View Full Version : Heroes 1x23 *FINALE* *SPOILERS*
Xenomorph
22-05-2007, 06:24
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Thoroughly enjoyable finale. We all knew what was going to happen but getting to that point was a great ride. Syler was on great form and particularly brutal to Parkman and Petrelli. I'm glad he apparently lives on as he is a fantastic character.
No idea what to make of "Volume 2", looks like it's going to be going in a very different direction.
Now I have to go back to hating Mondays. Oh well.
Xenomorph
22-05-2007, 06:57
Oh yeah. One other thing. The person Molly spoke of who was worse than Syler presumably foreshadowing things to come. Must be some kind of psychic I would guess, evil Professor X type maybe.
Drysolder
22-05-2007, 07:53
Yeah, that was good - don't think it quite matched the build-up, but satisying nonetheless, although I wanted the final showdown to go on a bit longer than it did, and will Sylar team up with this new super-baddy Molly spoke about?
The 'Volume 2' bit didn't tell us anything, but I wonder what Hiro was saying - obviously a n0rty word?
But poor old Parkman, left riddled with bullets while the other Heroes gawped at Peter, Nathan and Clare.
Pablo_Escobar
22-05-2007, 08:20
I really felt let down. I mean I've loved every episode before this, even the ones that other people thought were fillers. But I feel cheated. We got a repeat of events that occured last week right at the begining. Then we got a bit of a filler. Then they rush to the end and everything there felt rushed as well.
So Charles tells peter not to worry about how he can see him.
Peter didn't even defend himself against Sylar.
Hiro just teleports in and stabs Sylar.
And the end didn't really have me screaming for more, for me personally it wasn't a cliff hanger as such. But I guess i'd probably be complaining if they left it as a real cliff hanger.
Was it a double episode in the end?
Pablo_Escobar
22-05-2007, 08:42
No! just a normal one hour episode.
they added another five mins or so
I thought it was pretty a pretty good ending
so we don't see these Heroes again in Volume 2? Or is it a continuation?
I always had this feeling in the back of my mind that Richard Roundtree would be back - never understood they he was only in the first episode
thought for a split second that at the end, Hiro would:-
a. see a dinosaur
b. say 'oh boy' in a Scott Bakula voice
Yatta!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Drysolder
22-05-2007, 09:24
so we don't see these Heroes again in Volume 2? Or is it a continuation?
Yatta!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We'll probably see Sylar again, that much was foreshadowed, and I imagine we'll see all the Heroes who were in the Plaza at some point.
Whether we'll see the Patrelli's again... Not sure.
Very rushed episode to be honest- most things seemed to be tied up very easily with hardly any tension - seemed as if they went off on the wrong tangent witrh this episode as it didn't quite fit the style of the rest.
The tension during the Suresh/HRG.Molly scene just seemed to vanish within seconds. The Candance (sp?) Vs. Nikki fight didn't really serve much of a purpose - hopefully she won't be dead and either way, she didn't phase back into anyone other than who we've seen her as already.
The Sylar Vs Peter fight turned into nothing once again....maybe they'll have a full on battle in a later episode?
Nathan in most likelihood is dead from radiation although who knows. Not entirely sure where they are going to go from here with regards to him/Peter.
At least they started to sow the seeds for someone possibly more powerful than Sylar. Wonder if this person is one of the original few who went rogue or is connected somehow to where Hiro is?
Linderman does actually appear to be dead, but who knows.
DL seemed to recover quite easily - pretty much dead last week, but this week he's up and moving around even though he's lost loads of blood by the look of things.
At least Molly can now be a sister to Mikah.
LeftHandedGuitarist
22-05-2007, 11:17
I too expected Hiro to say, "Oh boy!" at the end.
A thought occurred to me, though I don't know if it will make much sense given that Hiro can teleport back to the future (greato scott!) any time he wants... maybe he is the original sword master guy from all the legends his dad told him?
Peter/Sylar fight was indeed a let down, but I was still on the edge of my seat.
Mr. Bennet's first name is Noah!
Theoretically Peter could survive his explosion, yes? So all Nathan had to do was drop him off somewhere, let him explode then come back for him.
Also, it's been shown several times throughout the show (including this episode!) that to stop Peter exploding all you have to do is knock him out.
Nathan would have, in most probability, taken a lethal dose of radiation from Peter though, LeftHandedGuitarist - just like Ted did to his wife. That's why Peter said Claire was the only person who could get near enough to him to stop him.
LeftHandedGuitarist
22-05-2007, 11:49
Ah, of course. That slipped my mind.
So, quite possibly at the end of this series we have lost:
Nathan
DL (I think he'll survive)
Parkman (ditto)
Isaac
Linderman
Ted
Sylar (I doubt it).
Really disappointed with that finale, expected a lot more :(
unrealnils
22-05-2007, 12:11
can someone please conferm the length of this ep without ad breaks ??
42 mins ??
thanks
sweetmate
22-05-2007, 12:13
It's suddenly dawned on me - when and why did Peter lose Nathan's ability? He kept all the others after Eccleston taught him how, why didn't he just fly himself into space?
ManxMuppet
22-05-2007, 12:21
Bit of a let down if I'm honest. Not a bad episode but was expecting a few more twists as well as hints at what's coming next.
Why didn't Peter fly himself away? Blocked by the radiation ability i.e can't use more than one ability at a time perhaps .... ?
I've thought all along that Mr Bennett has the ability of not ageing, hence the horn-rimmed glasses - takes him a little while to catch up with current trends :) His name being Noah seems to back this up a bit as well.
I would say we're not going to see the majority of the characters again. Peter, Claire and Hiro would be my guesses as to the people taking us into volume 2. Maybe Bennett and Claire's Grandma as they seem to know a lot more about what's going on.
I expect Peter was concentrating more on all the radiation stuff than flying himself out of there.
As with most of you, enjoyable episode but not what I was expecting and for a season finale, cliffhanger or no cliffhanger, it was a let down. Still feels like there is more stuff to come this season.
I expect we won't see the likes of DL, Nikki etc.. again, but would expect to see HRG, Claire, Peter and of course we'll see Hiro. I'm thinking the guy at the end was the Swordsmaster Hiro always got told stories of. I fully expect Sylar to be seen again, they could have left him dead if they wanted his story to have ended. Nathan I think is dead. Also got a little hint to next season with the man who is worst than Sylar.
Still hoping for a real Peter/Sylar fight though!
can someone please conferm the length of this ep without ad breaks ??
42 mins ??
thanks
Just over 44 mins.
unrealnils
22-05-2007, 12:33
cheers mate !
ManxMuppet
22-05-2007, 12:37
Sylar lives so I'm wondering if he goes on to kill Candice and becomes Nathan, as the future has already shown.
Surely they've got to still run with the current plot if they're keeping a few characters. Unless Hiro takes them all back to 16th Century Japan!
Wonder if that Japanese warrior is Hiro's Pa ...
Wonder if that Japanese warrior is Hiro's Pa ...
Actually I was looking at the close up of the face and thinking 'That looks like George Takai'.
Hopefully they'll be a continuation next season and it's not started all over again with completely new characters. I expect the core of Hiro, Peter, Sylar, Claire and probably Bennett will be kept around along with the surviving 'Inner Circle Group' people. The rest of them were disposable so don't expect to see the likes of Nikki, DL etc.. again, there stories seem finished. Not sure on Mohinder or Nathan. Expect Nathan is dead to be honest. Good call on Sylar somehow still getting Candice's power, but without the bomb going off that whole plot of Nathan becoming President seems to be finished.
didn't quite live up to the build up but still miles better than any other show. I was hoping for more from the slyar vs peter showdown.
Scarface_Joker
22-05-2007, 13:27
With regards to Peter not flying away - didn't he say he couldn't do anything? I thought that Ted's power was maybe so great it prevented him from doing anything else?
The episode itself I thought was excellent. Sylar's bloodtrail at the end was inspired - a perfect homage to superhero lore: the main villain is never truly dead! ;)
Thomas_h
22-05-2007, 13:32
Way too rushed episode. I actually hope Parkman is going to die. What an idiot. "I'm a police officer! I think I can handle Sylar."
Riiight.. moron.
Drysolder
22-05-2007, 14:20
can someone please conferm the length of this ep without ad breaks ??
42 mins ??
thanks
44m 06s.
As for Peter, it had already been established that, unlike Sylar, Peter is only able to manifest one ability at a time.
Pablo_Escobar
22-05-2007, 14:26
44m 06s.
As for Peter, it had already been established that, unlike Sylar, Peter is only able to manifest one ability at a time.
I don't think it has to be honest! At the moment, it looks like thats the case. but in the Future ep he uses his invisibility and telekinesys at the same time!
I think I must have missed Sylars bloodtrail in the end. Maybe becuase I was so dissapointed, I didn't pay enough attention.
I'm thinking the guy at the end was the Swordsmaster Hiro always got told stories of.
I'm sure it was. He had the "heroes symbol" on his flag, just like is on the sword that Hiro got from Lindermans place. (which was Hiro's hero's sword.)
I don't think it has to be honest! At the moment, it looks like thats the case. but in the Future ep he uses his invisibility and telekinesys at the same time!
I think I must have missed Sylars bloodtrail in the end. Maybe becuase I was so dissapointed, I didn't pay enough attention.
When? If you mean, when he was at the bar, surely he could just have been moving the glass with his hand, whilst invisible?
unrealnils
22-05-2007, 14:43
Awesome!!!! what a show!!!!!!
Wasn't the parade finish it could have been but subtle and still quite good.
Really hope peter petrelli is alive as he's my fav character in the show.
Pablo_Escobar
22-05-2007, 15:18
When? If you mean, when he was at the bar, surely he could just have been moving the glass with his hand, whilst invisible?
Thats exactly what I thought when I saw that episode the first time, but if you look again he's already sitting in the chair when the glass moves into his hand.
Drysolder
22-05-2007, 15:28
I don't think it has to be honest! At the moment, it looks like thats the case. but in the Future ep he uses his invisibility and telekinesys at the same time!
Future ep is just an outside the box episode, and shouldn't really be counted in the timeline. I suspect the ability to use more than one abililty is an ability in itself, and Sylar absorbed it along the way.
I think I must have missed Sylars bloodtrail in the end. Maybe becuase I was so dissapointed, I didn't pay enough attention.
It was the bit that said "End of Volume 1", just before Hiro arrived Back To The Future.
Future ep is just an outside the box episode, and shouldn't really be counted in the timeline. I suspect the ability to use more than one abililty is an ability in itself, and Sylar absorbed it along the way.
really?
But it woudln't actually *be* an ability, if you didn't have other people's powers?
It's like a man being able to multi-task. What's the point when he's simply not going to cook AND iron at the same time?:shrug:
I'm sure it was. He had the "heroes symbol" on his flag, just like is on the sword that Hiro got from Lindermans place. (which was Hiro's hero's sword.)
I seem to remember the opposing army calling out "Kenzei" just before he comes over the hill too...
Echoing what others have said really, but the Peter/Sylar confrontation wasn't even as good as the one in Mohinder's apartment.
I'm firmly in the 'Peter can only use one power at a time' camp. That's why when he was going nuclear he couldn't fly away himself.
On the whole the episode was ok. I felt there was enough material there to stretch it out to a double length finale. I liked the reference to a worse bogie man, clearly laying groundwork for next season. I don't think Peter's dead, so hopefully the truly amazing confrontation between him and Sylar is still future.
Xenomorph
22-05-2007, 16:54
I'm going to stick my neck out and go with the guy on the horse being Kenzei who is in fact Hiro's dad and immortal and that the origin of the powers can be traced back to the eclipse.
Shingster
22-05-2007, 17:20
The 'Volume 2' bit didn't tell us anything, but I wonder what Hiro was saying - obviously a n0rty word?
Nah he just said "dai pinchu!" ie: Big Pinch!. Seems to be Hiro's favourite expression when he's in trouble (he screamed out "pinchu!" when they were about to be abducted by his dad's goons back when they were searching for Linderman). Not sure why they never translate the term literally, it's not like the US audience wouldn't know a Baseball term when they hear one. :suspect:
Anyway, obviously it isn't anything obscene, but in Japan it's a term associated with otaku (nerds/fanboys) speak, so it's in keeping with Hiro's former persona :D.
Drysolder
22-05-2007, 17:32
really?
But it woudln't actually *be* an ability, if you didn't have other people's powers?
It's like a man being able to multi-task. What's the point when he's simply not going to cook AND iron at the same time?:shrug:
I don't, it's pure speculation, but I think apart from Sylar, each of the Heroes only has one special ability. It was part of Peter's 'training' that he became able to control the abilities he absorbed, as speculated in the 'what if?' timeline, he may have fully mastered that ability to control more than one at once.
The whole point to Peter asking people to kill him was that he feared that he still could not control the power he absorbed, and was pretty paranoid about it overwhelming him.
I'm going to stick my neck out and go with the guy on the horse being Kenzei who is in fact Hiro's dad and immortal and that the origin of the powers can be traced back to the eclipse.
I'm going to stick my neck out and agree with you on the dad/kenzei/immortal part - that was what I thought when I saw it.
Enjoyed this episode alot, though agreed, another completely whack Syler/Peter fight.
Fact is, Hiro shouldn't have stopped cutting Syler up until he was sure he was dead. Seemed a little bit ridiculous to me that you'd stab him once, and almost then leave him to bleed out. NO, you'd then chop his head off, probably followed by limbs. This is Syler folks, one stab wound ain't getting the job done. Basically it's a clear cop-out from the writers who want Syler in season 2, which I can live with ;)
Quite enjoyed it except Sylar should have stayed dead, Thats what I liked about Buffy main villian died at the end of the season and it was all new for the next season, I would have prefered that
raymondlin
22-05-2007, 18:19
I would've thought Nicky could've smacked Syler into the other side of New York with that parking meter with ease, she hit him once and almost got him again when Peter stopped her.
George vader
22-05-2007, 18:30
So after what seems like an eternity, 6 months later......t.b.c....thanks but no thanks.
So after what seems like an eternity, 6 months later......t.b.c....thanks but no thanks.
Really, do you have no patience?
What a dreadful let down and a pile of poo. It's difficult to imagine just how they could have managed to screw that up so badly.
They must have screened the wrong version - that was the "Lets film a really crap ending that we can leak so the real mega ending will be a surprise" and then broadcast the wrong one scenario.
Damn but I'm dissapointed :(
Shingster
22-05-2007, 18:52
The physical confrontation with Sylar was very poorly thought out and handled, there can be no deny, but overall I thought it was a great finalé and I'm hoping the total lack of ambition with the big confrontation was purely down to them having a limited budget for this season. Hopefully next season they can hire a decent action director who will actually put some thought into these battle sequences and they'll have money to up the special effects.
So yeah, just to reiterate that I thought as an action finale, it was a big wet blanket, but the emotional involvement and growth of the characters in the finale act - not to mention the way they brought all the plot strands together - made up for it in a big way.
Fatbloke
22-05-2007, 19:02
I was expecting Hiro to decapitate Sylar as he lay there on the floor. Still he's a worthy adversary so I can live with him in another series.
It definitely looked like George Takei in that mask. I wonder what his power is.
When's it due to restart?
On the whole I enjoyed it, it wasn't the finale I thought it would be, but it did the job..
I had a few niggles with it.. but the series has been fantastic, so I can't complain.
I guess Nathan must have super hearing too - how he heard Peter say 'there's no other way'.. before swooping down to reply 'yes there is Claire' - I'll never know.
Wonder if there was any significance to the flash in Sylars eyes when he'd been stabbed - seemed to show all those he's killed for abilities.
I totally called the ending two weeks back here
http://www.thedvdforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7303908&postcount=11
:clap:
Enjoyed this lots. It wasn't what I thought it was going to be, but I certainly ain't disappointed.
Great end to a fantastic series, just a shame it wasn't 'greater'... :)
unrealnils
22-05-2007, 19:12
:suspect:
TeOtWaWkI
22-05-2007, 19:18
Great episode,disappointing 'fight'
I'm a wuss:i had fluid running out of my eye at the end...
I'm going to stick my neck out and agree with you on the dad/kenzei/immortal part - that was what I thought when I saw it.
And would tie in with tha fact that Volume 2 is called Generations.
robzinski
22-05-2007, 19:45
:|
Liked the way that Nikki inherited Jessica's power, but was it a combination of the nuclear power from Ted, and then the absorbing of Nikki's power made it super strong that Peter couldn't control it?
Anyone else wish Claire would've took the Grandma out the window with her?
How are they going to explain the sudden disapearance of a senator though?:suspect:
Also, was really hoping that Hiro was going to roll over and be confronted with the T-Rex!:nuts:
Wonder who the man who can see Molly is? Maybe the Haitian? Where's he disappeared off too, anyway? Surely it might have been handy having him around to stop the bomb?:thinking:
Bah, if Heroes finale throws up this many questions, how many is the Lost finale going to throw up?!?!?!:lol:
A bit disappointed with the ending here too - the build up was so much better and it just seemed a bit meh at the end!
Just thought after watching the little flashbacks at the start, when Bennet and the Haitian confronted Nathan outside of Las Vegas, how did he fly away? Surely the Haitian stops all powers being used?
LIGHTRAY
22-05-2007, 20:11
Well,underwhelmed with the confrontation at the end like most people, but still enjoyed the episode. (Also, have to agree about Parkman's sudden brain wipe, deciding to go after Sylar, very poor scripting.)
All seemed a bit rushed in the end, they should definitely have gone for a double-length episode to wrap this season up. (Another vote here for that being George Takei's character at the end.)
Wil be interesting to see where they go with the show in season 2, given the ending. Overall despite the botched finale, still the best show on tv this season.
:( Anti-climactic for me.
I was praying we wouldn't have a cut scene to Sylars body being missing, very, very cliched for a show that has operated outside those tricks for the most part. He should have been killed, and should have had a better send off.
NicolaUK
22-05-2007, 20:35
I found it a tad disappointing too :(
Anthony.S
22-05-2007, 20:49
It definitely looked like George Takei in that mask.
I agree. First thing I thought.
Any ideas to the significance of the eclipse? It's in the logo but this is the first time it has appeared, yes?
I wonder what his power is?
Apart from being nearly 400 years old? :D
"You look like a bad ass":notworthy
Too many shows have average episodes in a series and a killer finale to make you stick on in the next season. I thought this finale was just fine and didn't try to go on too long and build up a false level of excitement - if that makes any sense.
Outstanding season of television. Episode 20 was the best episode of TV I've ever seen.
"You look like a bad ass":notworthy
Too many shows have average episodes in a series and a killer finale to make you stick on in the next season. I thought this finale was just fine and didn't try to go on too long and build up a false level of excitement - if that makes any sense.
Outstanding season of television. Episode 20 was the best episode of TV I've ever seen.
Valid point. Maybe the reason it was a little anti-climactic was because the season as a whole has been so outstanding. I don't think I've enjoyed a shows first season as much since West Wing (though Lost comes close).
sleepy67
22-05-2007, 21:10
A flawed season finale. They should have had Claire shoot Peter, that would have given the episode a real emotional punch plus the emotional fallout would have been a good arc for next season, alas.
WTF Noah! Thats hardly worth 23 episodes of build up.
And whats with the cockroaches following Sylar?
Prufrock
22-05-2007, 21:10
I was right about Syler killing Eccleston. He was invisible on the Plaza. :p
William Shatners Wig
22-05-2007, 21:16
Superb season, let down by an average finale that was really nothing but "filler". I honestly think the last 2 episodes have been the weakest. What, apart from 'Noah', did the finale show us that we didn't already know in ep 22?
No characters were killed, stopped or advanced in any way at all.
Good, but VERY disappointing.
I was right about Syler killing Eccleston. He was invisible on the Plaza. :p
Claude's not dead yet.
Also felt a bit dissapointed was really looking for the big head to head. But overall a fantastic season and as said above episode 20 was TV at it's best.
When does S2 start, August?
And how many seasons have been bought so far?
Also i hope BBC really advertise this (and keep it in the same slot and channel regardless of whats on) as this could knock Lost off it's mantlepeice over here.
Shakey21
22-05-2007, 21:52
Finally got round to watching this and I probably won't be watching season 2. That ending was so bittersweat I nearly threw up. I almost gave this up about 5 episodes in but I ploughed on in the hope it would get better and it almost did, then this. What a load of crap.
Possibly the most over rated show I have ever seen.
Finally got round to watching this and I probably won't be watching season 2. That ending was so bittersweat I nearly threw up. I almost gave this up about 5 episodes in but I ploughed on in the hope it would get better and it almost did, then this. What a load of crap.
Possibly the most over rated show I have ever seen.
:eek:
Well, I loved it. Not disappointed one jot and I'm confused what people wanted from a final fight?
I think the two of them rising above the clouds and duking it out with laser beam eyes and big "S"s on their chests would have been totally unfitting for the style of the show.
Also loved:
"Didn't I kill you once?"
"It didn't take."
And found the girl saying "When I look at him, he looks back at me" really chilling and similar in feel to the "They're here" moment from Poltergeist.
In fact, I can't fault it. Well, except I also expected Hiro to be looking up at a T-Rex in the final scene :D
Tom Whitaker
22-05-2007, 22:27
Was taken by surprise by this show to start with, but for me it's somehow managed to go downhill towards the end, even when some of the later episodes were very good, in their own right.
I just get the feeling that the last few episodes have been enormously rushed, and the break didn't help things - I ended up wondering who knew who, who knew what, who wanted to do what and why... etc. For a show that's been lauded for constant developments and answers (rather than the Lost approach), it's seemed happy to be a little inconsistent and/or vague, too.
Nikki and Jessica - split personality or super power? Brushed over.
Nikki takes Sylar by surprise - even though we've seen him defend against such attacks before. Convenient.
Hiro 'kills' regenerating-Sylar (a power which we're led to believe would save someone from a nuclear explosion) with a single stab... incredibly lame.
Why did they think the explosion was inevitable? How did they come to know it was going to happen? What was all that plot about Hiro needing a particular sword? Filler, it now seems, with a dollop of "it's what's in your heart that counts!" Bleurgh.
A low-budget showdown I can handle, but I wanted some satisfying resolutions (shapeshifter lady becoming the fatty they've hinted at - that kind of thing) and some big surprises. We didn't get the former, and they forced the latter by ignoring some of the rules they've spent the whole thing establishing.
Fairly entertaining stuff, but could have been so much more, methinks. And Sylar lives? Oh, please no, he's absolutely dreadful! In fact, I think it's the double-reveals of annoying-baddy and is-he-bad-or-not Linderman that the real intrigue went out of the series. The flashbacks in tonight's episode (to Claire's first suicide jump, for example) only served to remind me of that.
Hiro 'kills' regenerating-Sylar (a power which we're led to believe would save someone from a nuclear explosion) with a single stab... incredibly lame.
Sylar hasn't got regenerating capabilities.
That's what the whole save teh cheerleader thing was about ;)
They saved her therefore he didn't get the ability to regenerate.
jackal792
22-05-2007, 22:35
How did the black dude see Peter at the end when Peter looks like he is having a vision?
Why didnt they just knock peter out at the end? He would not have died anyway?
Why didnt DL phase when shot even Nikki/Jessica asked!
Cockroache at the end is probably metaphorical describing sylar as a survivor
I think they are saving the sylar/peter fight for next season (As it will be a bad ass watching them use all sorts of powers) Or Sylar wont be able to kill the new scary guy so has to team up with the other heroes?
Sylar has survived being shot several times before now.... why would MrStabby cause him to die now?
Xenomorph
22-05-2007, 22:40
Sylar has survived being shot several times before now.... why would MrStabby cause him to die now?
No he hasn't. Everytime he was shot Im assuming he stops the bullets before they hit him.
He's not dead at any rate. And though he can't regenerate I'd be willing to bet with enough focus he can use his powers to close the wound until he can get to a hospital, he can rip skin apart so why not the opposite.
I'm not totally convinced they've stopped the bomb yet.
In the future episode Hiro said something like "I just stabbed Syler, wounded him and he got away". I don't belive the future episode was a "what if" episode, that was how the future was layed out as Hiro was trying to find out how to change that. I think all he did by going back and saying Save the Cheerleader, was to postpone the inevitable (Think Terminator 2/3 rules). The future is written in stone etc. Syler is still alive and chances are Peter is too (and maybe Nathan at a stretch) so the chances of one of them going nuclear is still a posibility.
Tom: Syler can't regenerate
Prufock: Syler hasn't killed Claude
Did I miss something as well? I thought Molly said she didn't look for the other guy as he could see her looking at him. Why is everyone saying he's more powerful than syler? She said he was worse than Syler, but doesn't mean he's more powerful, she could just be scared as he can see her.
Nikki and Jessica - split personality or super power? Brushed over.
Seemed quite clear to me. She has super strength and a split personality. This episode for the first time with the help of the 'bad' part of her personality she was able to use the strength while in a good phase in order to protect her family.
Nikki takes Sylar by surprise - even though we've seen him defend against such attacks before. Convenient.
He was a little distracted though!
Hiro 'kills' regenerating-Sylar (a power which we're led to believe would save someone from a nuclear explosion) with a single stab... incredibly lame.
He didn't ever get that power. Have you actually been following the plot?
The whole point of "save the cheerleader" was to prevent Sylar from being invincible!
Why did they think the explosion was inevitable? How did they come to know it was going to happen? What was all that plot about Hiro needing a particular sword? Filler, it now seems, with a dollop of "it's what's in your heart that counts!" Bleurgh..
Hiro had massive self doubt, and the sword was a placebo for him. At the end he realises that the sword is not required because he has the inner strength himself.
Several people knew of the explosion - it looks like the painter isn't the only one that could see the future. I don't think anyone REALLY believed it was inevitable, it's just the bad guys were going to use it to propel themselves into power.
Fairly entertaining stuff, but could have been so much more, methinks. And Sylar lives? Oh, please no, he's absolutely dreadful!
As someone mentioned - the way he left a blood trail to a drain was classic "superhero bad guy lives" stuff and it brought a smile to this old comic lover's face. I guess if you're not a fan of superhero comics then some of the stuff in this series might mean nothing to you.
unrealnils
22-05-2007, 22:45
Why didnt DL phase when shot even Nikki/Jessica asked!
imo the whole idea was to save his wife hence he didnt phase
i felt a bit let down too, think it really needed that extra episode (23 episodes seems a bit odd) with maybe one or 2 five minute face-offs between Sylar and Peter. They built up expectations of a big fight and then wussed out of it at the last minute.
I think things are better with a cliff hanger ending as you can decide for yourself how you think it would end and i would have loved it if they had a massive cliff hanger here and started afresh in the second series (which i though was the whole idea).
Also why were all the streets completely empty, i thought New York was the city that never sleeps yet there didn't appear to be another single person about.
The scarier boogie man i had taken to be Petrelli's mum as she seems to have her own agenda that we were never let in on, and she hasn't exactly been made out to be a likeable character.
I just hope Volume 2 won't disappoint.
Tom Whitaker
22-05-2007, 22:48
Ooooh eck. Yeah. Sorry. He can't regenerate. Whoops :)
In my defence, I did say that I think the break harmed the show (as I've clearly forgotten things and lost interest a bit). But I think everything else I've said stands - I don't care how distracted you can say Sylar was... as a viewer, I didn't feel it in the slightest.
And the other thing I forgot to say was how irritating the whole "oh no I'm going nuclear now" thing was. First up, after Ted's wife died, no-one seemed to care about radiation risks anymore. Secondly, it just feels horribly contrived - the writers bring it up whenever a bit of tension's needed.
Seemed quite clear to me. She has super strength and a split personality. This episode for the first time with the help of the 'bad' part of her personality she was able to use the strength while in a good phase in order to protect her family.What I meant was... is her split-personality part of the power, or just an emotional problem she has? I don't think the eventual merging of the two characters was handled very well. It just happened because... well... it's the finale!
As for the blood trail. No problem with that... if I wanted to see Sylar again. I just think he's a really lame baddy, probably because of the way he's played.
sparkyrob
22-05-2007, 22:54
I enjoyed it. There was never going to be an "X-Men 3" purge of characters so I was quite happy to sit back and soak it in. It's been the most consistently good show this year (aside from House), and the ending was more than satisfactory. Roll on series 2!
Sylar didn't use TK to stop the bullets Bennett fired at him (the comics reveal that)
When the scientist told HRG Sylar was dead we saw a cockroach near Sylar. We saw another one in the last episode. I think this is a nod to the fact that Sylar has the ability to appear dead when he's not (is it cockroaches that can be in blocks of ice for years and when it thaws out they're still alive?)
It would explain why the Heroes may have just checked Sylar for a pulse and then walked off when he had none.
Oh, and everything Woz said ;)
I think things are better with a cliff hanger ending as you can decide for yourself how you think it would end and i would have loved it if they had a massive cliff hanger here and started afresh in the second series (which i though was the whole idea).
But imagine the scene: All the heroes make their way to the red steps....Peter and Sylar face each other.....fade to black.....TO BE CONTINUED...
Think of the moaning there'd have been in this thread :lol:
cockbongo
22-05-2007, 23:10
It makes me laugh you know. That was a perfectly decent season finale and just because it was slightly lower key than expected, wasn't packed full of crazy FX and actually wasn't the best written show in the world, suddenly its "a huge disappointment", "a let down", etc. Its amazing how people react when they get brought down to earth with a thump and realise that their "best season of TV i've ever seen" is nothing of the sort...
The poster above has a point when he says Heroes is overrated. It is. Once or twice this season it's actually lived up to the hype ("Company Man" especially - absolutely superb) but in general it's actually a slightly above average superhero soap opera with delusions of grandeur after the producers actually started to believe their own press. Don't get me wrong, i enjoy it, but people need to see it for what it is. All the way through the finale (which i did quite enjoy by the way) I was thinking "oooh the rabid Heroes fanboys are going to hate this". Looks like they did.
That was quite an anti-climax in the end, in part because i was convinced that it was a 2hr ep and then it suddenly all came together really quickly & i realised.
For me I have to say that I was a little disappointed by it but do like a whole new setup for season 2.
What made me smile the most was seeing the cockroach though, remembered immediately a previous episode with Mohinder giving a lecture saying the Cockroach may be considered the most formidable life (or something like that) for how it is able to adapt and survive. This gives me confidence in the plan the writers have!
Maybe sylar is dead and someone dragged him to the sewer?
For me I have to say that I was a little disappointed by it but do like a whole new setup for season 2.
What made me smile the most was seeing the cockroach though, remembered immediately a previous episode with Mohinder giving a lecture saying the Cockroach may be considered the most formidable life (or something like that) for how it is able to adapt and survive. This gives me confidence in the plan the writers have!
That was in episode 1. He says if god were to come back to life he would come back as a cockroach.
Thought the finale could have been better TBH but judging it as a series alltogether it's been superb, breath of fresh air and I can't wait for season 2.
Underwhelming finale for me i'm afraid. I know this is only a tv-show, but I expected better with the Heroes vs Sylar smackdown. They were obviously hindered by budget/time constraints. I was hoping for some proper teamwork to take him down, but this was lacking. Dont get me wrong, compared to most shows, this was still good tv, but considering the previous high points of this series, I was hoping they would at least equal their finest moments. Not even that much of an exciting cliffhanger or set-up for Volume two.
Shingster
23-05-2007, 00:19
Ok, sorry for this rant, but there's so many silly comments in this thread:
Really, is there anyone above the age of 8 who doesn't know that Cockroaches are just about the most resilient creatures on the face of the planet? Do people really need the bleedin' symbolism of that final shot of the sewer cap and cockroach spelt out for them?
And why is it so hard for some to figure out that Peter Petrelli cannot use more than one power at a time in his current state? His inability to control these burgeoning powers has been signposted over and over again throughout the 2nd half of this series. He obviously should be able to use more than one power at a time once he's learned to control his abilities better, as they have shown us this in the "alternate future" episode.
Peter did not use Hiro's time travel technique, or Isaac's painting visions when he met up with Richard Roundtree's character. This appears to be an ability shared between these 2 characters, but i'm sure we'll learn more in the next season.
Oh and finally HIRO IS NOT GOING TO BE FIGHTING A LIVING T-REX! He fulfilled Isaac's "prophecy" when he obtained the fake Kensai sword in the museum - end of!
Ok that's better, sorry! :D
PS: Prufrock's comment about Sylar being invisible were a joke people! Surely me and him aren't the only ones thinking it was a bit convenient how everyone decided to ignore the wounded, but clearly not dead Sylar lying on the ground bleeding when the paramedics/police arrived.
To echo everyone else, wasn't the action packed finale I was expecting but still enjoyable. The "love will save the world" sentiment was a little sickly, but is that really any different from other comic book stories?
There has been lots of reports that the finale should be regarded as the last 3 episodes so when you think about it in this context it's not so much of a disappointment. They'd have been better to have delivered 22 & 23 as a double-bill, if not all three as a triple-bill! Probably would have been more satisfying to those that felt let down after all the anticipation.
Finally, agree with the Hiro's dad/Kenzei observations. Will be interesting to see where next season goes and who survives.
Spooky_uk
23-05-2007, 00:48
Oh and finally HIRO IS NOT GOING TO BE FIGHTING A LIVING T-REX! He fulfilled Isaac's "prophecy" when he obtained the fake Kensai sword in the museum - end of!
that's because its not a t-rex its a dragon as told in the kensei story. :p
jackal792
23-05-2007, 01:10
No he hasn't. Everytime he was shot Im assuming he stops the bullets before they hit him.
He's not dead at any rate. And though he can't regenerate I'd be willing to bet with enough focus he can use his powers to close the wound until he can get to a hospital, he can rip skin apart so why not the opposite.
There is a comic with sylar sewing himself up after being shot.
Shingster
23-05-2007, 01:37
that's because its not a t-rex its a dragon as told in the kensei story. :p
Ok now my head hurts even more :nuts:. I wish I didn't delete each episode after watching it once now! :D
Right iirc Isaac painted Hiro with a T-Rex, the Kensai tutorial in the museum say Kensai slew a Dragon? That right? Then Hiro stole the (fake) Kensai sword and posed with it in front of a T-Rex (thus fulfilling Issac's painting prophecy).
But everyone keeps saying they expected Hiro to have leaped back to the Dinosaur age and be confronted by a T-Rex, coz of the Isaac's painting, right? :help:
Oh sod it, I demand a Hiro vs. Dragon vs. T-Rex Battle Royale in s2, it's the only way to satisfy everyone! :dork:
William Shatners Wig
23-05-2007, 06:15
Ok now my head hurts even more :nuts:. I wish I didn't delete each episode after watching it once now! :D
Right iirc Isaac painted Hiro with a T-Rex, the Kensai tutorial in the museum say Kensai slew a Dragon? That right? Then Hiro stole the (fake) Kensai sword and posed with it in front of a T-Rex (thus fulfilling Issac's painting prophecy).
But everyone keeps saying they expected Hiro to have leaped back to the Dinosaur age and be confronted by a T-Rex, coz of the Isaac's painting, right? :help:
Oh sod it, I demand a Hiro vs. Dragon vs. T-Rex Battle Royale in s2, it's the only way to satisfy everyone! :dork:
LMAO - Exactly!! Hiro was NEVER going to confront a huge lizard of any kind. Isaac's vision was of Hiro and a T-Rex, that vision has already happened in the museum.
What exactly has this episode set up for next season that we didn't already know or haven't already seen, apart from Noah and a brief mention of a "power watcher"? We already knew that Hiro goes back to train a specific sword-based martial art, all this episode showed was how Hiro got to the particular time. I don't think that Season 2 will spend much time on Hiro's training, and will probably just show him coming back from training with his "new" Future Hiro look. One of the extra 7 flashback episodes will probably show Hiro in training.
Maybe its not Hiro's Dad who is Kensai but Hiro Himself, hence his bad-ass future self.
William Shatners Wig
23-05-2007, 06:40
One other thing... I wonder if the re-generating ability is anything like the phasing and teleporting abilities, in that holding onto someone else will allow them to re-generate too? If so, both Patrelli's could survive the explosion.
DrVenkman
23-05-2007, 06:49
All this talk about 'can Peter use more than one power at a time' is just covering up something the writers were way to lazy to cover themselves.
I was well dissapointed by this finale. It spent the first 5 or so minutes re-enacting everything we've already seen, then it actually has a bit of rushed plot, then ends on a whimper and then a cool cliffhanger to make everyone forget they've seen an awful resolution to the story.
I'm convinced that Tim Kring is one of the worst writers on TV right now.
robzinski
23-05-2007, 07:05
RE: Hiro & The T-Rex
I'm sure Tim Kring has come out and said after Hiro was in the Museum, that he would meet a proper T-Rex further down the line.
Brian Blessed Badger
23-05-2007, 07:38
Given the build up of the last few episodes it did feel a little meh, but it was reasonable enough - I think our expectations had risen a little high though
A few odd things
When Ando and the Cop visited the Issacs loft they made a point of showing blood on the floor both times - as Issacs death was a day or two prior to this (and Ando/Hiro had already visited the loft after Issacs death) this seemed odd - whose blood was it ?
Sylar eye flashes after being stabbed - these matched up with those shown at the start of the episode when he was in the loft - I presumed that as the future had been changed he was having another flashes about the "new" future
I reckon that Shaft is the best candidate we currently have for the one who can see Molly when she tries to find him given the weird Peter interlude
biggest let down in the history of finales!!!
I'll put odds on it Sylar has some some of self-repair ability although nowhere near Claire's level. He's taken some heavy knocks/falls eg when he fell with Peter at the high school - Peter took major bone etc damage and Sylar walked off - can't say he used telekenesis to cushion his fall there. Bit of a limp afterwards but fine in no time.
With a sword straight through him, not quite a case of sewing himself up.
can't say he used telekenesis to cushion his fall there.
no, he used Peter instead
wong fei hong
23-05-2007, 08:52
I'm convinced that Tim Kring is one of the worst writers on TV right now.
The backlash in this thread has now approached utter hilarity. The honeymoon period didn't last too long, did it? I hope Kring is ready for Russell T Davies levels of vilification next time he goes online.
Nowt wrong with the episode in my view. It was the same mix of character-driven drama and comic book cliches that has made the series fun. I know people wanted an effects blow-out finale for Peter and Sylar, but it was realistically never going to happen on a tv show like this. Better to have the main characters all in one place, united against Sylar, and united trying to stop Peter from exploding. Which is what happened.
I've thought all along that Mr Bennett has the ability of not ageing, hence the horn-rimmed glasses - takes him a little while to catch up with current trends :) His name being Noah seems to back this up a bit as well.I think his name is more of a reference to the way his character went in the future (and the direction he might take now): helping out heroes who are trying to escape some metaphorical "flood". Don't forget that Claire helped him choose those glasses just a few years ago.
Future ep is just an outside the box episode, and shouldn't really be counted in the timeline.I disagree, partly. We don't know how much of the future was because of the bomb going off and how much would have happened anyway (for example, it looks like Niki has finally freed herself of Jessica and learned to control her powers, and she did that before the bomb would have exploded). The future might not be inevitable but we were shown how many characters would be with the right push in one direction or another. There's a good chance that a lot of those traits will show up anyway in the future we end up with, so we can use it to get some hints of the way things will go.
Just thought after watching the little flashbacks at the start, when Bennet and the Haitian confronted Nathan outside of Las Vegas, how did he fly away? Surely the Haitian stops all powers being used?I think the Haitian needs to actively use (and target?) his power, and I don't believe they knew that Nathan could fly.
I'm looking forward to learning more about Charles. I said before that he may have the power to draw people to him -- all Peter needed to do was slip back in time to see him (and I wouldn't be surprised if his unconscious mind had better control over his powers to allow that). Or perhaps his power is in dreams, and although he physically died he lives on in some dream-state, where he can connect with other people.
I wouldn't be surprised if Niki, DL & Micah didn't return as regulars, as their stories can be seen to have ended. Molly seems important to the hinted-at new bad guy story, so I guess we'll see her (and maybe Niki et al in a few episodes since they'll likely take her in).
Nathan could have survived the explosion if he let go of Peter, but it would have been risky and the radiation would still have got him. I think he's dead and, as somebody said before, without Linderman his presidential dreams are over anyway. Peter could easily have survived, since he survived in the alternate timeline.
Can't wait for Volume Two proper.
Oh, about the two breaks in this season: the alternative was to have occasional shorter breaks throughout the season, instead of two predictable gaps that can be written around. I prefer it the way we had it: if I've got to wait for an episode, I don't mind waiting a bit longer if it means I don't have to wait again later.
great tv and a great ending!!!!!
nicely ties things up for the next series.
I seriously belive that some of the people who post here have not watched all of the series!
Disappearer
23-05-2007, 09:09
Wow. Ok, so they kind of blew their wad - so to speak - with the excellent episode 20, but I'm quite surprised with the level of criticism directed at the finale. It could've done with a double-length episode but I think they wrapped up the story pretty well given the limitations of a TV budget. I mean, was anybody really expecting a full on superhero smack-down?
Anybody surprised by Sylar's escape really don't know their comic book stories. Sylar's a super villain - they always live to come back with a new evil plan!
Was just thinking about Sylar and the blood trail to the manhole.
There's actually a second, though probably not true, possibility here.
What's to say Sylar didn't actually drag himself down into the sewers? The exists the possibility that he is dead/critically injured and someone else actually pulled him along.
Was just thinking about Sylar and the blood trail to the manhole.
There's actually a second, though probably not true, possibility here.
What's to say Sylar didn't actually drag himself down into the sewers? The exists the possibility that he is dead/critically injured and someone else actually pulled him along.
Maybe the cockroaches did it.
Was just thinking about Sylar and the blood trail to the manhole.
There's actually a second, though probably not true, possibility here.
What's to say Sylar didn't actually drag himself down into the sewers? The exists the possibility that he is dead/critically injured and someone else actually pulled him along.
Someones already mentioned that. If I was Suresh I'd have hidden Sylar quick, then experimented on him :)
MetalGearAl
23-05-2007, 09:17
Heroes certainly does seem to get overrated by many, I hear "amazing" and "best show ever" said too much about it - I just think it's "quite good"; delusions of grandeur indeed.
That said my only real disappointment with the finale was that it wasn't a feature-length ending. It felt like it could have done with it and was rather rushed, particularly the final battle.
I did think the scene with Claire struggling to shoot Peter and Nathan landing in was great though, quite poignant. I did wonder myself why Peter didn't fly up himself but I guess he was concentrating too much on not detonating.
I enjoyed the ending too with the main plot strand being tied up and all the characters developing and reaching resolutions in their arcs.
@rampant: I do wonder about that myself given some of the the comments here.
@MetalGearAl: Everyone has their likes and dislikes so some will say a show is amazing and others will absolutely hate it and a lot of people like Heroes but that doesn't mean everyone will.
...but was it a combination of the nuclear power from Ted, and then the absorbing of Nikki's power made it super strong that Peter couldn't control
Yes I think that that is the reason for Peter losing control. He always does to some degree when he meets a new powered person. Combined with the stress of confronting Sylar...this is also why I think Nathan can survive i.e. he was not exposed to radiation from Ted's ability, rather it was merely Peter going into overload. Nathan could easily take him up into the sky and drop him and fly out of range.
(Also, have to agree about Parkman's sudden brain wipe, deciding to go after Sylar, very poor scripting.)
I don't think Parkman has confronted Sylar in the past so he obviously doesn't know what he is capable of...
Brian Blessed Badger
23-05-2007, 09:23
I don't think Parkman has confronted Sylar in the past so he obviously doesn't know what he is capable of...
Didn't they meet when Sylar tried to get to Molly in the police station when he was working with the FBI agent ?
Great episode, but surely we could have just used the Haitian to stop anyone blowing up!
Where the heck was he?????
wong fei hong
23-05-2007, 09:28
The Haitian works for Mrs Petrelli... who wanted the blowing up to happen.
Didn't they meet when Sylar tried to get to Molly in the police station when he was working with the FBI agent ?
Yes.
PArkman shot him. He fell over, then got up and ran off.
Didn't they meet when Sylar tried to get to Molly in the police station when he was working with the FBI agent ?Yes you are right but Parkman would not have gained much knowledge about his ability from that confrontation alone. It's still a bit idiotic to go after Sylar without back up but I think to some degree it makes sense.
Grandmaster
23-05-2007, 09:39
I don't see any problem with the ending myself, and while it was a low-key conclusion it was a satisfying one IMO. Peter was unable to control himself so was no match for Sylar. The only disappointment for me was Hiro's takedown.
With regards the Richard Rowntree character, surely his ability is to summon people into his own reality? If Peter can only use one power at a time, it's obviously not Peter who did the hard work as he was using his invisibility ability at the time.
Someones already mentioned that. If I was Suresh I'd have hidden Sylar quick, then experimented on him :)
Must have missed that bit.
Or it could be Sylar himself that pulled himself into the sewer......
What's to say in the future Sylar doesn't get Candace's ability, and possibly Claire's - then becomes President etc.
Future Hiro was killed (or so we think) and there's always the possibility that Sylar takes his power and jumps back to save himself in an alternative timelines and then it just gets a bit silly.....
cpheonix
23-05-2007, 09:48
An ok conclusion, definitely felt rushed though. I also didnt realise how bad an actor HRG is until this episode. And still a few unanswered questions, like wtf did Petrelli's mum have to do with everything.
Also was anyone else annoyed that throughout the whole series Linderman was built up as some super-baddie or power, yet became a nothing character?
And did I miss something but couldnt Clare just shoot Peter so only he died rather then him and Nathan? Or would've Peter still exploded even if he got shot in the head?
wong fei hong
23-05-2007, 09:54
Peter wasn't going to die from the explosion, in fact the combination of Claire's ability and Ted's own immunity to his powers meant that Peter was certain to survive. He survived in the alternate future even without the healing ability.
Isn't it possible that if Nathan is dead, and Sylar's alive, that Sylar may still take the shapshifting power and assume position in Congress with Mrs Petrelli's knowing approval? She just wants to be the power behind the throne, and any mug will do.
And Linderman planned to blow up New York, killing millions for a notion of a 'better' world. That his power was benign was a supreme bit of irony - he's about as super as super-baddies get.
I'm convinced that Tim Kring is one of the worst writers on TV right now.
yeah that's right mate :cuckoo:
Also was anyone else annoyed that throughout the whole series Linderman was built up as some super-baddie or power, yet became a nothing character?He's been pulling a lot of strings, and is responsible for a lot of what happened in this season. I don't think that's "nothing" -- we just didn't see him an awful lot.
And did I miss something but couldnt Clare just shoot Peter so only he died rather then him and Nathan? Or would've Peter still exploded even if he got shot in the head?Peter wouldn't have exploded but he'd have been dead, properly. But we've been told that he could likely survive the explosion, so Nathan sacrificed himself to save Peter (who is surely not dead). One brother dies either way, so we've lost the one who wasn't strong enough to resist becoming a villain instead of the extremely powerful one who seems to be vitally important to the Heroes story (especially given his encounter with Charles, which sets him up to play a big future part).
cockbongo
23-05-2007, 10:20
The backlash in this thread has now approached utter hilarity. The honeymoon period didn't last too long, did it? I hope Kring is ready for Russell T Davies levels of vilification next time he goes online.
I agree, it's particularly funny. Mind you, the one thing I can genuinely point to as being wrong with the episode is the dialogue - Noah Bennet had some truly *awful* lines. But thats not to say that there hasn't been plenty in previous episodes. People seem to think that we've had 22 episodes of TV gold and then what, episode 23 comes along and craps all over the legacy of our favourite show? Nope. It was a fittingly above average finale for an above average series.
Calling Tim Kring the worst writer working in TV just now is taking things a bit far, however.....
raymondlin
23-05-2007, 10:21
He's been pulling a lot of strings, and is responsible for a lot of what happened in this season. I don't think that's "nothing" -- we just didn't see him an awful lot.
True, but he sure got killed and out of the story rather easily and quickly
Peter wouldn't have exploded but he'd have been dead, properly. But we've been told that he could likely survive the explosion, so Nathan sacrificed himself to save Peter (who is surely not dead). One brother dies either way, so we've lost the one who wasn't strong enough to resist becoming a villain instead of the extremely powerful one who seems to be vitally important to the Heroes story (especially given his encounter with Charles, which sets him up to play a big future part).
But we also know that by make him black out can also stop the power, unless not this time and he actually needs to explode once so he knows the limits thus able to control it in the future.
Ok mind gone blank, where did Parkman and Molly meet the first time? And how was she used in previous episodes? I’m thinking I have missed one.
So the comics on the website, are they worth going through? It’s blocked at work, but I can have a look when I get home
Parkman uses his power for the first time at a Sylar crime scene and finds Molly in a hidden room...the family that were killed were the Walker's.
Parkman uses his power for the first time at a Sylar crime scene and finds Molly in a hidden room...the family that were killed were the Walker's.
so he was looking for her for her power? i wonder which episode that was, i knew i missed 1 but maybe it was 2
You're referring to Sylar? It was episode 2; it's also the first time we see Audrey (blonde FBI agent).
Ragnarak
23-05-2007, 10:47
I'm looking forward to learning more about Charles. I said before that he may have the power to draw people to him -- all Peter needed to do was slip back in time to see him (and I wouldn't be surprised if his unconscious mind had better control over his powers to allow that). Or perhaps his power is in dreams, and although he physically died he lives on in some dream-state, where he can connect with other people.
Don't we know it's a dream-state type thing? Didn't Peter have the dreams about flying etc after being in contact with Charles? I thought it was speculated ages ago that he had a dream power.
ManxMuppet
23-05-2007, 10:54
so he was looking for her for her power? i wonder which episode that was, i knew i missed 1 but maybe it was 2
Didn't Sylar kill Molly's father for his power? Seems to me like he didn't know Molly was there/had any power.
What was Molly's father's power and wasn' he frozen by Sylar? Where did he get this ability from if so?
Is there a list of his abilities and who he got them each from? Would certainly help!
Is there a list of his abilities and who he got them each from? Would certainly help!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylar
thanks for the link :)
Tom Whitaker
23-05-2007, 11:01
Still don't see why Peter couldn't have been knocked out...
ManxMuppet
23-05-2007, 11:03
Yeah, thanks for that :)
So any speculation as to his 3 unknown powers?
Peter wasn't going to die from the explosion, in fact the combination of Claire's ability and Ted's own immunity to his powers meant that Peter was certain to survive. He survived in the alternate future even without the healing ability.
He did have the healing ability in the future though, surely? I still think he'd survive though - he said in the future episode that it was he who exploded, and yet he survived, so why wouldn't he survive??
dannywonderful
23-05-2007, 11:28
I think it's almost certain that Peter would survive and Nathan would die.
The fate of Wireless as revealed in the online graphic novels was well done I thought.
wong fei hong
23-05-2007, 11:46
He did have the healing ability in the future though, surely? I still think he'd survive though - he said in the future episode that it was he who exploded, and yet he survived, so why wouldn't he survive??
I really don't think he did have the healing ability, and that's why he had the big scar. In that future, he'd never had any contact with Claire as Mr Bennet had hidden her away - but because they didn't save the cheerleader, the events weren't in place to avert the explosion.
Without Claire being ready to kill Peter, Nathan would never have come up trumps and sacrificed himself.
so is the comic worth doing? can it be downloaded?
DrVenkman
23-05-2007, 12:06
Calling Tim Kring the worst writer working in TV just now is taking things a bit far, however.....
I don't think it is. He wrote the Pilot episodes and this one, and it's not coincidence that they were the worst episodes.
I like the show, and will continue to watch, but I still cringe at most of the lines that man has written.
Every plot moment is awkward and rushed, having characters make completely non-sensical decisions purely because Kring needs them in a certain place. Parkman is a prime example of this.
He's a lazy writer above all else, and setting up Season 2 in a 'cool' way does not redeem him at all.
How can anyone say that a force choke, a couple of slaps in the face and a quick stab of the sword is a satisfying conclusion for a conflict that they've been hyping up nearly all season?
The less said about that scene with Richard Roundtree the better.
I really don't think he did have the healing ability, and that's why he had the big scar. In that future, he'd never had any contact with Claire as Mr Bennet had hidden her away - but because they didn't save the cheerleader, the events weren't in place to avert the explosion.
So when we watched "5 years gone" (or whatever), then it was a completley *impossible* future?
Either way, Peter should still have survived the explosion this time round, if he did last time.
so is the comic worth doing? can it be downloaded?
http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novels_library.shtml
George vader
23-05-2007, 12:34
Really, do you have no patience?
Patience!!!!!!!
What do you call the past 6 months!!!!!!
Patience!!!!!!!
What do you call the past 6 months!!!!!!
Excellent TV?
Excellent TV?
No question about it, Heroes has been that.
I guess what we all wanted was a kicksplode ending and instead got something a bit more mellow, it did need a longer running time and considering the last 22 episodes of build up it was always going to disappoint I suppose.
Still, overall a great series, looking forward to Season 2.
Disappearer
23-05-2007, 13:23
I don't think it is. He wrote the Pilot episodes and this one, and it's not coincidence that they were the worst episodes.
He may get the overall "Written by" credit, but that's not the way it works in US TV. It's not a case of "You go off and write this episode, I'll write that one". The whole thing will have been brainstormed by all the writers together; the person who gets "Written by" is the one who pieces it all together and puts it into shooting script form.
Every plot moment is awkward and rushed, having characters make completely non-sensical decisions purely because Kring needs them in a certain place. Parkman is a prime example of this.
...
The less said about that scene with Richard Roundtree the better.
I'm not sure what non-sensical decisions you're referring to...?
I liked that scene a lot and it joined up a few dots moving Peter's development along...
I'm betting we'll see Charles in season 2, probably showing Peter how to use and control his powers. I don't think his significance will end there either.
Ian Vinten
23-05-2007, 14:51
So when does S2 start?
unrealnils
23-05-2007, 15:19
October/november i think
andybhoy
23-05-2007, 15:22
All this talk about 'can Peter use more than one power at a time' is just covering up something the writers were way to lazy to cover themselves.
I can't really think of any occasions where he used more than one power at once. And then he's about to explode and kill millions, so not really surprised he can't control other powers, while he's failing to control that one.
I don't see that the writers were lazy - we don't need spoonfed with "guys, I can on ly control one power at a time".
I'm convinced that Tim Kring is one of the worst writers on TV right now.
Why?
It might start later than that...I had heard that they might do a "24" and run non stop i.e. they would have to start late.
DrVenkman
23-05-2007, 15:41
He may get the overall "Written by" credit, but that's not the way it works in US TV. It's not a case of "You go off and write this episode, I'll write that one". The whole thing will have been brainstormed by all the writers together; the person who gets "Written by" is the one who pieces it all together and puts it into shooting script form.
Actually Kring did write those first few episodes alone, and I know how the writing on US TV works. In the Wizard interview with Damon Lindelof they talk about Kring writing the pilot scripts.
It's certainly true for the rest of the episodes - Kind of. The writers pitch different ideas to Kring and then its worked into an overall plot. Greg Berman just spoke recently about various writers pitching stories for Season 2.
I can't really think of any occasions where he used more than one power at once. And then he's about to explode and kill millions, so not really surprised he can't control other powers, while he's failing to control that one.
I don't see that the writers were lazy - we don't need spoonfed with "guys, I can on ly control one power at a time".
Someone over on the Somethingawful forums posted various interviews from various different times with the writers, and they keep flip-flopping on the answer. The answer really should be, "When the plot calls for it".
And if we count 'Five Years Gone' (And I don't see why we suddenly can't), Peter uses two powers in that (When he's invisible and moves the glass).
Why?
I mentioned the reasons earlier, but there's simply things he doesn't do very well. And I think the finale highlighted them all. Bad dialogue, characters functioning as the plot dictates, the return of Suresh's uneeded narration and so forth...
He's a massive case of style over substance and it's a shame, because with the right writer 'Heroes' could be great, rather than 'good'.
And if we count 'Five Years Gone' (And I don't see why we suddenly can't), Peter uses two powers in that (When he's invisible and moves the glass).I'm pretty sure that Niki slides the glass over to him in that scene. In any case it's 5 years in the future when he would have had time to work on controlling his abilities.
Clearly Peter had a lot to deal with in trying to contain his overload and I think most people would agree that pulling out a specific power to use i.e. flight would be very difficult.
DrVenkman
23-05-2007, 15:50
I'm pretty sure that Niki slides the glass over to him in that scene. In any case it's 5 years in the future when he would have had time to work on controlling his abilities.
No, Peter does it. You see the glass move and then you see Peter sat on the stool.
Point is that the writers don't even know at this point. And it's that kind of blatant bad writing that annoys me the most.
sparkyrob
23-05-2007, 15:59
I have a feeling that Heroes is going to become the new Doctor Who on this forum...
No, Peter does it. You see the glass move and then you see Peter sat on the stool.
I don't see how you can be 100% sure, as I thought it was Niki too.. you hear the glasses clink together like she was pushing the other one away with her glass toward Peter. If Peter were to just move the glass towards himself, why would the glasses touch. (i've watched it many times)
Basically, no one can be sure that Peter does it himself. So no one can be sure that he can't use more than one power at once.. until as said previously, an episode will come up when he has to try.
Shingster
23-05-2007, 16:25
I reckon that Shaft is the best candidate we currently have for the one who can see Molly when she tries to find him given the weird Peter interlude
Unless there's a big twist coming about his character, I very much doubt it. The way Molly talks about the guy who can see her, he seems to eminate an evil presence/intent - hence the reason she said he was worse than Sylar. No I think it's more likely to be a new, very powerful character who might be the reason The Company turned bad?
I think the Haitian needs to actively use (and target?) his power, and I don't believe they knew that Nathan could fly.
Yeah they definitely didn't know he could fly, way back when Eden learnt of a hero that could manipulate time, Bennett didn't know who it was and responded like he'd never heard of that ability before.
I'm looking forward to learning more about Charles. I said before that he may have the power to draw people to him -- all Peter needed to do was slip back in time to see him (and I wouldn't be surprised if his unconscious mind had better control over his powers to allow that). Or perhaps his power is in dreams, and although he physically died he lives on in some dream-state, where he can connect with other people.
Definitely not Hiro's time travel ability. It appears he was dreaming because we heard Bennett calling out to him while he was still there on the roof, we then saw that Peter had been lying unconscious on the street all this time.
andybhoy
23-05-2007, 16:28
I have a feeling that Heroes is going to become the new Doctor Who on this forum...
I don't - Heroes drips with quality from start to finish. Something Who could only dream of.
I just read the latest Behind the Eclipse Q&A and it seems that Candice is meant to be fat...was that fight or her being knocked out an illusion?
DrVenkman
23-05-2007, 16:48
I just read the latest Behind the Eclipse Q&A and it seems that Candice is meant to be fat...was that fight or her being knocked out an illusion?
A few people have mentioned that actually. Being as she was knocked out we should see her as she really is.
sleepy67
23-05-2007, 17:27
A few people have mentioned that actually. Being as she was knocked out we should see her as she really is.Not necessarily, some powers don't need the person to be awake or even alive to operate. So its possible that even when KO or asleep Candice can maintain a core illusion.
Or the writers screwed it up.
unrealnils
23-05-2007, 17:30
claire and peter were dead but still regenerated
Spooksta
23-05-2007, 17:33
Maybe sylar is dead and someone dragged him to the sewer?
and ate his brain :thumbs:
I think people are forgetting Sylar KNEW he was going to get killed. I think he let Hiro stab him to survive another day and change the future.
Great episode if a little low key but still the best show in town.
And dont forget the DVD's!!
Or the HD DVD!!!
unrealnils
23-05-2007, 21:36
hd dvd i cant wait gonna be my b-day present to myslef :notworthy !!!!
anephric
23-05-2007, 21:54
I thought it was really nice that Nathan comes through in the end
I may have filled up a little bit when he and Peter said they loved each other. Bless.
I found the clip of season 2 more interesting tbh. The showdown was over far too quick. Its been a fantastic series let down by a diappointing end
Prufrock
23-05-2007, 22:57
Claude's not dead yet.
How was Sylar invisible on the Plaza, then?
cpheonix
23-05-2007, 23:44
I cant remember that Sylar was invisible in the plaza. He just showed up but there was no invisibility involved.
Spooky_uk
24-05-2007, 00:09
How was Sylar invisible on the Plaza, then?
he was not invisible. :brickwall Claude NOT dead.
Tim Kring has confirmed Ecclestone is in talks to guest star again in season 2..
Shingster
24-05-2007, 00:37
lol I thought Prufrock was joking when he posted about this first time!
Question about Volume 2 Generations.
Will it be completely Subtitled?
I like how they've kept Hiro speaking Japanese when speaking directly with his buddy. Make's it more realistic as why would they speak english to each other.
Question now is why on earth would Hiro speak english now he is in ancient Japan? I'm assuming it will be subtitled which will be fine with me.
Grandmaster
24-05-2007, 08:02
I like how they've kept Hiro speaking Japanese when speaking directly with his buddy. Make's it more realistic as why would they speak english to each other.
That kind of went to pot when they were talking with Future Hiro though...
I liked the fact that the big battle wasnt that much of a battle. Once youve seen one fight youve seen them all sometimes, and its good that they makers dont want to blow their load as it were.
A flawless season IMO.
ManxMuppet
24-05-2007, 08:53
Linderman will be back if you ask me. He won't have invested all that time and effort in bringing Nikki and DL together to have Micah and basically control their lives so he can get his hands on Micah to fix the election, without having some sort of contingency plan.
hookbeak
24-05-2007, 21:48
good episode, good ending.
Why people thought that a show that has always taken the low key approach would suddenly turn into an xmen 3 smackdown in the last 15 minutes is beyond me.
I don't - Heroes drips with quality from start to finish. Something Who could only dream of.
:thumbs:
Indeed, the two don't compare.
Loved this series, beaten for me only by Rome as fav program of 2007 so far.
When is the HDDVD set out?
sweetmate
25-05-2007, 09:58
When is the HDDVD set out?
28th August.
That kind of went to pot when they were talking with Future Hiro though...
Future Hiro had been living in the States (we assume) for five years and could easily have become more accustomed to speaking English. :dork:
Mr Majestik
25-05-2007, 15:27
Mr M's prediction for next season. The new big bad is mega creepy and is all ways followed by loads of bugs. Hence the cockroach on the sewer lid...
MC Rubber Chicken
25-05-2007, 17:09
i think the guy/thing/what ever, that took sylar's body to the sewers was the really bad man that molly was talking about that not even she can see... would make sense.......
or maybe ando wants to eat sylars brain so make him a super hero lol....
I was reading an interview with the creator which mentioned the fact a cockroach can live for days without his head so maybe Sylar obtained the cockroaches "powers" crawling in to the sewer,enabling him to heal.
I was reading an interview with the creator which mentioned the fact a cockroach can live for days without his head so maybe Sylar obtained the cockroaches "powers" crawling in to the sewer,enabling him to heal.
That could work, Sylars power is to be able to understand how things work, so I suppose there's no reason why he couldn't examine a cockroach and take on its abilities too...
That could work, Sylars power is to be able to understand how things work, so I suppose there's no reason why he couldn't examine a cockroach and take on its abilities too...
He does it by eating their brains, somehow I don't think that would be feasible
Xenomorph
25-05-2007, 18:40
He does it by eating their brains, somehow I don't think that would be feasible
I honestly don't think he does.
Sylar's power I think it to understand how things work. Hence his original career of watch repair.
I suspect he studies the brains and figures out how to do it for himself. That's all.
I further suspect Peter wasn't originally capable of recalling previous powers at will. I think he gained Sylar's power and from that point forward could keep the powers he absorbs as like Sylar he understands how they work now.
I honestly don't think he does.
Sylar's power I think it to understand how things work. Hence his original career of watch repair.
I suspect he studies the brains and figures out how to do it for himself. That's all.
Bryan Fuller has stated in a podcast that Sylar's aquisition of power has always been a vague subject. The writers are always discussing that he eats the brains and absorbs the DNA and they kept it vague because they worried about the silliness of the 'zombie' comparison.
I further suspect Peter wasn't originally capable of recalling previous powers at will. I think he gained Sylar's power and from that point forward could keep the powers he absorbs as like Sylar he understands how they work now.
Did you not see the scenes with Peter and Claude? :shrug:
He does it by eating their brains, somehow I don't think that would be feasible
That's never actually been made clear. It's just as likely that he examines their brains in some way and can reconfigure his own.
Ddon't forget his specific power is to see how things work, for example he didn't have to eat a watch to be able to be an expert at repairs.... also in the future episode when he was disguised as Nathan Petrelli he was talking about how events would unfold and repeated that "he could see how things work" so it's more than a simple ingestation trick he is doing...
Bryan Fuller has stated in a podcast that Sylar's aquisition of power has always been a vague subject. The writers are always discussing that he eats the brains and absorbs the DNA and they kept it vague because they worried about the silliness of the 'zombie' comparison.
As others have since said, this hasn't actually been shown on screen :shrug:
Grandmaster
25-05-2007, 19:37
In fairness, have we actually seen any brains at all? They are definitely removed from the corpse are they not? Assuming Sylar merely examines them, where do they actually go?
As others have since said, this hasn't actually been shown on screen :shrug:
because things aren't shown on screen they don't happen? :cuckoo:
andybhoy
25-05-2007, 19:43
because things aren't shown on screen they don't happen? :cuckoo:
Eating the brains doesn't make sense. None whatsoever. In fact it's a bit :cuckoo:
I'd be very disappointed if they decided to make it explicit that he eats brains. Well, not very disappointed, just a bit "meh".
Eating the brains doesn't make sense. None whatsoever. In fact it's a bit :cuckoo:
I'd be very disappointed if they decided to make it explicit that he eats brains. Well, not very disappointed, just a bit "meh".
Exactly, and it wouldn't actually explain how his powers have been presented, the brain thing is his mechnaism for gaining powers as opposed to the actual source of his power, if you see what i mean.
I can't recall ever seeing or remember it being mentioned that the brains have been removed. AFAIK he just cut open their head to see inside and use his "ability" ie. see how they work. Have to agree with others that the whole eating the brains idea is a bit silly. Which is mostly likely why even if the writers have discussed it it's never made it into the show.
Xenomorph
25-05-2007, 19:57
Bryan Fuller has stated in a podcast that Sylar's aquisition of power has always been a vague subject. The writers are always discussing that he eats the brains and absorbs the DNA and they kept it vague because they worried about the silliness of the 'zombie' comparison.
Maybe, I'm not convinced. The fact he repairs watches is too much of a coincidence.
Did you not see the scenes with Peter and Claude? :shrug:
Yes. Which happend after he met Sylar.
I'm betting if he had met Claude before Sylar he wouldn't have been able to recall powers.
Xenomorph
25-05-2007, 19:59
In fairness, have we actually seen any brains at all? They are definitely removed from the corpse are they not? Assuming Sylar merely examines them, where do they actually go?
I reckon he has jars on a shelf somewhere.
I reckon the writers haven't decided which way to go with it. Eating brains is crap but easy for people to understand. The alternative suggested by others takes a bit more thought to get a handle on.
OK, here's the excerpt from the interview of Bryan Fuller explaining Sylar's powers:
http://www.snapdrive.net/files/354522/sylar.wma
Shingster
25-05-2007, 20:26
I thought a character revealed in one of the last few episodes that Sylar is eating the brains? Was it Molly? Darn my memory! :thinking:
Xenomorph
25-05-2007, 20:27
OK, here's the excerpt from the interview of Bryan Fuller explaining Sylar's powers:
http://www.snapdrive.net/files/354522/sylar.wma
That's *very* dissapointing, the other suggestion is much more sensible, that's just crap.
Hopefully Kring will smack Fuller around a bit and sort it out.
I think there just taking the easy way out, much easier to say he eats the brains then explain what I tried to explain in a way most people will get.
andybhoy
25-05-2007, 20:34
That's *very* dissapointing, the other suggestion is much more sensible, that's just crap.
Hopefully Kring will smack Fuller around a bit and sort it out.
I think there just taking the easy way out, much easier to say he eats the brains then explain what I tried to explain in a way most people will get.
As far as I am concerned, I will just carry on treating it as him working out how brains/powers work, rather than the rather crap "he eats the brains" bull.
Xenomorph
25-05-2007, 20:40
As far as I am concerned, I will just carry on treating it as him working out how brains/powers work, rather than the rather crap "he eats the brains" bull.
Agreed.
The snippet clearly indicates that Sylar's power is to be able to see things work but in order to acquire the power he needs to ingest and absorb the brain of the individual since that is the source of their power.
Funny Comic (http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comics/20070514.jpg)
because things aren't shown on screen they don't happen? :cuckoo:
I didn't say that, but we can;t know they happen if we haven't seen them.
This is a snippet of an interview with Tim Kring. No spoilers in link.
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20015859,00.html
Does Sylar (Zachary Quinto) get his power by eating brains?
''That's the popular speculation,'' laughs Kring. ''There is a connection between the poewrs and the brain — and Sylar has found [it]. Early in season 2, you'll find out what he's been doing with the brains.''
DrVenkman
26-05-2007, 10:26
Sylar doesn't eat their brains. There's a few shots showing his victims and their Brains are fully intact.
Having him eat them just makes no sense whatsoever. The fact he's a watchmaker was clearly linked to his power. He could tell what was wrong with a watch just from looking at it, and it's the same with his powers. He sees how a power works and is able to emulate it.
It at least confirms that they're making it up as they go along.
The whole series was excellent but the finale was disappointing the fight scene ended too quickly.
36Degrees
28-05-2007, 02:39
Having finally watched all these (had the last five to go) - the finale was disappointing, I guess we were all expecting a massive fight to the death lasting hours (slight embelishment here) and the heroes we've grown to love over the past 9 months to ... actually use their powers collectively to stop Syler and the exploding nuclear man.
Alas it's Hiro who comes along, stabs him, then Nathan flies over the nuclear man to space... end of story... see you next year folks! -An anti-climax to say the least.. it could have been spanned over two hours and probably been a lot better, the previous 22 episodes were mostly brilliant (one or two off episodes from what I remember, but there's still a lot more which were brilliant) and this was a good episode, just the weakest of the Season, I don't know - does a finale require the greatest episode of the season? As I said in the rating TV Seasons thread, if you compare Season finales for how you rate a show, then you'll get a different outcome to the season as a whole.
(Second) best new drama of the season by far (behind Dexter).
Outstanding first series.
I agree with an earlier poster that said other shows have killer finales (smallville etc...) but average middles, whilst this was consistently brilliant from the start.
I can't wait for Volume 2 :D
(Second) best new drama of the season by far (behind Dexter).
:thumbs: Aye!
Yeah, anti-climax of the season, so far. I would like to have seen a few death's with the poor characters (DL, Nikki, their son, fat cop who took 5 bullets) and was sure Syler was to be killed off. The big-fight at the end was a bit of a whimper.
But its been a great series overall. Much needed to replace the dropped-by-me Lost and 24 (but see you in season 7, Jack...) I hope I can avoid all the spoilers which will be painted over the interweb over the summer.
captaineyecatch
29-05-2007, 00:09
Loved the ending but one thing that i dont think anyone has mentioned?
Ted was very very unstable and he really has trouble keeping himself under control when he is stressed/angry etc. So why the hell did he just sit in the armoured car shouting i'm hurt etc. Why didnt he go nuclear??
Also i wonder if Peter and Nathans dad who like there mum must have powers is still alive?? Maybe he is the evil one that Molly was on about??
Vulcan101
29-05-2007, 00:26
Maybe Peters dad didn't kill himself. I wouldn't put it past either Momma Patrelli or Lindeman to have whacked him themselves.
Is Peters dad still alive and "the one that looks back"?
GAmbrose
29-05-2007, 09:16
But its been a great series overall. Much needed to replace the dropped-by-me Lost and 24 (but see you in season 7, Jack...) I hope I can avoid all the spoilers which will be painted over the interweb over the summer.
You shouldn't have dropped Lost, the last 2/3rds of Season 3 were brilliant IMO.
Gary A
Sylar doesn't eat their brains. There's a few shots showing his victims and their Brains are fully intact.
Having him eat them just makes no sense whatsoever. The fact he's a watchmaker was clearly linked to his power. He could tell what was wrong with a watch just from looking at it, and it's the same with his powers. He sees how a power works and is able to emulate it.
But there's a big gap between being able to see how it works, and changing oneself to work that way. I don't buy that he can emulate the power, just like that; does he reconfigure his own brain? I can't do that. Whether he eats the brains or does something else, it doesn't make sense that he just magically transforms himself having discovered how the powers work -- his own power doesn't provide him that ability.
It at least confirms that they're making it up as they go along.
They're still going over that detail, yes. It doesn't confirm that the overall mythos or story are made up as they go.
But there's a big gap between being able to see how it works, and changing oneself to work that way. I don't buy that he can emulate the power, just like that; does he reconfigure his own brain? I can't do that. Whether he eats the brains or does something else, it doesn't make sense that he just magically transforms himself having discovered how the powers work -- his own power doesn't provide him that ability.
The way I see it is he can sense the fact that the brain is different but must see the "problem" in order to take on the ability
Did I miss something as well? I thought Molly said she didn't look for the other guy as he could see her looking at him. Why is everyone saying he's more powerful than syler? She said he was worse than Syler, but doesn't mean he's more powerful, she could just be scared as he can see her.
I think the new big bad is a mirror for abilities. Like Peter or even syler in a way but he can only use an ability that is being activley used on him. Would explain why as Molly says when she looks at him he looks back at her (Because he can only do it when shes looking at him).
imo the whole idea was to save his wife hence he didnt phase
But he was behind her, why didnt he just touch her and phase her too so the bullet passed through the two of them?
Unless maybe phasing the two of them takes longer than it does to phase himself so he knew he wouldnt be able to do it fast enough so he took the shot for her instead.
Sylar didn't use TK to stop the bullets Bennett fired at him (the comics reveal that)
Wich comic revealed that? I dont remember that one.
With regards the Richard Rowntree character, surely his ability is to summon people into his own reality? If Peter can only use one power at a time, it's obviously not Peter who did the hard work as he was using his invisibility ability at the time.
I was actually thinking that his power was a sort of immunity from others abilities, would explain why his supposed friend Linderman didnt pop by to heal him when they found out he was dying, and why he could see peter while invisible. Though for that to work it would have to be a sort of passive immunity or it would border on the Haitians dampening ability and past peter would have seen his future self.
Definitely not Hiro's time travel ability. It appears he was dreaming because we heard Bennett calling out to him while he was still there on the roof, we then saw that Peter had been lying unconscious on the street all this time.
Astral projection maybe, this is one that is widley believed in the real world today so why not have a hero that can do it. Maybe thats Peters Mothers ability, Or his fathers.
unrealnils
30-05-2007, 16:39
Is Peters dad still alive and "the one that looks back"?
huh?
huh?
If Peters dad is actualy still alive, is he the one that Molly Walker mentions as "The one who looks back", as in the one worse than Sylar?
unrealnils
30-05-2007, 18:27
ahhh, persoanlly i think its two seprate characters (his dad and the evil guy molly talks about)
Wich comic revealed that? I dont remember that one.
20: Road Kill
Adam Thirnis
31-05-2007, 19:15
I never really understood what Eric Roberts, Malcolm McDowell and Nathan's mum were about. Can anyone explain this briefly?
DrVenkman
01-06-2007, 11:57
Ah, good old Tim Kring. Obviously puts a lot of thought into the show...
At the conclusion of the Kirby Plaza skirmish on Heroes' first-season finale, why didn't Peter just fly his explosive self up, up and away, instead of making Nathan take one for the team, as well? Presented by TV Guide with that burning question, series creator Tim Kring pauses before saying, "You know, theoretically you're not supposed to be thinking about that."
When assured that viewers are, Kring confirms that — as many have theorized — radioactive Peter's other powers were "incapacitated" at that pivotal moment, and "somewhere in there is the explanation" for having Nathan grab his bro and do the "flying man!" thing. "But the real explanation is that we wanted Nathan to show up and [save the day]!"
"Yes, I will admit that there’s a very tiny window of logic there," Kring continues with a laugh. "But what can I say? It's requires the proverbial suspension of disbelief."
So people shouldn't think about the Internal logic of the show because the HEAD WRITER hasn't? Nice one Kring.
kippa2k1
01-06-2007, 12:23
Yes, how dare he expect people to suspend disbelief whilst watching a show about people with super powers :nuts:
DrVenkman
01-06-2007, 16:06
Yes, how dare he expect people to suspend disbelief whilst watching a show about people with super powers
Its not suspension of disbelief though. It's the writers presuming that no one will think about the Internal Logic of the show because they don't know what it is.
He pretty much admitted it was just so they could have Nathan fly down and have a nice heart-string-pulling ending.
AndyWilson
01-06-2007, 18:29
So what?
So what?
It wouldn't be an issue if they were just putting out an hour of entertainment each week, but when they've been waxing lyrical about Lost's "mistakes", and the fact that they haven't rewarded the loyal fans; to then turn around and admit to a massive (and it is massive) plot hole seems a bit hypocritical. It's even worse given the fact that they're clearly tapping into the internet and comic book fanboys by releasing the comics each week.
It is a bit annoying.
Suspension of disbelief is fine for a show like this in the respect that we are accepting people having special abilities (which are being given some logic with the genetics angle)
But to just throw away common sense, and assume viewers are ALL stupid is a bit crap. I'd accept it for lacklustre television, but not Heroes which was fantastic for ever other moment.
AndyWilson
01-06-2007, 19:28
But it IS entertainment!
If it gets too tied up with logic, continuity and canon it will lose its wide appeal and become a cult show for us internet nerds.
"Just because" is refreshing in these days of overanalysis.
He could easily have had Peter say something along the lines of "I can't stop it, I can't get away, it's taking all my concentration just to stop myself exploding!". Afterall Ted had problems controlling it. Makes perfect sense to me.
But do we really need a line like that? It's corny and I really don't feel that everything needs explaining. Not when the vast majority of questions are. As opposed to Lost where next to nothing is explained. I can fill in little plotholes like that myself without much trouble. As long as the big questions are explained and a logical and coherent story is presented to us over the course of a season and eventually the whole series itself.
ben.bayliss
01-06-2007, 19:55
What I didn't quite understand, is why Nathan could not fly Peter way way way up into the atmosphere, then drop him and fly away really quickly before Peter exploded. Peter would be falling for quite some time and Nathan could survive....
No?
I suppose in that respect he doesn't know when he'll explode, or how devastating the explosion would be, so it made sense to just fly as far as possible in the time.
What I didn't quite understand, is why Nathan could not fly Peter way way way up into the atmosphere, then drop him and fly away really quickly before Peter exploded. Peter would be falling for quite some time and Nathan could survive....
No?
Who's to say that's not what he did?
ben.bayliss
01-06-2007, 21:24
I guess it was implied by the way Peter said 'I wont let you sacrifice yourself' and the few lines after.. You've got a point tho. The line could have been a red-herring.
DrVenkman
02-06-2007, 09:49
But it IS entertainment!
If it gets too tied up with logic, continuity and canon it will lose its wide appeal and become a cult show for us internet nerds.
"Just because" is refreshing in these days of overanalysis.
How silly of me to presume that writers might think about what they're putting into the show. If it was 'Lost' people would jump all over it and the writers, but because "Its just entertainment" we can forgive all the mistakes it makes.
It's not even that thats the problem, it's Kring brazingly admitting that they don't know the answer, and then insisting that people shouldn't think about it. It's a little worrying when people on a message board put more thought into the show than the writers do.
They could've included any number of scenes anywhere in the finale to show that Peter can't use 2 powers at once (Even though he did it in '5 years gone') instead of spending the first 5 minutes of the episode re-enacting exactly what happened the week before.
Grandmaster
02-06-2007, 10:01
I'd be perfectly happy to assume that if Peter can't control the radioactive power, it is logical to assume he has completely lost control of his core ability entirely. I mean, it stands to reason, doesn't it?
The only issue with this explanation is how he was able to absorb Nikki's abilities and use them against Sylar.
One thing is for sure - and it does indeed point to lazy writing - is that just one sentence of dialogue from Peter could've cleared up the whole issue.
Not necessarily, some powers don't need the person to be awake or even alive to operate. So its possible that even when KO or asleep Candice can maintain a core illusion.
Or the writers screwed it up.
I think it was the latter. All other aspects of the illusion fell when she collapsed so this should have too.
Makes no sense that she would put an illusion {Jessica** over another illusion [slim bird] instead of just having fat bird morph into Jessica.
I love a good backlash! :D
soberion
03-06-2007, 01:36
Jeez. It's just a TV show.
I thought the last episode was weak compared to the rest of the series, but as a whole was a very entertaining story and one of the few things I've watched on TV lately. Looking forward to the next series.
andybhoy
03-06-2007, 07:59
Goodness me, but some people do like to try to suck the fun out of things.
Anyone else just enjoy it for what it was, without feeling personally afronted when it wasn't quite what you wanted?
/Puts hand up.
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/warren.alexander/smileys/smiley615.gif
Looks like they are going to continue the graphic novals between series. The next couple are going to be about the Haitian.
It's been a great first series, ok the season finale was a bit of anti climax but on the whole it has been fantastic. With only 2 or 3 weak episodes over the whole series it's a much better rate than most other series.
FYI from Comicbookresources (http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=10692) regular column with writers/producers of Heroes.
OK, the next question is easily the most asked question concerning "How To Stop An Exploding Man." About 40 or 50 different people asked this, but Shaun was the first to ask. We think we know the answer to this, but we'll go straight to the experts on this to make sure. Shaun asks, "Was the fact that Nathan was needed to fly Peter away just done for dramatic effect since Peter has flight, too, or does this prove Peter only has access to one power at a time?"
It’s the later. Peter even says, “I can’t stop it. I can’t do anything.” Peter was helpless. There were two options. Kill Peter. Or Nathan could fly him away and try to save them all. Now, if Peter or Nathan survived and how – remains to be seen.
...
OK, likely the second most frequently asked question this week was about Candice. Treads asked first, so here we go. "In 'Landslide,' it seemed you guys went out of your way to make sure we knew Candice's true form wasn't that of a beautiful, skinny brunette. Yet when Candice gets knocked out cold by Nikki, she reverts back to the cute brunette. If she was unconscious and seemingly unable to control her power, shouldn't she have reverted to her true form, which presumably would be an overweight or obese person?"
OR – she was still barely conscious – OR – her subconscious so strongly desired to be thin that she was able to maintain that form – OR – people might be over thinking this.
There's always that!
If the question really is, “Are we going to get to see what Candice really looks like?” The answer is – yes. Sooner than you think.
Fazer1000
06-07-2007, 18:21
Guess I'm a month behind everyone - just watched the finale.
I didn't think it was too bad, however....
I'd heard the seasons were supposed to be more '24 like' than 'Lost like' , i.e one story finishes and another begins. But assuming the timeline of the next season means the new story happens after what we have just seen, I can't see how that can really work unless Sylar meets his demise pretty early on.
Otherwise, surely the Sylar killing spree will just continue and be the main undercurrent of season 2 as it was season 1 ...?
It has been confirmed that the new season starts about 4 months after the finale for everyone bar Hiro.
Additionally it looks like Sylar is meant to be a regular...so it'll be interesting to see what they do with him.
Just caught up watching the whole of season one. Upto episode 23 I thought it was brilliant.
The finale was a let down. An average episode compared to all the others. The fight scene was pathetic.
What I would like to have seen was all the Heroes using their powers for any length of time. We have only had glimpses of each one's abilities throughout the season.
I guess Peter's still alive as he has the ability to regenerate / heal himself. The fight with Sylar was a non-event.
Looking forward to season 2. might try "The Wire" in the meantime as everybody here seems to be raving on about it.
If the question really is, “Are we going to get to see what Candice really looks like?” The answer is – yes. Sooner than you think.
Just read the most recent Graphic novels - It tells all
(I enjoyed the finale btw even on sci fi in 4:3 tempted to watch it all again on BBC HD)
Looking forward to season 2. might try "The Wire" in the meantime as everybody here seems to be raving on about it.
FX are screening the wire from the first series this month. Think it may be Monday the 23rd or something
Along with Dexter, that will be my tv fix for the next while
cjanderson
19-07-2007, 19:52
all a bit meh though i did well up with nathan appears :cry:
was NO ONE ELSE in that plaza. just felt empty and a bit lame.
and i didn't get sylra had gone, but get it now. hey ho, until next year.
great series, last few episodes were fab, but the last one was just a bit crap.
Up until the final scene I thought it was a fine episode but like everybody else I felt let down with the ending. Considering Sylar had murdered countless people I found it surprising that when he was up against Peter and Hiro all he did was to fling Hiro to goodness knows where. The scene when Nathan turned up was surprising but didn't sit well with me, why did he decide to do what he did for example ?
Nathan came back because he's a good person and cares about his brother; he didn't want to just leave him, let lots of people die and benefit from it. The whole question of will he/won't he help Peter is something that was asked throughout the series.
cjanderson
20-07-2007, 09:55
still, he just turned up and that was it. no explanation, no word on his mother (whats her power). could have gone either way really.
likewise nicky and jessica split apart. no explanation.
we don't even know if series 2 carries on from series 1 and explains anything or is whole new charachters.
goonerforever
20-07-2007, 12:48
I think it's amazing how picky people can be of a TV programme. Yes it may not have been up to the standard of the previous episodes but that was a pretty damn high standard. If you compared it to other series finales, it still holds up well imo.
It gripped me and I can't be the only one who got shivers when you first saw Peter and Sylar face off and also feel a lump in their throat when Nathan came back.
I can't wait to see it all again in glorious HD come Wednesday on BBC :clap:
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