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What do you think? Personally think it's a quality album full of potential singles. Heading to number one this week too.
Saw them live last night at a free Kerrang radio gig in Birmingham. They certainly know how to get the place going.
They have a very loyal following and great energy.
Now I know a lot of you on here will slag them off immediatley because the NME have praised them, even without hearing anything from then probably, as seems to be the case with a lot of previous threads. But for 3 19 year olds going out and having it each night live I think fair play to em!
They sold out the 3000 capacity Birmingham Academy last month and had only had one proper single out.
Only downside are the S--- on the Villa chants sung by their Coventry City supporting fans, but then again they only have 2 songs.;)
Johnny Vodka
14-07-2007, 08:57
I can't get over how bad the current single is. :p
dannywonderful
14-07-2007, 10:47
What do you think? Personally think it's a quality album full of potential singles. Heading to number one this week too.
Saw them live last night at a free Kerrang radio gig in Birmingham. They certainly know how to get the place going.
They have a very loyal following and great energy.
Now I know a lot of you on here will slag them off immediatley because the NME have praised them, even without hearing anything from then probably, as seems to be the case with a lot of previous threads. But for 3 19 year olds going out and having it each night live I think fair play to em!
They sold out the 3000 capacity Birmingham Academy last month and had only had one proper single out.
Only downside are the S--- on the Villa chants sung by their Coventry City supporting fans, but then again they only have 2 songs.;)
They're playing a free gig at the Godiva Festival in Coventry tonight, so you should come to that and really hear those football chants ring out! ;)
GAmbrose
14-07-2007, 10:47
The NME praising a band called The Enemy...funny that.
Gary A
Mr Majestik
14-07-2007, 10:51
This bands just about sums up everything that's wrong with the British 'indie' music scene in one neat package.
kippa2k1
14-07-2007, 10:53
Only downside are the S--- on the Villa chants sung by their Coventry City supporting fans, but then again they only have 2 songs.;)
As opposed to your one? :p
Which is? what a day we had when we relegated Coventry. Classic day had by all. They were 2-0 up aswell. Lol.
Always makes me laugh their obsession with us. Our local rivals are Blues and Albion, we really couldn't care less about Coventry at all. Surely their rivals are east midlands teams, Leicester, Derby or Forest?
Anyway a number one album tells me i'm not alone in liking them. so there. :razz:
Johnny Vodka
15-07-2007, 17:33
I can't get over how bad the current single is. :p
As it turns out, I haven't (knowinlgy) heard it. The track I thought it was is actually by Arman Van Helden, hence my comments elsewhere about it being a really **** LCD Soundystem/!!! rip off and me not being sure whether it was a crap band or crap dance outfit. :cuckoo: :nuts:
So no idea about The Enemy, but Arman Van Helden sux!!!!!11111 :p
Mr Majestik
15-07-2007, 17:50
I think i can safely say you won't like the Enemy.
Their your typical bunch of ugly teenagers in Parkers singing about how rubbish life is.
Johnny Vodka
15-07-2007, 17:53
I blame Jo Whiley for the confusion. Silly bint. :D
LouBarlow
15-07-2007, 18:07
The enemy....OF MUSIC!
Trademark Loubie Barlow 2007
JV you wil love the enemy, right up your alley.
I might have liked this a decade ago but it's a bit tryhard 'Jam' for my liking.
Kirs-tea
16-07-2007, 13:24
This bands just about sums up everything that's wrong with the British 'indie' music scene in one neat package.
Yep, The Enemy and The Twang = toss! :D
Now I know a lot of you on here will slag them off immediatley because the NME have praised them, even without hearing anything from then probably, as seems to be the case with a lot of previous threads. But for 3 19 year olds going out and having it each night live I think fair play to em!
Any evidence of people slagging off bands without having listened to them??
Fever Dawg
16-07-2007, 13:45
Any evidence of people slagging off bands without having listened to them??
http://www.thedvdforums.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=462610&highlight=twang
Post #2?
:p
Good example, i'm sure there are plenty on here.
Well done to them anyway for their confirmed number one album yesterday.
LouBarlow
16-07-2007, 14:11
But hey, he was right!
http://www.thedvdforums.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=462610&highlight=twang
Post #2?
:p
He slagged them off becaue of their name but made no mention of the music.
I've seen this kind of accusation a few times when people criticise bands that someone likes.
This forums is one of the best and most open minded music discussion boards I know and complaining about something that rarely, if ever, happens is pretty damn silly.
As for The Enemy I will go and havea listen to them and report back about how much I hate them when i have done so :p
Johnny Vodka
16-07-2007, 14:26
Does anyone* still get a hard on over what's number one? ;)
*bar SpankySpanky
Mr Majestik
16-07-2007, 14:34
If anyone would care to listen... http://www.myspace.com/theenemycoventry
I'm off round there house to smash all their Jam records whilst the're on tour.
This forums is one of the best and most open minded music discussion boards
I'd say it's one where if you like anyone thats popular or mainstream you just get a load of negative comments straight away almost all of the time.
If you like dour music like Nick Cave or something obscure then you are apparently 'hipper' and more 'knowledgeable' about music.
Not moaning about it, as the debates on here are generally good but it usually ends up with more people slagging off the more popular bands in favour of things like 'Arcade Fire' who are as much a one trick pony as Oasis are portrayed on here (Momentum building song after momentum building song).
For the record my favourite 5 bands are
Oasis
Carter USM
Ned's Atomic Dustbin
The Wonder Stuff
Weezer
Each to their own etc. and it would be boring if we all like the same things but I do get a sense of snobbery on this forum where people think they are better than others just because they prefer to be in a minority.
Flame away ;)
NicolaUK
16-07-2007, 14:57
I've just had a listen, so they're 19 but where's the spark?
It's just dull, dull, dull.
Johnny Vodka
16-07-2007, 15:01
Last I heard, Arcade Fire were pretty popular. :thinking: I don't think you can claim any 'obscure band' points for liking them these days - and they're a lot better than Oasis. :)
Mr Majestik
16-07-2007, 15:12
It's not snobbery it's just that the Enemy are not very good.
Simple as that.
LouBarlow
16-07-2007, 15:23
The only way you'll win any obscure band points from me, is if you happen to bring someone like Uber-Hyper-Atomic-Radioactive-Flapjack Mk 9 into a thread about The Enemy...
...oh no wait!
Johnny Vodka
16-07-2007, 15:30
The Enemy are actually pretty obscure to me in that I've never knowingly heard them. :thinking:
Number one and I can't even hum one of their songs? I must be getting old. :(
I must be getting old. :(
I think you're on to something there! ;)
filthypig
16-07-2007, 16:18
They were superb at the Godiva festival this weekend just gone.
Super Furry Animals were pretty good too but they should have had the Enemy headlining as the crowd was alot better for them (understandable with them being a Coventry band).
Proper bunch of chavs though :suspect:
If anyone would care to listen... http://www.myspace.com/theenemycoventry
I'm off round there house to smash all their Jam records whilst the're on tour.
:lol:
I've just listened to the tracks they have on there and you are spot on about the Jam 'influences'
The songs aren't offensive but they are just very dull.
For the record my favourite 5 bands are
Oasis
Carter USM
Ned's Atomic Dustbin
The Wonder Stuff
Weezer
The 90's called, they want their bands back. :D
At least the 90's will be remmbered for many music scenes. Early 90's the Madchester, mid-late 90's the Britpop scene and not to forget the dance and raves taking off etc.
What has this decade given us?? Coldplay and the comedy act that is Kaiser Chiefs. Dear oh dear.
LouBarlow
17-07-2007, 04:15
Erm, this decade has given us more than that :nuts:
Besides both of those are stronger acts than The Enemy
Fever Dawg
17-07-2007, 05:38
Hey scenesters!
Does that mean wozwebs is slagging off music from this decade that he hasn't heard?
Hey scenesters!
Does that mean wozwebs is slagging off music from this decade that he hasn't heard?
I've heard enough to know that theres been very little decent new stuff out there. I doubt in 20-30 years time anyone will remember and talk about the music of the 00's like they do the 60's, 70's 80's and 90's thats for sure.
Johnny Vodka
17-07-2007, 08:13
I agree with wozweb to the extent that the major acts emerging this decade have been poor compared to the major acts that emerged in the 90s. There is still plenty of decent stuff out there, though.
So from this thred it appears that you are not allowed to slag off popular bands that wozwebs likes but he is perfectly entitled to slag off popular bands he doesn't like. Does that seem about right?
Slag who you like off, just that the air of snobbery that exists on here grates on me sometimes.
As I said before it's all about opinions. Like earlier when JV said Arcade Fire are a lot better than Oasis. Thats his opinion and one I disagree with totally.
Nothing like a bit of debate but a lot of threads are 'spoilt' etc. by negative comments all the time.
Surely some threads are best left to the fans of the bands to discuss them? If I see a White Stripes thread I won't go in and start slagging them off even though I think they are dire, i'll just leave it for their fans to discuss.
Pity the usual Beard-Strokers (not my quote ;) ) on here can't do the same.
Slag who you like off, just that the air of snobbery that exists on here grates on me sometimes.
As I said before it's all about opinions. Like earlier when JV said Arcade Fire are a lot better than Oasis. Thats his opinion and one I disagree with totally.
Nothing like a bit of debate but a lot of threads are 'spoilt' etc. by negative comments all the time.
Surely some threads are best left to the fans of the bands to discuss them? If I see a White Stripes thread I won't go in and start slagging them off even though I think they are dire, i'll just leave it for their fans to discuss.
Pity the usual Beard-Strokers (not my quote ;) ) on here can't do the same.
TBH the slagging of bands you don't like on this thread also smacks of snobbery. You can't have it both ways.
Oh and back on topic - I listened to the Enemy stuff again last night and It is horrendously dull and lacking in any energy.
Surely some threads are best left to the fans of the bands to discuss them? .
But why aren't we allowed to discuss the task at hand, this album? At least we've gone out of our way and given it a listen. Are we only allowed positive critisicm of a record now?
Great way to kill a forum if you ask me.
TBH the slagging of bands you don't like on this thread also smacks of snobbery. You can't have it both ways.
Oh and back on topic - I listened to the Enemy stuff again last night and It is horrendously dull and lacking in any energy.
But the comments are in a thread I created about a different band I like. I haven't gone into Nick Cave, Arcade Fire and Kaiser Chiefs threads to purposely 'slag' them off.
I see, it's your thread so you get to create the rules? :p
Also asking this in the opening post What do you think? , is asking for critique good or bad, no?
At least we've gone out of our way and given it a listen.
As far as i'm aware you may be the only one then who has actually heard the whole album not just a few snatches on MySpace.
3 pages in now and I think you and I are the only two who have heard the album from start to finish, if indeed you have heard all 11 tracks?
I see, it's your thread so you get to create the rules? :p
Also asking this in the opening post , is asking for critique good or bad, no?
Again, thats fine. I was generally looking for comments from people who had actually heard the whole album. Seems that not many have yet still slag them off. And for the record I have listened in full to albums by Nick Cave, Arcade Fire and Kaiser Chiefs ;)
I mananged half of it.
I rest my case:brickwall
Was the second half vastly diffferent then?
Was the second half vastly diffferent then?
All down to opinions, but basing your 'reviews' of an album based on only hearing half of it can't be correct surely?
having said that, at least you've heard half, which is more than others on this thread.
All down to opinions, but basing your 'reviews' of an album based on only hearing half of it can't be correct surely?
having said that, at least you've heard half, which is more than others on this thread.
I have heard the four tracks on MySpace and that is enough for me to know that chances are I won't like the rest of the album. If it is radically different then I am happy to revisit it but somehow I suspect it is very similar.
3 pages in now and I think you and I are the only two who have heard the album from start to finish, if indeed you have heard all 11 tracks?
Really and you know this how?
douglasb
17-07-2007, 09:47
When I was a kid I huffed and puffed about the MSP's being a weary re-tread of what'd gone before but was actually won over by the debut album in the end. There's a sweet irony in the fact that The Enemy toured w/ the Manics recently.
I just saw an Arctic Monkeys interview from Germany where the interviewer said when he'd first heard them, he'd thought "Oh, hardcore music with Britpop melodies" and asked about Dag Nasty and Fugazi. AM's admitted they'd heard of them but had still to actually investigate the music. They thought one of their mates maybe liked Minor Threat.
Kids will be wanting to play upbeat, "Jam-inspired" music in 50 years time. If they wanna shave, let 'em.
LouBarlow
17-07-2007, 10:25
All down to opinions, but basing your 'reviews' of an album based on only hearing half of it can't be correct surely?
having said that, at least you've heard half, which is more than others on this thread.
I've listened to it all thanks and it's **** - it might be snobbery, but there we have it - my opinion.
Mr Majestik
17-07-2007, 10:40
I've heard enough to know that theres been very little decent new stuff out there. I doubt in 20-30 years time anyone will remember and talk about the music of the 00's like they do the 60's, 70's 80's and 90's thats for sure.
The irony of this is when in 20 years time Mojo beams an special lookback at the 'oo's' magazine into your head. The main albums that will be remembered will be the White Stripes and Arcade Fire.
The irony of this is when in 20 years time Mojo beams an special lookback at the 'oo's' magazine into your head. The main albums that will be remembered will be the White Stripes and Arcade Fire.
Exactly what i'm saying - what a poor decade of music it has been so far if those two are the two that the decade will be remembered by.
There really hasn't been any stand out bands, scenes or movements at all.
In 20 years time how many of the albums released between 2000-2007 will be in the top 50 albums of all time lists. I would suggest not many.
Fever Dawg
17-07-2007, 11:17
Surely some threads are best left to the fans of the bands to discuss them? If I see a White Stripes thread I won't go in and start slagging them off even though I think they are dire, i'll just leave it for their fans to discuss.
Pity the usual Beard-Strokers (not my quote ;) ) on here can't do the same.
Whilst I agree that there can *sometimes* be an element of "snobbery" knocking around ... I really can't understand your logic here.
It's a thread (The White Stripes for example) to discuss that particular release. Not purely for fans of the band to pat each other on the back and say how great they are. Maybe I'm wrong but I always thought that threads like that (and this one for that matter) were opened as a forum for people to get a general consensus of what the album is like. I, for one, certainly don't want every thread to be filled with people saying how good an album is without people - who have a contrary opinion - being able to comment. Hardly going to be an unbiased viewpoint is it?
Personally I don't have the time or money to listen to every album released in it's complete form so rely on the opinions of certain members to help me sort the wheat from the chaff. ;)
Johnny Vodka
17-07-2007, 12:35
The music forum wouldn't be the music forum without the occasional snide comment. ;) I just miss the days when SS would settle what band's best by producing a list of sales figures. :(
douglasb
17-07-2007, 13:05
Exactly what i'm saying - what a poor decade of music it has been so far if those two are the two that the decade will be remembered by.
There really hasn't been any stand out bands, scenes or movements at all.
In 20 years time how many of the albums released between 2000-2007 will be in the top 50 albums of all time lists. I would suggest not many.
So the millions of kids who've followed the emo bands or weirdo metal bands will not be acknowledged when they come to write the musical history of the decade? It's probably fair to say those scenes haven't produced a 'Nevermind'-type album that defined a genre, but those are the records that a whole generation are growing up with.
Remember that 'Madchester' only produced a handful of great albums and a bunch of classic singles - which is pretty much all that any scene produces.
Johnny Vodka
17-07-2007, 13:46
How popular is emo in reality? If you catch a train into Glasgow on a Saturday afternoon, you'd think it was the biggest thing ever (as all the emo kids tend to hang around the station :shrug:), but I have my doubts. It is bloody terrible music IMO. ;)
I've gone off Nirvana with age, but My Chemical Romance aren't even in the same ballpark.
LouBarlow
17-07-2007, 13:47
This is the greatest album since Nevermind!
douglasb
17-07-2007, 13:56
According to Wikipedia, P!atDisco have sold over a million copies of their first LP. And MCR shifted double that for their last but one album.
My gut instinct is that this probably compares OK with other 'scenes' (grunge say, if you exclude Nevermind and maybe 'Ten'). I don't imagine Soundgarden were shifting that many more.
Johnny Vodka
17-07-2007, 14:04
I don't think "the critics" take emo seriously in the way they took Nirvana seriously. My image of it is that it's for 14 year old kids who wear black, have loads of piercings and are on the verge of self-harming. (Don't mean to trivialise a serious issue, but you know what I mean.)
Maybe I'm getting old, but it's just loads of screaming and boys with make-up. :D
Crikey - how many tangents can this thread ping off to LOL ;)
Anyway, despite any differnences of opinion, still a good healthy debate had by all. Nice one.
douglasb
17-07-2007, 14:21
Not necessarily disagreeing. I don't think it's achieved much as a scene. Maybe a couple of OK tracks that would would simply have been labelled pop punk a few years ago. Still, the kids seem to like it.
Lots of music has been critically ignored or lampooned over the years. And in some cases, the 'kids' have been proved right in retrospect. Heavy metal is still ripe for mockery (unless it's chin-stroking stuff like Mastodon). At some point it became alright to like AC/DC for instance.
Actually, The Enemy aren't emo, but it's basically old-school punk rock* with lyrics about small town life, etc. Isn't it just emo seen through a pair of NHS specs?
Edit - now I think about it, they're more mod than punk: Secret Affair, The Chords, etc. May have said this when I reviewed their first or second single.
Johnny Vodka
17-07-2007, 14:26
I always thought the emo label was more commonly applied to US bands, but I'm not a big follower of the scene...
Anyway, surely the 00s will be the decade of minimal house/techno? :p
Lots of music has been critically ignored or lampooned over the years. And in some cases, the 'kids' have been proved right in retrospect. Heavy metal is still ripe for mockery (unless it's chin-stroking stuff like Mastodon). At some point it became alright to like AC/DC for instance.
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I think it was always alright to like AC/DC but I must have missed the memo that said you could openly admit to being an Iron Maiden fan.
NicolaUK
17-07-2007, 15:16
My image of it is that it's for 14 year old kids who wear black, have loads of piercings and are on the verge of self-harming.
And Nirvana wasn't :nuts:
Johnny Vodka
17-07-2007, 15:20
And Nirvana wasn't :nuts:
I'm not the biggest Nirvana fan (I liked them at the time, but now think their importance overstated), though I think you would have to say they stretched way beyond the teenie market. I'd be surprised if there are many rock critics that don't take them seriously.
LouBarlow
17-07-2007, 17:53
And Nirvana wasn't :nuts:
Have you heard In Utero?
As un-emo as un..err...emo gets
Johnny Vodka
17-07-2007, 17:57
Have you heard In Utero?
As un-emo as un..err...emo gets
I can't remember the last time I listened to it, but you have to have a lot of respect for that record. When I was into Nirvana, it was my favourite album of theirs.
Have you heard In Utero?
As un-emo as un..err...emo gets
I don't think she was saying it was emo, none of their records were. Emo is/was emotional hardocore. Some of the kids were little goth pretenders though.
Johnny Vodka
17-07-2007, 18:38
I don't think she was saying it was emo, none of their records were. Emo is/was emotional hardocore. Some of the kids were little goth pretenders though.
Nope, but she did imply their audience reach was the same as the one I suggested for emo.
I reckon Nirvana reached a wider age range, although I guess they have do have that image of appealing to angsty types. I certainly listened to them most in my teens/early 20s when I was intent on being a miserable little *******. :lol: That sort of thing just doesn't appeal now, but I can appreciate their craft, certainly on In Utero, which is about as raw as music gets.
Anyway back on topic. I've now listened to about 3/4 of this. :|
NicolaUK
17-07-2007, 19:06
Have you heard In Utero?
As un-emo as un..err...emo gets
That's not what I said ;)
The 80's saw The Smiths, 90's Nirvana (how a Pixies rip off band made it so big I'll never understand but there you go) and now we have the Arctic Monkeys/Twang/The Enemy - it's one of those things that can only be experienced by growing up through it, I don't think you get a second chance.
I honestly don't think any of the current lot will stand the test of time which is the difference between the decades.
Johnny Vodka
17-07-2007, 19:11
Of the recent big acts to emerge, I reckon Arcade Fire will easily stand the test of time, mainly because they have ambition.
Everyone thinks music now isn't as good as the music when they were growing up. That's all part of getting old. ;)
NicolaUK
17-07-2007, 19:16
Everyone thinks music now isn't as good as the music when they were growing up. That's all part of getting old. ;)
That isn't what I said either :lol:
There's plenty of good stuff around but as you get older you realise most of it has been done before, that's not to say it can't be appreciated but personally I like music that has some guts and an awful lot of the current picks are just deathly dull.
I find Arcade Fire to be a bit tedious TBH.
Johnny Vodka
17-07-2007, 20:16
There's plenty of good stuff around but as you get older you realise most of it has been done before
Well, that's usually one of the reasons given for being unimpressed by current bands: "they sound a bit like x, but not as good".
LouBarlow
17-07-2007, 21:01
Nirvana (how a Pixies rip off band made it so big I'll never understand but there you go)
They were a Husker Du/Replacements rip-off band, as that's who The Pixies knocked off :p
Fever Dawg
18-07-2007, 06:28
Nirvana (how a Pixies rip off band made it so big I'll never understand but there you go)
Influenced by? - Yes. "Rip off"? - Mmmm not so sure about that one. "Rip off" to me says that they were a direct copy and Smells Like Teen Spirit (the song that made Nirvana "so big") isn't a direct copy of any Pixies song that I've ever heard.
I'd guess you'd pretty much struggle to find any band over the last 25 years that hasn't been influenced by somebody before them.
And why pick out The Smiths (a band you like) for the 80's and The Twang & The Enemy (bands you don't) to represent this decade? :nuts:
Influenced by? - Yes. "Rip off"? - Mmmm not so sure about that one. "Rip off" to me says that they were a direct copy and Smells Like Teen Spirit (the song that made Nirvana "so big") isn't a direct copy of any Pixies song that I've ever heard.
I'd guess you'd pretty much struggle to find any band over the last 25 years that hasn't been influenced by somebody before them.
And why pick out The Smiths (a band you like) for the 80's and The Twang & The Enemy (bands you don't) to represent this decade? :nuts:
"I was trying to write the ultimate pop song. I was basically trying to rip off the Pixies. I have to admit it. When I heard the Pixies for the first time, I connected with that band so heavily that I should have been in that band — or at least a Pixies cover band. We used their sense of dynamics, being soft and quiet and then loud and hard."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smells_like_teen_spirit
Fever Dawg
18-07-2007, 08:07
I'll stop talking now then. :nuts: :lol:
NicolaUK
18-07-2007, 08:10
Influenced by? - Yes. "Rip off"? - Mmmm not so sure about that one. "Rip off" to me says that they were a direct copy and Smells Like Teen Spirit (the song that made Nirvana "so big") isn't a direct copy of any Pixies song that I've ever heard.
I'd guess you'd pretty much struggle to find any band over the last 25 years that hasn't been influenced by somebody before them.
And why pick out The Smiths (a band you like) for the 80's and The Twang & The Enemy (bands you don't) to represent this decade? :nuts:
As Dave's posted, they've openly admitted it.
I've picked out bands that are appealing to the kids at that time, makes no difference if I like them or not - I'm not foolish enough to think that a band couldn't be popular because I think they suck :nuts:
douglasb
18-07-2007, 08:33
Yeah, but did they actually sound like the Pixies, in the way that Bush sounded-like Nirvana?
If all Kurt wanted to do was rip-off the Pixies, "Nevermind" would've been filled with surf instrumentals. "Teen Spirit" is quite atypical - it's not really like any of the band's other output. Even if Kurt admits to "ripping-off" the Pixies - in his usual cynical, grunge-punk manner - really all he took was the dynamics. His melodies, chord sequences, lyrics came from somewhere else. And he even began to abandon the dynamics on "In Utero".
I can't remember how we got here.
Fever Dawg
18-07-2007, 08:45
As Dave's posted, they've openly admitted it.
No matter what Cobain says though, I still don't think that it actually sounds like a complete "rip off".
I've picked out bands that are appealing to the kids at that time, makes no difference if I like them or not - I'm not foolish enough to think that a band couldn't be popular because I think they suck :nuts:
My point was that you picked out 2 much derided bands (around here anyway) in modern music when you could have chosen somebody much more credible. Your point doesn't hold as much water if you swap Maximo Park and, say, Interpol for those 2 though does it? As they (along with Arcade Fire) have a very good chance of standing "the test of time".
Johnny Vodka
18-07-2007, 08:47
Your point doesn't hold as much water if you swap Maximo Park and, say, Interpol for those 2 though does it?
Aye, it does. ;)
NicolaUK
18-07-2007, 08:51
My point was that you picked out 2 much derided bands (around here anyway) in modern music when you could have chosen somebody much more credible. Your point doesn't hold as much water if you swap Maximo Park and, say, Interpol for those 2 though does it? As they (along with Arcade Fire) have a very good chance of standing "the test of time".
I'm picking out bands that the kids are in to and making a point that just because JV doesn't get personally emo doesn't mean the kids aren't down with it. I feel much the same way about many current British 'indie' bands, the kids are loving it but I think it's actually quite dull - read my post again.
Johnny Vodka
18-07-2007, 09:04
I thought my original point was emo is music aimed at (or got by) kids - unlike The Smiths or Nirvana who surely both reached a wider audience? :thinking:
Mick Davies
18-07-2007, 09:06
I said back in Feb/March and I'll say again....I like The Enemy! Think I also added they would be the band to look out for this year :)
It's upbeat pop rock, which is the Genre I like whether commercial or not.
douglasb
18-07-2007, 09:23
I thought my original point was emo is music aimed at (or got by) kids - unlike The Smiths or Nirvana who surely both reached a wider audience? :thinking:
TBH, I can't remember. What do you mean by a wider audience? I think 'emo' is probably 'teenage' music although some older people (in their 20s or so) might like LostProphets, etc.
The first few times Nirvana came through the UK, it was students/music paper readers who went to see them and they crossed over to a younger audience post-Teen Spirit. I'm really not sure if older rock fans bought into them. They maybe just said "Oh, they're a Replacements rip-off!"
And it was an older, student-y crowd who got into the SMiths. By the time I began to 'get' the Smiths (ie. connect with them) they were about to split and I would be 16/17 I guess.
Johnny Vodka
18-07-2007, 09:32
I think Nirvana and The Smiths are as much Q (:gag:) as they are NME (:gag:). Obviously, at a gig level, they'd likely be driven by younger people, but the music had more depth than just the blokes wearing make-up/ screaming of emo, with Morrissey obviously being hailed a lyrical genius. I can still listen to The Smiths and get a lot ouf of them. I wonder if the emo kids will be able to do the same with their music in 20 years' time?
By "older", I mean people in their 20s/30s. I think Nirvana could have appealed to those easily - maybe not so much the over 40s, at least until Neil Young praised them. ;)
There was a recent week long competition on radio 1 to win MCR tickets and the DJs even made a joke that it was only 14 yr old screaming girls that were phoning in.
Mr Majestik
18-07-2007, 09:45
Anyone remember Nu Metal?
That's emo that is.
Fever Dawg
18-07-2007, 09:51
I'm picking out bands that the kids are in to and making a point that just because JV doesn't get personally emo doesn't mean the kids aren't down with it. I feel much the same way about many current British 'indie' bands, the kids are loving it but I think it's actually quite dull - read my post again.
So, basically .....
"The kids in the 80's were all into The Smiths - A very credible band that have stood the test of time.
The kids in the 90's were all into Nirvana - A very credible band that have stood the test of time
The kids in the 00's are all into bands like AM, The Twang & The Enemy - Bands who I think are all 'deathly dull' and won't stand the test of time.
That's the difference between the decades."
Is that what you are trying to say?
I just think it's such a skewed argument to ignore any of the current, more credible bands, that the kids are into. Or are you saying that the kids don't like the bands that I've mentioned? Or that none of them will stand the test of time? I've re-read your post and you said, and I quote, "I honestly don't think any of the current lot will stand the test of time which is the difference between the decades." :|
Fever Dawg
18-07-2007, 09:55
Who the hell are "the kids" anyway? :nuts:
Johnny Vodka
18-07-2007, 09:57
Who the hell are "the kids" anyway? :nuts:
I don't know. Didn't Robbie & Kylie sing about them? ;)
NicolaUK
18-07-2007, 10:03
:|
:lol:
My opinion is just that, no need to get hissy :nuts:
My posts were in reference to JV stating emo was crap, end of.
I don't like much of the current crop but that doesn't mean that others won't, I don't think they'll stand the test of time, my opinion.
Johnny Vodka
18-07-2007, 10:11
I've never said that others don't like emo. :thinking:
douglasb
18-07-2007, 10:19
It may be useful to see what other music has 'stood the test of time'. Here's the NME's critics choices from 1981, 1991 and 2001 respectively. :thumbs:
Nightclubbing - Grace Jones
Computer world - Kraftwerk
Red - Black Uhuru
Wha'ppen - The beat
Penthouse and Pavement - Heaven 17
Dare - Human league
Trust - Elvis Costello
Alles ist gut - DAF
Red mecca - Cabaret Voltaire
Fresh fruit in foreign places - Kid Creole and the coconuts
Nevermind - Nirvana
Bandwagonesque - Teenage fanclub
Primal scream - Screamadellca
Neil Young & Crazy Horse - Weld
Out of time - REM
Blue Lines - Massive Attack
Ice T - OG - Original Gangster
30 Something - Carter USM
Loveless - My Bloody Valentine
Never loved Elvis - The Wonder stuff
1 The Strokes 'Is This It' (Rough Trade)
3 Spiritualized 'Let It Come Down' (Spaceman)
3 The White Stripes 'White Blood Cells' (XL)
4 Jay-Z 'The Blueprint' (Roc-A-Fella)
5 Starsailor 'Love Is Here' (Chrysalis)
6 Slipknot 'Iowa' (Roadrunner)
7 Mercury Rev 'All Is Dream' (V2)
8 Rufus Wainwright 'Poses' (DreamWorks)
9 Andrew WK 'I Get Wet' (Mercury)
10 Aphex Twin 'Drukqs' (Warp)
Johnny Vodka
18-07-2007, 10:21
Interesting... Starsailor. :nuts:
NicolaUK
18-07-2007, 10:22
How popular is emo in reality? If you catch a train into Glasgow on a Saturday afternoon, you'd think it was the biggest thing ever (as all the emo kids tend to hang around the station :shrug:), but I have my doubts. It is bloody terrible music IMO. ;)
Point being just because you or I don't like something doesn't mean there aren't many thousands out there taking it seriously.
Fever Dawg
18-07-2007, 10:26
:lol:
My opinion is just that, no need to get hissy :nuts:
My posts were in reference to JV stating emo was crap, end of.
I don't like much of the current crop but that doesn't mean that others won't, I don't think they'll stand the test of time, my opinion.
"end of" ?
Who's getting "hissy" now? :nuts:
Johnny Vodka
18-07-2007, 10:26
Point being just because you or I don't like something doesn't mean there aren't many thousands out there taking it seriously.
I don't disagree with that, but I suspect the emo demographic doesn't stretch much beyond young to mid teens, and - even then - it's not every kid (despite what you might see in central station on a Saturday afternoon :nuts:).
NicolaUK
18-07-2007, 10:33
I don't disagree with that, but I suspect the emo demographic doesn't stretch much beyond young to mid teens, and - even then - it's not every kid (despite what you might see in central station on a Saturday afternoon :nuts:).
IME it's that or RnB.
I got caught up outside Brixton Academy a few months back after a MCR gig, the people coming out looked a lot older than young to mid teens.
http://www.google.com/trends/music can be interesting.
Johnny Vodka
18-07-2007, 10:38
I got caught up outside Brixton Academy a few months back after a MCR gig, the people coming out looked a lot older than young to mid teens.
That was probably their mums and dads. ;)
Mr Majestik
22-07-2007, 22:30
Just reading the online sunday papers and i found this nugget...
The Enemy appear to be upset about getting knocked off the top of the charts by former dictator and Britain's got talent winner Paul Potts.
Feisty front man Tom Clarke (right), 19, has been laying into Britain's Got Talent winner Paul Potts, who is set to knock them off the No 1 slot in today's album chart.
"I've just heard that we are about to be knocked off Number One by that fat bloke from Britain's Got Talent," Tom told me. "It's a ********** disgrace.
"Nobody will know who this bloke is this time next year. If he thinks he is going be making music in a year's time then he has another think coming.
"People who win talent shows have a habit of disappearing. They make one hit album, do a wave of promotion - and then it's on to the next big thing."
They make one hit album, do a wave of promotion - and then it's on to the next big thing."
Obvious the Enemy are too young to have worked out the NME's build em knock em down policy.
Ricky Roma
25-07-2007, 14:52
'We'll Live and Die in These Towns' is a solid if unspectacular album. However, having said that, 'You're Not Alone' is a bloody great song. Easily the best on the album.
NicolaUK
26-08-2007, 23:42
They supported the Stones tonight and they were seriously dire.
They supported the Stones tonight and they were seriously dire.
Strange, I saw them on TV last night playing Reading and they nearly took the roof off the tent and the crowd were going mental. Looked immense and every song played was class. First time I've really seen them and I was majorly impressed by them.
New single played last night on Radio1 - gotta say I like it a lot
saturday_kid
17-02-2009, 10:51
New albums gonna be good. Seen them live a few times always blow the roof off.
Mr Majestik
17-02-2009, 19:38
The new single's fantastically bad.
Best laugh i've had in a while.
(They've tried to sound like Kasabian but ended up with bad over produced 80's metal.)
robbie99
17-02-2009, 20:26
The new single's fantastically bad.
Best laugh i've had in a while.
(They've tried to sound like Kasabian but ended up with bad over produced 80's metal.)
Woah that is a bit special isnt it. Should have stuck to the Jam covers!
NicolaUK
17-02-2009, 21:05
The new single's fantastically bad.
Best laugh i've had in a while.
(They've tried to sound like Kasabian but ended up with bad over produced 80's metal.)
Aawww I'm going to have to seek it out now :D
robbie99
18-02-2009, 00:02
There is a minute preview on their myspace.
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