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Well here we are again...
West brom Saturday...And hopefully the return of Torres, who we're starting to miss.
Although Kuyt has stepped up manfully.
Time for a new thread and if that ones goes the same way as this one then action including banning discussions regarding certain teams will be added to the rules of this forum.
saltysam
06-11-2008, 16:07
Kuyt was gash on Tuesday.It's pretty scary we had to bring the rookie Ngog on to try and rescue the game the other night.lack of goals could cost us.let's hope Torres clicks straight back into form.
I find Kuyt seems to do better when he's up front than on the wing.
If he has to beat a man he's stuffed. But he does wonder into the box if the ball is on the other wing.
But he's honest and is happy to play for us, which sometimes is worth more than a stroppy fancy dan.
I find Kuyt seems to do better when he's up front than on the wing.
If he has to beat a man he's stuffed. But he does wonder into the box if the ball is on the other wing.
But he's honest and is happy to play for us, which sometimes is worth more than a stroppy fancy dan.
not really surprising though is it, as he was a striker when you bought him.
saltysam
06-11-2008, 16:34
Keane needs to start showing more and quickly.he's really struggling at the moment.
N'Gog needs to just keep the hell away from the first XI - he looks woefully short of the quality needed. He doesn't seem to have any physical attributes that we can mould into a top draw player. Another striker in January is just a must whether its Heskey, Owen etc but we badly need reinforcing there. We'll end up recalling Voronin at this rate :D
N'Gog needs to just keep the hell away from the first XI - he looks woefully short of the quality needed. He doesn't seem to have any physical attributes that we can mould into a top draw player. Another striker in January is just a must whether its Heskey, Owen etc but we badly need reinforcing there. We'll end up recalling Voronin at this rate :D
It's a bit hard to judge him though as he's had no time in the team...
He looked ok in pre-season...But Rafa needs to give him more game time. Carling cup is soon, so maybe we may see more of him, Pacheco and Nemeth...
Or perhaps he needs to loan them out to get first team experience.
I've honestly not seen anything remotely promising about him - doesn't seem to have any pace, skill, physical ability, height or anything that makes me think he should be in the first XI. Normally I'm fully prepared to give players a chance before deciding on them but he just does nothing for me at all. Looks like he should be come off the bench for a relegation side rather than our 4th choice striker behind Babel, Torres and Keane.
At least someone like Nemeth looks the business in some form but he doesn't get anywhere near the first team ahead of N'Gog :(
saltysam
06-11-2008, 18:30
Pacheco and Nemeth...
Memeth is injured and Pacheco has been poor for the ressies this season.in fact the reserve team in general has been poor,last 3 games lost.apparently a number of the squad are unhappy they weren't considered for the Crew game.
morleyian
06-11-2008, 22:40
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/7714326.stm
Not another one :brickwall
soberion
06-11-2008, 22:50
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/7714326.stm
Not another one :brickwall
You think with the money they are on, they'd notice a pattern and invest in some good security. Some CCTV at the least.
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N162002081107-1049.htm
talks to begin for a new deal for rafa :D
AdamBrunt
07-11-2008, 11:56
It's definitely a good sign that Rafa has been pushing for a new contract for months now, even though his existing deal already keeps him here until June 2010.
eye__writ
07-11-2008, 21:24
It's definitely a good sign that Rafa has been pushing for a new contract for months now, even though his existing deal already keeps him here until June 2010.
Well I'd want a new contract sorted sharpish too if the business I worked for was getting new owners soon! If they wanna bring in their own big man then I'd be stuffed. :lol:
Still great news for us though, I can't express how much respect I have for Rafa. I was thinking of getting his Max and Paddy beard tattoo'ed on my face to get the message across.
Anyway, I've got a feeling we're going to do West Brom severely tomorrow. The amount of chances we've created the past month has been scary, and with our golden haired boy-god back in the team we're due to plunder a hatful! Can't wait!! :D
AdamBrunt
07-11-2008, 21:26
Well I'd want a new contract sorted sharpish too if the business I worked for was getting new owners soon! If they wanna bring in their own big man then I'd be stuffed. :lol:
But he's contracted for at least another season anyway - long after G+H will, allegedly, have sold up.
And then there is a train of thought that suggests any new owner would be mad, publicity and "not immediately ******* off all the fans" wise, to get rid of Rafa.
Anyway, I've got a feeling we're going to do West Brom severely tomorrow. The amount of chances we've created the past month has been scary, and with our golden haired boy-god back in the team we're due to plunder a hatful! Can't wait!! :D
I hope you're right ... but I'd happily take any sort of win as well ;)
At least it's a late kick-off which means I don't have to be up at the crack of dawn to get to the game like usual :)
BlueDwarf
08-11-2008, 12:58
Looking good at the Emirates.
Well we need to win today now to keep a nice gap ahead of Arsenal and Man U...
We don't get all 3 points today and we don't deserve to be anywhere near the top.
Reina, Arbeloa, Aurelio, Agger, Carragher, Mascherano, Gerrard, Kuyt, Benayoun, Riera, Keane.
Subs: Cavalieri, Hyypia, Torres, Alonso, Babel, Insua, El Zhar.
Thought Torres might be on the bench - midweek against Spurs in the CC will be an ideal game for him to start to get his fitness.
Ngog didn't impress rafa during the week then ;)?
Should be a win today lets hope we can put some chances away today. It would be good for Keane to break his premiership duck.
Robbie gets his first goal.
soberion
08-11-2008, 17:19
And his second :D
TigaSefi
08-11-2008, 17:31
Why did we ever think Scott Carson was great ? or it down to dodgy defences in West Brom and Charlton ?
Nice comfortable win that - great to see Keane on the scoresheet and a nice finish from Arbeloa to get some nice fantasy league points :D
Bloody Arbeloa :mad:
I had my IKTS banker on us to win 2-0 :lol:
Stevie G
08-11-2008, 18:51
Yeah, nice easy win that. Probably the ideal game for us after the last week (the defeat and then the fortunate draw!) Good to see keane off the mark in the league. Hopefully he can start putting a few more in. I'd like to see him, Torres and Kuyt all up front on teams we should be beating. I'd rather see us finish games off sooner, and risking letting in the odd goal shouldn't be too much of a concern with the quality we have.
Hopefully we'll take the smile off Harry's face on Wednesday! :)
lets hope Ince can do one for us tomorrow.
Keano
his names not ****in keano... robbie keane... robbie keane :D
glad he got a double hope he settles down now and just lets instinct take over.
maybe they worked all week on the training ground for how they could help keane... i didnt see him once with his back to goal flat footed with his hand up like he has been for most of the games this season. i'm delighted for um.
not beothered about wednesday tbh... hope we play the young team and just get it over with... we want to focus on the PL.
not beothered about wednesday tbh... hope we play the young team and just get it over with... we want to focus on the PL.
Carling Cup is there on a plate - Torres needs the start along with the likes of Babel and Hyypia. I wonder if Degen is fit yet as he may have to play with Arbeloa's imminent 1 game suspension.
AdamBrunt
09-11-2008, 01:11
Does anyone know what happens to the West Ham game if we get through on Wednesday ?? Will it get postponed, or brought forward like the Everton game will be if we're still in the Carling Cup then as well ?
As for today's (or should that be yesterday's) game ... I didn't think we are anywhere near our best today - very slow to get started. Chuffed for Keane to get 2 but if I was him I would be well ****** off to be taken off (again !!!) when I had a chance of a hattrick. And how the hell did Benayoun stay on for the full 90 ??!!??
I wonder if Degen is fit yet as he may have to play with Arbeloa's imminent 1 game suspension.
He was on the bench on Tuesday so he should be.
Whatever happens to the West Ham game, please don't let it be our game in hand for the next 6 months. I think I would kill myself. :help:
BlueDwarf
09-11-2008, 12:33
Might not have been the greatest game last night, but it was good to get back to winning ways, and better to see Keane finally get off the mark in the Prem with us.
I guess Torres will be given a run in the Carling game to help him get back to match fitness, but I don't want to see any other main-11 risked.
AdamBrunt
09-11-2008, 14:49
Carling Cup is there on a plate
Depending on what sort of team we & Spurs put out on Wednesday ... the big 4 could well make up half the teams in the quarter finals. With a lucky draw we could miss all of them whilst 2 of them are drawn together ... but I wouldn't say it was there on a plate.
I can also see Spurs putting out a very strong team - being holders and all.
I guess Torres will be given a run in the Carling game to help him get back to match fitness, but I don't want to see any other main-11 risked.
The mate I go to the games with hopes we get knocked out either on Wednesday or the last 8 as he doesn't want to miss the derby - which he will unless we go out.
As for today's (or should that be yesterday's) game ... I didn't think we are anywhere near our best today - very slow to get started. Chuffed for Keane to get 2 but if I was him I would be well ****** off to be taken off (again !!!) when I had a chance of a hattrick.
yip i felt sorry for him getting taken off when he still had nearly 20 mins to maybe get a hatrick. it would have given him that extra boost/probably fulfilled a life long ambition too! maybe rafa is still hacked off that he tried to show boat rather than finish the job in madrid :)
definitely do not want torres risked for a bloody CC game! put the kids out, get bossed and let spurs continue to think 'arrys the messiah.
I would rather put a mix of kids and reserves out to get a good run in the competition and get some experience so they are ready to step up!
AdamBrunt
09-11-2008, 20:09
definitely do not want torres risked for a bloody CC game!
I can still remember sitting in the Reading home end last year watching as Torres lay on ground after 2 minutes - thinking he was not going to get up !!! - and then watching as he got kicked all over the park for the rest of the match and yet he still scored a brilliant hattrick.
However, injury can happen anywhen. Who's to say that if he doesn't play on Wednesday he won't do his hamstring again at Bolton anyway ?
I think it's a tough call as to what Rafa is going to do. A fully fit Torres didn't start against Crewe (but did play the final 30 mins when we were already winning). It could be argued that being out for 6 weeks, Torres needs to get competitive minutes under his belt ASAP - but as you say, it is only the Carling Cup.
definitely do not want torres risked for a bloody CC game! put the kids out, get bossed and let spurs continue to think 'arrys the messiah.
He needs match practice - Spurs ain't going to be hacking away at him anyway.
I agree to an extent - but i really do want to see some our young talent get some games.
Keano
Just seen this. He gave an interview saying he did NOT want to be referred to as that, because it was the nickname given to Roy keane, the dirty Manu player.
He must be as childish as some of the Liverpool fans who agree with him on this. What's wrong with chanting Keano? :nuts:
He's Irish and when he plays for Ireland he is called Keano (and when he played for Spurs he was called Keano). I am Irish and in Ireland anyone with the surname Keane automatically becomes Keano (even old women), so I will continue to call him Keano if you don't mind.
I don't mind at all mate.
Lets just hope he doesn't have the same mates as Carra's though - or you're be appearing in his inevitable autobiography :lol:
He's Irish and when he plays for Ireland he is called Keano (and when he played for Spurs he was called Keano). I am Irish and in Ireland anyone with the surname Keane automatically becomes Keano (even old women), so I will continue to call him Keano if you don't mind.
dont mind.
but if your at any games soon and he scores try to refrain the keano chant... when he scored against PSV i got caught up in it and joined in with the keano chanting that the area of the kop i was in started... which received a healthy amount of hisses and scorn. i learned my lesson.
the song for keane to the tune of 'let it be' makes it clear :D
dont mind.
but if your at any games soon and he scores try to refrain the keano chant... when he scored against PSV i got caught up in it and joined in with the keano chanting that the area of the kop i was in started... which received a healthy amount of hisses and scorn. i learned my lesson.
the song for keane to the tune of 'let it be' makes it clear :D
The whole ground did it to be fair and then cheered when he did his cartwheel pump fist thingy...
AdamBrunt
10-11-2008, 10:53
he didn't do that on Saturday did he ? Don't remember seeing it.
rustybin
10-11-2008, 11:10
From years of seeing Utd in the 90s, I was under the impression that there's only one Keano?
think its a bit premature from keane :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7719642.stm
ok so he got a double in a game against the team tipped for the relegation battle... when he scores in three games on the spin or something then he can say his goal drought woud end. he will look silly if he goes back in to headless chicken mode for the next few games.
think its a bit premature from keane :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7719642.stm
ok so he got a double in a game against the team tipped for the relegation battle... when he scores in three games on the spin or something then he can say his goal drought woud end. he will look silly if he goes back in to headless chicken mode for the next few games.
Well compared to our last number 7 he's bloody Pele...
saltysam
11-11-2008, 14:08
Was at the ground for Marseille tickets this morning and i see we've sold our allocation for tomorrow night...hopefully we'll have a go at least at winning.
Just seen this. He gave an interview saying he did NOT want to be referred to as that, because it was the nickname given to Roy keane, the dirty Manu player.
Source please?
AdamBrunt
11-11-2008, 15:45
Was at the ground for Marseille tickets this morning and i see we've sold our allocation for tomorrow night
That's surprising. Midweek game, live on Sky, unlikely to be a lot of the first team playing and Spurs IIRC charging £35+ for a ticket !!!
hopefully we'll have a go at least at winning.
Progressing wouldn't do us any harm, certainly for another round at least [ and maybe that'll bring the West Ham game forward as well - so I don't miss it ;) ]
Rafa's comments about Gerrard needing a rest (in the papers this morning) would suggest that he has little chance of playing tomorrow.
saltysam
11-11-2008, 15:50
Rafa's comments about Gerrard needing a rest (in the papers this morning) would suggest that he has little chance of playing tomorrow. He's not in the squad and neither is Keane.
AdamBrunt
11-11-2008, 16:03
Just read that on the official site ... looks like Torres could well start the game.
Source please?
He said it on TV after the PSV game, I believe. It was highlighted on this thread (not by me) at the time.
TigaSefi
12-11-2008, 09:33
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/liverpool/article5134437.ece
Tut tut... Sell up I say to the gutless American *******.
Its all conjecture again though - no hard facts to back it up with as per usual with newspapers. Just some 'expert' who is trying to guess what the situation is behind the scenes.
AdamBrunt
12-11-2008, 09:44
As john316 says its all conjecture on the paper's part - especially the claim that we will have to sell Torres and Babel. After all, why sell Babel ? If we're desperate for money we'd sell Gerrard before Babel surely.
And if the worst comes to the worst, they'll just take the Sheikh's offer which is still on the table.
Independent reporting it as well (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/banks-could-force-sale-of-vulnerable-liverpool-1012153.html)
I don't think there will be any need to sell players but I doubt those two will be able to stay around much longer.
saltysam
12-11-2008, 11:41
There is no smoke without fire-what a mess.
AdamBrunt
12-11-2008, 11:48
It must a long simmering fire then ... the story about having to sell Torres and Babel first appeared nearly 12 months ago.
Local reports maintain the sheikh's offer is still on the table - G+H will take that first before having to give the club to the bank.
saltysam
12-11-2008, 11:55
It must a long simmering fire then ... the story about having to sell Torres and Babel first appeared nearly 12 months ago.
so you reckon everything is hunky dory at the club then and we have no financial problems at all? if that's the case maybe we can sue Harris for his untrue statements?
Local reports maintain the sheikh's offer is still on the table - G+H will take that first before having to give the club to the bank.
why haven't they taken it yet? The stories about their financial difficulties appeared not long after they took over the club.
AdamBrunt
12-11-2008, 11:59
so you reckon everything is hunky dory at the club then and we have no financial problems at all? if that's the case maybe we can sue Harris for his untrue statements?
when did I say that ??
Of course everything is not hunky dory but to suggest that we'll be selling Torres/Babel/anyone anytime soon is pure nonsense and lazy journalism.
Worst case scenario ... G+H forfeit the club to the bank who then sell it to the highest bidder. Before it even gets to that stage though, IMO, G+H would have sold up of their own accord.
AdamBrunt
12-11-2008, 12:01
why haven't they taken it yet? The stories about their financial difficulties appeared not long after they took over the club.
Because, quite simply, (a) they still believe they'll be able to refinance the deal in January (which is all they need to do) and (b) they (and Hicks in particular) still think the club is worth more than what the Sheikh is offering (allegedly £500M).
If Oliver Kay is to believed, they only recently (within the last week) turned down 1 offer to sell so, if that's true, they are definitely looking to sell.
so you believe one journalist over another? Or do you speak to G&H regularly?
saltysam
12-11-2008, 12:16
Adam quotes from the newspapers probably more than anyone else in this thread but is quick to dismiss anything he reads that he doesn't like or agree with :nuts:
AdamBrunt
12-11-2008, 12:24
so you believe one journalist over another? Or do you speak to G&H regularly?
Adam quotes from the newspapers probably more than anyone else in this thread but is quick to dismiss anything he reads that he doesn't like or agree with :nuts:
Not at all ... but I do take more notice of stories that contain NEW information over stories that are just rehashes of year old news !!!
Everyone knows G+H have to refinance the £350M in January - this is nothing new
saltysam
12-11-2008, 12:36
Everyone knows G+H have to refinance the £350M in January - this is nothing new Which probably they could've done with no trouble up to 4-5 months ago...you don't think this credit crunch has changed things? so i'd say it is a new development!
AdamBrunt
12-11-2008, 14:37
Which probably they could've done with no trouble up to 4-5 months ago...you don't think this credit crunch has changed things? so i'd say it is a new development!
But the banks lending G+H the money have been in trouble for months.
Anyway ... regarding tonight's game, I see Benoit Assou-Ekotto can not play due to suspension (presumably for his red card on Sunday). Does this mean Arbeloa can serve his suspension tonight as well or do 5 yellows work differently to 1 red ?
LouBarlow
12-11-2008, 14:50
do 5 yellows work differently to 1 red ?
I think they possibly do. I seem to remember a few games after is when the ban takes place but could be wrong.
AdamBrunt
12-11-2008, 15:14
I think they possibly do. I seem to remember a few games after is when the ban takes place but could be wrong.
That would tally up with most reports saying Arbeloa will miss the game at the weekend.
AdamBrunt
12-11-2008, 17:58
Torres starts as does Dossena and Degen:
The Liverpool team in full: Cavalieri, Degen, Agger, Hyypia, Dossena, El Zhar, Lucas, Plessis, Babel, Ngog, Torres. Subs: Gulacsi, Riera, Darby, Insua, Benayoun, Carragher.
Spurs apparently:
Gomes, Hutton, Woodgate, Corluka, Bale, Lennon, Jenas, Zokora, O'Hara, Pavlyuchenko, Campbell
Getting murdered here and quite frankly deserve it. But god, Riley is a complete tit!
saltysam
12-11-2008, 19:30
nice to see our shadow squad is ready to step up if needed :mad: 3 and counting.embarrassing.
MaleStrom
12-11-2008, 19:31
:suspect:
we are **** poor and deserve to go out
Lets hope we don't get many injuries to our first choice players this season. We have no one in reserve. Dossena is absolutley woeful.
Woodgate. King. Modric. Bentley. Bent. Enjoy your rest lads. :)
nb: I realise you are fielding even less regulars, but i thought i'd pop it in there, for when someone (Adam ;) ) says we were at full strength, later
AdamBrunt
12-11-2008, 19:33
looks like Rafa doesn't give a **** if we win or lose either.
Riley's booking of Babel was a joke.
What the **** is going on with the defense?
saltysam
12-11-2008, 19:34
Both fullbacks and the goalkeeper look pants. but with a 20 million forward,10 million winger and an 8 million midfielder playing it's not exactly the youth team getting thrashed is it :mad:
saltysam
12-11-2008, 19:36
nice performance for the fans who sold out our allocation a few weeks before xmas :razz:
lukehawkins
12-11-2008, 19:37
As usual Liverpool start a game with no desire and frankly have been torn apart fairly. Now we might start playing some football because in the first half we have been awful. Frankly Spurs have wanted it more. And to any Spurs fan who can read and is gloating about the score when u r joint top of the league and in the champs league still maybe then u can gloat. But yeah well done Spurs your first team is doing well against our monkeys.
saltysam
12-11-2008, 19:39
And to any Spurs fan who can read and is gloating about the score when u r joint top of the league and in the champs league still maybe then u can gloat. But yeah well done Spurs your first team is doing well against our monkeys.what a juvenile post.how old are you :oh-hum:
Fever Dawg
12-11-2008, 19:39
Woodgate. King. Modric. Bentley. Bent. Enjoy your rest lads. :)
nb: I realise you are fielding even less regulars, but i thought i'd pop it in there, for when someone (Adam ;) ) says we were at full strength, later
Less than 5 minutes later ... :lol:
But yeah well done Spurs your first team is doing well against our monkeys.
And to any Spurs fan who can read and is gloating about the score when u r joint top of the league and in the champs league still maybe then u can gloat.
Haven't seen any of that, it's just a bit of banter. :thumbs:
slideymoo
12-11-2008, 19:41
Woodgate. King. Modric. Bentley. Bent. Enjoy your rest lads. :)
nb: I realise you are fielding even less regulars, but i thought i'd pop it in there, for when someone (Adam ;) ) says we were at full strength, later
I doubt any spurs fan wouldve said bent was a first teamer 3 weeks ago and king plays twice a year ;p
Cavlieri, degan and dossena have been awful, is lucas actually playing? Spurs have done well, only elz and babel have looked like doing anything for liv.
What a clown that ref is, I'm not sure any of the bookings were deserved especially campbells and torres.
BlueDwarf
12-11-2008, 19:42
Ngog makes Voronin looks good. :lol:
I just hope we don't risk any more 1st-teamers chasing this game.
lukehawkins
12-11-2008, 19:43
Dont take it the wrong way ladies, i just mean in none of our positions r we playing out first choices apart from Torres. Where as in alot of your positions u r playing first teamers. To be fair resting King isnt exactly resting, he struggles to play consecutive games anyways. But u guys bask in your glory the second half will be ours, if only Keane was on the bench to come on and score the winner, that would be sweet!
AdamBrunt
12-11-2008, 19:44
What a clown that ref is, I'm not sure any of the bookings were deserved especially campbells and torres.
Did the TV actually show what Torres was alleged to have done. I also liked the Plessis booking as well ... yes it a stupid tackle but the Spurs player went over because he trod on Plessis' foot :lol:
I just hope we don't risk any more 1st-teamers chasing this game.
Exactly which of the wealth of first teamers on the bench do you think can rescue the game ? Alonso, maybe.
lukehawkins
12-11-2008, 19:46
And to be fair anyone who managed to read my full post, i said Spurs deserved their lead and that they wanted it more, but most saw some of the more real parts of the post and decided to complain. Fair play to spurs u have played well. But in the words of some idiot, football is two half's and don't write us off!
BlueDwarf
12-11-2008, 19:54
Exactly which of the wealth of first teamers on the bench do you think can rescue the game ? Alonso, maybe.
None can rescue it, just hope Rafa doesn't waste them trying.
Don't want to see anyone on the bench exerting themselves chasing the Carling Cup.
Can we just take off 4 players and concede a 2-0?
Two hat-tricks on now.
saltysam
12-11-2008, 19:55
There really isn't much below our main first team is there.what happened to the two top players for every position Rafa wanted :lol:
BlueDwarf
12-11-2008, 19:59
Torres off, so Rafa has seen sense.
lukehawkins
12-11-2008, 20:01
I dont seem to recall any game in which we have played our reserves when we have actually played well? Now i realize why Degan hasn't featured for us before. I always remember him playing for the Swiss and he seemed good. We have been awful. Also is Lucas Brazilian? He seems to play a fair bit and he can never pass to anyone!
BlueDwarf
12-11-2008, 20:03
Lucas runs around with his wavy hair, but he doesn't actually do anything.
slideymoo
12-11-2008, 20:04
What this game has shown is that there really isnt any cover beyond the main 15 players (reina, arbs carra skittles agger aurelio, kuyt gerrard mash alonso riera yossi babel, torres keane)
Maybe elzhar and insua and hyypia too.
saltysam
12-11-2008, 20:04
the team that started cost around 65 million.with the money spent on some of the dross out there tonight no wonder we have no more to spend :oh-hum:
As usual Liverpool start a game with no desire and frankly have been torn apart fairly. Now we might start playing some football because in the first half we have been awful. Frankly Spurs have wanted it more. And to any Spurs fan who can read and is gloating about the score when u r joint top of the league and in the champs league still maybe then u can gloat. But yeah well done Spurs your first team is doing well against our monkeys.
The usual level of dirge posted in this thread has been lowered significantly by your post.
Well done.
BlueDwarf
12-11-2008, 20:07
****. Alonso is coming on.
At least El Zahr looks decent.
slideymoo
12-11-2008, 20:10
How much was spurs starting lineup tho?
lukehawkins
12-11-2008, 20:12
The usual level of dirge posted in this thread has been lowered significantly by your post.
Well done.
Ok then, how would u have put the first half? Instead of criticizing sir. We played badly Spurs were the better side and they deserved their lead. But we are playing our reserves. Maybe i didn't put it in the best way. But hows about u throw your hat in the ring and say how u feel instead of being a baby about it!
BlueDwarf
12-11-2008, 20:15
Please stop saying "u" instead of "you".
This is not the Daily Star "Text Maniacs".
Ok then, how would u have put the first half? Instead of criticizing sir. We played badly Spurs were the better side and they deserved their lead. But we are playing our reserves. Maybe i didn't put it in the best way. But hows about u throw your hat in the ring and say how u feel instead of being a baby about it!
Post number 81.
Now grow up and stop talking *****.
lukehawkins
12-11-2008, 20:17
Aside from our petty arguing, i hope Gomez will recover. Never nice to see that happen to anyone even when we r playing as bad as we are!
lovegroova
12-11-2008, 20:21
Alonso's showing his class. Liverpool are much better with him on the pitch.
lukehawkins - where did you suddenly spring from? And could you go back there please? Judging by your posts it'll be some kindergarten somewhere.
lukehawkins
12-11-2008, 20:22
Post number 81.
Now grow up and stop talking *****.
Hahahahaha awesome. I love baiting people who seem more interested in starting arguments that actually engage someone in a meaningful debate!
Hahahahaha awesome. I love baiting people who seem more interested in starting arguments that actually engage someone in a meaningful debate!
Who the **** are you?
What argument did I start? And what debate are you actually engaged in? A debatge usually involves more that one person.
lukehawkins
12-11-2008, 20:26
lukehawkins - where did you suddenly spring from? And could you go back there please? Judging by your posts it'll be some kindergarten somewhere.
Yeah a kindergarten cos i am the only one who voiced my concern about Gomez when all u lot were busying thinking of your clearly whitty remarks about my posts.
I am sorry if i ruffled the feathers of the dvdforum's clique that is always here. I apologize if anyone got any feelings hurt! I was looking for a bit of banter and fun with some spurs fan. Nothing nasty. But it seems everyone came rushing after me with their friendly remarks. My bad!
LouBarlow
12-11-2008, 20:28
Mike Riley is a bald faced ****
Yeah a kindergarten cos i am the only one who voiced my concern about Gomez when all u lot were busying thinking of your clearly whitty remarks about my posts.
I am sorry if i ruffled the feathers of the dvdforum's clique that is always here. I apologize if anyone got any feelings hurt! I was looking for a bit of banter and fun with some spurs fan. Nothing nasty. But it seems everyone came rushing after me with their friendly remarks. My bad!
If you bothered to look in the Spurs thread you will see that a number of Liverpool fans have expressed their concern about Gomez and wished him well.
Mike Riley is a bald faced ****
You sir are very, very correct.
lovegroova
12-11-2008, 20:32
Corner!!!!
lukehawkins
12-11-2008, 20:35
If you bothered to look in the Spurs thread you will see that a number of Liverpool fans have expressed their concern about Gomez and wished him well.
See i try and apologize for my remarks and i get another snooty reply from u! Apparently i am spending too long watching the game and not enough time checking other threads to see what other people are talking about. Once again i am sorry if u people got angry will my apparently unfriendly banter with u people. I will keep my thoughts to the game. And separate myself from this argument which i clearly started and will now bring to a finish! Sorry peeps! :) I didnt mean anything by it!
Back to the footie, come on Liverpool! Lets show some heart and get another!
9 minutes!! Will this game never end?
See i try and apologize for my remarks and i get another snooty reply from u! Apparently i am spending too long watching the game and not enough time checking other threads to see what other people are talking about. Once again i am sorry if u people got angry will my apparently unfriendly banter with u people. I will keep my thoughts to the game. And separate myself from this argument which i clearly started and will now bring to a finish! Sorry peeps! :) I didnt mean anything by it!
Back to the footie, come on Liverpool! Lets show some heart and get another!
What?
Have I stumbled into the twilight zone tonight?
lukehawkins
12-11-2008, 20:41
What?
Have I stumbled into the twilight zone tonight?
See once again i try and apologize and bring this thread back to what it should be about, football, after my madness. Which clearly wasnt nice and i said sorry. And someone decides to keep it going. Lets bring this to an end and say fair play to Spurs they were better tonight, well played. I hope Liverpool get a telling off and buck up their ideas next time Rafa wheels out our sloppy reserves!
MaleStrom
12-11-2008, 20:45
Can Liverpool exact their revenge on us every week? :lol:
AdamBrunt
12-11-2008, 20:47
oh dear - what a poor show.
Dire in the first half but we get ourselves back into it and with 20 mins to go and 2 goals down you prepare yourself for the penalty that gets it back to 1 goal and then you realise .... that useless **** Mike Riley is the ref :lol: And that it no way takes anything away from how poor we were.
I did love Alan Smith and his "these Liverpool players are pushing for a starting place" type comments, fully aware that Rafa will make at least NINE changes, to the team that finished tonight, for the game on Saturday.
No disrepect but if I was a Spurs fan, I would be celebrating that injury to Gomez - he is an utter liability.
soberion
12-11-2008, 20:48
My god, that was about as abject a performance fro mus as I've seen in a while. Spurs played us off the park for most of the game.
Totally dejected by that performance.
Can Babel take corners every week? Please?
That was not a fun evening's football. Chelski aint showering themselves in glory, either tho.
Too be honest I am glad it's done with, the league cup is only good if you win it anything else and it's a waste of time.
PL is priorty this season followed by the CL just to play in the final in Rome.
lukehawkins
12-11-2008, 20:57
Too be honest I am glad it's done with, the league cup is only good if you win it anything else and it's a waste of time.
PL is priorty this season followed by the CL just to play in the final in Rome.
Sorry bout earlier mate. I agree but surely our reserves should do better. They didnt look bothered, the easy thing to say would be look at Arsenal, but its true their youngsters look at those games and use them to impress the manager. They give their all to impress. But our players didnt look bothered, we did improve, just a shame that all our spending hasnt given us more depth when we need to rest and rotate!
AdamBrunt
12-11-2008, 20:59
I agree but surely our reserves should do better. They didnt look bothered
Agree with that
the easy thing to say would be look at Arsenal, but its true their youngsters look at those games and use them to impress the manager. They give their all to impress.
Remind me ... what have these so called great Arsenal youngsters won exactly ??
lukehawkins
12-11-2008, 21:03
Agree with that
Remind me ... what have these so called great Arsenal youngsters won exactly ??
Yeah i hear that but they certainly give more. But yes when it comes down to it they do buckle. Just that players like Lucas and Dossena all get bought with potential and reputations, its just a shame they dont seem capable of more input when they get a chance. Would be nice to have our reserves play the same football as Arsenal's tho! And then lose, thats a loss i can take! Ngog is the new Voronin!
AdamBrunt
12-11-2008, 21:05
Dossena's not really a 'reserve' ... he is almost alternating with Aurelio at LB for the first team.
saltysam
12-11-2008, 21:07
Remind me ... what have these so called great Arsenal youngsters won exactly ?? nowt...but i don't think their team that's scored 9 in 2 carling cup games cost anything like the near 70 million ours did tonight
lukehawkins
12-11-2008, 21:09
Dossena's not really a 'reserve' ... he is almost alternating with Aurelio at LB for the first team.
Yeah he does feature alot but he doesnt seem to me to be first team quality. I dunno its just that because of the money and reputation he had i expected more from him. Maybe he needs more time, when we bought him i had heard of him and that he was close to knocking his way into in the Italian team, i havent seen any of that so far. But in his defense the first few times i saw Evra play he was shocking! Now look at him. Maybe Dossena needs time to settle.
MaleStrom
12-11-2008, 21:13
Agree with that
Remind me ... what have these so called great Arsenal youngsters won exactly ??
To be fair, Arsenal harp on about their "kids" every year, but had shut up since the 5-1 mauling.......no doubt they'll come out with the same old crap if we play them again this year.
Wasn't a good night for your lot, but expected them to put up more than they did - they just didn't seem to compete, and had no beef to them. Been a while since a team made us look that good, which must be a bit of a concern for you (especially if any of your best players get injured) :D Having said that, there were a few fringe squad players in our team as well tonight, so gotta say I'm chuffed. :thumbs:
AdamBrunt
12-11-2008, 21:20
Been a while since a team made us look that good, which must be a bit of a concern for you (especially if any of your best players get injured) :D
Well considering our, alleged key player and main striker, has missed a third of the season through injury ... we still seem to doing OK ;)
BlueDwarf
12-11-2008, 21:20
Worrying lack of strength in depth, but no injuries and Torres got a good run, so it wasn't all bad news tonight.
lukehawkins
12-11-2008, 21:21
Also where was Pacheco? Saw him play a few times in preseason and he seemed like a quality little player. But then again i remember a certain Ukrainian player having a good pre season for us not so long ago! Would have been nice to bring him on for a bit to give him a go. Maybe had an impact on the team and produced something.
Luke Hawkins: I think you have your PC set to English (US) spellchecker.
TigaSefi
12-11-2008, 21:41
Shocking lapses in the defence there. All them defenders playing tonight need to go in January and we'll get some proper defenders in that can actually defend!!
:suspect:
wondered about Pacheco also. and Nemeth. where were they?
plessis and lucas together was absolute suicide though, they can only pass square and thats about it. stick one with alonso and we were far better.
as for degen and dossena though... no comment.
lukehawkins
12-11-2008, 21:44
Luke Hawkins: I think you have your PC set to English (US) spellchecker.
Yep it certainly is mate! Was wondering why it kept on correcting me on spelling i knew was right. I mean my spelling isnt usually great but i can spell some things. :thumbs: If i knew how to correct it i would!
AdamBrunt
12-11-2008, 21:44
as for degen and dossena though... no comment.
and there were complaints that people weren't giving Dossena enough time before slagging him off ... at least give Degen more than 1 game :)
And there were times when Degen made Bale look exceedingly ordinary.
Shocking lapses in the defence there. All them defenders playing tonight need to go in January and we'll get some proper defenders in that can actually defend!!
:suspect:
Agger played OK but he was covering for 3 other defenders tonight. At one stage he did the keepers job.
We had one regular starter from the last few weeks ...(Agger) and one regular starter that came on...(Alonso)
Torres is coming back from 6 weeks out and had a good run out.
Rafa has avoided his usual trick of half first team starters, half dross and shown that he is finally taking the League seriously. That was a statement of intent tonight...and he didn't even pick a strong bench.
He is doing what we've been begging for...and that's taking the League seriously.
Granted that second string was crap and I would have liked to see more youth, but deep down I'm glad he's resting the team.
So long as we win in 2 and a half days time...he's done the right thing. An away day at Bolton isn't the easiest game and the fact that 3/4 of the first team are at home is fine in my book.
MaleStrom
12-11-2008, 21:56
We had one regular starter from the last few weeks ...(Agger) and one regular starter that came on...(Alonso)
Torres is coming back from 6 weeks out and had a good run out.
Rafa has avoided his usual trick of half first team starters, half dross and shown that he is finally taking the League seriously. That was a statement of intent tonight...and he didn't even pick a strong bench.
He is doing what we've been begging for...and that's taking the League seriously.
Granted that second string was crap and I would have liked to see more youth, but deep down I'm glad he's resting the team.
So long as we win in 2 and a half days time...he's done the right thing. An away day at Bolton isn't the easiest game and the fact that 3/4 of the first team are at home is fine in my book.
Worth pointing out that we made 7 changes from the team that beat Man City last weekend, so hardly our strongest team either :thumbs:
AdamBrunt
12-11-2008, 21:59
Worth pointing out that we made 7 changes from the team that beat Man City last weekend, so hardly our strongest team either :thumbs:
The point Deron I think is making ... it arguably mattered more to Spurs as it probably your best chance of silverware this season [ though you may just sneak the UEFA Cup ;) ].
No disrepect, but unlike Spurs, Liverpool have far far bigger fish to fry.
Although I can see your point, I wouldn't be surprised to see Spurs finishing fifth, and maybe even challenging for fourth this season, even after their start.
Although I can see your point, I wouldn't be surprised to see Spurs finishing fifth, and maybe even challenging for fourth this season, even after their start.
Don't think so...
Their defence can't keep out goals...I'd be expecting Villa or Everton to finish above them.
Think they'll get into Europe though.
MaleStrom
12-11-2008, 22:09
The point Deron I think is making ... it arguably mattered more to Spurs as it probably your best chance of silverware this season [ though you may just sneak the UEFA Cup ;) ].
No disrepect, but unlike Spurs, Liverpool have far far bigger fish to fry.
Oh, I totally agree with you. It definitely is Spurs best chance at silverware, but is also our easiest route into Europe - it's nice knowing you're already in Europe so soon in the season.......especially given our start to the season :thumbs:
However, it galls a tad when people belittle our win with talk of 2nd strings, when in reality it wasn't our strongest team either :)
Worth pointing out that we made 7 changes from the team that beat Man City last weekend, so hardly our strongest team either :thumbs:
Maybe, but we had starters playing that weren't involved in our first team squad...
Dossena, Degen, Darby, Leiva Lucas, Ngog, Plessis,
Team against West Brom...
Liverpool: Reina, Arbeloa, Agger, Carragher, Aurelio, Benayoun, Mascherano, Gerrard (Alonso 80), Riera (Babel 65), Keane (Torres 72), Kuyt.
Subs Not Used: Cavalieri, Hyypia, Insua, El Zhar.
AdamBrunt
12-11-2008, 22:13
The real downer for me is that it means both the West Ham and Everton games will be on a Monday night now ... 2 more home games I can't get to. At least they're both on TV :)
cheeseypuffs
12-11-2008, 22:21
When we started with Lucas and Plessis in the centre was it any wonder we couldn't create anything, or even keep the ball :shrug: Plessis is a decent defensive midfielder for the future, but I still don't see what Rafa sees in Lucas, and it was a stark contrast when Xabi came on. Also, did anyone else think it was a bit disappointing to give Torres a run out but not pick anyone that could give him decent service, and then to bring Xabi on after he'd been replaced :shrug:
Amongst a lot of pretty poor displays I'd say Babel was the most disappointing, he's supposed to be pressing for a first team start but after a couple of early moments he just disappeared :(
Shame Nemeth's injured because I think he'd have offered a lot more than <s>N'Onymous</s> N'Gog.
However, it galls a tad when people belittle our win with talk of 2nd strings, when in reality it wasn't our strongest team either :)
I wasn't belittling your win...
Far from it, I was making the statement that Rafa is finally doing what we've been desperate for him to do and that's taking the league seriously.
We basically had 3 starters involved today...
Agger, Alonso and Torres when back to full fitness. We're desperate to keep our league run going and Rafa hasn't tinkered too much with the core team.
What's annoying is Scholari has done virtually the same...Mourhino used to play very strong teams in this cup.
MaleStrom
12-11-2008, 22:27
I wasn't belittling your win...
Far from it, I was making the statement that Rafa is finally doing what we've been desperate for him to do and that's taking the league seriously.
We basically had 3 starters involved today...
Agger, Alonso and Torres when back to full fitness. We're desperate to keep our league run going and Rafa hasn't tinkered too much with the core team.
What's annoying is Scholari has done virtually the same...Mourhino used to play very strong teams in this cup.
Sorry, I was talking about you in particular, just something I've heard a lot tonight (especially from the commentators) - it's great for us winning 4-2 without our best 5 players starting (Jenas, Bent, King, Woodgate & Bentley).
AdamBrunt
12-11-2008, 22:29
Also, did anyone else think it was a bit disappointing to give Torres a run out but not pick anyone that could give him decent service, and then to bring Xabi on after he'd been replaced :shrug:
I don't think the idea of playing Torres was to increase his goal scoring tally ... he needs competitive minutes on the pitch after a month out of the game. If Torres had been playing for the last month, then he wouldn't have played tonight.
cheeseypuffs
12-11-2008, 22:46
What's the point in "competitive" minutes if all he's doing is running around and chasing down the odd 50-50 ball :shrug: It would've been better for his "match sharpness" if he'd had a few half chances or been able to get on the end of a couple of crosses, he'd probably get better match practice on the training ground than he did tonight.
saltysam
12-11-2008, 23:07
Maybe i'm hard to please but i feel a team starting with 8 internationals could do better than that. Rafa's blown some cash on some dross out there,there is seriously little quality.god help us if we have an injury crisis.
DeadYankee
12-11-2008, 23:20
No disrepect but if I was a Spurs fan, I would be celebrating that injury to Gomez .
:oh-hum::cuckoo:
No disrespect? He's a terrible keeper but the day I "celebrate" an injury to a player from any team, let alone my own, is the day I check in to a mental institution
campdave
13-11-2008, 07:10
No disrepect but if I was a Spurs fan, I would be celebrating that injury to Gomez - he is an utter liability.
You've posted some corkers, but never something that low. Well done on finally reaching the gutter.
AdamBrunt
13-11-2008, 07:16
You've posted some corkers, but never something that low. Well done on finally reaching the gutter.
Why, have you been lonely there without me ?
Gomes was far and away Liverpool's best player last night - it must have been a relief for Spurs fans when he left the game. But of course, apparently, that was a low comment :shrug:
Stevie G
13-11-2008, 07:23
Maybe i'm hard to please but i feel a team starting with 8 internationals could do better than that. Rafa's blown some cash on some dross out there,there is seriously little quality.god help us if we have an injury crisis.
Yeah, I know it's the lowest priority, but I was disappointed he put out a team like that, and disappointed with the result, as it's the easiest piece of silverware to win. The first half we were dreadful, and apart from a spell in the second half Spurs were worth the win. A couple of the subs looked useful, but compare it to Arsenal's 'kids' the other night.... very worrying our lack of depth.
Spurs really need to lose their keeper tho! He's consistently shocking! :eek:
Hopefully back to business on Saturday and this won't affect us too much.
campdave
13-11-2008, 07:25
Why, have you been lonely there without me ?
Gomes was far and away Liverpool's best player last night - it must have been a relief for Spurs fans when he left the game. But of course, apparently, that was a low comment :shrug:
We'll all have a laugh when a Liverpool leaves the field of play on a stretcher and see how much you giggle then. Don't try and defend you comment, because you can't.
cheeseypuffs
13-11-2008, 07:45
Gomes was far and away Liverpool's best player last night - it must have been a relief for Spurs fans when he left the game. But of course, apparently, that was a low comment :shrug:I'd leave it there if I was you Adam, "celebrating" was at best an inappropriate word to use given the circumstances.
We'll all have a laugh when a Liverpool leaves the field of play on a stretcher and see how much you giggle then. Don't try and defend you comment, because you can't.
:thumbs:
AdamBrunt
13-11-2008, 08:03
but I was disappointed he put out a team like that
would you have preferred it if he'd played the first XI last night and used last night's team against Bolton on Saturday ?
Spurs really need to lose their keeper tho! He's consistently shocking! :eek:
Careful, campdave will be welcoming you to the gutter in a minute.
Don't try and defend you comment, because you can't.
I don't need to defend anything - just you and your amazing powers of reading other people's thoughts and thinking you know what they meant makes you I think there is something to defend.
I'd leave it there if I was you Adam, "celebrating" was at best an inappropriate word to use given the circumstances.
I would agree with that though.
campdave
13-11-2008, 08:08
you and your amazing powers of reading other people's thoughts and thinking you know what they meant makes you I think there is something to defend.
Why are mind reading powers need to read anything else into your statement?
I was a Spurs fan, I would be celebrating that injury to Gomez
Enlighten me.
How many years have we been moaning that Rafa hasn't been taking the league seriously...?
He finally seems to be making an effort...normally at least Gerrard and Carragher would have played.
He's stopped leaving our best players on the bench to rescue games with 20 mins to go...Don't know if it's Sammy Lee affecting his mindset, but I'm far more confident of a high league finish than I've ever been.
It's early days yet...but we're looking stronger in the league than we have for yonks.
AdamBrunt
13-11-2008, 08:13
Why are mind reading powers need to read anything else into your statement?
I was a Spurs fan, I would be celebrating that injury to Gomez
Enlighten me.
Because he's ***** !!!!! He alone allowed LFC back into a game they had no right to be back in.
If I was a Spurs fan and Harry didn't buy a new keeper in Jan I would be extremely worried.
campdave
13-11-2008, 08:15
Because he's ***** !!!!! He alone allowed LFC back into a game they had no right to be back in.
If I was a Spurs fan and Harry didn't buy a new keeper in Jan I would be extremely worried.
You'd "celebrate" a potentially serious injury to someone like Ngog then?
Fever Dawg
13-11-2008, 08:16
Because he's ***** !!!!! He alone allowed LFC back into a game they had no right to be back in.
If I was a Spurs fan and Harry didn't buy a new keeper in Jan I would be extremely worried.
:cuckoo:
You didn't say that though?
You said you'd be celebrating his injury if you were a Spurs fan?
If a Liverpool player made a couple of mistakes, would you be celebrating if he later got injured and was stretchered off?
rustybin
13-11-2008, 08:22
Because he's ***** !!!!! He alone allowed LFC back into a game they had no right to be back in.
If I was a Spurs fan and Harry didn't buy a new keeper in Jan I would be extremely worried.
Did you have a street party when Cisse broke his leg a few years back?
Fever Dawg
13-11-2008, 08:29
How many years have we been moaning that Rafa hasn't been taking the league seriously...?
He finally seems to be making an effort...normally at least Gerrard and Carragher would have played.
He's stopped leaving our best players on the bench to rescue games with 20 mins to go...Don't know if it's Sammy Lee affecting his mindset, but I'm far more confident of a high league finish than I've ever been.
It's early days yet...but we're looking stronger in the league than we have for yonks.
The team that got knocked out at Chelsea last year doesn't really back up your comments.
It's pretty much identical to last night in terms of the use of squad players/first team.
What I don't get is where are all these foreign youngsters we have bought over the past few seasons?
Last nights team was the usual reserve dross. If Rafa wasn't bothered about losing why not give a run out to some of the decent youth players?
Also did Pennant stick his dick in Rafa's tea or something?
horseflesh
13-11-2008, 09:22
:cuckoo:
You didn't say that though?
You said you'd be celebrating his injury if you were a Spurs fan?
If a Liverpool player made a couple of mistakes, would you be celebrating if he later got injured and was stretchered off?
Did you have a street party when Cisse broke his leg a few years back?
You'd "celebrate" a potentially serious injury to someone like Ngog then?
I think Adam's got the message, he really put his foot in it, but I don't think there's much point hounding him about it now.
Hopefully he realises it was at best an insensitive thing to say.
AdamBrunt
13-11-2008, 09:27
I think Adam's got the message, he really put his foot in it, but I don't think there's much point hounding him about it now.
Hopefully he realises it was at best an insensitive thing to say.
As I said, maybe celebrate was the wrong word.
I also made the crucial mistake of not adding a 1000 word essay to my post explaining in minute detail what each word in the post meant.
The team that got knocked out at Chelsea last year doesn't really back up your comments.
It's pretty much identical to last night in terms of the use of squad players/first team.
Er...
I think you'll find in last years 4th round of the Carling Cup we played Cardiff and Carragher and Gerrard both started...
The Chelsea cup game came after 2 league defeats and was in the xmas run up (19 Dec) when everyone plays loads of games...
Rafa's defended his team choice:
"If the team goes to Bolton and wins, we'll still be top of the table and everyone will be talking about our priorities," added the Spaniard.
"We're disappointed because I want to win every game. We had a lot of quality in that team and wanted to win. But you have to think about priorities."
"The Champions League and the Premier League are the priorities. After that, the FA Cup."
horseflesh
13-11-2008, 10:04
As I said, maybe celebrate was the wrong word.
I also made the crucial mistake of not adding a 1000 word essay to my post explaining in minute detail what each word in the post meant.
Jesus Christ Adam, you ****** up, stop digging a bigger hole for yourself. :brickwall
LouBarlow
13-11-2008, 10:18
I also made the crucial mistake of not adding a 1000 word essay to my post explaining in minute detail what each word in the post meant.
Yeah 'celebrate' is a pretty complicated word. Anything more than 2 syllabules and I'm lost.
lovegroova
13-11-2008, 10:19
FWIW I understood what Adam meant. Clearly he wasn't suggesting celebrating an injury, more suggesting that Spurs fans might be celebrating the fact that their rubbish keeper may miss a few games as it'll probably improve their performances.
No doubt, he did word it badly, especially in an internet forum where everything is taken literally.
AdamBrunt
13-11-2008, 10:47
FWIW I understood what Adam meant. Clearly he wasn't suggesting celebrating an injury, more suggesting that Spurs fans might be celebrating the fact that their rubbish keeper may miss a few games as it'll probably improve their performances.
At last sense reigns :)
hopefully thats the storm moved out of that teacup and the toys have been picked up and put safely back in the pram.
badly worded by adam but he isnt a 'vicous type forum poster' from what i have read of his on here.
tough 3 points to get at the reebok on satdy. hopefully we can keep the pressure on them tho.
if diddy drogba coin chuck gets taken further could he get a match ban that could be taken account into the PL or would it be just a fine?
AdamBrunt
13-11-2008, 12:31
if diddy drogba coin chuck gets taken further could he get a match ban that could be taken account into the PL or would it be just a fine?
According to cheeseypuffs, Carragher got a "3 game ban" red card when he did exactly the same thing.
And yes, a red card received in the Carling Cup does 'carry over' to the Premiership (and vice versa).
but Carragher got a red card during the game. The ref only gave Drogba a yellow.
He will probably get a 3 game ban from the FA anyway just for the FA to show face.
AdamBrunt
13-11-2008, 12:38
but Carragher got a red card during the game. The ref only gave Drogba a yellow.
That's what I mean ... cheeseypuffs was saying Carra got the red card for throwing the coin, Drogba only got a yellow for doing the same thing.
cheeseypuffs
13-11-2008, 13:19
Yep, Carra got a red card for throwing the coin and the resulting ban. Since the ref saw it and took action in booking Drogba that should be the end of it, but knowing the FA they will go against their own rule and impose a ban :suspect:
AdamBrunt
13-11-2008, 13:29
IMO if Carra got a 3 match ban for something then every other player should get the same punishment for doing it as well ... regardless of what action the ref took.
IMO if Carra got a 3 match ban for something then every other player should get the same punishment for doing it as well ... regardless of what action the ref took.
Carra got a 3 match ban as it was a straight red card.
At the end of the day the Ref gave Drogba a yellow card as he saw fit. That should be the end of it.
Stupid thing to do but he apologised. A weeks wages fine which is then donated to a victims of coin throwing charity or something, end of.
AdamBrunt
13-11-2008, 13:37
Carra got a 3 match ban as it was a straight red card.
At the end of the day the Ref gave Drogba a yellow card as he saw fit. That should be the end of it.
Which bit of this are you not getting ?
Carra throws a coin into the crowd and gets a 3 match ban.
Drogba throws a coin into the crowd and gets a yellow card (effectively nothing).
That's fair and consistent is it ?
Which bit of this are you not getting ?
Carra throws a coin into the crowd and gets a 3 match ban.
Drogba throws a coin into the crowd and gets a yellow card (effectively nothing).
That's fair and consistent is it ?
Carra threw a coin into the crowd and the ref sent him off, straight red which is an automatic 3 match ban.
Drogba threw a coin into the crowd and the ref gave him a yellow card.
Carra's 3 match ban was a result of the RED card.
Doesn't really matter if it's fair and consistent that's how it goes. Ref's make decisions which you don't agree with in every game.
I don't know why we are debating this, Carraghers coin throwing incident was 6 years ago.
TheGreat
13-11-2008, 13:47
What bit aren't you getting? The ref's saw both incidents. One gave a red and one gave a yellow. The FA say they won't take retrospective action if the ref punishes at the time. Therefore nothing else should happen to Drogba.
It might not be fair or consistent but then when has it ever been?
slideymoo
13-11-2008, 16:16
Is the guy who the coin at drogba going to get a ban?
cheeseypuffs
13-11-2008, 16:22
That's the big question, whoever did should get a lifetime ban but they'll probably say it's too much hassle to go through all the footage :nono:
AdamBrunt
13-11-2008, 16:30
Did they ever find the person who threw the coin at Carragher ?
I seem to remember them going through the motions "they'll be banned for life ... we'll go through all the CCTV to find them ... etc" but don't remember anything coming of it.
Fever Dawg
13-11-2008, 18:20
That's the big question, whoever did should get a lifetime ban but they'll probably say it's too much hassle to go through all the footage :nono:
The guy who originally throws it gets a lifetime ban but most people seem to be content for Drogba to just escape with a yellow card?
Doesn't seem right to me :shrug:
Of course I'm not defending the pillock who threw it from the crowd but when it boils down to it Drogba has committed the same 'crime' by reacting and throwing it back.
saltysam
13-11-2008, 20:21
The Echo were pretty scathing on last night's performance,especially Degen who the reporter stated was so far out of his depth he needed armbands :lol: think Carragher will shift to right back saturday with Hyppia & Agger in the centre,Aurelio on the left.
The Echo were pretty scathing on last night's performance,especially Degen who the reporter stated was so far out of his depth he needed armbands :lol: think Carragher will shift to right back saturday with Hyppia & Agger in the centre,Aurelio on the left.
Put Gerrard back there...
;)
He was ace at right back. Carra can go back to left back...
Awesome.
We'd rarely concede with that mob at the back...and Gerrard could play his 60 yard passes he loves so much...
We'd rarely score either ;)
Despite our success this season it looks like we still need decent fullbacks. I doubt we will be buying anyone in January though (unless the Owen rumours are true).
Full back is just the weirdest position in football for me - you never like spending money on them but a really crap full back totally undermines your whole defence. That left back slot for us is just a black hole position that nobody seems capable of locking down :(
AdamBrunt
14-11-2008, 11:20
Personally I think the problem is at times Dossena, for example, is being encouraged to get forward (ie play as a wing-back) but the team is playing a 4-4-2 formation whereby Dossena should be playing as a full back.
If we are going to persist with 'wing-backs' in a 4-4-2 formation then Aurelio/Dossena and whoever is playing LM have to learn to cover each other.
saltysam
14-11-2008, 15:08
Dossena's defending the other night was nothing to do with him going forward.it was just plain amateurish.
soberion
14-11-2008, 16:31
Suggestion in the Echo that Darby will get a run out this weekend. I hope so, really rated him last year and in the pre season games he played.
Dossena was just awful, didn't seem to have a clue. I was prepared to give him time to settle and adjust, be he actually seems to be getting worse, not better.
AdamBrunt
14-11-2008, 17:13
Suggestion in the Echo that Darby will get a run out this weekend. I hope so, really rated him last year and in the pre season games he played.
Gotta agree with saltysam, can't see Rafa going with anything other than
Aurelio Hyypia Agger Carragher
tomorrow.
saltysam
15-11-2008, 11:11
team
Reina, Carragher, Hyypia, Agger, Aurelio, Gerrard, Mascherano, Riera, Kuyt, Alonso, Keane. Subs: Cavalieri, Darby, Lucas, Babel, Torres, Dossena, Benayoun.
AdamBrunt
15-11-2008, 11:15
That's not a bad team at all really and should be able to win the game.
No surprise that Darby doesn't start - was never very likely, but surprised Sami played the whole 90 mins on Wednesday and then plays today.
Bolton away is not the sort of game for Torres to start IMO (and certainly not a 'not fully fit' Torres). The next 3 games all at home (Fulham, Marseille and West Ham) are all more suited to him.
Wouldn't surprise me if the complete lack of effort from Torres the other night didn't do him any favours in Rafa's eyes.
BlueDwarf
15-11-2008, 11:44
Not like anyone else gave much of a toss that night.
I just hope it's down to him not being fully fit, and not for "tactical" reasons.
Not got English commentary...
Is Gerrard being man marked?
Bloody 'ell nice move...unlucky Kuyt
Patient piece of play sucking them out, then a nice cross and header by Kuyt. Looking very comfortable.
Stevie G
15-11-2008, 12:03
Just a bit! I think he's tied a 6 foot piece of rope to him!
Stevie G
15-11-2008, 12:15
Get in!
BlueDwarf
15-11-2008, 12:15
Superb header.
rustybin
15-11-2008, 12:17
How did Keane miss that!!!?!
Should be two.
Should be 2 though...Keane should have buried it.
And that through ball he just had...His lack of pace showed there.
TigaSefi
15-11-2008, 12:21
Keane!!!
facepalm.jpg!!!
Carragher might not like being Right Back but boy he sends some good crosses in!!
Torres must be licking his lips at the service Keane is getting...although to be fair Keane was supposed to be doing what Gerrard is doing and providing them as well.
TigaSefi
15-11-2008, 12:34
Lucky there!!!
Lee Brown
15-11-2008, 12:39
Lucky there!!!
I don't think it's lucky when one of their players is deliberately trying to trip our keeper. It's just a foul
Yep...
That's definitely a warning about set pieces...
There were 3 Bolton players crowding Reina when that went in. He needs more protection to stop them getting to him.
We need to score another one...Hate when we're only a goal up and dominating.
TigaSefi
15-11-2008, 12:51
I don't think it's lucky when one of their players is deliberately trying to trip our keeper. It's just a foul
Lucky for us the referee was competent that time.
Lee Brown
15-11-2008, 12:56
Lucky for us the referee was competent that time.
You're not wrong there ;)
God the Bolton fans are pathetic. Listen to them! get over it - it was a foul! :lol:
TigaSefi
15-11-2008, 12:58
Gardner falling :lol:
Blimey did Agger just lose a tooth...?
We're in a right battle now. This is why keane's miss may come back to haunt us.
Gardner's pace is causing us no end of grief.
You just know Carragher and Alonso were just discussing Alsono putting the ball out for Aurelio's injury. Carragher weren't happy...
Stevie G
15-11-2008, 12:59
They're getting about this half. We need to take control back, get that second
God Dammit...
Now Gerrard's missed one...Harder than Keane's one though.
And Styles is reverting back to form...that looked a corner for Bolton...
Stevie G
15-11-2008, 13:07
Jesus, that was as bad a miss as Keane's. Hope we don't rue these misses :(
Bolton have knocked us out of our stride...
Riera has had no decent ball this half. We're no longer passing it, just lumping it up there and getting drawn into their game.
Torres = God!
Absolutely fantastic.
Lee Brown
15-11-2008, 13:18
Yes!
BlueDwarf
15-11-2008, 13:18
3rd time's the charm.
Geddin.
TigaSefi
15-11-2008, 13:19
Hope that takes the winds out of Bolton.
euqiddis
15-11-2008, 13:21
we're getting battered by bolton, but what a goal from stevie!!!
Hope that takes the winds out of Bolton.
Not as much as Davies did to Aurelio...
I'd take Riera off and bring on the more physical Babel...
For our bad misses at least there's Gardner to even them out...
No wait Lucas swings it back in our favour...
TigaSefi
15-11-2008, 13:39
That was a shocking miss by Lucas! Good win and puts the pressure on West Brom...
That was a shocking miss by Lucas! Good win and puts the pressure on West Brom...
West Brom?
what...?
TigaSefi
15-11-2008, 13:50
West Brom?
what...?
They are fighting in the relegation zone no ? so they need to win and they are at home. Chelsea are favorites.
They are fighting in the relegation zone no ? so they need to win and they are at home. Chelsea are favorites.
Ah...
Get it now. The bottom 10 are in the relegation zone...
;)
Chelsea have that extra inevitibility that we seem to lack. We're fine when on top, but we still give teams the opportunity to get back at us.
Although the defence were throwing themselves in front of everything today.
How many misses (from both teams) were there in that game, they could have their own miss of the season competition from the chances in this match alone.
lol...why did Adam's name pop into my head...
1534: GOAL Fulham 1-0 Tottenham
A howler from Spurs keeper Heurelho Gomes. Simon Davies strikes at goal, the ball glances off the head of Jonathan Woodgate and the Spurs keeper somehow allows the ball to slip through his hands.
:lol:
AdamBrunt
15-11-2008, 14:51
I did have a wry smile when I read that earlier.
Didn't think we were that good today but played well enough to win. Both goals were superbly taken but some of the misses :eek:. Though I don't agree with Gray's comments about "would those kind of misses cost them against tougher opposition" ... erm, it didn't seem to against Chelsea and Man U ;)
And Rob Styles actually gets a decision correct for once :)
Chelsea battering West Brom :(
Already got two.
AdamBrunt
15-11-2008, 17:12
You weren't expecting West Brom to get anything out of the game were you ?
No, but I was kind of hoping they wouldn't dramatically improve their goal difference.
Now 3-0
AdamBrunt
15-11-2008, 17:33
No, but I was kind of hoping they wouldn't dramatically improve their goal difference.
You think the league title's going to be decided on GD ?
LouBarlow
15-11-2008, 17:45
You think the league title's going to be decided on GD ?
Well goal-difference is worth an extra point isn't it?
Stevie G
15-11-2008, 18:02
I'm sure any Arsenal fan old enough will tell you it is! :(
LouBarlow
15-11-2008, 18:23
I'm sure any Arsenal fan old enough will tell you it is! :(
Was that the last time it happened?
Either way, the goal difference last season didn't prove crucial, but it was so tight at one stage that it had to be a psycological advantage.
Stevie G
15-11-2008, 18:29
Cough! 1989! :(
LouBarlow
15-11-2008, 18:33
God I feel old. :(
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