This trend towards 'saucy' music videos.... [Archive]

ohood

11-04-2007, 08:24

I think the OP means this onslaught of Loaded/FHM/Zoo/Nuts style promos, which I think do nothing but harm for music, as in most cases, the video is made like it is just to sell the 'maxi-single' or whatever, with the video included. They are frankly embarrassing.

I wish it'd stop, I wish choreography wasn't seen as an indicator of talent (in the context of a 'group'), I wish these DJs wouldn't push out crappy 'remixes' under the pretense of them Vs. the original artist. Excusing it as a laugh isn't enough anymore, I don't think it ever was.

LooneyJetman

11-04-2007, 09:08

Saw the 'filthy' version of Stupidisco a few days ago, which was ahem...interesting. It was on Youtube, although I don't know if it's still there.
Definitely NSFW, if you decide to go looking for it.

Ridcully

11-04-2007, 09:21

Current favourite is Destination Calabria although the following get worth mention

Call on me
What a feeling - Hughes corporation
Stupid disco
Most of the uniting nations ones
Most of the Studio B ones

goonieman

11-04-2007, 09:30

I think the "saucy" video is trying to hide the fact that the songs' complete gash :thinking:

ohood

11-04-2007, 10:06

I think the "saucy" video is trying to hide the fact that the songs' complete gash :thinking:
Better than what I said. :)

davecarter

11-04-2007, 10:10

They havent all been gash though, stupidisco and pretty green eyes spring to mind.
Just wonder if they would have hit the mainstream without the videos mind.

TheoGB

11-04-2007, 12:45

Well there was that song a few years back featuring female models oiled up and using huge power tools...

Johnny Vodka

11-04-2007, 12:59

They havent all been gash though, ...pretty green eyes spring to mind.
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Er, that's one of the worst, chavviest dance tunes of recent years. ;)

MaxNutter

11-04-2007, 13:31

Well there was that song a few years back featuring female models oiled up and using huge power tools...

Benny Bernassi ... Satisfaction:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06tvsGxaZVc

mr starface

11-04-2007, 13:58

Love em and long may they continue. Having some mates round with some beers and watching the music channels is fanastic and I's second the vote for Destination Calabria and anything else in that vein.

Sorry but I love "crappy" remixes and most commercial dance stuff as do most people I know. For example loved the remix of Owner of a lonely heart and the video suited it perfectly.

I tells ya kids have got it so lucky these days, used to have to stay up till after midnight on channel 4 to see stuff like in these videos!

Jimmyboy

11-04-2007, 14:56

My problem with them is that there's no acknowledgement that they are post watershed material. I've turned on the TV at 7.30 in the morning and seen music videos which are far more sexualised than what would normally be shown on a post watershed 9 o clock drama. I find it appallingly irresponsible considering that children as young as 5 will be watching the TV before school.

Robby

11-04-2007, 14:59

All time most saucy video goes to the XXX version of 2Pac's 'How Do You Want It?' I've only seen the censored version and even that is pretty :n0rty:

Kirs-tea

11-04-2007, 15:03

Johnny Vodka

11-04-2007, 15:13

LouBarlow

11-04-2007, 15:15

Won't someone think of the children!

rubbafish

11-04-2007, 16:10

Low budget which gets exposure and shifts units... it's called business and it ain't gonna change anytime soon.

The best video of this style though has to be 'Put Your Hands Up For Detroit'.

Haloumi

11-04-2007, 17:00

Didn't P Diddy take this to its natural conclusion and make an actual pr0n film as one of his videos a few years ago?

Jimmyboy

11-04-2007, 18:21

I (kind of) agree with Jimmyboy. If I had young kids, I'm not sure I'd want them exposed to some of the music vids around, but you could argue they're more on the level of innuendo and allusion, and wonder whether kids would actually pick up on what's going on. Unless you slap an automatic 15 cert on any vid with a female running her tongue over her lips? :thinking: Also have to remember that these things are so freely available on You Tube or whatever these days too.

None of which are credible excuses though mate and it's a typical liberal response that parents who complain about their childrens exposure to such things are out of touch and making a fuss over something trivial. Hardcore adult material is also freely available on the end of a google search but that doesn't mean it has a place on TV during the usual time that kids will be watching it. These music videos are made for adults and should be put on at a suitable time to reflect that. Playing them at 7.30 in the morning during the kids before-school TV hour is simply wrong. I don't really see that there's much middle ground for a counter argument tbh. To argue otherwise you're really only one step away from arguing that it's ok for young children to be exposed to soft-porn, Garry Glitter would probably agree.

LouBarlow

11-04-2007, 18:24

To argue otherwise you're really only one step away from arguing that it's ok for young children to be exposed to soft-porn,

Yes. Yes it is.

Jimmyboy

11-04-2007, 18:27

Yes. Yes it is.

You don't have children I take it. It's easy to take the "Stiffler" approach to everything when you're a bachelor. ;)

LouBarlow

11-04-2007, 18:30

You don't have children I take it. It's easy to take the "Stiffler" approach to everything when you're a bachelor. ;)

That old chestnut :lol:

tizza

11-04-2007, 18:49

I have children and dont have a problem with it. We dont have music channels on and even if we did my eldest (11) would probably call me a pervy and shake her head.

Just watched that destination calibria again and its a damned fine piece of art, the girls look great when they dance near the end.:thumbs:

Mr Majestik

11-04-2007, 19:01

Didn't P Diddy take this to its natural conclusion and make an actual pr0n film as one of his videos a few years ago?

It was Snoop dog.

No wonder we won't let him into the country.

Johnny Vodka

11-04-2007, 19:08

None of which are credible excuses though mate and it's a typical liberal response that parents who complain about their childrens exposure to such things are out of touch and making a fuss over something trivial.

The thing is, though, where do you draw the line when it's so nudge-nudge wink-wink. The norty dance videos? Or The Pussycat Dolls gyrating a bit? Maybe all chicks in pop videos should wear Bhurkas? ;) Since rock 'n' roll began, music has constantly taken a hit for being too sexualised and whipping the kids into a frenzy. Hell, Elvis was criticised for whipping teens into a sexual frenzy and 20 years ago Mike Reid was smashing Frankie Goes To Hollywood's "Relax" on air. Would young kids understand the sexual overtones in the Eric Prydz video or would they just see people doing exercise in a gym? Jumping around here... David Cronenberg said kids can watch horror movies that would scare the crap of adults and not blink an eyelid because most of it goes over their heads.

ralph wiggum

11-04-2007, 19:10

Yep, a cynical ploy to sell (mostly) awful music, but as long as I get to see half naked girls on tv at 7.00 in the morning, I'm a happy chappy! :D

Of that type, Call on Me is probably the best, but my favourite saucy vid ever has to be Add N To (X): Plug Me In (x-rated version, definitely NSFW) with the lovely Nadia :luv:

tuffjam

11-04-2007, 19:12

You don't have children I take it. It's easy to take the "Stiffler" approach to everything when you're a bachelor. ;)Damn right it is. Check this out from the lovely Dorota 'Doda' Rabczewska:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MFuif4m26c

In all seriousness, I do kind of agree with your point. These music videos shouldn't be on early in the morning although I doubt they're likely to hurt a child's precious little mind. I enjoy the videos but they do have a time and place.

Woz

11-04-2007, 19:49

What's that one with all the majorettes? I likes that one!

My 9 year old and 5 year old have both seen them, and they pass them by. It's not like they've not seen women's bums before.

I know it's an old chestnut, but I've more problem with the violence they get exposed to than the odd seaside-postcard level bum or boob shot.

Smash41

11-04-2007, 19:53

Damn right it is. Check this out from the lovely Dorota 'Doda' Rabczewska:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MFuif4m26c

In all seriousness, I do kind of agree with your point. These music videos shouldn't be on early in the morning although I doubt they're likely to hurt a child's precious little mind. I enjoy the videos but they do have a time and place.

Wow she's lovely. Of course I had to do further 'research' and discovered she's done Playboy :luv:

ralph wiggum

11-04-2007, 20:02

What's that one with all the majorettes? I likes that one!

Just search for Destination calabria - Alex Gaudino on youtube. :)

Robby

11-04-2007, 21:17

Also have to remember that these things are so freely available on You Tube or whatever these days too.

As JV points out by effectively censoring or watershedding material are you not just highlighting that something is a little risque? Therefore making it more desirable?

Last time i was in Amtserdam i was amazed that all the music videos there are played uncensored during the day. My kid cousins didn't batter an eyelid at the provocative imagery or the hippity hop swear words.

Do we live in an over-protective society? :shrug: If i had kids i don't think i'd stop them from watching something like Prodigy's 'Smack My Bitch Up' or Aphex Twin's 'Windowlicker'. If it encouraged a mature discussion between myself as a parent and my kid then i'd rather that than shy something away from them and say you can't watch that as surely they're gonna want to watch it more and do it in spite of me?

Perhaps that's easy for me to say as a non-parent, i don't know.

Jimmyboy

11-04-2007, 21:42

The thing is, though, where do you draw the line when it's so nudge-nudge wink-wink. The norty dance videos? Or The Pussycat Dolls gyrating a bit? Maybe all chicks in pop videos should wear Bhurkas? ;) Since rock 'n' roll began, music has constantly taken a hit for being too sexualised and whipping the kids into a frenzy. Hell, Elvis was criticised for whipping teens into a sexual frenzy and 20 years ago Mike Reid was smashing Frankie Goes To Hollywood's "Relax" on air. Would young kids understand the sexual overtones in the Eric Prydz video or would they just see people doing exercise in a gym? Jumping around here... David Cronenberg said kids can watch horror movies that would scare the crap of adults and not blink an eyelid because most of it goes over their heads.

Well we could fast forward 20 years where music videos feature 101 pop shots because merely having sexist stripper music videos of females simulating sex acts and orgasms is now considered as trivial as Elvis's hip swings. You say where do we draw the line, well to me it's quite clear, the line is drawn post watershed. I'm not a prude and I don't want to censor anything, I just think there should be a little thing called corporate responsibility and accountability - things which you normally spend your time in the general forums arguing for too.

I don't think you should have to justify material being put into a suitable time slot to match the maturity of it's intended audience. For me personally, a Shakira music video is fine, Pussycat Dolls are border line pushing it, and the Euro-dance stuff we're talking about here are mostly unsuitable for young children. I know everyone has a different standard of moral acceptability but all too often that's used as an excuse to justify setting the standards down to the lowest common denominator. I think you also have to consider that exposure to entertainment through youth channels and other media can result in subconscious imitation and I'm not sure it's spiritually healthy for young girls to be conditioned by these types of images anymore than the anorexic super model look.

Woz

11-04-2007, 23:00

Just search for Destination calabria - Alex Gaudino on youtube. :)

Cheers!
Just bought it on iTunes so I can carry it where-ever I go :n0rty:

On this subject...didn't Robert Palmer do this 20 years ago? He made the radical move of getting a fashion photographer to shoot the video. It has all the same stuff - Bright red wet pouty lips, suggestive camera shots, slow pans down the models bodies - you could see their boobies through their LBDs!

None of this is new - sex sells and in my experience kids will either ignore it, or go "ew, girls!" if they notice it. I've got boys, so I don't really know what effect it has on girls - if we're looking at what influences their body images and eating patterns, we'd do better to look at people they admire rather than faceless women in pop promos though.

I think maybe why 'this sort of thing' should be after the watershed isn't because it will ruin kids, but because 'people of a certain age' will be offended by it.

Having said all that, Come to Daddy by Aphex Twin should be shown after midnight because frankly it would give anyone the screeming abdabs and if my kids saw it they wouldn't sleep for days!

Jimmyboy

11-04-2007, 23:08

I think maybe why 'this sort of thing' should be after the watershed isn't because it will ruin kids, but because 'people of a certain age' will be offended by it.

I'm not offended by it, if I was offended by it then moving it to post watershed wouldn't really change much. The Robert Palmer video is not as racy as the euro-dance track videos of today plus it had far less exposure than videos have today.

Stevie G

11-04-2007, 23:29

.....I Love it :thumbs:

Move over Eric Prydz, Fedde Le Grand and Benny Bennassi, possibly the greatest so far (and not actually that gratuitous but IMO, ultra sexy): Dj Magic-Inside (http://video.interia.pl/obejrzyj,film,55760,sortuj,s,st,dj%20magic|wszystkie|nazwie;tagach;autorach|popularnosc,pozycja,10,Dj_Magic_-_Inside)

I think it's work safe for most people.

First time I saw that Inside video was in the gym....nearly fell off the X trainer! I wasn't actually listening to it (I can select different channels to listen to) but just looked across at the right/wrong time! A load of perfect half exposed arses waggling away! :thumbs:

Woz

12-04-2007, 00:01

I'm not offended by it, if I was offended by it then moving it to post watershed wouldn't really change much. The Robert Palmer video is not as racy as the euro-dance track videos of today plus it had far less exposure than videos have today.

Wasn't suggesting anyone on these forums was!

Have another look at the Robert Palmer Video - sure it doesn't show as much bum, but it's very very close to a lot of these recent ones (barring that terrible one with the american looking women in the gym, urgh!).

Most of what I've seen on the normal pop video channels could be described as dancing in underwear, which I can't see warping a child's mind at all. Certainly not as much as seeing women beaten up or the pretty extreme domestic abuse and general nastiness that you regularly get on Eastenders now.

TheoGB

12-04-2007, 07:38

I (kind of) agree with Jimmyboy. If I had young kids, I'm not sure I'd want them exposed to some of the music vids around, but you could argue they're more on the level of innuendo and allusion, and wonder whether kids would actually pick up on what's going on. Unless you slap an automatic 15 cert on any vid with a female running her tongue over her lips? :thinking: Also have to remember that these things are so freely available on You Tube or whatever these days too.

Pffft, kids just see it as a video. The evidence? Have any of you taken time to watch Robert Palmers 'Addicted to Love' video recently? That's far more 'saucy' than anything listed here, you know? There are long closeups on bouncing breasts under semi-transparent material.

In any case I saw that video a fair few times as a nipper in the 80s (I was born in '75) and was later a bit bemused by talk of how 'sexy' it was when I just remembered a bunch of girls in his 'band'. Of course, when I finally saw the video again in Uni I took a different view.

Jimmyboy's "The Voice of Middle England" post just made me laugh, to be honest. :D

Johnny Vodka

12-04-2007, 09:23

Well we could fast forward 20 years where music videos feature 101 pop shots because merely having sexist stripper music videos of females simulating sex acts and orgasms is now considered as trivial as Elvis's hip swings. You say where do we draw the line, well to me it's quite clear, the line is drawn post watershed. I'm not a prude and I don't want to censor anything, I just think there should be a little thing called corporate responsibility and accountability - things which you normally spend your time in the general forums arguing for too.

Well, no, I actually do kind of agree with you that these videos are racy and *perhaps* shouldn't be shown so early. At the same time I'm wondering if kids would actually understand the sexual connotations of the Benny Benassi video (the one with the power tools :D ); part of me thinks it might totally go over their heads. Surely it's all innuendo, like that show with Mrs whoever's pussy or Allo Allo? We do live in an increasingly sexualised society and you could argue a few pop videos are just a very small part of it? (Mind you, as others have pointed out the Robert Palmer video is probably just as bad.)

escape_adil5

12-04-2007, 09:30

The Ballad of Chasey Lain, by The Bloodhound Gang had porn in it. So did Smack my Bitch Up by The Prodigy.

The Chasey Lain video uncensored was obviously never shown on tv before the watershed.

jamie_rowe

12-04-2007, 13:46

Jimmyboy's "The Voice of Middle England" post just made me laugh, to be honest. :D

Ah, but will you still be laughing when your children grow up to be rapists and nymphos?

Think on now. :nono: ;)

Mr Majestik

12-04-2007, 13:56

The Ballad of Chasey Lain, by The Bloodhound Gang had porn in it. So did Smack my Bitch Up by The Prodigy.

The Chasey Lain video uncensored was obviously never shown on tv before the watershed.

There's loads of rap videos that are full on porn. (Mr Doggs already been mentioned.) I think there's even a rap porn star!

These video's don't get shown on Tiswas.*

*Or what ever they call kids saturday morning tv nowadays.

rubbafish

12-04-2007, 14:16

The Ballad of Chasey Lain, by The Bloodhound Gang had porn in it. So did Smack my Bitch Up by The Prodigy.

The Chasey Lain video uncensored was obviously never shown on tv before the watershed.

Chasey Lain had porn stars but no porn. It was all carefully placed cameras and focus shots. SMBU is a different kettle of fish altogether though was that gratuitous nudity for no reason other than exploitation? I wouldn't say so.

As for porn video, N*E*R*D did a good job with Lapdance.

J M

12-04-2007, 14:48

I think the "saucy" video is trying to hide the fact that the songs' complete gash :thinking:

Well I've just watched it with no sound, and I thought it was great :thumbs:

Shame about that old bloke with the headphones who keeps appearing though...

TheoGB

12-04-2007, 15:29

Ah, but will you still be laughing when your children grow up to be rapists and nymphos?

Think on now. :nono: ;)

Heh.

These have been around for years and that's probably far less saucy than the Robert Palmer one.

I believe the correct term is "one for the dads".

Jimmyboy

12-04-2007, 17:58

Pffft, kids just see it as a video. The evidence? Have any of you taken time to watch Robert Palmers 'Addicted to Love' video recently? That's far more 'saucy' than anything listed here, you know? There are long closeups on bouncing breasts under semi-transparent material.

In any case I saw that video a fair few times as a nipper in the 80s (I was born in '75) and was later a bit bemused by talk of how 'sexy' it was when I just remembered a bunch of girls in his 'band'. Of course, when I finally saw the video again in Uni I took a different view.

Jimmyboy's "The Voice of Middle England" post just made me laugh, to be honest. :D

The Robert Palmer video is nowhere near as sexualised as the stuff being shown today. A few women shuffling badly with guitars with a bit too much lipstick is hardly comparable to the crotch thrusting, up skirts, lesbian flirtations, and lap dancing around striper polls all featured in the average Euro-dance track. What makes me laugh is the predictable voice of the socialist student union and the halfwit libertarian attitude that life never imitates art so protection from it is illogical. Didn't stop so many of them being scared by the potential sociological effects of something as silly as Love Thy Neighbour and calling for it's outright ban though. ;) The envelope has been increasingly pushed since Palmers Addicted to Love video which is what makes trying to compare like for like with today incomparable.

TheoGB

13-04-2007, 07:37

The Robert Palmer video is nowhere near as sexualised as the stuff being shown today. A few women shuffling badly with guitars with a bit too much lipstick is hardly comparable to the crotch thrusting, up skirts, lesbian flirtations, and lap dancing around striper polls all featured in the average Euro-dance track. What makes me laugh is the predictable voice of the socialist student union and the halfwit libertarian attitude that life never imitates art so protection from it is illogical. Didn't stop so many of them being scared by the potential sociological effects of something as silly as Love Thy Neighbour and calling for it's outright ban though. ;) The envelope has been increasingly pushed since Palmers Addicted to Love video which is what makes trying to compare like for like with today incomparable.

Probably because Love Thy Neighbour was bad, unlike Rising Damp which continues to be shown.

Kids just don't see that smuttiness you're talking about and even if they do notice it, they'll be turned off by it more than anything. By the time any kids are old enough to be 'interested' by it they'll be old enough to be trying to sneak the girlie mags off the top shelf. Personally I'd rather adolescents got a bit of innocent titillation from a terrible music video than a porn mag. Our attitude to sex in this country is still depressingly Victorian, evidenced by the fact that you actually put 'lesbian flirtations' in your list of evil things these videos show.

I'm still having trouble working out what you expect watching these 'saucy' videos to DO to the children? Did you ever see such things when you were a child and do you feel emotionally scarred by it now? Personally I did and I don't.

Johnny Vodka

13-04-2007, 07:52

We used to laugh at George Michael singing "I Want Your Sex", although I'm not sure I would have understood the "Relax" video.

LouBarlow

13-04-2007, 08:18

I was watching porno movies from about 10 or 11 I think, and it did nothing to me except make me really, really good at sex, so it's not a problem I don't think.

tuffjam

13-04-2007, 10:17

I was watching porno movies from about 10 or 11 I think, and it did nothing to me except make me really, really good at sex, so it's not a problem I don't think.So I'm not the only one that learnt my mad skillz this way? ;)

LouBarlow

13-04-2007, 10:44

I watched them and discovered that porno movies are *nothing* like real sex :D

Unless you find a right dirty bird :suspect:

TheoGB

13-04-2007, 12:10

I watched them and discovered that porno movies are *nothing* like real sex :D

Unless you find a right dirty bird :suspect:

And wax your scrotum. :gag:

Woz

13-04-2007, 18:38

And wax her scrotum too.

tizza

13-04-2007, 18:46

I learnt my skills fropm watching it young too. hence my kipper tie, huge lapels and flarey jeans. Mrs not too keen on the bushy tache and curly perm tho, its tickles her vag.

Jimmyboy

13-04-2007, 19:06

Probably because Love Thy Neighbour was bad, unlike Rising Damp which continues to be shown.

Kids just don't see that smuttiness you're talking about and even if they do notice it, they'll be turned off by it more than anything. By the time any kids are old enough to be 'interested' by it they'll be old enough to be trying to sneak the girlie mags off the top shelf. Personally I'd rather adolescents got a bit of innocent titillation from a terrible music video than a porn mag. Our attitude to sex in this country is still depressingly Victorian, evidenced by the fact that you actually put 'lesbian flirtations' in your list of evil things these videos show.

I'm still having trouble working out what you expect watching these 'saucy' videos to DO to the children? Did you ever see such things when you were a child and do you feel emotionally scarred by it now? Personally I did and I don't.

I didn't see such things at the times they're being shown. That's the point you seem unable to grasp. I'm not talking about censorship, I'm talking about putting material into suitable time slots for the intended audience therefore "Victorian attitudes towards sex" has nothing to do with anything. It's simply fudging the issue that society has a very juvenile attitude towards sex which is mirrored in music videos of this type. It's the female form as seen through the distorted eyes of a binge drinking alpha-male FHM subscriber so lets not delude ourselves into believing the intentions of such videos are to valiantly break down the walls of lesbian homophobia. It's amusing though that you seem to think that this type of titulation can some how double as noble sex education videos, as opposed to being what they actually are - inherently sexist distortions and derogatory towards women.

Johnny Vodka

13-04-2007, 20:15

It's amusing though that you seem to think that this type of titulation can some how double as noble sex education videos, as opposed to being what they actually are - inherently sexist distortions and derogatory towards women.

What about videos that feature blokes dancing with their tops off and such like? Should they be banned too? I'd argue there are as many derogatory images of the male in the media these days (if derogatory means pushing and sexualising a certain body image as the only one that's attractive) as female.

Personally, I'd just be happy for every Gwen Stefani video to be banned - so I don't have to look at her stupid gurny face. ;)

SIMON ADEBISI

13-04-2007, 20:24

Personally, I'd just be happy for every Gwen Stefani video to be banned - so I don't have to look at her stupid gurny face. ;)

Fianally, someone else who hates her :thumbs: I thought i was the only one.

tpr007

13-04-2007, 20:34

lesbian flirtations

not an image of a "dirty" HoMoSeXuAl :(
what is the world coming to? We should protect our children from such things, and sit them down in front of a carry on film or Benny Hill just to make sure they know what they should be thinking.

Ridcully

13-04-2007, 20:35

Add to my list of eye candy videos both the Michael gray ones. However the very worst one has to Chacarron. No music or skill that is decernable and just a thinly veiled excuse for some rap star to appear with scantily clad ladies

Johnny Vodka

13-04-2007, 20:40

Fianally, someone else who hates her :thumbs: I thought i was the only one.

Oh, I'm sure there are others on here. :D

Jimmyboy

13-04-2007, 23:32

not an image of a "dirty" HoMoSeXuAl :(
what is the world coming to? We should protect our children from such things, and sit them down in front of a carry on film or Benny Hill just to make sure they know what they should be thinking.

Somebody else who hit the reply button without contemplating the argument being put forth - Remind me once again why Benny Hill didn't get his contract renewed?. Whatever lesbian/feminist lobby you think you're sticking up for, rest assured that they're be firmly in my camp on this issue (no pun intended).

Jimmyboy

13-04-2007, 23:35

Personally, I'd just be happy for every Gwen Stefani video to be banned - so I don't have to look at her stupid gurny face. ;)

She's beyond annoying. How her records keep selling I have no idea, although strangely my dad really likes her. :doh:

tpr007

14-04-2007, 08:03

Somebody else who hit the reply button without contemplating the argument being put forth - Remind me once again why Benny Hill didn't get his contract renewed?.

Whatever lesbian/feminist lobby you think you're sticking up for, rest assured that they're be firmly in my camp on this issue (no pun intended).

I'm not lobbying. Nor do I think feminism and lesbianism are intrinsically linked! Where did that intelligent viewpoint come from?
I just don't think that images of homosexuality should be kept for the watershed.
Do you also think that violence on tv makes people do things they wouldn't otherwise do?

Saucy videos are racy, and have been around for a while. It's a long way from porn, and I doubt we'll ever see a pop shot being shown on GMTV regardless of how open minded we become.

TheoGB

16-04-2007, 06:39

I didn't see such things at the times they're being shown. That's the point you seem unable to grasp. I'm not talking about censorship, I'm talking about putting material into suitable time slots for the intended audience therefore "Victorian attitudes towards sex" has nothing to do with anything. It's simply fudging the issue that society has a very juvenile attitude towards sex which is mirrored in music videos of this type. It's the female form as seen through the distorted eyes of a binge drinking alpha-male FHM subscriber so lets not delude ourselves into believing the intentions of such videos are to valiantly break down the walls of lesbian homophobia. It's amusing though that you seem to think that this type of titulation can some how double as noble sex education videos, as opposed to being what they actually are - inherently sexist distortions and derogatory towards women.

The problem is that your 'binge drinking alpha-male FHM subscriber' is apparently normal society. Just looking over the General forum and seeing how many replies along the lines of "I would" threads containing so-called attractive females from the media get suggests as much...and I don't really consider this forum to be very representative of the types you're referring to.

I realise you (judging by an ealier reply to me) think that life imitates art but I don't agree. Generally if you try to force society to be how you want then it rebels by producing stuff in the underground (incidentally making it more desirable). That aside, you ARE discussing censorship even if you are talking about the watershed since you are talking about what is suitable when.

Could you perhaps link me to these videos you feel strongly about since clearly the original one in this thread can hardly be seen as the first sign society is about to raise a generation of young girls who want to be whores. Or maybe I misunderstand what you are afraid of?

Also I don't think videos with 'lesbian flirtation' are trying to break down any lesbian homophobia (it's in there to shock/annoy people like you), nor is the idea that we are Victorian in our attitudes to sex remotely comparable to being 'juvenile' about sex. Have you ever heard of countries like The Netherlands? Just because I don't think the video like that linked at the start of this thread are post-watershed material doesn't mean I'm advocating hardcore porn all over the place.