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I was going to get a PS3 but the price is putting me off, im not a hardcore gamer but enjoy the odd game or so and every now and then get the urge to smash things up or crash things, once or twice a week and when friends come round etc.
I used to have an xbox but sold it about 18 months ago. I prefer car games and football games etc. I also quite liked playing online every now and then too against other forumites as that was fun.
Now the xbox has come down in price im thinking maybe get a 360, I wont use it to watch films as I have a HD DVD player and Blue Ray is not mainstream enough for me yet to be bothered about Blue Ray movie playing capabilities.
Am I right in thinking Xbox games are cheaper and more readily available 2nd hand. I can't really justify £400 on a console and bits with it but £100 for a 360 maybe I can.
If you are not fussed about Blue Ray, then it's 360 all the way imo.
Am I right in thinking Xbox games are cheaper and more readily available 2nd hand. I can't really justify £400 on a console and bits with it but £100 for a 360 maybe I can.
You've answered your own question :thumbs:
I have a HD projector and will get a standalone Blue Ray player when they come down in price and films are cheaper and start appearing more on the high street and Blockbuster.
I was going to get a PS3 but the price is putting me off, im not a hardcore gamer but enjoy the odd game or so and every now and then get the urge to smash things up or crash things, once or twice a week and when friends come round etc.
If you like crashing things then the 360 is definitely the console for you.
Get a 360 Brad and join up to Live :thumbs:
When the update arrives Nov 19th and *IF* the install to HD works as well as it suggests you will literally be able to buy very cheap preowned 360 games, rip them to the HD and not have to worry about the disc being marked, scratched, etc. If it installs fine to the HD, you're done
I never buy preowned games since the quslity of them aren't always great and the disc drive is dodgy enough as it is, however if the above works out, I'll be picking up a lot of cheap games
AKPiggott
16-10-2008, 10:53
You mentioned that you'd use it when friends come round. Well 360 is a good party console as well with stuff like Rock Band, Scene It etc. We also have Lips coming out soon as well.
OK seems im leaning towards the 360, what equipment do I need to get HD sound and picture on my projector, I already have an optical cable so I presume I connect the 360 to my sound system via optical and to my projector via hdmi lead yes.
Also to play online I'll need a wireless bridge thinghy as I hate running a 20 metre ethernet lead from upstairs so need to go wireless, are these reliable?
Also whats the games to own to go online and play against all you pesky kids!! I liked that takedown car game, think it was burnout 3 takedown, stuff like that I like, Moto GP too.
AKPiggott
16-10-2008, 11:00
The wireless bridge, is excellent. I grumbled initially at the price but it's so reliable and fast that it's worth the money. :thumbs:
The bridge is good but it does push the price up near the PS3.
Admitedly we bought an elite recently but it was £229 (console) + £55 (bridge) + £35 (live sub) = £319 - which is more than the PS3... I think the big hard drive is going to be very usefull when one can install games onto it.
The bridge is good but it does push the price up near the PS3.
Admitedly we bought an elite recently but it was £229 (console) + £55 (bridge) + £35 (live sub) = £319 - which is more than the PS3... I think the big hard drive is going to be very usefull when one can install games onto it.
Arcade: £105 (see Bargain Forum) + 120 GB HD: £60 (from Comet) + Wireless: £55 + Live Sub: £25 (off eBay) = £245
Nothing wrong with the ethernet connection if you router is close...its what I use, never had an issue.
Oh, and Live subs can be got for ~£25 on the net.
He could use Homeplugs if it came to it.
Why do I need a hard drive?
120GB HD: £60 (from Comet)
Good luck finding one instock though. It's a shame this new storage upgrade scheme Microsoft has doesn't let 20gb owners get a 60gb or 120gb drive at a discount.
It's a shame this new storage upgrade scheme Microsoft has doesn't let 20gb owners get a 60gb or 120gb drive at a discount.
Seconded :(
You don't. They are turning a £100 console into a £245 one. If all you want to do is play a games the the Arcade is all you need. But if you want it online, run the new dashboard and copy games to disk then you start to need more add ons. You should be able to pick up a refurb 20GB HD very cheaply via a current MS offer to do with the new dashboard. So if you skip the wireless bit it probably gets more like £150 with 20GB HD, Live sub and console. I did see the wireless adaptor for £45 in my local Game yesterday.
Thanks guys, does it use standard optical cable and hdml cable to get HD pic and sound?
Wireless bridge was only £45 in my local Game, so long as you bought something else with it at the same time.
You don't. They are turning a £100 console into a £245 one.
OP states he wants to play online and needs wireless, so even if you take the HD out of the equation it's still £185 (using harsin's prices £105 + £55 + £25) and I personally think with the update a hard drive is going to be essential.
Thanks guys, does it use standard optical cable and hdml cable to get HD pic and sound?
Looks here at what you get http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/compare101.htm?WT.svl=nav
I think the hdmi is a std cable but for the optical you need to run it off an adaptor cable that only comes free with an Elite. Someone may know if this is true or not as I have an orginal console without hdmi output
AKPiggott
16-10-2008, 11:41
I remember reading/hearing once that Blockbuster do the wireless bridge pre-owned for around the £30 mark. Think you need to get lucky though.
MetalGearAl
16-10-2008, 11:49
The £60 drives at Comet are rarer than hens' teeth.
I remember reading/hearing once that Blockbuster do the wireless bridge pre-owned for around the £30 mark. Think you need to get lucky though.
Yeah, they laughed at me when I asked for one. They said the staff bought them up for ebay as soon as they came in stock.
Here is a breakdown of what you need if you buy an Arcade unit:
360 Arcade Unit - Comes with a 256mb memory card, standard AV lead. Upgrade (http://www.xboxstorageupgrade.com/) to 20GB HD for £12.99
The New XBox Experience dashboard upgrade requires 128mb storage space, and if you are connected to Live, is a forced update. As some have noted above, the Hard Drive is pretty much essential once this launches and will enable you to download demos and DLC more freely.
Any standard HDMI lead is fine for connecting to your projector, and any standard optical lead will let you connect the 360 to your amplifier. However, the Arcade unit neither comes with the required HDMI Audio Adaptor cable (this plugs into the standard AV port on the 360 and has connections for RCA Stereo audio and optical audio out) or the Component HD AV cable that can be butchered (http://www.chadledford.com/?p=50) so you can use it alongside the HDMI for optical out.
You'll either have to buy the official HDMI lead that includes the adaptor, or a standard HDMI lead and try to find the adaptor separately, or pick up a standard AV cable that has the optical out for you to use.
XBox Live sub is £25 for the year, and Wireless Bridge if necessary can be had for £45 as noted by other posters.
If you get the 60GB Premium unit you'll get the HD Component AV cable as standard, which can be used for optical out. You also get the Wired headset which is useful.
Excellent thanks for that, hopefully looking forward to kicking some of your butts on live!!
You can't move the wireless router to where the 360 will be (if there's a phone socket near the 360), can you? Would save the need for the wireless bridge.
BTW if you use the HD Component AV cable that you get with the 60GB Pro 360, Then you could just connect via component to your TV and ignore the HDMI for the present. All the original 360s get HD output that way. Just saves buying yet more bits or butchering cables for the time being.
Get a 100m network cable then ;)
So whats the 360 online games to have nowadays that everyones playing. Car ones etc.
You only need COD4, but might have to dabble with COD5 for a few weeks.
alphatyrant
17-10-2008, 12:26
Good online stuff - Gears of War is still a favourite but will be eclipsed by 2 very shortly, though it's still good to see the first part of the story. I still see people on my list playing Forza 2 after all this time and a few are into PURE as well. COD 4 is good, but I got bored of MP very quickly (got sick of coming up against fully levelled up gits with stupidly powerful guns). Fifa and/or Pro Evo for the sports fans and Halo 3 is worth picking up because it's cheap as hell and has a ton of online stuff.
I just sold my 360 for a PS3 mainly for the bluray support.. but its not as good at streaming video and its crashed far more than my 360 ever did :(
I thought there was tons of online motor stuff, is there nothing like burnout 3 takedown etc? Or moto gp?
Been offered this off a friend for £210.
The Xbox 360 Console
Accessories included in the sale
Power Cable
Component/Av Cable
3 x Wireless Controller
1 Wired Controller
3 Rechargeable Battery Packs
1 Play and Charge kit (needed for battery packs)
Wireless Network Adaptor (Needed For Wireless online play)
Ethernet Cable (Needed For Wired Online Play)
VGA Cable Needed For High Defintition T.v's that do not have a component connection
20GB Hard Drive
Wired Headset
Windows Messenger Keyboard
2 Normal Battery Packs (Need AA Batteries)
Xbox 360 Games Included In This Sale
Fifa 09
Unreal Tournament 3
Top Spin 3
Call Of Duty 4
Forza Motorsport 2 (in Czech Republic Case but the Game Is English
Grand Theft Auto 4 Also has official game guide with it
Original Xbox Games
Grand Theft Auto San Andreas
Grand Theft Auto 3 and Vice City Box Set
If you bought the above package, I'd take Unreal Tournament 3 and Top Spin 3 off you for £20 to help finance your purchase ;)
Tony Ferrino
17-10-2008, 18:03
I thought there was tons of online motor stuff, is there nothing like burnout 3 takedown etc? Or moto gp?
Moto GP and Burnout Paradise are on 360 (plus others in those series).
alphatyrant
17-10-2008, 18:18
For £210? I'd say so, but it sounds like a Premium console, which lacks HDMI out....still a good price though. Oh and I can't believe I forgot about Burnout Paradise, it's awesome, especially with all the free updates.
For £210? I'd say so, but it sounds like a Premium console, which lacks HDMI out....still a good price though. Oh and I can't believe I forgot about Burnout Paradise, it's awesome, especially with all the free updates.
You can't tell that from the description it just depends how old it is. Quite a lot of the hardware is actually just what comes with a console. o you need to price up what it all actually comes to. But it looks a fair deal to me. Plus you can punt out plenty of the extras if you don't need them.
Im confused by all this HDMI out, arent all 360's HD ready so to speak?
Im confused by all this HDMI out, arent all 360's HD ready so to speak?
Yes. but originally it was either via a component cable or vga. The later (current) versions have hdmi output now as well. However, the units still come only with the component cable like they originally did.
GCfreako
17-10-2008, 19:06
Well I use my PS3 to:
watch DivX and movies as it's really quiet.
I use my 360 to:
play games as there's more choice and I get to boost my achievements.
The 360 has more exclusive games, which makes it the perfect console for gaming. However, it's really loud, breaks easily, doesn't have a built in wifi adapter and the joypad doesn't have a rechargeable battery built in.
Having said that, besides Resistance, Motorstorm, VF5, MGS4 and Uncharted, I haven't played any other game on it even though I have about 8 other sealed games somewhere that I'm not bothered to touch. The PS3 is perfect for media streaming and I really like the interface and navigation system.
The PS3 may look more expensive but you don't need to buy a Wifi adapter or rechargeable batteries. These are extras for the 360.
OK im getting my 360 this week, so what games does everyone play live on here now, fancy a bit of forums kicking arse time, I prefer car games.
alphatyrant
16-02-2009, 18:40
Burnout Paradise, Gears of War 2, Call of Duty 4 (I just don't like 5, nowhere near enough replay value), Left 4 Dead, GTA IV....all are quality games with lots of excellent MP modes.
Am I right in thinking i can connect my 360 to my onkyo amp via the hdmi lead and then it will send the signal to my projector via the output hdmi from my onkyo 606, just like i do with my bluray player?
So its just 1 hdmi lead from the 360 to the amp.
Thanks
charlie angel
19-02-2009, 11:18
Am I right in thinking i can connect my 360 to my onkyo amp via the hdmi lead and then it will send the signal to my projector via the output hdmi from my onkyo 606, just like i do with my bluray player?
So its just 1 hdmi lead from the 360 to the amp.
Thanks
You are correct sir.
Excellent thanks for that.
I have both and I would chose the Xbox. Online experience is much better although you do have to pay a fee for it!
degeneration
19-02-2009, 12:40
... and the joypad doesn't have a rechargeable battery built in.
That is a good thing in my book. Nothing worse than the PS3 controller battery running out and having to find a really long USB cable to continue playing (As the one given with the PS3 is very very short) and it seems won't charge when the console is off.
With the 360 I have an the charger thing which means I have one on charge and one in the controller.
Also once the battery life is shot to hell you can replace the battery but on the PS3 you have to replace the controller.
tobiasboon
19-02-2009, 12:48
That is a good thing in my book. Nothing worse than the PS3 controller battery running out and having to find a really long USB cable to continue playing (As the one given with the PS3 is very very short) and it seems won't charge when the console is off.
With the 360 I have an the charger thing which means I have one on charge and one in the controller.
Also once the battery life is shot to hell you can replace the battery but on the PS3 you have to replace the controller.
I just plug mine into my PC if my PS3 is off so it charges. Also any usb extension cable is going to be cheaper than a play and charge kit I would guess.
Not heard of any batteries dying, I'm guessing they will at some point, but you can actually replace the battery in the controller (for as little as $10 by the looks of it) if you have such exotic equipment as a screwdriver! The 360 has a lot of advantages over the PS3, the fact that it doesn't come with a rechargeable battery cell is not one of them. :)
It's really easy to swap the rechargeable batteries in the PS3 pads, plus the vibration free ones last for ages.
MattRimmer
19-02-2009, 12:51
You indeed have answered your own question :)
If you want BluRay and Higher Quality graphics etc, then get a PS3, but if not, why fork out an extra £100 - £200 for something you don't want or need.
tobiasboon
19-02-2009, 13:10
If you want BluRay and Higher Quality graphics etc, then get a PS3...
That is debatable at best. Bar a few 1st party games that can't be directly compared anyway, the differences between the 360 and PS3 graphically are none to slim and if anything slightly favour the 360 in a multiformat situation*.
* bar a few exceptions yada yada yada
Ive got a 360 now anyhow.
tobiasboon
19-02-2009, 13:16
Ive got a 360 now anyhow.
Congrats, either (or both) is a good choice at the moment. Enjoy! :thumbs:
MattRimmer
19-02-2009, 13:16
the differences between the 360 and PS3 graphically are none to slim and if anything slightly favour the 360 in a multiformat situation.
I thought that the PS3 won more awards than the Xbox 360, due to the fact that the games are all BluRay, so they are high detailed?
Please correct me if im wrong.
Thanks,
Matt
I'm not sure what awards you refer too, but the blu-ray has larger storage space, although that doesn't mean the images displayed will contain any more detail.
anephric
19-02-2009, 13:21
Teh BLOO rays are filled with grafikx!
tobiasboon
19-02-2009, 13:26
I thought that the PS3 won more awards than the Xbox 360, due to the fact that the games are all BluRay, so they are high detailed?
Please correct me if im wrong.
Thanks,
Matt
It doesn't really work like that, Blu Ray allows more information on a disk yes but the consoles only have a limited amount of memory (both video memory and system memory) to play with which is the real limitation of the amount of texture detail you can see on any one screen. The 360 and PS3 are fundamentally quite different at that level with the PS3 generally requiring more work to exploit its (arguably higher) potential and in a multiformat situation most companies are happy with a close approximation between the two systems rather than fully exploiting either due to development time constraints/resources.
EDIT:
"Teh BLOO rays are filled with grafikx!"
Hahaha!
OK joined live, username is "markfax"
degeneration
19-02-2009, 13:56
I thought that the PS3 won more awards than the Xbox 360, due to the fact that the games are all BluRay, so they are high detailed?
Please correct me if im wrong.
Thanks,
Matt
Wronger than a wrong thing on a wrong day. And these awards you talk about?
LordoftheDance
19-02-2009, 14:09
Best Blu-ray graphics on a PS3 console award.
I think it won in 2007, 2008 and 2009 because the XBOX 360 doesn't play Blu-rays.
tobiasboon
19-02-2009, 14:15
Sarcasm detector broken.
I think LOTD was being sarcastic.
tobiasboon
19-02-2009, 14:58
I think LOTD was being sarcastic.
You didn't see a God damn thing...
;)
LordoftheDance
19-02-2009, 15:10
You didn't see a God damn thing...
;)
Hahaha!! *points at tobias*
:)
Anthony.S
19-02-2009, 15:14
There have been a number of comparisons between 360 and PS3 such as http://www.gamespot.com/features/6202552/index.html?tag=feature;header
To me the difference it's not worth worrying about just what system has the exclusive games you want.
Both consoles are not powerful enough to render all games at 1080p or the developers haven't yet had time to perfect the techniques so a lot of games advertised as 1080p are internally upscaled.
That is a good thing in my book. Nothing worse than the PS3 controller battery running out and having to find a really long USB cable to continue playing (As the one given with the PS3 is very very short) and it seems won't charge when the console is off.
With the 360 I have an the charger thing which means I have one on charge and one in the controller.
Also once the battery life is shot to hell you can replace the battery but on the PS3 you have to replace the controller.
I have my PS3 at my computer desk so charging while playing doesn't bother me. If i was in a living room situation i would just have my MDA charger next to my chair as that charges through the mini-usb port too.
It's all down to how much you think real time weapon switching is important.
tobiasboon
19-02-2009, 15:50
It's all down to how much you think real time weapon switching is important.
My Giant Enemy Crab concurs! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_Enemy_Crab)
I do miss the old days!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g1fr5vk72M
That is one of my favourite videos of all time, he makes so much of the historical accuracy and that it is based on actual battles and then, casual as you like, in leaps the giant enemy crab.
Surely when they dry ran that speech someone must have thought it was a touch ridiculous?
Someone needed to say "Look Bill, either loose the historical accuracy or the giant enemy crab, but you can't have both"
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