View Full Version : New RED camera details emerging
Sprout Crumble
13-11-2008, 08:41
Called a DSMC (Digital Stills & Motion Camera), they've been taking pops at Canon and Nikon for ages. Doesn't look cheap though.
MORE HERE (http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/13/more-red-scarlet-and-epic-pics-sure-to-induce-drool/)
The next big thing???
Jesus, it doesn't look like they've been to ergonomics school does it?
bollecks
13-11-2008, 09:47
Mmm, 28,000 x 9334 for that 261 megapixel shot!
Radiohead
13-11-2008, 10:22
Nice and discreet for a wedding then.
Jesus, it looks like something out of Iron Man.
Sprout Crumble
13-11-2008, 12:57
More details on the RED site.
Fully modular (choice of 8 basic body/brains) with sensors up to 186x56mm (261mp !!), multiple lens mounts, 3D possible, options of Canon and Nikon mounts. Basically, trillions of combinations.
Very impressive but hardly the 5D competitor hinted at.
Radiohead
13-11-2008, 13:12
The equivalent FF 35mm brain is $12k.
No grip, batteries, lens, body as suchm, viewfinder, storage module. You'd have to think $20k all in. Interesting economically to launch it now.
20k!? They'll mop up all those stupid D3 and 5DII users then!
Quick survey - when are we all jumping ship to Red?
(At least us Canon and Nikon people have a common enemy now though :D )
still average joe
13-11-2008, 14:34
$20,000 is entry level Hasselblad money, but with nikon mount.
still average joe
13-11-2008, 14:39
and 35mm sensor...
Is it? thats crazy.
bollecks
13-11-2008, 16:50
Mmm, but I'd like to see a Hasselblad shoot 120fps, or the next James Cameron movie...
still average joe
13-11-2008, 16:56
Mmm, but I'd like to see a Hasselblad shoot 120fps, or the next James Cameron movie...
What is the file size of a frame grab with this thing? Could be the end of wedding photography.
Radiohead
13-11-2008, 16:59
The sky is falling
bollecks
13-11-2008, 17:11
What is the file size of a frame grab with this thing? Could be the end of wedding photography.
If it means I don't have to stand around outside a church for three hours dressed in a suit on a summers day while some idiot takes a bunch of photos that I have no intention of paying nine quid each for then it can only be a good thing!
Radiohead
13-11-2008, 17:26
Christ, when was the last time you went to a wedding? 1975?
bollecks
13-11-2008, 17:27
Christ, when was the last time you went to a wedding? 1975?
July 19th. The horror... The horror...
Radiohead
13-11-2008, 17:29
I can imagine - 30 minutes tops with mine.
Is it? thats crazy.
It's modular - that price is RH's guess at the price for a 35mm setup.
Radiohead
13-11-2008, 21:42
It is - just speculating based on the $12k brain and the RED ONE prices.
Sprout Crumble
14-11-2008, 11:33
Looks a good guess to me.
Andrew70
14-11-2008, 15:04
It seems the appeal is for movie makers rather than for photographers. Even at these eye watering prices, the kit comes in considerably cheaper than the stuff that Sony/JVC etc offer for their pro video cameras.
Didn't the BBC recently say something about the dearth of good hi-def material on TV having a lot to do with the poor performance of existing hi-def cameras? If this sort of camera allows good results for relatively cheap cost, it might help to ramp up hi-def programming.
bollecks
14-11-2008, 15:44
It seems the appeal is for movie makers rather than for photographers. Even at these eye watering prices, the kit comes in considerably cheaper than the stuff that Sony/JVC etc offer for their pro video cameras.
Didn't the BBC recently say something about the dearth of good hi-def material on TV having a lot to do with the poor performance of existing hi-def cameras? If this sort of camera allows good results for relatively cheap cost, it might help to ramp up hi-def programming.
The Red One (their current camera) is designed for movie making rather than HDTV. It takes up 30fps at 4 megapixels, about double HDTV resolution.
In theory you can buy a Red One for about the same amount that it would cost you to hire a 35mm film camera for 2/3 months.
A lot of people in this thread seem pretty out of the loop on what Red cameras do. The best source of info is this Wired article:
http://www.wired.com/entertainment/hollywood/magazine/16-09/ff_redcamera?currentPage=all
If you don't want to read it all, the Red rocks graphs on the side explain why their technology is so revolutionary for movie makers.
Andrew70
14-11-2008, 16:27
I can still see it being applicable to HD TV production. Many shows have a filmic effect added in post production anyway which this would obviate the need for.
It would also allow a degree of future proofing as they could downsample output for current viewing standards whilst keeping the full res captures for future viewing tech upgrades.
Is it normal to use cage rods on cameras like that?
If not, that's pretty clever.
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