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Harsin

04-12-2007, 19:12

I thought it was pretty underwhelming.

Sylar has his powers back *yawn* his Wile E. Coyote escape acts were becoming tiresome 3/4 of the way through Series 1, now they're almost a parody.

Adam in a box so he can be pulled out again as soon as the writers run out of ideas, which going on form should be about three episodes from now.

nsb

04-12-2007, 19:12

So was this the rewritten episode or the original one they planned?

Thought it was fairly weak myself

Ragnarak

04-12-2007, 19:57

Was the shooter not HRG?

Francis

04-12-2007, 19:59

Nathan's speech on the podium felt very cringeworthy, kept waiting for a shot of an American flag fluttering in the wind.

Doubt it was a time travelling Peter doing the shooting, the Angela Petrelli phonecall bit implied the company had done it to keep him quiet to me, can't see how they would arrange for another Peter to do it.

Having to end the season now certainly didn't do them any favours, suppose they could have done a worse job to be fair.

atmn78

04-12-2007, 20:02

Damn that stupid healing virus!

:)

So was this the rewritten episode or the original one they planned?

Thought it was fairly weak myself

This season has had its moments but Im starting to go off heroes. Im loving Journeyman though.

raymondlin

04-12-2007, 20:07

Why didn't Peter just walk through the vault ?

Francis

04-12-2007, 20:17

Had a quick go at trying to get a decent screenie of the shooter, not too good though.

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/9476/shooter01ea2.th.jpg (http://img521.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shooter01ea2.jpg)

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/1673/shooter02vb3.th.jpg (http://img521.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shooter02vb3.jpg)

HRG would make sense.

swanny

04-12-2007, 20:28

Loved it.

Looks like Heroes is going off the DVDF cool list. :lol:

AndyWilson

04-12-2007, 20:34

I thought it was a great "finale" - did everything a Lost finale doesn't - wrapped up storylines but leaving cliffhangers for next series/volume.

I thought the shooter was HRG - didn't he agree to be the Company's Gimp in return for his family to be left alone?

As for Adam, I liked that - it certainly showed a sadistic side to Hiro!

As the next volume is called "Villians" I'm guessing it's going to centre around Sylar - possibly as a Magneto figure, gathering together a posse of baddies?

I just hope the strike gets settled and writers get what they deserve soon, so we don't have to wait 10 months until the next episode!

raymondlin

04-12-2007, 20:42

didnt the shooter look like peter to anyone else? poss time traveling?

I thought the same too, it looked like Peter to me.

nsb

04-12-2007, 20:43

I love Elle's ambush tactics.

Calling Sylar's name BEFORE attacking.

MrHat001

04-12-2007, 21:13

One of the ideas circulating around is that it was Bizzaro Peter from the timeline that we saw Hiro travel to last season.
I think it's more likely that it was HRG, Bizzaro Peter would have had a range of powers to use to either kill Nathan or disappear afterwards.

tpr007

04-12-2007, 21:39

a future Nathan being sent back as he knew he'd made a mistake?

Maybe HRG but the hair was too black.

Since Sylar had "examined" the brain of that girl at the beginning of the series who could alter perception, will he be able to give himself that ability now?

36Degrees

04-12-2007, 22:00

*yawn*

Before Niki came along, I thought the creators/writers were being racist in which "heroes" they were killing... oh well.

Loved the way Peter just went "go away Hiro, bam"... what a resolution to a cliffhanger!

As for Syler... yay great?

Can't wait for Lost to come back... (oh god).

fivebyfive

04-12-2007, 22:10

I think the shooter was noah, (the company ordered the killing as they recorded the bit in the vault) One stupid thing was Hiro saw Peter trying to release the virus in the past but didn't say anything to peter about it :cuckoo:

If nikki is dead, it was a poor trade for the dull Monica

I really hope season 3 improves over this season, it had some good episodes but had some poor writing, with some poorly written/dull new characters.

robzinski

04-12-2007, 22:16

I thought it looked like Future-Peter walking away.

Other than that, it was a bit :|. They could have let south-american sister die, and left memory girl in the fire as well, and we'd have been exactly where we expected to be come the start of season 2, except with the added bonus of Kristen Bell.

Questions of the week:
Does Adam not need oxygen?
Will Nathan stay dead, or will Claire find that losing two dads in a day is too much and ressurect him?
Who did Mohinder think would be watching the TV feed? Its notlike Goldfinger could have come and rescued him them?
How was Sylar using his 'Persuasive voice' early on in the episode when he didn't have his powers back yet?
What possible point is there to the continued 'Micah and the memory girl' storyline in the grand scheme of things. Can the writers please do a 'Mandy' from the end of the first series of The West Wing and just forget about them?

Spooky_uk

04-12-2007, 22:21

biggest quesiton for me is what is bobs power? he is in the picture, he must have one... :?:

TonyG

04-12-2007, 22:22

One thing this episode proved, Heroes cant do proper, exciting finales. It all felt very rushed & I considered giving them the benefit of the doubt, having to change things as it became a season finale, but considering how disappointing this season has been so far, it doesn't surprise me this was poor.

The main problem now is there is just no dramatic impact at all when anyone gets killed. Now that we have the super-duper all-healing blood and/or time-travel, everyone can be brought back. It's a show that aspires to be like a comicbook, being inflicted with all the problems that comes with superhero comicbook storytelling.

This season will struggle to find a spot in my 07-08 top-ten, and that's even with a disappointing selection of new shows on offer.

fivebyfive

04-12-2007, 22:23

biggest quesiton for me is what is bobs power? he is in the picture, he must have one... :?:

he can turn things into gold

also why didn't they use Molly to find Sylar? Molly has to use something of the person but they had Sylar's blood (I'm guessing to get round of tracking him down it has to be personal item like a picture, item etc) :suspect:

Jungle Ted

04-12-2007, 22:30

Can't remember, but have we found out what Noah's power is yet? I remember it was alluded to in an earlier episode but never expanded on.

Little_Dragon

04-12-2007, 22:37

Why didn't Peter just walk through the vault ?

I didnt understand that one either, after all he took Adam through the cell walls.

Little_Dragon

04-12-2007, 22:41

Also, why didnt Peter freeze time and go and see who the shooter was, or jump back 2 minutes and lightning bolt him as he pulled out the gun.

Making Peter so powerful is the writers undoing I think, as it leads to stupid questions like mine all the time :)

raymondlin

04-12-2007, 22:42

I didnt understand that one either, after all he took Adam through the cell walls.

Havent watched S1 in a while, so can someone tell me when Sylar got healing powers, as I cant remember that.

He didn't, the blood in injected is Claire's blood mixed with Mohinder's and it only has temporary healing powers, he would still injured or die.

Little_Dragon

04-12-2007, 22:43

Yeah, just realised my mistake and edited my post to amend stupidness. Damn, too late :D

fivebyfive

04-12-2007, 22:43

I didnt understand that one either, after all he took Adam through the cell walls.

Havent watched S1 in a while, so can someone tell me when Sylar got healing powers, as I cant remember that.

the blood healed his wounds but it does not have the power (beaten to it)

Can't remember, but have we found out what Noah's power is yet?

He does not have one (quite sure)

I bet sylar is going to team with adam to get payback next season

Captain_Howdy666

04-12-2007, 22:44

Nevermind.

raymondlin

04-12-2007, 22:44

Little_Dragon

04-12-2007, 22:48

May be he IS the shooter, and he DID go back in time and had the whole conversation with himself.

My head hurts :p

raymondlin

04-12-2007, 22:49

This season will struggle to find a spot in my 07-08 top-ten, and that's even with a disappointing selection of new shows on offer.

I think so far my top shows this season has been.

New shows - Chuck, Samantha Who, Californication, Reaper

Old shows - House

I still haven't seen any of my old favourites like Grey's, CSI.

1966

04-12-2007, 22:58

So when's it back then?

dvds2000

04-12-2007, 23:56

September 2008 I think

cockbongo

05-12-2007, 00:02

Yeah, the shooter had to be Noah.

So it felt very much to me that in one episode the writers were rewinding the show back to its Season 1 roots, almost as if they were well aware of how bad it had become. And as for this whole virus nonsense, it was *so* badly handled that it never ever felt like any kind of threat. No character ever looked like dying from it at any point, did they? As for the future, come on, who really cares about Caitlin, or was ever convinced that Peter "loved" her and that's why he was helping Adam?

It was a relatively interesting finale though, and I hope that while they spend their time picketing outside the studios the writers think about what they've done and pretend the whole sorry mess never happened. Never look back, guys, come on, time to redeem yourselves with some interesting, dramatic and involving writing for Volume 3.

Jimlad

05-12-2007, 00:31

gutted really, everyone is so powerful now it seems imposbbile for them to pull it back...... bit worried for the show to be honest!

statto

05-12-2007, 00:35

Loved it.

Looks like Heroes is going off the DVDF cool list. :lol:

I wouldn't go so far as to say I 'loved' this finale, but it's pretty good when compared to the finale for season one, especially when you consider this was never intended to end the season.

I find the whole Heroes backlash kind of strange really. My favourite new show this year has been Chuck, but I still much prefer Heroes. People have to try to avoid getting sucked into the 'best series ever' hype that shows like this generate. Lost had the same problems (and is another show I've constantly found enjoyable).

I think the reason they wrote Peter pulling the door off the vault was so they wouldn't have to get Adam to explain why he wanted to wait until they got outside before destroying the virus (I'm presuming the interior is airtight).

I think they made the shooter obscure enough so that they can make it whoever they want. My guess would be HRG. I was curious what Ma Patrelli was talking about when she mentioned 'opening a Pandora's box', as surely assassinating Nathan was preventing it's opening?

roddy

05-12-2007, 04:35

About as good as it could be expected to be, given the great big convoluted mess that the plot has become now they're letting people whiz in and out of time as they see fit.

Much as I'd like to pick holes in the plot it's just too easy.

anephric

05-12-2007, 05:32

The only power they should have never introduced is Hiro's - fine when he was limited and didn't know how to use it properly or it failed spontaneously, but now that Peter has it too it just opens up so many plot holes or ridiculous leaps of logic that it's damningly problematic.

Time travel is so often the fallback of the lazy scriptwriter and here they've just made the rod for their own backs. They should've limited Hiro somehow, or made there be graver consequences for his meddling (alright, his father dying and breeding a monster who wants to sterilise the world notwithstanding. He still zaps about willy-nilly).

wong fei hong

05-12-2007, 06:38

What happened to Caitlin if they prevented the 'timeline' Peter left her in from ever occuring? Is she now nowhere? Trapped in a future that Peter and Hiro can't now access?

And while I had fun with the episode, I really don't believe that anyone's permanently dead anymore, and I think that's a dramatic failure.

Harsin

05-12-2007, 07:51

While we're on the "Peter should have train..." I like how the writers 'forgot' that he's well aware that he can walk through solid matter (and take pals along with him) when confronted by the safe.

Disappearer

05-12-2007, 09:09

That just felt way too rushed after the slow build up. They really need to up their game considerably in the next volume/season if they want to keep hold of their audience or they'll be dropping like flies.

statto

05-12-2007, 10:58

While we're on the "Peter should have train..." I like how the writers 'forgot' that he's well aware that he can walk through solid matter (and take pals along with him) when confronted by the safe.

I think that was already mentioned. He could also have teleported in. Like I posted, if he did either of those things the writers have problems conveying the idea of jeopardy, as Peter can destroy the virus in a contained space.

I thought it was interesting how Hiro got one over on Peter initially, even though he was using a power Peter has access to. I think they could expand on the idea that Peter doesn't use his powers to the full (ie Those that only have one power have really thought about the best way to use it, whereas Peter, with his many powers, just wings it).

Harsin

05-12-2007, 11:03

Like I say they've made a real problem for themselves by having characters waaaaay to powerful. At the moment Peter could take down the entire Justice League on his own if he wanted to. The writers obviously love Watchmen, pity they haven't got the skill to handle a godlike character like Alan Moore.

Of all the characters they could have killed they knock off two with powers that aren't plot breaking.

Space Duck

05-12-2007, 11:04

The only option is... Peter has to die.... :D

I liked this episode, not as good as first season but it was getting interesting again. Veronica Mars is going to switch teams me thinks... :D

TonyG

05-12-2007, 11:24

Veronica Mars is going to switch teams me thinks... :D
Indeed. Who needs tv writers? .... Next season, Veronica & Cheerleader bint have a lesbian affair ..... ratings soar, show saved. :D

Space Duck

05-12-2007, 11:33

Well it makes sense... surely if VM begins to hate the company... that would bring her closer to the cheerleader, at least then daddy doesn't have to worry about clare bringing boys home... just the psychotic ex company mutie upstairs schlepping is daughter :D

Harsin

05-12-2007, 11:43

Yeah but it's network not HBO or Showtime, so at most we'd get a glimpse of side-boob.

TonyG

05-12-2007, 11:50

cockbongo

05-12-2007, 12:18

I can picture the scene now .... Clare drinking from Veronica's furry cup, bringing her to orgasm for the very first time .... the resultant EMP explosion takes out most the West Coast & the final shot is of Clare, stumbling out the rubble, in her charred cheerleader outfit with that goofy big :D she has.

So that's episode 1 of Season 3.... The rest of the season has Hiro taking the rest of our "Heroes" back in time to before the Orgasmic-Bomb went off, and every week, each episode has one of the male "heroes" attempting to turn Clare/Veronica straight by banging them in various positions for 42 minutes. :D

The above took me all of two minutes to come up with ... and those Writers have a cheek to moan about being underpaid with their 200k/year salaries?

Jesus man, that's inspired! And to think, that girl from New Orleans would only have to watch Claire and Elle for a couple of minutes to pick up what they're doing (and join in). Micah would be on "toys", erm, this is starting to cross the line....

Mind you, don't you think that the male writers of Heroes must have a ball thinking about this very thing and probably have a couple of "special drafts" hidden away somewhere......

vulture

05-12-2007, 12:25

Season 2 so far has been pretty dire. It took a while to get going, a few decent episodes, and then a **** ending.

sparkyrob

05-12-2007, 15:02

Compared to the naffness of the first few episodes, this finale seemed fantastic.

If only they didn't have the (already gotten old) magic blood plot device to resurrect people left, right and centre, I might start caring when someone dies.

Will Nathan come back to life? Won't he? Do I care? Like people have said - some people and objects are way too powerful.

I did like the modern David Eddings "Zedar-like" imprisonment of Adam though :dork:

MrHat001

05-12-2007, 15:21

.... Next season, Veronica & Cheerleader bint have a lesbian affair .....
"Claire! Elle's suffering from a severe groin strain, we need her to bring down Sylar. Perhaps your saliva has the same healing effect as your blood ... erm ... give it a try."

But given the somewhat perverted Heroes discussions I've seen on the net (so Claire's hymen would heal after right?) that's probably a bit banal.

fivebyfive

05-12-2007, 16:12

wouldn't peter's blood heal Nathan? (he has the same power as claire)

Spooksta

05-12-2007, 16:45

I think some of you are getting into this area....

http://www.multigamers.co.uk/datas/users/74-nitpickers.jpg

Chill out and enjoy it, dont pick at it :thumbs:

Steve Jackson

05-12-2007, 16:46

As the next volume is called "Villians" I'm guessing it's going to centre around Sylar - possibly as a Magneto figure, gathering together a posse of baddies?
I can't see it. Why would he team with other people when he can simply kill them and obtain their powers for himself? I think teaming up with anyone else would be out of character for him.

I bet sylar is going to team with adam to get payback next season
Considering his power, surely Adam would be one of the first people he would kill?

I was very surprised that Veronica, sorry Elle didn't get killed went she went off to make her Daddy proud, and also that HRG guy didn't say "dead" for very long.

Has it been confirmed that, whenever the strike ends now, that this is the end of season two and so the last episode until next September?

Spooksta

05-12-2007, 16:48

Have you seen this man :D

http://www.multigamers.co.uk/datas/users/74-nup_105715_0621_2.jpg

chunky monkey

05-12-2007, 16:58

I enjoyed this 'last' episode for the time being. It did feel a tad rushed and I was sorry to see Nathan bite the bullet. Adam will return I'm sure.
As for the shooter it did look like HRG to me. And as for Bob, I read that the producers have siad that Bob has several abilities and turning items into gold is just one of them. Hiro's papa will also be back as we're due to discover his numerous abilities too. (He's dead, so I presume in flashbacks?) Interesting me thinks.:thumbs:

That said, I did like the Nathan from the furute shooting himself theory.

Apep

05-12-2007, 17:42

But given the somewhat perverted Heroes discussions I've seen on the net (so Claire's hymen would heal after right?) that's probably a bit banal.

That's a bloody good question, it could get nasty! Might be a bit like getting stuck in a Chinese finger trap, only more painful.

Busby

05-12-2007, 18:55

That said, I did like the Nathan from the furute shooting himself theory.

But if he shot himself he wouldn't be able to go back in time to shoot himself and therefore he could go back in time......Ahhhhhhhhh

I hate it when Time travel enters any sci fi shows.

Tin open paradoxes everywhere!!!!

Drysolder

05-12-2007, 18:58

I think some of you are getting into this area....

http://www.multigamers.co.uk/datas/users/74-nitpickers.jpg

Chill out and enjoy it, dont pick at it :thumbs:

No, but they opened the box marked 'Voyager' and pressed the button marked 'End of episode reset switch'.

cockbongo

05-12-2007, 19:15

That's a bloody good question, it could get nasty! Might be a bit like getting stuck in a Chinese finger trap, only more painful.

You might want to read Harry Knowles' very detailed speculation on Claire's "abilities"...

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/30606

cockbongo

05-12-2007, 19:18

No, but they opened the box marked 'Voyager' and pressed the button marked 'End of episode reset switch'.

But in this particular case it was *completely* the right button to press.

Space Duck

05-12-2007, 19:45

:lol: WHat has Ducky done? :lol:

Why did Suresh say "Nikki?" when it looked like he dropped something when Sylar left... *tries to pretend he's not disturbed by the DIY Vaginal Reguvination that is claire*

fivebyfive

05-12-2007, 19:48

Space Duck

05-12-2007, 19:51

Oh I got that bit... it just looked like their was a vial on the floor and it was cracked... but i only glanced it... it was after peter destroyed the first batch, so I figured the virus was meant to be released one way or another... :D

DamienB

05-12-2007, 21:03

The plot holes are yawning wide open now sadly, and threatening to engulf it all.

Not caring when a character dies because you know they can be brought back is going to be a very difficult hurdle for series 3 to overcome...

Xenomorph

05-12-2007, 21:54

Peter has to die. Hiro has to die.

And quickly.

Jimlad

06-12-2007, 00:05

Hiro needs to die........ peter then somehow loses the teleport skill, and all this blood swapping needs to stop........

Jimlad

06-12-2007, 00:09

You might want to read Harry Knowles' very detailed speculation on Claire's "abilities"...

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/30606

classic!:clap:

Harsin

06-12-2007, 07:47

I liked them all sitting around angsting that Sylar had escaped when Molly was about two bloody feet way.

Xenomorph

06-12-2007, 08:28

I presume they've basically abandoned whatever plans they had for the dull twins? Way to waste a quarter of the bloody season. I mean I know she's still alive but can't see what they're going to do now.

The problem is there is very little reason for anyone to think about things and work together. The solution to any given situation is to go find Peter or Hiro.

One of my favourite bits in X-Men 3 was when Magneto was chucking around cars and Pyro was setting them on fire as he did so. I want stuff like that happening. Every week.

I'm hoping for a 24 season 5 episode 1 type situation when it comes back.

Herbal

06-12-2007, 09:08

I enjoyed the epsiode but overall the whole season has been a big let down. The first 6/7 epsiodes went along at a snail pace and the introducing of stupid new characters did not help.

They need to kill one of the big stars and start with a bang.

I think the biggest mistake they have done is giving Peter far too many powers in such a short time.

Peter Griffin

06-12-2007, 09:47

If they get a good quality team of new writers for the new season they can sort out the mess and start making the show what it should be.

Peter for instance should lose abilities somehow and at those points where we all think 'why didn't he just do this/do that' they should show him trying and failing for one reason or another. Eg, when Nathan was shot Peter tries desperately to use Hiro's power but can't figure out how to do it, or he panics and tries to chase the guy but can't leave Nathan's side.

The new characters they introduced should be ignored because lets face it, they were awful! And I agree an important death of a couple of main characters should kick off series 3. The whole 'magic blood' thing can be sorted out if they have it cease to work.

I hope its not another world threat (or New York threat) that the main plot line revolves around. That's not necessary, it can just as easily be about the heroes individual battles.

statto

06-12-2007, 11:05

If they get a good quality team of new writers for the new season they can sort out the mess and start making the show what it should be.

I'll pop up to defend it again, as in the thread about 'is Heroes season 2 as bad as people say, most seem to agree with me. While the show may have started a little slowly, I've enjoyed every episode. Imagine the writers strike had happened last year and we only had 11 episodes in season one. All of the amazing episodes came way after that point.

Peter for instance should lose abilities somehow and at those points where we all think 'why didn't he just do this/do that' they should show him trying and failing for one reason or another. Eg, when Nathan was shot Peter tries desperately to use Hiro's power but can't figure out how to do it, or he panics and tries to chase the guy but can't leave Nathan's side.

Peter has a ridiculous number of powers, but the person who shot Nathan could just as easily have put one in Peter's head instead. Let's not forgot that Peter is nowhere near as invincible as people make him out to be.

The new characters they introduced should be ignored because lets face it, they were awful!

Elle? Bob? Partman's dad?

AndrewP

06-12-2007, 11:56

Can Hiro save someone's life by changing the past? In season one he tried to save the cafe girl from sylar, he succeeded didn't he but then she died of cancer instead, or am I mistaken?

wonderfibre

06-12-2007, 11:57

Elle? Bob? Partman's dad?

twins? memory girl?

statto

06-12-2007, 15:25

twins? memory girl?

Don't forget flying boy :D

My point is that not all of the characters they've introduced are that bad, and the worst one is dead already. Heck, even West isn't as bad now they've stopped writing him like an OC reject.

DamienB

06-12-2007, 16:21

...the worst one is dead already.

Until they pop some blood in him and bring him back to life.

See the huge problem the series has given itself now...?

fivebyfive

06-12-2007, 16:33

it could be it only works within 24 hours (I don't think even the writers know)

robzinski

06-12-2007, 17:58

They should make Peter into the anit-Sylar. Sylar can only use the powers of those he's killed and studied, where as Peter should lose the use of powers of people that die, are ill, or otherwise engaged.

That would explain why he didn't use DLs morphing thing in the vault, or Hiro's teleportation as he was unconcious. This would also bring in a bit of unpredictability to Peter, as he would never know which powers he could call on at what time.

Captain_Howdy666

06-12-2007, 17:59

Re: the virus; Peter was seen applying nuclear power to the vial with the virus in and then the DNA symbol wotsit was shown on his hand as the dust fell away. I was thinking that to kill off Peter he could contractthe virus at that moment which would wipe out his abilities then kill him. But Peter's regenetive(sp?) powers will surely just force the virus out of his system or will it?

ed_mcl

06-12-2007, 18:22

Captain_Howdy666

06-12-2007, 19:00

They'd probably just give him Claire's blood and every will be rosy, then they'll resurrect Linderman, DL and the annoying "haaleehaandro" prat a well and life will be good until they discover they contracted HIV/AIDS from the blood transfusing and turn the show into some crappy broadway show.

Would Peter need Claire's blood? He has the same power. A resurrected Linderman would be quite cool.

If they somehow managed to make it so the transfused blood was permanent they could all end up immortal. Then a Battle Royale/Final Destination type show would happen. The resulting blood and gore might be fun.

stunno

06-12-2007, 19:55

Space Duck

06-12-2007, 20:04

Oh I see what you mean... Claire was kinda dead with that piece of wood in her head (No pun intended) it wasn't until it was removed that she healed... hmmmmmm

platform14

06-12-2007, 20:04

I agree its all gotten a bit silly now.
NOT happy Sylar's 'back' - CAN WE NOT MOVE ON NOW PLEASE instead of just bringing back the villain from 11 episodes ago, there's already been 20-odd episodes last year in trying to beat him!!!!
The fact that any death or situation can be resolved is a failing for the show. It removes any sense of urgency.
I was so excited about this show for season 1, now, very quickly, its spiralled out of control, there's too much going on in too many settings with too many characters with too many powers that they've too quickly lost control of!

Space Duck

06-12-2007, 20:07

What if Claires blood stops regenerating? that could be a saviour, it'd mean she'd have to be a little more careful and they couldn't milk her for her healing juice every five mins :lol:

LeftHandedGuitarist

06-12-2007, 22:56

It seemed odd to me that Mrs P told Matt to put a bullet in Peters head as it was the only way to stop him. But HRG got a bullet to the head and was brought back by Claire's blood. So does that mean that Peter can survive that too? And Syler?

Didn't the bullet pass right through HRG's head? Therefore he could be healed. If it was lodged in there then it would need to be removed first.

Woz

07-12-2007, 11:13

Didn't the bullet pass right through HRG's head? Therefore he could be healed. If it was lodged in there then it would need to be removed first.

Hasn't Adam already said that removing the head was the only way to kill him? Although how the hell he knows this is another question altogether being as he still appears to be alive.
I also though the 'shoot them through the head' option wasn't really valid given HRG and Claire-bear's survival of severe head trauma.

I think the best bet for the series would be for Peter to turn bad - that would give us some REAL peril as they would have to team up to defeat him.
It's already been established that certain powers cause multiple personality disorder, so it wouldn't be hard to arrange.
Also, he looks cooler when he's being bad-ass :D

ed_mcl

07-12-2007, 14:53

ed_mcl

07-12-2007, 14:54

Confused

07-12-2007, 16:07

Did anyone else notice the 'wiggly' dagger in the company's vault looks a lot like the dagger St Joan (sp?) is brandishing on the front of the 9th wonder comic?

Another question - what was Adam reaching for in the vault when Hiro reappears, he already had the vial with the virus in his hand behind his back? It looked like a golden key...

tomos

07-12-2007, 18:44

I was thinking about this, this morning actually it's quite a good question. If Adam's cells regenerate then really there's no need for him to breathe or eat or drink or sleep in fact.

but if the cells divide then without food etc how do they get their energy? they cant create matter out of nothing.

unless his cells dont divide all the time like ours and only divide when growing something back (like an arm?). would imagine you'd need a lot less food etc then (still some though).

statto

07-12-2007, 18:49

but if the cells divide then without food etc how do they get their energy? they cant create matter out of nothing.

unless his cells dont divide all the time like ours and only divide when growing something back (like an arm?). would imagine you'd need a lot less food etc then (still some though).

Or it could be a fantasy series. :thinking:

Lorne.t

07-12-2007, 19:47

Did anyone else notice the 'wiggly' dagger in the company's vault looks a lot like the dagger St Joan (sp?) is brandishing on the front of the 9th wonder comic

Yes a few people on 9thwonders.com ;)

Apep

07-12-2007, 20:02

William Shatners Wig

07-12-2007, 21:46

Why didn't Peter hear Adam's thoughts about the vial misuse?

tpr007

07-12-2007, 22:31

probably because Adam's intention when getting the virus would be "to save the world" in his own twisted way

ed_mcl

07-12-2007, 22:48

But his brain must need oxygen, and that's the key to his type of ability isn't it?

I was just speculating. If he does indeed need oxygen then he's not going to survive very long in that coffin.

ed_mcl

07-12-2007, 23:12

Did anyone else notice the 'wiggly' dagger in the company's vault looks a lot like the dagger St Joan (sp?) is brandishing on the front of the 9th wonder comic?

Could be. I'm presuming that you're talking about what looks like a sai in the top corner.

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/5406/vlcsnap397553bq5.png

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/165/vlcsnap398025zw3.png

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/3852/vlcsnap393894re1.png

Confused

08-12-2007, 09:18

Could be. I'm presuming that you're talking about what looks like a sai in the top corner.

Yep, that's what I'm talking about - thanks for the screen caps.
Of course we may never see that 9th wonder comic cover enacted (as we have with other issues) if the less appealing plot lines have been trimmed by Kring as part of his 'season 2 back on track' epiphany.

Francis

08-12-2007, 09:19

Playing cards as well, is Gambit going to show up in series 3 :D

ed_mcl

08-12-2007, 13:50

Playing cards as well, is Gambit going to show up in series 3 :D

That looked like one of those British Comedy awards.

wonderfibre

09-12-2007, 10:10

Don't forget flying boy :D

thanks :D
i was trying to think of a third person to justify my disagreement with you but flying boy just flew out of my head ;)

Bapapapa

09-12-2007, 10:17

Adam clearly has the World's Best Memory power as well...

Hadn't seen Hiro for 400 years, but remembered his name in a nano-second.. :suspect:

What is that brain doing in the vault..? Do we have a Steve Martin guest appearance to look forward to.. :nuts:

thetope

09-12-2007, 18:26

the items in those safety deposit boxes made me think of "the lost room"

Xenole

09-12-2007, 21:27

I personally think that the problem with Claire's blood being able to sort everybody out has already been brought into play. I'm betting that a mutation of the Chanti virus will start causing some ill effects or at least prevent regeneration in people who aren't the host.

As for Adam knowing about a bullet to the head etc killing people with abilities, he's been around for quite a while and surely the company experimented on more dangerous individuals and figured this out?

Xenole

09-12-2007, 21:35

He didn't, the blood in injected is Claire's blood mixed with Mohinder's and it only has temporary healing powers, he would still injured or die.

What's to say that is correct? Surely the blood cells would constantly regenerate thus making that person pretty much immortal as well?

H Dot

10-12-2007, 10:19

Maybe sylar and Adam team up to create villan tag team so to speak

bazkeane82

10-12-2007, 10:37

Were we suppose to see Hiro fight a dragon this season from Issac's predicted painting or have they scrapped that idea?

Wooglie

10-12-2007, 10:56

I thought it was a dinosaur?

lentini

10-12-2007, 12:00

Were we suppose to see Hiro fight a dragon this season from Issac's predicted painting or have they scrapped that idea?

I thought it was a dinosaur?

the dinosaur in the painting was the full sized 'model' in the museum he stole the sword from in Series 1

Andy

11-12-2007, 09:58

Well, I for one was totally underwhelmed... S2 started badly, then improved then ended with a whimper tbh...

I did like this show once, but it's lost that edge that made it unmissable, at least to me... I'll check out review of S3 before I start watching it, but it's no longer must see TV for me.

Now where's my new 24 and Lost dammit!!

Jimlad

11-12-2007, 11:28

so when will we see volume 3?

TonyG

11-12-2007, 11:41

so when will we see volume 3?
There's been lots of different reports regarding what will happen if/when the Writer Strike is resolved. On average, a show will return within two months of the Writers resuming work.... BUT, if that period falls after May, then they dont like showing new shows over the Summer, so it will be probably September before we see anything new. :|

Coolhand

11-12-2007, 11:41

ignore me, typing too slow these days

Roy

11-12-2007, 18:00

Volume 1 was fairly dull overall, and I was terribly disappointed that it has trailed volume 2 as another Heroes vs Sylar arc, which is totally unnecessary.

Grandmaster

11-12-2007, 18:11

Crikey that was a really unimpressive end to the 'volume' wasn't it. Aside from one or two decent episodes, this season has been pretty mediocre all told.

statto

11-12-2007, 20:50

Volume 1 was fairly dull overall, and I was terribly disappointed that it has trailed volume 2 as another Heroes vs Sylar arc, which is totally unnecessary.

Don't worry, as that's nothing like what volume two is about.

Steve Jackson

11-12-2007, 20:52

No, looks like that's being saved for volume three. *sigh*

Roy

11-12-2007, 20:57

I seem to have confused you :D

I meant Series Two Volume 2, although I guess strictly speaking Series 2 Volume 2 is really Volume 4...

tpr007

11-12-2007, 21:24

I think you confused yourself too ;)
Series 1 was a single volume.

joconnor

12-12-2007, 07:45

Just caught up with the last 2 eps last night.

I know the phrase is thrown around too much but Heroes has well and truly jumped the shark.

The moment Bennett woke up (ep 9?) the show was forever ruined. Once you have people who can travel through time and a magic potion that can bring people back to life all peril is void from the show.

The last time I seen any show jump the shark so blatently was Alias when they introduced the rubber masks :nuts:

smst

12-12-2007, 10:29

I seem to have confused you :D

I meant Series Two Volume 2, although I guess strictly speaking Series 2 Volume 2 is really Volume 4...

The show's story is split into volumes. Shows that are aired are split into seasons. The two groupings are different:

Volume 1, "Genesis", lasted for all of season 1.

Volume 2, "Generations", began (briefly) at the end of season 1 and finished halfway through season 2.

Volume 3, "Villains", began (briefly) at the end of season 2's 11th episode, and will either resume in the second half of season 2 or the beginning of season 3 (and finish we-don't-know-when, depending on how long it is). This depends on the outcome of the strike.

(You can see volume numbers when the volume begins -- the end of this episode stated that "Villains" was volume 3.)

Coolhand

13-12-2007, 12:42

Regardless of how many volumes there are, Season 2 was pretty disappointing overall. I'll be dodging season 3 until I hear positive reports.

Roy

13-12-2007, 15:33

Regardless of how many volumes there are, Season 2 was pretty disappointing overall. I'll be dodging season 3 until I hear positive reports.

Good point : Doesn't matter what number it was, series two was poo, and the Sylar becoming the threat again in the next load whenever they are aired blows chunks.

statto

13-12-2007, 15:52

Well I'll be watching volume/season three from the beginning, and enjoying every minute, I'm sure :D

Season 1: 9.5/10
Season 2: 8/10 (IMHO)

Rizel

14-12-2007, 08:25

First 6 Eps of Season 2 i nearly fell asleep, last 5 i had to watch in one go! Hopefully they will keep the pace going with Vol 3!!!

sleep4ever

26-12-2007, 14:46

http://www.tv.com/story/10629.html?tag=recent;featured;title;2&om_act=convert&om_clk=gumballs

Volume 3 preview? (didnt realise any was filmed...)

Thomasd

31-01-2008, 12:04

Overall enjoyed the season a terrible start to it though. Episode 4 was dreadful but things really picked up after that. Hope this writers strike ends in good time.

woburnx

09-02-2008, 21:50

Just caught up with the whole series. The finale again was a let down ( but better than the season 1 finale which was the pits ). It all felt rushed.

Even it has been poor it still has been addictive viewing. The whole concept still has that magic about it. Eagerly waiting for season 3.

Episode 9 of this series was the best ever.

Spooky_uk

09-02-2008, 23:12

It all felt rushed.

it was, season forced to end early because of something called a writers strike :nuts:

statto

10-02-2008, 00:10

it was, season forced to end early because of something called a writers strike :nuts:

They always planned two volumes for season two. They just dumped volume three, saving that for season three. Nothing was rushed, in fact if you look back at the threads for this you'll see most people complained that it didn't move things on quickly enough.

snowball

10-02-2008, 20:56

wow. that was a short season :thinking:
I waited to see all 11 eps deliberately until earlier in January because I thought there'd be more to get through in Season 2 after that .
Oh well, not a bad season, but not too sure if i like all this virus business. They can kill anyone off, and then bring them back in the next episode. Seems these story arcs are heading to be a mess . I really hope S3 brings some new ideas as I too am getting sick of this Sylar v the rest of the world.

Boink!

10-02-2008, 22:04

Would have been good if Sylar, after injecting / curing himself with Claire's blood, and grabbing the tin can (of spinach, no less) by telekinesis, all the other magnetic objects in the alley would have also been attracted to him as well. So he'd end up buried under a pile of junk and waste bins, showing his powers were back, but he wasn't in control of them... and wouldn't be for several episodes of series 3. The instant cure was rather lame, it would have been better if there were some side effects.

Richie

25-04-2008, 04:11

I think the best bet for the series would be for Peter to turn bad - that would give us some REAL peril as they would have to team up to defeat him.
It's already been established that certain powers cause multiple personality disorder, so it wouldn't be hard to arrange.
Also, he looks cooler when he's being bad-ass :D
Maybe he'll have a stroke!
http://www.hometown.aol.com/goldfishrich/images/ppstrokemouth.jpg
I think it would be cool if Nikki isn't dead but somehow hulks-out properly (including a physical transformation).
Veronica Mars was the best addition to the cast and I hope she sticks around as she's a much better actress than most of the rest (especially Ali Larter who is painful to watch "act"). Anyway so Elle = yay! bump up her role please.
They need to get all the Heroes together as a proper team and no more of this fragmented storytelling that goes nowhere (Aleeehandrooo I'm looking at you).
Also what possible use is teary to anyone? If Isaac had still been alive she might have had a use as inker for his comic books but otherwise... :shrug:

Ma Petrelli, what super power does she actually have or is her power simply looking fierce no matter what the occasion! :D

Professor Abronsius

25-05-2008, 01:03

Absolutely amazing! A joy to watch! Eyes were glued to the tv!

But enough about Kristen Bell. :p

Just watched complete Season 2 over last night and tonight. Like many have said, had a very slow start but certainly picked up after episode 7 or 8. Good ending, i also thought it was HRG doing the shooting, but like has also been said, if someone dies now in the show all they need is some of Claire's blood and they're up again in no time! Not to mention the fact that 2 of them can Time Travel.

Good set up for Season 3.

Oh and liked the Electric Elle/Ronnie Mars surveillance/apple mac scene... :thumbs:

Am off now to slot this in somewhere on my top us tv show list.

Cheers. :)

Flip Martian

27-05-2008, 21:47

Enjoyed most of season 2, contrary to many apparently. Didn't like the South American characters and am totally fed up of Sylar - even without his superpowers he can apparently kill people by whacking them over the head with a mug...who needs to gain superpowers...:suspect:

Like the end of season 1, the end of season 2 was pretty bad and Sylar sitting there in the alley saying "I'm back" was insulting to the intelligence, despite the fact its really just a comic book on tv.

Still looking forward to season 3 though - still enough in it to like. :)

snowball

27-05-2008, 21:59

Flip you just nailed it. Like you I'm also sick to the back teeth of Sylar. I just wish they'd go somewhere with him , like kill him off, as I see no future in his character apart from an easy way out.

Really hate the time travelling englishman/japanese too. Total cop out IMHO. I hope it gets better in S3.

new

04-07-2008, 05:48

Well & I thought last volume/seasons climax was a let down:lol:

There have been some good episodes, & this was an OK one but on the whole this volume has been very average.

On the notion of people becoming to powerful, I think as long as the show makes some rules & keeps to them (like Hiro knowing he has to be careful going back in time as it was his breaking history that set Adam on his way to being the person he become).

Anyway at the end of the day most of this volume was watchable & looking forward to see if they turn it back to the show it was.

cedge

04-07-2008, 06:53

I'm with the enjoyed every minute of it camp, yes you could nit pick it to death if you wanted to but personally I loved it an glad it's not too long to wait for Vol 3.

James45

04-07-2008, 08:02

Ma Petrelli, what super power does she actually have or is her power simply looking fierce no matter what the occasion! :D

Not giving a crap if her son's live or die?!:shrug::lol: Seriously, her character is so ridiculous. First season she's prepared to kill millions to have her son become a world leader and second series... well you know the rest!

As for the start of Vol. 3 I was kind of hoping Hiro would just jump in and stab Sylar through the head and end his ass. And before the reveal I was guessing Hiro had jumped Adam back to prehistoric times.

So, was HRG the assassin?

Alan b

04-07-2008, 09:28

So, was HRG the assassin?

Probably some new character that we have yet to see. I thought the episode wasn't one of the better ones we have seen and was slightly disappointing. I hope the Niki character doesn't return as she was massively under used in this series and Kristen Bell's one turned out to be a bit of a wimp and the original set up.

Still by the sounds of it series 3 will be into the action from the off which is what this show needs.

bosque

04-07-2008, 09:39

So, was HRG the assassin?

Looked like it was Peter Petrelli - from another time zone ?

degeneration

04-07-2008, 19:58

Just watched this tonight. The season was OK, but probably seemed better due to the complete lack of shows this year. Thought the shooter was HRG but on a rewind he was way too skinny, only one other character is that skinny and that is Peter.

Would like to see Sylars abilities capped because of the injections so that he can't absorb any more and just has he abilities from the end of season 1, hence a reason to team up with Adam because he can't absorb his ability. Hopefully Niki is killed off as I always thought she was a bit bland, see Ma Petrelli's powers, a flash back to 40 years ago to see what the oldies got up to.

snowball

04-07-2008, 22:32

Would like to see Sylars abilities capped because of the injections so that he can't absorb any more and just has he abilities from the end of season 1, hence a reason to team up with Adam because he can't absorb his ability. Hopefully Niki is killed off as I always thought she was a bit bland, see Ma Petrelli's powers, a flash back to 40 years ago to see what the oldies got up to.

i think S3 should provide some answers as to who the 'Company' is, and get rid of Sylar once and for all, preferably mid-season and not the Finale.

statto

04-07-2008, 22:38

Looked like it was Peter Petrelli - from another time zone ?

I think they made the guy look generic enough so they can make it whoever they want. For the record though, I think you're right. :D

ohood

05-07-2008, 08:02

Disappointing to say the least.

They finally give Sylar his teeth back only to end it there and then. What a messy season this was, I hope they sort it out next series.

Flap

05-07-2008, 10:01

I still feel it's got that excitement.

I agree with the comments about Sylar / Peter being too powerful.

But I disagree in that I think Sylar's an incredible 'baddie' - so tense whenever he's around.

They do need to find some way of reigning it back in and curbing his powers, and moreso, Peter's powers IMO

Hex

05-07-2008, 19:35

On the notion of people becoming to powerful, I think as long as the show makes some rules & keeps to them (like Hiro knowing he has to be careful going back in time as it was his breaking history that set Adam on his way to being the person he become).

Thought that it was only because of Hiro going back that the whole Kenzi myth started anyway - as Adam said he would most likely only have kept going and being a drunk.

Although i didn't want them to kill off HRG, bringing people back with the blood was a mistake. Not just because it doesn't make sense in my mind that it should be working without them having a pulse.
In theory i guess Peters blood should be able to bring back Nathan and it's all over the news so Claire definitely could bring him back.
Don't think Nikki will be dead but not because of any power - reckon she got out the building another way. Anyway i think everyone will be back.

degeneration

05-07-2008, 19:46

[b]
In theory i guess Peters blood should be able to bring back Nathan and it's all over the news so Claire definitely could bring him back.

Er nope, only Nathan's death is on the news, they killed him so that it didn't become public.

Hex

05-07-2008, 20:32

Er nope, only Nathan's death is on the news, they killed him so that it didn't become public.

I wasn't clear, what i mean is that if Peters blood can't bring him back Nathan's death will be all over the news, Clare will see it and realise that her blood will be able to bring him back.