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Tom Whitaker
15-12-2001, 13:32
Far too hard to do it justice in terms of analysis without giving too much of the plot away. Suffice to say it looks fantastic, the choice of music borders on the sublime (Good Vibrations in particular), the performances are good to very good all round (even Kurt Russell - what's with that?!), it's deliberately (mostly entertainingly) EDITED... but the ending doesn't quite deliver. It left me with that same first-watch confusion that Fight Club did, but I don't get the feeling that a rewatch will make me consider it a clasic.
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Rather a lot of heavy handed exposition to explain a plot that makes sense, but also ends up rendering itself a little pointless. Things picked up on in the ending could have been better integrated into the main body of the film.
Less of the bad language if you don't mind
Vinyl-Pants
15-12-2001, 13:49
Going on the trailer this looks to be the type of film i'd rather avoid. In fact, I'd rather watch paint dry.
I think the trailer makes the film look fascinating. Love the way it goes completely skewed half way through after a run of the mill start. Weighing up whether to see this or 'Open Your Eyes' first, but excited!
Yonathan Gal
16-12-2001, 18:55
The trailer looked great to me, definately gonna watch it. Looks set to be Crowe's best filmm yet. JM: 7/10. AM: 7/10. This looks to be better. Also wanna watch 'Open Your Eyes'... anyone know where abouts to look for a cheap video copy of it? :)
tj_director
17-12-2001, 00:27
Originally posted by Yonathan Gal
Also wanna watch 'Open Your Eyes'... anyone know where abouts to look for a cheap video copy of it? :)
ditto -- after watching 'The Others' i'm v/interested to see his homegrown material!! :)
And Vanilla Sky looks the biz for me -- christ, forget Crowe, and the two Cruises, i was sold the second i saw miss.Diaz lying in a bed! :nuts:
I can not believe that it will be a better film than open your eyes which was absolutely brilliant. I really like Crowes movies but not sure how this one will work out. The American market holds too many restrictions enforced on it to meet the targets set by huge budgets and huge studios. Even when the original director is responsible it still gets diluted and generally results in unsatisfactory remakes, the vanishing for example. incidentally I think I saw open your eyes very cheaply on region 1 or the region 2 spanish version has great extras but unfortunately none of them have english subs apparently. Tesis is also well worth a watch too.
GrossePointeJack
27-12-2001, 21:08
From what i read - Crowe has kept pretty much to the original, going as far as to even shoot some scenes the same way - from what i heard it's just like he's gone for a straight translation of the film to english - - rather than ruining hte whole thing (like 'The Vanishing')
Downloaded the trailer at work the other day and I'd say it looked an interesting movie (and that was without sound :( ). Needless to say most of the press inches will be devoted to Cruise and Cruz rather than the film in the tabloids.
Looking forward to it. Hope Cameron Crowe makes just as good a job of the eventual DVD as he did with Almost Famous.
I've just seen it and WOW what a fantastic movie. It's showing time just flew by... I could watch it over again right now.
It's a very twisty turny kind of movie and it reminds me of another movie which I will put in spoiler tags for those who have allready seen it Total Recall.
Wow, the trailer looked good and I must say this film delivers, I know it wont be to everyones taste but I loved it.
Not what I was expecting at all, but I loved it.
Thats all I can say right now... Very good!
Mark
Ben Martin
22-01-2002, 01:07
Originally posted by Yonathan Gal
Looks set to be Crowe's best filmm yet. JM: 7/10. AM: 7/10. This looks to be better.
i'm also looking forward to seeing this movie, but it is going to have to be exceptionally good to be better than almost famous. can't see it topping that myself, but i guess we'll see. and almost famous no better than jerry maguire?! surely not?! :eek:
ProgressiveScan
22-01-2002, 04:25
Got all the promo gubbins through at work last week, and I'm interested.
Some interesting clips on the showreel they sent.
Yonathan Gal
22-01-2002, 14:30
It's wierd. I saw almost famous at the cinema in february I think and would give it 7/10, but more recently, I've been thinking about it loads and am thinking more a 9/10 score, but I'll have to see it again, Maybe I'll get the bootleg cut and see what that's like :)
wide_inside
22-01-2002, 20:08
Open your eyes is on TV on Saturday. CH4 I think, at about midnight, give or take 30mins.
wide
ronaldo9
23-01-2002, 00:56
"Abre Los Ojos" is an excellent film, dont know if the new version is worth seeing or not. However Miss Cruz is nude in the Spanish version so check that out at the weekend.
Not this Saturday, the Saturday after - shortly after midnight.
wide_inside
23-01-2002, 17:59
nope, this Sat, midnight 55.
wide
Cap'n Al
24-01-2002, 21:52
I was intrigued by this after seeing the trailer, which made it look like a strange cross between <i>Jerry Maguire</i> and <i>The Matrix</i>. To my surprise, such a description is entirely accurate. Essentially, what we have is an amusing, Crowe-esque romantic comedy that darkens and deepens into one of the weirdest and most twisted films that we've had recently, with an ending that...er...is so odd as to be semi-laughable.
The performances are all excellent, with Cruise on top form, Jason Lee and-oh yes- Timothy Spall very good in supporting roles, and Cruz and Diaz luminous as ever. The soundtrack is absolutely stunning, featuring everyone from U2 to Spiritualized, and the cinematography is excellent. Highly recommended, but it is a far stranger film than the advertising might have you believe (and the talk as I was leaving the cinema was mostly 'Well, that sucked!', so some caution is recommended!)
Saw this tonight and thought it was fantastic :) Problem was seeing it in a cinema with a bunch of 15 year olds whos bloody phones kept going off and when ever the film was quiet you could hear "what the hell is going on", many of em walked out though perhaps they had enough of Toms good looks :D
My review for DVD Times is now up - check out the link in my sig
daredevil
25-01-2002, 00:42
Hello All,
Can someone identify the music track, where Tom Cruise is running down the Manhattan Streets? :confused:
I think its the Chemichal Bros. But not too sure.
Thanks
Daredevil
ProgressiveScan
25-01-2002, 03:57
Originally posted by daredevil
Hello All,
Can someone identify the music track, where Tom Cruise is running down the Manhattan Streets? :confused:
I think its the Chemichal Bros. But not too sure.
Thanks
Daredevil
Soundtrack lists it as Chemical Bros: Where do I begin, the other dance track in the film is Leftfield: Africa Shox.
I definitely liked it; a lot more than Black Hawk Down, even though I was expecting more from BHD than Vanilla Sky.
The choice of music was masterful; I'll enjoy any flick which has Svefn-g-Englar in it!!
The twist at the end though is sufficiently leftfield to ruin the flick for some people, but it's not on a par with A-I.
Arch Stanton
25-01-2002, 09:15
Originally posted by daredevil
Hello All,
Can someone identify the music track, where Tom Cruise is running down the Manhattan Streets? :confused:
I think its the Chemichal Bros. But not too sure.
Thanks
Daredevil
On the trailer it's the Chemical Brothers in the film it's Radiohead.
( well, that's guessing from the clips i've seen on tv over the last week. )
Isn't it "From Rusholme With Love" by Mint Royale, also used in a S2 episode of 'Spaced'?
Watched this last night and really enjoyed it.
I really do like Cameron Crowes work, Cruise is just Cruise and Cruz just ****** me off (body of a 10 year old boy and a very very annoying voice).
Diaz is gorgeous as ever and the soundtrack is brilliant.
I have friends in work who thought it was **** but hey.................
I didnt :)
GrossePointeJack
25-01-2002, 18:06
What is the music where David is RUNNING through times square at the beginning - not on the trailer as thats WHERE DO I BEGIN and i know Radiohead plays prior to that while David is waking up. Its sort of a dance track i think.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks.
I will ask my music question now then :)
What is the song when they are going up the elevator at the end?
Cheers :)
Just back from seeing it and thought it was excellent! At first I thought it was Eyes Wide Shut crossed with American Psycho because of the inability to distinguish dreams from reality and consequences of love theme.
It will be interesting to see "Open Your Eyes" on C4 next week.
daredevil
25-01-2002, 22:00
Hello All
It is indeed "From Rusholme With Love" by Mint Royale on the album 'On the Ropes', when Tom Cruise is running througn the streets of New York.
Cheers to Dene! :D
Regards
Daredevil
Dan is Fat
25-01-2002, 22:48
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I thought the film was great, something really different. I must agree that the ending was compleletly out of left field, but it did work, and it was quite clever....like a random OOOmp of Sci-Fi. I though the acting was great, the music too, it felt so much like a Crowe movie, eve though it was much darker than anything he has done before.
Just for thought.....those who didnt like the ending...any suggestions on how it should have ended i ur oppinion?
thanks, dan :)
Brian Blessed Badger
25-01-2002, 23:23
I saw it on Thursday night and enjoyed it - lots of people seemed a bit confused afterwards even though I felt they'd spelt it out pretty obviously
anyway
I haven't seen Open Your Eyes (yet) - but I would have prefered the ending to have been a touch more ambigious than it was, and i'd have also liked the "bad things" to have been caused by him feeling he didn't deserve it rather than a giltch.
It did keep me wondering how it was going to end though :)
I saw it tonight, boy did it screw my head up. I did enjoy it tho, totally different to hollywood mainstrean beat'emups. I too compared it to American Physcho a little, and thought the soundtrack was excellent and Cruise was on top form.
LoisLane
26-01-2002, 10:13
I saw this last night and thought it was utter pants! It's a little too freaky for my taste and I thought the ending was poor.
Who was Ellie????
GrossePointeJack
26-01-2002, 10:23
Lois - Think of the company at the end and say the name "ellie" slowly...
hometown38
26-01-2002, 13:09
Boy has this film received a good slagging.
Almost every review i've seen or heard this week has been overwhelmingly negative, is it really that bad ?
GrossePointeJack
26-01-2002, 14:43
If i remember - Total Film and Empire liked it and i know todays TIMES has it as their pick of the week. But papers like the DAILY MAIL seem to think of it as an ego trip for Tom Cruise. Now then, do you really think that if you were going to make a film to boost your ego then would you really do a film that requires you to be disfigured for most of the running time.
I dont think so.
I loved it though.
Arch Stanton
26-01-2002, 16:55
Well, the film was no masterpiece but the more i think about it the more it's growing on me.
The biggest suprise in the film for me was that Kurt Russel's a very good actor! :eek:
Excelent soundtrack as everyone's been mentioning. It was almost as if Cameron Crowe had been knicking my cd's...
....hang on where's my copy of Kid A?
Dan is Fat
26-01-2002, 17:08
I agree, i do not think it was an ego trip for tom cruise....
....also, there were quite a few initial disapointments for me after seeing the film, but i have thought about it A LOT since i saw it, i dont know why, but ive got "Good Vybrations" going round in my head, and so i keep thinking about the film....and i like it the more i think about it.
the soundtrack was great...i gotta get a copy!
GrossePointeJack
26-01-2002, 18:25
I have to say though, the use of 'Good Vibrations' just seems really creepy, though at first i thought it was out of place, but the more i think about it...
Would've been nice to see the shootout though (as the trailer has) and as Obre Los Ojos has it as well.
ian_davies
26-01-2002, 20:48
I LOVED IT.
I'm just gonna copy my comments from AICN here. I think that sums it up perfectly:
For the past 6 hours, I've been in a state of disbelief. This film has affected me. It's made me realise where I've been going wrong in my relationships. That I can't live in a dream forever. And that I think, is why I adore this film so much. Everything about it was fantastic, the acting, the setting, the dialogue, the story, the soundtrack, the cinematography, the direction, EVERYTHING. It screwed with my head, and that's what I love about films. When they play around with my feelings of reality and life. If you haven't seen this yet, I strongly urge you to do so. This might end up becoming my favourite film of the year. I can't stop thinking about a special girl thanks to this film. It's brilliant. Roll on a AAA DVD release.
Originally posted by hometown38
Boy has this film received a good slagging.
Almost every review i've seen or heard this week has been overwhelmingly negative, is it really that bad ?
It's worse I'm afraid. I saw this movie on the strength of the trailer alone. Very disappointing. It should have been much better. Great story though, I really want too see the original spanish version now.
I should have known better really. Hollywood remakes - avoid at all cost!
ZX
GrossePointeJack
27-01-2002, 15:33
The only difference in the spanish version is the tone and the soundtrack as far as im concerned.
Though i read 2 reviews today in two newspapers - ******SPOILER one seemed to be saying that Crowe became lazy and pinned the whole thing down as a dream - due to lazy screenwriting he said - now is it me or was that reviewer totally wrong?****END SPOILER
Great soundtrack though.
Dan is Fat
27-01-2002, 16:14
Yeah, what are the big differences between the original and the "Cover version"? You know, plot wise, and what happens wise?
dmb6473a
27-01-2002, 17:12
Girlfriend loved it, but I wasn't so keen.
The ending is a bit of a cop-out. Some films which have a twist at the end (Sixth Sense, Unbreakable, Memento, etc.) leave you with a jaw-dropping "Wow!". This just leaves you with an "Oh, right. Well that was worth waiting for."
The Sci-Fi rubbish just seemed completely out of place with the rest of the film.
WOW! Just got back from seeing this, and oh my god, what an amazing film! It messed with my head the whole time and I was sat thinking 'If this doesnt explain itself at the end i'll be really annoyed' lol. Ive never been to New york, hopefully going in May *really excited* but I realised that the skyscraper they are on at the end doesnt actually exist
Its way too huge!:nuts:
Morpheus2000
27-01-2002, 23:01
In Vanilla Sky Tom Cruise plays David Aames in which he has a friend Julie Gianni (Cameron Diaz) that sleep together but then he meets Sofia Serrano (Penelope Cruz). He falls in love with Sofia and Julie is already in love with him so she commits suicide by driving her car over a bridge with David also in the car. David is then scarred so he needs plastic surgery in which he starts to wallow in self pity and then looses his friends. Watch out for a cameo by Steven Spielberg.
The film actually starts off quite well, told in flashback while he's speaking to a psychologist Dr. McCabe (Kurt Russell) so the viewer is expecting a decent enough thriller. This doesn't really work as the flashbacks end up being annoying as they ruin the flow of the story.
What really lets the film down is the really stupid ending which doesn't work at all. This film is actually a remake of horror film, which I didn't like either. Since the ending is so bad this film is made a complete mockery and one to be avoided as it's overlong.
It's directed by Cameron Crowe who also did Jerry Maguire and Almost Famous but this is one of his poorer efforts.
Spudlington
28-01-2002, 00:44
just saw this sunday night, and was a bit underwhelmed tbh... it just wasn't a very good film.
the acting, cinematography, music (always love that rez track) and dialogue were often excellent, it was just the plot that didn't grab me, i wasn't excited at all by the film, i wasn't left bewildered as much as i should have been, i just thought his head's messed up, and that was it.
don't get me wrong, the film has its plus points ("fluffbuddy":clap: ), and I'm glad I've seen it, but there was just something missing from the direction and plot that left me a little cold.
aaanyway, time for some sleep, and to guess what Cruz will tell Cruise when they are both cats.
hmmmm - so so.
I would definitely say that the Chilean director has been plundering Hollywood for his ideas. As stated above, it did seem a little like Total Recall, but was far more similar to Jacob's Ladder. Infact - I'd go as far as to say that I think it was 'based' on Jacob's Ladder, in the same way that The Others was 'based' on The Sixth Sense (with a touch of Beetlejuice thrown in).
It's definitely worth the once over, and had some nice touches. But all the comments about the soundtrack.... OK, we all like some nice songs in a movie, but I can't remember ever thinking that we were as much listening to a director's CD collection as well as watching his film. A lot of the tracks felt forced, in a way the likes of Tarantino & Scorsese can manage quite naturally.
And Britain's finest actor Timothy Spall failed to make much of an impact. If his part was played by someone else it wouldn't have made a smidgen of a difference. Same as Rock Star really.
Interesting, but no classic.
ProgressiveScan
28-01-2002, 06:16
Originally posted by hometown38
Boy has this film received a good slagging.
Almost every review i've seen or heard this week has been overwhelmingly negative, is it really that bad ?
Mark Kermode did his usual hatchet job: "I was biting the back of my seat to get out of the screening, it was that bad".
Jeez, what that guy knows about the mechanics of film reviewing can literally be written on a postage stamp.
Does he really think directors make films simply to satisfy the critic?
God, I'd love to punch his smug, self-satisfying lights out.
Michael Brooke
28-01-2002, 07:57
<B>Now then, do you really think that if you were going to make a film to boost your ego then would you really do a film that requires you to be disfigured for most of the running time. </B>
In a word: yes - the odds in favour of getting an Oscar are that much greater if you play a disabled character. If you don't believe me, just look at some of the winners over the last twenty years or so!
I caught this film yesterday and throughly enjoyed it. Having not seen the original (yet), and making sure I didn't read anything about it, I was kept guessing right 'til the end.
Yes it's derivative, yes it has it's flaws, but that didn't make it any less enjoyable for me.
What with this AND Mulholland Drive in the same week, my head is a bit like strawberry blancmange!:nuts:
John Jennings
28-01-2002, 11:08
Originally posted by McD
But all the comments about the soundtrack.... OK, we all like some nice songs in a movie, but I can't remember ever thinking that we were as much listening to a director's CD collection as well as watching his film.
Yeah, it was pretty weird hearing the Porpoise Song by The Monkees in a present day film!
I watched it Saturday, really enjoyed it.
One thing I found amusing is that Cruise seems to have some sort of mask theme running through his latter movies (<I>Eyes Wide Shut</i>, <I>Mission: Impossible 2</I>) :p
Gonna watch the spanish original next week...
Interestingly Cruise's next movie with Spielberg is another mind fhttp://www.thedvdforums.com/forums/images/icons/Loco.gifer!
Did anyone notice that Tom Cruise's apartment building is the same one used in Rosemary's Baby. The film shares a near identical opening shot. The building looks very ordinary from the street, but gothic from the air. John Lennon was shot dead at the entrance.
Foxy Slamdangle
28-01-2002, 16:21
Originally posted by McD
Interesting, but no classic.
Couldn't have put it better myself. The film oozes with self importance despite the fact it has very little to back it up.
Must try harder.
stantheman
28-01-2002, 18:22
The jury is still out on this one for me.
For some reason I came out feeling very depressed.
I tend to go to the movies to feel the opposite.
Would like to view again though to pick up on all the hints and messages that I missed through the film. (Is it true there are supposed to be hundreds of them?)
Yonathan Gal
28-01-2002, 19:02
I loved it!! Mesmerising, intelligent, touching and great music! So different to the normal dumb blockbusters we get these days... I feel peple don't appreciate an intelligent film when they get one, yet complain about the likes of JP3, POTA etc, big dumb ufun. this was great. not as good as Memento though :) 9/10 for this one I think :):)
wabznasm
29-01-2002, 13:24
Originally posted by Quint
I will ask my music question now then :)
What is the song when they are going up the elevator at the end?
Cheers :)
That's 'Ladies and Gentlemen we are floating in space' by Spiritualized off their album of the same name.
A little bit late in the thread, but I thought it was crackin:clap:
Soundtrack was top notch, and the acting was to be commended.
It didn't exactly "blow me away" but I was completely entertained and impressed by this film!
Top Stuff
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Morpheus2000
29-01-2002, 16:09
Originally posted by McD
hmmmm - so so.
I would definitely say that the Chilean director has been plundering Hollywood for his ideas. As stated above, it did seem a little like Total Recall, but was far more similar to Jacob's Ladder. Infact - I'd go as far as to say that I think it was 'based' on Jacob's Ladder, in the same way that The Others was 'based' on The Sixth Sense (with a touch of Beetlejuice thrown in).
It most certainly is!
Originally posted by LoisLane
Who was Ellie????
L.E - Life Extention
stantheman
29-01-2002, 23:14
For the complete list of 41 songs in order:
Amazon.com
music/vanilla sky.
Scroll down to first spotlight review.
tj_director
29-01-2002, 23:54
agree with Ian/aicn -- i just loved it. From an entertainment POV, it does feel slightly tedious in the middle, but i'm sure with a 2nd viewing it won't feel that way. But from a 6hr later POV, this film is one of those films that sticks in your mind.
I personally didn't feel the ending was a cop out or poor etc.. in fact, probably just me, but everything after the point 'Good Vibrations' plays, just had me loving every second -- it's one of those moments when i remember why i love films so much, in fact i LOVE the ending! ... but that's probably just me :o
i couldn't say it's one of Cameron's poorest films, i reckon it's actually his strongest from a Directing standpoint. And is there actually a point to to the film?... i certainly saw it. It just happened to be a film i just connected to, but i'd be hesitant to recommend it to some people i know, i can see it having that 'Magnolia' effect of splitting audiences :)
John Jennings
30-01-2002, 08:42
Originally posted by wabznasm
That's 'Ladies and Gentlemen we are floating in space' by Spiritualized off their album of the same name.
Hey, Wabznasm,
Manfred Thirty-Six Borough? Or am I talking nonsense?
John
wabznasm
30-01-2002, 14:24
Originally posted by John Jennings
Hey, Wabznasm,
Manfred Thirty-Six Borough? Or am I talking nonsense?
John
Not at all.
John Jennings
30-01-2002, 15:39
This is Britain...and everything's alright. It's alright.....
wabznasm
30-01-2002, 15:50
Everything's fine...
for all of you that dont know (though i suspect that most of you do) the original spanish version 'Open Your Eyes' is on channel 4 this saturday.
Originally posted by stantheman
The jury is still out on this one for me.
For some reason I came out feeling very depressed.
I tend to go to the movies to feel the opposite.
Had i gone to see this alone, without my girlfriend or maybe not being in a relationship, I know it would have depressed me to hell, but instead...because I am in a relationship, it made me feeling very heartwarmed :D
tigrr_uk
31-01-2002, 08:35
Did anyone notice that the guy that Tom hugged at his party was Steven Spielberg??
Just check it on IMDB and it was.
Soz, if it's been mentioned before.
tj_director
31-01-2002, 21:43
Originally posted by tigrr_uk
Did anyone notice that the guy that Tom hugged at his party was Steven Spielberg??
Just check it on IMDB and it was.
cool! never recognised that! .. i'll surely be watching it again, so something to look out for!! :cool:
Dan is Fat
01-02-2002, 06:48
Originally posted by tigrr_uk
Did anyone notice that the guy that Tom hugged at his party was Steven Spielberg??
Yeah, i noticed Spielberg. I remember having heard it somewhere before, and then i saw it and i was still suprised.
The stupid fool sitting next to me said "Oh cool, he is like Hitchcock doing a cameo in his movies!"
How much did i want to turn and laugh at him.
Great film though.
cant wait for the dvd. yey :clap:
tigrr_uk
01-02-2002, 08:50
The more I think about this film, the more I loved it.
Fair doos to the people that didn't, thats their oppinion, but I thought it was fantastic.
I'd have to agree!
I really enjoyed it at the cinema! But the way it keeps you thinking about it since seeing it makes it even better for me like!
ickle yoda1
02-02-2002, 22:25
I didnt know what to expect from this film and didnt know too much of the plot and I came away loving it!
I thought to myself at certain points ( that wouldnt happen ) ( she wouldnt say that etc ) then at the end I realised why these things were happening if you follow my meaning? What I mean in particular is the fact that Cruz wants to get away from him after the nightclub then is suddenley she is best friends again in the morning.
I liked the film, very clever with to my mind a great ending.
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Pike Bishop
04-02-2002, 09:12
Well, I watched this film last night and really liked it.
I'm not a big fan of Tom Cruise, in fact I'd usually avoid his movies if I could however the premise of this film and a few comments from people who had seen it made me think it was my sort of film.
I found it very thought provoking and really quite personal. The underlying theme of falling in love with your dreams was really quite beautiful and personal to me.
I thought the cast were good, especially Kurt Russell which was a surprise. Cruise was pretty good although I can never work out if I like his performances or not. Diaz looked absolutely stunning.
The ending may have been a little bit too far explained if you know what I mean, in that every little detail had to be explained to the audience rather than letting you make your own mind up. I don't like this in films as it is rather patronising.
Overall a great movie.
One point though the bit where Tome Cruise jumps off a skyscraper with the twin towers in the background seemed a little distasteful to me.
Steve1977
09-02-2002, 11:39
Distasteful? Only in your mind. Had they took it out it would have been pandering to the politicially correct brigade. The guy actually jumps off the skyscraper in the original film. This film was set in new york. I highly doubt they set it in new york just to have the shot of him jumping off the building to remind us of what happened on september 11th. :rolleyes:
baconjoe
13-02-2002, 08:39
The whole film was a dream, from beginning to end. He only woke up at the end, just before the credits rolled.
Oob!
No , the whole film was a nightmare. I spent the whole thing getting progressively more and more irritated with it but I stuck with it thinking the payoff at the end would be good and make it all worthwhile. Sadly the "explanation" at the end was total cack. Haven't been so annoyed at a film since Fight Club went from being the best film ever made to utter pants about 2/3 of the way through thanks to its idiotic cop-out surprise plot twist.
baconjoe
13-02-2002, 15:19
You obviously didnt get it!
Oob!
saw this last night, at a packed warner village, and thought it was superb. i only wish they'd have left the ending a bit more open a hint that he was just a loony would have been cool although i also like baconjoe's perspective on things, I hadn't thought of that! :)
baconjoe
15-02-2002, 15:46
Seems
this chap (http://us.imdb.com/boards/showpost.pl?Cat=&Board=b0259711&Number=1034788&page=1&view=collapsed&sb=5)
agrees with joe...
ProgressiveScan
16-02-2002, 07:26
Originally posted by Steve1977
Distasteful? Only in your mind. Had they took it out it would have been pandering to the politicially correct brigade. The guy actually jumps off the skyscraper in the original film. This film was set in new york. I highly doubt they set it in new york just to have the shot of him jumping off the building to remind us of what happened on september 11th. :rolleyes:
Personally, I wince whenever I see the Twin Towers now, dunno why...I think the 10th Kingdom's opening credits are far worse, because we see the TT collapsing!!!
But the shot of Cruise throwing himself off the skyscraper fits fine, seeing as it's happening in a facsimile world created by his mind.
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