View Full Version : Heroes 2x04 - The Kindness of Strangers ***SPOILERS***
Xenomorph
16-10-2007, 05:10
Good episode.
Finally the Mexico stuff is going somewhere... hurrah.
The main story moving along nicely... now we know just who made up the group... question I have now: is the same person who is killing them the same person haunting Molly?
They have got to stop doing the flying shots... they don't look good... with a bit of luck Sylar will deal with flying boy and we can be done with him and we'll have a flying Sylar into the bargain. On the subject of Sylar it's interesting he's gone back to using his original name, I guess he only considers himself Sylar when he has powers. The girls power would actually be pretty useful if she could control it, it's actually one of the few powers we've seen that can instantly incapacitate a large group of people... still have no idea about the nature of it.
Not sure I like the New Orleans bits though.
*doesn't switch off in time to skip trailer for next week*
I think next week's going to be *very* interesting...
Xenomorph
16-10-2007, 05:23
One point of discussion actually... do people think we should have episode titles in the thread titles? I originally didn't but figured I would put it in for consistency with Kryten's post like week. Seems like a spurious point at first but if you look at some of the episode names in season one there are definite pointers to what's going on and could well ruin things a little for people waiting for the UK broadcasts. Or am I being paranoid?
Edit: sorry mods probably should have edited the above post rather then make a new one.
Drysolder
16-10-2007, 06:04
Episode names appear on other spoiler sites, and are in the official press releases sent out, it's kinda hard to avoid them unless you're actively not looking to get spoiled completely.
Grandmaster
16-10-2007, 09:41
No Hiro or Peter this week :(
complete meh I'm afraid from me.
I'm pleased Sylar's joined up with the Mexicans, as it's added an interesting element to their plotline.
Interesting that the man who haunts Molly is Partman's dad, and one of the 12 to boot. Was the woman standing next to him in the picture Joanne Cassidy?
I think it's becoming clear why this series is called Generations, as it appears that most, if not all of the main characters have birth links to the 12.
Nathan, Peter, Partman, Hiro and Claire all have definite links. I wonder if DL and his sprog will be related to Deveaux in some way?
My guess is that whoever is bumping off the 12 will turn out to be Sylar's dad, possibly one of them
unrealnils
16-10-2007, 15:03
that was boring mainly because No Hiro or Peter this week :(
I assume father Petrelli is deliberately blurred as he hasn't been cast. You'd think they'd have a better picture if they've gone to the trouble of posing as a group.
I wonder who the guy in the white hair is below Parkman's dad?
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I'm curious what's going to happen with the young girl from "The Nine"'s powers.
Hopefully Sylar will kill the annoying crying couple anyway as they still suck!
Hopefully he'll also kill the amazing flying douchebag... and then himself as his Wile E. Coyote act was getting tedious enough in the first series.
As for burger girls power, Marvel's Taskmaster anyone? :dork:
Also how crass was using that real Katrina footage. :razz:
Decent episode, quite enjoyed it, but no Peter? Tut tut. The sooner he gets the hell out of Ireland and back to the states the better IMO.
petrilli's dad looks like kensei.
LeftHandedGuitarist
16-10-2007, 19:48
Woah, slooooooow episode. It wasn't particularly bad, but felt nothing like what Heroes is usually. Did a different writing team work on this? The scenes between Claire and FlyBoy were extremely poor.
The Mexican story finally became interesting now that Sylar is with them. Not sure what to make of the new power we saw displayed in this episode... quite fun.
petrilli's dad looks like kensei.
I thought that, looked like they deliberately blurred him out
gazdude23
16-10-2007, 20:09
Woah, slooooooow episode. It wasn't particularly bad, but felt nothing like what Heroes is usually. Did a different writing team work on this? The scenes between Claire and FlyBoy were extremely poor.
Some more of Tim Krings handywork this episode methinks. The lines he comes up with for them two are terrible.
Shingster
16-10-2007, 20:10
Was the woman standing next to him in the picture Joanne Cassidy?
Looks like it to me, interesting that she's really the only noticeably famous face in that photo among the people we don't already know about (except for Papa Petrelli of course)
36Degrees
16-10-2007, 21:39
Why did Nathan shave off his Saddam beard? Booo, everyone knows Saddam beards rock!
I hate the whole Cheerleader/flying boy/my father doesn't allow dating storyline too, what is this some corny teenage drama from the 70s? Episode 4 and that hasn't moved along at all, he must be evil, please just turn him evil and make daddy kill him in the most painful way possible which turns Claire to lesbianism..... maybe with the other cheerleaders.
As for the ghetto/Katrina/Micah (Daniel + Niki names a kid Micah, someone tell me why).. hmm well it was a great wrestling move but stealing TV is wrong, surely Micah has learnt that by now.
But Mexican storyline rocks, am enjoying that ... The Doctor, Detective and the Girl quite interesting that it's moving along too...
cockbongo
16-10-2007, 21:52
I didn't need to re-look at the credits to know that this was a Tim Kring episode. Dialogue a child could have written, and oh so predictable plot lines...
Still, looks like it's going somewhere slowly but surely. I liked the fact that Sylar couldn't see his adopted bad-guy name on his watch so he clearly doesn't remember it yet, and while "My Two Dads" is getting tiresome i'm looking forward to finding out how much of ********** Mr Parkman really is.
Also, while he wasn't in it this week, i'm convinced that Takezo Kensei is Mr Lindeman. David Anders is the spit of a young Malcolm McDowell.
That is all.
Another so-so episode with cringeworthy dialogue (no surprise to see Kring wrote this week's) & a zillion plotlines plodding along at a very slow pace. At least the flying FX were a little better (set at night hides the cheapness) & the scene on the Hollywood scene looked authentic.
wong fei hong
16-10-2007, 22:27
I'm pretty sure Sylar does remember his name, but considers himself 'broken' like his watch... Seemed like his abilities might slowly be returning if the ticking sound we heard is anything to go by.
I'm also convinced that Kensei is Mr Petrelli, and that the Nathan beard thing was a hilarious joke at our expense. Ron Burgundy lives! "It's so damned hot! Arrgh! Milk was a bad choice..."
Will someone kill flyboy in the most inhumane way possible? Irritating ******
I think flying boy could be clairs half brother!
I couldn't wait for that episode to end. The whole My Two Dad's thing is woefully acted and incredibly boring. No Hiro, Ando or Peter? For Shame :nono:
I want this to get good again. :(
AndyWilson
17-10-2007, 08:36
As for the ghetto/Katrina/Micah (Daniel + Niki names a kid Micah, someone tell me why).. hmm well it was a great wrestling move but stealing TV is wrong, surely Micah has learnt that by now.
Slightly ironic on this thread :D
Shingster
17-10-2007, 11:52
Anyone else find it odd the way they shot Micah hugging that new girl? It was almost like he was doing something to her, or maybe there's more to her than just the sharingan eye style power and she can actually absorb powers like Peter?
AndyWilson
17-10-2007, 12:16
Anyone else find it odd the way they shot Micah hugging that new girl? It was almost like he was doing something to her, or maybe there's more to her than just the sharingan eye style power and she can actually absorb powers like Peter?
I thought he was trying to fix her dreams...
unrealnils
17-10-2007, 12:36
shes a machine , or he fancies his cousin sister :shrug:
Captain_Howdy666
17-10-2007, 12:53
shes a machine , or he fancies his cousin sister :shrug:
His cousin's sister? Surely that makes her his cousin too?
callmecheez
17-10-2007, 12:56
This was slow. . and pretty dull. It dragged. The cheerleader love story is lame. .
In fact, everything I liked about the first series (subtle use of powers, faster paced story line etc) isn't present here in the first 4 episodes. I hope it gets better... :(
Also I hope minature Mr. T dies in a horrible accident soon.
"WAKE UP FOO!"
fivebyfive
17-10-2007, 16:20
Will someone kill flyboy in the most inhumane way possible? Irritating ******
hopefully sylar is on the case,
very dull episode, so far season 2 has been a let down :(
I think s2 is very good, except for some dodgy dialogue.
I want flyboy to get Sylar'd ASAP though, as he is annoying.
I think the season is starting to get very interesting, and s1 really got going after about 6/7 eps IMO.
pretty slow ep really. It comes to something when you miss those awful oirish accents.
Sylar needs to get his appetite up fast and take out Fly Boy, the annoying mexicans, Mini T and the little girl. Hell, as soon as he can fly and nuke people in a wide area cant come soon enough really :D
No mention of Invisible Man this season so far, im hoping they bring him back at some point. And what is it that Nichelle Nichols character does? I assumed the girl was the bread winner of the family but gran had better things to do than hang round looking after the kids. Did she mention what she does?
Anyway, im sure once they thin the characters out a little the series will pick up speed.
As everyone else has mentioned I thought it was a pretty slow but the storylines are bubbling along nicely. I think the pacing is about the same as for season 1 so hopefully it will kick off in the next 2 episodes as it did last year; although there are more interesting threads in these first 4 episodes.
@36Degrees: There was a scene in the episode where Nathan talks to his sons and they wanted him to cut the beard.
@atmn78: Yep, I'm pretty sure West is linked to the Petrellis.
@AndyWilson: This is what I thought too; I like Micah, he's a good kid.
@Wilson: What's wrong with Molly? I quote like her character.
RE: Kensei=Mr.Petrelli - This is a pretty good theory imho.
Re the flying: is that the first example of two people having identical powers (Nathan and . . . er . . . the uninteresting kid who can fly). At some point they're going to have to explain how the powers are inherited I think. I hope. Unless they're making it up as they go along ;-)
Also, while he wasn't in it this week, i'm convinced that Takezo Kensei is Mr Lindeman. David Anders is the spit of a young Malcolm McDowell.
But Linderman's power was to heal other people, not himself.
Pablo_Escobar
18-10-2007, 09:53
WTF is this weeks comic about?? And what is Hiro meant to be????
Disappearer
18-10-2007, 09:53
Where's this show going at the moment?
Within a couple of episodes of Season 1 it became clear that some sort of atomic catastrophe was going to occur in New York but so far I can't see what the main story arc of this season's supposed to be. It can't be that someone's knocking of the old guys, can it? That's hardly world threatening.
None of the plot threads are particularly enthralling and I find myself willing something exciting to happen. By episode 4 of Season 1 Future Hiro had appeared and I thought "This show is damn cool!" but there's nothing that's even come close so far this time around.
I really don't want to stop watching this show, but somehting interesting has got to happen soon. Good will can only get you so far!
The fact the Matt's dad appears to be the big bad for this volume isn't interesting enough? This volume is called Generations and so the arc about the death of the older generation could be the main theme.
Btw in case you didn't know a volume doesn't necessarily equate to a whole season according to the creators of the show.
Disappearer
18-10-2007, 11:41
The fact the Matt's dad appears to be the big bad for this volume isn't interesting enough?
No, not at the moment. The only "bad" thing he seems to have done is scare Molly when she looks for him.
My main problem with this season so far is that there doesn't seem to be any narrative thrust pushing things forward.
Of course, I'm hoping to be proved wrong.
cockbongo
18-10-2007, 12:00
But Linderman's power was to heal other people, not himself.
Yes I know, but it's too big a coincidence in my book. And hey, maybe powers can change over 300 years...
Shingster
18-10-2007, 12:16
I thought he was trying to fix her dreams...
Yeah you're right, can't believe I didn't notice that the first time round! :doh:
I can't see what the main story arc of this season's supposed to be. It can't be that someone's knocking of the old guys, can it? That's hardly world threatening.
But it is threatening to the main characters of the show! :nuts:
The fact the Matt's dad appears to be the big bad for this volume isn't interesting enough?
I don't think Matt's dad is the big bad, jolly fat people never turn out to be the big bad. :suspect:
There's one guy in that group photo whose face you can't see - and he happens to be sitting in front of Matt's dad. I'm willing to bet that's the guy Molly's scared of.
Shingster
18-10-2007, 12:24
Crude photoshop job showing as much of the people in that photo as possible. Note the old guy in the bottom right whose face we never get to see:
http://www.sheng.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/images/heroesgroupsmall.jpg
Just for the people who want to see the various shots of the group photo, here are the 03 best ones in HD (and Hi-res version of my photoshop): 01 (http://www.sheng.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/images/heroesgroup01.jpg), 02 (http://www.sheng.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/images/heroesgroup02.jpg), 03 (http://www.sheng.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/images/heroesgroup03.jpg), 04 (photoshop) (http://www.sheng.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/images/heroesgroup.jpg).
Note that in group grab #02 you can see that Joanna Cassidy's character has her hand draped over the unknown-face guy's shoulder. Possible that these two are or were involved?
I've also put together the 2 close up shots of Papa Petrelli:
http://www.sheng.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/images/papapetrelli.jpg
Compare these 2 pics with this (http://imdb.com/gallery/hh/1044403/iid_1000269.jpg.html).
certainly looks like him, and the fact his face is intentionally unclear would lead one to assume he's a character we're already accustomed to.
Shingster
18-10-2007, 12:53
Yup, I see no reason why they couldn't get an actor cast in the role by now, unless they had someone specific in mind and he's playing hard to get. The far more likely reason for the blurring is that it's one of the characters we've already been introduced to in the show.
Spooky_uk
18-10-2007, 13:55
it seems that all the heroes have parents or grand parents with powers (and those are present in that picture). With the boogeyman now fingered as parkman Snr, does that mean that Sylar is going to turn out to be parkmans step brother or something down the line...which person in that pic is sylars real parent ...... mmmmm.
and if they are all related etc, where do the south american dudes fit in ... :?:(unless the guy sat on the right at the front of the pic is related to them - looks a bit south americanish..)
Woman on the left at the front looks like she could be south american to me, could be the mother of the two on the run.
unrealnils
18-10-2007, 14:07
comeone they cant all be children of the prople above, throw in the hetian geezer, clairs real mum, invisable geezer and shapeshifter girl there some serious in house breeding goin on :D
I thought we already knew from that map from series one that there are hundreds of 'special' people. It must just be that the ones we focus on in the series are all related to the "Minutemen" group we've seen pictured.
Re the flying: is that the first example of two people having identical powers (Nathan and . . . er . . . the uninteresting kid who can fly). At some point they're going to have to explain how the powers are inherited I think. I hope. Unless they're making it up as they go along ;-)
Maybe this is purely because they eventually want Sylar to fly, but don't wanna kill off Nathan.. here's hoping. :thumbs:
Just remembered, any significance in the cockroach crawling in front of the US bloke that Sylar killed? Seeing as he was dragged into the sewer at the end of S1 and we see the cockroach at the edge of the manhole.
I wondered about that cockroach too. I thought that the cockroach at the end of S1 was symbolic: Sylar was a survivor. In which case this appearance could be just to remind us that Sylar is surviving, but is being pretty nasty to do so.
Grandmaster
18-10-2007, 16:47
My money's on Kensei being the evil mastermind whether he is Mr Petrelli or not, and perhaps Hiro's tinkerings in the past being responsible or having wider ramifications in the present.
Assuming that Kensei is indeed Mr Petrelli, I find it hard to believe he's dead bearing in mind his indestructible nature.
Shingster
18-10-2007, 17:07
I thought we already knew from that map from series one that there are hundreds of 'special' people. It must just be that the ones we focus on in the series are all related to the "Minutemen" group we've seen pictured.
Yup there are definitely hundreds of heroes out there unrelated to the "Minutemen" (Is Kring still denying that Watchmen has had no influence on the show whatsoever? :nuts:).
People we know probably aren't related to the minutemen are: Candice, Eden, the Haitian, and all of Sylar's victims that we've met so far. There's also Mohinder's parents, two normal folk who had a mutant daughter.
Spoiler if you haven't been reading the early comics, about the Petrelli's dad.
In the Vietnam war he get's sent on a covert mission with a few other's. He gets shot and is healed by a young Linderman (doesn't heal himself as Kensei appears to do). He's shocked that Linderman can do this, calls him a freak at one point. The drawing of him doesn't look like Kensei at all to be honest, a later drawing after the war shows him as the double of Nathan.
Reckon it's a fairly safe bet that Kensei is not the Petrelli's dad.
Linderman also appears to be quite young in the comics, so unless Kensei get's alot younger for some reason, it's not him either.
MovieMax
19-10-2007, 00:17
My money's on Kensei being the evil mastermind.
My thinking entirely. What seems to tie everything together is the symbol that first appears with this person and now seems to be omnipresent.
Spoiler if you haven't been reading the early comics, about the Petrelli's dad.
Yup, I agree with that.
With the boogeyman now fingered as parkman Snr, does that mean that Sylar is going to turn out to be parkmans step brother or something down the line...which person in that pic is sylars real parent ...... mmmmm.
Hmm...I guess it's a possibility that Sylar's dad is not the watch maker but I really don't think so...
Imho the cockroach is just symbolic; we also hear ticking clocks when Sylar goes to kill Derek and I thought that that was an indicator that he has his powers back!
Pablo_Escobar
19-10-2007, 08:11
we also hear ticking clocks when Sylar goes to kill Derek and I thought that that was an indicator that he has his powers back!
I don't think he does have his powers back yet. As he used a rock to kill derek and not his powers! I also think that if he did have his powers back he would have killed the mexicans straight away and taken their powers.
crazyfool_col
19-10-2007, 08:40
Does anyone know how Sylar ended up in Mexico when in the last episode he was in the middle of now where?
He possibly was in the middle of nowhere in Mexico, though maybe the comic could shed some light on his travels. His wound seems to have healed well enough, even if his powers have been taken.
The introduction of the Mexican's and New Orleans family is stupid considering the show has too many characters already, while the news reels of the flooding was awful. I hope Micah dies and Nikki turns to the dark side.
What's the point of having annoying kids in the show? The series seems too violent to be appealing to a young auidence.
Without Hiro and Peter the series suffers.
Shingster
19-10-2007, 11:41
Does anyone know how Sylar ended up in Mexico when in the last episode he was in the middle of now where?
He collapsed from his wounds in the middle of the Peruvian Jungle and his eyebrows dragged him all the way into the middle of the Mexican desert! :suspect:
What's the point of having annoying kids in the show?Perhaps to reflect the fact that are kids in the real world?
Quincunx
19-10-2007, 13:52
He collapsed from his wounds in the middle of the Peruvian Jungle and his eyebrows dragged him all the way into the middle of the Mexican desert! :suspect:
That's illogical.
Perhaps to reflect the fact that are kids in the real world?
The key word in my grumble was 'annoying'.
That's illogical.
:lol:
There was at least one shot this week where I thought "crikey, that Spock casting is just right".
Shingster
19-10-2007, 15:51
That's illogical.
:thumbs:
I fear he's gonna have to clip those rude boys to play the thin-browed vulcan!. :help:
The key word in my grumble was 'annoying'.Well that does reflect the real world! ;) Personally I don't find the kids annoying at all.
Several 2 - 4 questions answered over at Comic book resources...
http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=12172
There may be a couple of small spoilers for tonights episode so proceed with caution!
Xenomorph
23-10-2007, 05:13
Several 2 - 4 questions answered over at Comic book resources...
http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=12172
There may be a couple of small spoilers for tonights episode so proceed with caution!
Having just watched episode 5 there are lots of big spoilers so I wouldn't go near it!
Ninjakettle
23-10-2007, 10:24
Did the cheerleader that talked to Claire and handed her the signup form remind anyone of Kristin Kreuk (Lana from Smallville) - a family resemblance?
the thing with no name
09-05-2008, 09:01
watched this on BBC HD last night
i think a better episode for the whole story arc, with Parkman's dad being revealed as the bad guy
also, i think it'd be better if sylar just got his damn powers back and started kicking off
a rock and some moody looks are a bit weak for him!
Highlander
09-05-2008, 10:05
Is no-one (apart from 'the thing') watching this at UK pace then? I'm suprised these threads are not being bumped up every week? I'm not exactly watching it at UK pace either. Only started watching Heroes 2 weeks ago, and have watched all the first series and am up to ep. 9 on the 2nd. Should be finished by the w/e. Ocassionly look back at the threads, to see what everyone said about it.
the thing with no name
09-05-2008, 10:14
i have studiously avoided the 'other ways' to watch s2 as i knew BBC HD would be showing it.
Saying that, if the HD boxset was out in the US before end of transmission here in the UK, I'd probably get that
Is no-one (apart from 'the thing') watching this at UK pace then?
I am but I can't be arsed to comment if the thread has not been bumped up.
After four episodes I have found it easier to get into this series than the first one, it might be because the characters are already known or that with the BBC showing this season first this time around we don't have to put up with adverts 30 seconds or so into the episodes ala the Sci-Fi channel last year.
I thought the episode was pretty decent. I thought it was obvious that West had got some powers but was surprised it was flying.
It is annoying how even early in season 2 "they" feel the need to recycle abilities outright, it does rather make characters less interesting. Ooo West can fly well big whoop so can Nathan so why do we need another one with an identical ability? The guy from the company who can turn anything into gold, now that's an interesting one! :)
or how about the I can copy anything I see on TV girl, that's a bit of an obscure power!
Just like the first series: No Hiro = really dull.
No Oirish didn't help either.
I quite like the slower approach, just enjoying the evolution and stories of all the characters.
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