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Brozyniak
16-12-2008, 13:16
Chapter 3 ends, and it seems that we are back at square one.
A deliberate ploy, I would imagine to reduce the scale of game, it may work for a better chapter 4.
So is Sylar really dead. Of course nobody checks to finish him off.
Peter gets his ability back but not Hiro.
Really was a mess. No point in watching it any more. See you all in the Season 4 threads . . . .
Neil Smalley
16-12-2008, 13:38
Giant, Star Trek Sized reset button..
President Worf!
Thanks, I recognised his name in the credits but didn't recall seeing him in the episode. Did Peter get all his powers back or just the ability to fly? Not that i really care as i'm as confused as the rest of you lot.
So is Sylar really dead. Of course nobody checks to finish him off.
My understanding is that Sylar is never really dead, but like Claire, he won't come around unless someone pulls the object out of the back of his head.
Did Peter get all his powers back or just the ability to fly? Not that i really care as i'm as confused as the rest of you lot.
I think the ability Peter got was his original power (ie absorbing the powers of others). The reason he flew was because he was with Nathan.
This episode does seem to have addressed a lot of the concerns people were expressing. Huge body count, check. Peter and Hiro's powers greatly reduced, check. Sylar put out of action (if only temporarily), check.
Nathan looks to be setting up a new organisation to control the heroes, taking his father's place. I suppose you could read it as a judgment on the state of individual liberties in the US at the moment, but we all know Heroes isn't that deep. :D
scoobyood
16-12-2008, 17:41
What a load of messy *****... the ONLY redeeming feature this episode had was that Ando got a cool power.
- Why didn't clare's mum just leave the building in the 20 minutes she was waiting in that room. And why did she wander around doing nothing while looking for Sylar? She could have burnt him to a crisp and then stomped his ashes apart.
- Utterly awful dialogue from start to finish... even more than usual.
- They made no attempt to make sure Sylar is kept dead. Anyone with any sense would have cut off his head and let his body burn. Though that might be a bit much for prime time TV :D
- Sylar whining and drivelling on about something... then crying when he found out Angela was evil... "Oh noes! She is??"
- How the hell did Surresh suddenly get cured by the giant vat of pink goo? Did miss something?
- Why didn't the pink goo remove the powers from the fire throwing guy?
- Why is Nathan suddenly anti mutant? Why did he beat up peter? Why didn't he fly out of the room himself? Does he like burning? Why hasn't he mentioned his kids? Have they got powers? Are they going to be locked up in his magical mutant jail which is some how going to be impervious to time/space/nuclear bombs/the earth splitting in two/whatever..
- What happened with that pesky "earth splitting in two" thing?? Is that not happening now? Did they just not give a dam about pulling an explanation for how that might happen out of their ass?
- Now we know ando's power supes up other powers, he was making hero a 'super' time/space freeze/travel person earlier in the season, not attacking him. So how exactly can Hiro use his power a thousand times more than he was before? Are things just a lot more still than they were before?
- How did Daphne run backwards 16 years into the past.. and back again? Where did she run? Which direction would that be?
- What exactly did HRG think he was going to do with a pistol against a tele-kinetic super mutant who can do whatever the hell he wants? Then again he does seem to survive week on week without much trouble.
- What were those two expendable henchmen mutants doing and why did they suddenly side with peter to smash up a lab... then take forever over it.. when they could have done it in several seconds.
... I actually could go on for ages but I'm starting to bore myself now. So, basically...What the hell is going on?.. and why should we give a ****?...on every level.
What a load of messy *****... the ONLY redeeming feature this episode had was that Ando got a cool power.
- Why didn't clare's mum just leave the building in the 20 minutes she was waiting in that room. And why did she wander around doing nothing while looking for Sylar? She could have burnt him to a crisp and then stomped his ashes apart.
- Utterly awful dialogue from start to finish... even more than usual.
- They made no attempt to make sure Sylar is kept dead. Anyone with any sense would have cut off his head and let his body burn. Though that might be a bit much for prime time TV :D
- Sylar whining and drivelling on about something... then crying when he found out Angela was evil... "Oh noes! She is??"
- How the hell did Surresh suddenly get cured by the giant vat of pink goo? Did miss something?
- Why didn't the pink goo remove the powers from the fire throwing guy?
- Why is Nathan suddenly anti mutant? Why did he beat up peter? Why didn't he fly out of the room himself? Does he like burning? Why hasn't he mentioned his kids? Have they got powers? Are they going to be locked up in his magical mutant jail which is some how going to be impervious to time/space/nuclear bombs/the earth splitting in two/whatever..
- What happened with that pesky "earth splitting in two" thing?? Is that not happening now? Did they just not give a dam about pulling an explanation for how that might happen out of their ass?
- Now we know ando's power supes up other powers, he was making hero a 'super' time/space freeze/travel person earlier in the season, not attacking him. So how exactly can Hiro use his power a thousand times more than he was before? Are things just a lot more still than they were before?
- How did Daphne run backwards 16 years into the past.. and back again? Where did she run? Which direction would that be?
- What exactly did HRG think he was going to do with a pistol against a tele-kinetic super mutant who can do whatever the hell he wants? Then again he does seem to survive week on week without much trouble.
- What were those two expendable henchmen mutants doing and why did they suddenly side with peter to smash up a lab... then take forever over it.. when they could have done it in several seconds.
... I actually could go on for ages but I'm starting to bore myself now. So, basically...What the hell is going on?.. and why should we give a ****?...on every level.
But apart from that....
cracking episode
:thumbs:
What a load of messy *****... the ONLY redeeming feature this episode had was that Ando got a cool power.
That was the one bit of the episode I liked, other it allowing Daphne to perform time travel in both directions. The whole show would work much better if powers had to be used in tandem and Peter only being able to mimic others powers in their presence.
Why did Nathan need to meet Worf on the side of the road? You'd think a senator going to the White House would arouse less suspicions.
Are there new writers for the next half of the season?
Ragnarak
16-12-2008, 19:06
So many plots holes and ridiculous explanations.
Rather than leave her to die when did no one tranquilise/knock out/whatever Meredith?
My biggest problem though has been Nathan's change(s) of heart. Something BIG should have happened to cause him to change his mind but instead the only thing of note was him speaking to the girls that the Haitian's brother was holding captive. From that brief dialogue are we meant to think that suddenly Nathan can see how much good powers can do in the world (and then 3 months later completely change his mind?).
Xenomorph
16-12-2008, 19:40
Complete nonsense but as an attempt to fix things ready for 4 it's promising:
* All overpowered heroes nerfed or dead.
* Ando's new power that promotes cooperation... and I guess Peter's power back the way it was which does the same thing.
* President Worf
Only thing they should of done was kill Suresh. He is technically a murderer right? Don't see how he can go back to being our "guide" if you like... after all that.
Now we need the following:
* Less focus on Claire, and Mohinder... at least for now.
* More cool but not over the top powers.
* A plot that doesn't involve seeing into the future.
* A sensible well though out story where the characters don't behave like idiots.
Good enough though, will be missed.
scooby snacks
16-12-2008, 20:16
How come there was only 13 eps? I understand season 2 was cut to 11 due to the writers strike, but season 1 was 23 eps:thinking:
I too think this ep and most of the season have been a huge mess.
One thing that did make me laugh was the way the super soldier marine got whacked :)
How come there was only 13 eps? I understand season 2 was cut to 11 due to the writers strike, but season 1 was 23 eps:thinking:
It wasn't the end of the season, it was the end of the volume. There will be 12 episodes in volume four, and that will begin February 2nd. :thumbs:
What a load of tosh...im out.
locutus_uk
16-12-2008, 20:52
Why did HRG not use the gun to pistol whip Ms Firestarter and knock her out?
Why did Nathan not fly over the flames?
Why did I even bother watching?
That was the one bit of the episode I liked, other it allowing Daphne to perform time travel in both directions. The whole show would work much better if powers had to be used in tandem and Peter only being able to mimic others powers in their presence.I can just about tolerate the going back in time bit by running faster than light somehow... but instantly returning 16 years later? You can't run slower!
Best bit: Hiro's reaction to being called Pikachu :lol:
Professor Abronsius
16-12-2008, 21:04
Shouted 'WOOHOO!' when Peter stabbed himself!!! About time... :lol:
Suppose he will be back to where he was before long ability wise. Just has to do a fly-by near everyone with an ability. And what happened to the catalyst thingamie... ?
How is Hiro going to get his ability back though... ? Did they keep a shot for him. :D
Just like i am with Smallville, i seem to be in the minority as i am really enjoying this.
Cheers. :)
magneticman
16-12-2008, 21:12
What a load of tosh...im out.
I think so too
although I cannot guarantee that a lack of quality sci-fi programming will lead me back to this crapfest lol.
scooby snacks
16-12-2008, 21:21
It wasn't the end of the season, it was the end of the volume. There will be 12 episodes in volume four, and that will begin February 2nd. :thumbs:
:thumbs:Oh cool, cheers.
The plot has got convoluted at times and there have been some 'wtf' moments. Still enjoyed season 3, even though it has been definately the weakest.
Why did HRG not use the gun to pistol whip Ms Firestarter and knock her out?
Why did Nathan not fly over the flames?
Why did I even bother watching?
Maybe her ability is like Teds, i.e. Shooting her, knocking her out etc could just make her explode sooner rather than stop her. Or maybe Her ability isn't like Teds at all but HRG couldnt take that risk.
Shouted 'WOOHOO!' when Peter stabbed himself!!! About time... :lol:
Suppose he will be back to where he was before long ability wise. Just has to do a fly-by near everyone with an ability. And what happened to the catalyst thingamie... ?
How is Hiro going to get his ability back though... ? Did they keep a shot for him. :D
Just like i am with Smallville, i seem to be in the minority as i am really enjoying this.
Cheers. :)
We still don't know that Peter has his full ability back yet, it may be similar to how it was before but requiring more concious effort or some other similar inhibitor. It could even be closer to how his ability started e.g. requiring proximity to a host with an ability to use it.
I'm thinking that maybe Hiro will be able to use his ability in a limited fashion when in contact with Ando, It would be the perfect way of keeping them both together and limiting Hiros ability.
scoobyood
16-12-2008, 22:49
We still don't know that Peter has his full ability back yet, it may be similar to how it was before but requiring more concious effort or some other similar inhibitor. It could even be closer to how his ability started e.g. requiring proximity to a host with an ability to use it.
I'm thinking that maybe Hiro will be able to use his ability in a limited fashion when in contact with Ando, It would be the perfect way of keeping them both together and limiting Hiros ability.
I'm hoping for that as well. Ando's power is to literally help Hiro... if they have to keep together that could lead to some interesting stories. If only there was a show on TV which knew how to explore that well.
What happens when Ando meets Peter? Ando could be the coolest character for the next chapter. Since they have fired the show runners who did this third chapter we will get a really good fourth chapter.. here's hoping.
Peter is back to square one now, at last. :) He should only have flight and the blue flame ability now and with no-one having the 'real' Time travel ability it solves a lot of "if he went back and stopped X happening the problem goes away" arguments.
I think they should just give Hiro the ability to stop time, not travel. Interestingly, if you look back to ep 1 where Ando zaps Hiro in the future, the formula is there, very crumpled so maybe it gets pieced back together? Also, Hiro attacks Ando with the sword, he doesn't stop time - still no powers?
With Nathan starting up the camps he is going to create part of the future we saw in the first ep with Claire shooting Peter in the basement. But then that future had the history of the camps AND a working formula so that's a mess - except if the formula is pieced together again.
...the writers need to just reboot everything now, forget about any future flashes we've seen, keep it simple.
I'm just glad Peter is Peter again, hopefully now he'll develop some IQ, will be interesting to see if that scars goes when he meets Claire and gets his healing power again.
Oh, and there's no way Worf doesn't have an ability! Nathan may have shot himself in the foot and made himself a target as the President wants to protect himself.
:lol:
What a load of dog cack!
I've stuck with it hoping that it would turn around and things would start coming together but it's progressively got worse. The only redeeming thing about it is the comic relief of Hiro and Ando, even though Ando is an annoying ****.
you guys dig to deep to find the faults i really enjoyed the season end, glad peter got his powers back!
looking fwd to season 4, my fav show after lost. ok the season has not been as good as season 1 but they set crazy high standards!
roll on feb
Captain_Howdy666
17-12-2008, 09:14
you guys dig to deep to find the faults i really enjoyed the season end, glad peter got his powers back!
looking fwd to season 4, my fav show after lost. ok the season has not been as good as season 1 but they set crazy high standards!
roll on feb
Season three hasn't finished yet :?:
Ando was very annoying. "Gimmi gimmi gimmi". He was like a stupid little kid and how stupid of them to think that just because he wants time travel powers he will get it!
How the hell does being able to run so fast allow them to travel instantly back 16 years to the exact point and back again? What a ridiculous plot!
Either the writers are idiots or think we are.
Space Duck
17-12-2008, 09:32
Have to admit the Volume end had me thinking the season was over.... :)
I enjoyed the episode... but I have a feeling since Sylar does have a family out there, he could be back sooner rather than later.
Space Duck
17-12-2008, 09:35
Although now we know why Hiro may have to kill Ando... his abilities could be awesome in the wrong hands :P
AndyWilson
17-12-2008, 10:17
A total mess, but I enjoyed it...
Highlander
17-12-2008, 10:38
Although now we know why Hiro may have to kill Ando... his abilities could be awesome in the wrong hands :P
Did Hiro kill Ando? I thought it was the other way round?
Hugely entertaining episode, fast-paced, plenty of action, but once again, stop to think about it for a nanosecond & it all falls to pieces. My only real grumble is the change in Nathan's character. I've been waiting for several episodes for it to be revealed that he is possessed by some unknown bad-guy we've not seen yet, it's the only credible explanation for his recent actions.
Ando's new power is cool & for once it's original & not "borrowed" from the comicbooks (although i'm sure someone will pop along in a second to name an obscure comicbook character i've never heard of) .... Combining with Daphne to zip back 'n forward in time was cheeesetastic, but at least they didn't resort to some kind of "Cosmic Treadmill" like the comicbook Flash. :)
Although now we know why Hiro may have to kill Ando... his abilities could be awesome in the wrong hands :P
If I recall correctly Hiro thought he saw Ando killing him in the flash forward earlier in the series. In fact what we may have seen is Ando powering up Hiro somehow and Hiro collapsing and not being killed at all. May have to rewatch the episode when I work out which one it was.
On the whole I've enjoyed the series despite the huge plot holes and certain charactor "deveopments". Role on Feb and volume 4.:thumbs:
MetalGearAl
17-12-2008, 14:59
Doubt they'll kill off Sylar, as:
There's an episode towards / at the end of the season about him. Think it's flashback oriented but would be surprised if it was entirely posthumous
It seems ridiculous that HRG didn't order the others out of the room and then stuck the gun in the back of his head, or decapitated him as previously suggested, given how much he wants him dead.
Mandrill
17-12-2008, 15:39
That was a bit of a mess ..I liked Arthur's dead body dissapeared off the floor with no explanation.
Glad Peter got his power's back not sure how Hiro will get his back though ..
I'm hoping the show will improve from here as it's lost it's way just by the credits alone at the start you can see it's overblown with character's.
slideymoo
17-12-2008, 16:56
What a load of crap. The sole purpose of the season was to remove the overpowered abilities - ie time travel. Future peter was killed, peter has his powers reset so no time travel and hiro has no power.
The best episodes were always the ones in the future, even if it did break everything else. Was that irish girl that was taken to the future last season ever accounted for?
And next season is just going to be worf and trask trying to catch people? He's gone from wanting to turn people into mutants to wanting to catch them all in no time at all, its silly.
If I recall correctly Hiro thought he saw Ando killing him in the flash forward earlier in the series. In fact what we may have seen is Ando powering up Hiro somehow and Hiro collapsing and not being killed at all. May have to rewatch the episode when I work out which one it was.
No, they were arguing over the formula, Hiro unsheathed his sword and tried to stab Ando as he wouldn't give the formula back.
We don't know the extent of Ando's power, maybe it was just a zap that knocked Hiro out.
They had better keep Peter and Ando apart in the next series, if Peter gets powered up x1000, even for a second, he'll absorb half the planet's powers!
PaulieC79
17-12-2008, 20:26
Nathan - I actually like where they've taken him, BUT instead of a steady intelligent progression to that point it's been a complete and utter character jump.
Hiro has no powers now then? Can they just get rid of him then please? And they had the opportunity to let Mohinder burn in Pinehurst when the goo was set on fire, what a missed opportunity. The whole season has just been a mess, a high paced and at times entertaining mess though. Hopefully the next volume will be paced a lot better now they've convolutedly 'reset' all the characters.
I'm glad Bryan Fuller is coming back and Jeph Loeb going otherwise I'm sure we'd have had President Worf gaining some power that changed him into a Klingon.
magneticman
17-12-2008, 21:02
No, they were arguing over the formula, Hiro unsheathed his sword and tried to stab Ando as he wouldn't give the formula back.
We don't know the extent of Ando's power, maybe it was just a zap that knocked Hiro out.
They had better keep Peter and Ando apart in the next series, if Peter gets powered up x1000, even for a second, he'll absorb half the planet's powers!
I'm pretty sure it was Ando killing Hiro, Hiro had the hump for 10 episodes remember?
You're both kind of right. Hiro had a crumpled copy of the formula, and Ando tells Hiro to give it to him. Hiro says that Ando betrayed him, and Ando says thats not right. At that point Hiro pulls his sword out and attacks Ando, but Ando renders Hiro unconscious with his red lightning and strolls off with the formula. Hiro was more upset by the alleged betrayal than anything else.
Professor Abronsius
17-12-2008, 21:45
Wee spoiler on BBC3 there from the Voice Over lady at the end of the Ep...
She said that the new series is back in the new year and that Sylar is on the war path
Also with Meredith, if her flames do not burn her, is she dead... ?
She said it was back in "the new year" but the other bit she revealed was a tad annoying.
Professor Abronsius
17-12-2008, 21:51
Have edited my spoiler to correct the date. :D
What absolute cack this volume turned out to be! And I thought it couldn't get worse than volume 2! :lol:
Oh noes! (based on Nathan's file of pics) it looks like volume 4 sees the return of that annoying **** Micah! Aggggghhhhhhhhhh!
I really hope it does turn out that Nathan is being controlled by something or someone and that it explains his bizarre character changes as otherwise it's simply insulting.
Great episode but we've still never seen the big show-down between Sylar and Peter Petrelli - that must be still to come. And was that the African turtle man we saw reappear at the end of the episode :nuts:
Ando was very annoying. "Gimmi gimmi gimmi". He was like a stupid little kid and how stupid of them to think that just because he wants time travel powers he will get it!
How the hell does being able to run so fast allow them to travel instantly back 16 years to the exact point and back again? What a ridiculous plot!
Either the writers are idiots or think we are.
I don't think that Daphne's power is actually to run fast, if it was she wouldnt be able to make other people run equally fast just by touching them. I think maybe its a form of time dilation, or a bubble of compressed time that surrounds her. If she could manipulate time like this normally there is no telling what she could do if she was hyped up x1000. It still doesn't fully explain how she was able to travel in time but it does add a possible link to her own ability.
Also with Meredith, if her flames do not burn her, is she dead... ?
I determined that as the place blew up seh was a gonna, as otherwise they'd have just aited for her, no???? Oh, wait, this is Heroes....so who knows for sre until the writers invent some crazy survival back-track ep!
Come to think of it, considering how great and powerful a villain Arthur Petrelli was, it seems all too easy to just be able to get rid of him without a massive battle between either him and Sylar or him and Peter Petrelli. That's one of the problems with Heroes, no great show-downs, more a limp fizzle-out. The only real battle we've had is the Peter/Sylar fight in season one (Five years in the future) and that was only a brief blast of light glimpsed behind a door.
I don't think that Daphne's power is actually to run fast, if it was she wouldnt be able to make other people run equally fast just by touching them. I think maybe its a form of time dilation, or a bubble of compressed time that surrounds her. If she could manipulate time like this normally there is no telling what she could do if she was hyped up x1000. It still doesn't fully explain how she was able to travel in time but it does add a possible link to her own ability.
Interestingly when Hiro stopped time...she could still move iirc...
They don't do finale's well...that was all over the gaff. When it started I had to check the last ep as I thought I'd missed one.
Claire get's pushed back through time and doesn't mention it. Syler kills daddy Patrelli , then is suddenly back with HRG who is setting out to help Peter Patrelli...
And where did the Haitian go?
wtf? did I fall asleep...
Lame, lame, lame.
So they establish that Ando makes Daphne run faster than the speed of light, which causes her to travel back in time. OK, I'll allow that. So how the **** is she supposed to travel *forward* in time after she's gone back 16 years to grab Hiro? It makes no sense, you must acquit!
I am deeply depressed that the next volume starts with another unimaginative ripoff of a plot straight from the comicbooks. And it was **** when they did it too.
Honestly. I said it in the last thread, and I'll say it again here. This was complete and utter bobbins. The only two parts I remotely liked both involved Hiro - the first being when he's trying to destroy the formula (a nice 'so that's how it ended up in two pieces!' touch, I thought) and the second was when he punched out annoying ice lady. Yay!
But yeah, other than that? Bobbins.
That's it for me-I'm done with Heroes. It was fun while it lasted but it's time to walk away with some dignity....
Grandmaster
18-12-2008, 10:38
And where did the Haitian go?
It still makes me chuckle how three years in, every one is still calling him The Haitian, even when he's standing right there next to them :lol: Even his brother, who barely survived an episode's worth of screentime actually got a name :lol:
Flip Martian
18-12-2008, 10:43
Interesting how with some series the programme gets better the more seasons it runs for, with Heroes its been exactly the opposite. I'm still interested in seeing how it pans out in Vol 4 but nothing would induce me to buy the dvds like I did for season 1. This season has really been an insult to the intelligence. Its like its been written by people with no respect for sci fi whatsoever who think sci fi fans will swallow any old crap...
I still don't get how Arthur Petrelli can be killed by a bullet when he absorbed "invincible man"'s powers... As for Nathan...well, most people have said it already; its like he's an alien doppelganger with a totally different personality.
That's it for me-I'm done with Heroes. It was fun while it lasted but it's time to walk away with some dignity....
:lol: Sorry, but we all lost our dignity by continuing to watch it after the appallingly lame final episode of season-one. It's never recovered since.
That's it for me-I'm done with Heroes. It was fun while it lasted but it's time to walk away with some dignity....
I bet you come back and comment on the next episode though :) ;)
So they establish that Ando makes Daphne run faster than the speed of light, which causes her to travel back in time. OK, I'll allow that. So how the **** is she supposed to travel *forward* in time after she's gone back 16 years to grab Hiro? It makes no sense, you must acquit!
She runs backwards !! !! :nuts:
So they establish that Ando makes Daphne run faster than the speed of light, which causes her to travel back in time. OK, I'll allow that. So how the **** is she supposed to travel *forward* in time after she's gone back 16 years to grab Hiro? It makes no sense, you must acquit!
Something to do with Einstein, I didn't follow it but it sounded believable. Acquit what ?
She runs backwards !! !! :nuts:
Or the other way (ala Superman). :thinking::shrug::nuts:
Something to do with Einstein, I didn't follow it but it sounded believable. Acquit what ?
The Einstein part only allows for going back in time, not forward. And the 'acquit' part is a South Park reference.
wonderfibre
18-12-2008, 12:07
Why did HRG not use the gun to pistol whip Ms Firestarter and knock her out?
What really annoyed me about that situation was that everytime she had an outburst of flame she would always aim the fire directly at him! "I can't control it!"
How the hell does being able to run so fast allow them to travel instantly back 16 years to the exact point and back again? What a ridiculous plot!
That's the beauty of time travel - they could have been travelling to and from the past for hours/weeks/months/years but to a static observer in the present they would appear to have been gone for just a few seconds
Also with Meredith, if her flames do not burn her, is she dead... ?
her flames wouldn't hurt her but i'd imagine the building crushing her would!
So they establish that Ando makes Daphne run faster than the speed of light, which causes her to travel back in time. OK, I'll allow that. So how the **** is she supposed to travel *forward* in time after she's gone back 16 years to grab Hiro? It makes no sense, you must acquit!
Ando's power causes her to travel through time, not just back. See Einstein for more info ;)
Ando's power causes her to travel through time, not just back. See Einstein for more info ;)
That's wrong, though.
Simply put: Einstein said that if you travel faster than the speed of light, you will arrive at your destination before you've left. Which is how they explained it in the episode too!
It's a *one way* process.
Look at the opposite: to arrive at your destination after you've left, you'll travel slower than the speed of light. Or move normally, in other words. Or, in other words, it'd take Daphne, Ando and Hiro 16 years to get back to where they left Parkman. Net gain - bugger all, as Hiro could do that by himself.
I say again; it makes no sense, you must acquit!
AndyWilson
18-12-2008, 12:32
The faster you travel, the faster time passes for you in relation to a (relatively) static observer.
For example, astronauts who have travelled to the moon aged slightly less than their familes left back on earth.
So, you could travel very, very fast for 1 minute, then when you stopped you would find that 16 years had elapsed in "normal" time.
That's the scientifically proven and demonstrable way of travelling forward in time.
What hasn't been demonstrated is travelling backwards in time by exceeding the speed of light - but it's all based on the same equations.
I still don't get how Arthur Petrelli can be killed by a bullet when he absorbed "invincible man"'s powers... As for Nathan...well, most people have said it already; its like he's an alien doppelganger with a totally different personality.That's because Arthur Petrelli has taken over Nathans body, listen to the way nathan talks after Arthur dies ;)
What a lame finale ( again ). Season 3 has been so hit and miss.
What is annoying most is that the writers just seem to make up plots and powers as they go along and have totally ruined the original premise of people with powers being heroes and using them against the bad guys.
This season it has just been a mis-mash.
I will watch it again as I still like the characters and the general theme but it could be so so so much bettter.
:lol: Sorry, but we all lost our dignity by continuing to watch it after the appallingly lame final episode of season-one. It's never recovered since.Yeah, this!
I still don't get how Arthur Petrelli can be killed by a bullet when he absorbed "invincible man"'s powers... As for Nathan...well, most people have said it already; its like he's an alien doppelganger with a totally different personality.
That's because Arthur Petrelli has taken over Nathans body, listen to the way nathan talks after Arthur dies ;)It had better this because that would actually be *gasp* quite a good twist!
Professor Abronsius
18-12-2008, 16:28
Arthur Petrelli has taken over Nathans body
Never thought of that. :notworthy
Captain_Howdy666
18-12-2008, 19:56
Why the hell are people moaning about season finales? It's only the end of the volume, there's still (probably) another nine episodes.
Captain_Howdy666
18-12-2008, 20:01
25 episodes to this season? I thought it was 22.
degeneration
18-12-2008, 20:41
To all the "I give up", you'll be back. And I'm very confident that Season 4 will be as good as season 1.
TBH I hope some of the moaners do bog off. They post so much that every episode needs its own thread. Maybe we can create "The happy Heroes Volume 4 thread".
degeneration
18-12-2008, 21:26
If there is a season 4.
Well, Volume 4....
LeftHandedGuitarist
18-12-2008, 21:31
That was complete rubbish... which is a shame since I've actually enjoyed most of this season! And I know I'll be back for volume 4.
I haven't read all the way through this thread, but my main problem is that the show treats the audience like they're stupid. On the flipside, that shouldn't be a big issue since I watch the show simply because I want to turn my brain off and be entertained. But for some reason it is.
Tracy said some ridiculous line about, "we have the 2 halves of the formula, that's all we need to continue ourselves." No, you dozy bint, we've just had the last few episodes telling us that the formula won't work without the catalyst, which floated away out of Arthur Petrelli.
And Daphne going back and then forward in time really bugged me too.
It just feels such a shame that plotlines are all wrapped up in 45 mins of characters being unbelievably thick, making poor decisions and completely ignoring anything that's happened to them previously. And I'm also in the 'please kill Suresh' group, he's pointless and annoying.
Captain_Howdy666
18-12-2008, 22:29
Tracy said some ridiculous line about, "we have the 2 halves of the formula, that's all we need to continue ourselves." No, you dozy bint, we've just had the last few episodes telling us that the formula won't work without the catalyst, which floated away out of Arthur Petrelli.
Peter was stood by him as the catalyst floated on by. How do we know that it's not part of Peter now? He's dumb enough not to realise that he's absorbing a power. If this is the case, maybe when he stabbed himself with the formula, he didn't need to as he already had his powers returned.
Someone said earlier that maybe Pappa Petrelli has now taken over Nathan's body, where was Nathan when the catalyst escaped?
The faster you travel, the faster time passes for you in relation to a (relatively) static observer.
For example, astronauts who have travelled to the moon aged slightly less than their familes left back on earth.
So, you could travel very, very fast for 1 minute, then when you stopped you would find that 16 years had elapsed in "normal" time.
That's the scientifically proven and demonstrable way of travelling forward in time.
What hasn't been demonstrated is travelling backwards in time by exceeding the speed of light - but it's all based on the same equations.
Ah, cheers for that science lesson. It's a shame the show itself couldn't make it quite as clear as you did. Maybe they did actually have the full explanation in there at one point but cut it out to speed the scene up, who knows. Interestingly, reading Beeman's blog it appears that he had quite a few issues with the script that he had to work through. Wonder if this was one of them?
Quincunx
19-12-2008, 00:50
I feel dirty watching this.
I'm thinking of this as a moving comic. It works that way... no expecting it to be clever, no expecting it to think stuff through... plot direction changes excused... it's ******* fun, whatever it's doing. Even when it's unbelievably stupid. There.
Coolhand
19-12-2008, 08:15
I do think it's nonsensical to watch a show that includes people who can shoot fire out of their fingers and fly and then complain that a bit about time travel doesn't stand up to existing scientific reasoning....
It's meant to be like a comic book!
I agree it's not been the best volume, but I expect a return to form with Fugitives.
I think it's pretty poor form to treat your audience with such withering disrespect, assume they are all brain dead and just expect them to just "go with it" because it's about super-powered people.
If there is a season 4.
Apparently it's the show Americans time-shift the most (a whopping 35% against 12% for American Idol)) i.e. record and watch after it's been broadcast, so although that doesn't help its viewer ratings on the night it does make it one of the most watched shows in the US.
I don't think that would assist it's survival though, as people time-shifting are going to fast-forward the adverts, so they really have to go with the viewing figures on the night.
It's been clear for the past two seasons (and for most of the first season TBH) that the plot lines will be fairly ridiculous, there will be plot holes you could drive a truck through, the writing will be cheesy, the performances (generally) wooden, and the editing bizarre. If anyone is still watching this and is annoyed by it, don't expect or even hope that things will change, because they won't.
Bapapapa
19-12-2008, 10:13
All the 'that's it, I'm out!' posts reminds me of the majority of the Smallville episode threads - for the last six seasons..!! :lol:
All the 'that's it, I'm out!' posts reminds me of the majority of the Smallville episode threads - for the last six seasons..!! :lol:
...and the pompous self-importance their doing so leaves a bad smell over all the Heroes threads.
Well, I'm not planning to stop watching. Heroes maybe a train-wreck these days but it's an entertaining one (when you take it in the way of All my Circuits).
stompontheplebs
19-12-2008, 12:03
I'm still enjoying the show for what it is - pure entertainment. There's just no point in thinking too far into it anymore. (not that there ever was really)
Our favourite bit (which actually got a cheer from a couple of us) was when Hiro punched that icy **** in the face!
gavinhanly
19-12-2008, 12:24
I'll stick with it until Bryan Fuller comes back. The next volume has potential with President Worf, and the alleged Nathan/Arthur twist would be interesting. The plan to put people back into their normal jobs should also improve things.
But this volume was absolute rubbish in many many ways.
I have to say I get really annoyed by the "if you don't like the show, don't watch and don't post negative comments" stuff that's started appearing in this thread. This is a thread where people post their opinions of the programme, not a Heroes puff piece! Surely it's not hard to understand that some people really liked it in the beginning, think it's pants now, but hang onto the hope that it'll return to its glory days? That's exactly what happened with Lost and Smallville, after all. We moaned a lot, and were eventually proven right to do so when both shows improved considerably, due to a bit of effort from the writers. Anyway - rant over...
I have to say I get really annoyed by the "if you don't like the show, don't watch and don't post negative comments" stuff that's started appearing in this thread. This is a thread where people post their opinions of the programme, not a Heroes puff piece!
i think it's more of a case of people who come into the thread and say "it's rubbish, I'm stopping watching it", then low and behold, the next episode thread appears and the same thing is said again.
It's also borderline trolling when posts consist of the same old things being spouted week in week out.
BTW, Smallville never had any "glory days" to return to, and even with improvement has merely gone from "unwatchable tat" to "watchable tat". I'd also argue that Lost has maintained a consistently good level, even during season three, which most people didn't seem to like.
themightyboosh
19-12-2008, 14:04
I've totally had it with Lost and just don't care what happens to any of them anymore, Heroes has some dubious logic to the storyline but it has managed to hold my interest and for all its flaws I love it - Even if just for watching Hiro Nakamura, YA TA!
Spooksta
19-12-2008, 16:42
Ive had it with this thread. Im never going to read it again. Its gone right down hill. :thumbs:
fivebyfive
19-12-2008, 18:07
I'll stick with it until Bryan Fuller comes back. The next volume has potential with President Worf, and the alleged Nathan/Arthur twist would be interesting. The plan to put people back into their normal jobs should also improve things.
I have to say I get really annoyed by the "if you don't like the show, don't watch and don't post negative comments" stuff that's started appearing in this thread. This is a thread where people post their opinions of the programme, not a Heroes puff piece! .
completely agree with both points, I really like Bryan Fuller's past shows and I hope he can turn the show around.
Chapter 3 was better than chapter 2 but thats not difficult
That's because Arthur Petrelli has taken over Nathans body, listen to the way nathan talks after Arthur dies ;)
This is a great conjecture although the director's blog seems to suggest that Arthur is dead:
http://gregbeeman.blogspot.com/
Flip Martian
20-12-2008, 12:54
This is a great conjecture although the director's blog seems to suggest that Arthur is dead:
http://gregbeeman.blogspot.com/
Interesting link, thanks. :thumbs:
I love the set which (Production Designer) Ruth Ammon built for Arthur’s office. It has this amazing ceiling which facilitates either putting “X”s or Christian crosses in the frame. Between an “X” and a Christian Cross you have two major metaphoric images that will help enhance any number of shots.The second shot of the scene is an incredibly low angle of Peter holding the gun that killed his father. And behind Peter I framed in an “X” because I figured Peter has double-crossed his family and is at a cross-roads he can’t return from.
Yep, bet we ALL picked up on THAT one...:cuckoo:
Load of old ******** with two many holes to list, but big PLUS is that chapter 4 will not take a lot of this baggage into it.
Fingers crossed it improves, if not at least LOST & BSG will be back!
cjanderson
29-12-2008, 18:41
Another one who says "i'm out"
watched it, thought it was stupid as usual. And as it was THE END (not sure of what), then i can live happy with not seeing it again.
Then realised i had missed out ep 12 without even noticing. ah well, it was good whilst it lasted.
Grandmaster
29-12-2008, 19:50
I don't think that would assist it's survival though, as people time-shifting are going to fast-forward the adverts, so they really have to go with the viewing figures on the night.
There's an argument that time-shifters are good for advertising. While fast-forwarding through the ad, you need to be watching them in order for you to know when to stop fast-forwarding! In short, although accelerated a good deal, they have your full attention :)
One of the odd things about Heroes is that it was a lot better in season one when there was hardly any action, when there were action scenes they stood out. In seasons two and three the series has become action-packed and noticeably not as good as the first season, maybe a case for more talking, scene-setting, slow it down guys and less action.
GAmbrose
04-01-2009, 21:00
I watched Episodes 7-13 in one go and without the week wait in between episodes, your brain doesn't really have time to dwell on how ridiculous most of the plot elements are.
Overall It was alright, the best thing they did was nullify Peter's powers.
Gary A
Jungle Ted
07-01-2009, 19:02
So am I right in thinking that this is it for this series then? I've been waiting for Ep 14 and thought there had been a break over chrimbo - seems like i've got a long wait :(
So am I right in thinking that this is it for this series then? I've been waiting for Ep 14 and thought there had been a break over chrimbo - seems like i've got a long wait :(
No. It's back for another 12 episodes on 2nd February.
Jungle Ted
07-01-2009, 20:20
No. It's back for another 12 episodes on 2nd February.
TFFT! Cheers for the info :thumbs:
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