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Steve Jackson
14-07-2007, 14:21
Are there any Hattrick (http://www.hattrick.org) players here interested in joining a DVDF League? If interested please reply with your team name and number I'll get everything sorted for the first matches to take place on Tuesday 24th July (so don't get scheduling any friendlies!) for those no longer in the official in-game cup competition.

Teams so far:

Gartly City (67766) - edwinrgarland
Harlan's World United (955857) - Wooglie
Hellraisers FC (959237) - MrSpeed
New Cannock Patriots (959163) - Me
Peterborough Rovers (956030) - Mick Davies

Mick Davies
14-07-2007, 15:33
I'll play! My team is shockingly bad though! :)

edwinrgarland
14-07-2007, 16:37
Sign me up. I've just been relegated again and am back in the bottom division again :cry:

My team info is : Gartly City (67766)

Bloom
14-07-2007, 17:32
Count me in, my aim for the season is to score a goal :thumbs:

Steve Jackson
14-07-2007, 20:37
Please reply with your team name and number if you wish to take part. I'm hoping the first matches can take place on Tuesday 24th July.

I've amended the first post with this extra information.

MrSpeed
15-07-2007, 16:02
Never heard of it before but it looks interesting !

Mick Davies
15-07-2007, 16:34
Okay...my team is:

Peterborough Rovers (956030)

Looking forward to this now :)

MrSpeed
15-07-2007, 17:04
Just signed up but been told I will have to wait up to a week to be assigned a team!?

Bloom
15-07-2007, 17:47
Just signed up but been told I will have to wait up to a week to be assigned a team!?

Same here

Steve Jackson
15-07-2007, 18:54
It said the same for both my son and I and yet we were both playing the next day.

MrSpeed
16-07-2007, 11:29
It said the same for both my son and I and yet we were both playing the next day.

You're right...just checked my email and the team is activated :)

The hattrick site is down for maintainance until 2pm though :(

MrSpeed
17-07-2007, 09:22
Hellraisers FC (959237)

Mick Davies
17-07-2007, 09:57
Hellraisers FC (959237)

Just had a look at your team, you seem to have a couple of good players but alot of crap! Before you go spending all your money at once...it's what I did :(
You should have a quick read around some begginers guides.
The main thing they will suggest is that you buy a decent coach!

edwinrgarland
17-07-2007, 11:36
I've been playing hattrick for a few seasons now.
for any beginners here are my tips.

The most important thing is read the rules and do the tutorial tasks.

Dont buy expensive players, buy players that are a bit better than what you have and train them.

As soon as you can get a better coach

Work on an area of your team and improve that by training. I jsut couldnt score in my first season. After i was relegated I bought some young strikers and just trained scoring and now they are pretty good.

Use the transfer market as way of making money.

Also try and upgrade your stadium, just in small steps.

Mick Davies
17-07-2007, 12:04
I've been playing hattrick for a few seasons now.


Are you going to join this aswell mate? Friendly league?

Steve Jackson
17-07-2007, 12:06
He's already in. :)

Regarding the league, do people want to play each other twice, home and away, or just once on a neutral ground? As there isn't a great deal of interest right now I was thinking of maybe one match so that we can get a hopefully more popular second season on the go quite soon.

Also, should we have a handicap system for matches with teams from different levels of one goal awarded to the weaker team for each level they are below the stronger one? I hope that makes sense.

Mick Davies
17-07-2007, 12:43
Not sure how the handicaps would work. What do you mean by each level?

Didn't notice he was in mind :P

Steve Jackson
17-07-2007, 13:08
I'm in league level VII, if I played against someone in level V I would be given a two goal start. Or if that sounds too much, one goal for every two levels difference maybe?

Mick Davies
17-07-2007, 13:23
Nah 2 goals for a league sounds okay I think.

MrSpeed
17-07-2007, 13:23
Thanks for the tips folks :thumbs:

MrSpeed
18-07-2007, 09:36
Played my 1st game last night...got beat 4-0 :( No suprise really considering the team I have. Time to look for new players I think.

Mick Davies
18-07-2007, 10:35
Funny that I won my match last night 4-0.

I worked on the defence then my midfield then my attack and I now seem to be able to compete slightly ;)

edwinrgarland
18-07-2007, 13:32
I won my cup game so if we start the league next week I can't play due to still being in the cup.

Steve Jackson
18-07-2007, 15:11
I won my cup game so if we start the league next week I can't play due to still being in the cup.Pffft! After I did the right thing for the DVDF league too by purposely losing my cup game 2 - 0!

:)

Mick Davies
18-07-2007, 15:39
I'm suprised theres not much interest in this considering there are about 1million HT players.

MrSpeed
18-07-2007, 15:41
I'm suprised theres not much interest in this considering there are about 1million HT players.

Me too!!

edwinrgarland
24-07-2007, 11:16
Is anyone still interested in this?

Also we could even have a DVDF youth league as well?

I'll prob loose my cup game tomorrow so I should be able to arrange a friendly next week.

Mick Davies
24-07-2007, 12:47
I will more than likely lose mine, Im against much better opposition!

edwinrgarland
25-07-2007, 10:21
well thats me well and truly out of the cup.

Its ht and im down 5-0 :cry:

So im free for matches next week.

Wooglie
25-07-2007, 10:32
I've got a new team Harlan's World United (955857), but I have no idea what I'm doing. Managed to score a goal in my first match though :)
I think I've challenged Steve to a friendly.

edwinrgarland
25-07-2007, 12:59
I'm having a nightmare start to the season. After winning 6-1 in the cup last week ive lost my last two games 8-0 and 9-0 :cry:

Hopefully i can get my season back on track this weekend and back to winning ways or at least score a goal :thumbs:

Mick Davies
25-07-2007, 14:14
I lost my cup game 6-1 but gave my keeper a rest as I knew I wasn't going to win it. But happy I grabbed a goal.

Steve Jackson
25-07-2007, 18:15
I've got a new team Harlan's World United (955857), but I have no idea what I'm doing. Managed to score a goal in my first match though :)
I think I've challenged Steve to a friendly.
You have indeed, although I'm not sure whether or not I'll be able to accept as hopefully we can start the actual league now that we're all out of the cup. I assume you're up for the league yourself? I've added your team to the list in the first post anyway.

Final call for teams to join the league. I'll try and have the fixtures all sorted for Friday or Saturday so anyone else interested needs reply here as soon as possible.

Steve Jackson
25-07-2007, 18:21
Also we could even have a DVDF youth league as well?Sounds good. If this works well enough then I'm happy to give a youth league a go too.

Wooglie
25-07-2007, 21:43
You have indeed, although I'm not sure whether or not I'll be able to accept as hopefully we can start the actual league now that we're all out of the cup. I assume you're up for the league yourself? I've added your team to the list in the first post anyway.
Yeah that's fine, I was just doing the challenges. I don't mind waiting for a friendly.

Steve Jackson
26-07-2007, 05:24
Yeah that's fine, I was just doing the challenges. I don't mind waiting for a friendly.Ah, ok. If you can hang on a day or so I'll have a friendly sorted for you then as a DVDF league match.

gjkendall
26-07-2007, 06:50
I have just applied for a team...I totally missed this thread when it appeared.

I am currently waiting for activation!

Mick Davies
26-07-2007, 08:44
Great news....another player would be decent!

Steve Jackson
28-07-2007, 18:50
I have just applied for a team...I totally missed this thread when it appeared.

I am currently waiting for activation!
Have you got your team yet? If so, please reply back with your team details as soon as possible and I'll sort the fixtures out for tomorrow.

EDIT: Apologies, but I've had a really manic day and haven't had chance to sort the fixtures. Will everyone be ok with the first matches taking place a week on Tuesday instead? It'll give gjkendall a further chance to join in too.

Wooglie
30-07-2007, 17:51
EDIT: Apologies, but I've had a really manic day and haven't had chance to sort the fixtures. Will everyone be ok with the first matches taking place a week on Tuesday instead? It'll give gjkendall a further chance to join in too.

Fine by me. Could you accept my friendly then :)

Steve Jackson
05-08-2007, 09:41
Oooops!

Steve Jackson
05-08-2007, 09:44
Ok, I've downloaded a league spreadsheet from the internet and used it so choose all the fixtures for us. No response from gjkendall so it's just five of us for season one. We are playing each other twice, home and away.

The first games for this Tuesday 5th August are as follows (home team first obviously):

Gartly City (67766) vs Harlan's World United (955857)

Hellraisers FC (959237) vs New Cannock Patriots (959163)

Mick Davies, the way the spreadsheet has done it, with having an odd number of teams, your Peterborough Rovers don't have a match until the 28th August I'm afraid. The spreadsheet also convienently, and without any tinkering from me, has my team out of action for the same fortnight that I'm in Minorca. I'll add all the season's fixtures later on.

MrSpeed I've sent you a challenge, so it's just up to you to accept and the other two to arrange their match now and and reply here with the match ID numbers and scores.

Wooglie
06-08-2007, 10:27
I've accepted the friendly from Gartly.

MrSpeed
07-08-2007, 12:48
Sorry, not been online too much lately. Will try and sort this out :)

edwinrgarland
08-08-2007, 11:20
Gartly City - Harlan's World United 6 - 0
Matchid:140339365


I dont think the scorline was fair.
you didnt deserve to get beat 6-0 and you should have scored at least once.

Wooglie
08-08-2007, 11:30
Great start by my team. When do you see the training paying off?

edwinrgarland
08-08-2007, 11:54
you dont get instant results in hattrick.
When I first started playing hattrick it took me about 7-8 weeks before i was able to score a goal and to get the training to produce any sort of effect on the pitch.

Stick in with it and after a while you will start to see the results.
Just remember the first few weeks is a learning process.

Wooglie
08-08-2007, 13:27
Yeah I know it will take time. I've scored goals already, just not as many as the opposition ;)

Mick Davies
08-08-2007, 14:30
Who's gets my blood next week?

Steve Jackson
09-08-2007, 17:17
Ok, I was a little late in posting the fixtures and in turn MrSpeed must have been too late to accept my challenge and so our match didn't take place. I've rearranged the fixtures list accordingly so here is a full list of matches for the season:

http://stejay.adsl24.co.uk/images/fixtures.jpg

Wooglie, I've just issued you a challenge for our match.

And here, with no suprises with only one game played, is the current league table:

http://stejay.adsl24.co.uk/images/table.jpg

Wooglie
09-08-2007, 17:29
I'm the only one in the league to concede goals :) Shouldn't I get a one goal lead cause I'm a league below Gartly?
Accepted your friendly.

Steve Jackson
09-08-2007, 18:02
I did mention a handicap system previously, is it something everyone is in agreement with?

edwinrgarland
09-08-2007, 18:25
I'm the only one in the league to concede goals :) Shouldn't I get a one goal lead cause I'm a league below Gartly?
Accepted your friendly.

Good point and I agree with the handicap system but to play devils advocate here I'm in the lowest league in Scotland.
How many league levels are there in England?
In Scotland there are five.

Wooglie
09-08-2007, 18:57
Good point and I agree with the handicap system but to play devils advocate here I'm in the lowest league in Scotland.
How many league levels are there in England?
In Scotland there are five.
Oh didn't notice that could get interesting to work out.

Zath
10-08-2007, 09:39
Doh, I've only just seen this - I'd be interested if/when you do another season.

Mick Davies
10-08-2007, 13:42
I have now challenged Hellraisers FC @ Peterborough Rovers!

edwinrgarland
10-08-2007, 13:51
I did mention a handicap system previously, is it something everyone is in agreement with?


Maybe a better way would be on how long you have played hattrick rather than what division you are in.

You could have it so that if you have played less than 3 months you arnt penalised and then for every three months you have played hattrick you get penalised a goal.

Steve Jackson
10-08-2007, 19:30
Doh, I've only just seen this - I'd be interested if/when you do another season.Reply with your team name and number and I'll take a shot a shuffling the fixtures to accommodate you.

MrSpeed
15-08-2007, 12:19
I scored my 1st goal :D

Mick Davies
15-08-2007, 13:10
Against Me :(

Zath
15-08-2007, 13:13
Reply with your team name and number and I'll take a shot a shuffling the fixtures to accommodate you.

Zath Rovers (61967) is my team, if you could juggle it, that would be great, if not don't worry about, I should have seen this thread earlier!

MrSpeed
15-08-2007, 15:39
Against Me :(


You did score 4 though :D

Mick Davies
15-08-2007, 15:55
And I didn't play my first choice strikers :P

Steve Jackson
15-08-2007, 17:43
Zath Rovers (61967) is my team, if you could juggle it, that would be great, if not don't worry about, I should have seen this thread earlier!Ok, I've quickly juggled about the fixtures in the spreadsheet and hopefully I haven't made too many errors. We've ended up with a slightly uneven spread of matches but here is the new fixtures list anyway:

http://stejay.adsl24.co.uk/images/fixtures.jpg

And the new league table:

http://stejay.adsl24.co.uk/images/table.jpg

Mick Davies
15-08-2007, 23:32
And the new league table:

http://stejay.adsl24.co.uk/images/table.jpg

Arrr??

I've played a game and have 3 points :razz: hehe

Steve Jackson
16-08-2007, 05:27
Ooops, forgot to hit the update button on the spreadsheet before I took a screen grab of the table. I'll sort it tonight.

Zath
16-08-2007, 09:25
Thanks very much for squeezing me into the league! :D

red marauder
16-08-2007, 11:22
Aah hattrick. It was good a couple of years ago, but the collapse in the economy has turned into a farce.
Any game that has people sucking up to ville_man should be banned.

Give Sokker a try when you inevitably get bored of it.
Footstar is another game with a twist that you may enjoy.

Zath
16-08-2007, 14:36
Aah hattrick. It was good a couple of years ago, but the collapse in the economy has turned into a farce.
Any game that has people sucking up to ville_man should be banned.

Give Sokker a try when you inevitably get bored of it.
Footstar is another game with a twist that you may enjoy.

Can you explain a little more as to why it's gone down hill?

I've been playing for about 18 months now, but obviously don't follow it in enough detail.

Steve Jackson
17-08-2007, 20:14
Ok, I haven't had time to correct the table (stupid spreadsheet!) and I'm off early tomorrow for two weeks in the sun so it'll have to wait I'm afraid. I've arranged my match for this coming Tuesday and if you guys could stick to the other fixtures as posted above and post the results while I'm away then I'll update everything properly when I get back. Cheers.

Mick Davies
18-08-2007, 01:19
That's cool with me :)

Wooglie
18-08-2007, 14:43
I've challenged Hellraisers :)

MrSpeed
18-08-2007, 17:58
I've challenged Hellraisers :)


Will accept challenge in a bit :D

Wooglie
19-08-2007, 18:36
I won my first game today :)

Zath
20-08-2007, 16:50
I've challenged Peterborough Rovers a few days back, still waiting on the friendly being accepted.

Mick Davies
21-08-2007, 08:07
Accepted!

Mick Davies
21-08-2007, 21:51
Shock win there for my team against Zath!

Zath Rovers - Peterborough Rovers 1 - 3

Wooglie
21-08-2007, 22:04
Will accept challenge in a bit :D

Yay first league win :D and first goals as well. That'll put a chink in my -7 goal difference.
MatchID: 140809621 2-0 to Harlan's.

MrSpeed
21-08-2007, 22:46
I forgot to change my 2 injured players :( ....Well that's the best excuse I can think of :D

Wooglie
22-08-2007, 10:50
Does anyone know the best way to make money? I've just realised I'm 60K in debt. I've had to remove my youth squad investment just to break even :brickwall I have a few of my worse players on transfer list, but I doubt anyone will buy them.

Wooglie
23-08-2007, 20:23
I've challenged Zath for next week.

Zath
24-08-2007, 06:16
Apparently one of the best ways of raising cash is to bring in some young midfielders and then train playmaking to sell them on after they level up a bit. I've not really done that myself, just been more concerned with improving my team as needed.

I've collected some info here that might be handy to new players of Hattrick:

http://www.zath.co.uk/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=25

Wooglie
28-08-2007, 22:12
Match Id: 141007530 Harlan's World United 0 - Zath Rovers 1. I seem to be letting in less, but my keeper is now injured for three weeks :(

Zath
29-08-2007, 07:34
Good close game Wooglie, sorry about the injury!

Mick Davies
29-08-2007, 11:14
Who have I got this week? Is it Harlans World? (I'm peterborough rovers)

Wooglie
29-08-2007, 11:26
Who have I got this week? Is it Harlans World? (I'm peterborough rovers)
Yep 4th September. I've challenged you, but I don't think you can accept yet.

Mick Davies
29-08-2007, 12:20
I've accepted :)

Zath
04-09-2007, 17:05
I challenged Gartley City last week and still waiting on it being accepted - could you take a look please? Don't really want to be left without a friendly this week is all. Cheers!

Steve Jackson
04-09-2007, 17:43
Same here. Back now and I challenged Hellraisers FC yesterday but have yet to receive a response.

I'll try and catch up with all the scores over the next couple of days and update the table accordingly.

edwinrgarland
04-09-2007, 17:51
I challenged Gartley City last week and still waiting on it being accepted - could you take a look please? Don't really want to be left without a friendly this week is all. Cheers!


Sorry havn't checked hattrick for a few days.
I've just tried to accept your friendly proposal but it wont let me it says i cannot accept an international friendly right now

Steve Jackson
04-09-2007, 17:55
Ok, seems that the Gartly City vs Peterborough Rovers game didn't take place last week so we'll have to add that on to the end of the season.

Last week's only result then:

Harlan's World United (955857) - 0 1 - Zath Rovers (61967) - Match ID: 141007530


Matches that are due to take place this evening:


New Cannock Patriots (959163) vs Hellraisers FC (959237)



Gartly City (67766) vs Zath Rovers (61967)



Harlan's World United (955857) vs Peterborough Rovers (956030) Match ID: 141177402


And the current table:

http://stejay.adsl24.co.uk/images/table.jpg

Mick Davies
05-09-2007, 09:33
I won my match last night!

Harlan's World United - Peterborough Rovers 1 - 4

That should keep me top of the table! :)

I did pick up a short term injury to one of my GKs though :(

Wooglie
05-09-2007, 10:04
Do I win a prize for the worst goal difference? :)

Wooglie
07-09-2007, 07:24
I've challenged Gartly City for next week.

Zath
08-09-2007, 09:05
I've challenged New Cannock Patriots for next week.

Steve Jackson
09-09-2007, 09:37
I've challenged New Cannock Patriots for next week.Accepted.

Looks like only one scheduled match from three took place last week then:

Harlan's World United (955857) - 1 4 - Peterborough Rovers (956030)
Match ID: 141177402

So the following will have to be rescheduled for a later date:

New Cannock Patriots (959163) vs Hellraisers FC (959237)

Gartly City (67766) vs Zath Rovers (61967)

This Tuesday's matches:

Harlan's World United (955857) vs Gartly City (67766)
Hellraisers FC (959237) vs Peterborough Rovers (956030)
New Cannock Patriots (959163) vs Zath Rovers (61967)

The current table:

http://stejay.adsl24.co.uk/images/table.jpg

Wooglie
09-09-2007, 10:58
It seems a bit unfair as everyone else's team are getting better (I admit only slightly) while I seem to be playing all my games :(

MrSpeed
09-09-2007, 12:13
Don't worry Wooglie, my team is not getting better either. I've just hired a goalkeeping coach in the hope that it will stop me leaking goals!!

Steve Jackson
09-09-2007, 12:21
Sorry. I downloaded a football league spreadsheet which decided all the fixtures, but you do have a point. The annoying thing about the spreadsheet is it turns out the bloody thing doesn't even work properly anyway and I have to piddle about updating the league table myself.

I'll try and juggle the fixtures around myself so that you don't have to play for a couple of weeks while we catch up.

Can anyone recommend a better spreadsheet for future seasons, or even better an online league management system that we can all access?

Mick Davies
10-09-2007, 08:32
Hellraisers FC (959237) vs Peterborough Rovers (956030)

Challenged!

edwinrgarland
12-09-2007, 11:53
Harlan's World United - Gartly City 0 - 6
Matchid : 141589785

Wooglie
12-09-2007, 12:22
I really need my main goalkeeper to come back off the injury list.

Mick Davies
12-09-2007, 13:15
My match wasn't accepted and didn't go ahead.

MrSpeed
13-09-2007, 13:15
My match wasn't accepted and didn't go ahead.


Sorry Mick,internet access has been restricted this week :(

MrSpeed
13-09-2007, 13:17
Just sent you a challenge while I can :D

Wooglie
13-09-2007, 13:24
Steve: You upadating the fixtures or shall I challenge you for next week?

Mick Davies
13-09-2007, 15:55
Accepted! :thumbs:

MrSpeed
14-09-2007, 11:30
Accepted! :thumbs:


/Runs off to sort out my team :D

edwinrgarland
14-09-2007, 18:51
what are the fixtures for next week as my scheduled team already has booked a match.

Zath
15-09-2007, 09:56
I tried challenging Peterborough Rovers, but they've already got a friendly arranged, any other fixtures i could play?

edwinrgarland
15-09-2007, 11:53
I tried challenging Peterborough Rovers, but they've already got a friendly arranged, any other fixtures i could play?


since we both dont have a game we could rearrange our game from a few weeks back?

Steve Jackson
15-09-2007, 19:58
Sorry, sorry, sorry guys. I've really been pushed for time lately and I haven't been able to get around to sorting this whole league stuff out properly.

Anyway, match results from last week:

New Cannock Patriots 0 - 3 Zath Rovers
Harlan's World United 0 - 6 Gartly City

And the latest league table:

http://www.stejay.adsl24.co.uk/images/table.jpg

Adjusted fixtures for this coming Tuesday:

Hellraisers FC vs Peterborough Rovers
Gartly City vs Zath Rovers

I'll take a break along with Harlan's World United so that everyone can start to catch up with Harlan's for the number of matches played. That ok with everyone?

Zath
15-09-2007, 20:26
I've challenged Gartly City for next week!

edwinrgarland
15-09-2007, 21:47
I've challenged Gartly City for next week!

Challenge accepted.

MrSpeed
17-09-2007, 23:43
Finding it hard to get decent new players!

Wooglie
18-09-2007, 07:09
I'll take a break along with Harlan's World United so that everyone can start to catch up with Harlan's for the number of matches played. That ok with everyone?
Fine. Need to get my keeper match fit again.

Mick Davies
19-09-2007, 16:41
My game for this week ended in a win for Peterborough Rovers :thumbs:

18/09/2007: Hellraisers FC 0 - 5 Peterborough Rovers

MrSpeed
19-09-2007, 17:28
My game for this week ended in a win for Peterborough Rovers :thumbs:

18/09/2007: Hellraisers FC 0 - 5 Peterborough Rovers

:cry:

I need more players!!

Steve Jackson
21-09-2007, 20:02
Results from Tuesday:

Hellraisers FC 0 - 5 Peterborough Rovers
Gartly City 2 - 6 Zath Rovers

And so the table now looks like this:

http://www.stejay.adsl24.co.uk/images/table.jpg

Matches for this coming Tuesday:

Hellraisers FC vs New Cannock Patriots
Peterborough Rovers vs Zath Rovers

Wooglie, hang in there while we continue to catch up with you and the number of matches played.

MrSpeed
21-09-2007, 20:17
I'm in a cup game that I didn't know about on the 26th!! Cann't challenge (or find a way to!?) till after that date!!

Wooglie
21-09-2007, 20:51
Wooglie, hang in there while we continue to catch up with you and the number of matches played.
No problem. Just got to try and keep my players uninjured.

Zath
30-09-2007, 23:20
I've challenged Hellraisers for our game this week.

MrSpeed
01-10-2007, 08:18
Accepted :)

Steve Jackson
07-10-2007, 11:19
Ok, I suck at keeping all this up to date. Many apologies. I'm going to look into using a web service such as htcups.org if we have a second season.

Anyway, recent matches played:

25/09/2007 Peterborough Rovers - Zath Rovers 1 - 5
02/10/2007 Hellraisers FC - Zath Rovers 1 - 3

Current table:

http://www.stejay.adsl24.co.uk/images/table.jpg

Fixtures for Tuesday (if not too late to arrange):

Hellraisers FC vs New Cannock Patriots (challenge issued)
Gartly City vs Peterborough Rovers

edwinrgarland
07-10-2007, 13:07
I've challenged Peterborough Rovers for our game this week

MrSpeed
08-10-2007, 13:02
Hellraisers FC vs New Cannock Patriots (challenge issued)


Accepted :)

Mick Davies
09-10-2007, 13:00
I've challenged Peterborough Rovers for our game this week

Accepted - Playing a youth keeper and striker in this game.

Wooglie
16-10-2007, 11:18
Are there any fixtures this week?
I won my league game 4-1 on Sunday. I'll beat you all now ;)

Wooglie
26-10-2007, 10:18
Hello anybody here...

Steve Jackson
30-10-2007, 16:20
Yes, sorry all. The stupid spreadsheet I downloaded for this has messed up again and isn't updating properly so I need to piddle about and do it all manually and I've been so busy again with other stuff that I simply haven't gotten around to it. With all the unbalanced fixtures the spreadsheet through up too, I really wish I hadn't used the bloody thing now.

I will get something sorted shortly, hopefully this week, and if I haven't put everyone off with the way this has gone, we'll use something like www.htcups.org for the next season.