View Full Version : The Official Liverpool Thread - aka The Rafa Love In
:D Yeah, never got to start one of these.
Long time since we were top at Xmas, anyone know when it last happened?
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You ****...
:)
I was on for the hat-trick...
Serves me right for posting in the Chelsea thread...
Had my title all worked out too...
"The Official Liverpool Thread - Happy XMAS from the Top of The Table fans..."
;)
You ****...
:)
I was on for the hat-trick...
Serves me right for posting in the Chelsea thread...
Had my title all worked out too...
"The Official Liverpool Thread - Happy XMAS from the Top of The Table fans..."
;)
Sorry mate, :D you can have the next one ;)
Sorry mate, :D you can have the next one ;)
Shouldn't be too long...we lose or draw on Friday and everyone and their dog will be in here...
Or if we win but play in a manner not deemed conducive....:D
or if your fans put all their posts in this thread, instead of posting them in other teams threads :)
or if your fans put all their posts in this thread, instead of posting them in other teams threads :)
Pot....kettle.....and all that :p
Look at me, Ma! I'm on top of the world!......... :lol:
Can we change the thread title to "Top of the league at XMAS - and it's still the most miserable thread on DVDF" ? ;)
AdamBrunt
23-12-2008, 09:51
Can we change the thread title to "Top of the league at XMAS - and it's still the most miserable thread on DVDF" ? ;)
:lol:
Time to concentrate now redmen and go easy on the christmas dinner ... let's win the next two.
Looks like no Torres for the Bolton game. :(
Looks like no Torres for the Bolton game. :(
Yeah, but you have Keane! :thumbs:
Well maybe for 60 mins or so ;)
Looks like no Torres for the Bolton game. :(
:( - I'd imagine the same for Newcastle on Sunday as well then
reckon so too.
Even when he gets back he'll need a few games to get up to match fitness. We probably won't have a 100% fit Torres until end Jan\early Feb. :(
horseflesh
23-12-2008, 20:34
reckon so too.
Even when he gets back he'll need a few games to get up to match fitness. We probably won't have a 100% fit Torres until end Jan\early Feb. :(
I wouldn't be surprised if he barely hits double figures of league games for the rest of the season. :(
Benitez will be terrified to rush him back (and rightly so) and with the business end of the Champions League to come, he'll be wrapped in cotton wool.
LouBarlow
24-12-2008, 03:15
Has Torres always had such a patchy injury career? He was fine before wasn't he?
Yes - which is why they completely re-analysed the way he trains to identify the cause.
Rafa seems to think its all the fault of the Spanish international side.
rustybin
24-12-2008, 08:34
This has made my morning - from BBC gossip column.......
'Real Madrid wanted to sign Jermaine Pennant from Liverpool but his wages demands were too high and he may now end up joining Wigan. (Daily Mail)'
Any idea what his wages actually are?
:lol: brillant.
Knowing Parry we are probably paying Pennant about £2 million a week.
Says he asked for £60k but was offered around £30k
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1101105/EXCLUSIVE-Real-mess--Greedy-Pennant-blows-dream-Madrid--hes-set-Wigan.html
lol how times have changed for madrid... Rumoured to be interested in pennant, zakora, even some rumours bout bloody mcgeady! They should have conserved some of that tower block money!
horseflesh
24-12-2008, 10:43
Sort of sums up Pennant
He sounds like the new Ashley Cole :oh-hum:
Has Torres always had such a patchy injury career? He was fine before wasn't he?
The thing I'd be worried about is recurring hamstring injuries; he could end up being one of those players who misses big chunks of every season because of it, and I presume that's a major worry for Liverpool too.
Grandmaster
24-12-2008, 10:46
To be fair if you read the article it also says that he wasn't keen on being a sub and wants first team football.
BBC reporting Torres could now be on the bench for Bolton :)
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2008/12/24/jermaine-pennant-set-for-real-madrid-move-liverpool-fc-latest-100252-22545019/
Echo seems to think the Madrid move is still on for £3m and also Arbeloa out for 2 weeks with an injury.
horseflesh
24-12-2008, 11:55
BBC reporting Torres could now be on the bench for Bolton :)
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2008/12/24/jermaine-pennant-set-for-real-madrid-move-liverpool-fc-latest-100252-22545019/
Echo seems to think the Madrid move is still on for £3m and also Arbeloa out for 2 weeks with an injury.
Yeah, local paper here (with a "Xmas heartache for Keane" angle) reporting that Torres might be back on Friday.
are you sure the small print didn't read
'Xmas heartache for Keane - benitez recovers and regains control of team selection"
Stevie G
25-12-2008, 09:36
Echo seems to think the Madrid move is still on for £3m.....
That'd be a fantastic move for Penant! Totally WTF for Real though! :lol: :doh:
Surely this Pennant to Madrid move would be one of the shocks of this transfer window ?
rustybin
25-12-2008, 11:55
Surely this Pennant to Madrid move would be one of the shocks of this transfer window ?
I would say one of the transfer shocks of all time.
A very average player who can't make the Liverpool side, signing for one of the biggest clubs (if not the biggest) in the world.
Very strange if it actually happens.
unrealnils
25-12-2008, 19:43
That'd be a fantastic move for Penant! Totally WTF for Real though! :lol: :doh:
but apprently hes trashed the move becuase they wont meet his pay demends. lmao :lol:
Papers saying Madrid have offered improved terms and the deal is set to happen now.
Papers reporting Heskey for £4m next month as well so look the Pennant bonus cash is going through us straight to the JJB.
In case anyone hasn't read the ManU thread, AdamBrunt will not be joining us here for the next month. Saying this for info, not to start a discussion about it - read the ManU thread if you wanna know why.
On other subjects, I see that we are not top anymore (unless WestBrom score three in the second half) so that makes a win this afternoon even more imperitive.
Good to see Pennant going - even if it is to real Madrid. How the hell will he get on there?
And as for Heskey - why?
We need a right midfielder. Not another striker :(
Reina, Carragher, Insua, Hyypia, Agger, Riera, Benayoun, Alonso, Gerrard, Kuyt, Keane.
Subs: Cavalieri, Ngog, El Zhar, Mascherano, Babel, Lucas, Darby.
Kuyt and Keane up front today looks like with Carragher filling in at RB like he did last time against Bolton for the injured Arbeloa - shame Torres couldn't quite make it though.
gazhowell
26-12-2008, 13:19
I know it's been forced by injuries, but it's nice to see another start for Insua, thought he had a great game against Arsenal.
BlueDwarf
26-12-2008, 13:28
Kuyt and Keane up front today seems the most logical pairing.
Bringing back Heskey? Yup, just what we need to win the league, another poor footballer.
TigaSefi
26-12-2008, 13:30
Dammit... gonna need to win for sure today.
Papers saying Madrid have offered improved terms and the deal is set to happen now.
:eek:
Im still a little shocked that this deal might go through.
Do the Liverpool fans think he has been treated unfairly or are you glad to see him move on ?
Gerrard with the cross to Rieira.
To be honest...
The goal had been coming...we're outpassing them for fun.
Most of the jooy seems to be coming down Carragher and Benayoun's wing...
Nice assist by Gerrard and great finish by Keane...
2-0 looking good.
3-0 Keane again nice assist by Benayoun...
3-0
Please Rafa, keep him on for his hatrick :clap:
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Has Keane outscored Berbatov since we bought him?
I know he's had a lot less time on the pitch...
Be interesting if he has, as Man U must create more than we do...and Berbatov is the better finisher.
I think so, Berbatov has 6 in all competitions I think this season, Keane has 7 including the two today
Berbatov may theoretically be the better finisher, but bizarrely he seems almost afraid to shoot these days.
BlueDwarf
26-12-2008, 15:38
Very good showing today. So much so, that even bringing on Ngog wont dampen spirits. ;)
Excellent showing today - probably our best at Anfield this season
Good 3 points with the other 2 winning today...
Shows what scoring first does for our confidence. And the players looked very confident with no sign of nerves.
Insua has done his left back claim no harm at all...and he deserves the spot on merit.
Now to sit back and enjoy the car wreck that is Arsenal against Villa...should be entertaining.
Arsenal lose today and hopefully Wenger will finally admit that they're out of it and stop saying daft things.
horseflesh
26-12-2008, 15:58
Always good to see Bolton get a thrashing :)
saltysam
26-12-2008, 17:30
Just got back from a couple of post match pints,got to say we were excellent today.Played at a high tempo from the first whistle and dominated from start to finish.everyone played well,Alonso was superb,Carragher offered some good attacking threat down his flank and in the end Bolton were lucky to escape with just 3 against them.great atmosphere in the ground as well. makes you think though how the hell we'd drawn the previous 3 home games.
Just got back from a couple of post match pints,got to say we were excellent today.Played at a high tempo from the first whistle and dominated from start to finish.everyone played well,Alonso was superb,Carragher offered some good attacking threat down his flank and in the end Bolton were lucky to escape with just 3 against them.great atmosphere in the ground as well. makes you think though how the hell we'd drawn the previous 3 home games.
I don't disagree with of the match analysis, although it was difficult to tell from my awful position. We set out to defend and that goes out of the window when you conceed. Once the second went in, I'm fairly sure our team were then saving themselves for Sunday.
However, apart from the sing song at the start, the game was mainly played in silence. I could hear what people in other stands were shouting.
saltysam
26-12-2008, 18:13
However, apart from the sing song at the start, the game was mainly played in silence. I could hear what people in other stands were shouting.you obviously aren't aware of the morgue like atmosphere at most anfield league games then,today was definitely livelier.Your fans were very quiet,heard a couple of cries of Wanderers but that was it,on the kop there were plenty of songs being sung,one for Alonso,Keane,and even one for Agger which is a rarity.
Now to sit back and enjoy the car wreck that is Arsenal against Villa...should be entertaining.
Arsenal lose today and hopefully Wenger will finally admit that they're out of it and stop saying daft things.
Well I was entertained...
How do you lose the lead with so little time to go...?
Be interesting to see what rants he comes out with now.
10 points clear of Arsenal isn't too bad.
saltysam
26-12-2008, 18:14
How do you lose the lead with so little time to go...?
Ask JAR ;)
you obviously aren't aware of the morgue like atmosphere at most anfield league games then,today was definitely livelier.Your fans were very quiet,heard a couple of cries of Wanderers but that was it,on the kop there were plenty of songs being sung,one for Alonso,Keane,and even one for Agger which is a rarity.
I'm not one for singing myself, however at one point ours were singing "no beer and no atmosphere". The no beer bit probably effected the noise.
Glen Johnson the latest name to be linked for £9m - he would finally give us that attacking full back option that we've badly lacked in recent times. My only concern is him defensively but I'm told he's improved greatly in that side of his game in the past 12 months.
The Liverpool team in full: Reina, Carragher, Insua, Agger, Hyypia, Mascherano, Lucas, Gerrard, Kuyt, Babel, Benayoun
Subs: Cavalieri, Keane, Riera, Alonso, Ngog, El Zhar, Skrtel.
Looks like Rafa has had a bit of a brain fart with that team :(
That is unbelievable! :(
Good to see Skrtel back though.
Stevie G
28-12-2008, 10:37
No game until Saturday, and he's unlikely to play a full team, but Keane on the bench? :shrug: He must be on his way out.
Yes, good to see Skrtel back.
saltysam
28-12-2008, 10:40
Alonso-superb on Friday-benched. Keane 2 goals on Friday and finally getting in the groove-benched. utterly bizarre,if we don't win there'll be questions asked :suspect:
cannot believe no start for keane. what has he got to do before he gets a game.
lucas starting over alonso. joke.
Its these sort of decisions that put Rafa under pressure for no apparent reason especially with the FA Cup on Saturday that he could have left players on the bench for instead.
Stevie G
28-12-2008, 10:58
Defintely. I'd much rather he put out his strongest side, get control of the game and then take a few off for the last 30. Four out of the six subs are attacking players.
cheeseypuffs
28-12-2008, 11:03
Best two players from the weekend dropped to the bench and the other goalscorer, Riera, is dropped as well :?: Fair enough Mascherano is good enough to warrant a return but Lucas isn't and Babel isn't reliable enough. If we win then that's what should be expected, but if we don't then it's Rafa's fault, simple as.
BlueDwarf
28-12-2008, 11:06
I can't believe we aren't starting with our strongest team, and having Keane start on the bench is a msssive slap in the face.
This is the line-up you start with in dead Champions League ties, not must-win Prem fixtures.
Kuyt already dropping deep - so we have 4-6-0. Actually, with Babel's posession already down to it's low standard, make it 4-5-0.
Didn't realize Newcastle were unbeaten at Sid James' Park under Kinnear!
cheeseypuffs
28-12-2008, 11:16
Why didn't Gerrard hit it with his left?
OK he did the second time.
Typical! Yet again we come up against a superkeeper!
That's three great saves. We're looking good though!
cheeseypuffs
28-12-2008, 11:22
How the hell was that not a goal :?:
Well, you can't actually argue with this team - they are doing the stuff.
But I hope these near misses wont cost us.
Liverpool could have been 6-0 up already :nuts:
euqiddis
28-12-2008, 11:28
bit shocked with the linup but playing some great stuff,
BlueDwarf
28-12-2008, 11:34
0-1. Gerrard. Of course.
euqiddis
28-12-2008, 11:34
Come Onnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
cheeseypuffs
28-12-2008, 11:34
Yesss, Gerrard! Is that the floodgates opening?
euqiddis
28-12-2008, 11:39
2-0 w00000000t
Stevie G
28-12-2008, 11:50
Bloody hell. This should have been dead and buried. Still confident of a win though.
cheeseypuffs
28-12-2008, 11:50
FFS, how the hell is this game still in the balance :shrug:
FFS Reds - should be 5-0 and now we'll be on the end of a 2nd half fight back now :mad:
Hope we don't regret those wasted chances. I could see that Newcastle goal coming a mile off.
euqiddis
28-12-2008, 11:53
calm down calm down im sure we will we win (he says)
Seen too many football games when this sort of thing happens - next thing will see Newcastle probably score straight after half time and we start to implode :suspect:
Think we got sloppy in last few minutes, the goal will just wake us up again.
Nothing from Newcastle this season has shown me they have the quality, to be honest.
EDIT: How glad am I we did not bother with Coloccini :)
BlueDwarf
28-12-2008, 12:13
:lol: great defending
cheeseypuffs
28-12-2008, 12:13
:lol: Comedy goal that. 4 or 5 defenders just seemed to stop.
rustybin
28-12-2008, 12:13
This is the worst I've seen a home team play this season. Should be 5-6 nil. Liverpool haven't even had to play particularly well.
cheeseypuffs
28-12-2008, 12:21
Hyypia finally remembers to get Masherano a Christmas card :doh:
euqiddis
28-12-2008, 12:23
were struggling here
Stevie G
28-12-2008, 12:29
were struggling here
Are you posting in the right thread?!
rustybin
28-12-2008, 12:29
So easy! Newcastle should be ashamed of themselves.
cheeseypuffs
28-12-2008, 12:29
Sweet. Now get Keane on to try and keep up his scoring streak.
Outstanding goal from Gerrard to seal top spot at the end of 2008 :clap:
euqiddis
28-12-2008, 12:30
stevie G does it, and he a forum member. whata pass by lucas
BlueDwarf
28-12-2008, 12:30
Composed finished.
euqiddis
28-12-2008, 12:32
Are you posting in the right thread?!
yup, 1st 10 mins in 2nd half, we were giving teh all away, they hit the bar , but now, it is as it should be ;)
BlueDwarf
28-12-2008, 12:33
Ngog on now, really rubbing it in to Keane.
Stevie G
28-12-2008, 12:34
Ah, ok! I must have had more faith in Newcastle's frailties than you! :thumbs:
cheeseypuffs
28-12-2008, 12:35
WTF is going on with Keane?
rustybin
28-12-2008, 12:36
Got to presume he'll be on his way. Very strange stuff going on behind the scenes.
G+H are still in financial difficulty and Liverpool are riding high without much of a contribution from Keane. They might see him as a fast £15mill.
EDIT: This game is getting funnier and funnier.
BlueDwarf
28-12-2008, 12:39
:lol: 1-5.
Also : Taylor = ****.
euqiddis
28-12-2008, 12:39
pen to liv, if only stevie was on
cheeseypuffs
28-12-2008, 12:39
Is it safe to give Keane a run out now?
euqiddis
28-12-2008, 12:40
get in, what a mauling and what a pen
cheeseypuffs
28-12-2008, 12:42
WTF? 5-1 up, better take off a striker for a defender :?:
Nice run out the lads can have a good New Years bash now.
Why are people wrorrying about Keane? We were cruising if you need to give young lads and players coming back from injury these are the games to bring them on.
Keane will be annoyed as he loves playing football, but he will know the score.
So much doom and gloom, heresay and conspiracy on this thread its unreal!
cheeseypuffs
28-12-2008, 13:08
Probably because there's been a huge amount of speculation about his future based msotly on his lack of goals. Now he's starting to find the net he's frozen out :?:
WTF? 5-1 up, better take off a striker for a defender :?:
Why not? Skrtel needs the playing time, best bring him on when the pressure is off.
I have no arguments with what Rafa did today.
euqiddis
28-12-2008, 13:11
^^^^ totally agree
Probably because there's been a huge amount of speculation about his future based msotly on his lack of goals. Now he's starting to find the net he's frozen out :?:
Frozen out???
Anyone who saw the Bolton game would have seen Keane pulling up at the end and rubbing his calfs like mad, looked crampy to me. He's played a lot of football, so maybe he was not 100%?
Or you could be right all the papers know best and he is being frozen out and sold in January. we will see.
I'm off to enjoy a beer and talk about how good we were today ;)
edit: come on Fulham
Fabulous from us today - could have hit 10 without any complaints. I see Chelsea are 1-0 down at in-form Fulham who technically have the longest unbeaten record in the Premier League as they lost a 3pm kickoff on the 1st of Nov and we lost the 5.30pm game on the 1st of Nov! :dork:
Come on Fulham!!!!!!!
Ha ha i love it!
Don't gloat yet......its early days.
cheeseypuffs
28-12-2008, 13:42
Why not? Skrtel needs the playing time, best bring him on when the pressure is off.I can see why Skrtel came on, but he could've brought him on for a defender instead of the only striker we had on the pitch. We were 5-1 up and switched to 4 central defenders, a fullback and a couple of defensive midfielders, is that a positive or negative move? As much as Skrtel needs playing time Keane could do with goals and he never got the chance :shrug:
Frozen out???He looked pretty cold to me ;)
Anyone who saw the Bolton game would have seen Keane pulling up at the end and rubbing his calfs like mad, looked crampy to me. He's played a lot of football, so maybe he was not 100%?If he wasn't fit enough to play 15-20 minutes he shouldn't have even been on the bench.
I can see why Skrtel came on, but he could've brought him on for a defender instead of the only striker we had on the pitch. We were 5-1 up and switched to 4 central defenders, a fullback and a couple of defensive midfielders, is that a positive or negative move? As much as Skrtel needs playing time Keane could do with goals and he never got the chance :shrug:
I just think on the back of a 5-1 away win its hard to criticise Rafa today.
BlueDwarf
28-12-2008, 14:22
I think when you splash £20M on a player, and use him in the way Rafa has, questions need to be asked.
Newcastle were an absolute shambles - we won't be getting an easy a game any time soon.
Fat Bloke
28-12-2008, 14:53
2-2 Fulham v Chelsea.
So Liverpool 3 points clear at the mo.
YESSSSSS
:clap:
Just finsihed in a draw. 3 points ahead! :clap:
cheeseypuffs
28-12-2008, 16:23
I just think on the back of a 5-1 away win its hard to criticise Rafa today.It's a good result, especially in light of the league table now, but you have to admit some decisions are confusing.
Anyway that's enough negativity for 2008, Happy New Year everyone :thumbs:
Well that is Rafa's way. But all the time we are top of the league I guess we just have to go along with him.
RobDickinson
28-12-2008, 19:01
Well that is Rafa's way. But all the time we are top of the league I guess we just have to go along with him.
Yeah, lets....
(at least this has shut a few people up for a bit...:D)
It's a good result, especially in light of the league table now, but you have to admit some decisions are confusing.
Anyway that's enough negativity for 2008, Happy New Year everyone :thumbs:
We won and we won convincingly so Rafa's tactics worked. I wasn't at all suprised or bothered by the subs used today. I think we were 4-1 up by the time Alonso came on. Keane wasn't needed.
I was surprised he didn't start though, I don't think he will be sold in January.
We are top of the league with a bit of a cushion and the past couple of games we have looked sharp (although the opponents were *****) so all is good so far. :thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:
saltysam
28-12-2008, 20:42
Must be a long time since the away team in a premier league fixture had stats after 21 minutes of shots 10 on target 6 :nuts: i thought we started to look a little ragged for 15 minutes 2nd half but once Alonso came on we got our passing game going again.sensational save by Given from Lucas at the end there.
Amazing that we punched in 5 just today and Man Utd have scored 9 away goals all season! :eek:
Might be worth looking at who United have had in those away fixtures though;)
Might be worth looking at who United have had in those away fixtures though;)
Mostly the same as us? Arsenal away, Man City away, Chelsea away, Everton away all spring to mind :)
Excellent result and good to see Rafa resting players...
Keane looked knackered at the end of the Bolton game and that was only 2 days ago.
He's probably assessed the team and tried to rest those who were leg weary.
I still can't get over the improvement of our passing...The stats are amazing...
Today = 87.3% and this is also resulting in increased possession.
Love it.
Mostly the same as us? Arsenal away, Man City away, Chelsea away, Everton away all spring to mind :)
United aways - Pompey, Liverpool, Chelsea, Blackburn, Everton, Arsenal, Villa, City, Spurs and the game against Stoke.
Liverpool aways - Sunderland, Villa, City, Everton, Chelsea, Spurs, Bolton, Blackburn, Arsenal, Newcastle.
I would say that even though the differences are small Liverpool have had the slightly easier away games. United have also played the same amount of aways as Liverpool despite having played 3 less games is it?
Obviously I am not claiming some FA conspiracy or anything of the sort, just the luck of the draw (or Sky schedule/World Championship tournament) BUT it does help soften the blow of you guys being on top at the moment:D Citing the amount of away games played, or who these games have been played against may seem a small detail but with the way the league is going at the minute small details could be the difference between champions and 2nd place.
Still, lots of football still to play and its never straightforward is it!
And we still have to go to Old Trafford too :(
But on the flip side, we have gone to Chelsea, Arsenal, Everton and Villa already who make up the rest of the top six.
And we still have to go to Old Trafford too :(
:lol:
I was going to try to bring this thread back onto it's normal keel and try find some negativity to post - No need now :p
cheeseypuffs
29-12-2008, 09:41
Even if man u win their games in hand they'd still be behind us, and with the way this season has gone so far there's no guarantee they'll get 9 points from three games!
Ferdy147
29-12-2008, 09:56
Gerrard arrested in assault probe
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/merseyside/7802932.stm
rustybin
29-12-2008, 10:20
Not like Gerrard.
It'll probably turn out to be nothing / Gerrard provoked into defending himself etc.
I guarantee any subsequent dismissal of charges won't get a fraction of the news attention.
Ferdy147
29-12-2008, 10:56
Yeah hopefully he hasn't done anything stupid....we really don't need any incidents like this hindering us!
d.boyd1uk
29-12-2008, 11:07
watched the game yesterday and was impressed with liverpool, if spurs cant win the league i want you lot to win it, without torres and keane you are still doing well. Gerrard is top dog and will be the key to you lot winning the league, he just reads the bame perfect.. saying that newcastle were ****
Just a small indication of how standards have dropped at the beeb:
"A 34-year-old man from Southport was taken to hospital with facial injuries, not thought to be life-threatening"
Pathetic.
BlueDwarf
29-12-2008, 11:25
Eh?
Gerrard was arrested in relation to an alleged assault.
What makes the part of the article you quoted "pathetic" or of low standards?
Get the blinkers off.
Yeah every assault story I read makes reference to whether the injuries are life threatening. Sigh.
Chances are some bloke gets belted at a club, knows Gerard is there. Drops his name into his statement, then sells his story to The Sun.
Unfortunately :D
horseflesh
29-12-2008, 13:40
Yeah every assault story I read makes reference to whether the injuries are life threatening. Sigh.
The bloke should count himself lucky; if it had been Carragher then no doubt the injuries would be life threatening.
Well, Carragher's mates..... :lol:
Adam Thirnis
29-12-2008, 15:46
He couldn't have done it he was asleep in his bed at the time and all his mates kept coming into his bedroom to check on him as you do.
The bloke should count himself lucky; if it had been Carragher then no doubt the injuries would be life threatening.
Well, Carragher's mates..... :lol:
Indeed. :lol:
Gerrard wasn't even questioned till 2pm today - I'd imagine some bitter blue down at Southport CID is probably deliberately slowing things up so that they have to keep him overnight :suspect:
He couldn't have done it he was asleep in his bed at the time and all his mates kept coming into his bedroom to check on him as you do.
That's out of order :nono:
On another note, as our favourite man isn't here, I'm gonna throw a Bruntism into the mix.
The BBC has obviously been infiltrated by the upper echelons of Manu and Chelsea, and this is a plant designed to scupper our chances.
In all seriousness for a second though, the very fact that he has been in custody since the early hours this morning, one has to assume that this is a rather serious situation, and a serious assault.
The consequences, both for Gerrard and our title bid could be immense. Of course, IF he is guilty of anything then that should be the least of our worries, and our sympathy should be with the victim, but as we don't know the full facts yet, then we should reserve judgement.
Why no bail though? :suspect:
LouBarlow
29-12-2008, 16:57
There are so many rumours surrounding Gerrard/his wife and their social circles, that something like this was sure to come up. He doesn't seem the type though, and it is interesting that the guys arrested at the event, didn't include Gerrard, from what I can make out...looks like he was arrested afterwards?
horseflesh
29-12-2008, 16:59
That's out of order :nono:
On another note, as our favourite man isn't here, I'm gonna throw a Bruntism into the mix.
The BBC has obviously been infiltrated by the upper echelons of Manu and Chelsea, and this is a plant designed to scupper our chances.
In all seriousness for a second though, the very fact that he has been in custody since the early hours this morning, one has to assume that this is a rather serious situation, and a serious assault.
The consequences, both for Gerrard and our title bid could be immense. Of course, IF he is guilty of anything then that should be the least of our worries, and our sympathy should be with the victim, but as we don't know the full facts yet, then we should reserve judgement.
Why no bail though? :suspect:
I really do hope it's some opportunist on the lookout for a payday from one of the tabloids, and that it just blows over. I have no problem with the book being thrown at a toerag like Barton, but Gerrard really doesn't come across as a nasty bloke.
Of course if Gerrard is guilty of something serious he deserves everything he gets.
There are so many rumours surrounding Gerrard/his wife and their social circles, that something like this was sure to come up. He doesn't seem the type though, and it is interesting that the guys arrested at the event, didn't include Gerrard, from what I can make out...looks like he was arrested afterwards?
I noticed that. His age was different to those arrested.
That's out of order :nono:
On another note, as our favourite man isn't here, I'm gonna throw a Bruntism into the mix.
The BBC has obviously been infiltrated by the upper echelons of Manu and Chelsea, and this is a plant designed to scupper our chances.
In all seriousness for a second though, the very fact that he has been in custody since the early hours this morning, one has to assume that this is a rather serious situation, and a serious assault.
The consequences, both for Gerrard and our title bid could be immense. Of course, IF he is guilty of anything then that should be the least of our worries, and our sympathy should be with the victim, but as we don't know the full facts yet, then we should reserve judgement.
Why no bail though? :suspect:
it's not particularly suspicious for him to be kept in
it's the first monday after xmas, there will be a backlog, and several cases will be more pressing than this one, which basically means gerrard has to wait to be processed/interviewed.
Just hope he's in a station full of everton supporters :)
it should be remembered, he's guilty of nothing at the moment.
johnson293
29-12-2008, 22:56
BREAKING NEWS: CCTV footage of the incident has just been released...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hhz-SPjrEaQ
:nono:
unrealnils
30-12-2008, 00:10
lol
unrealnils
30-12-2008, 07:00
Btw gotta give credit were credit is due never thought you'd still be top on jan the 1st.
Kudos
TigaSefi
30-12-2008, 07:23
What an absolute knob if the assault and fray charges are convicted. The Police must have something if it went that far. The whole thing totally wrecks our momentum I bet but let see what is said in the next few days. The newspaper will be totally lapping this up!
He has been charged with assault and affray.
Agreed with the above post.
He's out on bail
Court date set for the 23rd of January.
The press will slaughter him over this. He will probably get community service and a fine but he will get questions over it for months now especially if he gets picked for the next England game (if he is available to play).
He should know better than to get himself in a situation like that.
I wonder if he will be allowed to stay captain if he is found guilty?
This article in the Times gives a bit of info on what happened (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article5415935.ece).
Lou mentioned earlier about "rumours" - none of which I had heard before. But The Mail online this morning publishes them, and it makes disturbing reading.
Lou mentioned earlier about "rumours" - none of which I had heard before. But The Mail online this morning publishes them, and it makes disturbing reading.
That Mail article is pretty pathetic, it's just printing rubbish and atributing it to Gerrard.
The press loves to break down a "squeaky clean" image anyway they can.
rustybin
30-12-2008, 10:30
That Mail article is pretty pathetic, it's just printing rubbish and atributing it to Gerrard.
The press loves to break down a "squeaky clean" image anyway they can.
They do, but it appears Gerrard has made it pretty easy for them in this case.
But that Daily Mail article suggests Gerrard did very little wrong,
QUOTE
“Marcus pushed Gerrard in the chest and, almost instinctively, Gerrard hit back with his elbow in Marcus’s mouth.
“Gerrard stepped back and walked away but his mates piled on top of Marcus and one of them smashed a beer bottle over his head."
END QUOTE
If that's the case, Gerrard should get a slap on the wrist and his mates will be in the ****.
cheeseypuffs
30-12-2008, 10:34
If that's true then Gerrard hasn't really done much but was a bit foolish to say the least! You see far worse than a retaliatory elbow every weekend around the country and I know plenty of people that have done worse and suffered nothing more than a night in the cells, if at all. His mates may be in more trouble though.
johnson293
30-12-2008, 10:49
They do, but it appears Gerrard has made it pretty easy for them in this case.
But that Daily Mail article suggests Gerrard did very little wrong,
QUOTE
“Marcus pushed Gerrard in the chest and, almost instinctively, Gerrard hit back with his elbow in Marcus’s mouth.
“Gerrard stepped back and walked away but his mates piled on top of Marcus and one of them smashed a beer bottle over his head."
END QUOTE
If that's the case, Gerrard should get a slap on the wrist and his mates will be in the ****.
When quoting The Daily Mail report (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1102512/England-football-star-Steven-Gerrard-faces-years-jail-charge-assaulted-DJ-bar-brawl.html), you missed out the first important bit (bold)....
One witness told The Sun: “Marcus pushed Gerrard in the chest and, almost instinctively, Gerrard hit back with his elbow in Marcus’s mouth.
“Gerrard stepped back and walked away but his mates piled on top of Marcus and one of them smashed a beer bottle over his head. The whole thing lasted less than 10 seconds.
Anyway, 5 years is probably an exaggeration, after all the precedent has been set (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7409943.stm), hasn't it? :suspect:
rustybin
30-12-2008, 11:02
I thought the nature of the quote would have made it obvious it was an EW account, sorry!
When you've got the Daily Mail quoting the Sun quoting an unnamed Eye-Witness, you should take it with a pinch of salt. BUT, the fact it doesn't try to heavily implicate Gerrard suggests it could be true.
If they were going to make something up completely, surely it would be to make Gerrard out to be as bad as possible.
In fact, the DM reporter writes,
"At that point the footballer allegedly pushed past Mr McGee, catching him with an elbow."
Even less of a story if that's the case.
He has been charged with assault and affray.
He might get a sentence for that charge, although 1st offence should see him off.
They might decide to make an example out of him.
He'll just get a warning going by the evidence and probably fined by the club as well.
This is a bit of an odd peice in the Mirror (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2008/12/30/steven-gerrard-arrest-brawl-claim-is-like-poison-to-model-pro-115875-21004312/)
What an absolute knob if the assault and fray charges are convicted. The Police must have something if it went that far. The whole thing totally wrecks our momentum I bet but let see what is said in the next few days. The newspaper will be totally lapping this up!
ffs i thought you left this thread... ridiculous comments. :cuckoo: or did i get the wrong end of the stick and thats you being funny? if not just let me get up on this soapbox a minute...
lets refrain from calling him an 'absolute knob' eh... our captain, the clubs heartbeat should never be referred to as an absolute knob before knowing the facts, unless you support team other than liverpool.
'the police must have something in it if it went that far'... as far as what exactly??? arrests and getting put in a cell?! big deal- pushing someone over on to their arse can get you lifted by the polis- you cant jump to conclusions! there were several arrests and the guy that was injured was in the hoz and they probably had to wait for him to get out, its understandable why all of them were in for hours, not to mention the probable backlog from arrests and paperwork the police had piled up from the xmas period. interviews/statements/lawyers etc etc all take time. why assume the worst?!
'The whole thing totally wrecks our momentum I bet' oh no, the drama! doom doom doom a tell thee- put that anti-liverpool crystal ball away please... well atleast you will have another crutch other than rotation to greet about if we get knocked off the top of the table.
'The newspaper will be totally lapping this up!' ehh... yes they are reporting it as newspapers do. and they have for the most part been really decent about it, saying he has an impeccable past record and stating the fact that he has been charged, nearly all i have read have put stevie in a positive light.
this whole incident is just a storm in a bloody espresso cup. will be a fine at worst- has to be.
the guy is 28 years old ffs... he is allowed to go out once and a while, he was never going to feature against PNE and the club was one of the few training on xmas day i think (or was it xmas eve) and the team were given 2 days off after the newcastle game so fair play to him goin out with his mates. ok so he shouldnt have retaliated but think about how much abuse he must take... not just him but any high profile player. its totally understandable that once in a while a player cracks and it gets in the media.
why not enjoy being top just now, lets try not to think about the gerrard/police thing and wait for the outcome or for a statement from him.
to those none lfc fans who have said some positive things on the whole matter.. decent of you :thumbs:
I don't understand why people are getting wound up about an alleged incident...
I'll wait until facts are out in the open before I judge him...
What I am happy about is the fact that despite all the people writing us off, we're still top and put in a confident performance over xmas and got a good 6 points scoring 8 goals in the process.
We have our injured players coming back and the squad will be stronger as a result.
TigaSefi
30-12-2008, 13:55
Only left cos of someone's posts were winding me up chronic.
Beside what I posted was what I thought at the time. Granted that he may have actually had little to no part in it from what I have read. If that is the case, then he will be getting a slapped wrist/fine at the most according to the same sources. And because of this I will accept that it should have little bearing on the pitch.
I may dip in and out of this thread but not as frequently as before. If that upsets you... so be it.
^ but you only dipped back in to have a pop at Gerrard. Why not dip back in after the 5-1 away win?
Is it really worth arguing about?
yeah! you wanna fight about it? ;)
Back off, or swanny and the boys will get Gerrard and Carra's mates to beat you up ;)
There is no chance Pool winning the league without a totally focused Gerrard. I don't know another team who depend on one player as much as Liverpool depend on Gerrard.
I think this could be much like Arsenal last year when Eduardo broke his leg and Arsenal fell to pieces. No link between the importance of Eduardo to Arsenal, but just something out of the blue which can derail momentum.
A pity as I would have liked Pool to list the title to shake things up again.
RobDickinson
30-12-2008, 19:20
DOOM GLOOM!!!!
Gerrard will get nothing more than a slap on the wrist for that, he was in fact assaulted first by the sounds of it and only defended himself.
And Liverpool are way more than SG, we've been without him before and been fine.
BlueDwarf
30-12-2008, 19:36
And Liverpool are way more than SG, we've been without him before and been fine.
This Liverpool side aren't way more than Gerrard though. Take him out, and you have a pretty mediocre lot.
We haven't been "fine" for almost twenty years.
ffs i thought you left this thread... ridiculous comments. :cuckoo: or did i get the wrong end of the stick and thats you being funny? if not just let me get up on this soapbox a minute...
Second half of the very first line "if the assault and fray charges are convicted!".
If anyone gets a conviction for throwing the teddy out of the pram (or assault, as the case may be) over the music being played at a party...what a cretin.
horseflesh
30-12-2008, 19:39
By the sounds of things it will hopefully be a storm in a teacup, blown out of proportion as usual.
I'd say there's practically no chance of a custodial sentence, a slap on the wrist/fine is more likely.
Why should he be made an example of? Surely everyone is treated the same in the eyes of the law, regardless of their profession. It's not up to the judiciary to make an example of Steven Gerrard, if anyone ultimately does so it will be Liverpool FC, and unless things turn out very nasty I can see them doing nothing but publically backing the club captain.
Sorry to throw a fly in the ointment though Rob, I agree with Soprano; Gerrard is utterly vital to Liverpool's success. He is the driving force of the team and club. Maybe Liverpool have been "fine" without him for spells but "fine" won't be good enough. And how many league titles did "fine" win Liverpool?
RobDickinson
30-12-2008, 19:46
Well he missed a number of the 2005 Champions league matches and we managed.
Sure I'd rather have him in the team than not, he is the driving force but its not like we dont have other players if he's out for a match or two, not that this will cause that.
I hear the opposition already have their chants (to the tune of que sera sera) ready :
Steven Gerrard Gerrard
He Knocks over kids in cars
He knocks out DJs in bars
Steven Gerrard, Gerrard.
johnson293
31-12-2008, 11:29
http://www.freestevengerrard.com/
:nuts: :cuckoo:
.
Sure I'd rather have him in the team than not, he is the diving force
I'd agree with that!!
TigaSefi
31-12-2008, 12:56
http://www.freestevengerrard.com/
:nuts: :cuckoo:
I had a rum ol' chuckle at the messages on that page.
hmmmm.
Heskey out of Wigan's FA Cup game but will be back for their league game :suspect:
Interesting news this morning in The Telegraph that West Ham could be threatened with administration. It would be so good to see that happen - justice after the Tevez affair.
It's never good to see any football club go into administration, regardless of any real or perceived injustices of the past.
Interesting news this morning in The Telegraph that West Ham could be threatened with administration. It would be so good to see that happen - justice after the Tevez affair.
Bit callous isn't it?
Well it is *******, you expect nonsense like that from him
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N162712090102-1319.htm
Torres and Gerrard both likely to play some part tomorrow which is good news.
Bit callous isn't it?
Well, if they go into administration they will get the points deduction they should have had in the first place, so in my opinion no.
Could mean the club could go bust which is not good at all.
campdave
02-01-2009, 17:26
Whilst I don't want to see football clubs go out of business, too many clubs over extend themselves these days, and some in the end are going to reap what they so. I have limited sympathy when they do.
The Reds XI in full is: Cavalieri, Insua, Carragher, Hyypia, Agger, Babel, Riera, Alonso, Mascherano, Gerrard, Keane. Subs: Reina, Torres, Aurelio, Lucas, Ngog, El Zhar, Skrtel.
Looks like he realised its a potential banana skin ;)
Decent team that...
Hope we play some nice attractive stuff...
Would like to have seen El Zhar have a start but can't really moan at that team. Babel on the right hand side as well, so hopefully we can see if him getting to the byline...
cheeseypuffs
03-01-2009, 16:08
Good side that but would've liked to see Nemeth on the bench ahead of Ngog, is he still coming back from injury?
Fat Bloke
03-01-2009, 16:50
Why the booing today for Gerrard? Or is it a stupid thing to do with the arrest?
Great goal by Riera
rustybin
03-01-2009, 16:51
Great goal
Fat Bloke
03-01-2009, 17:14
How is it only 0-1?
Big change needed by Keane 2nd half.
Matt.Wild
03-01-2009, 17:15
Some poor finishing. I dunnae understand how we can score 5 goals one game and 1 the next against some a 2nd rate team?
cheeseypuffs
03-01-2009, 17:15
Good strike from Riera, I think Keanes lost his shooting boots again though ;) Could be 2 or 3 up, so hope we don't pay for the profligacy although to be fair to Preston, they look better than Newcastle did last week!
How is it only 0-1?
Big change needed by Keane 2nd half.
Yeah, change him for Torres ;)
d.boyd1uk
03-01-2009, 17:18
can see this game being 5-0 tbh, liverpool are dominant and its only time before keane scores.
saltysam
03-01-2009, 17:23
making hard work of this,should be out of sight already.Keane's finishing has been woeful.
Liverpool looked like they were trying to walk the ball into the net just before half time. Cracking goal that by Reira.
Keane is getting worse as this game has gone on.
We should 3 up at least by now.
rustybin
03-01-2009, 17:49
Not a massive amount wrong with that - let off for Pool.
Not a massive amount wrong with that - let off for Pool.
Apart from the fact the Preston player was holding him down you mean, a good spot and the right decision by the linesman.
Not a massive amount wrong with that - let off for Pool.
Showing your usual knowledge of football there I see :lol:
rustybin
03-01-2009, 17:53
Apart from the fact the Preston player was holding him down you mean, a good spot and the right decision by the linesman.
It was a foul but no worse than a lot of stuff which goes on.
Good spot though.
rustybin
03-01-2009, 17:54
Showing your usual knowledge of football there I see :lol:
He was held down and it should defo have not been a goal but you've seen them given a number of times.
It was a foul but no worse than a lot of stuff which goes on.
Good spot though.
So how was it a let off for Liverpool then?
rustybin
03-01-2009, 17:56
So how was it a let off for Liverpool then?
Because were it not for a keen eyed linesman they'd be fighting to win a game they've dominated.
So a bit of a let off.
AND having seen it a few more times, it was a clear foul so I'll retract my 'not a lot wrong with that' comment:)
Matt.Wild
03-01-2009, 18:00
A let off is an incorrectly flagged offside. A blatent foul is just that :lol:
Because were it not for a keen eyed linesman they'd be fighting to win a game they've dominated.
So a bit of a let off.
That's not a let off, if it had been a legitmate goal which was disallowed it would have been a let off.
rustybin
03-01-2009, 18:05
That's not a let off, if it had been a legitmate goal which was disallowed it would have been a let off.
Sorry. Poor choice of words by me. I really wasn't having a go.
Matt.Wild
03-01-2009, 18:15
What an awful 2nd half!
rustybin
03-01-2009, 18:18
Good touch! Would Gerrard have done that at 0-0?
Credit to Preston as they gave it a really good go in the second half which wouldn't have been possible if Liverpool has put away more of their chances in the first half.
TigaSefi
03-01-2009, 18:19
D'ya think Keane would have missed that ? :thinking:
cheeseypuffs
03-01-2009, 18:25
Sorry. Poor choice of words by me. I really wasn't having a go.Fair do's rusty, FWIW I think I know what you meant - the officials could easily have missed the foul as they were not near the ball, was a stupid foul to give away and I hope his manager gives him some stick for it rather than have a go at the linesman.
I think that second half showed up just how much better Xabi is at controlling the midfield than Lucas, I hope he's not too badly injured :(
saltysam
03-01-2009, 18:50
Babel was appalling tonight,sorry to say.
^ he was indeed.
Any news on Alonso?
"Unfortunately Xabi has had seven stitches in his instep," he said after the game.
"We do not know the full extent of the injury, apart from the fact he will be very sore tonight.
"Hopefully there will be no damage but we won't know for the next 24 or 48 hours."
Nothing major hopefully.
Cheers.
Another good performance from Alonso tonight.
Indeed. Just how important he is was demonstrated by the 2nd half performance
Babel was appalling tonight,sorry to say.
One of Preston's best players I thought :oh-hum: :brickwall
bruce-leroy
04-01-2009, 00:45
D'ya think Keane would have missed that ? :thinking:
He would have tried to backheel it in, slipped, and somehow scoop it over the bar.
More reports that Glen Johnson will move this week to us for £9m - I'd be happier with our FB options with him, Arbeloa, Insua and Aurelio as our full back options. Hopefully Dossena will compete his loan or permanent deal back to Italy shortly as well!
I think £9m could be better spent elsewhere on the pitch. With a back four of Carra - Agger - Skrtel - Insua would be rock solid with Arbeloa and Aurielo as cover we should be OK.
Right midfield is looking a bit lacking. Everyone always goes on about Babel being more suited to the right (I am pretty sure Beglin went on about it at the start of the game yesterday as well) but he was rubbish out there to the point where he swapped with Reira in the second half.
And as silly as it seems with the strike force we have we still need a striker.
I am unsure about the RB situation. I agree that really we can spend £9M more productively elsewhere.
We only have Reira as a recognised winger and if he gets injured we are in trouble. Babel needs some intensive training. I reckon him/Benyoun/Ngog are about the same level which is "squad level"
We certainly need another striker who can score.
I think £9m could be better spent elsewhere on the pitch. With a back four of Carra - Agger - Skrtel - Insua would be rock solid with Arbeloa and Aurielo as cover we should be OK
Problem is Carragher can get isolated and give away FKs at times from right back - if you get Johnson in there, then we get more pace from right back plus a better attacking option to support Kuyt/Benayoun from deep.
Got nothing against Glen Johnson...
We've been moaning about our full backs and to be honest, he's pretty good at what he does...
And he's genuinely quick as well, which means he can overlap kuyt and get behind opposition defences...
£9m is a bit steep, but he's English and will no doubt be propelled into the national team on the back of it...
LouBarlow
04-01-2009, 12:30
Glen Johnson - good at attacking. Not so hot at defending...which is a problem when you play in defence.
Once he gets a decent coach his game will improve ;)
Home vs the bitters in the next round of the cup. Nice.
LouBarlow
04-01-2009, 14:46
Once he gets a decent coach his game will improve ;)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v480/ILoveMan/2hwmws6.gif
Never get bored of that :)
saltysam
04-01-2009, 15:36
Wow 2 Home Derbies inside a week :eek:
BlueDwarf
04-01-2009, 16:21
Good stuff overall last night. Impressed with Preston's fitness - really thought they would tire after an hour. Gerrard seemed to be bright too - hope this stays the case with the legal distractions continuing.
Keane seems to have gone back a few games with his finishing, and Babel was down to his usual sub-standard. I don't know how many more stinkers he is going to have before Rafa decides to replace him with an actual footballer.
Once he [Johnson] gets a decent coach his game will improve ;)
Trouble with Johnson is that he's not really good enough an attacker to play right-midfield, nor is he that great a defender to play right-back.
Rafa's attempted rebuilding job didn't work too well with Pennant - another hyped englishman who failed to deliver at a title-chasing side. Hope it's 2nd time lucky.
Wow 2 Home Derbies inside a week :eek:
Who has first pick on these matches, ITV or Sentanta ?
Who has first pick on these matches, ITV or Sentanta ?
Problem we will have is the designated kick off times. We cant play Sunday or Monday as we have Wigan midweek.
The Police wont allow us to play the 5pm game on a Saturday, and same for Friday game I would imagine.
So they will need to get a 12pm Saturday game going I reckon.
Think its ITV 1st pick.
You are playing Everton in the league on a Monday evening so a Friday kick off might be possible if it is Sentanta showing it.
saltysam
04-01-2009, 18:00
You are playing Everton in the league on a Monday evening so a Friday kick off might be possible if it is Sentanta showing it. Liverpool will be against that,as it's the date for Gerrard's court appearance :nuts:
I thought Setanta will have first pick?
Whatever, I am gutted as I have now ditched Setanta and we are on twice, possibly three times, this month :(
Not going to allow myself to be tempted to go back though.
Not going to allow myself to be tempted to go back though.
In that case I will not post this link here -
Setanta Sports (http://www.thedvdforums.com/affiliatelink.php?localaffiliateid=73)
I thought Setanta will have first pick?
Whatever, I am gutted as I have now ditched Setanta and we are on twice, possibly three times, this month :(
Not going to allow myself to be tempted to go back though.
A worthy excuse to go to the pub...
In that case I will not post this link here -
Setanta Sports (http://www.thedvdforums.com/affiliatelink.php?localaffiliateid=73)
:lol:
You've just cost me £22 with your postings in the HMV sale (http://www.thedvdforums.com/affiliatelink.php?localaffiliateid=10) thread so go away. ;)
Yeah, Deron - the local is only two minutes walk away.
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