View Full Version : Robocop CC Vs Robocop Trilogy
I dunno whether to get rid off my Robocop CC now that Ive ordered the trilogy...does anyone know whether the Trilogy edition is fully Uncut?
yes all the films in the trilogy are uncut.
Robocop 1 gives you the choice of either the directors cut (full uncut version) or the theatrical version.
I really dont know if the CC is worth getting rid of. The layer changes in the Robocop re-release are supposed to be very noticeable on the directors cut when the disk switches to the extra parts on a different layer.
This is supposed to be dependent on the dvd player which you have though so whilst someone may notice the change easily on their machine, the changes on your machine could be less noticeable.
As far as im concerned im keeping my CC version and buying the boxset as well as im a major robocop fan :D
Are you sure the 2nd and 3rd Robocop are uncut? Robocop 2 was originally cut by the MPAA and Robocop 3 was cut by the BBFC, and this Trilogy doesnt list them as Directors Cuts. Also from looking at Play247's website, it looks like no work has gone into Robocop 2 or 3 at all.
*Prays that they release Robocop 1 as one DVD*
Checking the BBFC website reveals the lovely words "All previous cuts waived" :)))
yep they are all definitely uncut now and now appear on the BBFC website as 'Previous Cuts Waived'
As well as Robocop 3, Robocop 2 was also cut by the BBFC. I'm not sure about cuts by the MPAA but i've never seen this mentioned anywhere. I thought all the cuts to Robo 2 where by the BBFC.
However, all of these cuts have now been waived from the two sequels.
No special work has been done for the sequels extras wise but as they aren't exactly popular with the population im happy enough with them being uncut and having decent picture and sound.
HighlanderTM
03-02-2002, 22:37
So is Robocop 1 available in ANY region anamorphically on it's own or do i have to splash out £30+ quid for a brilliant film, a mediocre sequel and a very expensive frisbee?
This is blatantly a rip off.
I am sorely 'miffed'!
KeyserSoze
03-02-2002, 23:27
ooo the boxset looks so tempting ! just saw the ad on TV.
the integrated branching is such a dissapointment :(
HighlanderTM : the R1 version (not CC) is the remastered version, but isnt the DC and has no extras.
is there definately gonna be a R1 SE to come, cos i want the R2 boxset :) bu if an R1 SE is coming out, ill have to reconsider.
Where's the cheapest to buy the trilogy?
How much does the CC go for then on these forums? Is it worth selling my Criterion and getting the new MGM boxset?
saw it at asda in pudsey for 24.99
This was a Wallmart version of the store
Originally posted by Goblin
I dunno whether to get rid off my Robocop CC now that Ive ordered the trilogy...does anyone know whether the Trilogy edition is fully Uncut?
Same here.
Bapapapa
04-02-2002, 15:24
urruri - that question has already been answered, in this very thread. :rolleyes:
When they came out they were very violent but now there are much more violent films what get passed uncut..
Should be getting the Trilogy soon.. Amazon.co.uk.. Although they haven't shipped the order yet.. Out today i'm aware?
So is Robocop 2 the original version and not the Mpaa aproved version????
Does anyone know exactly what was cut.
I remember from Robo 3 the Nun chucks (Spelt wrong) were cut, but i cant remember what was cut from 2 in the first place.
Idle Child
04-02-2002, 18:33
i'll be keeping my O.O.P, shrink wrapped, uncut Criterion for quite some time yet.... :clap:
Ive watched the OOP Critereon and picture looked naff. i have not seen the R2 yet as im still at work and am dying to get home and play it.
The OOP robocop looked really stretched on my TV, but if I set it to auto it made it look in correct proportion but it was obviously stretched and looked really crap.
I hope this one is better...
Paul Bennison
04-02-2002, 19:47
Originally posted by whitty
Does anyone know exactly what was cut.
I remember from Robo 3 the Nun chucks (Spelt wrong) were cut, but i cant remember what was cut from 2 in the first place.
I seem to remember that the bit that was cut was something to do with breaking into/hotwiring a car. Apparently it was a bit too, errr.... *educational*.
Robocop 2 Cuts....
The U.K. VHS video release features a number of cuts for violence:
In the opening sequence, two hookers mug a thief. One of the hookers pokes the thief in the eye with the heel of her shoe; this was cut.
Duffy's death is less graphic. Additionally, a line of dialogue spoken by Angie was deleted.
Angie's death is less graphic. Robocop 2 breaks Angie's neck; this was cut.
In total, the BBFC made 9 cuts amounting to 36 seconds for the UK cinema release. An additional cut of 4 seconds was made to the UK video version, to remove the technique used by a car thief during one of the fake adverts.
The German video release of RoboCop 2 has been shortened to 83 min. in order to get a "not under 16 yrs."-rating. Nearly all violent scenes had been cut (e.g. shoot-out in the garage).
Another bit was cut from the UK video version when Cain and his goons escape from the drug house at the beginning. When Cain opens the car door, he finds a Chinese woman babbling incomprehensibly and shoots her. The shooting was cut, though it was shown on UK network TV, along with Duffy's death, in full.
It has now been passed uncut......
Herbie123
04-02-2002, 21:29
I've bought the the boxset and didn't notice any pausing in robocop directors cut version, it branched seamless , much better picture than criterion and better sound . I have a sony ns700 and it works fine, no pausing.
i only noticed 1 branch which i dare say was the layer change. The directors cut is much better, nice and gory
OK then....
I, like arkham only noticed one layer change (When ed 209 kick ass at the beggining) and thats it. But it pretty good pausing. Very slight and in a good place. There is no more pausing for the rest of the film.
I watched the Directors cut bits, and then the theatrical version bits.
I prefer the theatrical personally. The ED209 bit at the beggining is stupid when someone is trying to put the boards and all you can hear are lame screams.
Stick to the theatrical version.
TOP FILM THOUGH.
P.S Watched Robo 3 last night ( jeeeees its corny and lame) Everytime he speaks I want to turn it off. Noticed a bit of lip sync probs on my Sony 735s. Not bothered as it wont get watched EEEEEVVVEEERRRRR again.
(((shudder))))
Dan Druff
05-02-2002, 08:39
Saw the ad and it says it contains seamless branching so I may keep the Criterion and get this aswell as its a top five movie..
Hmm... well, I'm not sure.
I'll probably get it and keep my Criterion. :)
I like RoboCop, like Robocop 2 but don't like Robocop 3 much.
But then again, there are so many other DVDs I want too. :)
RoboCop4
05-02-2002, 10:56
Originally posted by whitty
I prefer the theatrical personally. The ED209 bit at the beggining is stupid when someone is trying to put the boards and all you can hear are lame screams.
The ED-209 sequence probably isn't the most significant difference in the Director's Cut. You pretty much know that the guy's dead, so an extra few seconds of blasting don't add much to the story.
IMHO, the part that <u>is</u> improved in the DC is Murphy's death.
you see his arm get blown off (which explains the continuity error in the theatrical version), the arm stump scene is more graphic, there's more footage with him lying on the ground in agony whilst the 'baddies' chat amicably, and then there's a scene in which Lewis looks in horror at the blood spattered scene after she runs in
These additions, although minor, slightly change the tone of the Murphy death sequence.
Got to disagree with you there Robo4
I dont see the point.. You get to see that his hand has been blown off in the theatrical version anyway. The bit you miss is him looking at his stub. Doesnt really add anymore to the film for me.
RoboCop4
05-02-2002, 11:31
Fair point about the bleeding stubwhitty - but I still maintain that the other additions to that overall sequence <u>do</u> make an improvement.
Dan Druff
05-02-2002, 11:32
It makes a bit more sense when they say
"Lose the arm" as we know his other whole arm was blown off in the extra-violent version
I dont remember that...
I thought - His right hand was blown away and his left was just shot up a bit. Thats why they say they were able to save one arm. then they say loose it.
IMHO the (layer) changes ARE noticable in the director's cut (mainly because I set my amp on auto-detect for the sound format and there is a noticable silence when the DVD stops the bitstream flow and the amp re-detects the sound format again).
The other interesting thing was that the commentary was done for the theatrical cut. It runs on the diredctor's cut, but there are noticable additions on the TC. For example, the initial ED209 sequence has a comment about "... if you're watching the MPAA version blah, blah, blah ..."
Ol' Blue Eyes
05-02-2002, 16:52
Originally posted by f_drew
IMHO the (layer) changes ARE noticable in the director's cut
Perhaps it depends on the technical specs of the player?
from trying out robocop:directors cut on my ps2 i couldn't notice any switching between layers on the directors cut parts.
Must definitely depend on the player
Ol' Blue Eyes
05-02-2002, 22:37
Originally posted by mr_woo
Must definitely depend on the player
Tried it out this evening on my Panasonic and no pauses whatsoever in the extended sequences. Maybe it'd be worth listing the players which have problems.
I would hang on for the MGM R1 version.
After all, the R1 MGM of Terminator was much better than R2, with better packaging, original mono soundtrack included, and loads of interview easter eggs (all for less money).
RoboCop4
06-02-2002, 10:11
What are people's general opinions on the picture quality of the R2 release, compared to the CC?
It's a much sharper image, which is nice. But I was disappointed by the overall colour and contrast. There are some <u>very</u> dark areas on the picture compared with the CC. For example, in some of the factory scenes at the beginning (Murphy's death), I could barely make out any detail in places.
The CC picture had a grey, almost monochromatic look to it (a bit like 'Payback'), which suited the tone of the movie. The MGM version looks as if it has been colourised at the expense of contrast.
Has anyone else done a comparison between the two?
Jimmyboy
06-02-2002, 15:05
Originally posted by grant
I would hang on for the MGM R1 version.
After all, the R1 MGM of Terminator was much better than R2, with better packaging, original mono soundtrack included, and loads of interview easter eggs (all for less money).
The R1 release was ever so slightly better than R2.
Certainly not worth worrying about as both regions were decent.
The only real advantage to the R1 was the commentary on some of the deleated scenes.
SqueakyG
07-02-2002, 00:31
Originally posted by RoboCop4
What are people's general opinions on the picture quality of the R2 release, compared to the CC?
The CC picture had a grey, almost monochromatic look to it (a bit like 'Payback'), which suited the tone of the movie. The MGM version looks as if it has been colourised at the expense of contrast.
Has anyone else done a comparison between the two?
I haven't seen the Criterion version, but all VHS and TV versions I have seen have had the gray appearance you describe. So I assume that was the natural colouring of the film, and this version has been "treated" somehow. I noticed that in some scenes, faces had unnatural skin-tones... kind of orange. I turned the colour down a couple of notches on my TV, and it made the film look normal again.
can't remember who asked the question but.
In robocop 1 when Officer Lewis is being told of for interfearing because she questioned robocop. There are some marks that appear on her face for a split second.
I slowed down the film and noticed they looked like water marks or something like that.
Cant remember that in the CC
RoboCop4
07-02-2002, 08:36
Originally posted by SqueakyG
I haven't seen the Criterion version, but all VHS and TV versions I have seen have had the gray appearance you describe. So I assume that was the natural colouring of the film, and this version has been "treated" somehow. I noticed that in some scenes, faces had unnatural skin-tones... kind of orange. I turned the colour down a couple of notches on my TV, and it made the film look normal again.
Thanks for the reply SqueakyG. It's a bit irritatating that they have played around with the colour & contrast. All-in-all, I'm not <u>that</u> impressed with this MGM SE - and shan't be getting rid of my CC copy in a hurry.
Originally posted by whitty
I dont remember that...
I thought - His right hand was blown away and his left was just shot up a bit. Thats why they say they were able to save one arm. then they say loose it.
I'm pretty sure his whole right <u>arm</u> (i.e. from shoulder down) is shown getting removed from a gunshot (can a single gunshot really do that?) in the DC. In the theatrical cut one moment his right arm is intact, the next it's missing, hence the continuity error.
Hmm... tempted to get this now, but I'm not sure how my player(s) will handle the branching. I may just wait to see if this turns up cheap on a sale somewhere, or wait to see what the R1 is like.... (I got rid of my Criterion when I heard the details of the SE :rolleyes: )
kerbcrawler
07-02-2002, 10:14
Since I prefer to believe both Criterion and P.Verhoeven have integrity, and since the CC version of Robo1 has a director approved transfer, would it not stand to reason that the CC print - it's grey look and it's aspect ratio - is how the director wanted it to look rather than the glossy blue tinted version now available?
I know the CC edition is non-anamorphic and lacks a 5.1/DTS mix but I think I'm gonna' stick with it and maybe pick up a copy of Robo2 if ever it is released as a standalone product.
The director can keep his version. When I forst watched the Criterion version the picture was very grainy and speckely. The R2 is Very nice....
Plus you get a free Coaster and an extra Frisbie.
RoboCop4
07-02-2002, 10:35
Originally posted by whitty
The director can keep his version. When I forst watched the Criterion version the picture was very grainy and speckely.
Surely that's because it's NTSC and non-anamorphic? I agree that the R2 version has a much sharper print, and I salute MGM for it - but why did they have to give it a [blue] tint and make it so damn dark? :(
As for the 1.85 cropping - well, it doesn't bother me that much. There's not a lot of detail lost.
Originally posted by kerbcrawler
Since I prefer to believe both Criterion and P.Verhoeven have integrity, and since the CC version of Robo1 has a director approved transfer, would it not stand to reason that the CC print - it's grey look and it's aspect ratio - is how the director wanted it to look rather than the glossy blue tinted version now available?
I agree with the colour changes opinion (that is, that they are 'wrong' ;) ), but I don't know if you're aware that this is a director approved print for the Criterion laserdisc that came out a fair few years ago ! I daresay that Vehoeven would want a lot better quality print available on DVD (particularly given his involvement with the SEs of his films). Although the AR argument continues ! ;)
Originally posted by RoboCop4
but why did they have to give it a [blue] tint and make it so damn dark? :(
I aggree with you there. Especially in the Drug warehouse scene. Looks dark and a little hazzy.
But I still LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dan Druff
07-02-2002, 11:02
So basically it looks like if you already have the Criterion, then hold onto it (unless a huge fan of Robocop 2). Otherwise wait for the R1 box-set.
Personally I am holding onto the Criterion for the following reasons:
I project it onto a 70" grey screen cut to to 1.66:1 and it looks fantastic.
The slight grain in the image or non-anamorpic transfer is not a problem at all.
The pro-logic sound doesn't bother me in the slightest as it was the same when released in the cinema.
No worries about branching, seamless or otherwise.
As for the extras - I am not an extras lover as I never have the time, I'm one of those DVD buyers where 'extras' are a bonus rather than a necessity (though if I listen to one guy commentating, it'd be Verhoeven).
I like the box. :D
kerbcrawler
07-02-2002, 11:09
Fair comment re the laserdisc f-drew - I hadn't thought of that. However Dan Druff has a valid point re the CC front cover - that design kicks ass.
Originally posted by Dan Druff
So basically it looks like if you already have the Criterion, then hold onto it (unless a huge fan of Robocop 2).
Glad I kept it now.
But I do like RoboCop 2...
Robocop: "Officer Duffy, have a SEAT!"
:D
DeadKenny
07-02-2002, 13:09
Originally posted by whitty
Ive watched the OOP Critereon and picture looked naff. i have not seen the R2 yet as im still at work and am dying to get home and play it.
The OOP robocop looked really stretched on my TV, but if I set it to auto it made it look in correct proportion but it was obviously stretched and looked really crap.
I hope this one is better...
I think you must have had your TV set up incorrectly, as it's certainly not stretched.
The Criterion is in the original 1.66:1 ratio which means on a 4:3 TV you should get thin black bars at the top and bottom. On a 16:9 TV you should get thin bars at the sides and none at the top/bottom, however the problem many people have arises from it not being anamorphic...
Many 16:9 TVs have a 14:9 mode and that's the nearest non-anamorphic mode you can use to show a 1.66:1 film, however if you do a bit of maths on it you'll realise 14/9 is actually 1.55:1, not 1.66:1 and that explains why you get black bars on all sides. The solution if your TV will allow is to go into the relevant setup or engineering menus and tweak 14:9 so it's really 1.66:1.
You should not be using any form of smart mode or anamorphic (wide) modes otherwise it will looked stretched. Some TVs (esp. 100Hz sets) try to be clever and end up picking the wrong mode for you or stretching it.
The only complaint I've got about the CC edition therefore is it's not anamorphic. Despite arguments by many that 1.66:1 doesn't need to be, I feel it should for the above reasons (plus the fact that some 50Hz sets show up visible scan-line gaps in 14:9 mode). If it was anamorphic, the TV would be in wide mode just like all other anamorphic DVDs and you'd have hard-matted bars at the sides. It's the simplest solution for people who can't understand their TV.
Other than that though, it's a cleaned up print and a very good transfer, director approved in the original ratio, uncut, without pauses for branching, and is about as close to the intended cinema experience the director wanted as you can get. It's not "touched up" by certain remastering techniques studios use, which some may prefer (and that's what Criterion is all about, they're not interested in digital "clean-up", adding in extra CGI work, changing the original colours, doing 5.1s from original stereo/surround tracks, etc). That's not to say that MGM's effort isn't good. It may look like a brand new film compared to the original (too new or 'processed'?) and sounds better (but different), but remember that MGM's is "Directors Cut" whereas the CC is "Director Approved". DCs on DVD sometimes don't involve the director or his/her approval at all.
I can see your point Deadkenny. I had it set to 16x9 and not 14x9. I had massive bars at the top and bottom and faces looked stretched horizontally.
When I had the CC I liked it and watched it a few times in 1 week. Its just my opinion and I can see others opinions when they say they like it in the Original directors Chioce. but I prefer the Best Quality that can be obtained. As Ive said before the Cuts that have been put back in for me do nothing for the story line, its just more BLOOD to me (I like the version I first saw). ( but thats just my 2p).
I CC version is a good film and if you have it then keep it. But the price of the CC being sold at the moment Id prefer the R2.
(Be Gentle)
Rob
Michael Brooke
07-02-2002, 13:57
<B>DCs on DVD sometimes don't involve the director or his/her approval at all.</B>
The term is meaningless to me, as it’s been so abused over the last ten years or so – it’s usually shorthand for “a longer cut that may or may not be director-approved”.
For some bizarre reason, people seem to think that the longest version is automatically going to be the best, despite often overwhelming evidence to the contrary – not to mention the fact that quite a few genuinely director-approved cuts are actually <U>shorter</U> than the original release version (<I>Lawrence of Arabia, Blade Runner</I> and <I>Picnic at Hanging Rock</I> all spring to mind).
Similarly, the only current DVD edition of <I>Dawn of the Dead</I> that actually bears George A Romero’s signature is, significantly, <U>not</U> the version being marketed as “the director’s cut” – because Romero’s own preferred version is the shorter theatrical cut.
A case that rammed home just how meaningless the term is was when a Budd Boetticher western was prepared for video in a version with additional footage put back in. Unfortunately, Boetticher was none too happy about this, as he’d removed the footage in the first place because he felt it interfered with the pacing, and asked for it to be taken out again. The distributor refused… and still marketed the result as “the director’s cut”! (I don’t think Boetticher had the resources to sue).
fattyboombatty
07-02-2002, 20:03
Originally posted by Ol' Blue Eyes
Tried it out this evening on my Panasonic and no pauses whatsoever in the extended sequences. Maybe it'd be worth listing the players which have problems.
well just for the record my crrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrappy grundig(orion)gdv230 has massive pauses with the DC. i swear i could brew a pot of tea in between the "seamless" branching. it happens about 4 times, always when the chapter jumps to next chapter. it even stops the commentary mid sentence.
seamless my arse!!!:mad:
Originally posted by fattyboombatty
seamless my arse!!!:mad:
Well the advert says "Seamless Integration" IIRC.
To be fair it is "seamless" to the fact that it's not like a laserdisc where you have to program the player to play chapters in a different order. That is, there's no effort (beyond choosing an option on a mernu) to provide the different cuts.
However, I've seen noticable layer change type pauses between some scenes so it's not 'seamless' in the DVD sense of the word ! :rolleyes:
Can I ask, where are the pauses that people are noticing.
I have noticed 1 which is the part where Mr Kenny (or Kinny) whatever- Raises his gun at ED.
Thiats it - and its on a Sony 735s
Originally posted by Bapapapa
urruri - that question has already been answered, in this very thread. :rolleyes:
:nuts: :nuts: :nuts:
SqueakyG
08-02-2002, 14:53
Originally posted by whitty
Can I ask, where are the pauses that people are noticing.
I have noticed 1 which is the part where Mr Kenny (or Kinny) whatever- Raises his gun at ED.
I have noticed:
The pause for the ED-209 scene, at the point where Kinney raises his gun.
A huge pause (of at least a second) at the factory scene near the end, right after Robocop has shot the baby food.
A pause straight after the scene where Boddicker is killed, when Robocop is driving back to the OCP building (very noticable, since a car is moving fast, right where the pause is).
I haven't noticed the other pauses, but I have noticed that all the "added violence" scenes have a worse film print than the rest of the film -- darker and grainier -- and this makes the shots stand out.
Originally posted by SqueakyG
I have noticed:
The pause for the ED-209 scene, at the point where Kinney raises his gun.
A huge pause (of at least a second) at the factory scene near the end, right after Robocop has shot the baby food.
A pause straight after the scene where Boddicker is killed, when Robocop is driving back to the OCP building (very noticable, since a car is moving fast, right where the pause is).
I haven't noticed the other pauses, but I have noticed that all the "added violence" scenes have a worse film print than the rest of the film -- darker and grainier -- and this makes the shots stand out.
I will check these tonight. I just skipped through to the Extra bits to see what happened when the scene came on.
Jimmyboy
08-02-2002, 16:28
Originally posted by SqueakyG
I have noticed:
The pause for the ED-209 scene, at the point where Kinney raises his gun.
A huge pause (of at least a second) at the factory scene near the end, right after Robocop has shot the baby food.
A pause straight after the scene where Boddicker is killed, when Robocop is driving back to the OCP building (very noticable, since a car is moving fast, right where the pause is).
I haven't noticed the other pauses, but I have noticed that all the "added violence" scenes have a worse film print than the rest of the film -- darker and grainier -- and this makes the shots stand out.
Can you give me the clock time when these pauses happen so I check 'em out as well.
fattyboombatty
08-02-2002, 21:09
Originally posted by SqueakyG
I have noticed:
The pause for the ED-209 scene, at the point where Kinney raises his gun.
A huge pause (of at least a second) at the factory scene near the end, right after Robocop has shot the baby food.
A pause straight after the scene where Boddicker is killed, when Robocop is driving back to the OCP building (very noticable, since a car is moving fast, right where the pause is).
I haven't noticed the other pauses, but I have noticed that all the "added violence" scenes have a worse film print than the rest of the film -- darker and grainier -- and this makes the shots stand out.
thats exactly right! i noticed all those pauses and i totally agree about the added scenes, much darker and they do stand out. i'm very unimpressed with the DC version. they should have just stuck all the footage in the deleted section as it adds nothing to the film and is a waste of time, in my opinion. i'm glad i only payed £25, now.:D
DeadKenny
09-02-2002, 21:05
Originally posted by fattyboombatty
thats exactly right! i noticed all those pauses and i totally agree about the added scenes, much darker and they do stand out. i'm very unimpressed with the DC version. they should have just stuck all the footage in the deleted section as it adds nothing to the film and is a waste of time, in my opinion. i'm glad i only payed £25, now.:D
Add nothing? They enhance the satire of the film with some sheer over the top violence.
P.S. On the Criterion version you don't see any difference because it's the whole uncut film aproved by the director not just MGM sticking in some bad quality prints. They're not deleted scenes in the criterion. :D
Jimmyboy
11-02-2002, 02:05
I noticed a total of 3 pause's throughout Robocop although 1 can be put down to a real layer change (babyfood shoot up pause).
The other 2 arent really distracting, blink and you'll probably miss it. Some of the added shots do appear to be grainier than the cinema print. Its still not that distracting though as we're talking about shots that last less than a second.
So not perfect but still the best version available.
I get the feeling that an eventual R1 release of Robocop will be DC only without the option of the normal release.
The annoying thing about it though is that they could of used branching to remove the extended scene's rather than using branching to add the extending scenes.
Surely that would have made more sense ?.
DeadKenny
11-02-2002, 12:27
It's possible the R1 will get the seamless branching right. It seems there's a problem with seamless branching on R2s. T2 couldn't do it the same as the R1 either.
Still, the CC version is the only director approved 1.66:1 version and I doubt the R1 MGM will be 1.66:1.
Jimmyboy
11-02-2002, 15:21
Originally posted by DeadKenny
It's possible the R1 will get the seamless branching right. It seems there's a problem with seamless branching on R2s. T2 couldn't do it the same as the R1 either.
Its possible, but seemless branching costs a heck of alot of money, and some how I dont think MGM will bother, especially as we're only talking about a few more seconds of added violence rather than extra scene's (which was the case with T2).
It would cheaper and easier for MGM just to stick the R1 out as a DC only, thats what the American CC release was anyway so thats probably what people will expect & want.
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