View Full Version : Heroes 2X09 Cautionary Tales *SPOILERS*
Whatever people may think about a supposed slow start to this volume, it's really cranking along nicely now. No surprise really to see Adam killing Nakamura, but important for Hiro to see it. The Bennet story was great though, and I really thought they'd killed him off (and such fabulous shots of him being, well, shot!).
So I guess Matt really did force that name out of Angela Petrelli. It's a dark road he's walking down.
Only two more left of this story! :eek:
It's almost as though Matt and Suresh are going down the dark road almost being consumed by their jobs...
Couldn't kill Bennet, he's on the road to redemption...Wonder if they're using him as a test subject or they need access to his knowledge.
I got an ace trailer for next week, which looks like it's really gonna crank everything up.
And we didn't have the crappy brother and sister too. Thing is no one really has any emotional interest in them, so it won't hurt if they get killed off...
Only two more left of this story! :eek:
:cry:
Great episode again. I think the Sylar/Mexican story was just going to be set up in this volume, with the pay off in volume three, but now things have panned out the way they have with the writers strike Kring has just jettisoned it until next year.
I don't think I've ever seen such a good episode that had no Peter in it.
Excellent episode, the last few weeks have been really great tv.
With this writers strike have the next 2 (last 2) already been filmed? What happens if they do reslove the strike will they just take the xmas break like normal and start up in Jan/Feb?
But what happens if they don't reslove the stike, when will we see it back?
One of those episodes that started to feel like a great movie half way through. Brilliant stuff.
I thought it was a brilliant episode.
It even had a couple of laugh out loud lines in amongst the action and suspense.
Best episode of either series!
It looks like Mrs Petrelli's power isn't persuasion, or Parkman wouldn't have got the name out of her.
And they still haven't shown the two old blokes at the bottom of that picture!
Grandmaster
20-11-2007, 18:47
I think Mrs Petrelli needs to touch the person to make them see her point of view.
A great episode with yet more clownshoes activities from Suresh!
LeftHandedGuitarist
20-11-2007, 19:38
Just when I think the last episode was the best so far, they produce something even better! Awesome stuff. I too thought that Bennet had died and was even pretty morose for a while there.
I loved the dramatic, "DID YOU PACK MR MUGGLES DOGGY BATH?!?!" :)
Also, I didn't even notice that lack of the Peter story which has been my favourite so far this season. Even FlyBoy wasn't too annoying. No big surpise that Adam was the killer, of course.
Plus, we were finally presented an answer to whether or not Claire will age.
Hitman2411
20-11-2007, 19:52
WOW :eek: Some super bits in this episode, wonder what hiro is going to do about Adam
robzinski
20-11-2007, 20:19
Wow. Just, Wow.
One question though, does Claire/Adam's blood reproduce in the new body and eventually make the new persons blood the same, or will it just be a temporary fix?
Kristen Bell is :luv:. Nice to see they've got Claire back in her Cheerleader outfit too.
It was pretty clear in this episode that Hiro has pin point control on where and when he goes in space and time.
Therefore when he was in ancient Japan did he need to bother writing scrolls to hide in his sword for Ando to find in the future? He could have just popped back and forth to tell him!
Seriously though - great episode :clap: Glad HRG is not dead, but will he now be invincible like Claire?
No - they've shown us Adam using his blood to save someone already haven't they? I don't think that person got super powers....although I don't remember who it was.
I wonder whether the company know that HRG's not dead. It could all be a stunning ruse by Mohinder - he knew he could bring him back to life and the company would then stop persuing him...dunno, but I don't think Mo's as dumb as he's looked for the last few eps.
Nice to see that the seeds of doubt have been sown in Leccy Girl's mind too.
dannywonderful
20-11-2007, 21:45
No - they've shown us Adam using his blood to save someone already haven't they? I don't think that person got super powers....although I don't remember who it was.
I wonder whether the company know that HRG's not dead. It could all be a stunning ruse by Mohinder - he knew he could bring him back to life and the company would then stop persuing him...dunno, but I don't think Mo's as dumb as he's looked for the last few eps.
Nice to see that the seeds of doubt have been sown in Leccy Girl's mind too.
It was Nathan Petrelli who was saved with Adam's blood. Obviously he can still fly, but I don't think there's any indication he can also heal. Adam knew his blood would heal Nathan too which suggests he's done it before.
It's now set up so that Claire would become immortal and stop aging at some point in her thirties which neatly sidesteps the problem of Hayden visibly aging if the series goes on for a few years.;)
Elle is a fantastic addition to this season. :luv:
Thankfully this continues to improve & this was as good as the best episodes we got in S1. It's amazing how much better it gets when they remove scenes involving the South American Chuckle Twins.
My only gripe is now that we have this wonder-blood, it will dampen any excitement/shock from future character deaths as we'll all expect them to be resurrected at some point. It's actually getting too much like comicbooks in that respect.
Steve Jackson
20-11-2007, 21:47
It was pretty clear in this episode that Hiro has pin point control on where and when he goes in space and time.
Therefore when he was in ancient Japan did he need to bother writing scrolls to hide in his sword for Ando to find in the future? He could have just popped back and forth to tell him!It could be, like with Parkman, that he has only just gained further, more refined use of his powers.
WOW, as others have said.
A fantastic episode, I was soooooooo gutted when Mr Bennett was shot - it was such excellent cinematography though :D
I was thinking wow at this episode, and then Bennett gets brought back, and it just confirmed it as the best episode by far.
I didn't even notice the lack of Peter in this ep.
top episode!
Not sure why Adam is killing the elders though, i thought his beef was just with Hiro, how would he know Sulu was his dad? Nice little mention of how the powers all began with Elle being experiemented on when she was normal, so its man made rather than genetic. So is Bennet now immortal since his blood/dna is a mix?
really wouldnt care one jot if they did a Coronation Street and never mentioned the 2 mexicans again, or next time we see Sylar hes washing blood of his hands.
Steve Jackson
20-11-2007, 22:05
top episode!
Not sure why Adam is killing the elders though, i thought his beef was just with Hiro, how would he know Sulu was his dad?Mrs Petrelli explained to Parkman that Adam went out of control and so they locked him away thirty years ago, and this is what he wants revenge for.
Nice little mention of how the powers all began with Elle being experiemented on when she was normal, so its man made rather than genetic.
I don't think that's the case, or Adam wouldn't have been immortal 400 years ago - maybe they just experimented on Elle and found they could make her powers stronger (whilst turning her into a sociopath!)
Steve Jackson
20-11-2007, 22:09
Nice little mention of how the powers all began with Elle being experiemented on when she was normal, so its man made rather than genetic. I don't think her powers were man made myself, but I may have misheard what was said. I took it that she was a normal, pleasant little girl but with powers, and that is why they experimented on her, seeing what she could do etc, and turned her into an abnormal person character wise in the process.
That's the impression I got too - while testing her powers they sent her sociopathic.
Makes sense - abuse can make the abused into an abuser themselves.
And they still haven't shown the two old blokes at the bottom of that picture!
I don't think they will be. Partman said everyone in the picture apart from Angela, Adam, Bob, his dad, and mystery woman (Victoria Pratt?) was dead. Looks like Adam's been busy, as when Angela and Hiro's dad spoke they were both still alive.
Great episode again, although I think ep 7 has been the best one so far. As mentioned the lack of the twins and the pointless memory girl were very welcome. Doubt we'll see them again if we're lucky.
Shame there are only 2 eps left now - gutted :(
Was it always the plan to end the Generations chapter on ep 11 though? so season 2 would be 2 chapters?
Spooky_uk
21-11-2007, 00:18
Was it always the plan to end the Generations chapter on ep 11 though? so season 2 would be 2 chapters?
yes. yes.
anephric
21-11-2007, 00:29
She didn't make much of an effort to kick over the doggy bath, did she? True, she was drenched as well, but the effort would've been nice.
Shingster
21-11-2007, 01:24
I don't think her powers were man made myself, but I may have misheard what was said. I took it that she was a normal, pleasant little girl but with powers, and that is why they experimented on her, seeing what she could do etc, and turned her into an abnormal person character wise in the process.
Yup, it's pretty obvious that this is what Bennett meant, the superpowers are most definitely genetic.
About the healing blood thing, it seems that those who recieve the blood are not given permanent healing ability, because earlier in the season we saw Nathan smash a mirror and cut his hand, and this hand remained bandaged for a good episode or two after that. It could be possible that he dressed the wound up before it had time to heal and he forgot to check it later, but it seems unlikely given how fast we've seen Claire regenerate from a cut.
Great episode again, although I think ep 7 has been the best one so far. As mentioned the lack of the twins and the pointless memory girl were very welcome. Doubt we'll see them again if we're lucky.
They're all back next week!
Brozyniak
21-11-2007, 07:44
Interesting article on BBC on how Kring is sorry that Season 2 got off to a slow start...picking up though eh?
here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7101992.stm)
Jungle Ted
21-11-2007, 08:00
Superb episode. One thing though. Does anyone else think it's strange that Mr Pettrelli senior has his face turned from the camera? is he someone we have already seen or have I missed something?
Superb episode. One thing though. Does anyone else think it's strange that Mr Pettrelli senior has his face turned from the camera? is he someone we have already seen or have I missed something?
That's Adam Monroe/Takezo Kensei unless I am very much mistaken.
topscouse
21-11-2007, 08:09
I think the mystery women in the photograph was ted spriggs (sp?) aka nuclear man's mother.
I think she holds a lot of power and may have a key role to play.
That's Adam Monroe/Takezo Kensei unless I am very much mistaken.
So why doesn't Peter recognise him? He seems to have his memory back.
Captain_Howdy666
21-11-2007, 09:46
Angela Petrelli & Bob say that Adam Monroe became dangerous thirty years ago or whatever, would he have done what he's done had Hiro not messed with time? Also, did Hiro's dad know who Adam really was what he said "Of all of them, I never thought it would be you."?
Adam has been locked up for thirty years, Peter wouldnt be much older than that - why would he have ever met him/know who he was? Sorry if I have missed something obvious.......:shrug:
Peter and him met, remember the last episode when they were both locked up in the complex?
The reason I asked why Peter doesn't recognise Adam is that somebody else suggested in this thread that Adam was Peter's dad. Mr Petrelli, in the photo of the previous generation, has his face turned from the camera; one suggested explanation was that he is really Adam Monroe. But if that's true, then Peter (having regained his memories) would stop calling him "Adam" and start calling him "Dad" -- he ought to recognise him from being his son!
Hence, I can't see that Adam is Mr Petrelli unless Peter has more suppressed memories (which may be the case).
Also if you read the comics you'd be pretty certain that Adam != Mr Petrelli
dannywonderful
21-11-2007, 11:31
Also if you read the comics you'd be pretty certain that Adam != Mr Petrelli
Actually, the comics suggest just the opposite.
One thing nobody seems to have mentioned is that Adam Monroe has been locked away for 30 years. The photo of the company founders is clearly not 30 years old as Bob and co are clearly not 30 years older than they were in that photo.
The reason I asked why Peter doesn't recognise Adam is that somebody else suggested in this thread that Adam was Peter's dad. Mr Petrelli, in the photo of the previous generation, has his face turned from the camera; one suggested explanation was that he is really Adam Monroe. But if that's true, then Peter (having regained his memories) would stop calling him "Adam" and start calling him "Dad" -- he ought to recognise him from being his son!
No, I get that - but surely Peter is no older than 30? If Adam is his dad (which he may well be) then the chances are he may never have met him as he was incarcerated for the best part (or all) of his life - Peter may have grown up believing that someone else was his father and would have no knowledge of his dads "real" identity.
No, I get that - but surely Peter is no older than 30? If Adam is his dad (which he may well be) then the chances are he may never have met him as he was incarcerated for the best part (or all) of his life - Peter may have grown up believing that someone else was his father and would have no knowledge of his dads "real" identity.
Fair enough, I see what you mean.
Actually, the comics suggest just the opposite.
The comics in question showed that Mr Petrelli had never seen anything like the special powers shown by the young Linderman. I'd say that suggests he's not Adam.
One thing nobody seems to have mentioned is that Adam Monroe has been locked away for 30 years. The photo of the company founders is clearly not 30 years old as Bob and co are clearly not 30 years older than they were in that photo.
That clinches it for me -- it wouldn't make sense for Adam to be in that photo at all. But the question remains: who is Mr Petrelli? Has he simply not been cast yet?
wong fei hong
21-11-2007, 12:13
Angela Petrelli's power might be to delay gestation after intercourse! :eek:
Is Suresh doing a double bluff, knowing he will be able to regenerate Bennet?
There's a lot to wrap up in two episodes.
Didn't that already happen at the end of the episode ?
Jungle Ted
21-11-2007, 19:47
Can't see how Pa Patrelli in the pic is Adam, as on closer inspection, the guy is late middle aged with Grey hair at the temples, so unless Adam ages then reaches a certain point and rejuvenates, it can't be him. Any other opinions?
fivebyfive
21-11-2007, 20:48
apart from some dodgy effects of flying at the end, it was another great episode
Shingster
21-11-2007, 22:07
I thought Kenzo would turn out to be Papa Petrelli when the photo was first introduced and he was blurred, but as people have already pointed out, this would clash with the revelations about Petrelli in the comic spin off - and of course Peter simply has to recognise Adam if he was his father.
I'm beginning to wonder if they blurred out Papa's face because they're gonna get Adrian Pasdar to play him in some sort of flashback?
Is Suresh doing a double bluff, knowing he will be able to regenerate Bennet?
There's a lot to wrap up in two episodes.
Flying boys I can accept. Suresh being smart enough to come up with that plan is pushing the credibility envelope a little too far.
Another great episode, this and BSG are slowly becoming the shows that can do no wrong IMHO.
Nice to see that they've studied their comics (for all I know the people writing this are comic manics) well enough to pull off a switch. Take the bad guy at the start (HRG) and make him the good guy, take the good guy (Suresh) and make him seeminly the bad guy.
HRG's ressurection is worthy of Jean Grey.
wonderfibre
22-11-2007, 12:15
one thing which i need clarifying:
when Hiro went back to his mother's funeral and bumped into himself - was that something he did because he remembered as a child that some bloke in glasses spoke to him at the funeral and he only just realised now that it was himself?
Or was it all just an accident that he bumped into himself? :?:
Not sure why Adam is killing the elders though, i thought his beef was just with Hiro, how would he know Sulu was his dad?
I can't remember if Hiro introduced himself when he met Takezo? If so then Adam would have had some seriously raised eyebrows when Sulu had a son!
I think that Adam killed Sulu because of the company rather than because of Hiro though
The comics in question showed that Mr Petrelli had never seen anything like the special powers shown by the young Linderman. I'd say that suggests he's not Adam.
agreed
NicolaUK
22-11-2007, 13:44
Nice to see that they've studied their comics (for all I know the people writing this are comic manics) well enough to pull off a switch. Take the bad guy at the start (HRG) and make him the good guy, take the good guy (Suresh) and make him seeminly the bad guy.
I thought of that too except I had Parkman as the good guy who goes bad.
Why's Noah Bennett called HRG? I'm sure i knew this before but i'm having a blonde day
crunchman
22-11-2007, 14:41
Why's Noah Bennett called HRG? I'm sure i knew this before but i'm having a blonde day
Horn Rimmed Glasses :thumbs:
I liked his last line when he was ressurected, then the screen went blank before he said the last word! :lol:
wonderfibre
22-11-2007, 15:44
was that the same as Claire's line when she woke up in the morgue? if so; nice touch :)
Horn Rimmed Glasses :thumbs:
Before I heard what this stood for (about half way through season one) I assumed it stood for Human Resources Guy :D
Can't believe i forgot that :doh:
robzinski
22-11-2007, 16:56
Flying boy even called him that an ep or two back!
What a fabulous episode. Particularly liked the silhouetted scenes in Japan and the scene where HRG gets shot - beautifully filmed.
Captain_Howdy666
22-11-2007, 18:39
I liked his last line when he was ressurected, then the screen went blank before he said the last word! :lol:
What was this? I forget.
DrVenkman
22-11-2007, 19:09
Best episode in the shows history, but it doesn't make up for the crap thats come before it. I do agree that this episode was wonderfully shot though.
Is Suresh doing a double bluff, knowing he will be able to regenerate Bennet?
There's a lot to wrap up in two episodes.
wasn't bob the one who took claire's blood? as far as i can remember suresh doesn't have any so how can he save bennett?
Best episode in the shows history, but it doesn't make up for the crap thats come before it. I do agree that this episode was wonderfully shot though.
Surely not better than 'Five Years Gone', ep 20 in season 1? Best 40 minutes of TV i've ever seen!
wonderfibre
23-11-2007, 07:10
wasn't bob the one who took claire's blood? as far as i can remember suresh doesn't have any so how can he save bennett?
because he works with Bob?
Surely not better than 'Five Years Gone', ep 20 in season 1? Best 40 minutes of TV i've ever seen!
Though it's not the best episode of TV I've ever seen, I agree that this is the best ever episode of Heroes.
because he works with Bob?
lol. was assuming bob would be a bit careful with the sample and it'd be tough for suresh to swipe and then revive bennett behind his back. but who knows.
DrVenkman
23-11-2007, 17:14
I was never on the Dr Suresh hate train but I am now. He's quite possibly the dumbest character on TV. For someone who's said he's "slowly turning into a Bad guy" I just can't buy it at all. He's too stupid to think things through and so just stumbles throughout the Heroes universe like an idiot savant.
wonderfibre
23-11-2007, 17:52
lol. was assuming bob would be a bit careful with the sample and it'd be tough for suresh to swipe and then revive bennett behind his back. but who knows.
but we don't know yet that it's Suresh who bought him back......
sparkyrob
23-11-2007, 20:11
What was this? I forget.
It was "Holy..."
Best episode of the series. Utterly gutted that they killed off the most well-rounded character, but then had a big grin when they brought him back to life at the end. Thought it was strange if they would do that - Noah has such a great screen presence, reminds me a lot of Jack Bristow in Alias. Looking forward to the next few episodes now!
but we don't know yet that it's Suresh who bought him back......
thats what i've been saying!!! seems unlikely to me that it could be him.
fivebyfive
23-11-2007, 21:43
bob did seem upset at the end, I bet it was him to bring him back to the company
WeaselFierce
24-11-2007, 17:24
Is Suresh doing a double bluff, knowing he will be able to regenerate Bennet?
There's a lot to wrap up in two episodes.
Also, who's to say Adam didn't resurrect HRG with his own blood? After all, the enemy of my enemy and all that... :thinking:
Best episode of season 2 so far, I think its bob who gave bennet the blood so that he would work for the company again. I dont believe the company is evil I think that may be revealed as the cliffhanger episode 12
this episode totally blew me away, definitely best ever ep of heroes! i've only just had the time to watch it (prolly shouldn't have watched during my lunch break in work, i was fighting back the tears!) cinematography at the daughter exchange scene was just beautiful and i liked the way we were teased with Mohinder pointing the gun as in the pictures, then it not happening. [then it did happen after all] LOVE IT!
wonderfibre
26-11-2007, 15:41
this episode totally blew me away, definitely best ever ep of heroes! i've only just had the time to watch it (prolly shouldn't have watched during my lunch break in work, i was fighting back the tears!) cinematography at the daughter exchange scene was just beautiful and i liked the way we were teased with Mohinder pointing the gun as in the pictures, then it not happening. [then it did happen after all] LOVE IT!
the shot showing the comic of Mohinder with the gun overlapped over real Mohinder confused me. I thought it was to show that the painting wasn't talking about that moment in time as the bandage over his nose was different. Therefore, when Mohinder got smacked in the nose again i thgouht "a ha! he'll need a bigger bandage now..."
we haven't seen the last of Mohinder and his gun....
deffo agree that this was an absolutely corking episode!!!
can wait to see next weeks!
the lines between the establised good and bad are really blurred now - and a new bad is appearing (as in adam).
As others have said this was great TV.
Was gutted when HRG was 'killed', but did sort of work out that Clairs (or maybe it was Adams?) blood would come into play to bring him back.
So just two more episodes to go for us watching at BBC HD pace (will be the same pace as most of you from Season 3:p ).
I was always a bit worried about this Season. I avoided all spoilers but still got wind that this Season was a bit of a dud.
Ok I still wish superboy had never flow into the show (although he did play a relevant part in this episode), & do not get me started on the brother & sister (there real 'Heroes power' is the ability to bore & put you in agony while watching what could be a great Season), but other than that its still kept me wondering & coming back for more.
Excellent Episode, I have liked all of this series so far well in my eyes at the moment in can do no wrong but as others have said there is a lot to tie up in the remaining two episodes.
I did look to tape both ep10 and 11 next week but it only looks like ep10 is on?
but as others have said there is a lot to tie up in the remaining two episodes.
Does this series actually get tied up or does it just finish, hopefully not the latter.
I did look to tape both ep10 and 11 next week but it only looks like ep10 is on?
I guess that is because the Beeb want to air the final episode only on BBC 1, they usually do this with other shows that are spread across both channels.
Superb episode though, I did really think they had killed HRG off and even at the end you can't be sure whose blood that was.
nwgarratt
21-06-2008, 01:35
Does this series actually get tied up or does it just finish, hopefully not the latter.
Yes, it ends with Volume 2 ending and Volume 3 starting.
Having just watched Heroes2x10 (the episode after this one), I've come here to post my views & see what other people think of it but cant seam to find a thread for it:shrug:
Tried to use the excellent Links to episodes for current series of Lost/Heroes/24/battlestar/Prison Break/Shield (http://www.thedvdforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=468040) thread but I just get "No Thread specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the administrator" & done a search but no joy, was there one or was that episode shown as a double episode in the states so everything is in the Heroes2x11 thread:thinking:
Mods, If this is the case then it is OK to start one just for Heroes2x10 for us watching at BBC HD/BBC3, & BBC 2 pace?
What a good episode. Much better than all the others in this series put together. From the story to the way it was shot.
When Bennet was pointing his gun at Suresh I was screaming 'shoot him, PLEASE'. Then we'd never have to put up with another of his voice overs.
Having just watched Heroes2x10 (the episode after this one), I've come here to post my views & see what other people think of it but cant seam to find a thread for it:shrug:
There used to be one but it seems to have disappeared!
IIRC there was one thread for the US pace spoilers, but after searching, I can't find it.
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