Playstation 3 Thread - Part IV: Squirtle Memorial Edition [Archive]

Harsin

13-03-2007, 14:51

Righto, last thread reached the magic 1000 number of posts. So here we are again.

Launch details:

Sony Computer Entertainment Europe announced that PLAYSTATION®3 will be launched in the PAL territories including the United Kingdom on 23rd March 2007 at a price of £425.

Responding to retail and consumer demand, SCEE confirmed that initially only the 60GB model would be available, with the 20GB model to follow later in the year dependent on demand.

But for now let's take a moment to remember fallen comrades.

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/2121/squirtlevp0.jpg

I believe the children are our future,
Treat them well and let them lead the way...

roadkill_88

13-03-2007, 14:57

Perhaps we can leave Gaelic jokes in the last thread - and learn to spell properly if we must attempt it...

chrisjm

13-03-2007, 14:57

"Squirtle, squirtle!"

Cockeye

13-03-2007, 16:06

Mr M0by

13-03-2007, 16:07

Well for a start there is far more anti-Sony sentiment posted in any of the PS3 news threads than anything pro-squirtle like, but hey ho, you're the mod so call the thread what you see fit.;)

john316

13-03-2007, 16:09

Who's squirtle?

The most pro-Sony person ever to step foot on Earth

chrisjm

13-03-2007, 16:12

Who's squirtle?

I made a bet with a mate for £20 that it would be possible to buy one on the high street without preordering on launch day or the day after.

What are the odds on me winning, do you reckon?

he's a pokemon.
i think i dont get the in joke though, i just thought it was funny that squirtle was there :)

i think you will win your bet :dork:

Mr M0by

13-03-2007, 16:15

Starting thinking of what you are going to spend your money on now....

fivebyfive

13-03-2007, 16:19

he's a pokemon.
i think i dont get the in joke though, i just thought it was funny that squirtle was there :)

he use to post on here and as john316 put he was the most pro-Sony person ever to step foot on Earth, banned 3 times

Well for a start there is far more anti-Sony sentiment posted in any of the PS3 news threads than anything pro-squirtle like, but hey ho, you're the mod so call the thread what you see fit.;)

I think a lot of the comments are justified as sony have done a lot of things wrong and said things then go back on them.

Mr Majestik

13-03-2007, 16:20

mrwriter

13-03-2007, 17:26

I just cancelled my two preorders in under a minute.

I wonder if there will be a story that there is one PS3 preorder being cancelled every 20 seconds?

chuck norris

13-03-2007, 17:32

I just cancelled my two preorders in under a minute.

I wonder if there will be a story that there is one PS3 preorder being cancelled every 20 seconds?

Can i ask why you cancelled your two preorders?

I havent pre oredered one a i dont think at present there are any games which i would like (Maybe Motorstorm) would be the only one i would buy.

I also dont like the fact that there is no rumble, but hey thats last gen isnt it so why do we need rumble.

IS there a huge demand for the PS3 or are the figures being touted BS?

nsb

13-03-2007, 17:44

Well for a start there is far more anti-Sony sentiment posted in any of the PS3 news threads than anything pro-squirtle like, but hey ho, you're the mod so call the thread what you see fit.;)

Yup, found it quite unbelievable at times, but just gotten used to it on here now :p

mrwriter

13-03-2007, 17:44

I tend to preorder all consoles and decide closer to the time whether I actually want one or not :lol:

I did the same with the Wii.

For me it comes down to the lack of interesting games, the price, the lack of rumble, general disdain for Sony, the price, no achievement points (will wait and see how the trophies thing pans out), the price, not liking the Home concept at all (I hate gimmicks). Oh, and the price.

Can't see a single compelling reason to own a PS3 at launch, hence the cancellation(s).

I don't think there is a huge demand for the PS3 at the current price, but that's just my opinion from what I've been reading and hearing from my gamer friends.

Tob

13-03-2007, 17:48

Yup, found it quite unbelievable at times, but just gotten used to it on here now :p

Same here, I normally have a read of the AV foums for a bit of balance!

I have pre-ordered one and am excited about getting it. Don't have a 360 so the price is justified to me as I recently got a 46" 1080p screen that is gagging for some HD content.

nsb

13-03-2007, 17:54

I recently got a 46" 1080p screen that is gagging for some HD content.

/jealous

paulsaz

13-03-2007, 18:07

yeah it's taken a bit of a beating on here but then so have the 360 for it's lack of anything but fps and shocking reliability and the wii for the mickey mouse control system and complete lack of HD, surround sound etc.

the gaming forums tend to be filled by geeks with more money than sense (and i'm including myself in that bracket) and yet there don't seem to be that many people bothered about getting one. we're a pretty cynical bunch and the way sony have treated the EU (and anyone that dares import to it) leaves them wide open to attack.

we'll all buy one in the end though, we just want to see them squirm a bit first. Come christmas time it will hopefully be cheaper, come with rumbly pads and have a few decent games out for it. i remember the 360 drought of 2006 and have no desire to sit here with a cracking piece of kit with nothing to play on it for months on end again. when there are a few AAA exclusives and it's nearer £300 it'll sell like hot cakes.

Tob

13-03-2007, 18:13

Good post paulsaz, I agree with a lot of that.

/jealous
:) Have been holding off upgrading my 32" CRT for ages and finally took the plunge. Hope HD stuff looks nice on it.

mrwriter

13-03-2007, 18:21

Not seen this posted. No idea if it's true, just posting for reference...

http://www.rpgsite.net/news/227.html

ShakeyJake

13-03-2007, 18:26

I like to thinking I'm doing my bit towards the inevitable price drop by cancelling my preorder today. Sony doesn't know I wasn't going to buy it anyway...

paulsaz

13-03-2007, 18:48

Not seen this posted. No idea if it's true, just posting for reference...

http://www.rpgsite.net/news/227.html

"GAME is one of the few places that guarantees preordered customers a console on launch amid fears from many stores that there will be a huge shortage of the console."

Well that bit certainly isn't true, if you wan't one you're not going to struggle to get one that's for sure..but.. it's not christmas and there are more ps3's in circulation than there were wii's or 360's.

Mr M0by

13-03-2007, 18:48

Not seen this posted. No idea if it's true, just posting for reference...

http://www.rpgsite.net/news/227.html

I'd say it's extremely likely it's true.

:edit: with regards them only fulfilling 2/3 of their allocation so far.

MetalGearAl

13-03-2007, 18:55

I think the difference was I was sorely tempted to pick up a 360 at launch - rang around trying to find one, etc. - but I didn't and left it 10 months. I was pretty glad I did in the end as I've got a while left on my warranty and a good range of games was out when I picked it up.

However, with the PS3 I don't feel remotely enticed into picking one up. I imagine I'll want one eventually, but like I did with the PS2 I can't see this happening till at least a year after the release.

KRW

13-03-2007, 19:00

Yup, found it quite unbelievable at times, but just gotten used to it on here now :p

I like to think we give all consoles a bit of a kicking, I've certainly slagged off the wii and the 360 enough. I'll get a PS3 eventually, of course, like lots of us on here and will continue to give it a right slagging whenever I see fit (same as the 360 and wii).

LouBarlow

13-03-2007, 19:00

Filling only 2/3s of an allocation means little though if the allocation is 10x the other consoles...Sony have actually done something right by putting a shedload of consoles out there surely?

nsb

13-03-2007, 19:03

I like to think we give all consoles a bit of a kicking, I've certainly slagged off the wii and the 360 enough. I'll get a PS3 eventually, of course, like lots of us on here and will continue to give it a right slagging whenever I see fit (same as the 360 and wii).

Yep, but compared to all the other forums I go to that are pretty balanced, this forum is just scary when Sony is concerned - i just come in for comedic value seeing whats being slagged off today, can't wait till launch :lol:

sirp

13-03-2007, 19:07

Filling only 2/3s of an allocation means little though if the allocation is 10x the other consoles...Sony have actually done something right by putting a shedload of consoles out there surely?

totally agree. It seems that to have decent sales on something in the gaming world, it has to sellout. Its easy to arrange a sellout, just dont ship as many units.

make 700K* 360's available, take 800K orders, amazing success, and all the sellout blurb

make 1M* PS3's avaialble, take 900K orders, many still available, its a failure

what happened to the world where stuff you wanted you could buy and be happy :D

ok, sony has screwed us on price and delays, but at least you can get one at launch if you desire.

*numbers in thread totally made up of course

Grandmaster

13-03-2007, 19:08

Any idea on the exact weight of a US 60GB PlayStation 3 package? The one without the free Blu-ray disc. The reason I ask is that I don't have the means to accurately weigh mine and I need to ship it back to the USA for repair/replacement.

fivebyfive

13-03-2007, 19:09

Yep, but compared to all the other forums I go to that are pretty balanced, this forum is just scary when Sony is concerned -

some don't like being lied to or find it funny when sony go back on what they say. I wouldn't say neogaf is "balanced" :wave:

dvdenquirer

13-03-2007, 19:12

RobDickinson

13-03-2007, 19:15

nsb

13-03-2007, 19:20

some don't like being lied to or find it funny when sony go back on what they say. I wouldn't say neogaf is "balanced" :wave:

You wouldn't though. :wave:

Can find perfectly good discussions on AVForums and NTSC-UK. NeoGAF is pretty balanced, they generally have enough of each side whatever is discussed.

EDIT : Tbh, if GAF isn't balanced, its in the Wii/360 favour, because the PS3 does take quite a battering on GAF each week when the Media Create / NPD sales figures arrive. I just like GAF because it does have a lot of good posters on there when you filter out all the retards, it has magazine writers, devs, MS employees, people from GS, IGN and 1up etc, and you can get a good scope on how things are faring in Japan and not just USA/EU.

sirp

13-03-2007, 19:21

Wow, the way people are spinning this, it's hilarious. If the motto of more units means less chance of a sellout then how do you explain the Wii still being incredibly difficult to pick up in the UK?

Nobody wants the PS3 till it's cheaper, and actually has something worth playing.

its not a motto, its just odds/statisitcs, and i gave just an example of figures, as i have no idea what they are, just assumptions. But i guarantee you that if SONY/MS/NINTENDO had 5 million units on the UK shelves at release, they would not sell out.

and im not spinning anything, im not 12 years old, a politician, or in sales or marketing.

i would explain the Wii being difficult to pick up due to a combination of supply and demand like anything else, and again without exact statistics who knows which is the major contributor.

i totally agree with you about price being a huge factor, as it is for me. i will not buy one until its 300 quid for me to get one, new, or second hand. I can afford one, but i wont pay that.

ShakeyJake

13-03-2007, 19:24

anephric

13-03-2007, 19:29

The Xbox was built like a Panzer, mind, and MS fell over themselves last-gen customer-service wise. Shame they don't so much now, but that's playing second fiddle for you - they have to have something to say they're better than the market leader on. Since they're market leader now, they don't have to bother so much.

nsb

13-03-2007, 19:35

nsb Sony have developed a reputation in the previous few years. Mistreating customers, locked in tech, poor quality control, illegal root kits etc. And their BS spin for the PS3 has bit them on the arse many times.

There only reaping what they have sown.

For example the rumble/imersion debacle, that was only last week, within a day one guy(senior too) says its a last gen feature , then suddenly there mates with immersion again and rumble is great..

Sony have huge PR problems, and I've said before, the sooner everything comes from Harrison the better. Last week was one of Sony's best weeks regarding the PS3, but you wouldn't get that impression on these forums like you would elsewhere.

It doesn't matter, my original intention was to point out how someone could get banned for being Pro Sony when there are countless others that are much worse being Anti-Sony. Not that I come into this thread looking for a good discussion on the PS3 these days anyway...

mr_woo

13-03-2007, 19:42

Sony have huge PR problems, and I've said before, the sooner everything comes from Harrison the better. Last week was one of Sony's best weeks regarding the PS3, but you wouldn't get that impression on these forums like you would elsewhere.

It doesn't matter, my original intention was to point out how someone could get banned for being Pro Sony when there are countless others that are much worse being Anti-Sony. Not that I come into this thread looking for a good discussion on the PS3 these days anyway...

I have never seen anyone worse than Squirtle for bias when it came to consoles in general, you could never even have a decent discussion with him, it was just 'Sony is great!!!!' and he would dismiss any other opinion, I really don't know how you could have considered anyone worse than him (be they for Nintendo or Microsoft) and when he got banned he was close enough to trolling.

Whilst Sony do get a slagging quite a bit here a lot of it is fully justified, especially for their PR debacle but you can be sure when good games come out they will be treated fairly and seen as good. To me bias is where even the games would be written off as rubbish and that just isn't true, once more good games start appearing I'm sure plenty of people will talk about them and give them their due. Also a lot of people slagging Sony and the PS3 have even stated they'd buy one when it gets cheaper and has more good games out for it, hardly unreasonable.

I just hope they reduce the price of the PS3 within the next year so I can get one, £425 is just a bit too much for my impulsive purchasing wallets and I want to play MGS4 damnit :D

fivebyfive

13-03-2007, 19:42

It doesn't matter, my original intention was to point out how someone could get banned for being Pro Sony when there are countless others that are much worse being Anti-Sony.

he was not banned for being Pro Sony, it was because he trolled and insulted people and got banned 3 times

nsb

13-03-2007, 19:45

Ah okay, fair nuff :nuts:

Grandmaster

13-03-2007, 19:46

Let's be honest - Sony has misrepresented the console in so many ways, it defies explanation. The constant abuse of the European customer is also tiresome.

And yet... despite the fact that one of my PS3s has died (the one I can't get replaced by SCEE) I think it's a strong product. I like the machine, I like the way everything is built-in and works, I think the front-end is distinguished and classy, and I like the way I get updates every few weeks rather than twice a year. I also think the value offered by the PlayStation Store will be a real wake-up call to Xbox Live Marketplace. I'm not sure people will tolerate decades-old creaky arcade games for £3 when PS3 is doing Lemmings for 50p-£1 cheaper.

As a product then I think it's very strong and as the price inevitably begins to fall you have to wonder what Xbox can do to battle it. As far as I can see, the only problem for PS3 is that right now, Xbox does games to the same level and it's a lot cheaper for what is essentially the same core experience.

In terms of media playback, neither machine has it right. But whoever supports XviD first is going to sell a VERY large amount of units... and I reckon Microsoft will be doing this sooner or later.

kiran_mk2

13-03-2007, 19:46

Surely no one can deny that Sony are the new Nintendo: totally dominant from the previous generation but abusing their power. From their execs stating that people would still buy the PS3 even if it had no games (though it is probably true) to the BR drive that delayed the launch and shot the cost up. Now they seem to have started to loose their nerve - I'm sure behind closed doors they're already trying to work out how to spin the reintroduction of rumble when it flies in the face of everything they've said so far and now they've got the $600 standalone BR player coming out it makes the PS3 look less value. Their attitude to importing is stuck in the 90s, but the others aren't really much better. I thought Nintendo were on the way with the region-free DS, but no. Surely it's better PR to offer people who buy the consoles from their own region a bonus like a free 2nd controller or extra warranty over those who import rather than trying to stop people buying your product.

I don't want PS3 to fail because then MS will become the dominant force and the same things will most likely happen next time around, but I hope it at least teaches Sony to treat the customers with respect.

LouBarlow

13-03-2007, 19:49

In terms of media playback, neither machine has it right. But whoever supports XviD first is going to sell a VERY large amount of units... and I reckon Microsoft will be doing this sooner or later.

Can't you already stream xvids from your PC over a network on the 360?

RobDickinson

13-03-2007, 19:51

"decades-old creaky arcade games for £3 when PS3 is doing Lemmings for 50p-£1 cheaper"

Lemmings isnt exactly next gen...:D

"you have to wonder what Xbox can do to battle it" - Have top class games (Mass effect, GoW, Halo3 etc etc), play HD movies, act as an IPTV/PVR.

The 360 will always have as good (technicaly) games as the PS3.

As for Xvid, I dont expect either MS or Sony to officialy support that format - tho both will from 3rd parties.

ShakeyJake

13-03-2007, 19:54

Can't you already stream xvids from your PC over a network on the 360?

You can with transcoding but, regardless of what some people say, the quality is terrible.

lentini

13-03-2007, 20:08

You can with transcoding but, regardless of what some people say, the quality is terrible.

i disagree totally, I regularly watch xvids via Transcode360 and the quality is great (as long as the quality of the original file is good, of course)

anephric

13-03-2007, 20:15

Sony's attitude to importing is only bettered by Sega's banning of imported Dreamcast stuff on eBay, and that worked out well for them, didn't it?

ShakeyJake

13-03-2007, 20:23

i disagree totally, I regularly watch xvids via Transcode360 and the quality is great (as long as the quality of the original file is good, of course)

I've tried VLC and Transcode360 and spent ages tweaking settings and never managed to get a picture anywhere near XBMC.

They'll never allow xvid to be played through the console or why would anyone pay to download TV shows off marketplace?

mrwriter

13-03-2007, 20:38

Transcode360 gives great quality for me too...

Or it did until I replaced it with a proper HTPC - now I simply don't care :lol:

Grandmaster

13-03-2007, 20:38

"decades-old creaky arcade games for £3 when PS3 is doing Lemmings for 50p-£1 cheaper"

Lemmings isnt exactly next gen...:D

Just been playing it. It's good, solid, has proper 720p graphics, nice animation... in short it's been reworked from scratch as a budget PS3 title. It's a world apart from the majority of the Live Arcade shovelware that is getting tiresome, quite frankly. Tekken for £6.99 is phenomenal value.

"you have to wonder what Xbox can do to battle it" - Have top class games (Mass effect, GoW, Halo3 etc etc), play HD movies, act as an IPTV/PVR.

The 360 will always have as good (technicaly) games as the PS3.

Well, key multiformat developers are not quite as sure as you on the last point, but the one thing that is for certain is that the Xbox 360 SDK is far more programmer friendly.

PS3 can play HD movies, will have its own exclusive games, and I fully expect the media functions to grow rapidly. As I said, Sony release many more updates than Microsoft does.

As for Xvid, I dont expect either MS or Sony to officialy support that format - tho both will from 3rd parties.

I've been in contact with one of the Xbox dashboard developers and they are looking at it very seriously, although their number one concern is to upgrade the WMV decoder as it's only single-threaded (unlike the HD DVD VC-1 decoder) and can't run very demanding WMV files.

ShakeyJake

13-03-2007, 20:40

I've been in contact with one of the Xbox dashboard developers and they are looking at it very seriously, although their number one concern is to upgrade the WMV decoder as it's only single-threaded (unlike the HD DVD VC-1 decoder) and can't run very demanding WMV files.

If they worked that into the Spring update I'd be VERY happy :D

RobDickinson

13-03-2007, 20:47

I know that DTS and improved sound is coming in spring, the ability to support Xvid isnt in question , both machines surely can, its the political will to allow it that I doubt.

"As I said, Sony release many more updates than Microsoft does."

Mainly because they have too - their retail product was much further from functionaly complete than the 360.

anephric

13-03-2007, 20:57

Just from playing Motorstorm for a brief time, I'd be amazed if the 360 could pull the same game off without graphical shortcuts. The real point is, however, that format-exclusive games seem to be thinner on the ground for Sony than MS at the moment, and if third-party multiformat titles are roughly identical on PS3/360 (or even inferior on PS3, as many launch titles have been) you have to struggle to feel the draw of PS3 at the mo, outside of Blu-Ray. Sure, the PS3 store seems decent enough, but at the moment the PlayStation Network is fairly lame compared to Live. It's sure to improve, but is missing many things you'd have thought Sony would've had in place from scratch, seeing as they were there in Xbox1-era Live.

RobDickinson

13-03-2007, 21:01

The 360's graphics is more competent than the PS3's. The Cell is better than the Xenon.

But it takes 2-5 times as much work to acheive the same results on the PS3.

I'm sure exclusives, if funded well enough will shine on the PS3. Ports probably wont.

Remember motorstorm was supposed to usher in true HD gaming at 1080/60 lol.

Bingo Bongo

13-03-2007, 21:04

I think I may be what Sony would see as one of their key target audiences. I have the cash available and just needed that little bit of convincing to push me over the edge. I have 2 kids, both also into games, but (like me) neither convinced by the PS3.

Bottom line is there is nothing I've seen on the PS3 so far that I have to own. Nothings pulling that Mastercard from the oh-so light grip I have on it.

I popped into a Game store on Saturday, the assistant vainly trying to convince me that "this was the one to have", only to skulk away when he too realised that devoid of a "must have" title, it remains just a promise - a potentially great console.

ONE DAY it may well be console to own. Just not today. So my attention turns to the 360. Several killer games, maybe this is the beast I need to keep me going for the next 12-18 months and the PS3's finally "ready"?

By then its either proved itself (and its price dropped), or its joined a long list of consoles which didnt quite hit the spot. If is the latter than I've lost nothing, if its the former then I get a machine with better games for less money - I'm quid's in!

Cheers

Jez

nsb

13-03-2007, 21:09

Motorstorm is so fun online :clap:

LouBarlow

13-03-2007, 21:35

Not 425 notes worth of fun though :D

kiran_mk2

13-03-2007, 23:26

I think I may be what Sony would see as one of their key target audiences. I have the cash available and just needed that little bit of convincing to push me over the edge. I have 2 kids, both also into games, but (like me) neither convinced by the PS3.

If you're not rushing out to buy it straight away cos it's a Playstation then I don't think you're in Sony's target audience...

Saber

14-03-2007, 00:42

Someone probably mentioned this already but it is ironic that someone named after a Nintendo character is in fact a Sony fanboy.

My brother has preordered a PS3, I think it is a waste of money especially as he does not play games but just wants it for the Blu-ray player, he tells me blu-ray movies cost £40 though!

If that is true, what a rip off.

He is in Canada at the moment and was tempted to buy one there too, I said it was a bad idea because of the regions but he says the PS3 games are apparently region free which does not sound like a Sony thing to me considering them sueing Lik-Sang etc. I'm too lazy to check though, he says all the magazines say it is.

john316

14-03-2007, 06:34

Blu-ray £40 a shot? :lol:

Around £15 delivered from the US is your typical sort of rate

Fozzybear

14-03-2007, 06:52

I popped into a Game store on Saturday, the assistant vainly trying to convince me that "this was the one to have", only to skulk away when he too realised that devoid of a "must have" title, it remains just a promise - a potentially great console.

Just dipping into the thread as I keep walking past Game in Chelmsford and seeing the pre-order posters for the PS3 saying 'we've still got ones you can pre-order, only £425' (or whatever it is). I'm not really following the stories for these new consoles as gaming is not something I do much anymore but it raises a grin when I see it.

It may well turn out to be a sell-out launch, what do I know, but it seems like they could fall on their face here. Will I buy one? Definitely not, I'm perfectly happy with the occasional game of GT4 on my PS2 and I don't own a hi-def TV to make use of it anyway. When the PS2/GT3 bundle dropped to £200 it was 'just' worth buying it, but now the only console that comes close to interesting me is the Nintedo wee ;) but even then I'm not that interested - just a tickle of curiosity.

Maybe I'm turning into an old git! :lol:

cluderi

14-03-2007, 07:24

I've enjoyed reading the PS3 threads (especially the comments by Squirtle and the following comments from people trying to reach him from the real world).

I have to admit at first I really wanted the PS3 to fail miserably, Sonys attitude has been astoundingly bad for quite some time and they really don't do themselves any favours.

But when the UK release was announced I started to come around the PS3 a little more, I checked out the release titles and only Motorstorm holds any interest for me (I have to admit it looks a lot of fun).

A few people I know have dabbled with the idea of pre-ordering one and each one has said the same thing. It's too expensive at launch and the A+ titles aren't there, I'll probably get one in a years time when the price is lower and there is a better software catalogue.

The PS3 might be more a slow burner than an instant success, give them 12 to 18 months to release the better games and possibly drop the price slightly and I can see it gaining a lot more popularity.

Bingo Bongo

14-03-2007, 08:45

If you're not rushing out to buy it straight away cos it's a Playstation then I don't think you're in Sony's target audience...

Well lets put it this way, I'm a bloke with cash burning a hole in my pocket and I love computer games and new technology.

If thats not one of their their target markets then they really ARE in trouble :lol: :lol: :lol:

Cheers

Jez

nsb

14-03-2007, 11:23

Not 425 notes worth of fun though :D

Nope - thats why i didn't pay that much :p

mrwriter

14-03-2007, 11:47

Well lets put it this way, I'm a bloke with cash burning a hole in my pocket and I love computer games and new technology.

If thats not one of their their target markets then they really ARE in trouble :lol: :lol: :lol:

Me too. I'm actually looking around for something else to spend the money on now :lol:

I'm sure it will be a more attractive proposition in a year's time, but right now I'd just be getting it for the sake of having it, and at 425 quid that's just not enough of a reason...

JohnMac

14-03-2007, 12:35

That game I was really looking forward to from Naughty Dog, this one ( http://www.naughtydog.com/comingsoon/index.html), has undergone a few changes since the E3 2006 footage (see link above). The main character is now more a cross between John McClane and Indiana Jones. Don't think much of the title of the game: Uncharted: Drake's Fortune.

roadkill_88

14-03-2007, 13:28

Kids are gonna love this, hell i think i'd like it myself :p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Taiurn541SE

Tube doesn't do it justice though, looks awesome in HD.

KRW

14-03-2007, 13:50

The little big thing does look absolutely amazing. ^

Mandrill

14-03-2007, 15:36

Indeed ..now if they can give me a sonic game that looks like that then I could be intrested.I hate 3d platform games :mad:

DK_UK

14-03-2007, 17:36

Has there been any word on if the EU PS3 games will be 50hz or 60hz?

john316

14-03-2007, 17:39

Has there been any word on if the EU PS3 games will be 50hz or 60hz?

Not really an issue now in the HD age

RobDickinson

14-03-2007, 19:22

It'll be 61Hz, one better than the 360 says sony.

DK_UK

14-03-2007, 21:07

Not really an issue now in the HD age

How so?

I don't quite follow you.

Blu-Ray/HD-DVD titles are 50hz over here and thats hi def, so us Europeans still have to put up with incorrect speed films etc.

Why is it any different for games?

KRW

14-03-2007, 21:15

Not really an issue now in the HD age

its a pain in the arse if your using VGA and can't switch to 50hz for stuff.

john316

15-03-2007, 06:35

How so?

I don't quite follow you.

Blu-Ray/HD-DVD titles are 50hz over here and thats hi def, so us Europeans still have to put up with incorrect speed films etc.

Why is it any different for games?

All games are fired out at 60hz due to the resolutions involved in HD - there are no 50hz 360 games and there will be no 50hz PS3 games. It would require more work to make it 50hz :nuts:

Dack

15-03-2007, 07:47

Wonder if Microsoft are going to be a bit narked at Game's attempts at selling the pre-orders.

http://www.ukresistance.co.uk/2007/03/europe-at-war-bluewater-game-resorts-to.html

Warning - link contains swearing.

Comparing the PS3 and the 360 they use such things as:
Full backward compatible with all your PS1 and PS2 games
Screen size upto 1080p

whereas the 360 has:
Backwards compatible with approx 75% Xbox games after patch downloaded
Screen size upto 1080i

Includes the price of the HD cable for the 360 but not the PS3, doesn't mention the 'rumble'.

Nice of them to put the 'comparison' over a pile of Xbox 360's too.

cluderi

15-03-2007, 07:52

Mr M0by

15-03-2007, 07:57

That was posted in the last thread. I wouldn't read too much into that just yet seeing as the Pal PS3s were boxed for retail some time ago and there will most certainly be an update on launch day.

ShakeyJake

15-03-2007, 07:57

More great news for people with pre-orders.

here (http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38191)

Turns out that someone got their hands on a pre-release console and tested the top 12 PS2 games on it. Only one worked.

It was said earlier in the thread but the new firmware will be released in time for launch, so it's a pretty much meaningless piece of journalism.

lentini

15-03-2007, 07:58

cluderi

15-03-2007, 07:58

It was said earlier in the thread but the new firmware will be released in time for launch, so it's a pretty much meaningless piece of journalism.

Fair enough, I did look but must have missed it.

Apologies for the non information.

Dack

15-03-2007, 08:17

It was said earlier in the thread but the new firmware will be released in time for launch, so it's a pretty much meaningless piece of journalism.

Not exactly meaningless - that is the firmware people will be getting in their machines when they pick them up.

Until they connect to their internet and download the firmware update then that will be the BC.

The current list now would seem to be 1200 games according to Phil Harrison - so assuming they want to test firmware before doing a roll out I would imagine that would be close to the number in the 1.6 release.

So it's now upto about 50% compat (instead of the US and JP 98%+ ). Still no indication of which will work though.

ShakeyJake

15-03-2007, 08:35

Not exactly meaningless - that is the firmware people will be getting in their machines when they pick them up.

Until they connect to their internet and download the firmware update then that will be the BC.

The current list now would seem to be 1200 games according to Phil Harrison - so assuming they want to test firmware before doing a roll out I would imagine that would be close to the number in the 1.6 release.

So it's now upto about 50% compat (instead of the US and JP 98%+ ). Still no indication of which will work though.

It's exactly the same as anyone that bought a 360 at launch. Unless they've connected it to the internet or bought any games with the updates included on them they'll still only be able to play Halo 2.

lentini

15-03-2007, 08:57

It's exactly the same as anyone that bought a 360 at launch. Unless they've connected it to the internet or bought any games with the updates included on them they'll still only be able to play Halo 2.

Microsoft stated it would be via software emulation from the start, Sony didn't.

KRW

15-03-2007, 09:02

I dont suppose yer average PS3 punter will give a monkey's about whether its software or hardware that provides the emulation?

ShakeyJake

15-03-2007, 09:03

Microsoft stated it would be via software emulation from the start, Sony didn't.

I was commenting about it only being compatible with Eragon, not about Sony backtracking on the hardware back-compat. Microsoft said they'd release decent games on XBLA, where are they?

lentini

15-03-2007, 09:07

I was commenting about it only being compatible with Eragon, not about Sony backtracking on the hardware back-compat.

...and I was commenting how Sony stated that the PS3 would be BC with 99% of PS2 titles at launch, then said 'oh hang on, it'll be more like 50% for the European launch until a patch is released'

fivebyfive

15-03-2007, 09:08

I dont suppose yer average PS3 punter will give a monkey's about whether its software or hardware that provides the emulation?

but they will care if they can't play all their ps2 games

ShakeyJake

15-03-2007, 09:12

...and I was commenting how Sony stated that the PS3 would be BC with 99% of PS2 titles at launch, then said 'oh hang on, it'll be more like 50% for the European launch until a patch is released'

Fair enough. Birds live in trees.

lentini

15-03-2007, 09:14

Fair enough. Birds live in trees.

except domesticated ones, they live in cages :D

ShakeyJake

15-03-2007, 09:17

except domesticated ones, they live in cages :D

They'll fix that in a later update :p

Soprano

15-03-2007, 09:24

Mr Majestik

15-03-2007, 09:35

Full backward compatible with all your PS1 and PS2 games

Bit of a porky there Mr Game.

arkham

15-03-2007, 10:14

Corpsical

15-03-2007, 10:20

sorry if this is a n00b question but is it possible to store video files on the ps3 rather than stream them from a PC? Its the one feature thats missing from the 360 and its something I would love to have

At this moment the PS3 can only store Music/Video/Photos on its Hard Drive so the answer is yes (assuming its in a format it can play), but surely streaming is better? ... I have over a Terrabyte of storage on my Home Network that my PS3 can't access, only my 360 can make use of it.

arkham

15-03-2007, 11:12

At this moment the PS3 can only store Music/Video/Photos on its Hard Drive so the answer is yes (assuming its in a format it can play), but surely streaming is better? ... I have over a Terrabyte of storage on my Home Network that my PS3 can't access, only my 360 can make use of it.

Streaming is def better but my PC sounds like a jet engine and is a bit annoying when trying to watch videos.

If i want to transfer videos will i have to put them on a memory stick or is it possible to just fire them onto a cdr?

Thanks again for the help

lentini

15-03-2007, 13:18

GAME takes action over 'PS3 vs. 360' poster

Unauthorised sign removed from Bluewater store

High street retailer GAME has confirmed that a poster in one of its stores comparing PlayStation 3 with Xbox 360 has been taken down.

As reported by website UK Resistance, the sign - which appeared in the Bluewater Shopping Centre branch of GAME - listed different specs for the two consoles.
It suggested that the cost of extras such as a HD-DVD drive and wireless network adapter push the price of the Xbox 360 up to nearly GBP 485 - while the PS3, which comes with a Blu-ray drive and wireless functionality built-in, is priced at GBP 425.
But according to GAME, the poster was not authorised for use and has now been taken down.

"The incident of the sign in our Bluewater store was conducted by a member of staff, without GAME head office’s approval," a spokesperson told GamesIndustry.biz.
"This sign has since been removed and we have reiterated to all members of staff that the publishing of posters not designed and sent directly by head office is unauthorised. Anyone caught doing so will see the matter be taken further."

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=23525

heh

Mr Majestik

15-03-2007, 13:20

remember that game sign...

Unauthorised sign removed from Bluewater store

High street retailer GAME has confirmed that a poster in one of its stores comparing PlayStation 3 with Xbox 360 has been taken down.

As reported by website UK Resistance, the sign - which appeared in the Bluewater Shopping Centre branch of GAME - listed different specs for the two consoles.

It suggested that the cost of extras such as a HD-DVD drive and wireless network adapter push the price of the Xbox 360 up to nearly GBP 485 - while the PS3, which comes with a Blu-ray drive and wireless functionality built-in, is priced at GBP 425.

But according to GAME, the poster was not authorised for use and has now been taken down.

"The incident of the sign in our Bluewater store was conducted by a member of staff, without GAME head office’s approval," a spokesperson told GamesIndustry.biz.

"This sign has since been removed and we have reiterated to all members of staff that the publishing of posters not designed and sent directly by head office is unauthorised. Anyone caught doing so will see the matter be taken further.

lentini

15-03-2007, 13:24

too slow, dude :D

Terribly_Mauled

15-03-2007, 13:25

I saw the same poster on display in Canterbury Game, before the official promo material arrived.

Also, my local Virgin has stopped taking PS3 preorders

fivebyfive

15-03-2007, 13:26

the member of staff had to be fanboy to make up his own poster to persuade people to get the ps3 :nuts:

Mr M0by

15-03-2007, 13:27

Also, my local Virgin has stopped taking PS3 preorders

Yeah the two games and Virgin here have stopped taking orders - presumably having fulfilled their quota.... i on the other hand have about 50 spare for launch. Just got confirmation of a midnight opening too.

JohnMac

15-03-2007, 14:07

A few PS3 tips from the latest PSM3 magazine link (http://www.john-mac.com/ps3/ps3_page2.jpg). You'll note that this is the second page of three. Some of it is hard to read, sorry about that. If installing Linux is your thing its on the thrid page.

Harsin

15-03-2007, 14:12

Dunny

15-03-2007, 14:16

I saw the same poster on display in Canterbury Game, before the official promo material arrived.

Also, my local Virgin has stopped taking PS3 preorders

game in torquay had that poster the last time i looked

MA55IV££EE D4MaGeee

ShakeyJake

15-03-2007, 14:19

paulsaz

15-03-2007, 14:30

is it just my shocking eyesight or are they trying to claim BR is region free?

edit, must be the shocking eye sight as I missed Harsin's post too :doh:

Tob

15-03-2007, 14:36

Hang on I thought Blu-Ray films were region encoded? :?:

Some are, some aren't...

http://bluray.lindsite.dk/

neilalford

15-03-2007, 14:38

Hang on I thought Blu-Ray films were region encoded? :?:

They are. However the mag claims they're region free but that US and Japanese films wont play because they're NTSC :cuckoo:

KRW

15-03-2007, 14:40

They are. However the mag claims they're region free but that US and Japanese films wont play because they're NTSC :cuckoo:

Marvelous! :lol:

paulsaz

15-03-2007, 14:45

Some are, some aren't...

http://bluray.lindsite.dk/

If we're using that logic then 360 games are multiregion as well.

As a format BR is region coded, some titles work in all regions but thats no different to DVD. To say that BR is region free (as that mag does) is utter ********.

Harsin

15-03-2007, 14:45

Just as with games Blu-Ray movies are region-free too. Play any Blu-Ray on your UK PS3. However your UK PS3 WON'T like American or Japanese DVDs. Your UK machine doesn't support the NTSC video format they use.

Oh noes not the NTSC!

JohnMac

15-03-2007, 14:45

Being a games mag' probably doesn't make movies/DVDs their speciality. Having said that I did enjoy the episode of King of the Hill on their cover DVD.

Dack

15-03-2007, 14:54

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=23525

heh

So that sign was an isolated incident by an over-enthusiatic member of staff and yet Dunny saw it in Torquay and Terribly_Mauled saw it in Canterbury............

:thinking:

john316

15-03-2007, 15:04

They are. However the mag claims they're region free but that US and Japanese films wont play because they're NTSC :cuckoo:

Dearie me :brickwall

lentini

15-03-2007, 15:20

Police express concern over PlayStation 3 launch event

Sony puts measures in place to ensure safety

A spokesperson for Marylebone Police has told GamesIndustry.biz that there are "genuine concerns" over the safety of consumers planning to attend the midnight launch for PlayStation 3.
"We do not support these midnight launches, that is the bottom line. There are inherent problems we can't deal with easily," the spokesperson said.
"If the launches do go ahead, we have to negate the issues as far as we can, but we can't remove the risk factors for people coming to or going away from the store."
The PlayStation 3 will launch in Europe on Friday March 23, and Virgin Megastores's flagship Oxford Street branch will host a special midnight event to mark the occasion.
According to the spokesperson, police have had meetings with Sony and Virgin about how to handle the expected crowds. "In fairness, the store is meeting us half-way," he said. "There won't be any crowds on the street."
The spokesperson explained that the location of the Virgin store makes external crowd management difficult. It's set on a narrow stretch of pavement, which means it's not possible to set up crowd barriers, and is in close proximity to Tottenham Court Road tube station and busy bus stops.
Police are concerned about the safety of consumers travelling both to and from the event, particularly if they leave carrying bags which indicate they are in possession of a PlayStation 3.
"We don't want people walking around London with expensive pieces of equipment late at night. We want Oxford Street to be vibrant and successful, but we don't want victims of crime," the spokesperson said.
Sony said it is doing everything it can to ensure safety at the event, with a spokesperson telling GamesIndustry.biz, "Both Sony PlayStation and Virgin Megastores take the safety and comfort of consumers extremely seriously.
"We've liaised with both the police and Westminster Council, and put a number of measures in place to ensure that everyone attending the midnight launch gets home safely."
A source at Westminster Council confirmed that there have been meetings with Sony and the police, telling GamesIndustry.biz, "We have to make a risk assessment. There is lots of talking at the moment."
The council is particularly concerned about the high value of the console and the time of night the event is taking place. "It's an advert for muggers, basically," the source said.
According to the police spokesperson, "It would be better if these launches were held during the daytime," in order to reduce the risk factors involved for consumers.
"There's also the issue of local residents who live just off Oxford street - events like these often lead to complaints," he added.
However, there is no suggestion that the launch event won't take place - with the spokesperson stating, "It will go ahead, and I'm sure other midnight events will go ahead in future."
The police are advising anyone who attending the PS3 launch to take precautionary measures, such as travelling without cash and with a friend or parent, carrying purchases in an unmarked bag and using licensed cabs to get home. More information is available on our sister site, Eurogamer.net.

...because getting mugged by Sony is enough

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=23532

sirp

15-03-2007, 15:28

why do people go to get a console at midnight?

people have waited since whenever, what does 8 or 9 hours later matter, chuckleheads.

JohnMac

15-03-2007, 15:37

why do people go to get a console at midnight?

people have waited since whenever, what does 8 or 9 hours later matter, chuckleheads.

I got the original XBOX at the midnight launch, I'll not be making that mistake again. I had to wait for ages and by the time I got home all I wanted to do was go to sleep. I did have a quick play on it of course. But it just isn't worth buying it at Midnight, better to wait until you have the time to play on it as well.

sirp

15-03-2007, 15:44

what makes me laugh even more, if when things like the DS are available for many months in other countries, yet DEDICATED GAMERS (as they call themselves when interviewed in the huge line) queue for hours to get one at launch..when a quicky shufty on the internet will bag you one.

MetalGearAl

15-03-2007, 16:10

..when a quicky shufty on the internet will bag you one.
I've done this plenty of times and I never knew we could win a DS from it!?

ShakeyJake

15-03-2007, 16:30

UKR are reporting on more nutty signage coming from Game

http://www.ukresistance.co.uk/2007/03/europe-at-war-horsham-game-has-gone-mad.html

:lol:

sirp

15-03-2007, 16:37

UKR are reporting on more nutty signage coming from Game

http://www.ukresistance.co.uk/2007/03/europe-at-war-horsham-game-has-gone-mad.html

:lol:

well...im now educated, be off to get one at midnight next week :D

ShakeyJake

15-03-2007, 16:49

http://www.digitmag.co.uk/news/index.cfm?NewsID=7527

Sony's PS3 comes bottom in a list of current games consoles' energy efficiency and costs to run in terms of electricity usage – in turn making it the least environmentally-friendly of onsoles. Compared to Nintendo's popular Wii console which costs £2.13 to run per year based on two hours usage per day, 365 days a year, Sony's PS3 racks up a whopping £47.69 based on the same usage.

Ouch. Is that true? The site they link to claims the 360 would cost £20.71 over a year.

lentini

15-03-2007, 16:50

UKR are reporting on more nutty signage coming from Game

http://www.ukresistance.co.uk/2007/03/europe-at-war-horsham-game-has-gone-mad.html

:lol:

:oh-hum: unbelievable

ryonhilluk

15-03-2007, 16:59

That latest Game advert can't be true!! can it??

roadkill_88

15-03-2007, 17:16

I got the original XBOX at the midnight launch, I'll not be making that mistake again. I had to wait for ages and by the time I got home all I wanted to do was go to sleep. I did have a quick play on it of course. But it just isn't worth buying it at Midnight, better to wait until you have the time to play on it as well.

I went to pick GTA:SA up at Midnight. Utter disaster, never again. I think i played it for 15 minutes and just went to bed.

JohnMac

15-03-2007, 17:41

http://www.digitmag.co.uk/news/index.cfm?NewsID=7527

Ouch. Is that true? The site they link to claims the 360 would cost £20.71 over a year.

Edit: Why does the PS3 consume so much electricity in comparison to the 360? How much does the average PC use?

staffyman

15-03-2007, 17:57

I went to pick GTA:SA up at Midnight. Utter disaster, never again. I think i played it for 15 minutes and just went to bed.

Did the same for Halo 2 when that was released... Same result. Played it for about half an hour and then went to bed as I had to be at work the next day.

Nowadays I'd rather just save a few quid, order the game/console/whatever online and play it whenever it turns up... If that's release day then 'bonus'.

degeneration

15-03-2007, 18:16

I've been surprised how many people, knowing that I'm a avid gamer, are surprised that I have no intention of buying a PS3.

My gaming budget is pretty huge each month, but there is nothing that I want on the PS3. In fact it took me a while to get a 360. Without the games what is the point? (Except for the honour of having a blu-ray player thank you very much mr sony for forcing that one on us, but I've bought a HDDVD so boo sucks to you)

RobDickinson

15-03-2007, 19:34

PS3 does burn more power than the 360, the Wii is effectivly an old sinclair calculator reboxed so thats why it runs on solar power..

ozric99

15-03-2007, 20:00

Ouch. Is that true? The site they link to claims the 360 would cost £20.71 over a year.
The last time figures like that were doing the rounds it turned out the blogger in question wasn't aware of simple electrical concepts (shock horror). :nuts:

The PS3 is something in the region of 10% more power hungry than the 360. It's worth noting that neither 360 or PS3 will use as much as your PC.

ShakeyJake

15-03-2007, 20:03

The last time figures like that were doing the rounds it turned out the blogger in question wasn't aware of simple electrical concepts (shock horror). :nuts:

The PS3 is something in the region of 10% more power hungry than the 360. It's worth noting that neither 360 or PS3 will use as much as your PC.

I have to admit in the past I'd wondered if a 1000w PSU uses 2x the electricity as a 500w one on a PC. Is that not the case?

RobDickinson

15-03-2007, 20:03

Especialy when its running dual 8800's :D

RobDickinson

15-03-2007, 20:06

I have to admit in the past I'd wondered if a 1000w PSU uses 2x the electricity as a 500w one on a PC. Is that not the case?

Depends.

The PSU will only supply the current drawn, so if whatve there both pluged into is only using 200w then you have to look to the efficiency of the PSU. That can range from 40-80% so the 500w one could draw as much power as the 1000w one.

Remember PC power supplies are rated on current supplied to the PC not drawn in order to supply.

ShakeyJake

15-03-2007, 20:16

Depends.

The PSU will only supply the current drawn, so if whatve there both pluged into is only using 200w then you have to look to the efficiency of the PSU. That can range from 40-80% so the 500w one could draw as much power as the 1000w one.

Remember PC power supplies are rated on current supplied to the PC not drawn in order to supply.

Ahh right. I always get confused with wattage\voltage\etc. :D

RobDickinson

15-03-2007, 20:27

Theres a simple relation between wats , volts & amps.

watts/volts = amps - you can switch it round & work any on eof the 3 values out from the other 2.

So 1000w @ 240v is 4 amps.

But as said theres an 'efficiency; thing going on, if the PSU outputs 1000w but is only 75% efficient then it will draw 1300w, the rest converted to heat etc.

ShakeyJake

15-03-2007, 20:30

I can see me taking this way off topic, so I'll stop with my questions. Think I've grasped the basics :thumbs:

TonyG

15-03-2007, 21:53

sirp

15-03-2007, 22:00

KRW

15-03-2007, 22:09

Getting back to reality for a second, I finally had a look at the full presentation of LittleBigPlanet & for the first time i've been truly blown away by a piece of PS3 software & witnessed something that looks semi-original & displays graphical & physics content beyond anything the 360 has to offer.

Obviously it's still not nearly enough to make me rush out & buy one, but for me it's the first proper indication that the PS3 may have more to offer above & beyond what i've currently got with the 360.

I was thinking that, and thought 'now show me a Silent Hill game running with the same sort of graphics and I'm in'.

On midnight launches, I went to one for GTA:SA and it was brilliant. Then went home and played it for hours. :dork:

sirp

15-03-2007, 22:10

funny thing is, hated the games, thought the movie was clever :)

RobDickinson

15-03-2007, 22:11

I'm not convinced the 360 couldnt do it, but it is one of the games more suited to the Cells abilities (i.e. lots of physics).

Now theres some February Sales data on consoles(courtesy of vgacharts):

Nintendo DS 485,149
Wii 335,324
PlayStation 2 295,102
Xbox 360 228,225
PlayStation Portable 175,651
Game Boy Advance 135,887
PlayStation 3 127,321
GameCube 23,844
Xbox 480

And Canada:
PS2 23,191
DS 22,870
360 12,390
PS3 6,084

Even I cant beleive the 360 is still outselling the PS3 considering how long its been out and the rumours of a new version soon.

sirp

15-03-2007, 22:16

who the hell is still buying the ps2!!!!! i currently have one blocking a draft in my garage

RobDickinson

15-03-2007, 22:25

who the hell is still buying the ps2!!!!! i currently have one blocking a draft in my garage

Plenty people, obviously.

My mate just bought one (slimline) for xmas for his girls (7 and 5) to play Buzz junior & singstar. Plenty of others are in the same boat I think.

dazkelly

15-03-2007, 23:20

HMV are at it again - the offer this week is entry into a prize draw for a 42" plasma TV.

Seems like there is gonna be a lot of availability in 8 days time. (not that I'm getting one - price is gonna have to drop for me).

MaleStrom

15-03-2007, 23:27

Just got the latest NPD slaes figures from B3d and boy does it make some horrorific reading for all those Sony fans!

Hardware
Nintendo DS............485,000
Wii........................335,000
PlayStation 2...........295,000
Xbox 360................228,000
PlayStation Portable..176,000
Game Boy Advance...136,000
PlayStation 3...........127,000
GameCube.................24,000
Xbox............................480

Ouch!
What I find interesting is that if you add the Japan sales figures, then the 360 is still thrashing the PS3.........but both are being hammered by the Wii (which is selling more than the other 2 combined).

Software

360 CRACKDOWN 427K
WII PLAY W/ REMOTE 371K
NDS DIDDY KONG RACING 262K
WII LEGEND OF ZELDA: TWILIGHT PRINCESS 130K
PS2 GUITAR HERO 2 W/GUITAR 130K
360 GEARS OF WAR 119K
360 MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL 2K7 113K
360 LOST PLANET: EXTREME CONDITION 111K
WII WARIOWARE: SMOOTH MOVES 109K
360 NBA STREET HOMECOURT 102k
Looks like a blinding month for the 360 in software, and a very noticeable lack of any PS3 games in there! :suspect:

TonyG

15-03-2007, 23:34

says the man who wants to buy bulletwitch :lol: :lol: :lol:
Oi! ... Only when it hits the bargain bins, just like the PS3. :p

RobDickinson

15-03-2007, 23:44

Didnt virtua fighter 5 launch in Feb? hmm s'not looking good for the 3rd place...

unrealnils

15-03-2007, 23:45

NDS is the best console out for me right now so nice to see it at top spot :D

MaleStrom

15-03-2007, 23:57

What I find amazing is that the PSP and GBA both outsold the PS3....the GBA for fudge sake!!!

Xenomorph

16-03-2007, 00:05

PS3 gets raped!

This ain't NEOGAF ;)

home_bas

16-03-2007, 00:27

Yeah, but shifting units is so last gen... ;)

TigaSefi

16-03-2007, 07:07

:clap: Sony getting everything they deserve!!!

KRW

16-03-2007, 07:14

360's being thrashed by the PS2 which, as Sony would say, is its direct competition being as its sooo last gen now, so could the thread title be changed to reflect that? I'd say the PS3 is doing far better than its detractors would like, given the strong sales of the PS2 and the fact that the PS3 is a rather pricey option now.

Imagine all those people buying PS2's now will eventually jump ship to the PS3, then the future is very rosey indeed for Sony. Less so for MS until tjhey announce the X720 or whatever they do next.

cjanderson

16-03-2007, 07:37

What I find amazing is that the PSP and GBA both outsold the PS3....the GBA for fudge sake!!!

handhelds have always pretty much outsold consoles over time.

Harsin

16-03-2007, 07:41

This ain't NEOGAF ;)

Agreed! :gag:

Merging Threads

MetalGearAl

16-03-2007, 08:14

That latest Game advert can't be true!! can it??
Yes, it's true - a PC + Blue-ray player DO cost more than a PS3 :D

RobDickinson

16-03-2007, 08:15

Imagine all those people buying PS2's now.

An awfull lot of those sales are likely replacing broken existing units, only takes a very small %, and there not buying many games with them...

ShakeyJake

16-03-2007, 08:21

:clap: Sony getting everything they deserve!!!

I can't see them crying themselves to sleep at night. They make money on every one of those PS2s they sell. The 360 and PS3 are still loss leaders.

KRW

16-03-2007, 08:26

An awfull lot of those sales are likely replacing broken existing units, only takes a very small %, and there not buying many games with them...

Really, on what basis? Surely to replace a broken one, people would be more likely to put the cash towards an eventual PS3 if they paid top whack for a PS2.

I'd imagine its to play stuff like Guitar Hero (which is selling pretty well) and people getting them for one off purchases as its pretty cheap now and so are second hand PS2 games. The same people who will be buying the PS3 when its £99 or whatever.

john316

16-03-2007, 08:28

but both are being hammered by the Wii (which is selling more than the other 2 combined)

The nice price point helps it a lot compared to a Premium 360 and PS3

MetalGearAl

16-03-2007, 08:49

I still know people who are picking up PS2s, especially after the Asda sale. I bet a large amount of people don't buy consoles in even their first 2 years of sales, until they come under the £100 mark.

With the huge catalogue and declining price, PS2 seems a damn good purchase to me now.

Mr M0by

16-03-2007, 09:16

God of War 2 will probably shift a couple more too.

beebul

16-03-2007, 09:27

who the hell is still buying the ps2!!!!! i currently have one blocking a draft in my garage :wave:

Anyone spending £400+ on a console is a moron IMHO. Even if they have the money, which I do myself, it's lunacy.

I consider myself to be an 'enthusiastic' gamer but I've never blown silly money on getting a new system just because it's <i>new.</i> It reminds me of those spoilt kids at Xmas who have to have the latest thing, just because it is the latest thing. Yeah, I'm interested in the technology hence reading this thread, but I have more than enough games to be playing before the price becomes reasonable (i.e. sub-£100)

If I look at the consoles I've owned, plus how much I've paid for them, it comes at under the price of a new PS3. That's for around 20 years of gaming..

NES - £10 second hand
Master System - £10 s/h
Megadrive - £30 s/h
SNES - £40 s/h
N64 - £40 s/h
PS1 - £129 New
Dreamcast - £25 New
GBA SP - £40 New
Gamecube - £50 New
Xbox1 - £50 New

My next purchase will probably be a cheap PS2.

Guess I just have better things to blow my cash on.. :shrug:

JohnMac

16-03-2007, 09:42

Why wouldn't people still be buying PS2 consoles. They are cheap, the games are cheap, huge back catalogue, games still being released, the slimline PS2 is small and quiet. So far this year I've purchased Final Fantasy XII (£29.99), Okami (£24.99), Vice City Stories (£15) and the SEGA Mega Drive Collection (27+ games for £15). I'll be buying Rogue Galaxy and God of War 2 soon as well (won't be buying Burnout: Dominator because there's no Crash mode). Okami is the best game I've played so far this year by a long way, Vice City Stories is more of the same but thats a good thing, the Mega Drive collection was a good trip down memory lane (how much do you pay for Virtual Console/XBLA games again?). From a strictly financial point of view NOW is the time to buy a PS2 and stock up on the best PS2 games while you can still get them 'new' and if you don't trust Sony to make the PS3 backwards compatible even buy a second PS2 for the long term.

All this probably makes me sound like a Sony fanboy but I got the XBOX at launch, I own a 360 and loads of games for it. I got the N64 at launch, I've owned a GameCube (don't own a wii though). The difference is that there is a distinct anti-Sony vibe on the forums and I often find myself supporting/posting about good, no, great games that seem to get overlooked (Dragon Quest and Okami for example) primarily because they are on Sony's console. I tend to talk about the games rather than every little bit of info that comes from Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo (exception being E3-type events, but even then its mostly about the games). Do I think Sony has made some shocking decisions and do I think they have treated the UK and Europe like crap - Yes. But the last thing I want is for Sony to pull out of the console business and for Microsoft to become totally dominant in the industry and for every game to be released by EA. Competition is good for consumers although I would agree there need to be more console exclusives for the 360 and PS3.

KRW

16-03-2007, 09:43

It looks to me like Sony's business strategy doesnt even see the 360 as competition. Its so confident with its eventual dominance that it sees the PS3 as the next upgrade to the PS2 (and 360) and no more than that. That said, it can afford to charge a premium for the PS3 knowing full well that the first 12 months will be sluggish, and will pick up for the inevitable price drop when it stops giving so much support to the PS2 which is still bubbling along nicely and is the real competitor to the 360. Those figures suggest a bleak 360 future to me unless MS does something dramatic.

unrealnils

16-03-2007, 09:51

ShakeyJake

16-03-2007, 09:52

One argument for the PS3's massive price could be that they don't actually want to sell that many till they stop losing so much cash on every sale. They have plenty of money still coming in from the PS2. They just release the thing to look like they're not lagging behind MS, but keep the PS2 as No. 1 concern. The PS2 is still getting the cream of the games released for it (unless you're a FPS fan).

anephric

16-03-2007, 09:56

Traditionally, the greatest sales cycle Sony has seen (with both PS1 and PS2) is when the RRP dropped to sub-£100 and it became a casual purchase. That's when it's sold its greatest numbers, essentially more than previous sales cycles added together.

MetalGearAl

16-03-2007, 10:00

i bought the gamecube only after it was going for like £40 :lol:
Same here, I picked up the Gamecube in a great bargain from the Bargain Forum. IIRC it was £49.99 for a Gamecube, Bongos, Donkey Konga + Metroid Prime 2 from Amazon :thumbs:

fivebyfive

16-03-2007, 10:03

Do I think Sony has made some shocking decisions and do I think they have treated the UK and Europe like crap - Yes. But the last thing I want is for Sony to pull out of the console business and for Microsoft to become totally dominant in the industry and for every game to be released by EA. Competition is good for consumers althugh I would agree there need to be more console exclusives for the 360 and PS3.

no one has said or wants for Sony to pull out of the console business and for Microsoft to become totally dominant in the industry. But I noticed how people (not just on here) want Sony to become totally dominant in the industry

Adge

16-03-2007, 10:14

Getting back to reality for a second, I finally had a look at the full presentation of LittleBigPlanet & for the first time i've been truly blown away by a piece of PS3 software & witnessed something that looks semi-original & displays graphical & physics content beyond anything the 360 has to offer.

Obviously it's still not nearly enough to make me rush out & buy one, but for me it's the first proper indication that the PS3 may have more to offer above & beyond what i've currently got with the 360.

on first viewing I thought exactly the same thing, it did tick all the boxesin terms of graphics, physics and gameplay. But having watched it a couple of times it actually looks quite frustrating to play and if it is going to rely on user generated content the concept of decent level design may well be glossed over.

Also in co-op it looks brilliant but will that translate to the single player experience?

Obviously too early to tell at the moment but I'm not sure it's quite as great as I thought it was on my first view.

MaleStrom

16-03-2007, 10:16

It's notable that, despite huge sales of PS2, the software doesn't seem to substantiate those sales (which is weird). I've been trying to think of a reason why, but can only come to one of 3 conclusions
1. People are using pirated games on them,
2. People are buying 2nd-hand games, or
3. People are buying them as replacement for exhisting PS2's

Can anyone else clarify as to what the people buying PS2's are playing on them? Am I missing something? Weird that with all those PS2 in the US that only a single PS2 game sold the 100k necessary to enter the top10?

dannywonderful

16-03-2007, 10:20

JohnMac

16-03-2007, 10:25

no one has said or wants for Sony to pull out of the console business and for Microsoft to become totally dominant in the industry. But I noticed how people (not just on here) want Sony to become totally dominant in the industry

I've not read posts on these forums where people have said they want Microsoft or Sony to become dominant in the industry. Quite a few about teaching Sony a lesson etc. The point was mostly inspired by the discussed article(s) in a previous Playstation 3 thread about the spiralling costs for Sony.

TigaSefi

16-03-2007, 10:29

i don't want sony to pull out but god i want it's ass handed to it on a plate!! :nuts: !!

fivebyfive

16-03-2007, 10:41

I've not read posts on these forums where people have said they want Microsoft or Sony to become dominant in the industry. Quite a few about teaching Sony a lesson etc. The point was mostly inspired by the discussed article(s) in a previous Playstation 3 thread about the spiralling costs for Sony.

sorry I mis-read your post slightly, but I remember some talk of just 1 format and that being the playstation.

nsb

16-03-2007, 11:22

i don't want sony to pull out but god i want it's ass handed to it on a plate!! :nuts: !!

Thats not gonna happen with the PS2 selling so well while the PS3 slowly gets into shape.

yaffle

16-03-2007, 11:59

I'd imagine its to play stuff like Guitar Hero (which is selling pretty well) and people getting them for one off purchases as its pretty cheap now and so are second hand PS2 games. The same people who will be buying the PS3 when its £99 or whatever.

Yep, I just picked up a PS2 myself when ASDA sold them off for £50. Bought it for Guitar Hero, Singstar and the Eyetoy stuff.

Mr M0by

16-03-2007, 13:06

Dagada

16-03-2007, 13:08

I recently cancelled my PS3 pre-order when it was revealed that the UK versions wouldn't be have the same PS2 compatability as previously thought. I picked up a PS2 and ten games for about £150. I was holding off so I could kill two birds with one stone, but Sony seem to have buggered that one up.

So, in answer to what are people still playing on the PS2, there are some superb role-playing-games that you don't get elsewhere. Things like Okami and Katamari, too. Now, I'm used to the X360, and I've been pleasantly surprised by how good some of the PS2 games I've picked up actually look. Sure there's lower texture resolution, etc, and longer loading times, but it's not been enough so far to dent my enjoyment. And I'd forgotten just how silent the thing is! I didn't think it was working for a while it was so quiet.

So, IMHO, Sony have shot themselves in the foot a bit with removing the backwards compatability. The retro market is not something to be overlooked.

lentini

16-03-2007, 13:12

PS3 Folding@Home (http://kotaku.com/gaming/folding%40home/ps3-distributive-computing-network-hits-in-march-244478.php)

I've bought my mum one of those Breast Cancer Awareness Mothers Day cards so now i'll see if maybe she'll pay for my ps3 for my birthday in return.:D

TBH, it's good of Sony to support this but I think it's pointless for a console. My console goes on, I play a game then turn it off. I don't leave it sitting idle for hours.

lentini

16-03-2007, 13:13

So, IMHO, Sony have shot themselves in the foot a bit with removing the backwards compatability. The retro market is not something to be overlooked.

They haven't removed the BC :thinking: :shrug:

Mr M0by

16-03-2007, 13:15

It's a ploy to get you to use your one spare plug socket for the ps3 permanently. When you go to unplug it in favour of the wii or 360 it'll pop up a "But think of the cancer sufferers" message.

Mr M0by

16-03-2007, 13:17

They haven't removed the BC :thinking: :shrug:

....fivebyfive should be along any moment now.

I assume he's referring to the fact that instead of supporting 99% of PAL titles at launch, it will now only play 35-50% (allegedly) and that's if you receive the updates.

TigaSefi

16-03-2007, 13:17

Thats not gonna happen with the PS2 selling so well while the PS3 slowly gets into shape.

:lol: You doing what sony are doing. Combining the sales together to make it look good! PS2 is last gen and PS3 is next gen (apparently) and PS3 is doing absolutely ***** compared to 360. That's all that matters. PS2 is doing well because ppl aren't buying Sony's ******** anymore.

Dagada

16-03-2007, 13:19

They haven't removed the BC :thinking: :shrug:

To all intents and purposes, they have. The software emulation is, currently, utter rubbish (and those are words that come straight from the gob of my friend who works for SEUK on the PS3). Hardware emulation would have been fine....

fivebyfive

16-03-2007, 13:23

....fivebyfive should be along any moment now.

what is that suppose to mean?

chrisjm

16-03-2007, 13:34

TBH, it's good of Sony to support this but I think it's pointless for a console. My console goes on, I play a game then turn it off. I don't leave it sitting idle for hours.

probably only doing it to get some positive PR for a change.

the whole point of this used to be to use space cpu cycles not leave your ps3 on specially and release even more carbon.

nsb

16-03-2007, 14:44

PS3 is doing absolutely ***** compared to 360.

Yet between the two consoles in the first 4 months, the PS3 sold more than the 360, which isn’t all that bad considering the price and whats available for it. :thinking:

Harsin

16-03-2007, 14:49

Yet between the two consoles in the first 4 months, the PS3 sold more than the 360, which isn’t all that bad considering the price and whats available for it. :thinking:

Worth noting that during that period the Xbox 360 had major supply constraint issues, whereas the PS3, well...

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/6/browntownkw1.jpg

TigaSefi

16-03-2007, 14:53

Worth noting that during that period the Xbox 360 had major supply constraint issues, whereas the PS3, well...

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/6/browntownkw1.jpg

:lol: Yep Couldn't get an Xbox360 for love or money when it first came out and same with Wii even now, yet everyone tripping over the PS3. You do the working out!

KRW

16-03-2007, 15:08

:lol: Yep Couldn't get an Xbox360 for love or money when it first came out and same with Wii even now, yet everyone tripping over the PS3. You do the working out!

By my workings out, I have come to the conclusion that it is too expensive and the 360 wasn't. That's all. If the PS3 launched at £299 a hell of a lot more people would be jumping on board and it would be xmas before you'd see one on a shelf.

Mr Majestik

16-03-2007, 15:09

A new comedy please preorder a PS3 Game sign...

http://www.ukresistance.co.uk/

TigaSefi

16-03-2007, 15:15

By my workings out, I have come to the conclusion that it is too expensive and the 360 wasn't. That's all. If the PS3 launched at £299 a hell of a lot more people would be jumping on board and it would be xmas before you'd see one on a shelf.

True, then ppl will only be talking about being shafted in the ass by Sony once and not twice!!

nsb

16-03-2007, 15:19

Going by the figures for the month where the shortage stopped, even if they did have enough in the first 4 months, it still wouldn’t of been that far ahead of the PS3’s total so far. And for its price tag, its not doing all that badly, that’s all I was saying. Dare I say it that the PS3 had its own shortage aswell? I’m sure you’ve all got the Best Buy pictures ready ;)

roadkill_88

16-03-2007, 15:34

Some positive news;

http://ownage.nl/news/19411/

Translated: Basically 44,000 of 50,000 Dutch PS3's have been snatched up as pre-orders.

Also, isn't MS about to shaft their own customers "in the ass" soon by releasing a new Xbox 360? :suspect:

TigaSefi

16-03-2007, 15:36

nah, I think my xbox360 is about to break so if/when it does, I'll get a new one.

fivebyfive

16-03-2007, 15:45

does that means sony shafted ps2 owners when they brought a number of revisions?

happens to every console now

TigaSefi

16-03-2007, 15:46

I been lucky, every machine I have had broke been replaced for free and this one if it breaks can be replaced for free too under warranty. More than I can say for Sony Customer services.

My GC's never broke. I went through 3 of them cos i wanted the new colours. So sold the previous ones to put money toward it but they all been rock solid. Nintendo DS and wii are also solid too. So not all consoles break easily.

KRW

16-03-2007, 15:58

True, then ppl will only be talking about being shafted in the ass by Sony once and not twice!!

If you pay £425 then its consensual, so not a problem. Everyone knows new consoles come down in price.

TigaSefi

16-03-2007, 16:11

If you pay £425 then its consensual, so not a problem. Everyone knows new consoles come down in price.

Except they shafted you twice on the fact you're already paying alot more than japan and USA and Americans are reportadly being given $100 discount and giving you an inferior machine!! So basically giving consent to being shafted ;)

KRW

16-03-2007, 16:22

Except they shafted you twice on the fact you're already paying alot more than japan and USA and Americans are reportadly being given $100 discount and giving you an inferior machine!! So basically giving consent to being shafted ;)

I'm not saying Sony are perfect, but the PS3 is far from the dead dog some people would like it to be. The xbox premium is $399 in the States now? about £200 or so? (could be wrong)

chrisjm

16-03-2007, 16:25

only twice? :lol: i count 6

john316

16-03-2007, 16:35

I'm not saying Sony are perfect, but the PS3 is far from the dead dog some people would like it to be. The xbox premium is $399 in the States now? about £200 or so? (could be wrong)

That is more a natural discount that retailers can now offer due to the lesser costs of producing the 360 now. Considering Sony are losing so much on each console, for retailers to slash the price already is a very bad sign.

KRW

16-03-2007, 16:59

That is more a natural discount that retailers can now offer due to the lesser costs of producing the 360 now. Considering Sony are losing so much on each console, for retailers to slash the price already is a very bad sign.

It doesn't cost the retailers a penny to manufacture the 360.

ShakeyJake

16-03-2007, 18:46

http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/10000

Ratchet and Clank Future trailer! :clap:

john316

16-03-2007, 19:17

It doesn't cost the retailers a penny to manufacture the 360.

No, but it allows them to make more money on offering discounted prices and bundles. If your profit margin is minimal on a console, you ain't exactly going to be keen to slash the price. The 360 price to a shop must have come down a bit since its launch but the shop price hasn't. Lots of profit for the shops :D

TigaSefi

16-03-2007, 19:31

No, but it allows them to make more money on offering discounted prices and bundles. If your profit margin is minimal on a console, you ain't exactly going to be keen to slash the price. The 360 price to a shop must have come down a bit since its launch but the shop price hasn't. Lots of profit for the shops :D

Thought that was a pretty rudimentary thing for anyone to grasp. Simple fact Xbox360 is now turning a profit for MS thus the price can be reduced even further. However Sony is NOT really all that keen on discounts. Hell the PS2 kept it price at the £180 level for years afterward and only now it under £100.

nsb

16-03-2007, 19:32

http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/10000

Ratchet and Clank Future trailer! :clap:

Looks great :D

KRW

16-03-2007, 21:19

No, but it allows them to make more money on offering discounted prices and bundles. If your profit margin is minimal on a console, you ain't exactly going to be keen to slash the price. The 360 price to a shop must have come down a bit since its launch but the shop price hasn't. Lots of profit for the shops :D

I think we're on crossed wires here. I'm not bovvered about discounts. $399 was the launch price, I thought, about a ton cheaper than the UK.

ShakeyJake

16-03-2007, 22:18

http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/10039

That's a bit of a preview of Ratchet and Clank. Says all of the trailer is rendered in real time, and sounds amazing. These are the games that sell consoles to me, not crap like Tom Clancy's Advanced Gypsy Shoot-out, Halo 7 or Hitler Hunter 2k7.

neilalford

16-03-2007, 22:24

The little big thing does look absolutely amazing. ^

Just got round to watching this as it sounded like it was something special. Uhm, can I ask, why the excitement? Dull platformer with a 10 year old physics engine?

And how am I meant to control all four characters at once?

RobDickinson

16-03-2007, 22:52

There has to be 50million PS2's in the US - a lot of them old ones, people with many games & controllers etc.

If 0.5% break a month (ok high but..) thats 250,000 possible replacements...

Spooky_uk

16-03-2007, 23:11

let the kiddies fight it out in the playground, my console is bigger than yours :nuts:

ozric99

16-03-2007, 23:31

And how am I meant to control all four characters at once?
The same way you control all the characters in a game of Counter-Strike, one supposes.

Mr M0by

17-03-2007, 00:40

The 360 price to a shop must have come down a bit since its launch.

It hasn't. When it does so will the RRP. More often than not the cost of adding games into the bundles is funded either by the manufacturer or games distributor/publisher through bulk-purchase deals and retro-discounts.

Mr M0by

17-03-2007, 00:42

There has to be 50million PS2's in the US - a lot of them old ones, people with many games & controllers etc.

If 0.5% break a month (ok high but..) thats 250,000 possible replacements...

That's assuming all 50million are still in use anyway.

edit: also i would expect that returns inside a warranty period do not actually count towards the sales.

Dack

17-03-2007, 10:29

Now seems a few of the launch titles have been delayed.

http://www.playfrance.com/news-planning-playstation-3-des-retards-a-la-derniere-minute.html

Google translation (but cleaned up a bit)
Announced for the release of the PlayStation 3 in Europe, some games will be delayed before their store appearances. Splinter Cell: Double Agent, is now planned for March 29, F.E.A.R pushed back to April 13, Untold Legend: Dark Kingdom is expected the 15th of the same month and finally Rainbow Six: Vegas release date April 26. The other games should not be delayed

Johnr

17-03-2007, 10:39

Woolies have got my order down as Ready For Despatch and the buggers have charged my card a week and a bit before the day I should in theory be able to collect from store but also sent a text saying there was a problem with my order!

Mr M0by

17-03-2007, 11:41

Now seems a few of the launch titles have been delayed.

http://www.playfrance.com/news-planning-playstation-3-des-retards-a-la-derniere-minute.html

Google translation (but cleaned up a bit)

To some extent some of those titles might do better, thinking in particular F.E.A.R & Rainbow 6, now that they are released later than the rest of the launch line-up. It's quite a crowded release for day one. On the other hand i don't think it will do Splinter Cell any good coming out just a week after the others. If Excite Truck had of been released in the PAL Wii launch lineup i'd definetly bought it, as it was NOE decided to make us wait and by the time it got released i was in saving-for-ps3-mode and a bit 'meh' towards it anyway.

MaleStrom

17-03-2007, 11:41

I think we're on crossed wires here. I'm not bovvered about discounts. $399 was the launch price, I thought, about a ton cheaper than the UK.
Actually, on release the xb360 worked out about the same price in US and UK. The disparity now is totally a result of the amazing exchange rate now between $ and £. It appears that rather than reduce the poricew over here, m$ have instead bundled in a few games to make up.

KRW

17-03-2007, 18:14

Actually, on release the xb360 worked out about the same price in US and UK. The disparity now is totally a result of the amazing exchange rate now between $ and £. It appears that rather than reduce the poricew over here, m$ have instead bundled in a few games to make up.

Yeah, that's true, I suppose.

As an aside, I looked at the PS magazines official launch guide today, and although I'm not going to get one at launch, it does look like a *fabulous* thing.

cjanderson

17-03-2007, 18:41

the games look good in Games Tm mag, though none appeal to me.

best cancel my order Monday else i'll be stuck with a VERY expensive toy come Friday :D

Mr Majestik

17-03-2007, 22:19

U.S sales are going well..

US SALES FIGURES FOR FEBRUARY 2007

# DS: 485,000
# Wii: 335,000
# PS2: 295,000
# 360: 228,000
# PSP: 176,000
# GBA!: 136,000
# PS3: 127,000

Now if all you folks with pre orders could cancel we should be able to pick up a new PS3 for £200 by the summer.

KRW

17-03-2007, 22:25

Here we go again.....

Mr M0by

17-03-2007, 22:44

That's the 3rd time that's been posted now. Not like you to be so slow of the mark Arch, particularly as far as Sony are concerned.;)

ozric99

17-03-2007, 22:51

Those neogaf comparisons are getting more and more relevant.

ShakeyJake

18-03-2007, 09:09

This TV show on BBC2 now with him off the football programme said they'll be looking at the PS3's Blu-Ray playback capabilities later on if anyone is interested.

lettuce

18-03-2007, 09:56

Is the PS3 version of Oblivion going to be any different from the 360 version, ie, more content, better GFX etc???

Wendelius

18-03-2007, 11:38

Is the PS3 version of Oblivion going to be any different from the 360 version, ie, more content, better GFX etc???

No.

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=73385

Instead, let's enlist an expert to talk about the technical details of creating a PlayStation 3 title. What about the fact that the PlayStation 3 has got bigger discs than the Xbox 360, for example? "Well capacity would matter if we were having trouble with capacity but since it all fits on [one DVD] disc there was nothing we were doing that suddenly we needed gigs more space," says Pete Hines, Bethesda's vice president of PR and marketing. "For any drive, not just the Blu-Ray, the speed of that drive is the bottleneck for how much data you can stream off it at any given moment. So what we actually do is use a lot of space on the hard drive. We can cache stuff off the disk and have it there ready to use in the game, so that when you're on horseback, riding from one end of the world to the other, we've got the assets necessary so that you're not stopping and pausing and it loads nice and seamlessly as it should. So I'd never dishonour the guys who are making it by saying it was easy: working on any console is hard work. I know they've put in a lot of hours and a lot of hard work to make it happen. But the plus is that it definitely looks and plays really good. And you know it's our first really big triple-A game for any Sony platform. It's the first really huge game that we've ever done, so we felt like if we were going to do it with this one we've really got to do it right, it's really got to be excellent, and I think we've gotten there."

Indeed, to judge by the few hours that Ubisoft allowed Eurogamer to mess around with it, they certainly have. Oblivion on the PlayStation 3 is basically identical to Oblivion on the Xbox 360. "For the most part our goal was to take this game that we had done really well with on 360 and simply bring it to a new audience, to bring it to PlayStation 3," continues Hines. "So in terms of features and content and all that, it has everything in it the same as it was in the 360 version - we didn't take anything out, we didn't change any of that stuff. We did add Knights of the Nine, which is content that we had actually initially developed specifically for the PS3 but ended up already releasing for the 360 and PC as a download you can buy, but it comes with the standard version on the PS3. And then beyond that it was really just a lot of customising and tweaking for the PS3 - it's a different box and it functions differently, and so we just did a lot of things to work with the way that console works so that the game loads and runs as fast as possible."

Wendelius

JohnMac

18-03-2007, 14:09

That's funny, according to Gamespot's impressions and interevew the framerate and loading times are slightly better because it uses the hard drive more; there are new shaders which helps the level of detail transition in the middle distance look more natural, all the patches and Knights of the Nine are included on the PS3 version. My 360 game DVD has lots of cracks on the surface so I've been thinking of getting the PS3 version + I don't have online to get Knights of the Nine.

TonyG

18-03-2007, 14:39

The new shaders & extra levels of detail are included in the new patch for the 360 version which comes with the Shivering Isles expansion pack, to bring it up to the same graphical level of the PS3 version.

JohnMac

18-03-2007, 15:07

Thanks for clearing that up. To be honest there was so much gameplay in Oblivion I didn't actually complete the main story and found the guilds (especially Thieves Guild + Dark Brotherhood to be the best parts). But my game had problems accessing certain key sound files to continue the story so that in part explains not completing the story...yet. Knights of the Nine looks like a good addition, is it like an extra guild?

lettuce

18-03-2007, 16:08

Probably pick this up for the PS3 then, i dont fancy spending hours on end hunched up over the PC, when i can relax and play the PS3 version on the sofa!

sirp

18-03-2007, 18:50

well..the news of the world article on the PS3 sold it to me, lol

anyone read it, its out on the 23rd May by the way :D i think the article was written by S151511151515151515155111115 or whoever :D

rbullivant

18-03-2007, 18:52

Will the PS3 Oblivion come with the expansion pack?

R

fivebyfive

18-03-2007, 18:57

well..the news of the world article on the PS3 sold it to me, lol

anyone read it, its out on the 23rd May by the way :D i think the article was written by S151511151515151515155111115 or whoever :D

nah, he would of been late for shift at mcdonalds :D

sirp

18-03-2007, 19:03

the article was pure class though, id type it up, but can't be bothered.

JohnMac

18-03-2007, 19:09

Will the PS3 Oblivion come with the expansion pack?

R

If you are talking about the shivering isles then the answer is no, not yet. The PS3 version has Knights of the Nine already built into the main game and is the latest patched version. I don't think there's any of the additional content you could buy for the 360 or that came with Knights of the Nine for the PC (i.e. Wizard’s Tower, Vile Lair, Thieves Den, Mehrunes’ Razor, Orrery, Spell Tomes), might have the Armoured horse though.

Dack

18-03-2007, 20:12

News of the world link:

http://www.notw.typepad.com/gadgits/

Worth a read for the "and he's their expert??????????????" factor

e.g. "It's the most powerful console EVER made and boasts the biggest launch line up of games in console history, with 30 titles available on day one."

:)

nutter45

18-03-2007, 20:25

Journalism of the very highest quality :lol:

JohnMac

18-03-2007, 20:36

It does have a good launch line up, it just isn't as good if you only consider the exclusives. If you've never played Oblivion for example then you should buy it at launch. Game series like Tiger Woods, Tony Hawk and Virtua Tennis are also represented. As far as exclusives are concerned there's only MotorStorm, Resistance: Fall of Man and virtua fighter 5* (*=also coming to the 360) and those are the three I have on pre-order at the moment. Compared to the PS2 launch titles its in a different league. Not enough exclusives though.

RobDickinson

18-03-2007, 20:37

You can buy a 360 core and what 7 or 8 games instead..?:D

JohnMac

18-03-2007, 20:46

What and miss out on the Giant Enemy Crab event/level in MotorStorm. ;)

ShakeyJake

18-03-2007, 20:57

LooneyJetman

18-03-2007, 21:39

Hello my name is LooneyJetman and I have a confession to make. I preordered a PS3 at Game yesterday. Now I feel used and dirty. :(

I only really want it for Motorstorm and Resistance, as I think the 360 will still be my platform of choice. Looking through the magazine I bought today though, I like the look of the games that can be bought through the online shop. I probably spend about half my time on the 360 playing Live Arcade games, so the online stuff looks quite appealing.

Drexl

18-03-2007, 21:58

Play.com (http://www.thedvdforums.com/jump2.php?url=http://playcom.at/thedvdforums?DURL=http://www.play.com/Games/PlayStation3/4-/1032615/-/Product.html?searchstring=Playstation+3&searchsource=0) reckon they have the PS3 in stock. Anyone ordered and had theirs shipped yet?

I spotted that as well. The bundle they are doing is quite good value methinks. I got my PSP from Play under similar circumstances though and figured I might get it a day or two early, only for it to take three days to ship - the order stayed at 'processing' for all that time. Once it reaches that stage you can't cancel it. As said, it's a good price for the bundle but I would be wary of taking a punt on it if your motivation is try and get one a day or two early.