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d2000s

08-03-2007, 19:28

Take it you mean: UFC 68--- March 3, 2007

Title Match & Main Event Fighters

-Randy Couture: $250,000 (17th fight in UFC; defeated Tim Sylvia)

-Tim Sylvia: $100,000 (11th fight in UFC; lost to Randy Couture)

Main Card Fighters

-Matt Hughes: $150,000 (18th fight in UFC; defeated Chris Lytle)

-Rich Franklin: $42,000 (9th fight in UFC; defeated Jason MacDonald)

-Renato "Babalu" Sobral: $21,000 (9th fight in UFC; lost to Jason Lambert)

-Jason Lambert: $18,000 (5th fight in UFC; defeated Renato "Babalu" Sobral)

-Jason MacDonald: $14,000 (3rd fight in UFC; lost to Rich Franklin)

-Chris Lytle: $10,000 (8th fight in UFC; lost to Matt Hughes)

rest of fighters:

-Martin Kampmann: $20,000 (3rd fight in UFC; defeated Drew McFedries)

-Drew McFedries: $5,000 (2nd fight in UFC; lost to Martin Kampmann)

Preliminary Match Fighters

-Jon Fitch: $28,000 (5th fight in UFC; defeated Luigi Fioravanti)

-Matt Hamill: $10,000 (3rd fight in UFC; defeated Rex Holman)

-Luigi Fioravanti: $8,000 (4th fight in UFC; lost to Jon Fitch)

-Jamie Varner: $6,000 (2nd fight in UFC; defeated Jason Gilliam)

-Gleison Tibau: $6,000 (2nd fight in UFC; defeated Jason Dent)

-Rex Holman: $3,000 (1st fight in UFC; lost to Matt Hamill)

-Jason Gilliam: $3,000 (1st fight in UFC; lost to Jamie Varner)

-Jason Dent: $3,000 (2nd fight in UFC; lost to Gleison Tibau)

Disclosed Fighter Payroll: $697,000

fadeaway53

08-03-2007, 21:37

Cheers mate.

Out of interest, if Sylvia had beaten Couture, would Randy have still earned more money than him?

fadeaway53

12-03-2007, 20:41

14-03-2007, 16:32

Former UFC fighter Gilbert Aldana died yesterday (drowned).

Have to admit that the name didn't mean anything to me however I looked on Sherdog and his two fights in the UFC were both losing efforts (against Paul Buentello & Chieck Kongo).

Yeah...i saw him at UFC57 getting slaughtered by Buentello, he took a real hammering, bust nose and messed up face. $2000 in it for him though...yeehaa, cheers Dana.

Poor guy...RIP

fadeaway53

15-03-2007, 07:19

Forrest Griffin is out of his match with Lyoto Machida at UFC70 with a staph infection.

Likely replacements are Keith Jardine or Jason Lambert.

damell

15-03-2007, 10:37

FFS! Was looking forward to that one. Hope it's Jardine!

Edit: Bit dodgy that isn't it. How long does it take for staph to clear? :suspect:

fadeaway53

15-03-2007, 19:56

The UFC website is announcing that Forrest has been replaced by lightweight David Heath :|

damell

15-03-2007, 20:18

Hmm, couple of UFC fights, unbeaten. Never heard of his opponents though.

SOUNDSTYLE

16-03-2007, 19:38

Looking forward to watching Bisping in action for UFC 70.

Haven't seen Andrei Arlovsk fight in ages. Should be interesting.

bobmartino

16-03-2007, 22:03

Next month is crazy for MMA, of the top of my head we have :

An Ultimate fight night
UFC 69
UFC 70
The start of TUF 5
Pride 34
Bodog - Fedor vs Lindland

So many fights im looking forward too, Arlovski is definetly one of them.

I'm actually looking forward to 69 unlike many, Kos vs Diego fight is interesting, I dont particularly like either of them but I want to see this fight. I'm sure I read somewhere Dana said the winner would get a title shot. I wish the UFC had stopped protecting Diego and let him fight Hughes. Would have been a great fight and given us a real idea where he is.

d2000s

17-03-2007, 08:17

I wish the UFC had stopped protecting Diego and let him fight Hughes. Would have been a great fight and given us a real idea where he is.

He fought Diaz, Karo and Riggs, I dont think that is protecting him at all. You cant just fight the champ (now former) straight away.

d3m0n

19-03-2007, 11:21

Does anyone know what bookies will accept bets on UFC fights?

joconnor

19-03-2007, 11:28

I always use Bet Fair (http://www.thedvdforums.com/jump2.php?url=http://www.tkqlhce.com/click-533984-10296665) when I'm betting on UFC.

You get some decent odds on there e.g. Randy was 3.25 when I bet on him to win vs Sylvia

edit: it's under Combat Sports on the left hand side.

fadeaway53

19-03-2007, 17:11

Bet365 also take bets on UFC fights although usually not until around a week before the event.

20-03-2007, 11:21

d2000s

20-03-2007, 16:36

I see rumours abound on mmaweekly that pride have finally succumbed to the UFCs advances. As said previously i'll believe it when i see Fedor in an octagon....although i hope this happens sooner than later. Theres been too many sports where hindsight has to be used to see who really is the best.

If they buy it, they are still going to keep it as a separate organisation so dont expect to necessarily see Fedor come over to the UFC.
I have mixed feelings about the whole thing, a lack of competition for the UFC could be a bad thing.

dmb6473a

21-03-2007, 22:50

Mauricio Shogun Rua has apparently signed a contract that consists of two fights in Pride and two fights in UFC.

If true, I think the speculation pretty much ends there.

27-03-2007, 22:43

Well its a deal now. Speculation ended. Its both a good thing and a bad thing....agree that a lack of 'competition' could be a negative but the pro's far outweigh the cons.

fadeaway53

30-03-2007, 11:48

So, any chance of Fedor showing up to challenge the winner of Couture/Cro Cop at a future UFC?

d2000s

30-03-2007, 13:16

So, any chance of Fedor showing up to challenge the winner of Couture/Cro Cop at a future UFC?

Well possibly down the line, but they are being kept as separate organisations with talk of annual super-events, but we will have to wait and see if they would actually do champ vs champ in those.

mitch316

04-04-2007, 16:56

wow

http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/8967/pridexm7.jpg

after getting knocked out in his last 2 fights silva is taking on ice cold. got massive respect for silva taking this fight igor has seriously heavy hands and it could be a third straight knockout loss for wand.

fadeaway53

04-04-2007, 19:18

Probably behind the times but have just heard that Setanta are going to be showing UFC 70 on PPV while Sky Sports are showing Cage Rage live on the same day :eek:

Now thats what Sky+ was made for!

Anyone know who Bob Sapp is facing at Cage Rage btw?

searla

05-04-2007, 07:57

Wonder if Bravo are still showing UFC 70 24 hours later, like they do with the American shows??

I'll be there, but would love to be able to watch it back (but not at the £20+ prices that are being banded around for the PPV)

damell

05-04-2007, 09:00

Don't forget lads. Fight Night tonight followed by the first episode of TUF 5. :clap: Not sure when they'll be on Bravo. Probably Fri or Sat.

goonieman

05-04-2007, 09:45

Don't forget lads. Fight Night tonight followed by the first episode of TUF 5. :clap: Not sure when they'll be on Bravo. Probably Fri or Sat.

Tuesdays @ 11pm, exclusively on Bravo!

http://www.bravo.co.uk/ufc/tuf5/index.html
:thumbs:

d2000s

07-04-2007, 11:07

All Fight Night results, no idea when this will be shown on Bravo, normally a big delay on them:

-Thiago Tavares def. Naoyuki Kotani via Unanimous Decision (30-27, 30-27, 30-27) after 3 Rounds.
-Roan Carneiro def. Rich Clementi via Unanimous Decision (30-27, 30-27, 30-27) after 3 Rounds.
-Kuniyoshi Hironaka def. Forrest Petz via Unanimous Decision (30-27, 30-27, 29-28) after 3 Rounds.
-Kurt Pellegrino def. Nate Mohr via Submission (ankle lock) at 2:58 of Round 1.
-Drew Fickett def. Keita Nakamura via Unanimous Decision (30-26, 29-27, 29-27) after 3 Rounds.
-Wilson Gouveia def. Seth Petruzelli via Submission (guillotine choke) at 0:39 of Round 2.
-Kenny Florian def. Dokonjonosuke Mishima via Submission (rear naked choke) at 3:57 of Round 3.
-Justin McCully def. Antoni Hardonk via Unanimous Decision (30-27, 30-27, 30-27) after 3 Rounds.
-Joe Stevenson def. Melvin Guillard via Submission (guillotine choke) at 0:27 of Round 1.

Lot of abuse being directed at Guillard around the place and I am not going to add to them. Disappointed the fight didnt go longer, but impressive win for Stevenson.

joconnor

07-04-2007, 12:47

Pride 34 has got to be the worst card ever:

1. Edson Drago vs. Yoshihiro Nakao
2. Butterbean vs. Zulu
3. Makoto Takimoto vs. Zelg Galesic
4. Akira Shoji vs. Gilbert Yvel
5. James Thompson vs. Don Frye
6. Shinya Aoki vs. Brian Lo-A-Njoe
7. Ricardo Arona vs. Sokoudjou
8. Kazuyuki Fujita vs. Jeff Monson

DSE going out on a high I see...

fadeaway53

07-04-2007, 13:00

That looks more like a Cage Rage card.

d2000s

07-04-2007, 15:01

Quite excited, UFC 72 strongly rumoured to be taking place in Belfast!!! Rumoured card isnt that good at the moment, but it's still early days.

UFC 72 JUNE 16, 2007

-Rich Franklin (#4 Middleweight in the World)* vs. Martin Kampmann
-Forrest Griffin vs. Hector Ramirez
-Tyson Griffin vs. Clay Guida
-Jorge Gurgel vs. TBA

source- mmawekly.com

fadeaway53

08-04-2007, 11:50

Couldn't wait until Monday night, had to read the spoilers from UFC 69. HOLY ******* ****. Biggest. Upset. Ever.

jediross

08-04-2007, 20:02

Couldn't wait until Monday night, had to read the spoilers from UFC 69. HOLY ******* ****. Biggest. Upset. Ever.

Totally agree..... Short but very sweet, a definate OMFG moment, never thought, though I had hoped, that it would go that way. Spoiler tags just in case

derek_m

09-04-2007, 11:22

Why oh why did they choose Belfast over Dublin :brickwall Guess it is only rumoured for now, but with Gurgel and Bisping both mentioning it as being the Odyssey Arena in Belfast on June 16th that seems like confirmation enough to me.

DSE going out on a high I see...Yup, sadly the card was very weak indeed. The show in general was weak with Trigg and (who the hell was he) on commentary duty.

However parts of it were very well done. The intro highlights package was as always beautiful (if you can forgive the terrible choice of music). They managed to give it the sendoff it deserved at the end.

Considering the card the event itself really didnt disappoint, but the first 10mins are required viewing :)

d2000s

09-04-2007, 12:57

derek_m

09-04-2007, 13:26

:nono:

Never been to Belfast though, just passed through. Guess that'd be the excuse for a visit.

09-04-2007, 21:47

Belfast>Dublin :p

Dont forget everyone, UFC on tonight at 9pm on Bravo.

Totally typical!....ive booked a holiday that very week to Italy. UFC comes to my home town and im gonna be away :cry: obviously ive considered cancelling the hol...but the missus would go totally nuts....and so far it doesnt look to be a stacked card. Although that will probably change.

Pride 34 OMG Butterbean gets a submission..lol scrappy fight but funny nonetheless. Cracking win for Sokoudjou...another brutal KO of a top5 fighter. Someone to keep a close eye on in the future. Unlucky result for Galesic, he looked very strong but makimoto has got some crafty submissions and caught him in a straight arm-bar. I only hope Don Frye is ok this morning, the ref stopped the fight a good 30 seconds late, unbelievable....Frye took a solid pounding, i think Thompson got tired punching the head off him. Pretty average card to end off the DSE ownership but roll on the Lightweight tournament. Will be interesting to see who from the UFC puts their name in the hat.

Havent caught too much of the UFC yet....sitting down now to see it.

fadeaway53

10-04-2007, 07:20

I only hope Don Frye is ok this morning, the ref stopped the fight a good 30 seconds late, unbelievable....Frye took a solid pounding, i think Thompson got tired punching the head off him.

Just watched this fight on YouTube. That's insane, Frye wasn't even trying to defend himself for the last minute. Crap like that is why MMA gets an unfair reputation of being overly brutal.

d2000s

10-04-2007, 09:56

UFC 69 was pretty good overall, ending with the biggest shock in UFC history, some people were tipping Randy to beat Tim, but noone was tipping Serra. Fight of the night was certainly Huerta vs Garcia, definately think that 155lb division is taking shape, lots of potentially good fights.
Worst fight was Sanchez vs Koscheck, looks to me like Diego actually got into his own head in this fight and was too afraid to get KOed, he couldnt cope with the counterpunch strategy and should have tried to get it on the ground, even if he was on the bottom initially.

Pride 34 was okay, pretty much what I expected from a poor card, Sokoudjou has turned their 205lb division on its head in just 2 fights. Want to see more of him to determine whether he is the real deal though.

PS. No big deal, but could we label what spoilers are about in future? There were 3 events on these last 5 days and I hadnt seen them all until this morning so couldnt read a couple of the posts above just in case.:)

fadeaway53

10-04-2007, 17:49

Worst fight was Sanchez vs Koscheck, looks to me like Diego actually got into his own head in this fight and was too afraid to get KOed, he couldnt cope with the counterpunch strategy and should have tried to get it on the ground, even if he was on the bottom initially.

Diego was odd in that he didn't fight to win, but he fought not to lose. Having seen him tear the house down with Parisyan & Diaz, this was extremely disappointing.

Koscheck's interview afterwards was great though :clap:

Art Vandelay

10-04-2007, 20:53

Thought I might as well add this here. For everyone heading to UFC 70 in Manchester, I noticed that Joe Rogan is doing a stand up show the night before not far from the arena. I saw this over on his website:

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/9873/roganbishopwebnf2.jpg (poster ad)

I downloaded his latest stand up dvd and it's really really funny - a lot better than some of his earlier stand up work I've seen.

Anyway, just thought I'd throw this in for anyone heading to the show and looking for other things to do like myself.

damell

10-04-2007, 21:42

I really can't think of anything worse than listening to Rogan for hours without UFC to distract me. :lol:

I'll hopefully be going to the United game before hand. Gonna be an awesome day of sport.

searla

11-04-2007, 08:05

Bugger, if I had been going down th night before I would have gone to that - I quite like Joe Rogan.

d2000s

11-04-2007, 08:34

Yeah, Rogan can be quite funny, check out his blog on myspace, some of the stories are good.

13-04-2007, 20:08

I see its quite likely we have a new drug user. Melvin "the young snorter" Guillard.

fadeaway53

13-04-2007, 20:41

Wow, beaten in 27 seconds and then busted for coke. Not a great week for Guillard.

d2000s

13-04-2007, 21:34

Plus he was accusing Stevenson of using growth hormones before the fight, so he is a hypocrit too :oh-hum:

damell

13-04-2007, 21:42

How stupid must these people be to think they'd get away with it?

derek_m

14-04-2007, 00:16

The way things are currently theres not alot of motivation not to get caught.

Standard penalty in Nevada seems to be a 3-6 month ban and possibly a fine of 20% of the purse.

Since its fairly normal to have 3 months between fights this can make no difference at all to someones career - Sanchez being the perfect example where his 3 month ban went unnoticed until it had expired.

Its about time the athletic commissions got their act together and started enforcing worthwhile penalties.

16-04-2007, 18:13

UFC 72: Victory. I caught the last few seconds on the radio about a press conference in Belfast. Missed all the details though... Anyone heard anything?

I guess it makes sense when Dana et al are in the UK to get the press conference sorted in Belfast and make its presence known. There is also a huge banner around direct wine shipments, between the M3 and the Odyssey for UFC70.

Tickets also look to go onsale on Wed for Fight club holders according to ticketmaster. Havent got the newsletter password yet though.

19-04-2007, 08:57

Interesting article on bbc. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/6568593.stm

How many of us are attending manchester this weekend?

searla

19-04-2007, 09:01

Interesting article on bbc. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/6568593.stm

How many of us are attending manchester this weekend?

I'll be there - hopefully sat next to that Tweedy bird:nuts: (tho, with £50 tickets in my pocket - that's probably unlikly;) )

That is an interesting article actually. I'm a little dissapointed in McGuigan's attitude to MMA, I have always repsected him bith as a fighter and a commentator - but his views seem very single minded and defensive. :(

fadeaway53

19-04-2007, 12:10

19-04-2007, 12:43

Good article, I was tempted to email the BBC and ask when they intended to start covering MMA.

I'll be sitting at home watching the PPV on Setanta :( Can't believe they went to Manchester instead of London :cuckoo: :D

Should be a good card although I wish Bisping had a tougher opponent.

if the rumours are right, the other two cards in the uk this year will be London and glasgow. Headin over tomorrow night and will be sitting in 204A...hopefully a good view from the front row of the upper tier.

Dont forget, tickets for UFC72: Victory go onsale tomorrow for those with the newsletter password. hint. its the title name.

searla

19-04-2007, 13:42

I'll be in 212A - just over from you - i'll give you a wave :wave:

damell

19-04-2007, 13:43

I'm there. :D Didn't realise there'll be celebs in the house. Gonna be a rush for the United lot, they're playing at 5:15pm. :eek:

fadeaway53

19-04-2007, 23:05

Apparently Bob Sapp has been pulled from the Cage Rage show and replaced with Tank Abbott. If I was going to that event I would be furious.

SOUNDSTYLE

20-04-2007, 21:16

It doesn't look like Bravo are showing the entended highlights on the Monday evening this time. :(

Any ideas who else is showing UFC 70 or highlights? (Apart from PPV)

fadeaway53

20-04-2007, 21:17

Some predictions for tomorrow night...

Mirko Cro Cop vs Gabriel Gonzaga
David Heath vs Lyoto Machida
Michael Bisping vs Elvis Sinosic
Andrei Arlovski vs Fabricio Werdum (very interested to see this one as all of the experts seem to be picking Werdum)
Assuerio Silva vs Cheick Kongo (Kongo sucks)

Haven't heard of a lot of the undercard fighters so can't really predict those fights.

Should be a good show - enjoy it all of you who are going (and please don't chant "boring" at any point in the evening!)

damell

20-04-2007, 22:05

blazeuk

21-04-2007, 19:57

If anyone boos I'm gonna ground and pound them!

Watching the Weigh Ins (http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=MultiMedia.Detail&gid=5432) has got me even more excited. Seemed like a really good atmosphere. :D

We're looking at getting there a little early to geek around and get some pre-fight photos. Should be a great day whatever happens.

I thought they got a crowd to 'cheer' during the weigh-ins - some guy at the front organising when they should cheer and when not to?

Boo's have already started though :razz:

fadeaway53

21-04-2007, 21:08

Yeah, it seems more like a boxing crowd than an MMA crowd as most fans started booing as soon as the action hit the floor. Very disappointing as I thought British fans would be more respectful :oh-hum:

Good god, Werdum is horrible though. Arvloski isn't much better but, for his debut, Werdum offered nothing. A lot of these Pride guys do seem disappointing so far.

Bisping was great though but Sinosic is one tough ****** :eek:

fadeaway53

21-04-2007, 21:31

OMFG.....I hope Mirko is okay :eek:

That was nasty as hell.

Voodoo dragon

21-04-2007, 21:32

Holy ****! I was NOT expecting that! I hope CroCop is ok...

fadeaway53

21-04-2007, 21:36

blazeuk

21-04-2007, 22:03

Don't know if we need spoilers as its being shown live on UK TV and is not going to be repeated on Bravo but I'll put them on anyway.

That knock out was sick, definitely the worst one since Rashad KTFO his opponent. Thank god Mirko is okay and able to speak afterwards - the way his ankle turned was awful :gag:

He seems to be walking as good as can be expected on it too...I reckon he's done abit of damage that'll keep him from fighting for a while though, it was one sick knockout and one NASTY fall!

Bisping looked good too, although his style of fighting - lunging in alot, works for him, but does get him in trouble sometimes, he looks abit all over the place on occasions - someone at the top of their game could exploit that if he fought them...Sinosic almost did.

Shame about the booing, alot of the time, it sounded like it was coming from one guy and he was doing it even when there was some good action, then more people started joining in with him! :cuckoo: :oh-hum:

sleep4ever

21-04-2007, 22:10

A complete shock.

I was saying to my mate, I wonder what round he (Mirko) would win in

Nearly took his head off, and the way he fell :eek:

Yes all the booing was tiresome and predictable

Best thing of the night was Bisping's interview after his match :lol:

shez316

22-04-2007, 08:35

Went to this last night. It was completely empty until half way through the PPV.

Lower tier seats at either side of the octogan were 3/4's empty. I had £100 tickets and moved to the good, expensive empty seats as soon as the prelim fight were finished.

Quite a lot of the fans had similar ideas and the good seat soon filled up.

Odd part was they started uprating fans in the really cheap seats to the expensive ones.

All through the PPV people arrived wanting to sit in expensive seats they had been moved to. Trouble was people were already siiting there.

I was decent and moved three times. Albeit a few seats either way. Some guys refused to move and there was little those stewards could do.

It started at around 5.30 and went on till 10.30. By the end the whole place was full of cig smoke though, very annoying.:oh-hum:

Overall, quite pleased got to see the action close up and there were plenty of fights. The prelim fights were far more exciting than the actual PPV.

A good night all round.:clap:

damell

22-04-2007, 15:44

The fans in the stadium weren't that bad to be fair. During the Arlovski vs Werdum and Machida vs Heath fights (which were frankly poor), there were constant attempts to get the fights going without booing but it wasn't to be. I was hugely disappointed with Machida, Arlovski and Werdum.

The atmosphere before and during the Bisping fight was immense though and that was probably the fight of the night, apart from the huge upset in the main event. I've never seen so many dropped jaws in my life, it was surreal. The sheer sound of the headkick echoing around the stadium was crazy.

Anyway, not the greatest card ever but it was definitely good to experience it first hand and I'll be going when they come back to London. I paid for the £50 tickets and the view was great.

Only downside was breaking down on M62 on the way back and waiting on an embankment for 2 hours at 2am in the morning. Then realising we'd have to pay £160 to get back to Leeds. :(

I took a few pics so I'll stick them up soon.

searla

23-04-2007, 09:17

Yeah, I though it was a good night (i'll try and post a couple of pictures later) As for being completely empty?? I wouldn't say that like:shrug:

Sure, during the under-card fights most people were either not there yet, or fighting for an overpriced pint.. But once it went live on PPV, I thought the crowd were excellent (a bit of that might be down to it being my first time and any sort of fighting event;)

Anyways, there was some dissapointing fights, but the Bisbing fight and the Cro Cop shocker made up for it for me.

Great night, can't wait to go to another one.:thumbs:

Ohh... and also, we had £50 tickets in the Upper Tier (which were actually great seats) then we were asked if we wanted to move to the Lower Tier:clap: Couldn't believe my own luck, we were sitting 6 rows from the front in the Lower Tier right by the side of the cage. Must have been the £100+ tickets easy - happy days indeed:n0rty:

damell

23-04-2007, 09:44

fadeaway53

23-04-2007, 11:45

Some good reviews of the event :thumbs:

So why have the Pride fighters been so disappointing in UFC so far?

Mirko got KTFO, Werdum showed nothing, Rampage didn't look that great in his debut.

Is it the fact its in a cage? Was the opposition weaker in Pride?

23-04-2007, 11:52

Only getting a chance to type now. Wow.... really enjoyed the event.

The undercard fights were generally very good. Brits did well with the exception of Lee who was just outclassed. Great finishes from Etim, Liaudin, Taylor and Sakara. Onto the main event. Kongo looked generally poor...some of his striking was ok but he was man handled everywhere else by Silva...who then at on top of him doing very little. poor fight. Machida and heath on paper looked to be a very good fight but ended up in a snooze fest. Deservd win for Machida purely cause he picked up the pace in the final round. Onto the main three then. Bisping was in a major rush to get to the cage...very funny...he nearly went straight into the cage without eing checked by the ref. He did a very good job in the first round, although just looked a it too careless at times. second round looked very dangerous when he got caught in the kimura, thankfully he managed to wriggle outta that and dominate from there on. Superb victory and after fight speech with Rogan. I just worry though that a better ground fighter would take more of an advantage than Elvis did.

After this fight went out to grab a quick beer and Jason McDonald was hanging around. Got chatting to him briefly and asked him if he knew who he was fighting in Belfast, he didnt know though. (rumours look like rory singer) He is a BIG dude...and fighting at 185 :eek:

Arlovski v Werdum : FFS...without swearing much....werdun was bloody robbed. AA did nothing apart from throw a few leg kicks and the occasional punch. At least Werdum...who admittedly did very little also threw some punches that landed. AA needs a reality check if he thought that was a victory.

Crocop v gonzaga : My good god....how is crocop still alive was a fair comment at the time. Seeing it on the big screens after, just enforced how hard a blow that was. Crocop looked very tentaive early on....didnt seem to throw any punches at all before throwing the leg kick and getting taken down.
Hat off to Gonzaga, crocopping crocop. Now he gets Randy.

General thoughts on the event. Cracking crowd and would disagree with earlier comment that the place was half empty til ppv started. It was quiet at 5.30 when we arrived but by 7pm it was easily 50% full. When the PPV kicked in there was barely a free seat in the house. Agree with the comments on the crowd booing....although for some of the fights it was totally understandable.

Was good to see Serra and Randy there and Dna was there for ages walking around and getting photos. Should have some good pics when i get them off the camera!

Wish i could goto UFC72 in Belfast but gonna be elsewhere that weekend...typical :shrug:

searla

23-04-2007, 12:04

Lucky bugger!

Yep, right place right time couldn't have been a better description:thumbs:

Original Seats: (I agree, they were very good, especially for £50)
http://www.searla.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/UFC70/old-seats.jpg

New Seats:
http://www.searla.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/UFC70/new-seats.jpg

damell

23-04-2007, 12:17

Wow, you must have been just above me originally.

fadeaway53

23-04-2007, 12:19

:eek:

You lucky, lucky sod - those are incredible seats.

Regarding Arvloski/Werdum, my thoughts after the fight was that AA won easily enough, views which were matched by Eddie Bravo, Rogan & the judging panel. Maybe it seemed different live, but on TV it seemed the right decision :shrug:

damell

23-04-2007, 12:23

Looked like AA's fight to me. Werdum apart from one flurry I remember did absolutely nothing. Bad game plan really because he wasn't going to be able to stand with AA and his takedown attempts were very weak too.

searla

23-04-2007, 12:31

Yeah, I'd have to agree, AA won the fight for me (albeit not very convincinly). I thought his comments after the fight seemed heartfelt and genuine. I feel at the minute that he's more interested in not getting beat, than going out to smash someone about and putting on a great show. :shrug:

I still like Andrei tho, I just hope he get back on form??

fadeaway53

23-04-2007, 12:45

Think they need to feed AA a couple of cans for him to beat convincingly and use to get his confidence back. He definitely does seem to have lost some confidence after the Sylvia debacles.

Speaking of which, when is Slyvia next fighting? Who does he have?

d2000s

23-04-2007, 13:05

Very disappointing night, bad comeback for the UFC to UK. They had 3 of the worst matches of the year on one card unfortunately, with 2 fights with fighters not engaging, plus Silva doing absolutely nothing in his fight. When Herd Dean warned Arlovski and Werdum he would take off a point in the 3rd, I was thinking this needs to be more regular - been a few fights off late where 1 fighter has just counter punch the whole fight and while you could argue it is a valid strategy, it makes it really dire to watch. I dont think Arlovski trusts his chin anymore.

Hopefully UFC 72 will be far better.

Why are Pride guys not looking good in UFC? Well Crocop is the only real disappointment for me after this last fight(and his general attitude), but anyone can have an off day and you could maybe argue he underestimated his opponent. Werdum did okay in Pride, but he is still relatively inexperienced so I expected Arlovski to win. Rampage peaked about 3-4 years ago and hasnt looked the same since. Same with Herring (tho he hasnt been a Pride fighter for quite a while).

Superstar P.J.

23-04-2007, 13:09

I went along and it was AWESOME!!!! Agree with most of the comments. Underdcard was excellent. 3 of the main card fights were pretty poor but Bisping and Cro Cop fights made up for that. Seemed like all the seats were pretty good value for money, relatively speaking. I was happy with our 100quid ones. Don't think it would be worth paying more than that unless you go the whole hog and go for the floor. Was all set to book for UFC72 afterwards but turns out I already have something else on that weekend. Definitely gonna go to the London and Glasgow ones tho (whenever they may be!). Also gonna go to the weigh in next time. My friends got to meet the refs, Matt Serra & Elvis but I foolishly didn't want to take the day off work.

searla

23-04-2007, 15:08

Seems the always humain and politically correct Daily Star have jumped on the anti-MMA bandwagon.

Article here (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news_detail.html?sku=1589)

I especially like this bit:
IT worker James Alexander, 37, said: “I was expecting it to be all showbiz like professional wrestling.

Oooookkkkaayyyyy.....:oh-hum:

damell

23-04-2007, 15:29

:lol: I was expecting it to make front page news in the Daily Star to be fair.

blazeuk

23-04-2007, 16:54

Seems the always humain and politically correct Daily Star have jumped on the anti-MMA bandwagon.

Article here (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news_detail.html?sku=1589)

I especially like this bit:

Oooookkkkaayyyyy.....:oh-hum:

Some people obviously have more money than sense, the guy expecting it to be like 'showbiz' professional wrestling has obviously never watched an MMA fight before and yet he's going out spending maybe upto £250 for the pleasure of an unkown sport to him!

I bet the Daily Star have been counting down the months so they could make a stupid news post on it :lol:

brainwaster

23-04-2007, 18:31

I hada great Night, I got in there at about 5.15. I was in block 205, row R. The last row of the upper tier. Was a good view though. In the first round of the Paul Taylor fight one of the M.E.N. staff moved me and my mate to the £200 seats!, we went from block 205 to 102. Excellent view from there.

The undercard fights were all very good. Pity David Lee lost. Undercard fighter of the night has to go to Terry Etim, he was excellent.

Bisping was brilliant, Elvis came back nicely at the start of rd 2. I was disappointed with Arlovski. Gonzaga stunned me, like many of the others I gave him no chance but Cro Cop did look out of sorts from when he first came in but then all credit to gonzaga he was the better fighter on the night.

I read the star article, It doesnt surprise me that they published that as they are a main sponsor of Cage Rage!

blazeuk

23-04-2007, 19:02

Bisping was brilliant, Elvis came back nicely at the start of rd 2. I was disappointed with Arlovski. Gonzaga stunned me, like many of the others I gave him no chance but Cro Cop did look out of sorts from when he first came in but then all credit to gonzaga he was the better fighter on the night.

CroCop said before the fight he hated how the UFC was run in terms of the, using 'IT worker James Alexander' words, 'showbiz' style of the press interviews, the massive deal over weigh-ins and all the other stuff that comes along with the UFC.

He said he preferred the Pride way of just going from your hotel room to the fight and it all happening straight away with very little fuss (although he did add that he knew what he was getting into when he signed up for the UFC).

May be a factor to why Pride fighters havent made the impact people were expecting, maybe the change of business running has affected them. To be honest though, the kick Gonzaga delivered, it would have been exactly the same outcome even if the Pride promotion...

fadeaway53

23-04-2007, 19:55

I read the star article, It doesnt surprise me that they published that as they are a main sponsor of Cage Rage!

Ha, didn't know that! Can anyone say hypocrisy?

As for Cro Cop, well if that is his attitude then he should call it a day. Pride as he remembers it is gone. He could still fight for Cage Rage, Bodog or something a little lower profile if that's what he really wants. I get the feeling that Zuffa isn't actually that disappointed that Cro Cop got KTFO as they have a newly created star down in Gonzaga.

d2000s

23-04-2007, 20:13

Ha, didn't know that! Can anyone say hypocrisy?

As for Cro Cop, well if that is his attitude then he should call it a day. Pride as he remembers it is gone. He could still fight for Cage Rage, Bodog or something a little lower profile if that's what he really wants. I get the feeling that Zuffa isn't actually that disappointed that Cro Cop got KTFO as they have a newly created star down in Gonzaga.

Doubt Zuffa is that happy, Crocop speaks English, has a career of highlight reel knockouts, has fought against the top fighters in the world, is an exciting stand-up fighter with a fascinating back story- 10 times more marketable than Gonzaga - not to mention that he is on a contract worth millions!

fadeaway53

23-04-2007, 20:22

23-04-2007, 22:50

d2000s

26-04-2007, 18:25

But, although I hate to compare MMA to wrestling, its kind of like when Vince bought WCW and then proceeded to bury all of its stars. Eventually the brand of WCW was dead. The same thing is happening to Pride without Dana having to actively bury the stars - they are doing it for him.

Zuffa isnt gonna to do that with Pride, they have spent too much money on it and are continuing to run it as a separate company - plus Zuffa/Dana is faaaaaaaaarrrrrr smarter than Vince Mcmahon. But its really nothing to do with the takeover - Crocop, Rampage were signed before that, Werdum was a free agent too iirc. You could call Anderson Silva a Pride fighter too if you were being so loose in the definition.

d2000s

26-04-2007, 18:28

Might not be going to UFC 72 now, left it too long to buy tickets, now the best cheap seats are gone - didnt think would go so quick. Not paying £105 for upper tier row Q!! :(

no flipping

26-04-2007, 20:33

are the highlights not being shown on Bravo? Can't see it listed.

d2000s

26-04-2007, 20:51

are the highlights not being shown on Bravo? Can't see it listed.

No, cant see it being on for some months - all events in Europe are on PPV over here.

dmb6473a

26-04-2007, 23:34

Dana is faaaaaaaaarrrrrr smarter than Vince Mcmahon.

Having read some of White's interviews, I'd say he's almost a clone of Vince. I think we'll have to wait 20 years to see how close to being a billionaire he is before we know if he's smarter or not.

With Pride, they have three main problems: -

- Getting back on tv in Japan.
- Being a U.S. company trying to run in and understand the Japanese culture.

The third is that the UFC (i.e. the U.S.) is where the money is right now. No tv plus a stoneage PPV system mean that they aren't going to give away marquee matches in Japan, when they can make millions in Las Vegas. So unless things change, Pride will probably become a feeder company for UFC.

d2000s

27-04-2007, 08:55

Having read some of White's interviews, I'd say he's almost a clone of Vince. I think we'll have to wait 20 years to see how close to being a billionaire he is before we know if he's smarter or not.
.

How is he a clone?

I dont think you can compare the 2 in terms of intelligence by wealth alone, Vince had it easy in that he inherited a company with a main stream sport. White and the Fertitas bought a company which was considered human cockfighting and have turned it into a company that is overtaking boxing.

With Pride, they have three main problems: -

- Getting back on tv in Japan.
- Being a U.S. company trying to run in and understand the Japanese culture.

The third is that the UFC (i.e. the U.S.) is where the money is right now. No tv plus a stoneage PPV system mean that they aren't going to give away marquee matches in Japan, when they can make millions in Las Vegas. So unless things change, Pride will probably become a feeder company for UFC.

By all accounts they are almost guaranteed to get back on TV very soon and with the sponsorship deals they get in Japan, they will be making the money DSE were making before they had their troubles. They dont need to copy the UFC model for Pride, put it on TV over in Japan and on PPV in the US which they can promote better than Pride did.

dmb6473a

27-04-2007, 10:29

How is he a clone?

Like I said, you'd need to have heard the interviews of both. The way both talk about the expansion of the companies, about the opposition, talent, legal matters, etc. White is McMahon 20 years on.

I dont think you can compare the 2 in terms of intelligence by wealth alone, Vince had it easy in that he inherited a company with a main stream sport. White and the Fertitas bought a company which was considered human cockfighting and have turned it into a company that is overtaking boxing.

McMahon didn't inherit anything (and it was hardly mainstream, compared to what he made it). He bought the company from his father and the other shareholders, then spent a fortune buying up all of the tv slots, and cherry picking the top talent from the regionals. He was actually in debt during this period as it was all funded by loans, but he had the foresight to realise that, with the advent of cable, going national was the way to success (his father's version of the company was a regional promotion in the Northeast). If the first Wrestlemania had flopped he would have gone out of business.

I'm not saying that you can compare on wealth alone. The point is that McMahon has been a success for nearly 25 years, and has gone from nothing to a billionaire (almost) in that time. I think that's a pretty smart thing to do.

On the other side, White has been around for 10 minutes in comparison, and while he's doing well at the moment, the question is how long can it be sustained for. The biggest problem that he'll face is over-exposure and how they deal with it. Apparently, the other week on Spike TV, there were 16 and a half hours of UFC on the channel, which is crazy and can lead to audience burnout. It's interesting on here to see how much buzz the first few seasons of the Ultimate Fighter had, yet the last two have had almost none at all. We're a fraction of a percentage of the audience, but if that happens on a larger scale they could have a few problems.

The Fertitas might be smarter than McMahon, though I'm not sure we can prove it either way. But the comparison was made with White and not them.

By all accounts they are almost guaranteed to get back on TV very soon and with the sponsorship deals they get in Japan, they will be making the money DSE were making before they had their troubles. They dont need to copy the UFC model for Pride, put it on TV over in Japan and on PPV in the US which they can promote better than Pride did.

I know there had been talk about them negotiating with the Fuji Network, but that seems to have gone cold in the last month. I doubt they'll be able to make as much as DSE did (initially anyway), as many of the talent contracts and the elaborate stage set-ups in the arenas were funded by the tv companies. I can't see a Japanese company doing that for a U.S. company, so that will be additional expense from UFC's pocket.

No doubt, getting back on tv in Japan is a key step. However, Pride PPVs in the U.S. is a big issue on many levels. The first being that the number of weekend PPV slots is already limited (and the number of start up companies is growing). The second problem is back to the over-exposure of the product. Ok, they'll promote them as separate entities. But with too many shows (UFC, Pride, Spike specials, etc) people will pick and choose. So on one hand, the lesser known Pride shows may do poor numbers. On the other hand, a successful Pride could speed up the burnout of the UFC audience.

Its all speculation at this stage though, so we'll see what happens. Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if, within the next two years, the Pride name is dropped and everything is rebranded UFC.

bluballs

27-04-2007, 17:10

Jeez, did Cro cop ever get knocked the edit out eh! whew

Alan b

27-04-2007, 17:27

Please don't bypass the swear censor, if you have to swear then use the correct spelling and let the censor do it's job.

d2000s

27-04-2007, 18:32

Like I said, you'd need to have heard the interviews of both. The way both talk about the expansion of the companies, about the opposition, talent, legal matters, etc. White is McMahon 20 years on....................

I didnt mean inherit literally, rather he took over control of the company. And I wasnt saying Mcmahon isnt smart, but other than WWE he has failed miserably at starting new companies, unlike White. But we will have to agree to disagree, I just dont see the comparison other than being promoters.

I know there had been talk about them negotiating with the Fuji Network, but that seems to have gone cold in the last month. I doubt they'll be able to make as much as DSE did (initially anyway), as many of the talent contracts and the elaborate stage set-ups in the arenas were funded by the tv companies. I can't see a Japanese company doing that for a U.S. company, so that will be additional expense from UFC's pocket.............................................................................................................

We will have to wait and see, but from all accounts the TV deal is highly likely. Would they have bought it without guarantees on that?
Dont forget Pride already broadcast PPVs in the US so I dont see a problem with PPV slots. But there is enough money in the Asian market alone for Pride even if the transition into the US market fails imo

dmb6473a

27-04-2007, 20:56

I didnt mean inherit literally, rather he took over control of the company. And I wasnt saying Mcmahon isnt smart, but other than WWE he has failed miserably at starting new companies, unlike White. But we will have to agree to disagree, I just dont see the comparison other than being promoters.

What other new companies has White started? Dabbling in a bit of boxing (owning a gym, trainer, promoter and teaching boxercise)? It's hardly on the same ambition level as trying to start up his bodybuiling federation and football league.

All that we know is that in their respective successes, McMahon has had 25 years success as a wrestling promoter/owner, White has had approximately 18 months worth of success with UFC where they've been making money.

The comparison between the two is that they have the same style of promotion. White even agreed to fight Ortiz, which is such a McMahon thing to do. Some promoters like to let their stars take the spotlight but I get the impression that White enjoys sharing it.

We will have to wait and see, but from all accounts the TV deal is highly likely. Would they have bought it without guarantees on that?
Dont forget Pride already broadcast PPVs in the US so I dont see a problem with PPV slots. But there is enough money in the Asian market alone for Pride even if the transition into the US market fails imo

Yes, I think they would buy without tv. The main goal was most likely to pick up fighters contracts, especially with so many start-up companies jumping on the bandwagon. I would agree that they most likely will get back on tv, though, as I'd imagine the tv companies were caught in a moral dilemma when they dropped it, due to the high ratings they used to achieve. They really do need to find the next Japanese superstar though, as the only recent foreign draws are going to be spending most of their time in UFC.

Regarding the Pride PPVs already being shown in the U.S., only time will tell as to how they'll deal with those.

fadeaway53

30-04-2007, 17:50

UFC70 paydays:-

-Gabriel Gonzaga ($60,000) def. Mirko CroCop ($350,000)
-Andrei Arlovski ($160,000) def. Fabricio Werdum ($80,000)
-Michael Bisping ($24,000) def. Elvis Sinosic ($8,000)
-”Lyoto” Ryoto Machida ($40,000) def. David Heath ($6,000)
-Cheick Kongo ($40,000) def. Assuerio Silva ($8,000)
-Terry Etin ($12,000) def. Matt Grice ($3,000)
-Junior Assuncao ($6,000) def. David Lee ($2,000)
-Alessio Sakara ($20,000) def. Victor Valimaki ($3,000)
-Jess Liaudin ($6,000) def. Dennis Siver ($3,000)
-Paul Taylor ($8,000) def. Edilberto Crocota ($4,000)

+ Bonuses

Knockout of the Night
* Gabriel Gonzaga (over Mirko “Cro Cop” Filipovic) — $30,000

Submission of the Night
* Terry Etim (over Matt Grice) — $30,000

Fight of the Night
* Michael Bisping (over Elvis Sinosic) — $30,000
* Elvis Sinosic (lost to Michael Bisping) — $30,000

Glad that Elvis got a little extra cash for taking that beating, $8k alone would have been an insult.

Machida should be giving money back :lol:

Arthur Fowler

30-04-2007, 21:15

Wow - what a disparity in purses :eek:

I'd take a kick in the head like that for $350k!

d2000s

30-04-2007, 22:27

The main goal was most likely to pick up fighters contracts, especially with so many start-up companies jumping on the bandwagon. .

I disagree, they are never going to pay millions and millions to buy fighters who are on a fraction of that. Many of them are reportedly on 1 fight contracts anyway, some, like Shogun, were out of contract.

08-05-2007, 11:14

I see Kampmann is off the Belfast UFC card. Rumours surround Okami taking his place.... I think he will test Franklin even more than kampmann if thats the case....

fadeaway53

08-05-2007, 11:55

I see Kampmann is off the Belfast UFC card. Rumours surround Okami taking his place.... I think he will test Franklin even more than kampmann if thats the case....

Agreed but Franklin/Okami isn't really a PPV main event quality match.

The rest of the card looks pretty decent though.

09-05-2007, 13:54

Agreed but Franklin/Okami isn't really a PPV main event quality match.

The rest of the card looks pretty decent though.

Not wanting to take any credibility away from Franklin....but unless he was fighting for a title it was a pretty poor main event anyway. The rest of the card is ok, there are a few good fights on paper.

Looks like sylvia vs Mir is pencilled in for August. :oh-hum:

Looks like ufc73 will be a belter though. Crocop rumoured to be back on that one as well as Tito, Big Nog, Anderson Silva, Marquardt, Sherk, Franca, Lytle..... Thats more like it! :thumbs:

damell

09-05-2007, 17:33

UFC 73 really is looking good.

Confirmed already:

Marquardt Vs. Silva
Evans Vs. Ortiz
Sherk vs Franca

If they get Nog and Crocop on that card it will be unbelievable.

mitch316

09-05-2007, 17:35

UFC 73 really is looking good.

Confirmed already:

Marquardt Vs. Silva
Evans Vs. Ortiz
Sherk vs Franca

If they get Nog and Crocop on that card it will be unbelievable.

nogs fighting heath herring

d2000s

09-05-2007, 20:54

"Stacked" couldnt be more apt a name for 73, been a while since such a good card top to bottom.

damell

18-05-2007, 19:52

Seems the always humain and politically correct Daily Star have jumped on the anti-MMA bandwagon.

Article here (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news_detail.html?sku=1589)

I especially like this bit:

Oooookkkkaayyyyy.....:oh-hum:

Oh jesus. :lol: New article from the Daily Star. What a 180.

if you believe what you read generally, you’re more likely to see lumps of flesh being ripped asunder
than the genuine sporting contest of Mixed Martial Arts fighting.

Your Daily Star, of course, has been less sensationalist than our downmarket rivals.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news_detail.html?sku=1717

searla

21-05-2007, 07:52

That takes hypocrisy to a new level:oh-hum:

haha:lol:

fadeaway53

21-05-2007, 12:07

Anyone watching TUF this year?

I know it isn't getting great ratings in the States but it's been a really good series so far and there are some great fighters in there.

Seems odd to have one of the contestants be a guy that KTFO one of the trainers though (Joe Lauzon). :doh:

searla

21-05-2007, 12:17

Yeah, I thought that was a bit strange - and the fact it wasn't mentioned until he was fighting:doh:

Anyways, I'm enjoying this season too - there's a lot of "Little Man Syndrome" kicking about in the house!:lol:

fadeaway53

21-05-2007, 12:27

searla

21-05-2007, 12:33

Aye, he's never a fighter like - what a tool....

Also, all I could think about watching him is how much he looked and acted like Jeremy Piven (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005315/) - It did my head in:doh:

damell

21-05-2007, 13:45

The reality side is OK, but there really doesn't look to be too much quality there. Nate Diaz looks decent and obviously Lauzon (God knows why he's actually in it? He beats Pulver on his UFC debut and then never fights again? Seems strange.).

TUF has done it's job in bringing MMA to the masses so I think they should can it pretty soon and stop milking it now.

joconnor

21-05-2007, 14:53

He beats Pulver on his UFC debut and then never fights again? Seems strange.).

Because even with his win over Pulver he wouldn't be making big bucks. TUF turns good fighter into stars.

What has Forrest Griffin done to deserve his star status other then beat a few cans and lose to every quality opposition he's faced? That's right, The Ultimate Fighter.

Pre TUF Lauzon = about 6k per match and a crappy sponsorship deal
Post TUF Lauzon = about 25k per match and a six figure Xyience deal.

Sad but true

d2000s

21-05-2007, 16:31

Yeah, it certainly is lively in there :lol:

Don't know what Gabe was playing at though. Have a sneaking suspicion he never actually intended to fight and was just doing it for publicity or something. :suspect:

Was he not set up for that though? I just dont trust these reality shows-he doesnt make weight so they cast him as the villain for the whole show. He actually has a decent record and was WEC lightweight champ so I dont see why he would be afraid to fight.

The reality side doesnt really interest me though, I thought the fights have been good this year, no boring fights that I can think of. I think there are a few guys on the show that will make decent editions to the LW division in the UFC. I have avoided it, but I beleive the finalists have already been posted on the internet, leaked by one of the contestants, so I am not going to make predictions as I will probably look stupid straight away.:)

d3m0n

21-05-2007, 16:54

I am enjoying this season and as usual we have seen the usual batch of fights where one of the fighters just doesnt seem to get into the zone when they have walked into the octagon.

There are some definate favorites in there and some big underdogs

After a few more weeks we will see who has it and who doesnt!

26-05-2007, 10:02

Well predictions for this weekend...

As much time as i have for Rampage.....and boy id love to see him win, i just dont think he has the tools to cope with Chuck now. Chuck has evolved since his defeat and his striking has gone to another level. It should be a tough fight and i see it going longer than most of Chucks recent fights....but i can still see him winning by KO. I hope it lives up to its hype.

Not sure about the rest of the card, Karo should beat Burkman...although it should be action packed. Jardine and Salaverry should pick up wins as well.
I see it airs on Sunday night on Bravo.

joconnor

26-05-2007, 10:05

6 months ago I would have bet my house on Chuck but all the recent upsets have made me do a rethink.

If Rampage wins 2007 truly is the year of the upset.

fadeaway53

26-05-2007, 11:07

If Rampage wins 2007 truly is the year of the upset.

Not sure why everyone seems to think it would be a huge upset.

Chuck seems to have 'issues' with his social life while Rampage has beaten him (damn convincingly) before. Rampage also holds victories over Lindland, Rua, Arona & Randleman so it isn't like he is some noob. He's also only 28 so he should have many years left in him.

In my mind, this isn't even close to Serra over GSP.

Anyway, here are my picks:-

Chuck Liddell Vs. Quinton Jackson
Terry Martin Vs. Ivan Salaverry
Josh Burkman Vs. Karo Parisyan
Houston Alexander Vs. Keith Jardine
Kalib Starnes Vs. Chris Leben
Thiago Silva Vs. James Irvin
Sean Salmon Vs. Eric Schafer
Jeremy Stephens Vs. Din Thomas
Carmelo Marrero Vs. Wilson Gouveia

SOUNDSTYLE

26-05-2007, 11:33

If anybody didn't know, UFC 71 is being shown:

Tomorrow (Sunday 27th) at 21:00 - 00:00 on (Bravo!)

Repeated Monday 28th at 21:00 - 00:00 (Bravo 2!)

Hopefully all the fights will match up to the main event fight.

no flipping

26-05-2007, 11:47

damell

26-05-2007, 13:51

I'm going for Liddell by split decision and Parisyan to beat Burkman by unanimous decision. Should be two top fights.

mitch316

26-05-2007, 14:07

my predictions

Chuck Liddell Vs. Quinton Jackson
Terry Martin Vs. Ivan Salaverry
Josh Burkman Vs. Karo Parisyan
Houston Alexander Vs. Keith Jardine
Kalib Starnes Vs. Chris Leben
Thiago Silva Vs. James Irvin
Sean Salmon Vs. Alan Belcher
Jeremy Stephens Vs. Din Thomas
Carmelo Marrero Vs. Wilson Gouveia

d3m0n

26-05-2007, 19:27

for me:

Chuck Liddell Vs. Quinton Jackson
Terry Martin Vs. Ivan Salaverry
Josh Burkman Vs. Karo Parisyan
Houston Alexander Vs. Keith Jardine
Kalib Starnes Vs. Chris Leben
Thiago Silva Vs. James Irvin
Sean Salmon Vs. Eric Schafer
Jeremy Stephens Vs. Din Thomas
Carmelo Marrero Vs. Wilson Gouveia (cant say i remember the names?)

damell

27-05-2007, 10:22

A WORD OF WARNING FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T SEEN UFC 71!

If you use usenet for the latest events, don't go looking in the mma newsgroup. Some arsehole posted the results without spoilers. :(

fadeaway53

27-05-2007, 13:48

Yeah, I accidently caught the results as well. Sounds like a decent enough show and it will be good to see Rampage make Chuck his bitch again in under 2 minutes.

d3m0n

27-05-2007, 16:20

A WORD OF WARNING FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T SEEN UFC 71!

If you use usenet for the latest events, don't go looking in the mma newsgroup. Some arsehole posted the results without spoilers. :(

Thanks for the heads up on MSN earlier today......sadly i managed to see what you was warning when i went looking for the show:cry:

Any way i have watched it now and it was pretty good! For those of you waiting for the Bravo show, make sure you sky+ it or whatever as it shouldnt be missed.

All i can say is i am glad i didnt manage to place any bets:eek:

damell

27-05-2007, 17:54

Good card overall. Can't believe some **** purposely spoilt the main event though. :mad:

Parisyan (as always) vs Burkman was probably the fight of the night. Not totally shocked by Rampage winning but wasn't expecting a first round KO.

Looking forward to Rampage vs Henderson. :notworthy

fadeaway53

27-05-2007, 23:30

Well, have now watched the show and enjoyed it greatly.

- Leben & Starnes had a war which could have gone either way (although I personally agreed that Kalib won it).

- A star has been born in Houston Alexander :eek: Holy crap, Jardine got KTFO big time. That'll teach him to overlook Houston. Especially given the ridiculous number of upsets going on at the moment.

- Martin & Salvaberry was okay, nothing special

- Parisyan & Burkman was good stuff although Karo always looked as if he had too much for Burkman to handle. Not sure about Karo's chances of getting the title shot with so much talent in the division though.

- Din Thomas beat Jeremy Stephens with a sick armbar. Can't believe Stephens complained about the stoppage.....his arm would have been broken for sure.

- Well, hate to say I told you so but.... Had a feeling that Rampage would knock over Chuck and so it was proved. Quite dominating as well. Can't believe Dana is too happy though as Liddell/Hendo title vs title UFC vs Pride is a lot more appealing to the UFC audience than Rampage/Hendo.

Overall a good show :thumbs:

Edit: forgot to mention....Rampage was hilarious on the mic

joconnor

27-05-2007, 23:51

Well at least the age old question of "Who ate all the pies?" has been answered. I have never seen a champ look so out of shape (Tim Sylvia included:eek:)

29-05-2007, 11:26

Well.....another UFC another 'slight' upset. Chuck looked awful! He normally has a bit of a belly, but this time he really was bigger. Dont know what he hoped to achieve going into this fight looking like that considering Rampage was ripped.

Well deserved victory for Rampage and immediately he's gonna have problems with Dan Henderson. Im a bit unsure of Danas tactics, Yes it will be great to see two top class fighters, but Joe Schmo has hardly any idea who Rampage is let alone this new guy Henderson! Its a tricky one to manage...

Good win for Karo, he just looked a bit better than Burkman alround, but Burkman didnt disgrace himself by any means and put on a great show.

Jardine got KTFO! Those were some uppercuts he ate...

Leben bores me. Terry Martin is making moves in the right direction. Looked to be a solid card overall.

Rumours are UFC75 from London on September 8th. Will def make that show, sorry i cant make Belfast even though the Odyssey is only about 2 miles down the road from me FFS!

d2000s

29-05-2007, 14:51

Very good show I felt. I was slightly shocked at Chuck, but I had feared he would come in like that after all the apparent "issues" he was having just before the fight was announced. Rampage vs Hendo is a big fight, but I really dont believe either of them are the true number 1 LHW - it is a very cloudy division I think. In terms of the mainstream appeal - I truely feel it is the brand selling out the shows as much as anything these days and simply saying champion vs champion will draw in the attention.
Karo never fails to disappoint and is my favourite fighter, his striking was excellent I thought and he made Burkman miss his punches a lot, very impressive showing.

04-06-2007, 09:13

For anyone interested, Brock Lesnar made his mma debut on Saturday night against a big Korean dude called Kim :) Its on youtube....

Lesnar is Huuuuuuge

fadeaway53

04-06-2007, 12:23

And his opponent tapped out to a few light shots :suspect:

damell

04-06-2007, 14:48

Yeah it was a pretty terrible fight, but the guy did come in late. Apparently it was an abortion of an event and shall not be spoken about again.

derek_m

04-06-2007, 19:57

It wasnt that good damell.

Bodogs first PPV now has a serious competitor for worst produced MMA PPV ever.

fadeaway53

04-06-2007, 20:42

I hear they held it in a stadium with a 100,000 capacity but didn't even get 8,000.

Even UFC would struggle to fill that stadium :doh:

derek_m

04-06-2007, 20:54

Venue was the LA Coliseum: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Memorial_Coliseum

They had more than 8,000, but the officially claimed attendance of 54k is clearly ridiculous. The upper sections of the stands and both ends of the stadium were not being used, which would have limited the capacity far below that number even if the sections being used were full.

An actual attendance of around 25k feels about right, although how many of those paid for their tickets will be interesting to find out. Ticket prices started from a massive $10, maybe they managed to sell 8,000 of those ...

US events normally have to file actual attendance figures as well as the takings on the gate and number of free tickets distributed, so we should know for sure in a few days.

d2000s

07-06-2007, 00:54

K1 has largely been a huge disappointment in for MMA considering the budget they have, booked more like a pro-wrestling event, they are more interested in gimmick matches than genuine competition.

mitch316

08-06-2007, 14:08

the legendary don frye

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08-06-2007, 17:17

Hot off the press. Rampage v Henderson in London September 8th. :thumbs:

Now thats what i call a title fight, if those two are fighting along with crocop and bisping...it will be a cracking card.

damell

08-06-2007, 17:38

Source? :eek:

That would be awesome!

mitch316

08-06-2007, 17:41

Hot off the press. Rampage v Henderson in London September 8th. :thumbs:

Now thats what i call a title fight, if those two are fighting along with crocop and bisping...it will be a cracking card.

rumored to be crocop arlovski no1 contenders match:eek:

derek_m

09-06-2007, 14:16

Rampage/Henderson in London was mentioned by Jackson himself in a TV interview.US events normally have to file actual attendance figures as well as the takings on the gate and number of free tickets distributed, so we should know for sure in a few days.Well finally those numbers turned up: far later than normal - http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=4100&zoneid=13

TicketMaster sold a massive total of 3,674 tickets, 18,340 people were verified as passing through turnstyles, and theres lots of other random numbers that were likely plucked out of thin air ;)

Amusingly their eagerness to inflate the attendance figures backfires nicely, since they will have to pay taxes on a massive number of tickets they bought themselves and claim to have resold.

Im not holding my breath for the announcement of their next event at the same venue ...

fadeaway53

11-06-2007, 21:57

Rampage & Henderson in London with Cro Cop on the undercard? :eek:

See you there :thumbs:

damell

12-06-2007, 08:22

Just got an email from Ticket Master. Definitely confirmed for September 8th at the O2 Arena.

Fight Club Pre-sale: 13 June 9am
Newsletter Pre-sale: 14 June 9am
General Sale: 18 June 9am

Rampage vs Henderson (Pretty much confirmed)
Crocop vs Arlovski (Gotta be?)
Bisping vs ? (Who do you think?)

mitch316

12-06-2007, 08:25

looks like its going to be crocop vs kongo

13-06-2007, 10:33

rumours circulating of Bisping v Matt Hamill. Not sure if thats a good fight for him or not....its not exactly a step forward.

Sakara seems pencilled in for the card already...that might be a good next step.

d2000s

13-06-2007, 10:38

Any word on where/when the UFC weighins for the weekend are bing held?

searla

13-06-2007, 10:41

I would take Bisbing against Hamill any day. Hammil's a great wrestler, but bisbing in in a different league when it comes to aggression and striking!

Probably a wise move from the UFC's point of view - another (probable) win for Bisping, UFC keeps growning in the UK off the back of it etc...

damell

13-06-2007, 11:21

The last thing the UFC want is Bisping losing in his own back yard. I think he'll fight a couple more "gimmes" before giving him Forrest or someone like that. Now that would be an entertaining fight.

The only way Hamill could beat Bisping is by taking him down and doing some good old fashioned lay and pray for 15 minutes.

fadeaway53

13-06-2007, 12:05

Is Hamill as good a wrestler as he's made out to be though? He was hyped up on TUF and then fought like a drunk at closing time when he finally got in the Octagon. Based on what we've seen so far, Bisping would destroy him.

Its kind of funny that UFC72 is this weekend yet no-one is talking about it at all (aside from the request for weigh-in details). On paper, this is probably the weakest UFC card for at least a couple of years.

damell

13-06-2007, 14:17

Indeed. Still, MMA is MMA and it should still be enjoyable. Plus, UFC 70 was an excellent card on paper but didn't really live up to the hype. This could be the other way round.

13-06-2007, 18:38

Any word on where/when the UFC weighins for the weekend are bing held?

I heard they were from 3pm in the odyssey on Friday.

d2000s

13-06-2007, 21:14

I heard they were from 3pm in the odyssey on Friday.

Yeah, just about to post, 3pm-5pm in the Odyssey on Friday, definately.

searla

14-06-2007, 07:40

Anyone seen fight night 10 yet? not a bad show at all! Great main even and some awesome knockouts along the way:thumbs:

14-06-2007, 08:12

Anyone seen fight night 10 yet? not a bad show at all! Great main even and some awesome knockouts along the way:thumbs:

Yeah, saw some of the fights last night....some oo KO's.

On a different note....ticketmaster arent exactly sharp off the mark... 9.12 and still these tickets arent for sale. :brickwall

Art Vandelay

14-06-2007, 10:23

Did anyone else get tickets? I got two £50 ones this morning. Block 404, Row J. I went for £100 last time and my friend who had £50 seats ended up with a better view than we did!

Anyone else going?

14-06-2007, 11:23

Yeah got tickets in 101 P. Look dead on.

Block 404 looks fine...if its level with the octagon and youre up high the view will be grand.

fadeaway53

16-06-2007, 06:32

Some predictions for tonight...

Rich Franklin vs Yushin Okami
Forrest Griffin vs Hector Ramirez
Rory Singer vs Jason MacDonald
Clay Guida vs Tyson Griffin
Scott Smith vs Ed Herman
Jason Tan vs Marcus Davis
Eddie Sanchez vs Colin Robinson
Dustin Hazelett vs Steve Lynch

d2000s

16-06-2007, 10:24

Anyone seen fight night 10 yet? not a bad show at all! Great main even and some awesome knockouts along the way:thumbs:

Very good show and great main event as you say - goes to show its good matchups, not big names that make a good event.

fadeaway53

16-06-2007, 20:47

Well, have to hold my hands up.

Thought this show would suck but made a late decision to get it and its turned into one of the best shows of recent times :thumbs:

Every fight has been good so far....

And how good did Ed Herman look :eek:

d3m0n

16-06-2007, 21:39

Do you think i'll have to be quick to get tickets when they go on general sale next week?

My predictions:

Rich Franklin vs Yushin Okami
Forrest Griffin vs Hector Ramirez
Rory Singer vs Jason MacDonald
Clay Guida vs Tyson Griffin
Scott Smith vs Ed Herman
Jason Tan vs Marcus Davis
Eddie Sanchez vs Colin Robinson
Dustin Hazelett vs Steve Lynch

Balls just clicked a link on another site to wikipidia and it gave the results for the show.........damn it i wish sites wouldnt update so quick

blazeuk

16-06-2007, 22:16

Overall a pretty good card, it would have been a whole lot better if they had thrown a title fight into the mix aswell - was a much better event than it looked on paper though;

Main event wasn't too good, first 2 rounds pretty much non existent, nothing really happened and Franklin won them just for pretty much being the only one looking interested in moving the fight along.

Fight of the night for me was Clay Guida vs Tyson Griffin, both fighters worked nonstop for 3 rounds and it was back and forth - Guida should have won the decision though.

The rest of the fights were pretty solid too - Forrest looked great, Ramirez didn't look like he was upto much to be honest, whether that was because Forrest threw him off his game or not, i'm not sure, but he didn't look like he was doing anything.

MacDonald and Herman both looked good in their fights aswell, especially Herman - Scott Smith is a decent fighter and Herman just went through him

Really looking forward to the next 3 PPV's now, they've built up really good cards on all 3 so far!

damell

18-06-2007, 09:52

It wasn't a bad card. Started well but fizzled out a little. Herman (who looked very impressive) vs Smith was pretty good.

Little Griffin vs Guida was excellent despite the decision. Griffin clearly won the 1st round, Guida the 2nd and in the 3rd Guida was on top the majority of the round so I'm really not sure what the judges were thinking. Felt sorry for Guida who showed a lot of class in defeat. Both very good, young fighters who I look forward to seeing more of in the future.

MacDonald vs Singer was a little sloppy. Both fighters seemed to gas pretty early.

Big Griffin vs Ramirez wasn't that exciting either. Ramirez didn't have a clue what to do and looked totally out of his depth. Griffin just played it safe as he couldn't afford another loss.

And then the main event was pretty much the same as the previous fight. Franklin cautious, Okami clueless and only decided to wake up in the 3rd round when it was too late.

Not a bad card but nothing to get excited about.

Now the next card looks awesome. 74 has a couple of good fights (Couture vs Gonzaga, GSP vs Koscheck) and 75 looks good too. Gonna be a good few months of MMA. :)

damell

18-06-2007, 10:11

d2000s

18-06-2007, 12:40

By the way, does anyone know what the hell is going on with PRIDE? Everytime Dana is questioned about it he just replies with "All you need to know is the best fighters will all fight each other now". Nothing about whether PRIDE itself actually exists anymore. It would be a massive shame if it went under. The tournaments they put on are fantastic and I prefer the rules and the fans too.

It'd be off if they paid $65mill just to wipe out the competition.

Dont really know whats going on, but the Pride rules have already been changed to the UFC rules as far as I know. I cant see them spending $65m just to wipe out the competition myself, Pride was on the way out under DSE ownership anyway and if anyone else had taken over they could have poached the talent anyway given that most are not in exclusive contracts - wouldnt be the first time I was wrong tho.

dmb6473a

18-06-2007, 17:10

By the way, does anyone know what the hell is going on with PRIDE? Everytime Dana is questioned about it he just replies with "All you need to know is the best fighters will all fight each other now". Nothing about whether PRIDE itself actually exists anymore. It would be a massive shame if it went under. The tournaments they put on are fantastic and I prefer the rules and the fans too.

It still exists. But, as has been known for a long time, U.S. companies face many difficulties when setting up in Japan due to not understanding the culture, etc. Plus the big money is in PPV, and that's something that the Japanese haven't embraced yet. Obviously the U.S. has, so all of the big fights are going to be in UFC for the forseeable future.

White was initially negative about putting on the tournaments like Pride normally does, but the last I'd heard was they were having a rethink.

fadeaway53

18-06-2007, 18:53

Well, just booked some tickets for UFC 75 but sadly all of the £50 tickets were gone so I was left with a choice of the £25 or £100 tickets.

Went with the £25 tickets so expect to be up in the gods watching the event on a screen :cry:

fadeaway53

18-06-2007, 19:28

Michael Bisping vs Ken Shamrock rumoured for UFC 75.

Should be entertaining to watch :lol:

damell

18-06-2007, 20:53

Shouldn't be too bad a view fade. You could pay £12 for a PPV, or double and get the atmosphere and undercards thrown in. :thumbs:

23-06-2007, 11:28

Michael Bisping vs Ken Shamrock rumoured for UFC 75.

Should be entertaining to watch :lol:

Thankfully theyve announced the fight with Matt Hamill....although i agree shamrock wouldve been entertaining!

Back in the UK and caught up with UFC Belfast last night. Some cracking fights...Herman looked very strong as did both Tyson Griffin and Guida. That fight was a close call, id have given it to Guida personally. Macdonald did well to win and Forrest looked out of sorts but got a easy verdict. Rich and Okami both looked like they had too much to lose and just didnt get down to it at all. 3rd round was good though.

Shamrock vs Baroni was on last night...check it out on dailymotion.com....worth a watch.

On a slightly different note, good luck to Hatton tonight in Vegas, he will have his hands full with a desparate Mexican, Jose Luis Collazo.

Arthur Fowler

23-06-2007, 12:10

Shamrock vs Baroni was on last night...check it out on dailymotion.com....worth a watch.

Wow - great fight! Thanks.

fadeaway53

25-06-2007, 12:26

Really enjoyed the Ultimate Finale.

BJ Penn looked awesome and seemed to be playing with Pulver before he decided to finish him off. With his new conditioning coach and motivation, he really could become the best MMA fighter in the world. And he wants Matt Hughes next :clap:

Manny & Diaz was looking good until the unfortunate injury. It certainly seemed like Manny was going to win the contract so I hope Dana gives him another couple of opportunities.

Joe Lauzon & Cole Miller both looked really good and the finish to the Gray Maynard / Rob Emerson fight was hilarious :lol:

06-07-2007, 17:29

Jeez...tumbleweeds in ere.......

Right...UFC73 : STACKED ....looks a cracking card. Watched the all access on Sean Sherk, my god the guy is a machine, after watching that i cant see him losing...no way. Silva is definitely got his work cut out with Marquardt, although i see him getting a ko victory. I think Rashad is gonna give tito a real hard time and probably take a decision victory. Nogueira will be out to impress and will probably secure some amazing submission in the first round.

Main Card Bouts:
-Anderson Silva vs. Nathan Marquardt
-Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira vs. Heath Herring
-Tito Ortiz vs. Rashad Evans
-Sean Sherk vs. Hermes Franca
-Kenny Florian vs. Alvin Robinson

Preliminary Bouts:
-Frankie Edgar vs. Mark Bocek :shrug:
-Chris Lytle vs. Jason Gilliam :shrug:
-Jorge Gurgel vs. Diego Saraiva
-Stephan Bonnar vs. Mike Nickels

joconnor

06-07-2007, 18:00

Main Card Bouts:
-Anderson Silva vs. Nathan Marquardt
-Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira vs. Heath Herring
-Tito Ortiz vs. Rashad Evans
-Sean Sherk vs. Hermes Franca
-Kenny Florian vs. Alvin Robinson

Preliminary Bouts:
-Frankie Edgar vs. Mark Bocek :shrug:
-Chris Lytle vs. Jason Gilliam
-Jorge Gurgel vs. Diego Saraiva
-Stephan Bonnar vs. Mike Nickels

I'm quite looking forward to seeing Rashad facing quality opposition. I don't think the A Silva match is quite so cut and dry, Marquardt is a horrible match up for him.

d2000s

06-07-2007, 18:04

Main Card Bouts:
-Anderson Silva vs. Nathan Marquardt
-Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira vs. Heath Herring
-Tito Ortiz vs. Rashad Evans (Reckon this could be Titos last fight)
-Sean Sherk vs. Hermes Franca
-Kenny Florian vs. Alvin Robinson

Preliminary Bouts:
-Frankie Edgar vs. Mark Bocek
-Chris Lytle vs. Jason Gilliam
Jorge Gurgel vs. Diego Saraiva
-Stephan Bonnar vs. Mike Nickels

damell

06-07-2007, 18:39

Nathan Marquardt Vs. Anderson Silva
Don't know an awful lot about Marquardt so going for Silva by TKO
Hermes Franca Vs. Sean Sherk
Would love Franca to win but can't see Sherk being knocked out or submitted and think he will steal the decision.
Rashad Evans Vs. Tito Ortiz
Two very similar fighters but I'm going with Ortiz by decision. Can't see either or them stopping the other.
Alvin Robinson Vs. Kenny Florian
Don't know much about Robinson and expect Florian to submit him.
Heath Herring Vs. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
Nog should walk it if Herrings last outting is anything to go by. Probably an early submission.
Mike Nickels Vs. Stephan Bonnar
Not sure on this one. Don't really rate either but going for Nickels.
Diego Saraiva Vs. Jorge Gurgel
Not seen much of either apart from what I saw of Gurgel on TUF. Think he believed his own hype on the show, although expect him to win this by submission.
Drew Fickett Vs. Chris Lytle
Lytle by KO.
Mark Bocek Vs. Frank Edgar
Edgar looked good against Tyson Griffin so reckon he'll do the business here.

Needless to say, I can't bloody wait!

fadeaway53

06-07-2007, 19:47

This is going to be a good one!

-Anderson Silva vs. Nathan Marquardt
-Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira vs. Heath Herring (yeah, seriously)
-Tito Ortiz vs. Rashad Evans (watch and see...)
-Sean Sherk vs. Hermes Franca (wouldn't be surprised if Franca won though)
-Kenny Florian vs. Alvin Robinson

Preliminary Bouts:
-Frankie Edgar vs. Mark Bocek
-Chris Lytle vs. Jason Gilliam
-Jorge Gurgel vs. Diego Saraiva
-Stephan Bonnar vs. Mike Nickels (will be amazed if this isn't shown on the main broadcast)

blazeuk

07-07-2007, 00:20

Been looking forward to this PPV for ages, some great fights been put together.

-Anderson Silva vs. Nathan Marquardt
-Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira vs. Heath Herring
-Tito Ortiz vs. Rashad Evans
-Sean Sherk vs. Hermes Franca
-Kenny Florian vs. Alvin Robinson

Preliminary Bouts:
-Frankie Edgar vs. Mark Bocek
-Chris Lytle vs. Jason Gilliam
-Jorge Gurgel vs. Diego Saraiva
-Stephan Bonnar vs. Mike Nickels

-Stephan Bonnar vs. Mike Nickels (will be amazed if this isn't shown on the main broadcast)

Was thinking the same myself - I had to double check I was reading it right that Bonnar was on the undercard...seems a strange one :shrug:

d2000s

07-07-2007, 00:30

Was thinking the same myself - I had to double check I was reading it right that Bonnar was on the undercard...seems a strange one :shrug:

Well, its a very strong card, but possibly punishment for failing the drug test?:shrug: Still might get on the PPV, but there is a strong chance we could have a few fights go long on this card.

blazeuk

07-07-2007, 10:02

Well, its a very strong card, but possibly punishment for failing the drug test?:shrug: Still might get on the PPV, but there is a strong chance we could have a few fights go long on this card.

Yeah i suppose so, with 2 title fights aswell. I would have thought Bonnar, although failing a drug test, would still pull abit of interest. I'm guessing it'll probably make it at the end in one of the usual replays of a prelim fight.

Can't wait to see this now - not only does the main card look great, the Preliminary Bouts dont look half bad either! (shame we dont get to see them all)

mitch316

07-07-2007, 13:45

-Anderson Silva vs. Nathan Marquardt
-Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira vs. Heath Herring
-Tito Ortiz vs. Rashad Evans
-Sean Sherk vs. Hermes Franca
-Kenny Florian vs. Alvin Robinson

Preliminary Bouts:
-Frankie Edgar vs. Mark Bocek
-Chris Lytle vs. Jason Gilliam
-Jorge Gurgel vs. Diego Saraiva
-Stephan Bonnar vs. Mike Nickels

damell

07-07-2007, 18:58

RE: Bonnar not being on the main card, his last 3 fights:

Loss Forrest Griffin Decision (Unanimous) UFC 62 - Liddell vs Sobral 8/26/2006 3 5:00
Loss Rashad Evans Decision (Majority) UFC - Ultimate Fight Night 5 6/28/2006 3 5:00
Win Keith Jardine Decision (Unaminous) UFC - Ultimate Fight Night 4 4/6/2006 3 5:00

And the win over Jardine was a very suspect decision. Not a record deserving of being on the main card, especially this one.

09-07-2007, 22:42

Well...stacked by name but not by nature. Some great wins but some dull bouts. Crackin victory by Silva, Franklin looked slightly worried afterwards :lol: he faces him next in October.

Good win for Kenny Flo as well, he certainly schooled young Alvin. Big Nog was in a whole heap of trouble....cannot believe Herring didnt jump all over him....two punches on the ground and it would have been stopped.

Sherk was very impressive....yet still... dare i say it ...dull. He was totally dominating and is gonna murder anyone at 155, although he doesnt exactly attract friends with his style.

And then we move onto Ortiz v Rashad...... when we knew it was two wrestlers going at it...it was never gonna be pretty. I called Rashad on points before the fight but he didnt deserve a draw....Tito did most of the work but still looked gassed at the end of the 2nd. Not like him.. When he mentionned a rematch i though OMG...NO. Damn thing looks like Dana has pencilled it in :oh-hum:

Onto the good news. From the press conference ...Fedors comin to town....:thumbs: As said before tho...ill believe it when i see him in the octgon with mitts on.

http://www.sportsline.com/mmaboxing/story/10250484

Note. must be true 666 posts...the work of beelzebub himself

d3m0n

09-07-2007, 23:00

Note. must be true 666 posts...the work of beelzebub himself

You are the devil and must be burned:D

My god how boring was the Sherk fight? Nearly nodded off these wrestling types need to learn how to finish a fight!!!

It certainly didnt live up to the hype....Andersen Sylva and Ken Flo were the fighters of the night.....

fadeaway53

10-07-2007, 07:36

Stacked was very disappointing, I actually thought UFC72 was a better show.

God knows what was going through Herring's head as Big Nog looked only a couple of shots away from being stopped. Yet another disappointing debut for a former Pride heavyweight. The way this is going, Fedor will come in and be tapped out by Cheick Kongo!

Sherk was workmanlike although it was impressive how Franca's knees didn't seem to hurt him. Don't think Florian would fare any better in a rematch though. Dana has announced Sherk vs BJ Penn for November - now that should be a good fight.

Rashad & Tito was entertaining enough with some top quality cheating from Tito :lol: Though a draw was probably a fair result.

Anderson Silva is all kinds of awesome and probably the best champion the UFC has at the moment. Glad they've booked the rematch with Franklin but don't think that Rich can beat him.

fadeaway53

10-07-2007, 19:23

Payroll for UFC73...

Mike Nickels - $5,000
Stephan Bonnar - $16,000 + $16,000 win bonus

Diego Saraiva - $3,000
Jorge Gurgel - $7,000 + $7,000 win bonus

Jason Gilliam - $3,000
Chris Lytle - $10,000 + $10,000 win bonus

Frank Edgar - $5,000 + $5,000 win bonus
Mark Bocek - $3,000

Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira - $100,000 + $100,000 win bonus
Heath Herring - $70,000

Sean Sherk - $14,000 + $14,000 win bonus
Hermes Franca - $14,000

Rashad Evans - $16,000
Tito Ortiz - $210,000

Anderson Silva - $45,000 + $45,000 win bonus
Nathan Marquardt - $24,000

Alvin Robinson - $3,000
Kenny Florian - $8,000 + $8,000 win bonus

TOTAL DISCLOSED PAYROLL: $761,000

Tito, Big Nog & Herring are okay but Rashad & Sherk really need new agents :lol:

d2000s

10-07-2007, 23:28

Contrary to most opinion, I quite liked the event. Thought Tito was lucky enough a draw, he got a 9-9 round by stopping the takedown by cheating, but would have probably lost the round 10-9 had he not, thats the rules tho. Rashad should not have lost as much weight going into the fight, would be scary at MW now I think. An outstanding dominant performance from Sherk, he deserves a lot more respect than people give him - BJ vs Sherk could be great.
Same with "Kenflo", he is not top-level imo, but is a good fighter and seems to be improving all the time. Silva was once again superb, a good win against an underrated fighter. Herring should have pulled off a dramatic upset and is probably banging his head off a wall as we speak.:)

11-07-2007, 00:05

Latest card for London

UFC 75: SEPTEMBER 8, 2007 IN LONDON, ENGLAND

-Quinton Jackson (#2 Light Heavyweight in the World)* vs. Dan Henderson (#4 Light Heavyweight in the World)*
-Mirko Cro Cop (#3 Heavyweight in the World)* vs. Cheick Kongo
-Michael Bisping vs. Matt Hamill
-Houston Alexander vs. Alessio Sakara
-Marcus Davis vs. Paul Taylor
-Jess Liaudin vs. Anthony Johnson
-Gleison Tibau vs. Terry Etim
-Dennis Siver vs. TBA

Getting excited about this already, Dan & Rampage! Bisping, Crocop, Houston v sakara....and then the 3 Guys who did well at UFC Manc... Etim, Liaudin and Taylor... Gonna be a good event....plus my bro lives in canary wharf so its staggering distance home :)

joconnor

11-07-2007, 00:53

An outstanding dominant performance from Sherk, he deserves a lot more respect than people give him - BJ vs Sherk could be great.

My problem with Sherk (as with a lot of wrestlers) is that he is a lay n pray merchant.

He lay on top of Franca for the best part of 25 mins and didn't do a whole lot of damage. As much as I despise Hughes I have to give him credit that, as a wrestler, he knows how to finish a match.

d2000s

12-07-2007, 11:17

My problem with Sherk (as with a lot of wrestlers) is that he is a lay n pray merchant.

He lay on top of Franca for the best part of 25 mins and didn't do a whole lot of damage. As much as I despise Hughes I have to give him credit that, as a wrestler, he knows how to finish a match.

I disagree he is a "lay n pray" merchant, in the fight he was continually working to improve position and wasnt content to just sit in guard. Franca just didnt have an answer.
Its not Sherk's job to be entertaining, its to win a fight and he does that amazingly well. If you dont have an answer to his methods then you deserve to lose.

searla

12-07-2007, 11:21

I disagree he is a "lay n pray" merchant, in the fight he was continually working to improve position and wasnt content to just sit in guard. Franca just didnt have an answer.
Its not Sherk's job to be entertaining, its to win a fight and he does that amazingly well. If you dont have an answer to his methods then you deserve to lose.

Yep, I agree;)

Truth is, Franca did well to hold him off smashing him to bits with the good old ground and pound or a submission - a lesser fighter would have been hammered within the first round. IMO

Saying that though, Sherk did get caught with a knee to the face more than once, so there might be a small chink in the armour yet - having said that, he even seemed to brush off a sweet knee that would have felled a lot of fighters as if it never happened - the man is a machine:thumbs:

damell

12-07-2007, 12:23

While I wouldn't call him a "lay and pray merchant", he didn't attempt to finish the fight against Franca. He just smothered him and delivered short shots to the head. He never attempted to posture up and land the really big shots which could finish a fight. That's my only problem with him.

fadeaway53

13-07-2007, 12:54

Sherk is pretty awesome but MMA seems to be evolving into a sport where the fans don't appreciate the strategy and only want to see knockout and submission attempts. Anything else and the boring chants and boos start. The California and Manchester crowds are evidence of that. Booing the Herring/Nog fight was especially ridiculous.

So if that is what MMA has turned into, Sherk isn't going to be a big draw or earn the big money if he doesn't actively try to end fights.

damell

13-07-2007, 13:47

I didn't boo at Manchester and never would. I hate the boo boys, but believe fighters should still attempt to finish fights.

d2000s

13-07-2007, 14:33

I reckon the idiots that boo should stick to pro-wrestling as they obviously dont understand the sport.

mitch316

14-07-2007, 08:39

heads up for cage rage live on sky tonight

damell

14-07-2007, 08:57

Why are they sticking James Thompson in with some nobody?

mitch316

14-07-2007, 09:02

because cabbage has an ankle injury. they replaced cabbage with kimo and he pulled out so they had to get someone at very short notice. i was suprised they didnt get uber can warpath.

fadeaway53

14-07-2007, 09:27

Card for the Cage Rage show...

Butterbean vs Tengiz Tedoradze
Mario Sperry vs Lee Hasdell
Neil Grove vs James Thompson
Edson Drago vs Gary Turner
Herb Dean vs Dave Legeno
Mark Buchanan vs James McSweeny
Paul Chahoon vs Mark Epstein
Ronnie Mann vs Robbier Olivier
Marios Zaromskis vs Ross Mason
Ross Pointon vs Dean Bray
Joe Mac vs Bad Boy
Michael Johnson vs Damien Riccio
Tom Watson vs Ed Smith

Well, I've heard of 7 of the fighters...

Hope they show the Herb Dean fight on telly - will be interesting to see how good he is in the cage :)

Art Vandelay

14-07-2007, 10:25

For those of you going to UFC 75, you might want to head along to Joe Rogan's stand up show too.

He's performing in London on the 6th and 7th of September. Usually find a lot of UFC fighters at his UK shows too. In London before UFC 70 I was there (he did his show in a little basement bar - really cool) and after he had finished his set I got to meet him, Dana White and Matt Serra. It was pretty cool. Anyway, he's a really funny guy. Well worth checking out if you are there for the show anyway.

Some clips from his dvd:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnng2hYplAg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgbmMaOXXYg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTYEIVZU2Us
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jj45SjIetno

Tickets went on sale today and can be purchased at HERE (http://www.ticketweb.co.uk/user?query=search&category=misc&search=joe+rogan&region=xxx&beginmonth=07&beginday=13&beginyear=2007)

Oh, I also read over on UFCJunkie that Dana White confirmed that the main event would unify both titles :thumbsup:

One other thing - what's the best way to get to the o2 arena from London City airport? Our hotel is there, but I don't really know London at all.

Thanks guys!

d2000s

14-07-2007, 11:27

Card for the Cage Rage show...

Well, I've heard of 7 of the fighters...

Hope they show the Herb Dean fight on telly - will be interesting to see how good he is in the cage :)

They used to put on decent shows, now they just have gimic match after gimic match...its a shame.:(

14-07-2007, 18:06

OMG at Ross Pointon... fighting at 170...he looks in shape for the first time.

http://69.46.29.2:8080/absoluteig/gallery.asp?action=viewimage&categoryid=2501&text=&imageid=35998&box=&shownew=

stallion

14-07-2007, 20:31

One other thing - what's the best way to get to the o2 arena from London City airport? Our hotel is there, but I don't really know London at all.

Thanks guys!

A few stops on the DLR to Canning Town and then 1 stop on the Jubilee Line.

Should take about 15 minutes.

damell

14-07-2007, 21:02

OMG at Ross Pointon... fighting at 170...he looks in shape for the first time.

http://69.46.29.2:8080/absoluteig/gallery.asp?action=viewimage&categoryid=2501&text=&imageid=35998&box=&shownew=

Jesus christ, that's insane. He was well out of his depth at Light Heavyweight to be fair. Still needs to learn how to fight though.

fadeaway53

15-07-2007, 07:36

Why are they sticking James Thompson in with some nobody?

:lol:

Thompson got KTFO by that nobody!

10 seconds :lol:

shez316

15-07-2007, 07:37

check this out, new ufc video game on ps3 and 360, looks awesome:

http://www.411mania.com/MMA/news/57072/New-UFC-Video-Game-Makes-Debut.htm

d2000s

15-07-2007, 16:13

check this out, new ufc video game on ps3 and 360, looks awesome:

http://www.411mania.com/MMA/news/57072/New-UFC-Video-Game-Makes-Debut.htm

Is any of that actual game footage tho? Looks more like the video bits they add to games - I cant imagine they can actually make a good MMA game anyway, think its too hard to recreate realistically.

d2000s

15-07-2007, 16:14

:lol:

Thompson got KTFO by that nobody!

10 seconds :lol:

Watching someone get regularly knocked out the way he does shouldnt be so funny, but it is:lol:

damell

15-07-2007, 18:44

:lol:

Thompson got KTFO by that nobody!

10 seconds :lol:

:(

He's one of my favourite fighters too. Seems like a decent guy out of the ring.

fadeaway53

15-07-2007, 18:52

I've only seen 3 or 4 Thompson fights but he always seems to charge in like a bull at the start and end up taking punches. Maybe he's trying too hard to impress. :shrug:

damell

15-07-2007, 19:19

That's what I like about him, he just goes to fight. It's just he does have quite a bit of talent. He beat Yoshida in PRIDE for a start quite recently.

fadeaway53

15-07-2007, 19:26

Yeah, he looked pretty decent in the last Pride fight against Don Frye where he hit him with approximately 136,726 unanswered punches. He just seems to forget all of his skills when in a cage rage octagon.

shez316

15-07-2007, 19:39

Is any of that actual game footage tho? Looks more like the video bits they add to games - I cant imagine they can actually make a good MMA game anyway, think its too hard to recreate realistically.

The UFC game on the Sega Dreamcast way back was quite good in the day.

d2000s

15-07-2007, 22:23

The UFC game on the Sega Dreamcast way back was quite good in the day.

In MMA a fighter can be on his back sustaining heavy punches for nearly an entire fight and pull a submission or knockout 1 minute from the end to win - just cant see how you can have that, fairly, in a game.

shez316

16-07-2007, 05:57

Again the old UFC game pulled this off quite well. When you were on the ground getting pounded you could block and try and pull submissions. The fighter on top had to counter the attempt. Otherwise he'd have to tap out. Worked quite well.

carpettile

16-07-2007, 07:14

check this out, new ufc video game on ps3 and 360, looks awesome:

http://www.411mania.com/MMA/news/57072/New-UFC-Video-Game-Makes-Debut.htm

Any idea when this is due out???

shez316

16-07-2007, 07:43

Not till 2008 I think.

fadeaway53

19-07-2007, 19:21

Sean Sherk and Hermes Franca have both tested positive for steroids and both been suspended for a year.

Steroids in MMA is getting out of hand now and could easily stop it from overtaking boxing as the biggest combat sport.

It's especially embarrasing that one of the champions has tested positive. On the plus side, i'm pretty sure that BJ Penn will end up as the next lightweight champion....

d2000s

19-07-2007, 22:53

I dont think they were "steroids", rather other performance enhancing drugs - stupid from both, especially since they always test fighters in title fights. Its a great shame it has come to this, getting worse and worse -is there any reason why the UFC couldnt test fighters before the fights themselves to stop these embarrassing situations happening?

fadeaway53

20-07-2007, 07:24

Think the UFC needs to start testing everybody on the card just so everybody knows there is no chance of getting away with it. Kind of explains why Sherk was so strong though.

damell

20-07-2007, 08:33

Jesus christ. I'm shocked at Sherk testing positive. I know he's strong, but watching the All Access show about him I thought he'd be the last person to stick that kinda stuff in his body. Whatever it was.

20-07-2007, 09:43

Its a total mess... Franca came out with some half assed excuse, will be interesting to see what Sherk says. After watching the all access show im amazed....he seemed dedicated and smart. Anyone with wit would have known title fights always get tested.....and in california the penalty is much harsher than in vegas.

White needs to step up to the mark and test all fighters on a card.

Arthur Fowler

20-07-2007, 13:10

:lol:

Thompson got KTFO by that nobody!

10 seconds :lol:

The fight is on as part of a BBC "Newsnight" clip on the BBC website which examines cage fighting (just the usual ill-informed comments except for the Uni lecturer who talks sense).

Clip here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/player/nol/newsid_6900000/newsid_6907600?redirect=6907644.stm&news=1&bbwm=1&nbwm=1&nbram=1&bbram=1

joconnor

20-07-2007, 13:30

Christ, I pay my licence fee for that ****?

I can see their report about cricket:

All these men take to the field to battle, some have bats. They hurl cricket "balls" at each other, but these are no ordinary balls they are like small lumps of concrete. England regularly take on Australia in a match known as "The Ashes". The Ashes consist of series of matches, the winner gains the prize of an urn containing the ashes of cricket itself. The occult and barbaric practice has been taking place since 1882.

Idiots.

searla

20-07-2007, 13:57

Thats was actually upsetting to watch... I'm used to people bad mouthing MMA, but that was truly awful.

The fella had clearly no idea what he was talking about.

13-08-2007, 23:56

Wow...tumbleweeds blowing through this old boy....

Some news of interest about future shows in the UK. Four more planned in the near future...

Posted by UFC Junkie on August 13, 2007 at 12:45 pm ET
UFC president Dana White says the UFC will continue to branch outside the U.S. for future live events, and among targeted locations are Europe, Australia, Japan, South Korea, Mexico and Canada.

Additionally, four more shows in the U.K. are planned.

White made the comments to the trade publication TelevisionWeek.

He also stressed that the Hispanic market, which has long supported boxing (especially in the U.S.), will also be a target of the organization’s expansion efforts. To do so, he expects the UFC to start tapping into South America, as well.

In other news, White also mentioned that he expects a pending deal with HBO to be completed soon (“It will happen.”) and that the deal will allow for live events to broadcast on HBO that will support the UFC’s usual offerings on Spike TV and pay-per-view.

According to the story:

“What we’re doing is going to get guys started on ‘The Ultimate Fighter,’ where they can then progress to a show like ‘UFC Fight Night’ before landing on HBO. HBO would then give them the opportunity for a title shot on PPV,” he said.