View Full Version : Hurricane crashes at Shoreham airshow
DeadKenny
15-09-2007, 17:04
Not sure this is the best place for it, but as most airshow discussion is under the photography forum then maybe relevant here, more so as the police are after photos/videos.
Reported on the BBC, a Hurricane crash with sadly one fatality during the Shoreham airshow today.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/6996734.stm
mazportico
15-09-2007, 17:31
We have friends who live near Shoreham and go to the airshow annually. Like lots of the locals they go and watch it from the fields the otherside of the runway. The plane crashed about 50 metres from where they were sat with the kids, and many other families, watching the planes.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/44809346@N00/sets/72157602030692633/
People, including our friend, were on the scene instantly. As you can see from the photos there was nothing that could be done. Very sad and shocking.
DeadKenny
15-09-2007, 17:40
Stunning photos. Feel sorry for the kids to have seen that. Tragic for the family of the pilot of course and tragic loss of a lovely plane.
Just slammed into the hill it seems. No chance.
its a sad day, it really took the edge off what was a stunning airshow,
this is all that could be seen from inside the show grounds
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1012/1388010932_1d7029f7e1.jpg
Rest in peace
Fozzybear
15-09-2007, 20:01
Ouch! Poor guy. :(
Sad to lose a Hurricane too, I guess there's not many of those left in flying condition.
A sad loss for both pilot and machine.
puddleduck
16-09-2007, 21:22
R.I.P Brian Brown, saw him fly at Duxford just a few weeks ago :(
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1222/1393787592_80510fd09f_o.jpg
A terrible shame,
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1139/1388589404_3a0c57f87b_b.jpg
Heard this on the news yesterday, and then drove past the sign for shoreham airshow on the way home - forgot it was on (wish I'd gone now!!).
Shame to see this kinda outcome though :(
mazportico
17-09-2007, 10:45
Our friends sent their pictures to BBC News. They knew they wouldn't get any money for them; they said didn't want to profit from a tragedy.
They had assumed that only the BBC would use them, but not so. They have appeared on:
Sky news website:
http://news.sky.com/skynews/picture_gallery/picture_gallery/0,,70141-1284276,.html
Dailymail website:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=482014&in_page_id=1770
Worthing Herald:
http://www.worthingherald.co.uk/11147/GALLERY-Crashed-Hurricane-at-Shoreham.3206381.jp
Littlehampton Gazette:
http://www.littlehamptongazette.co.uk/news/TRAGEDY-HITS-SHOREHAM-AIR-SHOW.3205139.jp
And no doubt many others.
The last two are interesting in that the photos are creditted to Jay KayCappa. He is a Sussex-based photographer recently convicted for assaulting Heather Mills-Mcartney.
The BBC images submission bit says this:
Terms and conditions
If you submit an image, you do so in accordance with the BBC's Terms and Conditions.
In contributing to BBC News you agree to grant us a royalty-free, non-exclusive licence to publish and otherwise use the material in any way that we want, and in any media worldwide. This may include the transmission of the material by our overseas partners; these are all reputable foreign news broadcasters who are prohibited from altering the material in any way or making it available to other UK broadcasters or to the print media. (See the Terms and Conditions for the full terms of our rights.)
It's important to note, however, that you still own the copyright to everything you contribute to BBC News and that if your image and/or video is accepted, we will endeavour to publish your name alongside it on the BBC News website. Please note that due to operational reasons this accreditation will probably not be possible with video. The BBC cannot guarantee that all pictures and/or video will be used and we reserve the right to edit your comments.
At no time should you endanger yourself or others, take any unnecessary risks or infringe any laws.
Can the BBC pass (sell) them on or is it more likely that someone has pinched them and passed them off as theirs. I have no idea on copyright issues. As I read the BBC bit it allows them to use them (non-exclusively) for nowt but it's not clear whether they can sell them on?
Any advice?
I'd say the first paragraph allows the BBC to do what they want (including profit) from the images. Thats why I won't send pictures to the BBC.
Frankly I think it's a shame anybody sent pics of a pilot's fresh grave to any news organisation, and if they've since been screwed over by said news organisation selling them on, my sympathy cup is hardly overflowing.
mazportico
17-09-2007, 13:28
They're not seeking sympathy. They were more concerned that someone (possibly the BBC) was profiteering from the pictures of a tragedy which, for the reasons you allude to, they had thought hard about before sending to a reputable news organisation.
puddleduck
17-09-2007, 13:41
Frankly I think it's a shame anybody sent pics of a pilot's fresh grave to any news organisation, and if they've since been screwed over by said news organisation selling them on, my sympathy cup is hardly overflowing.
I think its a bit tasteless as well.
I think folks forget that this is end of of someones life... and its a fine line between news and ghoulish-ness.
I guess its the "rubbernecker" mentality of folks who morbidly peer at car crashes etc.
Sometimes folks need just to put the camera down and show some respect.
Just IMHO.
...they had thought hard about before sending...
So hard in fact that they didn't even bother to read the T&Cs that the BBC laughably try and make out remove all your rights to your own images as soon as the BBC receive them. Give me a break - they thought they had newsworthy shots, so they sent them off - end of story. I'm sure the moral turmoil lasted all of 5 seconds.
You'll excuse me but I'm rather closer to the story than most here and seeing the poor sod's remains ablaze in the paper the next morning while preparing to go to work at the second day of the show rather puts you off your breakfast.
mazportico
17-09-2007, 18:37
He was asked to take photographs by one of the other two or three people first on the scene, they being an off-duty policeman suggesting it would be useful to the investigators. Of course he didn't have to put them on the web or anywhere else. For me it is right on the border or newsworthy / ghoulish. For others it will fall very clearly one side or the other. But I didn't mean to turn this in to that sort of a debate and I apologise if this thread has offended anyone.
In respect of my original comment it appears that the photos (and some by others) were lifted off flickr and sold on commercially to various media outlets.
iannewson
17-09-2007, 20:05
In respect of my original comment it appears that the photos (and some by others) were lifted off flickr and sold on commercially to various media outlets.
Flickr copyright (http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/copyright.html)
If you believe that your work has been copied in a way that constitutes copyright infringement, or your intellectual property rights have been otherwise violated, please provide Yahoo!'s Copyright Agent with the following information on this online form:
DeadKenny
17-09-2007, 21:39
The whole "send us your photos" thing on BBC and Sky really bugs me. They're getting free photos on the spot by the public and end up with total rights to them. Joe Public feels honoured but has really been ripped off, and press photographers are losing their livelyhood. :oh-hum:
Flickr at least allows you to retain copyright and dictate usage, but it doesn't stop theft.
Andrew70
17-09-2007, 23:23
In respect of my original comment it appears that the photos (and some by others) were lifted off flickr and sold on commercially to various media outlets.
The pictures aren't credited to Jay KayCappa - they're attributed to a Ady Goddard. And do you know for sure they were sold or are you just speculating?
On the one hand I can understand the compulsion to take photos in situations like these, but on the other I can't help thinking that claiming to take them to help the authorities is a bit of a thin excuse when the Flickr site was up within hours and the BBC had received them too.
Sammy709Sony930
18-09-2007, 07:30
We have friends who live near Shoreham and go to the airshow annually. Like lots of the locals they go and watch it from the fields the otherside of the runway. The plane crashed about 50 metres from where they were sat with the kids, and many other families, watching the planes.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/44809346@N00/sets/72157602030692633/
People, including our friend, were on the scene instantly. As you can see from the photos there was nothing that could be done. Very sad and shocking.
I assume you changed this to private due to the "thefts".
iannewson
18-09-2007, 10:00
The pictures aren't credited to Jay KayCappa - they're attributed to a Ady Goddard....
They have been changed. The Worthing Herald one was definatley Jay KayCappa yesterday :thinking:
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