View Full Version : Heroes Season 3 Episode 5 - Angels and Monsters - Spoilers
Brozyniak
14-10-2008, 08:58
Interesting episode, some of the randomness of Ep4 is being pulled together.
Mr Petrelli is alive (barely) and pulling all the strings to build an army of talents.
Did Hiro really kill Ando - I suspect we didn't see the freeze time bit when he went out and grabbed some ketchup, at least I hope so - we can't lose the dynamic duo!
Best line: I know a Doctor who can help you
Can he be trusted?
Yes, he's harmless :lol:
Claire doesn't see things in black and white any more, is this the slippery slope to becoming a brunette?
The Daphne and 'pacman' timeline is set in motion...
scoobyood
14-10-2008, 12:49
Errrr what happened to sylars super hearing??
Errrr what happened to sylars super hearing??
Same thing that happens to any other power that would ruin the hastily thrown together plot - you're meant to forget about it.
Saddest thing in this episode was the disposal of Andre Royo - not only a great actor, but he had an ability which was genuinely threatening to the Peters and Sylars of the world. I know you have to suspend disbelief for the show, but I'll be very disappointed if Hiro really offed Ando (though I suppose he may have a plan involving Claire's blood).
I like the route they're going by playing up the mental powers. Mr Petrelli, Pac Man Sr, the guy Claire's mom went to see - their powers are potentially far more destructive than even the most powerful physical abilities. I'm guessing that's why they want Pac Man on board, as he could potentially work against them.
scoobyood
14-10-2008, 15:31
Same thing that happens to any other power that would ruin the hastily thrown together plot - you're meant to forget about it.
Yeah. Given the fans of super hero stuff are sticklers for detail, you would have though they would employ writers that had seen the first season.
I'm still waiting for sylar to melt something to silver goo then use his telekinesis to craft it into some weapon shape (or a functioning gun using his own "how it works" powers)... then turn that new shaped goo thing into solid gold and fling or fire it at some one who's out of his normal range.
.... or anything that's remotely creative really.
What powers does he and peter have? There must be a list somewhere. I'm off to google.
Same thing that happens to any other power that would ruin the hastily thrown together plot - you're meant to forget about it.
Or even Nathan's wife and kids!
sleepy67
14-10-2008, 18:08
What powers does he and peter have? There must be a list somewhere. I'm off to google.Stupidity & Advanced Stupididty better be on that list.
I'm trying to decide which show has the most stupid characters, Heroes or Jericho?
scoobyood
14-10-2008, 18:37
From a wiki.. Sylar
Sylar has acquired a number of powers. In order, Sylar has acquired:
* Telekinesis from Brian Davis (Six Months Ago)
* Freezing from an unknown victim (First seen in Don't Look Back)
* Enhanced memory from Charlie Andrews (Seven Minutes to Midnight)
* Melting from Zane Taylor (Run!)
* Enhanced hearing from Dale Smither (Unexpected)
* Precognition from Isaac Mendez (.07%)
* Induced radioactivity from Ted Sprague (Landslide)
When Sylar was infected with the Shanti virus, all of his powers were suppressed. The only powers he acquired before the infection that he has demonstrated since recovering are his original power and telekinesis. He has acquired the following additional powers since recovering from the virus:
* Rapid cellular regeneration from Claire Bennet (The Second Coming)
* Alchemy from Bob Bishop (The Butterfly Effect)
* Clairsentience from Bridget Bailey (One of Us, One of Them)
* Sound manipulation from Jesse Murphy (One of Us, One of Them)
During their conversation, Sylar and Mr. Bennet confirmed that Sylar has multiple abilities (Fallout); however, apart from telekinesis, the Company was unable to identify what these powers were (Godsend). Based on Mohinder's statement to the authorities (Fallout) that at least six people from his father's list have been murdered by Sylar (prior to Zane Taylor), it's likely that Sylar has acquired at least fourteen abilities: the six Mohinder mentions, plus those of Zane, Dale, Isaac, Ted, Claire, Bob, Bridget, and Jesse. However, due to his exposure to the Shanti virus, Sylar seemed to have lost all but five of these abilities: telekinesis, plus those abilities he acquired after being healed [1]. His future incarnation, however, is able to manifest two abilities that were supposedly lost (induced radioactivity and precognitive painting), so the loss may be temporary—if it actually occurred at all.
Sylar attempted to take an ability from Candice Wilmer, but he was unable to use it because he was affected by the Shanti virus; in an interview, the writers confirmed that Sylar was unable to acquire this ability while infected.
Telekinesis is Sylar's most commonly observed acquired ability. He has demonstrated the ability to use at least two of his acquired abilities at the same time.
Pfftt!
Peter
Peter can duplicate the abilities of others evolved humans; after he has acquired the ability, he does not need to be in the person's presence. To date, Peter has conclusively duplicated the abilities of:
* Precognitive dreaming from Angela Petrelli (Genesis)
* Flight from Nathan Petrelli (Genesis)
* Precognition from Isaac Mendez (Don't Look Back)
* Rapid cell regeneration from Claire Bennet (Homecoming)
* Telepathy from Matt Parkman (Fallout)
* Invisibility from Claude Rains (Godsend)
* Telekinesis from Sylar (Unexpected)
* Space-time manipulation from Hiro Nakamura (Unexpected)
o Peter appears to be immune to Future Hiro and Hiro's effects. Peter was able to communicate with Future Hiro and is at this point the only person Future Hiro has visited and spoken to. (Collision, Hiros) Whether this was Peter's or Hiro's doing is unclear. The same scenario occurs when Peter is in Primatech Research and time completely stops. Both Peter and Hiro are surprised to find each other, indicating the unfrozen Peter was not Hiro's doing, but Peter's. (Truth & Consequences)
o Peter slowed and then stopped time when attacked with taser darts.
o Peter has moved himself and another person through time and space. (The Line)
* Induced radioactivity from Ted Sprague (The Hard Part)
* Enhanced strength from Niki Sanders (How to Stop an Exploding Man)
* Lightning from Elle Bishop (Four Months Later...)
* Phasing from D.L. Hawkins (Lizards)
* Pyrokinesis from Flint (I Am Become Death)
* Super speed from Daphne Millbrook (I Am Become Death)
* Intuitive aptitude from Gabriel Gray (I Am Become Death)
Powers Exposed
Other evolved humans have been within Peter's proximity, exposing him to their abilities. These abilities Peter has not yet exhibited:
* Persuasion (from Eden McCain in Collision)
* Freezing (from Sylar in Homecoming)
* Enhanced memory (from Sylar in Homecoming)
* Mental manipulation (from the Haitian in Unexpected)
* Melting (from Sylar in Parasite)
* Enhanced hearing (from Sylar in Parasite)
* Clairvoyance (from Molly Walker in How to Stop an Exploding Man)
* Technopathy (from Micah Sanders in How to Stop an Exploding Man)
* Alchemy (from Bob Bishop in Four Months Ago...)
* Sound manipulation (from Jesse Murphy in One of Us, One of Them)
* Clairsentience (from Gabriel Gray in I Am Become Death)
* Mohinder's ability (from Mohinder Suresh in I Am Become Death)
Pftt pfft!! How is this idiot getting knocked out all the time? He should be a god by now.
I think I hate this show.
PaulieC79
14-10-2008, 19:34
Much better this week. Yes, it's still silly and full of holes, but at least I'm still getting entertained by it. Lots of interesting plot points and reveals. Loving the Sylar/HRG link up.
robzinski
14-10-2008, 20:10
Yay, Bubbles! :clap:
No, Bubbles?!:cry:
What happened to PacMan Sr last time we saw him, when he was looking for Molly?
Its now confirmed though, Sylar is the man they need to pin this series too and ride on his coat tails. How ace is he as a pseudo-good guy?
basegreen
14-10-2008, 20:26
I think that's pretty much it for me for this programme.
scoobyood
14-10-2008, 21:13
Maybe the season will end with peter flying around the earth at super speed while invisible and phasing. Then using his super hearing, super memory, telepathy, Clairvoyance, Clairsentience, technopathy, sound manipulation, Precognition and Intuitive aptitude to listen to all conversations and gather all knowledge on everything to do with this mystery. Then he can freeze time and zip around ripping the brains out of those villains involved, freezing their bodies, turning them to gold and melting that gold into a bit bowl and then taking that bowl and transporting it into the centre of the sun... before sitting down for a well earned beer (gold glass) handed to him from a naked Ali Larter, whom he persuaded without much trouble...
Get it all rapped up in five minutes.
Slightly more coherent this week & some indications that the writers have something planned rather than just throw random super-powered madness at the screen to see what sticks. Still remains fun & entertaining as long as you don't think about it when the episode finishes, else it just implodes.
Reading that wiki on Sylar, maybe he has got to start acquiring powers from scratch again. It would explain him not using super-hearing.
Reading that wiki on Sylar, maybe he has got to start acquiring powers from scratch again. It would explain him not using super-hearing.
That's what i thought. At the end of S2 / start of S3 he had lost all of his powers and was just beginning to recall them, hence the spinach can thing to show this.
That's why his super hearing went.
Thought it was the weakest episode so far in S3 but that's only because it's setting the scene
Yay, Bubbles! :clap:
No, Bubbles?!:cry:
Assuming he's really gone, that was a criminal waste - quality actor, a power that trumps all the others bar maybe the Haitian, a moral dilemma about using it. All that and they get rid of him in one episode?
Drysolder
15-10-2008, 06:59
Hmm, very slightly better than last week, although it did feel 'monster of the week' with ClaireBear getting into trouble.
And if I see another 'vision' consisting of a character walking down a corridor with other characters dead or dying in it, I'll scream!!!!!
wonderfibre
15-10-2008, 09:29
Assuming he's really gone, that was a criminal waste - quality actor, a power that trumps all the others bar maybe the Haitian, a moral dilemma about using it. All that and they get rid of him in one episode?
that's what leads me to believe that he'll be back
remember: we don't know where things end up when they go through the vortex....
Bleeders
15-10-2008, 11:18
I'm enjoying it, I must say. I don't think about it too much mind, but I did like the re-introduction of Pacman's Pops and of course, Robert Forsster as well.
Feels like they're going somewhere with it now, although hopefully, it's not the last we'll see of Vortex Steve.
DrVenkman
15-10-2008, 13:57
Knowing this show it probably will be the last we'll see of the Vortex (Why are we spoilering?). We can't have them actually using an interesting idea now can we.
Pac-Man's father was locked in his own head last time we saw him, the implication being that he's staying there. I don't think we'll get a reason as to why he's out.
Noah has gone back to being annoying with all his "I'm doing this for the family!" business. Yes Noah, all you do is stuff for the family and look how much trouble it's got you in. All the goodwill that character has built up is quickly going down the pan.
Of course Hiro didn't kill Ando, I don't even know why it's in doubt for some people.
he was using telepathy later on in the car with HRG and claire which begs the question how come he didn't know about HRG's plans earlier? Iirc the only reason HRG's thoughts were blocked (when pacman tried s1) was because the haitian was around :brickwall
also loved the ando line "we're the worst heroes ever!" lol, hiro and ando have been the only characters i have really liked from the first episode and probably the only characters i care about
creepy rapey puppet man looks interesting and good to see a return of pacman sr, will have to go wiki as i can't remember a thing about petrelli sr!
he was using telepathy later on in the car with HRG and claire which begs the question how come he didn't know about HRG's plans earlier? Iirc the only reason HRG's thoughts were blocked (when pacman tried s1) was because the haitian was around :brickwall
also loved the ando line "we're the worst heroes ever!" lol, hiro and ando have been the only characters i have really liked from the first episode and probably the only characters i care about
creepy rapey puppet man looks interesting and good to see a return of pacman sr, will have to go wiki as i can't remember a thing about petrelli sr!
Sylar doesnt have telepathy so he couldnt have been using that.
What you have to remember is that they had some decent writers in Season 1 who subsequently left, the biggest casualty was probably Bryan Fuller of Dead Like Me/Wonderfalls fame who left to create Pushing Daisies.
Now Jeph Loeb is one of the drving forces behind the story. For those who don't know, Jeph Loeb is a comic writer, he used to be pretty good and wrote quite a few acclaimed stories, but that was a fair few years ago. However nowadays he just publishes unadulaterated bilge.
oh yeah, got confused with the super hearing :doh:
Highlander
15-10-2008, 20:52
Of course Hiro didn't kill Ando, I don't even know why it's in doubt for some people.
So Hiro went to the future, saw what was going to happen, came back to the present, swapped the real sword for a fake retractable one? :D
Captain_Howdy666
15-10-2008, 21:26
So Hiro went to the future, saw what was going to happen, came back to the present, swapped the real sword for a fake retractable one? :D
And a packet of ketchup...
Mandrill
15-10-2008, 23:46
Throught this was the best ep of the season so far.Finally thing's are starting to make sense.
Claire bear's mum and Angela are both in pretty dire situations :eek:
I quite like Daphne :n0rty:
cockbongo
16-10-2008, 02:38
Right, thats enough for me i think. This episode contained some of the most butt-clenchingly bad dialogue i've heard in a show for a long time. And criminally they not only turned Andre Royo into a one dimensional disposable baddie, they gave him a script that wouldn't be fit to wipe Bubbles' arse with. Jamie Hector appears to be faring a little better, but not much.
Some moments of fun in this one, but i found it so difficult to get through the hackneyed dialogue that i'm not sure i'll manage another episode. And life's too short. Hope you all enjoy it, everyone - let me know how it all ends when May comes around.
The writing is so half-assed beyond belief. This is the honest-to-god creator's response to part of this episode, I'm not kidding.
"Hey how come Sylar didn't hear Mr. Bennett plotting his death when he has super-hearing?"
"He lost all his powers in Season 2."
"But he still has telekenisis?"
"Ah he kept that particular one because it was the first one he absorbed."
"But in the future he still had future-painting and Ted's nuclear ability?"
"Um, in the four years that passed he, er, stole those powers from other people who happened to have those identical abilities."
I'm confused by Zimmerman's reappearance. I was quite happy when he was in the head of Nathan a la Battlestar Galactica, but is he supposed to be some sort of ghost/hologram now? This has gotten way too silly.
What did happen to Nathan's wife and kids?
He's a mental projection by Parkman's Dad on the orders of Nathan & Peter's Dad. :nuts:
This doesn't explain how he managed to heal Nathan or why they'd bother to use the same trick on Daphne who wouldn't have any idea who he was in the first place. Presumably they're paying Malcom McDowell a set fee and want to get their money's worth.
Oh, so he's a mental projection only some people can see? Right, that explains everything.
Daftest bit was Adam Monroe's elaborate escape plan. Lucky they looked everywhere for him, except in the dumpster they were standing next to. No-one ever hides in dumpsterrs.
And the silent van was very handy. Not more than 20 feet away and they didnt hear it pull up, the doors slam, or hear it drive off again.
The writing is so half-assed beyond belief. This is the honest-to-god creator's response to part of this episode, I'm not kidding.
"Hey how come Sylar didn't hear Mr. Bennett plotting his death when he has super-hearing?"
"He lost all his powers in Season 2."
"But he still has telekenisis?"
"Ah he kept that particular one because it was the first one he absorbed."
"But in the future he still had future-painting and Ted's nuclear ability?"
"Um, in the four years that passed he, er, stole those powers from other people who happened to have those identical abilities."
He could have taken either ability from Peter, and we've already seen that there's an African version of Isaac Mendez, so I don't think it's that unbelievable.
wonderfibre
16-10-2008, 12:31
He's a mental projection by Parkman's Dad on the orders of Nathan & Peter's Dad. :nuts:
This doesn't explain how he managed to heal Nathan
Maybe Nathan's not really healed and it's all a mental projection too :eek:
sweetmate
17-10-2008, 00:50
I think that's pretty much it for me for this programme.
yup I'm done, this program is total garbage.
Errrr what happened to sylars super hearing??
Don't forget, Sylar lost all his powers. He then went and got new ones...
DrVenkman
18-10-2008, 11:01
So Hiro went to the future, saw what was going to happen, came back to the present, swapped the real sword for a fake retractable one? :D
I don't really care to be honest. But anyone who thinks Ando has actually been killed is as stupid as this show frankly.
It's just a cheap lazy shock, that's all.
gavinhanly
18-10-2008, 22:26
Or even Nathan's wife and kids!
I'd completely forgotten about them. Oh dear. Was that thread ever even finished after she was able to walk again? If not, it does make the whole series a little bit made up on the spot...
I'd completely forgotten about them. Oh dear. Was that thread ever even finished after she was able to walk again? If not, it does make the whole series a little bit made up on the spot...
She left him in the gap between season 1 and 2 when he was getting drunk due to his guilt over what (he thought was) the death of Peter.
Niceguygeoff
21-10-2008, 18:57
Blimey. I actually enjoyed this episode a lot. All that time travelling was doing my nut in, and it was such a relief to stay in one time frame. And we actually saw THE ******* STORY make an appearance, what with Petrelli Snr getting Parkman's dad to recruit a super-powered "army".
The only thing that didn't ring true was Hiro knifing Ando, as no-one's ever truly dead in this show. Apart from that I dug it, and after the previous helpings of tosh that's saying something.
I thought this episode was more like it, after a little different start it picking up nicely I'd like to see where the Petrelli Snr storyline goes. Will they be a face off between Ma and Pa Petrelli?
WeaselFierce
26-10-2008, 10:28
Have to say, I'm still enjoying this. The plot holes are nothing compared to The X-Men once they started all the time-travelling ******** so you could argue it's par for the course for, essentially, a comic book series.
Malcolm McDowell is as fun to watch as always. Robert Forster's introduction as papa Petrelli is an inspired piece of casting. Mohinder is as dumb as ever (I'll murder someone and leave a massive blood trail from the park and through my front door! :notworthy). Maya is as annoying as ever.
All in all, I think this series is rattling along quite nicely.
cjanderson
02-11-2008, 19:21
God, meh.
What happened to pa petrilli, have we ever seen him before apart from in pics?
Nathan's wife and kids just left whilst he was elected (and drunk). he did go and find his kids once. Of course all wives just up and leave when hubbies are depressed over the death of their brothers :suspect:
to keep watching or not. probably, too much effort to remove it from Sky+
oh and whats up with Mo? did he kill the drug dealer? and why? did he kill annoying lady? is the coccon another mo?
and is this the first one with nathan speaking at the start and not Mo?
...and it seemd to start off with about ten characters with their hands round someone's neck. Why exactly would Noah Bennett expect Vortex man to be at all compliant because he enters a room pointing a gun at him and saying "Put your hands up in the air" ?!? or maybe I imagined that bit because it couldn't have been that bad, surely.
oh and whats up with Mo? did he kill the drug dealer? and why? did he kill annoying lady? is the coccon another mo?
I'm waiting for Sigourney Weaver to come in the room and shout "Get off of her you BITCH!"
Can't wait to see Queen Mo.
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