View Full Version : someone kill ridley scott...
what the EDITED does he think he is doing with blade runner.
EDITED the dir's cut the original release was the better version, why can't he just release both version's on dvd like the abyss. i would kill for the original release with a new and cleaned up picture and 5.1 sound.
what do you think?
splobber
18-01-2002, 14:41
Originally posted by homerj
what do you think?
I think you're going to end up banned if you carry on like that. And I strongly suggest you change the quote within your signature, as it alse breaches the T&C's.
Dan Druff
18-01-2002, 14:45
Er, I hope it has remastered sound and picture, the visible wires taken out, some dubbing fixed, Roy Batty's first scene in the telephone booth fixed (a reversed moment from when he's on the bed beside Tyrell near the end of the movie, looks very out of place), some flabs regarding incept dates fixed, the documentary 'The Edge of Blade Runner' and loads of deleted scenes including Holden in the hospital etc. Perhaps a commentary from Scott, Rutger, Daryl, Olmos, Syd Mead, Hampton Fancher, David Snyder, Douglas Trumbull and Paul M . Sammon, author of Future Noir - The Making of Blade Runner (doubt if Harrison would get involved as he dislikes the movie).
Yes, those would do me.
I don't think there's anything wrong with directors revising their works - after all, no one complains when a composer revises a work or an author his book... as long as it is not done as some blatant attempt to milk the market for all it's worth (you know who I mean).
On the other hand, it can be annoying if your beloved "original" gets changed. The answer is simple, of course, which is to do what Crowe did with Almost famous and release both versions on the same disk set... be nice if that happened with BR, eh?
I'd definitely like the original version on the disk, it always struck me as really novel that you had an old fashioned detective story with a philip marlow voice over, set in the future. I'm sure it won't be included which is cack.
speaking of blatant rip-offs, aren't they releasing die hard again?
Of course the existing 'directors cut' isnt actually a directors cut as Ridley Scott had very little to do with the re-editing. The original version of the film was not the edit that Ridley Scott wanted to release either, but was an edit that he was pressured into releasing by the studio.
The closest to his original 'vision' was a working print that was lost. This print has recently been rediscovered in a studio archive - hence the reason why hes finally getting around to releasing his own directors cut.
Theres qutie a good book discussing all of the problems on and after the Blade Runner shoot by Paul Sammons.
Anybody know if Harrison Ford is likely to contribute to the commentary ;)
Scott
Chyna Tsui
18-01-2002, 17:34
Originally posted by SShaw
Theres qutie a good book discussing all of the problems on and after the Blade Runner shoot by Paul Sammons.
Scott
Is this book still widely available?
[Stepping out of the shadows]
Try:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0752807404/redirect-home?tag=thedvdforums-21
Niall
Cornelius
18-01-2002, 19:51
Didn't they add the original 'philip marlow' voice-over because the studio were afraid that no one would understand what the film was about?
I preferred the revised version which I thought was much more atmospheric especially with that brilliant Vangelis score.
I think we should be allowed to choose as many will have already done so on VHS.
Having watched the original countless times in the 80's: taped from TV initially I have never been able to adjust to the Director's Cut, the VO, for me has just become too much a part of the film - having said that I still own the DC DVD.
It seems odd that the release that stood for ten years has not been given a DVD release.
Roy Batty
18-01-2002, 23:27
I'm a sucker for ANYTHING Blade Runner-related, and if they were to release three different versions now on DVD -the original, the "director's cut" and a new, real director's cut- I would simply buy the three of them, even if they were released separately!:nuts:
I'm always supportive of creator's authority over their creations, so I'm all for that new, definitive cut that Ridley Scott is apparently working on for DVD. From reading the FUTURE NOIR book on the making of the movie, it's pretty clear that Mr. Scott has not had free reign yet on either of the two previous versions released up to date.
But having said this, I'm also a purist when it comes to "originals", be it films, books or whatever, not to mention the strong "nostalgia-factor" involved here. And what the heck, I DID like the Deckard voice-over, even knowing that it was there only to please producers!
I don't mind film directors "retooling" their old films to better suit their intended vision –specially when the circumstances involved censorship of any kind– as long as the original version is made available also, for purists and film scholars.
On the other hand, the infamous George Lucas' warping of his galactic saga just to make it politically correct and devoid of any moral conflict simply makes me sick. But again, if the original versions were still available, instead of erased from the face of the Earth in an outrageous attempt to rewrite the past, I wouldn't have that much of a problem with it.
So, in closing, bring on those Blade Runner multiple versions, be it three or three hundred, but please, make the ORIGINAL one of them!
Just remember, Warner (is Warner, isn't it?), I'll buy them all!
:D
I would just like to say three cheers to Ridley. He's in the top 3 directors in the world at present and he gives sooo much to the DVD's format. i think this guy is the best. we owe him so much
NexusSheep
19-01-2002, 09:00
I think Ridley Scott produces some of the best commentaries out there. And I will probably buy any and every version of BR when it's re-released.
So don't kill him. Please.
It's his movie, so he can do what he bleedin well wants with it. I can't really think of one movie off the top of my head that I'd be bothered about if the director went back and changed the story radically. Star Wars nuts are the classic example of an insane minority who insist on berating George Lucas because he altered his movie. If he wants to recut the movie again, so be it. I'll watch it and view the movie for what it is, a piece of entertainment.
Some people get far too anal about two hours of celluloid they had nothing to do with making.
I still stand by my (and other's) point that we should be given the opportunity to own the film in whatever version, in the format of our choice... Many people own the original on VHS so why not release it on DVD.... it's gonna sell anyway.
As far as I am concerned RS can do whatever he likes to the film and I'll still buy it! But I'm not going to change my opinion on the original and if I can own in in my preferred format then that's great.
Suppose I am anal, but hey, I'm not alone :)
I don't disagree we shouldn't have the opportunity to buy whatever version(s) take our fancy of a movie, and with the advent of DVD and seamless branching, there really isn't any excuse not to put them on a disc (but not at the expense of audio or video quality). I'm sure Bladerunner will be a 2-disc set, but doubt we'll get more than one version of the movie.
Yep - the point of DVD (other than quality and shelfspace:-) is the freedom of choice (language, angles, etc) so let's have a 2 (or even three disc) version we are ALL happy with.
MikeToone
20-01-2002, 12:29
Originally posted by NexusSheep
I think Ridley Scott produces some of the best commentaries out there. And I will probably buy any and every version of BR when it's re-released.
So don't kill him. Please.
Have to agree entirely, cannot understand why he get's attacked so much, I have liked a lot of his work and as already mentioned his commentaries are always informative, even on the deleted scenes.
Foxy Slamdangle
20-01-2002, 15:31
Ridley's directorial talent isn't in question, the only problem is his script quality control. He almost made a half-decent film out of a shoddy "Hannibal" source text.
Leave the guy alone.
ethanfox
21-01-2002, 01:25
Someone should make Scidley Rott stop, simply because he is rubbish.
He is everything wrong with film directors from commercial backgrounds. All style, no content.
Two decent films in nearly thirty years just doesn't cut it.
And your post (ethanfox) has no style, and more importantly, zero real content!
To say he's made only two decent films in thirty years is bull. You don't even bother to name the films you consider decent!
Hows about:
Black Hawk down
Hannibal (considering the difficulties with the source material)
Gladiator
Thelma & Louise
Black Rain
Bladerunner
Alien
Come back with something real to say next time and I may give your views some level of credibility. :rolleyes:
Be fair!
No missing out GI Jane :)
Originally posted by Goragio
Be fair!
No missing out GI Jane :)
Well I haven't seen it, so didn't feel able to comment. ;)
ethanfox
21-01-2002, 17:20
Originally posted by cervaro
And your post (ethanfox) has no style, and more importantly, zero real content!
Ooh hark at madam!
It's not like I insulted you mother!
FOR ME, granted that Bladerunner is pretty and Alien scary but from then on - the man has a heavy hand to EVERYTHING he has done. He knows subtlety like Micheal Bay knows how to hold a shot for more than three seconds.
BHD - I wont see for the above reasons.
Gladiator - cold, unemotional and again subtle as a brick in the face. Sure it looked pretty, but I see that as much to the credit of the production designers and the DofP.
Hannibal - SO bad, good/bad source material or not.
Thelma - Just didn't care about anyone in it. (His fault)
Black Rain - Could've been good, but again, so uninvolving.
it doesn't help that I don't like Hans Zimmer very much either.
I do paint Rodley Skit with a broad stroke post Bladerunner and simple because he doesn't deal well with characters and for me, that is what storytelling is about.
If you choose otherwise, so be it...
Originally posted by ethanfox
If you choose otherwise, so be it...
I do, and not just because Ridley comes from the same small town as myself (and Eric Idle so I found out this morning). I'll just assume the smog and sound of the cathedral bells got to your head then. ;)
ian_davies
21-01-2002, 19:12
Ridley Scott is one my top 5 favourite directors, along with David Fincher, Kevin Smith, Takeshi Kitano and John Lasseter, simply because they haven't made a movie yet that I haven't liked. Ridley Scott as far as I'm concerned is a master, and one of the best British directors working today.
NexusSheep
21-01-2002, 20:28
I can only assume that the reason this thread has received so many views, is the fact that people misread the thread title as "someone killed ridley scott..." Now that would be news indeed!
Completely off-topic, I know, but I couldn't resist. I'm so weak.... ;)
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