high end D-SLR advice pretty please.

[F-F-F]

Hi guys - after some advice please on my next camera upgrade. :thumbs:

looking pretty high end D-SLR - probably canon as its what i'm used to

was looking at either an EOS5D with 24-105L , DIGIC II Processor

or possibly a stretch to the EOS 1D mk3, DIGIC III processor

the EOS 5D is a more comfortably purchase and is a full frame processor and still bloomin good, and the 1D would be more of an ego purchase,

having said that the 1D is better specced but really unsure as i've not really looked at this end of the market before, so anyone that has used either (or both)

any advice would be really greatfully received.

Ta

[RobDickinson]

Depends what you shoot.

Weddings = 5D
Sport = 1Dmk3

5D doesnt shoot fast or focus fast compared to the 1Dmk3 it does offer better DOF control and image quality and ISO performance are great.

1dMk3 is geared up as a performance shooter for pro's - so if you need 10fps or close get it.

[F-F-F]

so if most of my photography isnt likely to be high action then the 5D would likely be a better camera for me?

or even if i was shooting sport but wasnt likely to need more than 3fps then the 5D would probably better suit my needs?

[chrisns]

Perhaps getting both would neatly cover both bases and provide decent backups for each other?

[F-F-F]

i'm splurging but cant afford to have £2k+ of camera as backup.

[RobDickinson]

If your a pro or sport is all or most of what you shoot get the 1dMk3 elsde get the 5D and spunk on glass.

uh that came out wrong....

[mnementh]

...spunk on glass.

uh that came out wrong....

I'll bet theres a flickr group for it though :gag:

[F-F-F]

so presumably i could also (if buying the Kit with the 17-40L lens) also get the rebates on the body and lens that canon are offering at the moment?

makes it damn tempting, and thinking i've agreed that go for the 5D and splash on glass.

[mnementh]

Think you had to buy before the end of june to get the rebate

http://canonlensacc2007.onlinerebates.com/howtoclaim.aspx

[F-F-F]

oh well, never mind (probably buy it anyway)

£1800 with the 17-40L it means its beans on toast for the next six months, but hey were supposed to suffer for art.

other question is that I always found the 300D small and needed the battery grip am i going to feel the same about the 5D?

[tredders]

The question is, what do you shoot? Or what are you planning on shooting?

If it's action / sport, the 1D would be the better option. However, don't be fooled into thinking it's a one trick pony - I've shot plenty of weddings (including Winchester Cathedral) with my 1D mk II. I've also shot 50ft posters and a load of portraits with the same camera.

The 5D is a great camera, but it's a consumer camera, not a pro camera. What I mean is the 1 series cameras are built like tanks, weather proofed and will stand up to knocks and bumps much better than regular cameras.

Also, bare in mind the multiplication factor of the 1D. a 50mm lens will actually be 65mm, whereas on the 5D, it'll be a true 50mm lens.

With the release of the 1D mk III, you can find a good price on a 1D mk II.... leaves more money to buy glass.

Mark.

[RobDickinson]

But for image quality and ISO performance the 5D is better than the 1dmk2 isnt it?

Also why the talk of 17-40 now instead of the 24-105?

5D is chunkier than the 350/30d stuff - its also quirky from what I read (i.e. not super user friendly). Then again the 1dMk3 has a whole lot of options that can cause you grief (see the AF 'issues' and talk).

[F-F-F]

oops meant 24-105 was being stoopid.

will probably go for the 5D as i still wont get a 1D of any model down at that price

[rick67]

Can I be brutal? It doesn't sound as if you need a 5D or a 1D. It sounds like a Pentax K10D, Canon 30D, Nikon D80/200 would all be more than good enough.

Why have you decided you need to spend so much?

[Sprout Crumble]

Depends what you shoot.

Weddings = 5D
Sport = 1Dmk3

5D doesnt shoot fast or focus fast compared to the 1Dmk3 it does offer better DOF control and image quality and ISO performance are great.


No it doesn't. The 1d3 has better high-ISO performance than the 5D and fractionally better image quality all round. Theres also bugger all DOF difference between FF and APS-H sensor formats.

There is absolutely no situation the 1d3 isn't superior to the 5D.

Its about how much of the extra features of the 1d3 can be justified with the increased cost. For FFF the increased cost clearly isn't justified as the 5D is a great camera in its own right.

[RobDickinson]

I think its an upgrade from a smaller canon dSLR...

If I had the spare cash I'd be buying a 5D and 24-105L too :D (only downside to the 24-105 is I'm not convinced by its bokeh).

If I had more money I'd get the 1dMk3 as I do shoot sports sometimes.

[RobDickinson]

Sprout Crumble - I meant 1dmk2 sorry.

[F-F-F]

to be honest, its probably a certain degree of overkill the logical next step up would be to the 30D,
not sure why i've decided to spend so much, got some bonus coming from work and I wanted a 'better' camera than my 300D (which is a bit iffy since i fell on it when i broke my ;eg/ankle) which i used a lot.
Its enough to cover a top end camera so could spend less and but an intermediate camera and then possibly decide I should have gone the whole hog.

[RobDickinson]

I say go for it if you have the cash - dont put yourself in debt for it.

I'd prolly just wast the money if I didnt spend it on hookers and drink. uh I mean camera gear.

5D and the 24-104L is a great combination - what lenses you have for the 300d?

BTW the pure performance of a modern dSLR over the 300d will shock you.

[Sprout Crumble]

Wait a month or so and see what the August 20th announcement brings. A 40D is strongly rumoured.

Rob, fair does mate. I'd still have a 1d2 over a 5d any day though. There's little discernible image quality difference but the 1d will capture images the 5d would miss.

[rick67]

not sure why i've decided to spend so much, got some bonus coming from work and I wanted a 'better' camera than my 300D

I honestly think the 5D and 1D are massive overkill for your needs. All of the cameras I mentioned are much better than the 300 and about a 1/3 to 1/2 the price
of the 5D.

I strongly suggest you go into a camera shop and try them out for yourself. I think you'll be surprised how good the Pentax K10D and Nikon D200 in particular feel. They're in no way shoddy next to a 5D.

Either of these would leave you a lot more money for lenses.

[Sam]

If he was to switch to Nikon or Pentax he'd have to change all his glass as well which could get expensive depending on what he currently owns.

[Radiohead]

It's no way as simple as saying 5D = weddings.

The 5D is a lovely camera with superb IQ. The body is fine for most people, most of the time. The likes of Joe Buissink shoot with them, which says a lot about what they can do.

The 1D3 looks stunning and I'm far from convinced that the AF issues aren't users not used to the new AF system. If money was no object then it's the 1D3 - but please don't get one and become like many of the owners over at DPR who take a shot of a duck and that's about it.

Coming from a 300D either will blow you away, but £3k for a body is an awful lot.

[Sprout Crumble]

Could get a 5D and some bloody nice glass for 3 grand.

[Radiohead]

Big time.

[F-F-F]

gone for the 5D and the kit lens (24-105L) yes its overkill but i've spent a number of years both with a pentax film SLR and a 300D (Rebel) and yes the next logical step would be a 30D/40D however the cash is coming (o.k. so i ought to wait for it to arrive) and there is nothing wrong with skipping a step

to all the people that say a 30D/40D will suffice, I dont believe any of you are wrong, having said that everything they do the 5D will do better,

[t00thless]

Its a good choice matey, I am sure you will enjoy the camera loads, and it certainly is a setup form the 300D. I use my 5D for motorsports all the time with the 24-105 on it for wide(r) stuff, and i dont have any problems at all.

[F-F-F]

yeah i suppose all i've got to do now is take some photo's that are worthy....

out of interest what would a 300D with kit lens and battery grip be worth now? was thinking not a lot