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Great episode again, with a classic Anna Lucia cameo.
Who knows where the show's going?
As long as the series doesn't turn into Prison Break I'll be happy anyway.
Who is the new character skulking around her basement?
Did I miss a major revelation when she turned round.
She wasn't Desmond's old woman was she?
zantarous
22-01-2009, 16:11
It did look as though we were supposed to know who she was but I have no idea. Two very strong episodes.
I know most people love to moan and bitch about this show but I have to say the last season and this one so far have really stepped up a gear and brought us something very special. The only downside of it is you just know there will never be any explanation for all of this.
And Jim for Neighbors has gone all gangster rapper as he is upset that Sun disrespected him had to laugh at that.
The white haired woman is from the Desmond time travel episodes I think. Not certain but doesnt he meet her in the pub, or after being in the pub watching thr game of football where he knows what will happen. Pretty sure she meets up with Desmond and warns him about the dangers of time travel or something.
zantarous
22-01-2009, 16:22
That seems to ring a bell now that you mention it. This will be one of those shows that will reward on a second viewing the whole way through.
shand754
22-01-2009, 16:29
Yep she is from the Desmond episodes and so with the reveal about Desmond at the end of the first episode there are signs that this is starting to fall into place.
That's who I thought she might be but I had no real idea.
sleepy67
22-01-2009, 16:34
Ms Hawking (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Ms._Hawking)
KennyVader
22-01-2009, 19:13
Was it the basement of a church that she was skulking about in, with her "hi-tech" computers and massive pendulums? Might be how she knows Desmond's monks (picture on the desk), obviously something religious about her.
I hope the time travel malarkey means they can bring Shannon back from the dead!
robzinski
22-01-2009, 19:24
As long as the series doesn't turn into Prison Break I'll be happy anyway.
How do you think they're going to get Hurley out?!
Was it the basement of a church that she was skulking about in, with her "hi-tech" computers and massive pendulums
The swings of the pendulum was marking something on a map on the floor. Probably the location of the island.
Think this link might come in handy going forward.
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline
How do you think they're going to get Hurley out?!
That's what I meant!
Gotta love the red-shirt moment ... "We can't even make Fire.....YOWCHHH!!" :lol:
Island stuff still remains nuttier than a Snickers bar although the Anna Lucia moment back in the "real" world was another WTF moment.
Ben is still fantastic. Even when he's being good, you so just cant trust him as far as you can throw Hurley.
Vastly entertaining but I hope they calm the craziness down a notch.
There's a good interview with the actor who plays Ben on the Lostpedia.
robzinski
22-01-2009, 20:13
Gotta love the red-shirt moment ... "We can't even make Fire.....YOWCHHH!!" :lol:
Was he in one of those mini-clips from before Season 4?
KennyVader
22-01-2009, 20:25
Yeah you could tell he was going to get whacked in some way as soon as he stood up prominently and started ranting ... red-shirt-tastic.
Same with Said playing tranquilised and then getting up with the frying pan - nicely done, but could see it coming :D
One thing I'm not sure about yet ... given that Richard and Locke were on separate timelines and met / "unmet" a couple of times, even though they were right next to each other and talking ... does that mean which timeline you're on depends upon which "group" you're in and more likely when you actually arrived on the island ... now if that's true how come Juliet, Charlotte, Daniel, Miles etc all stayed together with Sawyer and the rest of the Losties? Especially Daniel who we saw had been on the island much earlier (when they were building stuff), so how come he (and perhaps Miles etc) weren't coming and going out of sync with the plane Losties?
cockbongo
22-01-2009, 20:51
"I believe you. I don't understand you, but I believe you"
The whole story so far of Lost sounded so delightfully stupid when recounted by Hurley to his mum.
Just a marvellous comedy episode - Cheech Marin on top form too. So pleased this is back and really enjoying the complexities of the plot weaving in and out of previous episodes. They really have planned this well (so far), and i'm especially pleased that they've maintained the "you can't change history as it will course correct itself" concept which will stop ludicrous Back To The Future/Heroes style paradoxes.
Certainly all the Slaughterhouse 5-esque time jumping puts Desmond's previous "flashes" into context a bit better, and Mama Caffee from Brotherhood (presumably she's Faraday''s mum?) popping up again just blew my tiny mind a little bit.
I love Lost.
robzinski
22-01-2009, 21:08
The whole story so far of Lost sounded so delightfully stupid when recounted by Hurley to his mum.
Aye, it was great. Like at the start of one season of Friends where Joey was doing the recap, but he had no idea of what had happened. :lol:
They really have planned this well (so far), and i'm especially pleased that they've maintained the "you can't change history as it will course correct itself" concept which will stop ludicrous Back To The Future/Heroes style paradoxes.
How does that work with Desmond not remembering Daniel then, from either Oxford or when he met him in the hatch? We know Daniel remembered it as he had 'Desmond Hume is my constant' in his journal.
Certainly all the Slaughterhouse 5-esque time jumping puts Desmond's previous "flashes" into context a bit better, and Mama Caffee from Brotherhood (presumably she's Faraday''s mum?) popping up again just blew my tiny mind a little bit.
Good call. Never even considered that she could be who Daniel wanted Desmond to contact. If he meets her, will he look at her all large-eyed and go 'Aaah nooo yooo', like he did with Charlie? But then, if he does meet ther then that means he'll contact Ben, who wants to kill Penny. :eek:
cockbongo
22-01-2009, 21:19
If he meets her, will he look at her all large-eyed and go 'Aaah nooo yooo', like he did with Charlie? But then, if he does meet ther then that means he'll contact Ben, who wants to kill Penny. :eek:
Exactly....:suspect:
How does that work with Desmond not remembering Daniel then, from either Oxford or when he met him in the hatch? We know Daniel remembered it as he had 'Desmond Hume is my constant' in his journal.
Well i just presumed that Desmond's mind had blocked it out in one way or another - he had a rather strange few years remember, being washed up on an island and all. And it makes sense that Daniel was the only person that could get Desmond to answer the hatch door and talk to him as he was the only one who had (in some way) met Desmond before, maintaining the (now slightly bendy) time thread...
Oh, and surely I can't be the only one thinking that the soldiers that Juliet and Sawyer met may be part of the team from Rousseau's boat?
robzinski
22-01-2009, 21:37
Oh, and surely I can't be the only one thinking that the soldiers that Juliet and Sawyer met may be part of the team from Rousseau's boat?
And how does Locke randomly killing people not effect the space/time continueum?
Captain_Howdy666
22-01-2009, 21:40
Oh, and surely I can't be the only one thinking that the soldiers that Juliet and Sawyer met may be part of the team from Rousseau's boat?
They had Dharma uniforms on, so who who knows.
This is still the greatest ******* television show ever.
And how does Locke randomly killing people not effect the space/time continueum?
This I presume is what happened. Danile is very clear when telling Sawyer he can't change the past that Desmond doesn't know him when they arrive on the island / blow the hatch and so he can't have met him in that timeline.
Those baddies will be dead in any future timeline, and always have been from that point on.
How do you think they're going to get Hurley out?!
The swings of the pendulum was marking something on a map on the floor. Probably the location of the island.
Think this link might come in handy going forward.
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline
The pendulum swings marked what was translated onto the computer and noted as an 'event window' or something, presumably the places the island can move to???
If it does really move.
what a superb mind **** Lost is :D great to have it back :)
KennyVader
22-01-2009, 22:16
Foucault Pendulum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foucault_pendulum)
cockbongo
22-01-2009, 22:19
They had Dharma uniforms on, so who who knows.
Were they? They looked like uniforms of some kind, but I couldn't make out if they were Dharma or not...
Oh, and surely I can't be the only one thinking that the soldiers that Juliet and Sawyer met may be part of the team from Rousseau's boat?
I think their the guys from the Arrow Station. The way Candle was talking in the first episode made it sound like they were mercs or something hired to take care of the Others.
Xenomorph
22-01-2009, 22:56
One thing I noticed is that Hawkings response to Bens question ( what happens if he fails to get everyone back ) was the same as Candle's response to the workers question ( what happens if they drill hole in wacky wheel room ) at the beginning of the first episode.
"God Help Us All".
Good to have it back. Completely bonkers but at the same time I think it's beginning to fall into place.
Xenomorph
22-01-2009, 23:21
Speculation:
What if the whole show is about course correcting? It's basically this magical idea that the universe manipulates events to put things right?
So we now know from what Candle said that one of Dharma's goals is to manipulate time however they are aware of the "rules".
So then we have Desmond... for whom the rules don't apply. Why is this so? Presumably because he was in the centre of the Swan when it went up... or maybe the 108 button nonsense was an elaborate way of ensuring someone stayed down in the Swan long enough to become "special"... point is the Swan has somethign to do with making "special" people and it could well be deliberate on Dharma's part.
So we know they've been trying to change time. What if they succeeded?
If they did then the universe would try to course correct right? What if the crash of 815, smokey, the ghosts all of the crazy stuff we can't really explain is part of this course correction?
cockbongo
22-01-2009, 23:43
I think their the guys from the Arrow Station. The way Candle was talking in the first episode made it sound like they were mercs or something hired to take care of the Others.
And what with all the bloody arrows in this episode (which seems to be a fairly big hint) I think you're right.
SithLordSi
23-01-2009, 02:15
Theory time:
Cast your minds back to last season. Charlie's warning to Jack (passed on by Hurley) and Claire's warning to Kate may not actually have been about baby Aaron. We assumed that Charlie's message - "You're not supposed to raise him!" - referred to Jack and Kate raising Aaron together, and that Claire's message - "Don't you dare bring him back!" - referred to Aaron returning to the island. However... what if by "him" they actually meant John Locke?
"You're not supposed to RAISE him (FROM THE DEAD)."
"Don't you dare BRING HIM BACK (TO LIFE)."
So if Kate's dream was, in fact, a communication with the island, and we assume the above theory to be true, then the island doesn't want John Locke up and walking around again (which is, I assume, what Ben alluded to when he met Jack's question - "He's dead, isn't he?" - with stony silence). All of which strengthens my belief that Locke is actually the 'big bad' of the entire story. We've been led to assume that he's the tragic hero of the piece, when actually I think he's a weak and dangerous individual whose abandonment issues and ongoing obsession to prove himself have the potential to endanger many lives.
We've seen examples of this. As a boy, when asked by Richard Alpert to identify the items belonging to him, Locke picked the knife which was clearly not what Richard was hoping for. As a teenager, when given the opportunity to come to the island, Locke was beligerant to his teacher and refused to accept his path in life. "Don't tell me what I can't do!" became his motto. As an adult, when conned by his father, Locke's obsession over it lost him the love of his life and ended in his paralysis. And as protector of the island, having been cured of his paralysis, Locke was responsible for the deaths of at least two people (Boone and Naomi). His self-flagellation over the purpose of The Swan resulted in its destruction and (presumably) enabled Widmore to find the island after twenty years of searching. All of which leads me to believe that, when Jacob told Locke to ask "the one question that really matters", Locke got it wrong.
"How do I save the island?"
Notice how Jacob smiled creepily at Claire, who smiled creepily back? What if that wasn't the right question? What if Locke's destiny was never to move the island? What if, just as with every other decision in his life, he managed to come to the wrong conclusion? The answer to his question led directly to the island being moved, which led to the dire state of affairs we are in right now. Now, if any of this has even a hint of truth to it, then it doesn't explain why the island doesn't want John Locke back. Something tells me we'll find out soon!
Right, now that I've got that off my chest, some other random theories/observations:
- I think we can now see why Richard Alpert took such an interest in Locke as a baby, as a young boy and as a teenager. We know Locke will eventually meet Richard in the past because Richard referenced that very meeting when he was removing the bullet from Locke's leg. I think the compass present-Richard gave Locke to give to past-Richard is the very same compass that Richard presented to Locke when he was a boy. Assuming Richard travels back in time subsequent to that meeting (either by using the Orchid, or by becoming 'unstuck' in time), he might have been 'grooming' Locke for the position, or simply monitoring him to make sure he's the leader he claims to be. As we now know, anything touching a person when they go back in time goes "along for the ride". This explains why Richard was able to present young Locke with the very same compass.
- The fact that Locke met Ethan in the past may explain why Ben hates Locke so much. Having shot Locke and then seen him vanish into thin air, Ethan would surely have told Ben. Ben must surely have been curious. Who was this guy whom Ben had never met, laying claim to his throne? Then when Locke showed up on the flight manifest for Oceanic 815, Ben just had to meet him. This ominous figure whom he had built up in his mind... this rival. It would explain why Ben was so eager for Locke to fail, why he played mind-games with him down in the hatch and then shot him and left him for dead in the Dharma mass grave. He even said to Hurley: "I should've known it was pointless but I wasn't thinking clearly". He knew it was pointless because, for Locke to show up in the past and meet Ethan and Richard, he would have to survive whatever Ben could throw at him in the present.
- As for Desmond, I think the reason he's unique is that he was at the centre of the Swan Station when it imploded, and because he's the only person on the island (besides Faraday) with a constant. In other words, he's the only one to have his consciousness become unstuck in time and live to tell the tale (George Minkowski and the other freighter folk all died after their time travel experiences). Also I think the reason Desmond doesn't totally recognise Faraday outside the hatch, despite having met him in Oxford years ago, is that when his mind was fully restored in the present (following the phone conversation with Penny) his memories of those specific events in the past were erased. Sort of like balancing the equation, which is what the constant does. Still, we can see a flicker of recognition when Desmond has Faraday at gunpoint. Oh, and I think the reason Faraday can effectively change the future by giving instructions to Desmond in the past is because Desmond's consciousness still has the ability to jump back and forth - a residual effect of the hatch imploding, if you will. Part of what makes him unique.
- I think the guys with guns threatening Sawyer and Juliette were probably not Dharma folk. The Dharma initiative were wiped out long before Desmond came to the island (nine years prior, I believe) so unless Faraday et al jumped back even further in time without us knowing (unlikely) these soldiers are part of some faction we've not seen before. It's possible they are US Army. Remember Goodwin had that US Army knife which Ana Lucia quizzed him about? I'm assuming Goodwin was never in the military.
- I'm really excited to learn more about the Dharma station named 'The Arrow'. Wasn't that where the tail-section survivors were living for their first 48 days on the island? If so we might finally learn why there's a glass eye in there, and why someone decided to hide part of the orientation film for 'The Swan' in a hollowed out bible. I'm guessing that, at some point, our heroes jump even further back in time. This would explain how Daniel Faraday is able to be present for the building of 'The Orchid', and would allow the writers to address issues such as the invisible map on the blast door in 'The Swan'.
basegreen
23-01-2009, 09:07
Interesting stuff, but given all of the above, how do they explain the dharma food "drop"?
Xenomorph
23-01-2009, 09:22
Theory time:
- I'm really excited to learn more about the Dharma station named 'The Arrow'. Wasn't that where the tail-section survivors were living for their first 48 days on the island? If so we might finally learn why there's a glass eye in there, and why someone decided to hide part of the orientation film for 'The Swan' in a hollowed out bible. I'm guessing that, at some point, our heroes jump even further back in time. This would explain how Daniel Faraday is able to be present for the building of 'The Orchid', and would allow the writers to address issues such as the invisible map on the blast door in 'The Swan'.
I reckon we'll find out what the Swan really does... I think it's definitely got something to do with breaking/manipulating the "rules" of time.
cockbongo
23-01-2009, 12:18
- I think the guys with guns threatening Sawyer and Juliette were probably not Dharma folk. The Dharma initiative were wiped out long before Desmond came to the island (nine years prior, I believe) so unless Faraday et al jumped back even further in time without us knowing (unlikely) these soldiers are part of some faction we've not seen before. It's possible they are US Army. Remember Goodwin had that US Army knife which Ana Lucia quizzed him about? I'm assuming Goodwin was never in the military.
They're obsession with cutting off limbs continues to remind me of the stories about Rousseau's party - remember Montand lost his arm....
- I'm really excited to learn more about the Dharma station named 'The Arrow'. Wasn't that where the tail-section survivors were living for their first 48 days on the island? If so we might finally learn why there's a glass eye in there, and why someone decided to hide part of the orientation film for 'The Swan' in a hollowed out bible. I'm guessing that, at some point, our heroes jump even further back in time. This would explain how Daniel Faraday is able to be present for the building of 'The Orchid', and would allow the writers to address issues such as the invisible map on the blast door in 'The Swan'.
I thought Radzinski (?) drew the map? And the glass eye in The Arrow belonged to Patchy?
wonderfibre
23-01-2009, 12:43
One thing I'm not sure about yet ... given that Richard and Locke were on separate timelines and met / "unmet" a couple of times, even though they were right next to each other and talking ... does that mean which timeline you're on depends upon which "group" you're in and more likely when you actually arrived on the island ... now if that's true how come Juliet, Charlotte, Daniel, Miles etc all stayed together with Sawyer and the rest of the Losties? Especially Daniel who we saw had been on the island much earlier (when they were building stuff), so how come he (and perhaps Miles etc) weren't coming and going out of sync with the plane Losties?
I think there's just one timeline which has, is and always will be. thanks to fate and course correcting.
Oh, and surely I can't be the only one thinking that the soldiers that Juliet and Sawyer met may be part of the team from Rousseau's boat?
They had Dharma uniforms on, so who who knows.
I thought they looked like a cross between Dharma and military. There have been hints before that the US army have been on the island
I thought Radzinski (?) drew the map? And the glass eye in The Arrow belonged to Patchy?
We've been told that Radzinsky drew it but we don't know that's true and we don't know what he looks like so he could easily turn out to be Daniel or someone
Similarly I don't think we've had it confirmed that the eye belonged to Patchy (though it is likely)
scoobyood
23-01-2009, 13:10
- I think the guys with guns threatening Sawyer and Juliette were probably not Dharma folk. The Dharma initiative were wiped out long before Desmond came to the island (nine years prior, I believe) so unless Faraday et al jumped back even further in time without us knowing (unlikely) these soldiers are part of some faction we've not seen before. It's possible they are US Army. Remember Goodwin had that US Army knife which Ana Lucia quizzed him about? I'm assuming Goodwin was never in the military.
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I don't think they are anyone new. They are others (in dharma garb) who we've not seen because they were killed before the plane crashed.
cockbongo
23-01-2009, 15:27
Oh, and I guess most people are as intrigued as me about the fact that Locke was shot (and therefore couldn't walk) when he arrived back at the location where the plane crashed. When Locke and Boone originally found the plane back in Season 1, didn't Locke's legs mysteriously stop working temporarily?
Implies some kind of "echoing" of effects across time. Or something. There are probably going to be other examples of this I imagine...
edit - oh, and I now reckon Adam and Eve are Aaron and Ji Yeon...;)
scoobyood
23-01-2009, 15:34
^ wow.. yes, I hope that's true. Back then they didn't know what they hell they were doing with the show. But if, in plotting out how it all ends, they've gone into that much detail then I don't think people are going to be disappointed in the finale.
My brain hurts reading this, sad to say this is one reason we gave up on lost 5 episodes into S4.
Has S4 been on channel four yet? I might catch up if its coming on.
cockbongo
23-01-2009, 16:31
Your brain is supposed to hurt. But in a good, intriguing, thought-provoking, exciting way. I gasped and wow-ed my way through these two episodes like a school kid.
As opposed to episodes of Heroes, which have the effect of sending me to sleep and come across as cheap plot devices.
Another quick edit here - lovely interview with Damon L.
http://sepinwall.blogspot.com/2009/01/sepinwall-on-tv-lost-goes-time.html
The Arrow
Arrow of time? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow_of_time)
then there's the "Time's Arrow" stories by Martin Amis and Arthur C. Clarke. Maybe elements of these fit in, we know how Lost loves it's books!
Also the "whispers" are explained now aren't they? They're the people flitting through time on the island intersecting with another event, or trying to?
basegreen
23-01-2009, 18:45
Was just reading about how the network in the USA has been using time compression on Lost, so they can squeeze an extra advert break in. They essentially speed up the show by 2-3% (mainly undetectable by viewers) which over a 40minute (of content) show means an extra ad or two.
How ironic!
AndyWilson
23-01-2009, 19:02
I hope Desmonds mad woman acting all ritualistic doesn't mean it ain't gonna get all mystical and chicken entrailly...
...both Deep Space Nine and Battlestar Galactica were spoiled by cod religion
So it's like an artificial PAL speed-up? ... Pathetic! ... but it's US Networks we are talkin' about so it doesn't surprise me. :|
I hope Desmonds mad woman acting all ritualistic doesn't mean it ain't gonna get all mystical and chicken entrailly...
...both Deep Space Nine and Battlestar Galactica were spoiled by cod religionWell religion and faith have been major themes from the start so...
basegreen
23-01-2009, 19:11
So it's like an artificial PAL speed-up? ... Pathetic! ... but it's US Networks we are talkin' about so it doesn't surprise me. :|
Yes - and it's mainly noticeable with background music, since they can cleverly adapt the title music (etc) pitch by the same 2-3%. This can't be done so easily with background music.
It also has a secondary effect of making digital capture and encoding look much worse, so double the benefit for the network.
Here's what they use: http://www.editware.com/timetailor-home.htm
The latest versions of it negate some of those music issues I mentioned.
Tom Whitaker
23-01-2009, 21:14
I've no idea how you lot keep so well versed in this. I recognise everyone and have a pretty good idea of what's going on, but I'm starting to get the feeling that quite a lot's going over my head.
Enjoying it still, though.
It's called obsession! :dork:
Gotta love the red-shirt moment ... "We can't even make Fire.....YOWCHHH!!" :lol:
Was that not Roach from People Under The stairs...?
I got all excited when I saw him, until he died.
Has one of those Crouchie faces...
DrVenkman
24-01-2009, 09:56
Yeah it was, the touch of him wearing an actual red shirt was nice too. He also appears in the mobisodes a couple of times.
I really have to mention Michael Emerson again. I didn't think there was a face for "Why did you just throw a hot pocket at me Hurley?" But by God that man found one.
Also, count me suprised that so far, the time travel business makes perfect sense.
Oh and rumours are that the next episode is one of the best they've made.
36Degrees
24-01-2009, 12:49
As with all Lost season openers, loved the first 5 minutes, so was thinking, oh god I'm going to hate the next hour aren't I?
Well I loved it! Absolute amazing, it seemed to make sense, few dodgy things (hated the Sun/Kate mini 5 minutes, could have done more with that)...
Thank god red shirt died too !
Only thing which is ?!?!??? me is that Faraday (I assume) goes back in time to when the Orchid was constructed .... for what purpose I wonder, and does that mean it can be controlled ?
Highlander
24-01-2009, 13:20
What's happening to Charlotte? or 'Ginger', even :D Is she travelling between times as well?
basegreen
24-01-2009, 14:04
What's happening to Charlotte? or 'Ginger', even :D Is she travelling between times as well?
She can time travel in my direction any day ;o)
:n0rty:
Bapapapa
24-01-2009, 14:51
What an absolute rush Faraday must be having being in the middle of all this.. :dork:
The rest of them who can't possibly comprehend what's going on, why aren't they utterly bricking it..? I would be..! :nuts:
Great show!
She can time travel in my direction any day ;o)
:n0rty:What, even with her nose period? :D
btw, Juliet sobered up bloody fast!
basegreen
24-01-2009, 15:32
What, even with her nose period? :D
Nothing a bit of tissue can't solve ;) :luv:
What an absolute rush Faraday must be having being in the middle of all this.. :dork:
The rest of them who can't possibly comprehend what's going on, why aren't they utterly bricking it..? I would be..! :nuts:
Great show!After what's been happening to them in the last 4 seasons? I think nothing would surprise them now
KennyVader
24-01-2009, 18:51
What an absolute rush Faraday must be having being in the middle of all this.. :dork:
The rest of them who can't possibly comprehend what's going on, why aren't they utterly bricking it..? I would be..! :nuts:
Great show!
All the ones that are quietly sitting in the corner rocking back and forth with fear are being kept offscreen so they can be Frogurt Red Shirts in later episodes :thumbs:
Now they've revealed the guy who does the Dharma videos had a child, could the child be Miles?
Quincunx
25-01-2009, 00:26
Now they've revealed the guy who does the Dharma videos had a child, could the child be Miles?
I was wondering who it could be.
KennyVader
25-01-2009, 09:42
It might be Miles, but it might be a "stolen" baby ... so could be anyone really. May be Charlotte, since she said she had been on the island before ... :?:
Bapapapa
25-01-2009, 13:04
Charlotte doesn't look very Asian, though.. :nuts:
KennyVader
25-01-2009, 13:12
Neither did the baby, really. Hence the first part of post 60.
Bapapapa
25-01-2009, 14:28
It certainly didn't look like a pasty faced ginger.. :p
tbh, I haven't watched it again so you may be right..
I think the compass present-Richard gave Locke to give to past-Richard is the very same compass that Richard presented to Locke when he was a boy. Assuming Richard travels back in time subsequent to that meeting (either by using the Orchid, or by becoming 'unstuck' in time), he might have been 'grooming' Locke for the position, or simply monitoring him to make sure he's the leader he claims to be. As we now know, anything touching a person when they go back in time goes "along for the ride". This explains why Richard was able to present young Locke with the very same compass.
If it was supposed to be the same compass the props department screwed up because it isn't the same compass :D
GAmbrose
25-01-2009, 16:51
I really have to mention Michael Emerson again. I didn't think there was a face for "Why did you just throw a hot pocket at me Hurley?" But by God that man found one.
Spot on, I was hoping I wasn't the only one who thought that was comedy gold. I was laughing for about 10 seconds.
Gary A
Great to have this back really enjoyed the first two episodes and was disappointed when it ended.
This disappointment doubled when I then went to iTunes (http://www.thedvdforums.com/affiliatelink.php?localaffiliateid=55) to down loaded the latest podcast for The LOST Initiative (official UK Sky one) & Offical LOST Podcast (US official one), only to find that the sky one is now a video only one to listen via the Sky site & the US one is now a collection of small video interviews :(
Used to really like listing to these two on the way to and from work on a Monday after the Sunday showing, oh wells thats progress for you:brickwall
The official Lost podcast (US one with Darlton) will be back properly soon they said in this week's short (5 min) audio one. It's because they're really busy getting the episodes done unsurprisingly. Nice that they put out something anyway (2 small videos and one audio). :)
ascender
26-01-2009, 07:32
Much as I really enjoyed the first two episodes, I found them a bit hard work thanks to questions from my missus, many of which I couldn't answer or only had a vague idea of. Who's that? What did they do? Is that person dead? What happened to Claire? etc etc
And so it went on. I thought I was paying attention, but obviously not as I only had a kind of vague recollection of what had happened to them in the past series.
fugazied
26-01-2009, 07:47
Hopefully there won't be too much time travel through the rest of the series, IMO it is what has destroyed Heroes (well in addition to some terrible actors)
GAmbrose
26-01-2009, 08:00
Much as I really enjoyed the first two episodes, I found them a bit hard work thanks to questions from my missus, many of which I couldn't answer or only had a vague idea of. Who's that? What did they do? Is that person dead? What happened to Claire? etc etc
And so it went on. I thought I was paying attention, but obviously not as I only had a kind of vague recollection of what had happened to them in the past series.
As per usual, I re-watched the last episode of the previous season, just to remind myself where we were which does help quite a lot.
According to Empire, Claire won't be in Season 5 at all...
Gary A
According to Empire, Claire won't be in Season 5 at all...
Gary A
Good, terrible actress!
What happened to her though, i cannot remember? Went off with Jacob ws it?
Hopefully there won't be too much time travel through the rest of the series, IMO it is what has destroyed Heroes (well in addition to some terrible actors)Oh well, bad luck! :D
At least Lost has some "rules" about time travel in so far as nothing that happened can be changed. They are pretty much doing it right and it's one hell of a journey. :thumbs:
Hopefully there won't be too much time travel through the rest of the series, IMO it is what has destroyed Heroes (well in addition to some terrible actors)
I think it'll be ok - this time travel's not under the control of the characters (well it might be in the loosest possible sense but not in the same plot wrecking way that Heroes is).
Is anyone keeping a running total of the survivors original 48 ? I'm pretty sure at least half of them have been killed for whatever reason by now, just wondering how many there are left - makes all the "And everyone we left on the island" quote by Jack seem a little bit redundant - someone needs to buy Jack a calculator !
ascender
26-01-2009, 08:39
Stupid question, but why are we only seeing one set of Losties when the island is moving back and forwards in time and none of the dead characters being alive? Are we just assuming that there are multiple sets of them alive & kicking, but they just aren't bumping in to them?
I think they are all out of phase with each other in their own "realities". It would certainly explain the whispers!
ascender
26-01-2009, 08:49
So what determines who is a whisper and who is definitely there? Desmond was there in the station. Locke was clearly there and Richard (??) knew exactly when & where he'd be. The guys who ambushed Sawyer were there for example when I'm assuming, they've since died? At first I was wondering, if you die, are you removed from the timeline and that's it, but I don't think that explains it either.
Was just wondering if there was a simple explanation in terms of something I've missed or if we just need to go with it?
So we know they've been trying to change time. What if they succeeded?
If they did then the universe would try to course correct right? What if the crash of 815, smokey, the ghosts all of the crazy stuff we can't really explain is part of this course correction?
Nice idea. So maybe there were agents intervening in small ways in our characters' lives for some reason... things we may have seen already (or have yet to see) in flashbacks, even. Could this finally be an explanation for Libby? She was the one who gave Des his boat, and she was in the hospital with Hurley.
Maybe Libby is the island! ;) :nuts:
GAmbrose
26-01-2009, 09:19
Again, the Empire interview had an interesting nugget of information
If you see one scene off-Island between Jack and Kate after Locke has turned up in a coffin, that surely makes a scene between Locke and Sawyer on-Island a flashback? Not in Season 5 - The scenes will be presented "as linear"
I notice as well that they keep referring to Locke as in a coffin, rather than dead. Is there any way he could have used the Spider poison that Nikki used on Paulo? Remember they ended up getting buried alive...bit of a stretch maybe, as I assume someone would have carried out an Autopsy if it was thought to be suicide?
Gary A
It's weird isn't it; I've seen every episode, got every season on DVD, love the show, but ask me to explain any of it and I'd just have to shrug my shoulders at you.
Another gripping 2 hour premiere this week. I was hooked, lot's of 'oh my god' moments and it feels like things are slipping into place and I can sense that Lindelof and Cuse know what they are doing and not just making it up as they go along - just don't ask me to explain it.
I can't think of any other show ever that I have been gripped by that I just plain don't understand - testament to the writing and characters I suppose that I want to find out how it ends in spite of this.
It's obvious by now that Locke wont be dead dead and will be revived one way or another once they get back to the island.
It's weird isn't it; I've seen every episode, got every season on DVD, love the show, but ask me to explain any of it and I'd just have to shrug my shoulders at you.
Another gripping 2 hour premiere this week. I was hooked, lot's of 'oh my god' moments and it feels like things are slipping into place and I can sense that Lindelof and Cuse know what they are doing and not just making it up as they go along - just don't ask me to explain it.
I can't think of any other show ever that I have been gripped by that I just plain don't understand - testament to the writing and characters I suppose that I want to find out how it ends in spite of this.
I think the part of it is that there is so much detail going on in a single episode there's too much to keep track of. but hell, what a ride :thumbs:
*I still want an explaination for the big foot statue at the end of season one :dork:
*I still want an explaination for the big foot statue at the end of season one :dork:
That's an easy one to solve.
We saw Sawyer step on something this week that will infect one of his toes, resulting in Juliet amputating it. Then during one of their time-hops back in time, Sawyer will accidentally do something heroic in front of an ancient tribe & they will build a statue of him to honour his heroism. ;)
GAmbrose
26-01-2009, 09:52
Heh, I hope not!
Gary A
AdamBrunt
26-01-2009, 12:48
Was it just me who thought the woman in the Candle's bed (at the beginning of episode 1) was Sun ? Especially when they were clearly hiding the man's identity.
Also ... when 'red shirt' gets torched, the arrows were clearly coming from deep in the trees, yet (a) Sawyer tells them to run to the trees and (b) then the arrows are suddenly coming from the beach :?:
wonderfibre
26-01-2009, 13:45
Good, terrible actress!
What happened to her though, i cannot remember? Went off with Jacob ws it?
She went off with her dad Christian Shepperd (who told Locke that he wasn't Jacob)
cockbongo
26-01-2009, 13:56
That's an easy one to solve.
We saw Sawyer step on something this week that will infect one of his toes, resulting in Juliet amputating it. Then during one of their time-hops back in time, Sawyer will accidentally do something heroic in front of an ancient tribe & they will build a statue of him to honour his heroism. ;)
That's ******* *brilliant* mate.
Oh, and there is absolutely no way Locke is dead. Not a chance.
I seem to remember reading a couple of years ago that someone put together a theory which explained everything with the idea of "course-correction", before even "Flashes Before The Eyes" had aired. Must dig it out, it may be quite prescient.
Worth watching FBTE again, by the way - it links in perfectly...
Jazzatola
26-01-2009, 14:21
I still want an explaination for the big foot statue at the end of season one :dork:End of season 2 it was. And more information is coming this season apparently.
Was it just me who thought the woman in the Candle's bed (at the beginning of episode 1) was Sun ? Especially when they were clearly hiding the man's identity.I did, i thought it was sun made up to be a bit older, certainly has the same smile.
A few questions and revelations here...
http://themisfitishere.blogspot.com/
Did I miss the explanation/reason why the island dissappeared?
Because all of the focus seemed to be on people and objects 'skipping' through time, like a record player. If the island is skipping through time as well, it would still be in the same position. There must be more going on than time travel.
It reminds me of the Red Dwarf episode where they install the time machine and travel back 3 millions years but haven't moved. They are still in the same position, in the depths of space and realise they needs a faster than light drive. :lol:
I notice as well that they keep referring to Locke as in a coffin, rather than dead. Is there any way he could have used the Spider poison that Nikki used on Paulo? Remember they ended up getting buried alive...bit of a stretch maybe, as I assume someone would have carried out an Autopsy if it was thought to be suicide?
I was thinking that there has to be some connection with the Michael situation (remember that for some reason he couldn't commit suicide when he was back in the real world). Dead in the real world doesn't necessarily mean dead when on the island (remember Jack's dad's coffin being empty). I can see Locke being re-animated in some way if they take his body back to the island, and I wouldn't be surprised to find out that Locke gave up his life in the real world, knowing full well he could come back to life on the island.
SithLordSi
26-01-2009, 21:20
I think Faraday's notebook will play a large role in this season. I think the island will keep jumping about in the past, eventually landing back in the heyday of the Dharma Initiative. Whatever Daniel learns about the Orchid station, he will write down in a notebook. This book makes its way off the island somehow, and finds its way back to the original Daniel (the one teaching at Oxford University) sometime before he visits the island. This would explain why he is so eager to study space-time - because he has the foundations of the theory, even if he doesn't fully understand it yet - and how he knows so much about the Dharma Initiative and, in particular, the Orchid.
Man.... I love reading all these theories... just realised in conjunction with some of the other fans above, I've yet to understand a whole lot more and I'm sure things are zooming way above my head. I have to say, amidst all the garbage on TV, this stands to be one of the most intelligent, deep and reflective shows on air.... people love 24 'cos of Jack Bauer/Kiefer- without him, it would cease to exist- no matter how pants or repetitive each season gets, Jack Bauer's still cool and the only reason to watch it. Heroes is just fantasy "for a laugh" entertainment, certainly nothing to discuss really... just watch and enjoy the ride. This is just on a completely different planet of depth and reward for those who ponder and are patient. Amazing show, I can't wait for the rest of this season and then the finale next year! (small prayer that God keeps me alive and well just so I can enjoy the end!!!)
Absolutely loved the first two episodes! So who was firing the flamed arrows? Was that "the others" ? That was confusing!
Wonderful to see Ana-Lucia again, I've missed her. Is it me or has Kate lost a little of her sexyness and replaced by Ginger and Julia as the totty?!
Ana-Lucia's ever changing fake fangs bothered me though. She started off with wonk teeth at the end of Season 1, had 'em fixed for her Season 2 stint as a "regular" and looks (and sounds) like she's had chicklets inserted since! Maybe all that pussy juice rotted her real teefs?
Talking of theories, it's been way too long since we've had a link to the mirror matter theory (now updated for season five), so here it is: http://mirrormattermoon.blogspot.com/
Still the #1 theory for me.
gravesend46
26-01-2009, 23:58
Is it me or has Kate lost a little of her sexyness and replaced by Ginger
It's you... :D
Xenomorph
27-01-2009, 00:03
Talking of theories, it's been way too long since we've had a link to the mirror matter theory (now updated for season five), so here it is: http://mirrormattermoon.blogspot.com/
Still the #1 theory for me.
Way way too complex now I think, though I used to consider it a contender. I'm convinced now it's going to simply come down to course correcting. Dharma did something and the universe is really struggling to put it right... so much so that it has to intertwine the Losties, crash their plane, use it's physical hand ( Smokey ) and manipulate everyone ( with ghosts of the dead ).
This course correcting can be pretty much used to explain anything they want really... except the origin of the island itself and the wacky wheel and all that. That's up for grabs.
Terribly_Mauled
27-01-2009, 07:06
Did I miss the explanation/reason why the island dissappeared?
Because all of the focus seemed to be on people and objects 'skipping' through time, like a record player. If the island is skipping through time as well, it would still be in the same position. There must be more going on than time travel.
Going on the big swinging pendulum in the crazy white haired ladies basement at the end, the island is clearly moving to different positions around the globe as well as in time. Its marking likely positions on the map. Looks like its been moving for 3 years.
At a guess, they have 70 hours to get everyone back to the island [in the present] as after then it'll start jumping into the centre of a landmass.
crazy white haired ladyMs. Hawking! Tell me everyone remembers her please!
I seem to remember reading a couple of years ago that someone put together a theory which explained everything with the idea of "course-correction", before even "Flashes Before The Eyes" had aired. Must dig it out, it may be quite prescient.
You mean this guy ...
http://www.timelooptheory.com/the_timeline.html
I must admit I keep looking back at his theory. When he started it, years ago he unleashed it with such a fanfare etc and was so confident he even set up it's own website. Slowy, bit by bit, his theory is breaking away, and with each episode he updates his theory to make it fit. It looks quite different not from the one he first started with. I knew ythis would happen and it's quite funny to me to see it fall to bits as he was so cocksure when he wrote it. But credit to the man, he has a level of persistance that I do admire !
Has no-one mentioned that when Faraday talks about the island moving and using "rules", that these must be the same "rules" that Widmore broke when Keamy shot Alex and Ben mumble "He changed the rules".
ChrisHunt
27-01-2009, 08:13
Neither did the baby, really. Hence the first part of post 60.
I've got another baby theory:
Assuming Marvin Candle + wife (Sun lookalike) had a baby on the island this means that you could concieve and give birth at some point.
This changed when the island moved for the first time (is this the incident leading to the creation of the swan?). From that point onwards the island is trying to course correct in time ad is moving about meaning that because the babys didn't exist before the island moved they can't exist after it has moved hence the miscarriages / deaths.
Claire + baby were okay as she concieved off island and therefore the baby would have always been born with or without the island hence no need to course correct.
Sun + baby is a problem however my guess is that she escaped before the course correction caught up with her and this could cause some problems for the baby going forwards. My guess is that Sun may have to choose between going back to the island without her baby, going back to the island with her baby and it will die or staying in the real world.
Coolhand
27-01-2009, 08:38
I've got another baby theory:
Assuming Marvin Candle + wife (Sun lookalike) had a baby on the island this means that you could concieve and give birth at some point.
That's a pretty big assume, there's no evidence for that. The baby could easily have been conceived and born off-island.
Is this meant to be the final series?
No.
There's another next year.
Terribly_Mauled
27-01-2009, 09:27
Ms. Hawking! Tell me everyone remembers her please!
I do, from Desmond's earlier episodes. But its easier just to call her a crazy white haired lady as everyone will REALLY know who I'm talking about then :D
ChrisHunt
27-01-2009, 11:00
Ms. Hawking! Tell me everyone remembers her please!
When she turned up I guessed exactly who she was and assumed desmond was going to knock on the door looking for Daniels mother. Still think she my be. Hopefully we'll find out soon.
Silver Jet
27-01-2009, 12:59
Did anybody see the half hour show called Lost: Season 5 Revealed that was on prior to the opening 2 episodes on Sky on Sunday night? Basically it was Iain Lee interviewing the crew and cast and showing a little bit of behind the scenes footage, it was mentioned that episode 9 and 10 were being filmed. Unfortunately this behind the scenes footage gave away major spoilers (Don't read this if you want to remain spoiler free).
Jack, Kate, Sayid and Hurley are on island back in the 1970's being initiated into the Dharma Initiative. Sawyer and Miles can also be seen wearing Dharma overalls. Sawyer's overalls carry the name LaFleur and his job title is Head Of Security. In another shot you saw Sun and Ben walking onto a beach with a beardless Frank Lapidus following them wearing what appears to be either a naval or cruise ship uniform.I guess that explains Faraday being seen in the opening scene.
I was a bit peeved that they showed this as I didn't want to see any spoilers and just thought it would be an interview show.
Similar spoilers can be found in the link to themisfitishere's blog.
wonderfibre
27-01-2009, 13:11
whilst those are spoilers and it's incredibly stupid for them to be shown before the first ep's even aired (!) it's not much more than I would have assumed to happen
I always thought that Season 5 would be about them getting back. Perhaps they get back quite early on and there's two island stories going on in different times, thus continuing with the two-storyline per episode idea they've had from day 1.
Please tell me you haven't just spoiled what's going to happen re: pace of this series with that incredibly un-oblique post.
cjanderson
27-01-2009, 19:56
did anyone else Yell "nooooooooooooooooooooooooo" when red shirt gave saywer his shirt, at least he got his comeupponce for that one later :D
geeky tom and paul terry are quite fit, but i still prefer the podcast of old and listening on my ipod :(
def sticking with this (and i did laugh at Hurleys explanation to his mum), whereas gave up on heroes as too silly :D
did anyone else Yell "nooooooooooooooooooooooooo" when red shirt gave saywer his shirt, at least he got his comeupponce for that one later :D*raises hand* They managed to make him go an hour with no shirt though! :n0rty: :thumbs:
cjanderson
27-01-2009, 20:26
I knew i'd have one companion to that one ;-)
so the arrows: could be dinosaur hunting cavemen. Or in fact our losties firing at themselves in another timeline :suspect:, i could not work out if the arrows were directed or just volley after volley of them that hit some targets. bit old fashioned though. we have had guns since 1800s haven't we?
When was that ship (black rock) said to have crashed here???
degeneration
27-01-2009, 21:10
Is it just me or is Sawyer getting some love handles?
Is it just me or is Sawyer getting some love handles?
I reckon he is looking very porky. Fat git :p
Bapapapa
27-01-2009, 21:45
bit old fashioned though. we have had guns since 1800s haven't we?Late 1300s (http://www.pbs.org/opb/historydetectives/techniques/weapon_feature.html)
:dork:
I haven't read any of the course-correcting theories, just mirrormattermoon but might all of the losties chose to board the plane, knowing it was going to crash as a means to return to the island previously, but just don't remember or know it yet or something. :D
Few questions:
Anyone wondered why Mrs Hawking has a different surname to Faraday if she does turn out to be his mother ?
And how come when we see Locke talk to Richard, Locke tells him about the frieghter blowing up etc when he was down/around the Orchid when all that happened !?
Ben says to Jack to pack all his things as he's never coming back - do we assume that if he gets back to the island he'll stay there till he dies (so maybe he ia "Adam") - and Jack seems to be particularly ok with that ?
Few questions:
Anyone wondered why Mrs Hawking has a different surname to Faraday if she does turn out to be his mother ? Could be loads of reasons but most likely, marriage.
And how come when we see Locke talk to Richard, Locke tells him about the frieghter blowing up etc when he was down/around the Orchid when all that happened !?he knew about the explosives thanks to Keamy and he says "the chopper was headed for the boat, the boat..." He doesn't say he knows it blew up.
Ben says to Jack to pack all his things as he's never coming back - do we assume that if he gets back to the island he'll stay there till he dies (so maybe he ia "Adam") - and Jack seems to be particularly ok with that ?Jack's life is ******! He doesn't want to come back anymore does he?
Mr Flibble
30-01-2009, 08:30
geeky tom and paul terry are quite fit, but i still prefer the podcast of old and listening on my ipod :(
I'd prefer the audio format too, but Itunes won't download the video version for me either - it downloads, then says there was an error getting the file. Anyone else got this problem?
GAmbrose
30-01-2009, 08:36
And how come when we see Locke talk to Richard, Locke tells him about the frieghter blowing up etc when he was down/around the Orchid when all that happened !?
As Richie said, he was in the Dharma station when Keamy explained the trigger for the bomb on the freighter was linked to his heart rate. Locke was trying to keep him alive after Ben stabbed him (in revenge for killing his daughter.)
This is why I always find it helps to re-watch the season finale before starting the new season ;)
Gary A
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