England Squad for Germany

[The Bear]

Not been anounced yet. Due at around 7pm tonight.

But thought I'd mention that Cappello is apparently going to call up Chelsea's Michael Mancienne from the U21's according to The Sun:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/article1933181.ece

Great news for the lad. He has been superb for the two games he's started for Wolves so far, getting MOTM in both. Bad news for Wolves though as it lessens our chance of keeping him on loan beyond January, as more Prem scouts will probably be sniffing round him.

[Euler]

Agreed - I saw him playing for us against Burnley last week ; the lad was astounding. I dont think a single ball got past him. If we could sign him now, I would snap Chelsea's hand off for him.

[Ono]

Carson,
Hart,
James,
Bridge,
Davies, :thumbs::thumbs:
Johnson,
Terry,
Lescott,
Mancienne, :?:
Richards,
Upson,
Barry, :thumbs:
Carrick,
Downing, :oh-hum::oh-hum:
Lampard,
Gerrard,
Wright-Phillips,
A Young, :thumbs::thumbs:
Agbonlahor, :thumbs::notworthy
Bent,
Crouch,
Defoe,
Walcott.

Let's hope Gaby and Ashely Young actually get a game this time.

[unrealnils]

Mancienne, :?:.

read the first two posts :thumbs:

[LouBarlow]

Yep he's quality. Can't see Terry making the game now.

[JIM_WHU]

I was at Upton Park today, as was Capello. I saw Robert Green probably pull off one of the best goalkeeping performances I have seen for a long time including a world class save from Defoe.

So how the hell is Carson getting picked ahead of Green?

[mklion123]

he doesn't play for Westham;):shrug:

[barak78]

Still no Owen :oh-hum:

[unrealnils]

I thought he ****** capello off ??

[megatron]

s ucked?

[wisey]

I dont understand how carson or green get anywhere near the squad, he may have had a good performance yesterday with there first clean sheet but has been consistently dodgy every time ive seen him.

[slideymoo]

Owen might as well give up, if he can't make a reserve squad he's never getting called up.

hart
johnson micah terry bridge
walcott barry lamps young
bongy bent

if it were a proper game I'd have gerrard ahead of lamps, but Id rather gerrard be rested :)

[The Bear]

Carson has been terrible. How he got in I don't know.

[BlueDwarf]

Are we that short of quality that Carson and Downing get in?
I guess Owen has to leave Newcastle before he gets a shout.

[ed_mcl]

Gerrard's out. What a surprise!

[Alan b]

Gerrard's out. What a surprise!

Here was go again. Who is next to pull out with an "injury" ?

[Peter UK]

'JT' or Carrick imo :nod:

[AdamBrunt]

Gerrard's out. What a surprise!

the club reckon he'll be out for over a week - probably won't be though.

good on LFC for starting to do what other clubs have been doing for years ... removing their players from totally meaningless friendlies.

[wisey]

He's garbage for England anyway, were better without him.

[MaleStrom]

This'll probably be a tad controversial, but I think Robinson is back near his best, and am surprised he's not in the squad - he's been magnificent for Blackburn this year and can't help thinking Spurs got rid too soon :(

[ed_mcl]

Jagielka seems to be a notable omission. I don't know how he's played for Everton so far this season but having just watched the Everton vs. Boro game, he was by far their best player, solid defender.

[barak78]

This'll probably be a tad controversial, but I think Robinson is back near his best, and am surprised he's not in the squad - he's been magnificent for Blackburn this year and can't help thinking Spurs got rid too soon :(

That's why they are in the relegation zone. Personally, I found it barmy Ince was happy to let Friedal go and purchased Robinson. :cuckoo:

[Fever Dawg]

Nice to see Capello isn't going to be easily fobbed off by another perfectly timed Gerrard 'injury'.

[AdamBrunt]

Nice to see Capello isn't going to be easily fobbed off by another perfectly timed Gerrard 'injury'.

But seems perfectly happy to accept Rooney is injured ... yeah right. Cos Man U have never made up mysterious injuries that miraculously heal themselves 24hrs after the international :suspect:

Seriously, the other thing I don't get. Capello's reason for not picking Owen is "we already know what he can do and what he adds to the team", LFC have told England Gerrard's not fit so what does Capello think he can learn from playing an injured Gerrard ?

[saltysam]

He's garbage for England anyway, were better without him.yeah,that 35 yarder in the last game was real lucky.

[wisey]

Rooney missed the last game through injury, Gerrard played the full game before mysteriously getting injured on his way to the Liverpool doctors. Its all very convenient.

[wisey]

yeah,that 35 yarder in the last game was real lucky.

Who said that was lucky? It was a good goal, but unless your wearing a pair of rosier than usual Liverpool specs its just a plain lie to say he has been anything more than a discrace for England over recent years.

[AdamBrunt]

Just as convenient as Man U players picking up injuries between the end of the game and being called up to the squad.

Rooney missed the last game cos Ferguson said he was injured - Capello is clearly prepared to take Ferguson at his word but not Benitez.

Whether either of them is injured or not ... the point is only one of the them has been told to report for duty despite his club saying he's not fit.

[Fever Dawg]

But seems perfectly happy to accept Rooney is injured ... yeah right. Cos Man U have never made up mysterious injuries that miraculously heal themselves 24hrs after the international :suspect:



Maybe he sees the Ferdinand & Rooney's injuries as more credible - seeing as they both didn't play at the weekend? Whereas Gerrard played the full 90 mins at Bolton :suspect:

[AdamBrunt]

Who said that was lucky? It was a good goal, but unless your wearing a pair of rosier than usual Liverpool specs its just a plain lie to say he has been anything more than a discrace for England over recent years.

:lol:

Let's put it this way - if club form is any guide then if it got to England being 3-1 down in a WC semi-final at halftime. Out of Gerrard and Lampard I know which one I'd want on the pitch ;)

Not that I give a **** how well he plays for England anyway. It's how he plays for Liverpool that's important.

[Fever Dawg]

Just as convenient as Man U players picking up injuries between the end of the game and being called up to the squad.




Who's that then?

Neither of the United withdrawals played against Stoke at the weekend. :doh:

[wisey]

Why would i use club form as a guide? Gerrard leaves that at his club and has proved consistently he cannot step it up to internationals.

[AdamBrunt]

Who was talking solely about United's England players necessarily ?

Remind me, when he was at the top of his game ... how many friendlies was Giggs released for ?

[Fever Dawg]

I can't recall Giggs ever taking painkilling injections for weeks to enable him to play for the club and then scheduling an operation as soon as an International break came up.

Like Gerrard did recently. ;)

[saltysam]

Giggs has made a 2nd career out of avoiding Friendlies for Wales :lol:

[AdamBrunt]

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying Man U were wrong for doing it. As the 'owner' of the player I believe its up to them and them alone to say whether a player is fit - and this applies to every club.

It seems Capello doesn't agree.

What I don't understand is:

1) (as I said earlier) Given his reason for not picking Owen, why does Gerrard need to be play (even if he is fit) ?

2) If it does turn out today that Gerrard is injured and has been dragged away from his club for a day - which could have spent getting treatment - what will that do to the future relationship between LFC (or indeed Man U, Chelsea, etc) and England ?

[Fever Dawg]

Seems like Gerrard is going the same way?

[saltysam]

Seems like Gerrard is going the same way?good on him.don't give a monkey's about the national side :thumbs:

[Hood]

What I don't understand is:

1) (as I said earlier) Given his reason for not picking Owen, why does Gerrard need to be play (even if he is fit) ?

It's called diplomacy. Capello currently doesn't rate Owen but rather than saying that, he chooses to put a positive spin on it so not to burn any bridges just in case he has a change of opinion. It really is very simple and very much a part of the modern game.

[AdamBrunt]

Well, what do you know.

Seems Gerrard was injured after all (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/7729516.stm)

[TigaSefi]

Get ****** Capello :)

[john316]

I'm waiting for Capello to pull out shortly with Lampard also now pulling out :lol:

[Fever Dawg]

Well, what do you know.

Seems Gerrard was injured after all (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/7729516.stm)

Get ****** Capello :)

:nuts:

What did you expect?

I don't think it was ever the intention to try and prove that Gerrard was lying and that he was actually fit. I mean, is it even possible to prove that somebody is 100% fit if they tell you that they aren't?

It was obviously just a statement from Capello that he isn't going to just accept a player playing the full 90 minutes for his club at the weekend and then pulling out with an injury?

[AdamBrunt]

That might well be the case ... but thanks to Capello insisting on dragging a genuinely injured player away from the treatment table for a day, just so he can make some sort of statement of intent, LFC could be without their, alleged, 'star player' for not only a key Premiership game (though they should be able to beat Fulham without him) but also increase the chance of missing a more crucial CL game :oh-hum:

[Fever Dawg]

And how exactly would one day with the England doctors have such a detrimental effect on his rehabilitation?

I'd be very surprised if Gerrard doesn't play some part against Fulham on Saturday ...

[Deron]

And how exactly would one day the with the England doctors have such a detrimental effect on his rehabilitation?

I'd be every surprised if Gerrard doesn't play some part against Fulham on Saturday ...

I don't think he'll play...

Maybe the champs league game afterwards though.

[escape_adil5]

Here's Robbo's take on the matter... :lol:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/11/a_friendly_word_from_fab.html

[slideymoo]

Rooney missed the last game through injury, Gerrard played the full game before mysteriously getting injured on his way to the Liverpool doctors. Its all very convenient.

Man utd have benched him or tevez almost every game recently, they probably figured he wouldn't be needed on the bench at the weekend so called him as injured.

anything more than a discrace for England over recent years

Name a player that hasnt been. I hope youre not suggesting players like downing have played better lol.

[wisey]

Why would i suggest that?. Gerrard is embarrassing for England, thats exactly what i said.

[slideymoo]

Still, name some that haven't :) He's still better than 90% of the players for england, so what does that say about the england team?

[silent]

no jag's. ridiculous :(

[saltysam]

Why would i suggest that?. Gerrard is embarrassing for England, thats exactly what i said. 70 caps and 14 goals.real embarrassing.

[ed_mcl]

And how many of those caps has he actually put a decent performance in? To be fair he's not the only player who has acquired a high number of caps and been poor at international level more times than he's been good.

[LouBarlow]

70 caps and 14 goals.real embarrassing.

Lampard has a better record, but gets booed. How crap must Gerrard be? ;)

[escape_adil5]

I think Gerrard has been as bad as others when England has performed badly, so it's pointless singling players out. The reason someone like Gerrard sticks out for playing badly is when he puts in a miserable performance for England (ie. the loss to Croatia under McLaren) and then 3 days later have the game of his life against Villa. It's the disparity in form between playing for club and country for Gerrard that annoys England fans.

I'm not a fan of the big four, so watching England is a big thing for me. Players should retire themselves internationally if they can't be asked playing - but how many are going to do that with the revenues of being an England player being so high?

[saltysam]

Lampard has a better record, but gets booed. How crap must Gerrard be? ;)It's not Frank's performances they were booing though was it,for whatever reason the fans who go to these games can't stand him?

when he puts in a miserable performance for England (ie. the loss to Croatia under McLaren) and then 3 days later have the game of his life against Villa. pretty sure after the Croatia loss we played Newcastle.He scored a great free kick but if you think he played the game of his life then you clearly haven't seen many LFC games.:)

[AdamBrunt]

The reason someone like Gerrard sticks out for playing badly is when he puts in a miserable performance for England (ie. the loss to Croatia under McLaren) and then 3 days later have the game of his life against Villa. It's the disparity in form between playing for club and country for Gerrard that annoys England fans.


You get that though when you're playing with ***** teammates one game (England) and then class ones the next (Liverpool) ;)

[cheeseypuffs]

I don't think anyone has noticed yet, but Liverpool's club doctor, Mark Waller (http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/team/squad/waller/), is also on the FA medical team as he looks after the under 21's. So it could seem like the FA don't even trust their own staff :suspect:

[slideymoo]

The reason lampard gets abuse (I don't think he should) is that he was **** for 4 years for england, its not about the goals, its that he was almost absent in all games. Gerrard hasnt been as good for eng as for his team either, but he's still been getting plenty of the ball in a lot of those games.

I don't see the point of picking any of the 'big' players for friendlies (other than warm up friendlies before proper games) because even if they show up theyre not going to be going full on.

Maybe its disrespectful to the smaller teams, but I expect all of the big 4 players will view the cl game the week after as more important, whereas the rest of the squad will be well up for an international, so why not use it as an opportunity to give the players outside the 'main' team a tryout?

If bullard or carrick or whoever comes in and plays like the best mid in the world I'd have no problem with them keeping out the 'big' players the next game - but remember, its only a friendly to the opposition too, would they step up for the proper games?

For players like young and bongy its a long overdue callup and theres a chance they wont perform as well with the backups, but what can be gained from having terry/lamps/gerrard/becks/rooney in a friendly 5 months before the next proper game?

[MaleStrom]

70 caps and 14 goals.real embarrassing.

.......until you realise who those 14 goals were against, at which point it's nothing to write home about!
The only 1 I recall against decent oposition was Germany when we beat them 5-1, which seems like a career ago now......other than that, 3 against Andora, 1 against Macedonia, 1 v Trinidad......didn't he score against Serbia aswell? :thinking:
Sorry, not trying to belittle him or Lampard as they're both great for their respective clubs, but I think it'd take the most ardent rose tinter to honestly say they haven't performed for their country!

[Ono]

Would really like to see Gaby and Young included in the starting 11.

Imagine a future England team with the pace of Walcott and the 2 Villa players! :D

[unrealnils]

that would be ace

[pivotalgubbins]

Well, Walcott is out, dislocated shoulder apparently.

[Ono]

Yep! :lol:

Surely Gaby is going to get a game now :D

[Alan b]

Surely Gaby is going to get a game now :D

There is still time for him to be withdrawn due to an "injury".

[saltysam]

Sorry, not trying to belittle him or Lampard as they're both great for their respective clubs, but I think it'd take the most ardent rose tinter to honestly say they haven't performed for their country!Well he's been around the internationnal scene since 2000, Keegan,Erikkson,McLaren and now Capello all pick/picked him regularly.if there's something better out there why haven't these managers dropped him then?

[morleyian]

No uncapped players in the starting XI apparently, will be subbed on later. Defoe and Crouch up front or Defoe and Bent?

[The Bear]

Mancienne starting at RB according to my sources.

Why do managers insist on doing this? Mancienne excels at centre-half enough to get a call up, so gets his international debut at RB. Lescott makes his mark in the Championship at centre half and earns a £5m+ transfer to the premier league, then gets stuck at LB for his international debut.

Oh well, if he has a bad game it might lower his price a bit for when we buy him in the summer ;)

[The Bear]

My source was talking rubbish.


---------------James-------------

Johnson---Upson---Terry-----Bridge

SWP------Barry----Carrick---Downing

----------Defoe----Agbonlahor------


Downing :oh-hum:

[BlueDwarf]

Usual garbage pic quality from ITV.

Booing the anthem, **** I thought we'd started to get past that? I know it's Germany, but still..

[Ono]

Gaby should have run at the defence then.

[Alan b]

Usual garbage pic quality from ITV.

Booing the anthem, **** I thought we'd started to get past that? I know it's Germany, but still..

I knew you would find something to moan at :nuts:

What about their experts or James goalkeeping which is haphazard at best.

Can't argue with the scoreline so far.

[john316]

Don't know why I hate Le Saux so much as a pundit but he just makes me want to turn over immediately soon as I hear his voice :gag:

Mancienne starting at RB according to my sources

Good sources :lol:

[BlueDwarf]

Carson on.
Oh well, draw would still be a good result.

Bent :lol:
Terry :lol:
Carson :lol:

[Ono]

Bent is a ******* donkey!! :nuts:

Now look what it's led to FFS!!:mad::mad:

[slideymoo]

Lets never play carson again. He's englands gomes,

[Ono]

.... and Bent is England's erm, Bent :D

[BlueDwarf]

"We'll find you what he (Carson) is made of now"

We already know - a bad keeper.


Been a very good night for Michael Owen so far.

[Ono]

Gaby's pace is frightening. Good save by the keeper there.

[Apep]

Jesus ******* christ.... John Terry and Carson let England down again. Absolutely shocking defending there, Terry should take a leaf out of the school boy handbook - "if in doubt hoof it out" and not ponce around trying to shepherd it back - even if Carson did call for it, he knows as well as the rest of us he's *****.

[LouBarlow]

Booing the anthem, **** I thought we'd started to get past that? I know it's Germany, but still..

It's bad timing. The crowd have probably all been playing COD: World at War. Good job we weren't playing the Japanese.

[Hernster]

Been a very good night for Michael Owen so far.


:lol:

[Ono]

Terry redeems:thumbs:

[BlueDwarf]

Terry makes amends. :)

[RCW]

well I guess that'll make up for earlier.

shame about the cock up, otherwise been a good display.

[Alan b]

shame about the cock up, otherwise been a good display.

We have scored twice, should have had another through Bent and hit the post so the chances have been made and at the back we have looked OK the cock up apart.

[BlueDwarf]

shame about the cock up, otherwise been a good display.

Absolutely. Good football throughout, and we didn't freeze either when we went 1-up or got pegged back.
Result will be a bonus, it's the way we have played (physically and mentally) that is most important.

[RCW]

good performance, great result, can't believe am saying this but actually enjoying watching England again :thumbs:

[swanny]

Capello is certainly having a positive impact. Great display again tonight and 5 wins on the bounce now.

[ed_mcl]

good performance, great result, can't believe am saying this but actually enjoying watching England again :thumbs:

Probably because all the arsehole players are out injured.

[UKBoy]

Hopefully some of the performances tonight mean we can dispense with some of the arguments re Gerrard and or Lampard in the middle.:lol:

Carson in another shocker, not unexpectedly.

Carrick looked very assured and Glen Johnson was barely mentioned so he must have done everything required of him.

Not convinced by Agbonlahor or Young yet though.

Still, always nice to beat one of the old enemy and I see the jocks lost, so all good.:thumbs:

[AdamBrunt]

Carson in another shocker, not unexpectedly.


And there was me, John Terry and probably hundreds of others thinking the Germany goal was Terry's fault ;)

[UKBoy]

And there was me, John Terry and probably hundreds of others thinking the Germany goal was Terry's fault ;)

Carson is obviously (based on his massive England screw ups so far) not destined to be a long term prospect.

Terry could and possibly should have lumped it into row z, seems to me Carson is as bad as James was when he previously said things like he hadnt prepared for the game, been playing too long on his Playstation etc.

Looking at Carsons eyes, he just looked like he was somewhere else.

[slideymoo]

Probably because all the arsehole players are out injured.

And they were playing a germany b-team.

[ed_mcl]

I don't see what playing a German b-team has to with enjoying England given that tossers like Ferdinand, Gerrard and Rooney are absent from the setup.

[jdor]

And they were playing a germany b-team.

7 of germanys starting 11 also started their last qualifiying game.
hardly a b-team

[Art Vanderlay]

Superb stuff by England last night, I thought. Particularly the midfield. Much like the Croatia away game, England do to another team what others normally do to them and completely boss the midfield.

[statto]

When the prima donnas aren't playing we actually play as a team, and as such perform better.

[Hood]

When the prima donnas aren't playing we actually play as a team, and as such perform better.

How do you explain the previous four victories then (especially the Croatia game)? All prima donnas present and correct. Personally I think the change in quality play is down to Capello using a defensive midfielder (Barry) and a making positive change in attitude.

[statto]

One good game does not a world-beating team make (see Germany 1, England 5).

Almost universally, when we lose one or two of our supposedly key players (Rooney, Lampard, Gerrard, Ferdinand, Terry) everyone on TV acts like we're in real trouble, and almost universally they get proved wrong. Too many of our players think they can go and win a match on their own, and while that isn't always a bad thing, it does cause them to play like individuals more than a team more often than not.

[Borofan]

Downing :oh-hum:

You were saying? ;)
MOM by a mile.

[slideymoo]

I don't see what playing a German b-team has to with enjoying England given that tossers like Ferdinand, Gerrard and Rooney are absent from the setup.

If they had been playing a full team they may not have played as well and I suspect the ejoyment level would've been lower :)

7 of germanys starting 11 also started their last qualifiying game.
hardly a b-team

How many of the 7 were playing the previous game due to injuries?

I'm not saying they played badly, they played a lot better than the team they were playing against, but I find the whole 'they can replace the overpaid egos' etc stuff a little optomistic.

[ed_mcl]

What I was getting at was I find it more enjoyable to support England when the players I dislike are absent.

[Peter UK]

So how many of England's superstar injured ended playing either at the weekend or Tues/ Weds?

Quite a lot :lol:

[Alan b]

Wasn't Gerrard the only one that didn't play last weekend ?