way through this ep and switched it off, I was just bored with it. What started out as a great sci-fi show has descended into a load of pseudo-religious twaddle and characters who have changed so much from their origins that it's just hard to accept. Pretty much started to nosedive at the end of season 2 and although I've persevered with it, I'm really struggling to actually enjoy it. The whole concept of the 5 cylons pushed it down a path to crapness IMO. I'll probably persevere with it just to see how they end it, but it's no longer a must-watch for me, it'll be bottom of the pile for when there's nowt else on.
I'm really disappointed because I loved it during the first two seasons, but it's vanishing up it's own backside now.
I totally agree with the above. What went wrong after season 2 :shrug:.
A show should go from strength to strength (Like LOST), it just isn't happening - a real shame :cry:
...there's only so much melodrama and politicking we can take before we need to see a giant space battle.
my sentiments entirely - getting bored of all this political carp, if i wanted that i'd watch west wing.
Terribly_Mauled
31-01-2009, 09:39
my sentiments entirely - getting bored of all this political carp, if i wanted that i'd watch west wing.
Guess no one has watched the next episode yet then? ;)
AndyWilson
31-01-2009, 09:58
If you going to post knowing winks, can you do them in the right thread?
Watching an episode first doesn't make your penis bigger.
Terribly_Mauled
31-01-2009, 10:31
If you going to post knowing winks, can you do them in the right thread?
Watching an episode first doesn't make your penis bigger.
Havent even seen it myself!
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