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Another good result tonight although the score seemed a bit harsh on Rovers,
but sounded like a great atmosphere at the ground.
Beckford and Kandol seem on fire at the moment.
Yeah, great result if not the performance. 6 out of 6 is just the start we needed. I can see us doing the full season unbeaten and going up as champions. If we do it will make the 15 point deduction look like a pointless excersise.
Perhaps a 20 or 25 point deduction next time for the next club that upsets the F A :razz:
Chef.
TimLeeds
15-09-2007, 10:56
Here's hoping that Kandol and Beckford keep fit this season.
It's amazing what a bit of confidence will do. Last season Kandol couldn't hit a barn door but suddenly he is scoring for fun. As for Beckford, if Scunthorpe had upped their £200k bid in the summer Bates would have probably sold him...... thank goodness they didn't.
Typical Leeds fan. Thats one of the reason Leeds aren't popular
We're not all like that! Anyway, after the summer we've had surely you can forgive superleeds123 a bit of exuberance after our start to the season?
I'd wager that the majority of Leeds fans will be keeping feet firmly on the ground, despite the great start. I'm simply hoping that the fact that all the other teams in this division seem capable of beating each other might work in our favour as we try to work our way up the table.
Welshlad
15-09-2007, 12:46
Another great result and some cracking goals to boot (espeically Beckfords second!). Lets not get too carried away yet - 6 games is hardly a season long run. At least were out of the drop zone for a bit. Well done to DW & Gus on their efforts thus far having a 6-day pre-season as preparation!
Onwards and upwards
Fair play last night. Leeds were clinical with their finishing. The scoreline flattered you and was a little harsh on us, but hey thats life.
I think rovers had the better of the game but your game plan works and you deserved the 3 points. I lost count of the number of corners we had and didn't get anything productive out of.
can you do me a favour and beat the jacks tomoz please?
Apparently Leeds is classed as our rivals the same as Swansea but I'd rather you beat the team down the M4 that are the Man Utd of League One :lol:
AndyWilson
23-09-2007, 16:09
I guess people are just getting bored with winning EVERY week? :D
Is there a record for the number of consecutive wins at the start of a season?
If there is it's pretty certain we'll fall a match short of beating it!
Mr Majestik
30-09-2007, 11:46
....And we did thanks to a very dodgy ref.
Still took Gillingham 40 minutes against 9 men to score though.
Frazer Richardson, Matt Heath and Rui Marques. Have they all been playing in defense for you of late? Notched you only conceded one during September.
Sorry for the question. Just writing an article on Leeds for the upcoming Darlington JPT game.
Another good win tonight. A bit too deep into injury time for my liking but they all count :clap:
Welshlad
03-10-2007, 08:12
How many late goals is that already this season?
Maybe the rumours of non-stop fitness training pre-season due to not having a 'squad' was quite true?
AndyWilson
03-10-2007, 08:12
I know that in points terms we're much nearer the bottom than the top, but even so - who'd have believed we'd be mid-table this early in the season after the 15pt deduction :)
DeadYankee
03-10-2007, 11:12
It is a hugely impressive performance given the circumstances
Mr Majestik
03-10-2007, 11:15
This is certainly the most enjoyable season for a Leeds fan in many years and long may it continue.
Welshlad
06-10-2007, 17:17
:) I bet there aren't many leaving Elland Road early to beat the traffic this season!
What about Swansea too!
Wonder if any of those SMUG Terriers who basked in the glory of their 15 point pre kickoff advantage will be along to post on our thread anytime soon? Not only has the advantage been wiped out, it's now a a point deficit !!!! :clap:
Big game this weekend which will be a good indicator of whether we really can keep up this relentless charge to the top! :nuts:
I've been trying not to get too carried away after the last 5-6 years of misery but it's getting harder by the week. :thumbs:
Welshlad
08-10-2007, 15:23
Leyton Orient are leaking goals by the hatful at the moment (5-0 at home to Swansea!!!) and we haven't conceded since about 1994, so signs are good. Wouldn't it be nice to score in the first 89 minutes of a game though :D
Yesterdays referee was something else! :nuts:
Think the penalty was a bit iffy to say the least and I don't know how Kandol managed to kid himself that he could actually take a penalty. My heart sunk when I saw it was him to take it and my prediction that he'd miss didn't quite do his effort justice! :lol:
Still unbeaten though if VERY lucky to get a point in the end after the ref and linesman ruled out a perfectly good goal for the O's.
Hopefully we'll get back to winning ways at Brighton next weekend. :)
Fat Bloke
15-10-2007, 18:13
Will it go down as a defeat for you in your 'Real League Table' in your programme? Due to the extremly dodgy goal that was ruled out.
Going by the pictures of the goal that never was and the apparently harsh sending off, it seems that the ref was trying everything possible to make it up to Dennis Wise after the bust up they had at Southend last season.
simonmac
15-10-2007, 18:25
Will it go down as a defeat for you in your 'Real League Table' in your programme? Due to the extremly dodgy goal that was ruled out.
:lol:
Leeds chance of a cup this season have gone against the Mighty Shakers! :)
TimLeeds
08-01-2008, 10:54
It's good to see us buying some young promising players so far this month. The team definitely needs a bit of a shake up after a disappointing December. That said, what a fantastic first half of the season it has been!
Kilkenny should be a good signing for us. He was effective against us whilst playing for Oldham and had a good game for us against Northampton. Hope he keeps it up now he has signed permanently.
Don't know anything about Sorsa, Sweeney or the two Argentinian's on loan but it seems that they fit in with DW's policy of signing young players rather than those looking for a last payday a-la Blackwell.
It was also good to see us reject Dean Morgan over his excessive wage demands. Thank god Ridsdale wasn't still in the boardroom... we'd probably have offered even more than Morgan wanted!
What do others think about the rumoured £3M for Beckford? I think that whilst it is good money, he is our only striker who is hitting the net with any regularity and therefore to sell him now could prove even more costly in the long run.
Think selling Beckford would be a disaster for the club's hopes of automatic promotion. We might scrape it through the PO's without him but he'd be a MASSIVE loss IMO. Think he'd take the Championship by storm next season if we go up.
Can't see the point in him going to DCFC either as we'll most likely be playing them next season if he stays put! :thinking:
Mr Majestik
15-01-2008, 16:14
Anyone seen Beckfords interview on sky sports news lastnight?
Sky Bloke: Anything in the rumours of you going to Derby?
Beckford: Are you kidding? Look at the shirt mate!
TimLeeds
16-01-2008, 09:48
Beckford's response "Bruv" was hilarious. It seems to be the norm nowadays that a player/their agent is always seeking a move to generate signing on fees/higher wages, so it is nice to see that a player is seemingly proud to play for their club. Mind you, now that I've said that he'll probably be off next week without a backward glance!:doh:
Welshlad
16-01-2008, 09:51
Lets be honest though, he's nowhere near either a £3M player or a premiership footballer. He's better off where he is!
thejetsons
16-01-2008, 13:18
Yeah, he's definately better off staying at Leeds - if we don't get promoted, then maybe he'll want to go but I reckon if we do get promoted, he'd do a good job for us in the championship too.
Apparently Jewell has said he doesn't want him and he's looking for a 'higher quality player'.
Mr Majestik
16-01-2008, 15:42
Apparently Jewell has said he doesn't want him and he's looking for a 'higher quality player'.
Derby bought Eddie Lewis off us.
I know which one i'd have in the team.
Mr Majestik
28-01-2008, 15:16
So then we need a new manager....
Welshlad
28-01-2008, 15:26
What a strange game it is....
TimLeeds
28-01-2008, 16:37
Who do we want? Mourinho's free! ;)
Paddy power have the following odds:
Gary McAllister 3 - 1
Dave Bassett 7 - 2
Paul Ince 4 - 1
Billy Davies 9 - 1
Chris Coleman 9 - 1
Glenn Hoddle 12 - 1
Sam Allardyce 16 - 1
Steve McClaren 16 - 1
Alan Shearer 16 - 1
Steve Clarke 18 - 1
Gianfranco Zola 20 - 1
Micky Adams 25 - 1
Gianluca Vialli 25 - 1
Eddie Gray 25 - 1
Gary Johnson 28 - 1
Roberto Martinez 28 - 1
Dave O’Leary 33 - 1
Gordon Strachan 33 - 1
Kevin Blackwell 33 - 1
George Graham 40 - 1
Aidy Boothroyd 40 - 1
Eric Cantona 50 - 1
Gary Kelly 100 - 1
Jack Charlton 100 - 1
Looking at the up and coming managers Ince is an interesting one but would fans forgive his ManU connections? Looking at Bates' old Chelsea connections then Zola would also be interesting. Personally, I'd love to see Strachan back but can't see him leaving Celtic for League One. What I would hate to see is Bates give Bertie Bassett the job until the end of the season.
IMO if Bates doesn't act swiftly then our indifferent form of the last month could easily continue until the season's end. Whilst on current form Swansea seem to have one hand on the title, second place is still very much up for grabs.
Also like to say thanks to Wise for a fantastic start to the season. Let's face it, despite the last months results, if, at the start of the season, someone had offered us a top six spot and within reach of automatic promotion by January then we'd have jumped at the chance.
What a strange game it is....
I guess there are not many people including Leeds supporters who saw this coming then. A director of football (whatever that is) seems a strange position to take.
Hernster
28-01-2008, 17:03
Who do we want? Mourinho's free! ;)
:lol:
mklion123
28-01-2008, 18:11
I guess there are not many people including Leeds supporters who saw this coming then. A director of football (whatever that is) seems a strange position to take.
I think it's his ability to turn things round quite quickly they're after. Obviously if someone was to offer you £1,000,000 a year, with no real stress involved, your gonna take it.
If Bates can prove he's got plans in place for money, and ambitions for the Prem, then I can see McClaren taking the job (he's a Leeds fan, don't know if he's a local boy?).
thejetsons
28-01-2008, 18:28
I really thought that Wise would be the one person who would stay through it all, but apparently he's quadrupling his salary so obviously money talks.
Steve McClaren could do a good job but he's said he want's another job in the premiership. McAllister could come but it will probably end up going to Bassett!
TimLeeds
28-01-2008, 18:34
I guess there are not many people including Leeds supporters who saw this coming then. A director of football (whatever that is) seems a strange position to take.
It seems odd to me too. Even more so when you take into account the fact that when Keegan has had enough, Shearer is likely to be next in line so Wise probably wouldn't be able to move sideways into that job. As mklion says, money talks and if he can get £1M a year for less stress then he'd be daft not to. :shrug:
If Bates can prove he's got plans in place for money, and ambitions for the Prem, then I can see McClaren taking the job (he's a Leeds fan, don't know if he's a local boy?).
He was born in York and is, as you say, a Leeds fan. Not sure if I want him to be honest. I don't think he'll ever live down his England failure (a la Graham Taylor). The "wally with a brolly" headline may end up being his version of the "Turnip Taylor" one.
That said, I'm sure many Man City fans were uneasy about Sven but he's had them playing good football so far.
It seems odd to me too. Even more so when you take into account the fact that when Keegan has had enough, Shearer is likely to be next in line so Wise probably wouldn't be able to move sideways into that job. As mklion says, money talks and if he can get £1M a year for less stress then he'd be daft not to. :shrug:
I read some stories today that Wise is 'fed up' with the daily grind of management and wanted a way out so this is perfect for him. A massive pay rise and he gets to spend 5 days a week down in London - this is a 2 day a week role apparently.
Dave O’Leary 33 - 1
:nuts::nuts::nuts:
I really thought that Wise would be the one person who would stay through it all
Yeah, because he doesn't have a history of jumping ship mid season. Oh wait, he did that to join Leeds.
Truth is, loyalty is a word that no longer exists in football. If a better club* comes with a bag of cash, they go.Realities of being a league 1 club.
(* Leeds fans may not agree - no offence intended, but currently Newcastle are 'better' in terms of league position/finances/home gates).
Crikey, didn`t see this comming :eek:
As for a replacement I`d love Aidy Boothroyd to take over. He`s done a fantastic job at Watford but I`m not sure he`d take a move with Watford in a good position for a return to the premiership.
(* Leeds fans may not agree - no offence intended, but currently Newcastle are 'better' in terms of league position/finances/home gates).
You're exactly right BUT he's taken a step down in terms of his position. Can't recall many managers giving up their post to take on a number two roll (or three????) can you? That's the thing that puzzles me...... unless he's realised management is just not for him?
Still think he played a BIG part in our relegation last season but can't fault him for his efforts this season. I do worry that KB will look to Bassett to manage the team which I think would be a serious error since a large section have wanted him gone for weeks and season ticket renewals will be dropping through our letterboxes any day now!
My top three from the bookies list (however unrealistic!) would be
1: Allardyce
2: Billy Davies
3: Micky Adams
My heart says Macca but I'm just not sure he's experienced enough as yet......
TimLeeds
29-01-2008, 08:12
My heart says Macca but I'm just not sure he's experienced enough as yet......
I agree with this. I wouldn't be gutted if he got the job but neither would I be completely confident that he would take us forward.
From all the out of work managers Billy Davies would probably be a good choice. He's always rubbed me up the wrong way in the past but I think he's a bit like Neil Warnock in that opposition fans can't stand him but when he's at your club you appreciate what a good job he's doing/has done.
I agree that some of the names on the bookies list are completely unrealistic. At present, we are not in the market for £1M+ per annum managers so I can't see Allardyce or any other "big name" being given it unless they were willing to take a very small basic salary (possibly with big bonus clauses depending on success).
TimLeeds
29-01-2008, 10:45
Interesting article in the YEP. Apparently we haven't named a caretaker because an announcement is expected in the next 48 hrs. It also states that neither Bassett or Gannon are in the running for the job :clap:. Perhaps Bates has learned from the Carver debacle last season.
Full article here:
http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/leedsunited/I39ll-do-it-my-way.3720064.jp
From all the out of work managers Billy Davies would probably be a good choice. He's always rubbed me up the wrong way in the past but I think he's a bit like Neil Warnock in that opposition fans can't stand him but when he's at your club you appreciate what a good job he's doing/has done.
Don't be fooled - there's large proportion of Derby fans who would also put themselves in the 'anti-Davies' camp. We all knew that we were on an incredibly lucky streak last season (and he did his best to spoil it) and then he proceeded to systematically weaken an already very poor squad once we had somehow got promoted.
He might do a decent job of organising what's there but whatever you do don't let him spend a penny of your money!
Mr Majestik
29-01-2008, 12:24
Latest from the yorkshire evening post...
BREAKING: McAllister in Elland Road talks
McAllister in talks with Leeds United
Gary McAllister is in talks with Leeds United about taking the vacant manager's job, the Yorkshire Evening Post understands.
Bookmaker Paddy Power today suspended betting on the Leeds United job after receiving a rush of money for McAllister.
A spokesman said a number of the bets had come from punters who were normally 'in the know' on football matters.
William Hill still has McAllister as 25 to one on for the hot seat at Elland Road.
Quick to William Hill...
You're exactly right BUT he's taken a step down in terms of his position. Can't recall many managers giving up their post to take on a number two roll (or three????) can you? That's the thing that puzzles me...... unless he's realised management is just not for him?
No, well not by choice anyway:) It is strange I grant you. I wondered if he had the nod that there would be an opportunity in the future (perhaps Keegan is planning to do a bunk in the summer :)).
More likely something has gone on behind the scenes at Leeds, or he's just fed up with it all.
McAllister confirmed:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/leeds_united/7215732.stm
At least we can expect some loyalty from him (although he'll probably be rubbish ;) ).
At least we can expect some loyalty from him (although he'll probably be rubbish ;) ).
I wouldn't go quite that far...... I seem to remember Coventry's offer of "double your salary" being far too good to turn down at the cost of playing at (as was then) one of the top six sides in the country. A quick transfer request followed the statement a week before that he would never want to leave Leeds. I also remember the greeting he got from us (me especially!) when he came back with Cov that season (we lost 3-1 I think...) and every subsequent time after that. I believe he earned the name mercenary at Cov as he got paid shed loads for a couple of seasons, barely kicked a ball and then left for liverpool. :nuts:
For all that he's one of the best players I've ever seen in a Leeds shirt and I hope he can be the catalyst to get our faltering season back on track.
TimLeeds
31-01-2008, 08:40
Here's hoping that by midnight we have not only kept Beckford but also got Gary Speed to come back in dual role of both a player and assistant manager. He'd be able to do what Alan Thompson hasn't and give us some much needed experience in midfield. Optimistic I know. Especially as wages would, almost certainly, be a big problem.
If, as reported, Leeds got £1m compensation for Wise what are the chances of Ken spending it now? Unfortunately, I think he's lining his pockets as much as he can prior to selling us in the summer.
Perhaps we could do a swap with Barnet whereby they get Kandol back and we get Puncheon.
Mr Majestik
31-01-2008, 12:22
Unfortunatly Speeds definatly not coming.
Unfortunatly Speeds definatly not coming.
He can't can he?
He's already played for 2 clubs this season, and has already moved once in this transfer window, so it'd break two 'rules' I think.
thejetsons
31-01-2008, 22:15
Lubomir Michalik has returned! 3 and a half year deal - brilliant signing!
Also made Darren Kenton's loan into a permanent deal and signed Alan Sheehan and Anthony Elding (1 goal every 2 matches for Stockport)
Apparently Sammy Lee is coming in as assistant - would be very happy with that.
TimLeeds
01-02-2008, 09:06
He can't can he?
He's already played for 2 clubs this season, and has already moved once in this transfer window, so it'd break two 'rules' I think.
Don't know about the twice in one transfer window rule but I don't think the three clubs in a season would have mattered because he was on loan. I only say that because last season Beckford played for us plus also Carlisle and Scunthorpe on loan. So I think loanees are looked upon differently. Not that it matters because we didn't get Speed anyway.
Lubomir Michalik has returned! 3 and a half year deal - brilliant signing!
The Lubo deal is a great one. He and Rui at the back could be a terrific partnership.
I take back (some of) what I said about Bates in post No. 50. I still think he'll cash in during the summer but at least he got some deals done this month. Roll on the rest of the season. If Macca gets these players to gel quickly we can turn this recent bad patch around and move on. Automatic promotion is definately within our reach.
thejetsons
02-02-2008, 18:13
We were terrible today :(
Yup, the pressure is well and truly on now. The fantastic start we've had could be our undoing as expectations are (were?) VERY high. Midfield bypassed for large periods AGAIN on saturday I thought. Not that any of them went looking for the ball off the defence that much!
Fingers crossed Macca can get the midfield working before it's too late.
Mr Majestik
04-02-2008, 12:36
So Steve Stauton has No2. No one saw that coming did they?
Still not sure if it's a good or a bad thing but it's got to be better than basset.
TimLeeds
04-02-2008, 16:14
So Steve Stauton has No2. No one saw that coming did they?
Still not sure if it's a good or a bad thing but it's got to be better than basset.
I'm not exactly inspired by this but as you say he's got to be better than Basset. The problem we have is that anyone taking the job is potentially only there until the end of the season so we won't attract anyone who is already at a club and are limited to these that are out of work.
As Sweevo says I hope Macca can get us passing the ball before it's too late.
Also agree that our fantastic start has left us with high expectations. If, at the start of the season, someone had offered me the option of a comfortable mid-table finish I'd have snapped their hand off because no team has ever avoided relegation having been docked 10 points at the start of a season (let alone 15 points). However, if we miss out on a chance of promotion it will seem a disappointment after the start we had.
Just completed my Season Tickert renewal form ready for posting later today. Anyone else been daft enough to do the same. Was a very close call, mainly due to the ridiculous price increase and my current financial state, ie SKINT :nuts:
Think it'll be £410 for another season of 3rd division football. Was woeful on saturday yet again. Think Kandol is going to be the whipping boy for the rest of the season if things don't improve. Won't help him but he does look out of his depth in this division !!!!!!! :eek:
Looks like i'm the only Leeds Fan left in town!!!! :nuts:
I'll post to myself for theraputic reasons anyway as it's good to talk, even to yourself! Another dire performance tonight which was only slightly tempered by me witnessing what must be one of the ALL TIME GREAT misses of english football, hilarious. :lol:
Think the play offs are still a realistic prospect but on current form we'll fall at the first hurdle.
We wont even make the playoffs if this form continues.
TimLeeds
12-03-2008, 13:21
It'll be an interesting finish. I was playing about with the BBC's results prediction programme and I had Swansea winning it with 103 points, Carlisle and Doncaster finishing 2nd & 3rd with both getting 90 points and only goal difference separating the two.
I had Leeds finishing 6th on 80 points just pipping Southend for the last playoff slot....... that was before last nights debacle though so if I repeated it today we would drop to 7th.
I wonder if Macca will change one/or both of the front two and give Freedman/Elding a start for the Port Vale game?
thejetsons
12-03-2008, 15:04
It was an awful miss wasn't it!
But we were awful too, first half I didn't think we played that bad but second half we were very poor.
Need to improve! Still reckon we'll finish top 6 though.
Just read that the club (AKA Ken) has not renewed it's contract with Radio Leeds for live match commentary. Think the old man's greed is a disgrace. Any guesses who'll have EXCLUSIVE rights to match commentary? Yup, Radio Ken ! :nuts:
I go to the home games but rarely make it away these days so i'll be confined to teletext or summat of that ilk when we're away next season.
The club website has been gradually turned into something out of the Stalin era over the past 18 months. I can only imagine how timid and biased towards our beloved chairman coverage will be on said channel. :thumbs:
No doubt we'll be able to pay a subscription fee for the pleasure of listening to the commentary over the net if we can't find it on a DAB radio. That's if you've got a DAB radio of course!!!!!! :doh:
Bad to worse......... and that's before I even start to talk about the team. :brickwall
TimLeeds
22-03-2008, 21:34
Well that was much better. Ok, we needed the three points but, personally, what really pleased me was to see our midfielders get the ball on the floor and look to play the ball to feet. What a difference Freedman makes up front with his clever link up play. Whilst I don't want to nit-pick and find fault with Beckford after his two goals, I just wish he'd look up a bit more. There were a couple of occasions when he could have played others in but tried to go it alone and ended up losing the ball cheaply. However, if we play like we did tonight for the rest of the season I think we'll make the playoffs.
TimLeeds
27-03-2008, 14:55
We've got a massive 2-3 weeks coming up.
Brighton at home this Saturday followed by Donny and Orient away next Tuesday and Saturday. Saturday 12th sees Carlisle at Elland road and the following week brings the arbitration case.
4 games and a total of 27 points to play for!! ;)
I won't make predictions as I don't want to jinx us but I think that the Brighton and Orient games are six pointers and fall into the "must not lose" category. If we lose to Brighton they open up a 5 point gap, so, whilst I obviously want a win, I would grudgingly accept a draw too.
TimLeeds
03-04-2008, 10:54
Looks like i'm the only Leeds Fan left in town!!!! :nuts:
I'll post to myself for theraputic reasons anyway as it's good to talk, even to yourself!
Me too!
The BBC are reporting that Gary Mac has been rewarded with a new contract as a reward for our "better" performances of late. As much as I like to see us play the passing game I am yet to be convinced that Macca is the man for the job in the long-term. I guess that two wins and a draw in the last three games, against teams that are challenging for promotion, has tipped the scales in his favour but, personally, I would have waited until the end of the season. It's only a couple of weeks since we lost to Cheltenham and drew with Port Vale.
TimLeeds
08-04-2008, 16:04
Is anyone out there? ;)
Interesting news that Bournemouth have now been sold to their "ex-Chairman" without a CVA after HMRC voted against the CVA yesterday.
This is identical to what happened at Leeds. Will the Football League now deduct 15 points from them too? For obvious reasons I hope not. It will give us more ammunition when we begin arbitration next week.
Luton have also had their CVA rejected and will almost certainly look to exit admin in the same manner.
As was stated at the time when this happened to Leeds, HMRC are obviously going to appeal against all CVA's that do not give them equal status with football debts (which must be paid in full).
Surely now is the time for the FL to hold up their hands and scrap this stupid no CVA/minus 15 points rule. Rotherham and Halifax are also in admin and face a similar situation. How many more clubs must this affect before the FL admit that this is a daft way to penalise clubs.
IMO the proper (and simpler) thing for the FL to do is, rather than deduct a further 15 points, just ban those responsible for taking the club under from ever having control of a club again (or at least for a set period of time).
AndyWilson
21-04-2008, 12:52
Just giving this a boot as a change from biting my nails.
Still 2pts short of a definite playoff place, with my "second" team Brighton needing to get the full 6pts from their last two games to overtake us (or draw one and win one with a margin of 25 goals) even if we lose against both Yeovil and Gillingham...
..so is the smart money on a Leeds/Forest playoff final or are we going to get our 15pts back and upset Carlisle?
TimLeeds
21-04-2008, 13:26
..so is the smart money on a Leeds/Forest playoff final or are we going to get our 15pts back and upset Carlisle?
Andy, your guess is as good as anyones! :shrug: ;)
I will be very surprised if Brighton manage to grab the last play-off spot now. Therefore, IMO, all that is to be decided is which team will join Swansea as automatic promotees (hopefully us if we get our points back. I couldn't give a stuff about who wins the title).
The fact that the arbitration panel could take up until to May 1st to reveal their ruling is bonkers. Whilst I am obviously hoping for a postive outcome, I can see all the negative impact this is having all the clubs at the top end of the table. If, for example, we were to be given our points back today, then barring a massive mathematical turnaround we would be already promoted along with Swansea. In that case Carlisle, Doncaster, Forest and Southend would possibly choose to rest players in advance of the play-offs. At the moment though, because no-one knows what is going on, they can't. Hopefully the 1st May date is simply to give the arbitration panel plenty of leeway and we end up getting the result very much sooner.
Well done to the Football League!! :cuckoo:
TimLeeds
29-04-2008, 17:57
Sky have just announced that we will find out about the points at 5pm on Thursday 1st May. So much for my hope that they might reach a decision sooner rather than later.
I suppose I can at least get on with some work tomorrow instead of hitting refresh on the Leeds & BBC web sites every 5 minutes. :doh:
Somehow I can't see that being the end or it no matter if the decision goes for or against Leeds...
TimLeeds
29-04-2008, 18:43
Somehow I can't see that being the end or it no matter if the decision goes for or against Leeds...
It's sad but you're probably right. Whilst I acknowledge what a pigs ear this whole situation is, it makes me chuckle that Doncaster's Chairman has theatened legal action if the points are returned. Why? We have earned them fairly and squarely on the pitch. They are not "extra" points.
If KPMG/Bates are deemed to have done something wrong then tell us. I for one have said before that, if we receive an explanation as to exactly why this penalty was imposed and confirmation that the FL will apply it to all other clubs, I will not mention it again. Whether Bates feels the same if it goes against Leeds is another matter! IMO this whole mess has been exacerbated by both Mawhinny and Bates (and neither one wants to give in). Mawhinny didn't like: a) the fact that Leeds went into administration when we were all but relegated and b) the fact that Bates was trying to get a CVA on the cheap (1p in the pound) which may be why the FL voted against it.
However, judging us on the evidence that has been reported so far, I feel that the FL have seemingly penalised us for "breaking" a rule which didn't actually exist. At the time their rules simply stated that their "preferred" way for a team to exit administration was via a CVA. To then bring in a new penalty because we were unable to get a CVA and then impose this penalty after the event is plainly wrong. After all, when Leicester started all this administration hoo-ha they weren't deducted 10 points as it was, quite rightly, improper to apply a new rule retrospectively. Furthermore, as I said in the League One thread, the FL should also have returned the points pending the resolution of our appeal and then we would have been the only team that could have been adversely affected by this arbitration.
I still wouldn't be surprised to see a fudge decision (along the lines of the Sheff Utd/Tevez saga) whereby the arbitration panel state that we have not broken any rules but that it is also impossible to change things so late in the season. Obviously, I hope I'm wrong!!
AndyWilson
29-04-2008, 19:30
At least now we're guaranteed 6th place no teams can be "dropped out" of the playoffs as a result of any points un-deducted, and only one team could drop from automatic promotion to playoffs, making any other legal action less likely...
...but I'm a bit worried about my personal safety as there's a little gang of Forest supporters in the office!
TimLeeds
30-04-2008, 13:08
...but I'm a bit worried about my personal safety as there's a little gang of Forest supporters in the office!
If we did get them back think of all the bragging rights you'd have. ;)
Actually, I'd like to see Forest go up (but obviously not at our expense). Apparently they voted against the 15 points and have kept a dignified silence over the appeal issue while others haven't.
I predict this thread will gt very busy in about an hour
the thing with no name
01-05-2008, 15:22
:lol:
you reckon?
I do believe that it was all a bit unfair, but i also can't see how they can change things points-wise that radically so late in the day.
I'd be gutted if Forest lose an auto-promotion spot because a tribunal give the points back.
But then from Leeds's perspective i can imagine how aggrieved they must feel to start off with.
The FA's timing of this or whoever's is abysmal
simonmac
01-05-2008, 15:28
Ah but could you live with the "you only got promoted because Leeds got docked points" tag?
the thing with no name
01-05-2008, 15:34
Ah but could you live with the "you only got promoted because Leeds got docked points" tag?
errrm, yep :thumbs:
the thing with no name
01-05-2008, 15:37
lets wait and see what happens at the weekend anyway, Forest need a bit of help from Cheltenham, never mind the arbitration panel :lol:
simonmac
01-05-2008, 15:56
errrm, yep :thumbs:
:lol:
simonmac
01-05-2008, 15:57
Decision is out, they've got the points back!
the thing with no name
01-05-2008, 16:00
serious?
simonmac
01-05-2008, 16:03
No :lol:
Its been rejected
http://www.leedsunited.com/page/NewsroomDetail/0,,10273~1303526,00.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/leeds_united/7375942.stm
Leeds United have failed in their bid to claim back the 15 points they were deducted by the Football League.
justice done at last.
why is it justice. As has been explained in deatils the punishment was unfair and will have long term implications of other clubs.
TimLeeds
01-05-2008, 17:19
justice done at last.
In what way? I will be interested to read the panels full report. Especially since the panel have criticised the league's insolvency policy and accepted the fact that the other clubs had a vested interest in penalising Leeds. That said, I always felt that nothing would change at this late stage in the season. It seems the main reasons that the penalty stands are 1) We signed a bit of paper; 2) We waited too long for our appeal to get to this stage and 3) it would be unfair to others to change things at this late date. There are NO allegations of illegality!!
Interesting report in the times.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/football_league/article3857354.ece
Whilst it would be easy to wish for other clubs to get treated in the same manner, I actually hope that the League change this rule and do not penalise Luton, Bournemouth and others with this further 15 points as this could destroy some clubs.
Anyway, who do we want in the play-offs? Whichever 4 teams finally end up in the play-offs it looks quite evenly balanced. Given Carlisle's recent form I suppose they are the team that most of the play-off teams would want to meet. Donny have been indifferent of late and both Forest and Southend are on a good run as are Leeds. Hopefully we can use any feeling of injustice to fire us through the play-offs.
Fat Bloke
01-05-2008, 18:09
:lol:
The club should have been wound up - they were lucky with 15 points. ;)
AndyWilson
01-05-2008, 18:40
Oh well, c'est la vie. Now we can make history by being the first club to get promotion after a points penalty...
Trying to work out the permutations now that could give a Leeds/Forest playoff final as I might be able to get tickets if I pretend to be a Forest Fan :)
Been an armchair Leeds supporter for 38 years and never seen them play yet!
The Bear
01-05-2008, 19:18
Wow, that's a long time to have never seen your team.
Fat Bloke
01-05-2008, 19:23
Here's the full judgement. Seems pretty straight forward to me.
18 Page Judgement from the Football League (http://www.football-league.premiumtv.co.uk/staticFiles/4c/ec/0,,10794~126028,00.pdf)
AndyWilson
01-05-2008, 20:39
Wow, that's a long time to have never seen your team.
Geography, and not knowing any other Leeds fans before the internet!
Karma is a bitch, Forest who are one of the few teams to vote against Leed's 15 point penalty go up and Doncaster, the biggest wingers, get to join us in the playoff lottery. What a shame ;)
douglasb
07-05-2008, 11:35
http://i28.tinypic.com/28vztoz.gif
Dirty Leeds! :D
Up the Blues!
(Is this about as obscure as things get?)
Looks like the good old FL have put themselves in a bit of a corner regds clubs failing to agree a CVA. It's going to be interesting to see what happens to clubs like Bournemouth and you never know, our beloved LUAFC might even get a bit of sympathy if we're the only club EVER to be deducted 15 pts for this!
Quite confident about progressing to the final considering our own form and Carlisle's lack of it. Should be a full house on monday night, can't wait. :thumbs:
Alas, the only two finals I've ever seen them play in they've lost 3-0 and not turned up in either of them so I might be a bit more edgy if we make it to wembley.
TimLeeds
09-05-2008, 09:38
Looks like the good old FL have put themselves in a bit of a corner regds clubs failing to agree a CVA. It's going to be interesting to see what happens to clubs like Bournemouth
I'll be surprised if Luton and Bournemouth DO get a further 15 point deduction for the no CVA business (although Luton may get some penalty re: the "illegal" payments to agents saga).
Reading the arbitration report it seems that the FL are saying that clubs without a CVA are looked upon as "new" members of the FL and should therefore start in League 2. We wanted to avoid this further drop and stay in League 1. It is, apparently, for this reason that we accepted the 15 point penalty. Since Luton and Bournemouth are already in League 2 then they shouldn't get penalised further.... I think!! :?:
What I find frustrating is that the FL did not make this clear at the time. They could have avoided a lot of fuss and confusion if they had originally done so. Although whether or not the other clubs would have agreed to us being able to start in League 1 rather than League 2 is another matter.
and you never know, our beloved LUAFC might even get a bit of sympathy if we're the only club EVER to be deducted 15 pts for this!
I doubt we'll ever get any sympathy from others!! ;)
However, I really wouldn't be surprised if we are the only club to ever get hit with this penalty. The arbitration panel's report recommended that the FL consider changing their policy towards the whole administration process (which should encompass this "no cva/start in League 2 or minus 15 points" rule), which may be good news for others but is too late in the day for us.
Anyone know if Beckford will be fit for the play-offs?
thejetsons
09-05-2008, 18:41
I'll be surprised if Luton and Bournemouth DO get a further 15 point deduction for the no CVA business (although Luton may get some penalty re: the "illegal" payments to agents saga).
Reading the arbitration report it seems that the FL are saying that clubs without a CVA are looked upon as "new" members of the FL and should therefore start in League 2. We wanted to avoid this further drop and stay in League 1. It is, apparently, for this reason that we accepted the 15 point penalty. Since Luton and Bournemouth are already in League 2 then they shouldn't get penalised further.... I think!! :?:
What I find frustrating is that the FL did not make this clear at the time. They could have avoided a lot of fuss and confusion if they had originally done so. Although whether or not the other clubs would have agreed to us being able to start in League 1 rather than League 2 is another matter.
I doubt we'll ever get any sympathy from others!! ;)
However, I really wouldn't be surprised if we are the only club to ever get hit with this penalty. The arbitration panel's report recommended that the FL consider changing their policy towards the whole administration process (which should encompass this "no cva/start in League 2 or minus 15 points" rule), which may be good news for others but is too late in the day for us.
Anyone know if Beckford will be fit for the play-offs?
I'm pretty sure he's been training this week so he should be.
TimLeeds
10-05-2008, 07:30
I'm pretty sure he's been training this week so he should be.
That's good news. I think that Beckford and Freedman up front are a good partnership, especially at this level.
I hope that we can win comfortably but I have a feeling that this could come down to away goals. If we can keep a clean sheet at home then I fancy us to get an away goal in the 2nd leg.
Don't think away goals have counted in the Play Offs for a long time now.
Don't think away goals have counted in the Play Offs for a long time now.
You're correct. Extra time and penalties after the 2nd leg
http://www.football-league.premiumtv.co.uk/page/PlayOffsDetail/0,,10794~499254,00.html
Was relieved we got that late, late, goal tonight. Didn't think we deserved to lose 2-0 and I thought we'd played better than a lot of people on radio Leeds phone in were saying. Not fantastic but I've seen far worse this season! :eek:
All to play for on thursday and I do fancy our chances. Obviously it's going to be tough but if we can sneak the first goal it'll be an interesting night.
thejetsons
12-05-2008, 22:31
Just got back. I also thought we didn't play too badly. Their keeper played very well and I didn't think the referee was too good either.
Was great to get the goal though, gives us a good chance now. Going to be a nervous night on Thursday!
I went absolutely mental when we scored!
That late goal could turn out to be vital, where did the ref get those seven minutes from :suspect:
Haven't Carlisle got the best home record in the Football League, not that it counts for much in a one off game.
TimLeeds
13-05-2008, 08:53
I've got to echo some of the above comments. I thought Carlisle deserved the win but 2-0 would have flattered them. A couple of great saves from their keeper too. Thought Prutton had an off game. I lost count of the number of times he failed to find a team mate with his passes.
Despite the result, I thought it was an entertaining game with both teams going for the win.... hopefully the second leg will be the same (but this time with us coming out on top).
AndyWilson
13-05-2008, 09:03
Westwood was undoubtably man of the match - 2 amazing saves, and Carlisle definitely deserved the win.
There were a couple of dodgy decisions by the Ref - in particular the corner that lead to the opening goal, but on the other hand I was suprised Hughes didn't get a red card and the lenient approach to stoppage time definitely saved the day. Never have I cheered so much when a match is lost!
Thought Prutton had an off game. I lost count of the number of times he failed to find a team mate with his passes.
Prutton and League 1 playoffs = disaster see Forest v Yeovil last year. With a bit of help from Colin Calderwood he quite possibly cost us a trip to Cardiff.
douglasb
13-05-2008, 10:41
TBH, if Leeds come up and beat us it won't be a disaster. We showed we can be a very good team who were able to keep Leeds' attack at a fair distance, control the midfield for a long time and mix things up upfront. It was just the kind of game that you want to see as a fan of a 'smaller' club.
So, yeah, even if we get beat at home (by the odd goal or whatever anyway) I would be happy enough.
TimLeeds
13-05-2008, 11:04
TBH, if Leeds come up and beat us it won't be a disaster. We showed we can be a very good team who were able to keep Leeds' attack at a fair distance, control the midfield for a long time and mix things up upfront. It was just the kind of game that you want to see as a fan of a 'smaller' club.
So, yeah, even if we get beat at home (by the odd goal or whatever anyway) I would be happy enough.
You should be proud of your team. I thought they played some very good football. In fact, quite a few times during last nights game I was wondering just how in the heck Carlisle managed to blow automatic promotion. If they'd played like that during the run-in then they'd have been a cinch for 2nd spot.
I was also surprised that Carlisle sat back so much during the 2nd half which gave us the chance to build up some momentum. If you'd have carried on attacking you may well have got another goal and killed the tie off.
Prutton and League 1 playoffs = disaster see Forest v Yeovil last year. With a bit of help from Colin Calderwood he quite possibly cost us a trip to Cardiff.
I think a problem we have is that Douglas, Prutton, Howson, Kilkenny and Johnson (albeit he was at left back yesterday) all seem to want to play in the middle of the pitch rather than out wide and tend to drift inwards. Therefore we quite often seem to lack width.
Well done Leeds - Carlisle looked they hadn't recovered from the late goal on Monday
AndyWilson
15-05-2008, 20:38
My god - what a game!!!
Dancing round the living room here!!!!
BigJonnyB
15-05-2008, 20:41
that was worse than watching england at the end there...absolutely fantastic result :notworthy
I`ve had a dance in the living room too Mr Wilson.
Excellent stuff Leeds.
Dirty Leeds are coming back to the Championship then.
Well done I suppose from your friendly bluebirds rivals.
I only saw the first half but Leeds were pretty much the dominant side, it was almost as if it was a home game for them, Carlisle on the other hand were disappointing.
Welshlad
15-05-2008, 20:53
Yyyyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesssssssssssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mackam supa stars
15-05-2008, 20:56
Good game well done.
After dominating the game most of the second half I was expecting us to get nobbled on the break, but no !!!!!!!!!!
Was two for the price of one in the pub and boy did I need it, my nerves were in shreds once Howson had levelled the tie. :clap: Every time Carlisle had the ball near our goal I was a wreck!
Felt sorry for Carlisle's manager as he seems to be a decent bloke. Wasn't so sorry for the teenage "you know what" who was behind Carlisle's goal in the second half. Did any of you notice him on all the replays prior to the goal? Would've loved to have seen his face when Howson settled it. :p
Think i'd prefer Southend in the final if I had to choose.
I was sure yesterday evening when I got home that Leeds would make the final. Why? Because an email from Ticketmaster was sitting in my inbox (before the game kicked off!) with the following link
League One Play Off Final - Carlisle Fans Allocation
Wembley Stadium
Middlesex, UK
Sun, 25/05/08
On Sale Sat, 17/05/08
Quite why they're emailing that to a Crystal Palace fan from Croydon, I'm not sure, but sending an email to an event that isn't even decided is an absolute no-no as far as I'm concerned!
Well done for getting there (which we couldn't manage) and getting the Doog back to form for us. It's been a long time since he's looked as good as he has since he's been to Leeds. If it was up to the Palace fans we'll be having him back for next season, though.
And, if possible, can you mess up the final? The Championship will be tricky enough for us next season without a strong Leeds team to add to the mix!
TimLeeds
16-05-2008, 08:05
After dominating the game most of the second half I was expecting us to get nobbled on the break, but no !!!!!!!!!!
Me too. As much as Carlisle deserved the win on Monday we deserved it last night. Talk about a game of two halves. Our midfield, awful on Monday, were fabulous last night.
Think i'd prefer Southend in the final if I had to choose.
Agree, but only because, if we were to lose, then I'd rather it was to them than Doncaster.
Well done for getting there (which we couldn't manage) and getting the Doog back to form for us. It's been a long time since he's looked as good as he has since he's been to Leeds. If it was up to the Palace fans we'll be having him back for next season, though.
Given the comments he made about his family commitments when we got him on loan, I can't see him coming here permanently even if we do go up. It's understandable but a shame for us because he has certainly been the catalyst for our good form in the run-in.
And, if possible, can you mess up the final? The Championship will be tricky enough for us next season without a strong Leeds team to add to the mix!
We are quite capable of doing that!! :doh: As Sweevo said earlier, the last two finals we have been in we have performed abysmally. I still can't believe how bad we were when we lost to Villa 3-0 in the League Cup final, when a 16/17 year old Andy Gray was our best player by some distance, Savo "Miss-a-lot" Milosevic scored a belter for Villa after missing loads of chances all season and Big Fat Tom Brolin was our "supersub".
Anyone going to the play off final ? I'd love to go but based in South wales and a non member I don't think I'll get a sniff in the Leeds end.
Thought the midfield last night was amazing, Gary Mac has certainlt brought back some wonderful passion following Monday's nightmare.
thejetsons
16-05-2008, 21:59
Anyone going to the play off final ? I'd love to go but based in South wales and a non member I don't think I'll get a sniff in the Leeds end.
Thought the midfield last night was amazing, Gary Mac has certainlt brought back some wonderful passion following Monday's nightmare.
I'd like to go but again the chances of getting a ticket are pretty much impossible as I'm not a member and I can't really afford it.
Instead going to go into Leeds and watch it in a pub there.
Doncaster it is then.
TimLeeds
20-05-2008, 13:57
Some good news.......according to the web site Rui has signed a new 2 year deal. That gives us 3 solid central defenders for next season. We're still lacking on the full back front though even if we stay in League 1. If we go up we definitely need to strengthen.
Anyone think Sheehan will come back into the team for Sunday now he has served his ban? I thought Johnson was awful on the Monday night against Carlisle (so were a lot of our team to be fair) but picked up his game for the 2nd leg. However, IMO, the importance of the game means that we must have a specialised left back playing so I would bring Sheehan straight back in. The only other possible change may be to consider dropping Prutton to play Johnson in midfield.
unlucky Leeds :D
Well Done Donny.
Hope you enjoy another Season down in League 1.
Should walk it next season though.
Pretty dismal attacking threat from Leeds throughout - gutted for Gary Mac
In your face Harry Gration
Drysolder
25-05-2008, 16:38
Bad luck Leeds, felt sure after the cracking season you had you'd do it.
The points deduction comes back again.
Welshlad
25-05-2008, 16:54
Gutted.
No point dwelling on the 15pts now. We've had a helluva season (the "real" league table shows us as the second best team in the division) considering we lost our assistant mgr, manager and then had to adopt a new approach and style of play.
Im absolutely gutted right now but hope we can start next season like we started this.
I wonder if Andy Robinson will still come now?
GUTTED!
AndyWilson
25-05-2008, 17:14
Gutted - but can't argue that the best team won on the day.
Well done Donny.
gutted for Gary Mac
Sky showed an interview him prior to the match where he was talking about the possibility of getting Leeds back in The Premiership which I thought was jumping the gun a bit.
No point dwelling on the 15pts now.
I bet Ken bates will.
In your face Harry Gration
Look North will now probably show a 30 sec sports roundup instead of devoting the whole programme to the final. :lol:
I feel for the smaller clubs next season though as Leeds & Leicester SHOULD blitz League 1.
Drysolder
25-05-2008, 19:21
I bet Ken bates will.
Yeah, and laughable how Gary McAllister is also blaming the 15 points as some outside factor and 'handicap'.
Don't make yourself a martyr son, you brought that 'handicap' on yourselves.
Spooky_uk
25-05-2008, 20:59
congrats to Donny :thumbs:
TimLeeds
26-05-2008, 11:41
Well done to Donny. They started like a house on fire and, but for some great goalkeeping, could have been a couple up after 10 mins or so.
Whilst we dominated possession in the second half we never looked like doing anything with it and hardly tested Sullivan at all. Any shots we had on target were very tame efforts.
Like the rest of the Leeds fans I am disappointed but we should try and take encouragement from the fact that we were favourites to struggle at the start of the season and even hotly tipped to go down. The fact that we made the play-offs at all is one heck of an achievement, especially given all the backroom changes and -15 points hoo-hah. We gained 91 points on the field of play......if we score as many points next season we will go up automatically. So well done to the team.
Yeah, and laughable how Gary McAllister is also blaming the 15 points as some outside factor and 'handicap'.
Don't make yourself a martyr son, you brought that 'handicap' on yourselves.
I think you'll find it was HMRC which was responsible for it and Luton and Bournemouth might be in a similar position this summer as I believe they've rejected their CVA's too.
Shame an entire season's hard work falters on one game at Wembley but we'd all have taken that before a ball had been kicked in August. Will be interesting to see who comes in and who leaves this summer, we certainly need another couple of wide players like Robinson added to the squad along with an extra pair of full backs IMO.
I just hope the wheels don't come off post play-offs like they did the last time. :shrug:
Just wish the season would start next week so I can get yesterdays dissapointment out of my system. :oh-hum:
pompeyfan
26-05-2008, 15:25
I think you'll find it was HMRC which was responsible for it and Luton and Bournemouth might be in a similar position this summer as I believe they've rejected their CVA's too.
Wonder if the league would have brought in the extra 15 point penalty though if Leeds hadn't tried pulling a fast one by getting the 10 point deduction when it didn't matter anyway.
Wonder if the league would have brought in the extra 15 point penalty though if Leeds hadn't tried pulling a fast one by getting the 10 point deduction when it didn't matter anyway.
Boston United also pulled the same trick. Think they sent they're fax with 10 minutes of the season remaining or something like that! :nuts: Can't remember them being hit with the same penalty the following season can you?
It's obvious the 15 pts penalty was the only way the league could get at Ken Bates as nothing he'd done was "illegal".
Hopefully the horror story is now over and next season we can look forward to starting on a level playing field with no financial worries and no more hangers on milking the club dry while they make a killing with a nice salary elsewhere.
Boston United also pulled the same trick. Think they sent they're fax with 10 minutes of the season remaining or something like that! :nuts: Can't remember them being hit with the same penalty the following season can you?
Boston ended up in the league below the one they get relegated too, ending up in the conference north rather then the conference, so really they got a bigger penalty
Boston United also pulled the same trick. Think they sent they're fax with 10 minutes of the season remaining or something like that! :nuts: Can't remember them being hit with the same penalty the following season can you?
No, they got thrown out of the league (including the Conference) altogether and were demoted straight to the Conference North - so think yourselves lucky!
If I hadn't had that phone call I'd have posted that first!
This season had been good for nipping in at the last minute and taking the glory :p
TimLeeds
27-05-2008, 15:32
I completely agree with Sweevo's comment about us needing new full-backs. Frazer Richardson always works hard but his final delivery is absolutely awful. Bradley Johnson deputised well, but I don't think he is a full back by any means. On Saturday so many of Donny's attacks targeted that left back slot.
It could be an interesting transfer summer as Macca puts together his team. IMO, we are completely swamped with midfielders (most of whom want to play in the middle). Douglas, Prutton, Howson, Kilkenny, Johnson, Carole, Sweeney and Thompson (although I fully expect those last two to go).
Now that we have got Robinson from Swansea I assume he'll be one of Gary Mac's starters. I also believe that, whilst he can be inconsistent, Howson has to be kept in the side and encouraged to link up with the forwards. He is only 20 and should get better and better. That leaves two other places for the rest of our midfielders to fight over (unless, of course, we switch to a 3-5-2 formation).
Looking at our forward line up, sadly I don't think we'll get Freedman on a permanent deal. Much as would like him to stay, his family commitments mean he'll almost certainly stay down south. If we get a big offer for Beckford I'll happily chauffer him to his new club myself. When he can be bothered he is terrific but the second half of the season he has been poor and his body language has been terrible. Kandol couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo and he can go too. I guess Macca doesn't rate Elding as he never seems to be included in the squad. The same seems to apply with Constantine as he was sent out on loan and is apparently unrated. So that potentially leaves us needing several new strikers!
Will Bates get his chequebook out? With no debts, compensation for Wise/Poyet and an average attendance of 26.5k he must have made some money this year. He has already raised the price of season tickets and, now that we are still in League One for next season, it'll be interesting to see if our attendance holds up. One big plus point for me is that we can hope for some attractive football under Macca. Roll on next season!
TimLeeds
27-05-2008, 15:39
No, they got thrown out of the league (including the Conference) altogether and were demoted straight to the Conference North - so think yourselves lucky!
Absolute garbage. Get your facts right before posting.
Unlike us, Boston failed to pay their "football" debts in full which is why they got the "extra" demotion.
Absolute garbage. Get your facts right before posting.
Unlike us, Boston failed to pay their "football" debts in full which is why they got the "extra" demotion.
The response was to another Leeds fan who was suggesting that despite Boston pulling the same stunt as Leeds and going into administration to take the 10 point deduction once relegation was assured, they weren't as harshly punished. They were.
So it was alright for Leeds to pay off their football debts, it was just the other poor suckers who you owed millions to who it was alright to rip off?
Enjoy Hereford.
TimLeeds
27-05-2008, 16:20
The response was to another Leeds fan who was suggesting that despite Boston pulling the same stunt as Leeds and going into administration to take the 10 point deduction once relegation was assured, they weren't as harshly punished. They were.
And my response was more with your comment that we "should think ourselves lucky" with our punishment. We shouldn't. The circumstances were different. If we had failed to pay our "football" debts too then I have no doubt that we would also have got further punishment.
So it was alright for Leeds to pay off their football debts, it was just the other poor suckers who you owed millions to who it was alright to rip off?
It happens every day in business. If you read back through the thread you'll find that all Leeds fans, without fail, thinks that it sucks but it is not illegal. I have said several times before that the football league should ban all Chairmen responsible for mismanagement but they don't have the balls to do so. Would you be taking this line if Sheff Wed had lost to Leicester, subsequently been relegated and possibly gone into administration last month? Would you be happy to see a CVA agreed, with some people losing out, or would you be rather see the club fold because they cannot pay everybody?
Enjoy Hereford.
Actually I will do. Most of the opposition fans I have spoken to this season are far more knowledgable about their team and other football issues than the plastic fans you get in the premiership.
Enjoy another relegation battle next season!! I'm sure (I hope!) we'll see you the following season if you manage to stay up!! ;) :p
The response was to another Leeds fan who was suggesting that despite Boston pulling the same stunt as Leeds and going into administration to take the 10 point deduction once relegation was assured, they weren't as harshly punished. They were.
So it was alright for Leeds to pay off their football debts, it was just the other poor suckers who you owed millions to who it was alright to rip off?
Enjoy Hereford.
TBH I hadn't realised that had Boston recieved further punishment, probably too busy crying in my beer during the summer! However, as has already been stated the extra punishment was due to the club being unable to pay it's footballing creditors which is an entirely different situation to what Leeds found themselves in.
As I understand it, if you can't pay your footballing creditors then you won't get your golden share from the league and that means no league football, end of story.
It's a pity so many people were and have been quick to stick the boot in after the club hit (what I hope is!) rock bottom and also after losing sunday's final. I would've thought the players might have got some well deserved credit and praise for their exploits this season. If for nothing else, at least for being the VERY FIRST club not to be relegated following a large points deduction, never mind the fact they made it all the way to the play off final after starting a whopping 15 pts behind everyone else!
thejetsons
02-08-2008, 14:44
Last pre season game today at home against FCV Dender - It's live on LUTV, I'm sort of watching it. Not a bad game, we're 2-0 up after half a hour. Huntington and Marques scoring.
Pre season gone quite well, we haven't lost which is a good sign.
A few players have come in too:
Andy Robinson
Enoch Showumni
Robert Snodgrass
Luciano Becchio - looks to be very good - scored 22 goals in the spanish equivalent of League One last season.
Looking forward to the start of next season now! Just a week away!
How is Robinson doing for you?
Mr Majestik
02-08-2008, 20:31
How is Robinson doing for you?
So far, Very well. Although we've played some pretty poor teams this pre season. We won 4-1 today without breaking a sweat.
thejetsons
10-08-2008, 01:28
Good win to start of the season with today.
Snodgrass played really well apparently, as did Robinson and Showumni - who also scored along with Beckford.
Looking forward to going to Elland Road next week, I've missed it!
TimLeeds
27-08-2008, 09:20
It's quiet in here.
4-0, albeit against an admittedly below par Palace, is a great result. Given our inconsistent performances so far this season can anyone hazard a guess as to the starting 11 this weekend? IMO some of those who played last night would be unlucky to lose their starting places.
Despite me saying earlier in the thread that Howson is going to be inconsistent this season but nevertheless should remain in the team, he has got to be under pressure from either Kilkenny, Douglas or especially Delph (who always seems to come off the subs bench to replace Howson).
I'm wary of jinxing the kid but Delph really could be the business. Our midfield has looked coherent and composed in the couple of games he has started (admittedly one was against Chester). This Aidan White at left back doesn't look bad either (although at only 16 he is definitely one for the future). Hopefully we are once again in a position where we will be able to keep hold of our academy players and bring them through into the first team unlike the last few seasons where we have sold anyone that had any value.
thejetsons
20-09-2008, 22:29
Good start to the season for us. Third in the league at the moment, got Hartlepool in the third round of the carling cup on Tuesday and played well against Bradford a couple of weeks ago to progress in the johnstones paint trophy.
Beckford is scoring for fun at the moment! 11 goals in 9 games so far.
Becchio looks a good signing too.
Welshlad
22-09-2008, 08:07
Yep the team is going good-guns at the moment. Macca has us playing a quality of football not seen since (dare I say it) the early O’Leary days! Beckford is on fire (he’ll be off in January), Delph looks the business and even Douglas is performing admirably now. Briefly up to second on Saturday, but after a wobbly start we are looking very good right now. Lets hope we can keep it up!
Mr Majestik
22-09-2008, 11:58
best thing about this season is the quality of the kids coming through. Delph, Hewson and White are going to be outstanding players in the coming years. Just hope we go up the divisions with them.
TimLeeds
10-10-2008, 18:13
Anyone else seen this article in the YEP regarding us fans buying Thorp Arch and then letting the club buy it back over a 20 year period?
http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/leedsunited/Leeds-United-Fans39-plan-to.4579164.jp
If we can buy it back without having to sell players then that would be a bonus.
I like Bates' comments regarding him not getting involved........ I still reckon he already owns it through this Teak Trading business in the British Virgin Islands. If he does already own it then he'd not only get the money for the training ground now but could also sell the club without it being £6M in debt. :suspect: Or am I being unfair on the guy?
Thats the whole problem we dont know who owns what at Leeds and it would be insane
to get involved in anything Bates is approving irrespective of his own involvement. There is never any transparency with this bloke except his high ticket prices.
McAllister sacked:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/leeds_united/7794419.stm
McAllister sacked:
No surprise really, great players don't always make great managers.
Mr Majestik
21-12-2008, 11:27
The only thing i'm surprised about is how quickly he went.
He did get the team playing decent Football but he couldn't organize a defense to save his life. (or his job)
Welshlad
21-12-2008, 11:58
Well Im amazed, and gutted. Sure the team wasn't defending well, but wasn't that what Staunton was brought in for?
Big mistake IMO. Swansea showed last year that you can get out of this division and compete in the next by passing the ball. Back to the Dennis wise days of hoof-ball now I bet! :(
Greemie666
21-12-2008, 12:25
Leeds now on the same points as us, we'll go past you next week hopefully.
TimLeeds
21-12-2008, 15:37
Despite some strange decisions this season (such as persisting with Lucas in goal and Richardson as skipper), I'm sad to see him go and would have liked to see him get the chance to buy some new players (DEFENDERS!!) during the January transfer window.
Our defending has been shocking thoughout the season (not just in the last half a dozen games). We were fortunate that Beckford, Becchio, Robinson and Delph were scoring enough for us to pick up points. Now that those four are either injured, off form or not getting the help they need, our defence has been exposed for the crap it is. I've lost count how many goals we've conceded from corners/set pieces this season. How much of this was Macca and how much Staunton we just don't know but the buck has to stop with the manager.
I see that the bookies are making Poyet one of the favourites for the job. If so, I'll guess we'll find out how influential he was at the start of last season..... or not.
Supporting Leeds is anything but simple. Last month Bates announced that we had made a profit and we could be forgiven for thinking that we could finally start to look forward and now......... who knows what will happen next.:cuckoo:
Welshlad
21-12-2008, 16:04
Yep, lots of rumours about Poyet.....As much as I used to like him, I dont want him as our manager. He's unproven and disloyal, walking out at the first opportunity.
I'm surprised it's happened so quickly. Defensively though they have been woeful and so disorganised. Last week against Colchester particularly so. Hard to believe it's pretty much the same side that played Derby off the park just last month.
Mr Majestik
22-12-2008, 15:56
Looks like the new manager's going to be Simon 'Larry' Grayson. Blackpools manager.
He's done wonders at Blackpool on about £5.50 so he could be a very could apointment by Bates.
Mr Majestik
23-12-2008, 11:07
Larry Grayson now confirmed as our new manager.
Hopefully new manager effect will kick in in Friday.
TimLeeds
23-12-2008, 12:24
Looks like the new manager's going to be Simon 'Larry' Grayson. Blackpools manager.
He's done wonders at Blackpool on about £5.50 so he could be a very could apointment by Bates.
Got to say that I'm quite optimistic about this. I'm sorry for Blackpool fans as it is never nice when your manager jumps ship for another club (we've had Poyet and Wise ditch us in the last year or so). I hope Bates does the right thing and pays a fair compensation amount to Blackpool.
As Mr Majestik says, Grayson has done a cracking job on a small budget at Blackpool so hopefully he can get us moving upwards too.
Fat Bloke
23-12-2008, 15:32
Blackpool Club Statement (http://www.blackpoolfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10432~1497736,00.html)
TimLeeds
26-03-2009, 10:01
Fellow Leeds fans might enjoy this article from the Times online re: Leeds' Top 50 players.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/football_league/article5966594.ece
I've spoilered my comments for those who want to count down the list.
I was surprised to see Billy at number one instead of the big John Charles but, on reflection, whilst Charles might have been the better player I can't argue that Billy had a greater effect on Leeds. Don't agree with Hot Shot being number three though, despite all the goals he scored I'd have put Clarke and Giles (and one or two others) ahead of him
Great quote from Billy B though:
What is football about? "Days when you can cry your eyes out and walk on air," Bremner summarised. "There is nothing to compare."
Chris308
26-03-2009, 22:34
Excellent read bringing back lots of great memories of better times.
There are lots of great quotes in that but I particularly liked this bit about John Charles
Over a pint in Peter Lorimer's pub, John Charles once told me how he had signed for Juventus despite never having heard of them and how he saved Omar Sivori, the 1961 European Footballer of the Year, from a Mafia bullet. The Argentinian had been threatened with sudden death if he scored in a particular game. Almost inevitably, a ball ricocheted off the back of his head and into the goal. Charles and his team-mates formed a protective cortege around Sivori and shuffled down the tunnel. Charles then scored the winner, but it was disallowed. He asked the referee why. "Like Mr Sivori, I want to get home safely," he said.
Silent Voice
26-03-2009, 22:55
Leeds United have made a double swoop on loan deadline day with the capture of Reading defender Sam Sodje and Crystal Palace keeper Daryl Flahavan.
Another season in League One for Leeds
rustybin
14-05-2009, 21:39
Another season in League One for Leeds
Interesting how Silent Voice posts more about a Man Utd vs Wigan game than during the most important game of Leeds' season.
Speaks volumes.
saltysam
14-05-2009, 21:47
Interesting how Silent Voice posts more about a Man Utd vs Wigan game than during the most important game of Leeds' season.
Speaks volumes. Maybe he went to the game?
rustybin
14-05-2009, 21:55
Maybe he went to the game?
:thumbs:
All of them, since the 26th March?
Possibly!
Maybe he went to the game?
Unlikely as he was posting in the League 1 thread during the match.
Now a very silent voice :D
Fantastic atmosphere at the game last night and i thought we gave it everything but just came up short.
Good luck to Kenny Jackett i think he has done a great job at the Den given his resources.
Mr Majestik
15-05-2009, 10:08
Ho well. Another year being the big fish in a small muddy puddle.
Still if we can keep hold of Beckford and Snoodgrass. We should walk it next year with Grayson in charge.
douglasb
15-05-2009, 10:13
But it'll be like Match of the Day 1982: Leeds, Norwich, Southampton, Brighton, Charlton ...
Surely someone will come in for Beckford at least.
Mr Majestik
15-05-2009, 10:21
I'd be amazed if at least a few Championship teams don't come sniffing around for Beckford. Hopefully we can hold them off.
We'll properly cash in on Delph if the silly money offers are true though.
TimLeeds
15-05-2009, 10:39
Fantastic atmosphere at the game last night and i thought we gave it everything but just came up short.
Completely agree Cabor. It was good to see and hear the old place rocking again.
Good luck to Kenny Jackett i think he has done a great job at the Den given his resources.
Yep. They parked the bus in front of goal and did what they had to do. It wasn't pretty but it worked.
I always has a bad feeling about this game. For once, the ticketing system that the club put in place for the play-off final ticket applications worked so perfectly that we were bound to balls it up in the Semi-final. :doh:
Oh well, who do we want to stay/go during the summer?
I wonder if Beckford/Delph will stay another season in League One? I thought Delph's form tailed off quite a bit in the last half of the season, possibly not surprising given his age. Beckford still infuriates me. He goes missing in big games, his teamwork ethic is non-existant and yet he still got 30+ goals despite being injured or suspended for loads of games this season. Personally I'd get rid of Robinson, his form has been a shadow of that which he showed at Swansea....unfortunately his waistline hasn't been a shadow too! I'd love to see Sodje stay permanently if Reading don't want him but can we afford him? Although Douglas has done ok at right back I think we need a proper full back there. LB too. Parker did fantastically well in creating the goal last night but IMO he is not up to it. Aidan White will be a year older and hopefully he will be able to hold down this position.
I was one of those who wondered about the wisdom of getting rid of Gary Mac but Grayson deserves credit for getting the ship turned around. After Hereford I doubted if we would even make the play-offs. Hopefully we can carry on our good form from the last 10-15 games into next season.
Welshlad
15-05-2009, 11:46
The Delph situation is an interesting one. If he's going to be stuck out on the wing (where he clearly does not enjoy or thrive!) then IMO we may aswell cash in on him and let him flourish as a central midfielder in a higher division. Otherwise, I'd move him in the middle and build the midfield around him. The only problem is that Howson/Kilkenny has also worked well in the middle as a pairing.
Beckford is such a problem. 34 goals cannot be questioned and you have to wonder where we'd be without him getting us out of the mire on several occassions this season. However, he's also got an attitude problem and really offers little else to the team other than goals. I hope he stays and bangs in the same next year, but I wont be devastated if we get a real good pay-day for him.
As for Grayson, I was gutted when Gary Mac was sacked, but he's been outstanding since coming in. His signings have been pretty much perfect thus far (any bad ones?) and the prospect of a pre-season and a few new signings of his choosing is exciting. Maybe we can get a top-two spot as I'm sick of the damn play-offs! :(
Silent Voice
15-05-2009, 12:08
Now a very silent voice :D
You think so ? :D
Mr Majestik
15-05-2009, 12:16
As for Grayson, I was gutted when Gary Mac was sacked, but he's been outstanding since coming in. His signings have been pretty much perfect thus far (any bad ones?) :(
Liam Dickinson.
Can't complain about the rest though.
Yeah Dickinson is awful.
Great atmosphere inside Elland Road last night, though gutted how we went out (especially as if Beckford had scored that pen I'd have won some cash :( )
His attitude drives me nuts at times but you can't question his strike rate and it will be tricky to hold onto him and Delph.
AndyWilson
15-05-2009, 18:47
I'm convincing myself I'd rather be following Leeds fighting for promotion next season rather than a dull mid-table or worse, a relegation struggle in the Championship...
I know a few Forest fans who enjoyed last season much more than this one
Welshlad
15-05-2009, 19:20
Liam Dickinson.
Can't complain about the rest though.
Yeah, forgot about him. Although Grayson had him at Blackpool and he did well there. Also did well at Huddersfield, but has been dire for us! :shrug:
I've played 5 a side against Liam Dickinson when he used to have a normal 9-5 job
Welshlad
16-05-2009, 13:52
I've played 5 a side against Liam Dickinson when he used to have a normal 9-5 job
Was he crap then too?
Wasn't he non-professional like 3yrs ago or something?
I checked on here thursday night after I got back from the game but there hadn't been any posts for ages. Couldn't bring myself to post.
Would be nice to finish a season on a high, two relegations and three failures in the Play Offs in six seasons ! :brickwall
Will be interesting to see who leaves. On form, effort and performances I would think there'll be a lot of interest in Snodgrass, probably more than Beckford I reckon. For all his goals, Beckfords inability to hold the ball up for his team mates makes him a liability at the higher levels IMO. There's a lot of work needs doing on his overall play but given the choice i'd keep him as for all his drawbacks his goals at this level make him hard to replace.
I would imagine Delph is as good as gone. Another promising youngster leaving us before we've even seen half of his real potential. With the Thorp Arch buy back at £6M I do wonder how much of his fee will actually go back into the squad though.
For me we need two proven full backs (one oeach side), another center half (Sodje if we can persuade him!), a keeper (got little confidence in Casper) and possibly a left winger. Whether we could afford such an outlay is another story however. I think as "things stand" our midfield and attacking options are good but it remains to be seen who'll decide to leave for the lure of more money or playing at a higher level etc.
Next season can't come quick enough !
TimLeeds
16-10-2009, 17:24
Thought I'd blow the cobwebs off this thread.
Despite a great start to the season, I fear that our chairman is about to screw things up for us once again.
I've previously refrained from posting about the many "suspect" off the field matters surrounding the club but missing the buyback deadline for Thorp Arch is the straw that has broken the camels back. The spin coming out of the club just beggars belief.
How can he possibly blame the council when he waited until just a few weeks ago before involving them? We've only known about this deadline for 5 years!
When Bates arrived he proclaimed that if we fans wanted the club to eventually regain ownership of Elland Road and Thorp Arch then we would have to stomach high ticket prices and sales of players in order to get there. Well, we've done our bit but, perhaps not surprisingly, Bates has failed to live up to his side of the bargain.
Since administration we've received millions in compensation for Taiwo/Woods (Chelsea), Garbutt (Everton) and now Swan/Hutton (Man City). We've also been compensated for both Wise and Poyet and received significant fees from the sale of Delph and the sell-on clause from Milner. We've had average attendances of over 20k paying more for their tickets than many Premiership clubs. Just where has all that money gone? It's not on players because I can only think of Bromby that actually cost money. The rest of our signings have been free transfers or loanees.
Having libelled Melvyn Levy (a former board member) in the match programme he proceeded to run-up legal costs in the millions when he could have settled for just £15k. I'm sure that ultimately the costs will end up being paid by the club.
A number of us on here questioned the whole administration procedure back in 2007 and the ownership of the secretive Cayman Islands registered companies involved. It now looks like this will come back and bite Bates/Leeds in the backside. The Football League are now questioning exactly who owns the club. I'm sure the Inland Revenue will be taking a very close interest too. This own goal came about because Bates thought he was so much cleverer than everyone else. He sued a Jersey company for £200k and "lied in court" oops, I mean "mistakenly misled the court" about whether or not he actually owned the club. This case has yet to be adjudicated upon but I can guess who'll pick up the costs if we lose and it won't be Bates!
I have always accepted that Bates is only at Leeds to make money. However, I had hoped that a byproduct of him making money from the club would mean success on the pitch and promotion.
If anyone knows how we can get this crook out of our club without damaging the team can they please enlighten me!
Apologies for the long post but I am so angry with Bates that I thought it might be cathartic to type this out. Is there a smiley with steam coming out of its ears? This one, :mad: , doesn't do justice to my feelings.
The only thing Bates is interested in is himself, wasn't he quoted as saying he hasn't spent any of his own cash yet ?
The funds have got to be there to purchase Thorp Arch outright with all the income you have mentioned and with Leigh Bromby coming in as the only cash purchase this season where's the money ?
I dont believe a word coming out of ER or Carter regarding Thorp Arch, how on earth can running out of time be an excuse.
Have to be worried about the ever stretching injury list anyone know if Snodgrass and Becchio wil make the Norwich game ?
Becchio definitely out, Snodgrass doubtful.
I`m still waiting for the interview with Fergie..........what`s that.......he won`t do one. Such a bad loser!
Well played Leeds.
saltysam
03-01-2010, 14:21
Congratulations,great result.stunning in fact.
sleep4ever
03-01-2010, 14:23
Congratulations Leeds, great performance
horseflesh
03-01-2010, 14:27
There's a Leeds thread??? :thinking:
:D
Well done today, great "classic" Cup result.
davecarter
03-01-2010, 14:29
Well done Leeds great performance
Im a Spurs fan but its always funny to see Man get knocked out especially by one of their fiercist rivals
Mr Majestik
03-01-2010, 14:30
There's a Leeds thread??? :thinking:
It got to depressing to post in so didn't get much use.
It`s nice to think that this result will never be reversed(Man Utd in div 1 beating Leeds Utd at home in the Premiership)and this is the ultimate in "bragging rites". Even better than Leeds winning the title when Man Utd got relegated.
brendonw
03-01-2010, 15:25
Well done Leeds.
Good performance, if a little desperate at times defensively.
I had a feeling today about them, raked in 100 from the bookies too :D
Lets hope you go all the way to the semis and it affects your league performance ;)
Lets hope you go all the way to the semis and it affects your league performance ;)
Remove the eye from your username it pretty much sums you up ;)
Nice to know it gets under your skin that much this result ;)
What the hell is your problem? It's just a little joke. I don't think we have a hope in hell of overtaking you in the league but we can dream can't we?
Ah **** it. I'm done with the football forum.
Oh and by the way - I would much rather you had won than Manu.
Remove the eye from your username it pretty much sums you up ;)
Any more of that and you will not be using this part of the forums anymore. It is blatantly obvious that the remark was a joke, if you can't see that then perhaps this forum isn't for you.
Sorry *******. It was meant as a joke in reply to your tongue-in-cheek post, hence the 2 wink smileys. Dont ban him on my account Alan.
It wasn't him (this time) that I was going to ban :D
Oops, sorry. My mistake and as you said I meant no malice. As you might imagine I have had quite a bit to drink this afternoon and will stop posting now before I get myself in any more trouble. Once again I apologise to *******.
I`ll be in enough trouble tomorrow as I have to travel to London with my boss who is a Man Utd fan and am meeting up with a site full of Spurs fans.
Welshlad
03-01-2010, 19:08
Spurs away then after that fantastic performance today. Who knows?
Still, the FA cup is nothing more than a money-raising game for us this season. The League remains a much bigger priority....
Ah **** it. I'm done with the football forum.
There is a football forum?
AndyWilson
03-01-2010, 19:53
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Now that is all sorted can we get back to the topic at end or shall I lock the thread ?
TimLeeds
03-01-2010, 21:45
There's a Leeds thread??? :thinking:
:D
Cheeky sod!! :p
Now that is all sorted can we get back to the topic at end or shall I lock the thread ?
Blimey Alan, don't do that! We Leeds fans have had precious little to cheer about these past few years. ;)
I just hope that we don't end doing what ******* was teasing us about and mess up in the league. As fantastic as today's result has been, IMO it'll count for nothing if we don't get promoted. That said, as well as Norwich, Charlton and Colchester are doing to keep up the pressure, it will be a monumental collapse if we blow it after this start. 56 points in 23 games is a fantastic achievement. The team and Grayson should be rightly proud of their performances this season. We just need to keep our squad together in this transfer window and we should be OK.
Well done Leeds great performance
Im a Spurs fan but its always funny to see Man get knocked out especially by one of their fiercist rivals
We're coming to get you ! :D
Went to OT today, not in my wildest dreams was I expecting anything other than defeat with honour. Even at HT, I thought sooner or later Rooney and Co would find a way through in the 2nd half. But NO ! :notworthy
Spurs away will probably be the end for us I think but today goes down as one of my all time favourite games (approaching 40, seen a lot!) especially considering where we are etc. Haven't stopped grinning all day and looking forward to seeing the highlights again at 23:15 on ITV. ;)
Great crowd too, just shows how big a clash this is when almost 75,000 turn up. Was a bit supprised as to how quiet that lot from over the penmines (and kent) were, kinda wonder if they thought they only had to turn up to roll us over?
I did have a bet at 1-0 to us but had Howson down to score it. Quite happy to trade in the 275 quid I would've picked up for todays win though. Happy days are here again. :thumbs:
Cheeky sod!! :p
Blimey Alan, don't do that! We Leeds fans have had precious little to cheer about these past few years. ;)
I just hope that we don't end doing what ******* was teasing us about and mess up in the league. As fantastic as today's result has been, IMO it'll count for nothing if we don't get promoted. That said, as well as Norwich, Charlton and Colchester are doing to keep up the pressure, it will be a monumental collapse if we blow it after this start. 56 points in 23 games is a fantastic achievement. The team and Grayson should be rightly proud of their performances this season. We just need to keep our squad together in this transfer window and we should be OK.
I'm gonna make one thing clear (yeah I said I wouldn't post but I wanted to say this in case my comment was misconstrued). I have no doubt at all that you will get promoted and I am sure it will be as champions. IMHO the best teams in league one are you, Norwich, Charlton, Colchester, and Southampton based on recent form.
I wasn't really teasing you - because I am sure you will do it. Mind you, you do need to keep hold of Beckford. I can't wait for you guys to come down to Carrow Road - if it's half the game the one at Elland Road was it will be a treat.
davecarter
04-01-2010, 19:26
;)We're coming to get you ! :D
Went to OT today, not in my wildest dreams was I expecting anything other than defeat with honour. Even at HT, I thought sooner or later Rooney and Co would find a way through in the 2nd half. But NO ! :notworthy
Spurs away will probably be the end for us I think but today goes down as one of my all time favourite games (approaching 40, seen a lot!) especially considering where we are etc. Haven't stopped grinning all day and looking forward to seeing the highlights again at 23:15 on ITV. ;)
Great crowd too, just shows how big a clash this is when almost 75,000 turn up. Was a bit supprised as to how quiet that lot from over the penmines (and kent) were, kinda wonder if they thought they only had to turn up to roll us over?
I did have a bet at 1-0 to us but had Howson down to score it. Quite happy to trade in the 275 quid I would've picked up for todays win though. Happy days are here again. :thumbs:
Im looking forward to it it should be a cracking tie.
Im sure we will give Leeds more of a game than Man U did but we will have to play our strongest side.
Do you think Beckford will still be at Leeds by the time this game is played (not that Im worried or anything ;)
Unless someone comes in with £3m-£4m I think he will be here until the end of the season.
Mr Majestik
05-01-2010, 10:23
Beckford will still be here.
Apparently Newcastle will only go up to £1.5m for him. There the only club it would be worth his while going to.
Where's Silent Voice in this thread?
midknight
05-01-2010, 11:35
Just wanted to say well done leeds for sundays win good match great result
Now if you beat spurs then id be one happy boy
Where's Silent Voice in this thread?
On a permanent holiday like a few others.
TimLeeds
05-01-2010, 20:31
I'm gonna make one thing clear (yeah I said I wouldn't post but I wanted to say this in case my comment was misconstrued). I have no doubt at all that you will get promoted and I am sure it will be as champions. IMHO the best teams in league one are you, Norwich, Charlton, Colchester, and Southampton based on recent form.
I wasn't really teasing you - because I am sure you will do it. Mind you, you do need to keep hold of Beckford. I can't wait for you guys to come down to Carrow Road - if it's half the game the one at Elland Road was it will be a treat.
Its OK *******, I certainly didn't take umbrage with your original comment and realised you were only joking. I meant you were teasing us in a fun way.
Personally I think Norwich will pip Charlton for automatic promotion. I pity any team that ends up in the playoffs this season because it really will be a lottery. This is a ridiculously strong League One this season. Besides the teams you have mentioned both MK Dons and Millwall are capable of beating any other team on their day.
;)
Im looking forward to it it should be a cracking tie.
Im sure we will give Leeds more of a game than Man U did but we will have to play our strongest side.
Do you think Beckford will still be at Leeds by the time this game is played (not that Im worried or anything ;)
I think a lot will come down to how desperate Newcastle are to have Beckford now. In their position i'm not convinced they;d be prepared to stump up the 3M it's going to take to get Leeds to sell.
Personally I hope he sees out the season as he's lethal at "our level" and on top of our rock solid defence for me it pretty much guarantees promotion.
He's free to sign a pre-contract with any club now anyway so I don't think he'll be in any rush to sign for the first club that comes along. I'm sure his agent will have been busy weeks before the window opened, talking up signing on fees since he'd be a freebie.
I've got doubts as to whether he could cut it in the top flight, his first touch is poor and he seems unable to hold the ball up, often giving it away as soon as the thing has got to him. Other side of the coin is he's pacy and has a cracking eye for goal having scored some truly amazing goals for us in our division.
Whatever happens I don't begrudge him his big chance.
The Bear
05-01-2010, 21:51
You can only sign pre-contracts with clubs not in the same country, so unless he wants to up sticks to Scotland or Europe he won't be signing anything this window.
Beckford hands in transfer request...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/leeds_united/8444552.stm
Mr Majestik
06-01-2010, 17:33
That **** of an agent stirring again.
TimLeeds
06-01-2010, 20:34
The YEP says that we have just turned down a third bid from Newcastle of £1.5M. It also says that he would treble his wages at Newcastle. We owe 20% of any transfer fee to Wealdstone as part of a sell-on clause they negotiated with us when we bought him. Therefore this would leave us with £1.2M
http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/leedsunited/Leeds-United-Toon-in-39final39.5957403.jp
It's interesting that, according to the Leeds website, this request was put in on the 30th Dec.
http://www.leedsunited.com/news/beckford-hands-in-transfer-request-20100106_2247585_1925170
If the date on the Leeds website is accurate, and I can see no reason for it not to be, this would mean that he played in the Man Utd game even though he had already asked to go. There was nothing wrong with his attitude in that match so perhaps it might still be worth hanging on to him to help us get promotion. That said, the Man Utd game was a great opportunity for him to be in the shop window and attract other clubs, which might explain his good attitude. If we refuse to sell him will he remain focused for the bread and butter League One matches or not?
Personally, I feel that once a player asks to go then he should be shipped out as soon as possible. Being completely honest, as much as we all want a player to remain loyal to our team, if he can treble his wage at Newcastle good luck to the bloke.
To me it looks like the club are playing hard ball with Newcastle to prove to other clubs that they'll have to meet the 2M asking price if they want him.
His agent certainly isn't helping us by placing his transfer request in the public domain a week after it was submitted. Not many clubs hold onto players once the request has been put in for sure. No doubt his agent will be looking to make a nice wedge after sundays goal raised his clients profile somewhat!
Makes you wonder whether he'll play this saturday at ER if he's not left us by then. His popularity prior to sunday wasn't exactly high and his agent giving things a good stir again today won't exactly put him in a good light. :cuckoo:
If no club meets our evaluation will he sulk and spit the dummy out? From what I've seen on the pitch i'd say yes. Should it come to it, I do hope i'm wrong
TimLeeds
07-01-2010, 06:31
Makes you wonder whether he'll play this saturday at ER if he's not left us by then. His popularity prior to sunday wasn't exactly high and his agent giving things a good stir again today won't exactly put him in a good light. :cuckoo:
I'll be amazed if he does play against Wycombe. The fans now know that he wants to go, whereas at Man Utd we didn't. His agent has obviously stirred things as there was a danger of us refusing to release him if no-one had known about the transfer request. Beckford and his agent know that this makes his position pretty much untenable. As you say Sweevo, I too think he's more likely to sulk rather than play his heart out if we refuse to let him go.
I wonder who Grayson will be able to get as a replacement? Lee Barnard is in a similar contractual situation at Southend in that he has 6 months remaining. I've read that Millwall are after him. Perhaps we could sneak in with a bid. I love to see Hooper from Scunthorpe come in but IMO it would take a pretty big bid to get him and I can't see Bates coughing up the cash even if Scunny were willing to sell.
Mr Majestik
07-01-2010, 08:48
Well if he does want to leave. Sod off and go warm a bench some where and some one else can have your league one champion medal.
(I'd be amazed if the Wycombe goes ahead btw)
escape_adil5
07-01-2010, 10:01
Fair play to Beckford. Plenty of players sulk and whine about wanting to leave but never forfeit their cut of the transfer fee by handing in a transfer request. Beckford has done so and wants to play for a better club than Leeds to improve himself and get a bit more money. Nothing wrong with that in my book.
It's disappointing as a football fan - but it happens to every single club outside the big 4. My lot have definitely lost a few, and, there's some players I'm thinking off who never forfeited their cut of the transfer fee...
TBH if he goes i would wish him well he has been a great player for this club and if we cannot match others pay offers then so be it.
Whats more important is that we get in a replacement asap and keep our focus on the league.
TimLeeds
07-01-2010, 17:52
Latest odds from sky bet:
Next Permanent Forward to sign for Leeds - Win Specials
Hooper, G 2/1
Sharp, B 5/1
Barnard, L 8/1
Pericard, V 10/1
Jackson, S 10/1
Austin C 12/1
Garner, J 14/1
Bent, M 14/1
Healy, D 16/1
Brodie, R 20/1
Harewood, M 20/1
Boyd K 20/1
Vokes, S 20/1
McLean, A 20/1
Camara, H 25/1
Stead, J 25/1
Eastwood, F 25/1
Lambert, R 33/1
Holt, G 33/1
Le Fondre, A 33/1
Hughes, L 50/1
Some funny names on this list. Hope the bookies are right about Hooper being favourite!
AndyWilson
07-01-2010, 21:12
Healy, D ??
Grayson did say Beckford wouldn't leave unless a replacement had been lined up, so lets hope he's been true to his word.
Like a lot of people I have a massive dislike of Leeds, but it was good to see a fellow minnow go to Old Trafford and upset a Premiership big gun.
Must have been a great day out for all those who were lucky enough to get a ticket.
Mr Majestik
08-01-2010, 09:58
Newcastle have upped there bid to 2 million.
He's off then. Crazy money for a L1 player with 6 months left on his contract.
Looking like 3rd place and the play-offs again :suspect: :cry:
I see Beckford has withdrawn his transfer request then.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/leeds_united/8464263.stm
Was hoping he'd be sold by the time we play next week. Oh well.
Mr Majestik
17-01-2010, 14:54
Looking like 3rd place and the play-offs again :suspect: :cry:
Don't talk silly man.
You'll be fine. You and Norwich are by far the best teams in the division by a long long way. Top two for sure, just a case of in which order. 27th March will be massive.
Norwich my go top if they beat Brentford but wont you have two games in hand?
AndyWilson
17-01-2010, 18:20
I'm a natural pessimist...
I`m usually a pessimist when it comes to Leeds Utd but this season I`m confident of automatic promotion and still think it will be as champions with Norwich a very close 2nd. Glad too that Beckford will be with us for the rest of the season.
I think the Spurs game will be an interesting one now after our last 2 results.
TimLeeds
17-01-2010, 21:00
I'm glad the Beckford situation is resolved until the end of the season. It obviously unsettled the team and contributed to the last two below par performances (along with the bump down to earth after Old Trafford).
For anyone feeling a little twitchy, after we lost to Millwall we won our next 5 league games. Let's hope we can do the same again! It's a pity we've got cup games to distract us. Personally I'd rather we were playing League games instead.
Even though Beckford is staying, I'd still like us to go after Hooper or Sharp too...... we'd definitely go up then!
Can't see us getting the chequebook out for another striker until the summer when we know for sure where we are.. Would be nice to get Hooper or Sharp but I don't think anything like that will happen this season.
Do think we could do with a couple of players to freshen us up a bit as they have looked a bit jaded and bereft of ideas the last two games. Not convinced it's down to the Beckford situation, probably just a convenient excuse.
Glad Beckford is staying and hope we sign Gradel. I do wonder if we signed Gradel whether we could juggle the midfield a little and get Johnson through the middle. Still not convinced about Howson, still goes missing far too often for me.
I'm a bit suprised that after only our 2nd defeat of the season the gloom and doom merchants have us down for scraping into 2nd place for automatic promotion. Norwich have gone on one helluva run but it will come to an end and I think when it does we'll be a couple of points either side of them. Lets not get too pessimistic eh ? :lol:
douglasb
19-01-2010, 09:52
Don't imagine you will have any problems against Carlisle in the cup. We're not the team we've been over previous seasons, so I reckon maybe 3/4 - 1 in your favour.
It's a funny old game Saint ! :eek:
No doubt there'll be those even claiming we won't make the play offs after tonights defeat.
The pressure is certainly on now after Charlton's win put them and Norwich within 3 points of us. Long way to go, just hope we don't stuffed at the lane on saturday.
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