View Full Version : Battlestar Galactica - S4 E11 - Sometimes a great notion ***SPOILERS GALORE***
Terribly_Mauled
17-01-2009, 08:07
Havent seen it, but had to find out who Number 12 was. Unexpected and ironic.
Drysolder
17-01-2009, 08:22
And then just before the credits…
Saul’s wife was the last of the final five cylons!
Will we be seeing here again??
Well no, unless she's different in some way to the others, as only one copy currently exists of the final five versions. The only way I can see is that she didn't actually die on New Caprica.
Terribly_Mauled
17-01-2009, 08:31
Surely all of the final 5 have existed before, going on the Tigh's vision of the nuking? Therefore, there must be ressurrection technology somewhere else, or on 'Earth' itself...
Just watched this and ... meh....
I suppose that there is a longer plan for the story to pan out but expected more given the way the first half of the series ended.
Is this actually our earth though? One of the great pillars of the original series was that the earth Galactica was searching for ws our earth and it was found. Not enough evidence to suggest it was.
I think this will all end with them finding out where the 13th tribe went and finding "humans" and cylons living in harmony.
Did Starbucks journey in time actually cause the "war"? Could it actually have been Galactica that has done this in the future?
Drysolder
17-01-2009, 10:10
I think this will all end with them finding out where the 13th tribe went and finding "humans" and cylons living in harmony.
Pictures of the last episode were leaked over Christmas. No spoiler here, tho...
scoobyood
17-01-2009, 10:13
Hold on.. if Saul's wife is the 5th... what is Starbuck? She's actually come back from the dead and is a much more important character.
Personally I think all the people on it are Cylons or the Cylons perfected their human copies, or copies upon copies evolved apart or something.
Maybe some one can clear this up for me actually, it's getting confusing and annoying. The original time line/plot had the cylons go off and make themselves human copies (advance their own tech on from toaster looking things) which they then used the clonesbots to infiltrate Caprica.. so they could nuke it. Then later we found out that the human versions are much older than that, Saul being around 20 something years before the first Cylon wars... now we find out that the "human race" and at least one of the original colonies that founded everything was completely cylon. How can they not all be cylon or at least part cylon?? :shrug:
If they aren't all cylon then they'll have to explain everything via time travel and that Earth they found was in the wrong time or their potential future or something. Maybe they have to go back to the ancient texts and swing around Jupiter before jumping at the mouth of a black hole. Maybe that's what happened to Starbuck. She fell into the spot didn't she??.. maybe that was worm hole to the past.
Bah... who knows :lol:
Drysolder
17-01-2009, 11:28
Great episode.
Sprout Crumble
17-01-2009, 11:49
Can't believe how much I've missed this show. Just outstanding in every way.
PaulieC79
17-01-2009, 12:30
WOW. Amazing episode. So much going on. These last 9 are going to be some rollercoaster. Just didn't see any of that coming.
fab episode so far, still watching it. But while its in my mind theres some music being played on the beach, like a sitir type sound with chanting in the background. Very nice. Can anyone recommend similar stuff i can go find on iTunes?
Terribly_Mauled
17-01-2009, 13:44
That'll be Bear McCreary's stuff surely? Head for the Galactica soundtracks as Sitir's feature heavily through all the rest of his stuff for the show
Xenomorph
17-01-2009, 14:24
The merry go round in question probably goes something like this:
Some kind of event to kick everything off... then...
Remaining humans find somewhere and settle.
Humans nuke Cylons to prevent future attacks.
Remaining Cylons find somewhere and settle.
Cylons nuke humans to prevent future attacks.
And so on.
Not sure I like the "time travel" stuff.. and the way I see it Starbuck has to be a Cylon.
IndianaJones00
17-01-2009, 14:30
That was everything I could have wanted from the first episode back, several questions answered and new one's asked :clap:
If they do go the time travel route, I can just see them making Starbuck the child of Tigh and No.6
Workforce
17-01-2009, 15:35
Great to see it back, me thinks the next episode won't be as fast moving, been so before......
Anyway mustn't complain
So, everyone's a cylon and the final episode is going to end with just 13 ships remaining, going off in different directions? :nuts:
Fantastic stuff.
Enough revealed and enough new questions to keep the whole thing together. How are they going to be able to end it in 9 episodes though? Surely there is far too much to deal with?
I was trying to work out if Starbuck was looking at her future self...?
Leboen looked freaked out though.
The whole Dee thing was one of those moments...where you just aren't ready for it. And unlike another show which did the same sort of thing there was no ominous build up towards it.
Dee was absolutely beautiful though and such a nice character for her death to be really shocking.
So there are 2 earth's right?
An original earth where all 13 started out...then a '2nd' earth that the 13th colony started? Seems to be hardly any bodies around for it to be a fully populated 'original' earth and there were no dead humans actually found.
Didn't the 13 tribes all start at Kobol? 12 went to form the 12 colonies that the cylons nuked, and the 13th headed off to Earth
Didn't the 13 tribes all start at Kobol? 12 went to form the 12 colonies that the cylons nuked, and the 13th headed off to Earth
Ah yes...
Kobol was the original cradle of humanity...
Coming back now...
So I wander if the cylons also couldn't have children then as there were so few bodies...
That makes me wonder if the 13th colony and the cylons that attacked the 12 others aren't one and the same?
Where are Brother Cavil and the other cylon splitters? Could they have already gone to the 13th colony (knowing where it was the whole time maybe)? Could they be waiting there for the fleet?
My head hurts now. I am having a problem following through the original plotline; the cylons "plan" that was always referred to in older episodes' intro text - what was it actually? (edit - actually I see a tv movie called "the plan" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlestar_Galactica:_The_Plan) is due to air after the series ends that should explain all?)
How the **** is Starbuck actually Starbuck? That's a mind**** right there. When she said (at the end of season 3) "It's really me, I've been to Earth" wtf? If she's been there how come she didn't say anything about what it was like? I don't get it?! It was her beacon that led them to Earth right?
I feel like I've taken stupid pills or something. I suddenly feel really thick.
Adam Thirnis
17-01-2009, 22:15
So there are a lot more than 12 types of cylons.
Wouldn't that be a massive cheat, breaking one of the main "rules" of the series?
LeftHandedGuitarist
17-01-2009, 22:50
That was one of the best hours of television I've ever seen. The Dee moment took me competely by surprise.
Ah yes...
Kobol was the original cradle of humanity...
Coming back now...
So I wander if the cylons also couldn't have children then as there were so few bodies...The question is, why can't they settle on Kobol?? Looks like a nice enough planet!
I think with Starbuck it's pretty clear that she's neither Cylon nor ordinary human - those paintings she did (on New Caprica?), what the hybrid said, coming back from Earth in a brand new Viper, finding her own dead body - she's some part of a prophecy or plan by some higher power - maybe gods, maybe humans / cylons on some other spiritual plane - I don't know, quite possibly the writers don't either.
I'd feel a bit cheated if they throw time travel into the mix now at the end - but I wouldn't be surprised.
Wow... really good!
So I'm thinking it happens something like this...
- Civilization Begins on Kobol, either naturally or perhaps it is seeded by humans/cylons.
- The 13th Tribe (Cylons) head off to find a new home for whatever reason. These Cylons seem to be a mix of human-form and robots.
- They settle on Earth.
- Someone (Humans? Cylons?) attacks Earth, eventually leading to it being nuked.
- The Cylons on Earth seem to have some advanced notice of their planet being nuked as they seemingly have some way for a number of them to be resurrected.
- Tigh, Ellen, Anders, Tyrol and Tory are resurrected... play poker for 2000 years before finding the humans, integrating into their society and forgetting everything.
- The 12 colonies build the 'Cylons', they rebel, leading to the first Cylon war.
- The Cylons begin experimenting with hybrids, and once exposed by Adama, they end the war and dissapear off somewhere.
- Whilst in exile, the 'Cylons' stumble upon the resurrection hub - a remnant from 2000 years ago, used by the final 5. This explains why the interior of the resurrection ship and hub seems unlike the basestars, and why they seemingly cannot rebuild the hub - it wasn't their technology to begin with. They manage to adapt it to some extent, making new human-form cylons, which are somewhat different from the final 5 (there are many of them, they resurrect).
From here, I'm not sure what is going to happen... Starbuck is a wildcard, perhaps indicating that there is something else out there influencing events?
fattyboombatty
18-01-2009, 04:44
trying to figure out the hows and whys of this show has become pointless. it has contradicted itself so many times that it seems the creators are just making it up as they go. it stopped making sense a while ago.
having said that; it's still a great show and very entertaining.
Grandmaster
18-01-2009, 07:59
So the original split of the 13 tribes was supposed to be 2,000 years ago, right? And Earth was nuked 2,000 years ago, right? Something doesn't make sense here. :thinking:
LeftHandedGuitarist
18-01-2009, 10:08
No, the split happened 3,600 years ago.
Of course the creators make it up as they go along, listen to any podcast and Ron Moore talks about how they only plan a season at a time and then often change things as they get new ideas along the way.
There's a really interesting article about the making of the episode here: http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/01/final-fifth-cylon-ellen-tigh-battlestar-galactica-dualla-dee-.html
Moore has this to say about the timeline:
The part of the timeline I’m having trouble with is this: We know that the Colonies had a cataclysm 2,000 years ago, then we find out Earth had a cataclysm 2,000 years ago. Am I getting something wrong in how I’m looking at the history?
No, you are getting it correctly. I can say that later, as we get through subsequent episodes, there will be more explanations, and actually all this timeline stuff does lock into place. You have to read the subsequent chapters, but it will actually make sense.
GAmbrose
18-01-2009, 11:37
Of all the mysteries unexplained, one of the biggies is that it doesn't really explain how Tigh used to have hair when Adama knew him 30 years ago ;)
Are these Cylons resurrected as babys or something? None of the other Cylons age.
Gary A
LIGHTRAY
18-01-2009, 12:01
Just watched this and ... meh....
I'll probably have to sit down and watch this again, but I felt very much the same way after watching this. Speaking personally, it all felt very anti-climatic and apart from the obvious "shock" moment", the episode didn't really engage my interest much at all. Even that didn't have as much impact on me as it should have.
Odd really, as there was plenty going on it, and some good scenes, but at the end, I just felt, well , "meh".
GAmbrose
18-01-2009, 12:45
I re-watched Episode 10 prior to watching this, which was definately worth doing as I had forgotten quite a lot of what had occurred.
Loved the episode, the end reveal was more of a "Ellen....Ellen! WTF! Thats a bit lame moment.
Gary A
LeftHandedGuitarist
18-01-2009, 12:52
The choice of
Ellen as the fifth cylon is absolutely perfect. It fits in with everything that has happened previously; her coincidental initial appearance in season 1, never finding out if Baltar's cylon detector worked on her, pulling the strings when Tigh was in charge of the fleet, sleeping with Cylons on New Caprica, Tigh seeing her in place of Six.
And of course being "dead" before the beacon (or whatever) "woke" the others up!
GAmbrose
18-01-2009, 14:45
It makes sense, but I was just assuming it would be a MAJOR cast member.
Gary A
Adam Thirnis
18-01-2009, 15:29
The question is, why can't they settle on Kobol?? Looks like a nice enough planet!
Presumably because Cavill would find them
It's all about Starbuck's ovaries.
Ooooooh yeah! We've all forgotten about that haven't we!
LIGHTRAY
19-01-2009, 02:45
... the end reveal was more of a "Ellen....Ellen! WTF!Thats a bit lame moment.
Gary A
I had exactly the same reaction to that bit.
well, who said that the 5th cylon was going to be anymore important then the other 4?
Solid episode with a great "Shock" moment, plenty more intrigue & ending with a "Is that it?" with the final Cylon reveal.
I've now officially given up trying to work out the storylines. Just makes my head hurt trying to make sense of everything.
They've admitted that they make it up as they go along anyway.
They've admitted that they make it up as they go along anyway.
Robot Chicken Season 4 ep1 takes the **** out of this with Ronald Moore guest starring as himself saying how he throws a dart at a dartboard and whoever it hits is now a cylon and he then just watches the cash roll in.
cockbongo
19-01-2009, 14:47
Robot Chicken Season 4 ep1 takes the **** out of this with Ronald Moore guest starring as himself saying how he throws a dart at a dartboard and whoever it hits is now a cylon and he then just watches the cash roll in.
That was a fantastic sketch.
I don't really care that they make it up as they go along: as long as it all fits together then fine. I still want to know what the deal is with Head Six - they better have had a solid idea of that from the beginning....
LeftHandedGuitarist
19-01-2009, 14:56
I've recently listened to the podcast commentaries on all the episodes. I got the impression that Ron does know what Head Six is all about, and had a definite idea early on. We'll find out, though. It's probably the one mystery I want solved above all.
Terribly_Mauled
19-01-2009, 15:07
Big long interview with Ron Moore on the revelations and events of this episode, as well as a couple of short essays by the episode's two writers on it's creation here:
http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/01/final-fifth-cylon-ellen-tigh-battlestar-galactica-dualla-dee-.html
Reading this it makes perfect sense for Ellen to be the final Cylon, as its purely for dramatic [and certainly ironic] purposes.
Ooooooh yeah! We've all forgotten about that haven't we!
Yeah, we've also forgotten that Six has a bun in the toaster, thanks to (we presume) Tigh! :suspect:
I bet they're wishing they could go back and change the "cylons spines glow red when they have sex" detail as it rather messes things up!
Big long interview with Ron Moore on the revelations and events of this episode, as well as a couple of short essays by the episode's two writers on it's creation here:
http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/01/final-fifth-cylon-ellen-tigh-battlestar-galactica-dualla-dee-.html
Actually worth reading - some interesting stuff there - thanks for the link.
Actually worth reading - some interesting stuff there - thanks for the link.
You're welcome! ;)
Terribly_Mauled
20-01-2009, 10:23
You're welcome! ;)
You're welcome welcome :p ;)
GAmbrose
20-01-2009, 10:53
Lengthy read, but very interesting.
Gary A
fattyboombatty
20-01-2009, 11:04
I still want to know what the deal is with Head Six - they better have had a solid idea of that from the beginning....
head six?
The Six Baltar sees in his head! ;)
Terribly_Mauled
20-01-2009, 11:22
Lengthy read, but very interesting.
Gary A
Score composer Bear McCreary's blog's are always worth a read after the broadcasts too. They get very techy at times with the musical construction, but there are also some interesting production stories to balance that. Who would have guessed the vocalist on the music thats playing in the morgue scenes?
http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=981#more-981
Art Vanderlay
20-01-2009, 23:16
I thought it was pretty meh personally.
I was reminded of that Joe Cornish alternative Bond Theme - "sometimes I wish Roger Moore would come back, with an underwater car or some kind of jetpack"
Sometimes I wish we could have space battles and some excitement back in it. It is still quality TV, but I don't enjoy it as much as I used to. I thought the human drama and philosophy elements of the show worked better within the framework of the traditional sci-fi action/drama stuff. I don't think they are quite as powerful when they stand alone
Wow!
That was amazing stuff.
Although the fifth Cylon was actually pretty obvious. As soon as we were told the fifth wasn't in the fleet I had guessed.
The question is, why can't they settle on Kobol?? Looks like a nice enough planet!
When the episode starts they're doing tests of the ground and I think Baltar says that it's still radioactive and not to drink the water.
sleepy67
21-01-2009, 08:15
When the episode starts they're doing tests of the ground and I think Baltar says that it's still radioactive and not to drink the water.Earth is somehow radioactive 2000+ years after a holocaust. Kobol was perfectly habitble with a thriving eco system. Its just the Cylons were there too.
After 2000 years the amount of radioation produced has dropped by a factor in excess of 10,000,000.
Great start to the last of BSG. Looking forward to seeing where all of this is heading... my guess is that it's going to be a gut-punch of an ending.
LeftHandedGuitarist
21-01-2009, 09:20
Something interesting happened in Ron Moore's podcast for this episode:
He refused to talk about the reveal of the fifth cylon at the end, saying he'll get to that next week and didn't want to spoil it for anyone who hasn't seen the episode... maybe there's something more to it?
GAmbrose
21-01-2009, 09:26
I'm sure there is more too it, but if you read the article posted
He said to take it as fact that Ellen is the 5th Cylon
Gary A
I watched this yesterday and I really enjoyed it, fantastic episode!
What an amazing episode. I spent a good ten minutes with my hand over my mouth in shock after Dee's suicide -- and that was followed up with a storming performance by Edward James Olmos. I thought he was fantastic here.
About Ellen... I can well believe that she's a Cylon, but I wonder if it's possible that Saul has a faulty memory. He's already looked at Six and seen Ellen; maybe he's looking at his memories and seeing Ellen where there's somebody else. That might be Six or Deanna, or even Starbuck (aside: Katee Sackhoff once joked about the possibility of having to do a sex scene with Michael Hogan since Starbuck was getting it on with so many people... coincidence, though!), or an anonymous Cylon from when they were plentiful on Earth. Some dormant memories have caused Tigh to go looking for his lost love and he's hooked up with Ellen because she reminds him of the real woman.
It's just an idea, and how much sense it makes depends on the explanations for Tigh's survival after all this time.
cockbongo
21-01-2009, 12:44
Something interesting happened in Ron Moore's podcast for this episode:
He refused to talk about the reveal of the fifth cylon at the end, saying he'll get to that next week and didn't want to spoil it for anyone who hasn't seen the episode... maybe there's something more to it?
The screeners that were sent out to the press didn't have that last scene included.
What an amazing episode. I spent a good ten minutes with my hand over my mouth in shock after Dee's suicide -- and that was followed up with a storming performance by Edward James Olmos. I thought he was fantastic here.
Same goes for me for both.
degeneration
21-01-2009, 12:54
Dee's suicide just knocked me sideways. At a guess as soon as that last moment of happiness left and the situation was clear again she pulled the trigger.
I wonder is Gaeta is going to feel responsible due to his comment which may have broken Dee's happiness.
Dee's suicide just knocked me sideways. At a guess as soon as that last moment of happiness left and the situation was clear again she pulled the trigger.
I think it was the opposite: she wanted to feel a perfect moment of happiness while she did it, so her last seconds alive would be nice. She'd made the decision earlier, and just wanted a nice day before doing it.
About Ellen...
...
It's just an idea, and how much sense it makes depends on the explanations for Tigh's survival after all this time.
Reading more of this thread I think that Ellen does make a lot of sense, so my speculation is probably wrong. Here's another idea though, about the Cylon plan:Perhaps their plan has always been to join with the humans and found a colony. The 13th colony was destroyed, and the 12 colonies had a similar event in the past -- perhaps some Cylon brain decided the only way everything could work is if they lived together. I'd imagine that the Cylons don't really know the goal though.
Maybe the colonies had to be attacked in order to unify the races, and if they hadn't done so something worse would have happened to wipe them all out permanently?
And of course, if they all find a new planet and settle it... well, Earth was always the goal and even though they've found it and left it behind, they could name their new colony in honour of their dream, and call it Earth.
Terribly_Mauled
21-01-2009, 13:38
Dee's suicide just knocked me sideways. At a guess as soon as that last moment of happiness left and the situation was clear again she pulled the trigger.
She clearly decides shes going to top herself in the Raptor on the way back from the planet. The director said so ;)
From the aritcle I posted on the previous page:
I did some research about suicides to prepare for the Dualla story. I found a common thread: friends and family members never saw it coming. So I decided to play Dualla’s story that way. I did not want to tell the story of a woman so depressed she can’t go on, but rather the story of a woman who finds peace in her decision to get off the bus—and in that peace, she can give the gift of optimism and courage and hope to the man she loves. A farewell gift.
When we shot the actual suicide scene, Kandyse McClure hummed a little song as she undressed and put her jewelry away for the last time. It wasn’t scripted or anticipated, but it was haunting and perfect for the moment. A lullaby before the big sleep. I called our composer, Bear McCreary, from the set and talked to him about it. It became a theme in his score—woven into the fabric of the music in the Dualla scenes leading up to the moment, and even after, as Lee contemplates her body in the morgue.
Heres the link again, its a worthwhile read for the explanations of the complexities of character in this episode
http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/01/final-fifth-cylon-ellen-tigh-battlestar-galactica-dualla-dee-.html
I think it was the opposite: she wanted to feel a perfect moment of happiness while she did it, so her last seconds alive would be nice. She'd made the decision earlier, and just wanted a nice day before doing it.
That's how I thought it went too.
Actually, given the situation the people on the fleet have been in for the last 4 seasons, it would be quite likely there would've been an enormous number of suicides among the survivors from Caprica.
Inanimate Carbon Rod
21-01-2009, 13:47
Personally, i thought Dee's suicide...
suggested that perhaps she was some kind of cylon herself. There was that odd moment where she picked up the little metal jacks and broke down. Then she was a total mess in the ship on the journey back, and later Apollo found the jacks in her stuff. I thought that this might be hinting that she may have had flash backs similar to what the final five were experiencing.
Just an idea though.
Terribly_Mauled
21-01-2009, 14:56
Sometimes I wish we could have space battles and some excitement back in it.
I wouldnt worry too much. The final episode has the largest effects budget of the entire show, according to Ron Moore.
-- and that was followed up with a storming performance by Edward James Olmos. I thought he was fantastic here.
"Sit down, Cylon." :eek:
Terribly_Mauled
21-01-2009, 15:05
"Sit down, Cylon." :eek:
The line about Ellen wanting a man with some 'real blood in his main vein' was about as near the knuckle as you can get on a non HBO or FX show methinks... :eek: :thumbs:
The interview linked to earlier in this thread mentions that it was Olmos who changed the scripted "veins" to "main vein". :D
Terribly_Mauled
21-01-2009, 16:43
Yup, and the fact that he could 'smell her' too.
Just so nasty. Brazen stuff all round this episode.
Olmos is just a frakkin' legend. See the extras in the Blade Runner final cut for how overboard he went on getting into his character there.
...where she picked up the little metal jacks and broke down.....
So she went Full Metal Jacket over Little Metal Jacks? :D
Sorry, I'll get my coat...
Podcast for this episode now available for download here:
http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast.php
IndianaJones00
21-01-2009, 23:44
Personally, i thought Dee's suicide...
suggested that perhaps she was some kind of cylon herself. There was that odd moment where she picked up the little metal jacks and broke down. Then she was a total mess in the ship on the journey back, and later Apollo found the jacks in her stuff. I thought that this might be hinting that she may have had flash backs similar to what the final five were experiencing.
Just an idea though.
I took that whole scene as she knew they would have been a child's toy and that they would have been using them when the nukes went off and that was why she broke down and after that it was just all down hill as she had been holding onto the hope of finding Earth and living out a peaceful life and now that was all gone and she just couldnt take it anymore.
sleepy67
22-01-2009, 11:48
Podcast for this episode now available for download here:
http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast.phpthanks
Here's a theory (a rubbish one of course).
Maybe the final five were actually human until the point at which they first used the regeneration ship and its that that causes them to be different?
and as for starbuck, I'm guessing
She's a reincarnation of Pythia of some sorts.
jonthomas83
22-01-2009, 17:13
Heh I thought Adama sad "Man veins", but "main vein" makes sense! Quality!
IMO, that was a brutal episode which was a purely shocking attack on the senses. The locker room scene with Dee was absolutely amazing. I could tell as soon as she broke down on the planet and particularly on the journey back that she'd end up doing that.
The entire episode was plain depressing to be frank, but isn't that what they wanted us, as the audience to feel? we got a sense of what the characters were feeling. Amazing TV, absolutely awesome!
General Zod
22-01-2009, 19:07
I didn't see the Dee thing coming, I thought it made a change to see someone actually behaving cheerfully on this show. Of course, I should have known that anyone who does act cheerful in it is right in line for something pretty damn horrible!
jonthomas83
22-01-2009, 20:30
Yeah I know what you mean, I knew what was going to happen like I said, but then I got lulled into a false sense of security when she changed, that simply made the climax far more shocking.
Terribly_Mauled
22-01-2009, 20:34
Thing is, I think this episode was filled with true and honest reactions to the discovery of Earth for all the characters. Dee in particular...
Its just amazing, and how the Emmy's and Globes can keep passing it by is beyond me.
jonthomas83
22-01-2009, 20:37
Yeah I'd agree with you there, I'm a massive fan of 24, Lost, Prison Break, Heroes etc, this stomps all over them, it's just really, really good! And that's an understatement.
I took that whole scene as she knew they would have been a child's toy and that they would have been using them when the nukes went off and that was why she broke down and after that it was just all down hill as she had been holding onto the hope of finding Earth and living out a peaceful life and now that was all gone and she just couldnt take it anymore.
Yeah, me too. Didn't she also say that she hardly remembered her family or something like that? Her marriage to Lee was the last positive or happy thing she remembered and that went belly up, too. The dream of Earth was in tatters. She knew that things with Lee were well over but wanted to taste what was once happiness for her before she checked out. I think.
Just read some of the Chicago tribune interview, referenced earlier by someone, with Ron Moore and her suicide is along those lines. Earth being dead is the thing that makes her give up; she regains some control in choosing when to die.
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