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Jimmyboy
11-10-2007, 03:21
Had to start this thread after picking up the new Plain White T's album on the strength of "Hey There Delilah" only to find the rest of the album is all Fall Out Boy-ish teeny power pop. Doh!
Klaxons - Golden Sans
Hard-Fi - Hard to Beat
Razorlight - In The Morning
mullethead
11-10-2007, 05:27
I know that I was publicly ridiculed the last time I said this, but i'm still a bit partial to My Sacrifice by Creed
Let the flaming commence......
SIMON ADEBISI
11-10-2007, 06:13
I know that I was publicly ridiculed the last time I said this, but i'm still a bit partial to My Sacrifice by Creed
Let the flaming commence......
:lol:
Creed suck ass. Eddie Vedder wannabe singer etc. Sorry had to do it.
ozzy man dias
11-10-2007, 06:47
anybody remember 'Inside' by Stiltskin ? - I thought that song rocked :thumbs:
robzinski
11-10-2007, 06:49
I know that I was publicly ridiculed the last time I said this, but i'm still a bit partial to My Sacrifice by Creed
Let the flaming commence......
Cracking song. Used to good effect by the WWE in one of their Desire videos.
robzinski
11-10-2007, 06:50
anybody remember 'Inside' by Stiltskin ? - I thought that song rocked :thumbs:
The album wasn't all bad though. I did only buy it second hand for about £2 though.
Johnny Vodka
11-10-2007, 08:10
Had to start this thread after picking up the new Plain White T's album on the strength of "Hey There Delilah" only to find the rest of the album is all Fall Out Boy-ish teeny power pop. Doh!
You bought the new Plain White T's album on the strength of "Hey There Delilah"? :nuts: :D (It sounds like McFly doing a ballad.)
Kirs-tea
11-10-2007, 08:13
Chocolate by Snow Patrol
Buck Rogers by Feeder
In Betweener by Sleeper
Had to start this thread after picking up the new Plain White T's album on the strength of "Hey There Delilah" only to find the rest of the album is all Fall Out Boy-ish teeny power pop. Doh!
Yeah when I heard the album I thought "Oh great - Busted USA"
sugababes-about you now
bon jovi-living on a prayer
take that-back for good
Billy Ocean-love really hurts without you
coldplay-trouble
nirvanha (imo of course!)-heart shaped box
a friend of mine says:
Dancing in the Moonlight - Toploader
Good Enough - Dodgy
George vader
11-10-2007, 11:20
"Throwing It All Away" and "Turn It On Again" by the loathsome Genesis,
sugababes-about you now
Totally agree there!!!!
also 1973 by james blunt - corking song
Kirs-tea
11-10-2007, 11:33
sugababes-about you now
:eek: What?! Probably one of the worst songs they've done IMO! 'Freak Like Me' is definitely the Sugababes best single :thumbs:
a friend of mine says:
Dancing in the Moonlight - Toploader
You need a new friend.
Mr Majestik
11-10-2007, 11:36
All the small things - Blink 182
I surrender - Rainbow (in a pure cheese kinda way)
I think it's a perfect pop track. I'm not familiar with the band but I've been checking out their other main hits and nothing compares, though I agree 'freak like me' is pleasant enough, lots of their other output seems junk
On the theme of manufactured teeny pop I should add:
Britney Spears-Toxic
S Club 7-Don't stop Moving
Girls Aloud-sound of the under ground
LouBarlow
11-10-2007, 11:51
a friend of mine says:
Dancing in the Moonlight - Toploader
Good Enough - Dodgy
Your friend doesn't cook at all does he? :suspect:
Kirs-tea
11-10-2007, 11:54
Your friend doesn't cook at all does he? :suspect:
:lol:
Johnny Vodka
11-10-2007, 12:17
I think it's a perfect pop track. I'm not familiar with the band but I've been checking out their other main hits and nothing compares, though I agree 'freak like me' is pleasant enough, lots of their other output seems junk
"Push The Button"? "Overload"? Sugababes definitely aren't a naff band. Okay, I don't own any of their albums, but I'd say ~50% of their singles are corkers (although there are some ***** ones too).
Mr Majestik
11-10-2007, 12:36
(although there are some ***** ones too).
Also known as the ballards.
SIMON ADEBISI
11-10-2007, 12:37
:eek: What?! Probably one of the worst songs they've done IMO! 'Freak Like Me' is definitely the Sugababes best single :thumbs:
Class song.
JV, I hate the two tracks you mention. It's just not my type of music but even then I think the tunes are pretty weak, they've just hired some excellent producers.
There is only one other song of theirs I've browsed upon which I enjoy
At the risk of losing all credibility forever more, I think Money for Nothing by Dire Straits is a really good song with a cracking riff. *there, I said it*
sugababes-about you now
Not wanting to turn this into a Sugababes thread but Push the Button is MUCH better!
Oh and their first one (Overload ?) :thumbs:
EDIT: Only just seen JV's comments above...He's got better taste than I thought :D
Kirs-tea
11-10-2007, 13:17
At the risk of losing all credibility forever more, I think Money for Nothing by Dire Straits is a really good song with a cracking riff. *there, I said it*
Don't worry....... You're not alone! I like it too! :D
LouBarlow
11-10-2007, 13:18
Overload is by far The Sugababes best track anyway
Johnny Vodka
11-10-2007, 13:19
At the risk of losing all credibility forever more, I think Money for Nothing by Dire Straits is a really good song with a cracking riff. *there, I said it*
You've just lost all credibilty. :p
who doesn't like that Dire Straits track?
Cracking guitar solo. Not over familiar with them but I like the few others I've heard-excellent guitarist. I understand they're a bit of a yuppie band but doesn't stop them being great.
Nor does
Phil Collins-Against all odds
Johnny Vodka
11-10-2007, 13:22
who doesn't like that Dire Straits track?
As above, me. Total dad rock.
MetalGearAl
11-10-2007, 14:18
Overload is by far The Sugababes best track anyway
Agreed, end of discussion, back to the thread :D
After spending about an hour trying to outdo a mate of mine by playing obscure songs from our respective itunes playlists he pipes up with this little line. "If this song had been written by The Beatles it would be an instant classic no question." and bear in mind he says this with a straight face, total seriousness, no jokes, no messing. He then proceeds to play Its all about You by Mcfly...
I feel sick just thinking about it.
LouBarlow
11-10-2007, 16:53
After spending about an hour trying to outdo a mate of mine by playing obscure songs from our respective itunes playlists he pipes up with this little line. "If this song had been written by The Beatles it would be an instant classic no question." and bear in mind he says this with a straight face, total seriousness, no jokes, no messing. He then proceeds to play Its all about You by Mcfly...
I feel sick just thinking about it.
He's right though - if that was on Sgt Pepper, critics would be creaming themselves.
Jimmyboy
11-10-2007, 22:02
You bought the new Plain White T's album on the strength of "Hey There Delilah"? :nuts: :D (It sounds like McFly doing a ballad.)
It's a great song, they must have been having an off day or something...
Johnny Vodka
12-10-2007, 07:57
It's a great song, they must have been having an off day or something...
1. It's horribly bland and saccharine.
2. Delilah is a stupid/pretentious name. I can't believe anyone is actually called that these days.
;)
All the small things - Blink 182
I came in to post that, spooky
Safety Dance - Men Without Hats :)
gingertom
12-10-2007, 09:18
Crazy horses - the Osmonds
mr starface
12-10-2007, 09:50
erm I also have a friend who thinks 3am by Busted and Ultraviolet by McFly are pretty damn good pop songs.
Teenage Dirtbag - Wheatus.
Excellent pop song....I'm liking the Girls Aloud cover of it as well. :thumbs:
Jimmyboy
12-10-2007, 20:45
1. It's horribly bland and saccharine.
2. Delilah is a stupid/pretentious name. I can't believe anyone is actually called that these days.
;)
Johnny Vodka didn't have the same ring to it.;)
He's right though - if that was on Sgt Pepper, critics would be creamKilling themselves.
Slight typo there! McPish make me physicially sick, just the thought of them. :gag: Bunch of lisping gimps who are still waiting for something to drop.
LouBarlow
13-10-2007, 07:20
Slight typo there! McPish make me physicially sick, just the thought of them. :gag: Bunch of lisping gimps who are still waiting for something to drop.
When I'm 64 is on Sgt Pepper :gag:
I'd quite gladly switch those 2 tracks ;)
davecarter
13-10-2007, 07:55
a friend of mine says:
Dancing in the Moonlight - Toploader
Good Enough - Dodgy
Two of the most hideously annoying teeth grating songs in the world ever, add to that list You're Gorgeous by Baby Bird
bioneuro
13-10-2007, 09:38
Whilst I agree that You're Gorgeous is a very annoying song, at least it is a twisted song, which I don't think 99% of people ever realised. I think some people even thought it was an all-out love song and had it played at their wedding!
Can't hear it without thinking of the Mark and Lard cover version :)
robzinski
13-10-2007, 10:30
Mercury Rev - Goddess on a Highway
The Bear
13-10-2007, 10:34
Skater Boi - Avril Lavigne
This is possibly shameful to admit but I've always thought that 'The Harder I Try' by Brother Beyond was a superb pop record (and possibly SAW's finest moment.)
davecarter
13-10-2007, 11:14
This is possibly shameful to admit but I've always thought that 'The Harder I Try' by Brother Beyond was a superb pop record (and possibly SAW's finest moment.)
Nope saws finest moment has to be you spin me round
A truly great record by a Naff Band
Great thread. I can see me making a compilation of all these and playing it at work to annoy everyone !
SIMON ADEBISI
13-10-2007, 11:35
Whilst I agree that You're Gorgeous is a very annoying song, at least it is a twisted song, which I don't think 99% of people ever realised. I think some people even thought it was an all-out love song and had it played at their wedding!
What was it actually about. Dont think i ever listened to it long enough to know the meaning.
fluffyfred
13-10-2007, 11:55
Tattva by Kula Shaker.
Rest of their album was pap though.
What was it actually about. Dont think i ever listened to it long enough to know the meaning.
Y. O. U. R. E. G. O. R. G. E. O. U. S.
Remember that tank top you bought me.
You wrote 'You're Gorgeous' on it.
You took me to your rented motor car and filmed me on the bonnet.
You got me to hitch my knees up and pulled my legs apart.
You took an instamatic camera and and pulled my sleeves around my heart.
Because you're gorgeous I'd do anything for you.
Because you're gorgeous our love will see us through.
Because you're gorgeous I'd do anything for you.
Because you're gorgeous I know you'll get me through.
You said my clothes were sexy, you tore away my shirt.
You rubbed an ice-cube on my chest snapped me 'til it hurt.
Because you're gorgeous I'd do anything for you.
Because you're gorgeous our love will see us through.
Because you're gorgeous I'd do anything for you.
Because you're gorgeous I know you'll get me through.
Ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba
You said I wasn't cheap. You paid me twenty pounds.
You promised to put me in a magazine on every table in every lounge.
Because you're gorgeous I'd do anything for you.
Because you're gorgeous our love will see us through.
Because you're gorgeous I'd do anything for you.
Because you're gorgeous our love will see us through.
Because you're gorgeous I know you'll get me through. I know you'll get me through.
Fever Dawg
14-10-2007, 08:26
Can You Dig It? - The Mock Turtles
Walk Away - Cast
Flathead - The Fratellis
I Predict A Riot - Kaiser Chiefs
And for all you popsters out there ....
Turn Back Time - Aqua
Wrong Impression - Natalie Imbruglia
kohoutec
14-10-2007, 09:16
Mercury Rev - Goddess on a Highway
I don't class Mercury Rev as naff at all :?:
My vote goes to Puddle of Mudd - Blurry. I detest the band, but there's something about it that really makes me like that song
LouBarlow
14-10-2007, 09:31
Strangely I would class Goddess on a Highway as naff though - like the rest of their stuff mind.
Kirs-tea
15-10-2007, 07:48
Mercury Rev are nowhere near being naff!!!
Retronana
15-10-2007, 08:06
Biology by Girls Aloud
Best written/crafted pop song in the last 10 years, and no I'm not on crack before you ask ;)
Kirs-tea
15-10-2007, 08:09
Biology by Girls Aloud
Best written/crafted pop song in the last 10 years, and no I'm not on crack before you ask ;)
Are you sure you're not on crack.....???!!! :nuts: :D
Retronana
15-10-2007, 08:15
Red Bull....yes, crack nope :nuts:
Biology is a FANTASTIC track. Easily GA's best.
It's fab but not as fab as Graffiti My Soul.
mmm bop!
mmm bop is pap. The rest of middle of nowhere is AWESOME. :D
GinSoakedBoy
16-10-2007, 12:09
It's fab but not as fab as Graffiti My Soul.
Wot he said!
Here is a good song by really ******* **** band:
Self Asteem by The Offspring.
Kirs-tea
16-10-2007, 13:26
Here is a good song by really ******* **** band:
Self Asteem by The Offspring.
:thumbs: Yep, excellent choice!
SIMON ADEBISI
16-10-2007, 18:16
Here is a good song by really ******* **** band:
Self Asteem by The Offspring.
I always like Come Out And Play off that same album.
Keiron99
16-10-2007, 18:16
"Throwing It All Away" and "Turn It On Again" by the loathsome Genesis,
Naff songs by a once great band, I think you mean ;)
Naff songs by a once great band, I think you mean ;)
Turn It On Again isn't naff! It's in 13/8 you know.... :)
Throwing It All Away on the other hand....
Jimmyboy
17-10-2007, 02:50
Here is a good song by really ******* **** band:
Self Asteem by The Offspring.
Actually I think I liked the first 4 or 5 songs off that album...
Crash - Primitives
Gravity - Embrace
I predict a riot - Kaiser Chiefs
All bands I hate but for these songs
gingertom
17-10-2007, 06:29
Arent hate and naff different things?
ie
Naff - Take That
Hate - Westlife
Good naff Take that song - Back for good
I hate everything Westlife record
The Bear
17-10-2007, 14:15
Gravity - Embrace
Written by Chris Martin of Coldplay, and 'given' to Embrace for having Coldplay support them on tour when Embrace were big many moons ago.
"Thanks for all the support lads when you were 'big' - Here's the best song on your new album for you".
How about Room 5 - Make Luv...liked the song but the band just disapeared...
The Drugs Don't Work - The Verve. Even this over-rated, self-important, derivative bunch of chancers had one moment of transcendent beauty in them.
Morning Glory - Oasis. A similarly over-rated, etc, etc bunch of chancers, fine song, even if it was The One I Love with different words.
Breakfast At Tiffany's - Deep Blue Something. A lovely little song, bought the album on the strength of this - and there wasn't one single half-baked idea to be found among the other tracks. I felt cheated of the 99p it cost from the bargain bin.
Umbrella - Rihanna. Say what you want, hate it or, well, hate it, it's a superbly crafted & executed pop song.
I've always liked the (flawed) idea that even the worst band/artist has one good song in them. I'll probably think of a few more. :)
DeadYankee
31-10-2007, 22:44
Kashmir by Led Zeppelin - Hated this band of cock rock hippy stockbroker ******* with a passion but this is a great tune.
Pure Shores by All Saints - Generally would walk under a bus rather than listen to them but that track could be on repeat forever and I wouldn't complain.
Some Girls by Racey - No, just no, absolutely not! No, no, no, and yet.... yes, go on then....
The Bear
01-11-2007, 17:07
Steal My Sunshine by Len.
A great summer tune. Obviously a naff band as I've never heard of anything else by them.
Johnny Vodka
01-11-2007, 17:39
Steal My Sunshine by Len.
A great summer tune. Obviously a naff band as I've never heard of anything else by them.
That's a fine tune. I haven't heard anything else from them either, although I'm not sure how you then make the deduction they are a naff band. :?:
The Bear
02-11-2007, 16:13
No I just meant they obviously hadn't written anything else worthy of release or worth remembering.
Keiron99
02-11-2007, 18:29
Kashmir by Led Zeppelin - Hated this band of cock rock hippy stockbroker ******* with a passion but this is a great tune.
Like them or not, I don't think Zep were ever considered "naff".
What's with the "stockbroker" comment?
jmdomain
02-11-2007, 19:33
A misnomer:
Shergal Farkey - A Good Heart
How can you go from 'Teenage Kicks' to that is a wonder.
Dollar signs must have been imprinted on the eyes.
Artistic integrity means nothing when you get the chance to re-invent yourself and make a lot of money.
DeadYankee
02-11-2007, 19:47
Like them or not, I don't think Zep were ever considered "naff".
Did you miss Punk rock happening?
Naff is British slang. It has several meanings: * Something which is seen to be particularly "cheesy" or "tacky" or in otherwise poor aesthetic ...
http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/4386/zepfh9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Mental as Anything - Live it up :O
A misnomer:
Shergal Farkey - A Good Heart
How can you go from 'Teenage Kicks' to that is a wonder.
Dollar signs must have been imprinted on the eyes.
Artistic integrity means nothing when you get the chance to re-invent yourself and make a lot of money.
I love the Maria Mckee version of A Good Heart. She said herself she made shedload of cash from that song but spent it in one hell of a year travelling around Europe :thumbs:
Did you miss Punk rock happening?
http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/4386/zepfh9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Bearing in mind John Lydon later came to acknowledge Zeppelin as an influence, your "Did you miss punk rock happening ?" is as innacurate as it it witless. Is the photo supposed to prove their naffness ? It does nothing of the sort.
DeadYankee
02-11-2007, 21:40
It certainly does, but I didn't realise that daring to say a word against the sainted Zep would break so many hearts. I didn't say they were **** - just naff, which they clearly were/are. Tragic, embarassing cock rockers and equally tragic hey diddly diddly gandalf aping hippies. Whatever Lydon says in his dotage hardly has a bearing on what was the catalyst for punk. Those trousers caused punk rock and thank god for that
Only cos Lydon's maggot offering has no bearing on the meat/2veg combo of Robert Plant.
Penis envy.
Jimmyboy
02-11-2007, 21:51
Yeah the difference in song writing ability and actual talent between Zeppelin and the Pistols is like the difference between the Premiership and the under-16 Sunday league.
DeadYankee
02-11-2007, 22:07
'Talent' isn't really the point here the thread said "naff" bands and anyone can pick any band as being naff based on their personal perspective. Dunno why some are so insecure about the special fave bands
AndyWilson
02-11-2007, 22:10
When I was 16/17 wearing a Led Zep T-Shirt was about as "naff" as you could get - second only to owning their albums...
Led Zep and the Pistols did have one thing in common - they both recorded one classic album. The difference is that the Pistols did it all on one record rather than in bits and self-indulgent pieces over about 10 sided of vinyl..
Just because Lydon admits to actually liking Plant's wailing doesn't make it any less awful...
kohoutec
02-11-2007, 22:17
'Talent' isn't really the point here the thread said "naff" bands and anyone can pick any band as being naff based on their personal perspective. Dunno why some are so insecure about the special fave bands
Well keep going, chief, keep going. Go on, you've got another five seconds. Say something outrageous. ;)
derek cassidy
06-11-2007, 02:39
Did you miss Punk rock happening?
http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/4386/zepfh9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Punk rock began with the Sex Pistols?:lol:
The Sex Pistols were a manufactured band. The Sweet were playing better "punk" than they ever played in 1973. What's more, Glen Matlock was a Small Faces fan (Led Zep idolised Small Faces) & old Johnny Rotten listened to bands like Can. Nothing about the Pistols rings true.
They made an album that is basically Chuck Berry riffs. The whole myth about punk being a "response to over blown rock bands" is laughable. The Stooges were playing punk when John Lydon had long hair & WAS listening to bands like Led Zep. What's more, bands like The New York Dolls wore tighter pants than Led Zep. PJ Proby & Tom Jones were wearing tight pants long before Robert Plant.
Ironic that the very bands that made punk possible were slagged by McClaren & his plastic punk cohorts as "dinosaurs". Now Lydon lives in a masion in L.A. & the rest of the band have been in the kind of bands that they professed to hate (check out Steve Jones in 1989)...what does that say about them & punk?
As for some buffoon claiming that Led Zep recorded "one classic album"...dear oh dear.
Sex Pistols recorded ONE classic album because they were not a band, they were assembled as a business venture, no different from McClaren's shop.
Ironically, the band who SHOULD have been as "influential" as Sex Pistols were bands like the Heavy Metal Kids, led by Gary "Wayne from Auf Weidersehen Pet" Holton...Lydon once remarked to Holton, "how does it feel to be ripped off, Holton?". If you want to go further back, the mods were more "punk" than alot of punk bands.
Learn your music history before claiming to know why punk started. It did not start in England in 1976 & was not begun by Sex Pistols. Far from being a "response" to heavy rock, punk grew out of heavy rock. The NME readers musical snobbery has always made me laugh. I've never had a problem with listening to Deep Purple or Status Quo...does that mean I can't listen to David Bowie or Joy Division aswell?
Let's not forget the myth that punks weren't "middle class" either. It's odd that the British should be so precious about a movement that, if it "began" anywhere, began in the USA. It's also funny to hear bands & people who grew up listening to or being punk, talk about prog rock as being an influence. Embarassment all around as Radiohead & At The Drive In admit to listening to Emerson, Lake & Palmer!
Naff doesn't mean "cheesy" either btw, despite what wikipedia might claim. It was a word comonly used by gays in Britain in the 60s & before to describe something that wasn't "with it".
Kenneth Williams & Hugh Paddick used it alot when in their gay radio characters "Julian & Sandy". Cheesy is the same as "corny", naff is quite different.
SIMON ADEBISI
06-11-2007, 06:14
I thought you were banned???
You big crack head.
The Cleaner
06-11-2007, 06:46
Punk rock began with the Sex Pistols?:lol:
I don't think anyone said it did? :shrug:
DeadYankee
06-11-2007, 07:06
Have another drinkie David - Mum's safely asleep now so you can live out you wildest fantasies on the internet. What a ******* rotter - almost as punk rock as Timothy Spall
LouBarlow
06-11-2007, 07:48
Yes?
AndyWilson
06-11-2007, 09:19
Sorry Derek, but you're talking out of the wrong orifice.
I was a 15yr old longhair who accidentally went to see the Sex Pistols in 1976 and you just can't imagine now how totally different they were to anything else around at the time. Yes, they had influences, what band doesn't - and to a certain extent they were manufactured (but not as much as McLaren likes to claim) - but they were one of the catalysts that made people realise you didn't need a double neck guitar, 10 year's experience and a huge wallet to make music.
Find a film of an early Pistols gig, then go watch The Song Remains The Same...
Maybe Led Zeppelin (or Pink Floyd/Deep Purple/Uriah Heap/ELP etc) had some soul and feeling in their music in their early days, but that was before my time. By 76 most rock music, at least that a 15yr old could hear on Alan Freeman, was a turgid mess of pretentious masturbation.
Don't forget, music wasn't as easily available back then. Living in a small seaside town all I got to hear was what radio one played, the few bands that played locally, and friend's older-brother's records. Those of us with paper rounds couldn't afford to spend 2 week's wages on an album that would probably turn out to be some band going through the motions inbetween sniffing cocaine off of groupie's breasts in the bahamas. Sure there were bands like The Stooges around - but where could we hear them? Punk was new, exciting - and most importantly for me - the bands got off their arses and toured - even playing small seaside towns!
LouBarlow
06-11-2007, 09:26
It is impossible to find any music not influenced by what has gone before. You might as well say The Kinks were the originators of punk rock.
a friend of mine says:
Dancing in the Moonlight - Toploader
I couldn't stand that, cheesy pap imo but Achilles heel was a cracking song...
derek cassidy
06-11-2007, 17:18
Sorry Derek, but you're talking out of the wrong orifice.
I was a 15yr old longhair who accidentally went to see the Sex Pistols in 1976 and you just can't imagine now how totally different they were to anything else around at the time. Yes, they had influences, what band doesn't - and to a certain extent they were manufactured (but not as much as McLaren likes to claim) - but they were one of the catalysts that made people realise you didn't need a double neck guitar, 10 year's experience and a huge wallet to make music.
Find a film of an early Pistols gig, then go watch The Song Remains The Same...
Maybe Led Zeppelin (or Pink Floyd/Deep Purple/Uriah Heap/ELP etc) had some soul and feeling in their music in their early days, but that was before my time. By 76 most rock music, at least that a 15yr old could hear on Alan Freeman, was a turgid mess of pretentious masturbation.
Don't forget, music wasn't as easily available back then. Living in a small seaside town all I got to hear was what radio one played, the few bands that played locally, and friend's older-brother's records. Those of us with paper rounds couldn't afford to spend 2 week's wages on an album that would probably turn out to be some band going through the motions inbetween sniffing cocaine off of groupie's breasts in the bahamas. Sure there were bands like The Stooges around - but where could we hear them? Punk was new, exciting - and most importantly for me - the bands got off their arses and toured - even playing small seaside towns!
No doubt they had an impact, but it is a fallacy that there was nothing but prog rock & then the Sex Pistols happened. Were kids sat twiddling their thumbs "waiting for punk to happen"? Doubt it...more likely it evolved from pub rock. Just because a band plays 3 chords fast doesn't mean those that don't are null & void.
The impact of the Sex Pistols was largely due to hype generated by McClaren & the press.
A Heavy Metal Kids gig in 1974 consisted of the kind of "outrage" (fighting, spitting, violence, explicit lyrics, aggressive & confrontational vocalist...) the Pistols were famous for.
As for "no one said punk started with the Sex Pistols"...someone posted that J Lydon cited Led Zep as an influence, then DeadYankee chimed in.
You see, I know people THINK the Sex Pistols "changed everything"...the fact is, they didn't. Journalists & 40/50 somethings love to claim they saw the Sex Pistols & it changed everything. Hype, nothing but hype. Lydon was & is an arrogant, self pitying & over bearing bore. His band took pub rock & sold it as rebellion to suburban youths who didn't live in London so never got to see Dr Feelgood play.
The Sex Pistols were one big rip off & they even made a film saying so.
David the crack head clueing you all in after his one week sojourn.
AndyWilson
06-11-2007, 19:08
You see, I know people THINK the Sex Pistols "changed everything"...the fact is, they didn't. Journalists & 40/50 somethings love to claim they saw the Sex Pistols & it changed everything. Hype, nothing but hype.
They certainly changed everything for me. It was a DIY attitude to music that was totally different to anything else around at the time. I'd never heard of the Sex Pistols when I saw them, - so how could that have been hype?
Lydon was & is an arrogant, self pitying & over bearing bore. His band took pub rock & sold it as rebellion to suburban youths who didn't live in London so never got to see Dr Feelgood play.
Punk was undoubtedly influenced by Pub Rock - look at Joe Strummer's origins in the 101'ers - but Pub Rock still had the "muso" attitude. You were expected to earn your musical stripes before you were allowed to perform. Punk allowed performers to learn on stage - meaning anyone could try. Most failed, but the experiments were always interesting. What other musical movement could encompass bands as diverse as The Damned, The Jam, The Clash and The Slits?
The Sex Pistols were one big rip off & they even made a film saying so.
Er... maybe you should check out your musical history a bit more before posting. McClaren made a FICTIONAL film in which he suggested it was all a swindle.
The Sex Pistols had a huge affect on the kinds of music I listened to, so for me did "change everything".
Whenever a new genre emerges there will always be bands that spearhead it into the public eye, The Sex Pistols played a huge part in doing that for Punk, both the music and the fashion.
derek cassidy
06-11-2007, 21:54
Are you sure "The Great Rock n Roll Swindle" is fiction? I see it more like a manifesto.
I'm not arguing that the Sex Pistols & punks "diy attitude" were not influential, I'm just tired of hearing the same tired cliches about music being "boring" & "inaccessible" because the bands could play well & earned bundles of money.
Sounds more like envy & snobbery to me. I like punk, but I also like prog rock...I couldn't care less how many chords or how much cash they made.
Just because you studied an instrument for 10 years does not mean you deserve ridicule by someone who just picked one up.
Not every band was staging inept rock operas on ice skates & I think it is dishonest & supremely unfair of some music commentators (people like Paul Morley) to suggest that until punk came along there was nothing & everything since owes a debt to punk...what about the debt owed to heavy rock? You don't hear Charles Shaar Murray pontificate about The Sweet much, yet if you listen to their "Live at the Rainbow" record, it pre dates what the Sex Pistols were doing by 3 years.
Not enough respect is shown by the likes of Lydon. When he talks it's as if he invented something. McClaren masterminded the Sex Pistols, he chose what they wore & how they presented themselves. When you think of their defining moments like the Grundy appearance, it all seems very stage managed. They were picture postcard punks & Lydon had the temerity to slag The Clash and Sham 69 as being "fake".
If you think about it, McClaren was a Simon Cowell figure...encouraging mediocrity & quick fame for a quick buck. It's not as if the Sex Pistols were promoting the diy punk ethic anyway...they had contempt for their audience & the iconic figure of the Sex Pistols is Sid Vicious, a puppet who had no talent & died of a heroin od. At least The Clash & Jimmy Pursey reached out to their audience & in so doing encouraged people to create & be politically aware....neither of which the nihilistic, short term cash in the Sex Pistols were, did.
Let's be honest about the "not being able to play" thing...Steve Marriot of the Small Faces said that he could barely play a guitar when they began, he learnt by playing. Nobody thinks "we can't play, let's form a band". That ethic was around way before punk...look at all the beat groups of the 60s, hundreds of bands appeared out of nowhere. If you like music, have something to say & want to be in a band then you practice, not because you're a "muso", but because you want to play well.
I reckon the left wing "something for nothing" ethic was the diy punk ethic. They wanted what the mainstream bands had but weren't prepared to learn how to play. Comparable with the "brit art" of Damien Hirst & Tracey Emin...prepared to suffer for their art, just not prepared to learn how to draw. They're all capitalists in the end though, all of them rich.
DeadYankee
06-11-2007, 22:41
Derek, nothing you've said has any bearing on the fact that Led Zep looked like a bunch of ***** and made music for cave dwellers. They weren't "prog rock" they were cock rock.
I have nothing against people who can play their instruments, I like all genres of music and I can, in fact play my own guitar rather well but I don't choose to dress up like a wizard and sing about pixies whilst stuffing a fish up a groupies ****.
LouBarlow
06-11-2007, 22:43
That was Uriah Heap not Led Zep. LZ produced two amazing records in a row, but I guess it is just too cool to diss them.
DeadYankee
06-11-2007, 22:51
I don't really give a **** about what is supposed to be "cool". I just know that when I did give a **** about such things then anyone with any suss knew that led zep were social death. Hence their being listed by me as naff.
It amuses me greatly that there are people out there willing to go to such tragic lengths to stick up for a band of ancient millionaires because someone dared to point out how embarassing they are/were.
LouBarlow
06-11-2007, 22:57
Tragic lengths? :lol:
I just said they produced two amazing albums in a row.
I grew up listening to Led Zep as my old man was a massive fan. I never listen to them now as they really do nothing for me, but that doesn't effect my appreciation for their work. They were a band that had *that* energy that many a live act aim for - their BBC sessions record from a few years ago, would be appreciated by anyone, but that's not to say they would choose to bed down with it for the night.
Appreciation and personal like are totally different things, and it has become sadly too post-ironic to slam Led Zep of late. There are far ******* bands out there to truly hate.
DeadYankee
06-11-2007, 23:03
I was referring to the previous posters who took my minor slight of Led Zep as an act of war, and also of course to David Cassidy and his rambling gibberish.
I don't hate Led Zeppelin, I have most of their albums. I just think they are pretty damn naff and always have been. Most of the bands I like are naff but it wouldn't break my heart to see others call them on their naffness
God only knows what the Racey fans are planning
derek cassidy
06-11-2007, 23:10
No, LZ weren't prog rock, but as it's always prog rock that gets cited as the reason for punk happening, I thought I'd mention it.
The excesses of LZ were common to other bands before & after. You may not like their music, but to dismiss them as rubbish with one good song to their name is stupid.
I don't like Pink Floyd much but I can understand why others do. There's no real difference between how LZ dressed & any other rock band of that period. They all wore outlandish clothes. Not all LZ music is about pixies, most of their early stuff is straight heavy rock & blues.
The idea that heavy music fans are stupid is a myth, most I've seen are brighter than average if anything. Stupid people either don't listen to music at all or are guided by the radio.
I've never been aware of LZ's "uncoolness", maybe it's a Welsh thing. Liking Fleetwood Mac or Camel is certainly uncool, but LZ have always been pretty hip & have their music sampled enough to be a heavy band that it's "ok to like".
As for people sticking up for them, you didn't honestly think that saying "Kashmir" was their only good song would go unnoticed did you?
"I don't hate Led Zeppelin, I have most of their albums"?!?.....Pardon? I don't have ANY of their albums & I like them more than you do. Talk about "rambling gibberish". As for a "minor slight"!...reducing one of the most influential & successful rock bands of all time to one hit wonders & dismissing them as "cock rockers" is a "minor slight". No, saying that the drum solos went on a bit too long is a minor slight.
Everything I've posted has been lucid...just because you've chosen not to read it or don't understand it doesn't make it "gibberish".
DeadYankee
06-11-2007, 23:17
I don't like Pink Floyd much but I can understand why others do. .
Really?
"Dark Side Of The Moon"...the most over rated record ever recorded by the most over rated band ever.
Pink Floyd were only worth listening to when Syd Barrett was in them & they were still over hyped public school boy nonsense then. Never will understand people's unswerving devotion to them, as if their songs were somehow unequalled in their brilliance & beyond criticism...what makes them so much "better" than their contemporaries like Genesis or Roxy Music? Hype.
Stick to writing irrelevencies about the Pistols, at least we can laugh at that
First thought upon seeing the thread title was:
Biology - Girls Aloud.:suspect:
derek cassidy
06-11-2007, 23:28
Really?
Stick to writing irrelevencies about the Pistols, at least we can laugh at that
:lol:Ha Ha, I see...still harbouring a grudge about my "Dark Side Of The Moon" comments. I said I will never understand fans "unswerving devotion" (you seem to be proof of this by digging this out)...I didn't say I didn't understand why people liked them. I even mentioned I liked their early stuff..."Pink Floyd were only worth listening to when Syd Barrett was in them".
Stick to making insulting "lives with his mum" comments, at least they are true.
Btw...being a big Pink Floyd fan must mean you own none of their albums, right?
AndyWilson
07-11-2007, 09:07
Actually, getting back to naff bands - I have an embarassing amount of singles by "new-wave bandwagon hoppers" from around 77-78 - the naffest of which must be "Saturday Night Beneath The Plastic Palm Trees" by the Leyton Buzzards - which I still have a soft spot for!
wong fei hong
07-11-2007, 09:33
Girls Aloud have at least a dozen really, really great songs.
My nomination is for Singing In My Sleep by the near-forgotten Semisonic...
DeadYankee
07-11-2007, 10:31
Gertcha is a great song but Chas n Dave never really hit the big time, plus you can't knock Japanese Boy by Anneka
The Bear
07-11-2007, 10:36
To Earth With Love by Gay Dad.
Kirs-tea
07-11-2007, 10:36
Girls Aloud have at least a dozen really, really great songs.
Hmmmm........ That's debatable...... :D
Johnny Vodka
07-11-2007, 10:40
Girls Aloud have more than one good tune, much as it pains me to say it (although it's arguably more down to their writing/production team than it is them).
The Killers - Mr Brightside (that remixed version)
Poison - Every Rose Has Its Thorn
Girls Aloud have at least a dozen really, really great songs.
My nomination is for Singing In My Sleep by the near-forgotten Semisonic...
I really like FNT.
LouBarlow
07-11-2007, 11:51
The Beatles - I Want to Hold Your Hand
King Adora - Suffocate
Northern Uproar - Rollercoaster
Rialto - Monday Morning 5:19
Airhead - Counting Sheep
Rialto - Monday Morning 5:19
Thats a great song. Did they actually release any other sings?
LouBarlow
07-11-2007, 12:08
I think they were dropped after that album.
Kirs-tea
07-11-2007, 12:13
Airhead - Counting Sheep
I loved Airhead, and they were from Maidstone! :thumbs:
derek cassidy
07-11-2007, 18:20
Gertcha is a great song but Chas n Dave never really hit the big time, plus you can't knock Japanese Boy by Anneka
Oh dear, wrong again...Chas n Dave have done dozens of great songs
Aint No Pleasing You
Sideboard Song
London Girl
Down To Margate
Musnt Grumble
Rabbit
and here's an apt one..."Stop Dreaming".
Woefully under rated songwriters, Chas Hodges has been around for donkeys years & worked with dozens of people...including ironically Jimmy Page.
DeadYankee
07-11-2007, 18:49
Derek, has it occured to you that you might be (a) reading a little too much into posts and (b) that you might be taking this lighthearted thread a little too seriously?
Your touching devotion to pub rock is a delight though, why not ask mum if you can start a thread about it and see who is interested.
Posting early tonight I see - dear old mum out at the Bingo?
LouBarlow
07-11-2007, 18:50
Are you two a double-act or what? Must be a wind-up.
Best double act since me and Spanky
derek cassidy
10-11-2007, 05:21
Derek, has it occured to you that you might be (a) reading a little too much into posts and (b) that you might be taking this lighthearted thread a little too seriously?
Your touching devotion to pub rock is a delight though, why not ask mum if you can start a thread about it and see who is interested.
Posting early tonight I see - dear old mum out at the Bingo?
"Reading a little too much into posts"...like suggesting people are threatening to murder others?
The thread reads..."great songs by naff bands". a) Chas N Dave aren't a naff band b) they have written several great songs.
If this thread is "light hearted", why attack Led Zeppelin so vociferously & then go on to attack me in a similar fashion?
Apparently it is ok for you to take the thread seriously or not seriously, depending on who replies to your comments. Maybe when I've totted up a few thousand more posts I'll qualify for similar status & I'll be able to condescend to a mere "less than a thousand posts" person. I've only been at this since 2005 & in 2006 I took a hiatus, so it's been approx. 1 year of experience. I'll always be over 15,000 comments behind you so I wouldn't expect anything more than dismissal & ridicule, regardless of the validity of my comments. "Know thy place" is one of my favourite pearls of wisdom handed down by my elders & betters.
In the meantime, I'll brush up on my "still lives with his mother" put downs. I've yet to use them, but I'm sure they're bound to trouble any "bored at work" drones who dare to question my authority, once I do.
Who likes balsamic dressing btw?
Phil Lynott cited Chas Hodges as his bass playing influence...Derek informs.
Phil Lynott cited Chas Hodges as his bass playing influence...Derek informs.
Blimey, you've read a lot of music books, Derek.;)
Apropos of very little, there aren't a great many bassists who'd cite Phil Lynott as an influence on their musicianship, iconic though he may have been.
DeadYankee
10-11-2007, 08:54
Derek, you sound a little bit confused, probably all that heavy metal killing brain cells. Get Mum to make sure you've taken all the right pills
LouBarlow
10-11-2007, 09:05
Your mum or his? :suspect:
Some weird **** goes on in this place.
Girls Aloud have at least a dozen really, really great songs.
Not sure about about "a dozen" but they do have a few decent tunes.
Unfortunately they all seemed to have been made into one track - 'Biology'. That single has about 5 different tunes/hooks within it!
john.hem
10-11-2007, 12:12
You may enjoy this site; you can pass hours away listening.
http://songza.com/
John
Rock 'N' Me by Steve Miller Band...they're pretty naff.
Quincunx
11-11-2007, 09:26
Motorcycle Emptiness - Manic Street Preachers.
The one they wrote for Kylie was quite good too.
The Bear
11-11-2007, 12:03
Motorcycle Emptiness - Manic Street Preachers.
The one they wrote for Kylie was quite good too.
That would be Bliss, which is indeed a good song.
But naff band? Come on!! They may be a bit naff nowadays but they were brilliant up to and including Everything Must Go.
The Bear
11-11-2007, 12:17
You may enjoy this site; you can pass hours away listening.
http://songza.com/
Cheers, nice site.
That would be Bliss, which is indeed a good song.
But naff band? Come on!! They may be a bit naff nowadays but they were brilliant up to and including Everything Must Go.
Interesting you say that. I always viewed early MSP as naff and they only gained crediibility since releasing Design For Life (no more "4 real" stunts FFS!)
Never classed myself as a fan but same them @ Norwich UEA earlier this year and they were excellent live
Thanks to john.hem for the songza link.:D
Kirs-tea
12-11-2007, 07:48
The one they wrote for Kylie was quite good too.
You mean Some Kind Of Bliss?
Good song :thumbs:
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