View Full Version : Avoid this thieving, lying Ebay idiot
Avoid this seller: militarystoreuk
To cut a long story short, I bought a pair of black combat trousers from this seller, for £11.
He sent the wrong ones. (also via 2nd class post even though the ad stated they would come recorded)
I contacted him, explained the situation, said to send the trousers back and he would send the correct pair.
I did this, via 2nd class post with a Proof of Postage.
Claims he never received the trousers and begins to accuse me of lying and that I hadn't sent the trousers at all, etc. So I sent him a copy of the PoP so he could see his details etc.
A few more emails accusing ME of lying and being hostile etc, prompts me to complain to ebay and open a dispute with Paypal.
Today I receive this lovely email:
"I just wanted to put into writing how shady i believe you are in this matter and believe me i will fight you all the way over this because it is our belief here that you are trying to "con" my business out of a pair of trousers and get a refund, which is something that will not happen whilst my arse faces south mate!
1, you have had what you paid for fair and square and we do not believe the trousers are incorrect just not what you wanted in the end which is why your trying to fox us out of the item and the cash.
2, you say you have sent them back but have no tracking number to prove they were delivered and as the GPO will tell you your so called "proof of posting " means diddly squat my friend as it only proves SOMETHING was posted and i assure you nothing has arrived here so your misguided belief that your proof of posting is your guarantee of success in this case is based on a whole mass of holes my friend not least the following.
3, you need to read the Paypal small print info section which we did right at the beginning of dealing with them which clearly states " in the case of a dispute being raised over a returned item which is disputed , the buyer returning an item MUST HAVE A TRACKING NUMBER FROM THE POSTAL SERVICE TO PROVE THE ITEM HAS BEEN DELIVERED"
sorry chum but no mention of proof of posting which is why i told you that it means squat pal!!
at the end of the day i was more than happy to get the trousers back as i had a real customer who needed your size you said you were returning but the fact is its not here and you cannot prove it is here, ever was here or delivered here because you do not have a tracking number!! and both me and Paypal need this info to act on it!
also i will say it was shady to escalate this to a claim before i had chance to reply after only 14 hours my good man , the reason i have not replied is because we are camped at a hospice awaiting the death of my father thus making it dificult to use the business pc , but i am sure knowing how you have acted that your trousers are far more important to you than my issues arent they as is the charachter of the man!!
happy new year"
:oh-hum:
Suffice to say, I forwarded a copy of this email to ebay with a full complaint
All this over an 11 quid pair of trousers, for Christs sake!
KennyVader
09-01-2007, 19:48
I'd hate to see the long version if that was the short one!
Well, unfortunately he's right, to make Paypal play ball, you need a tracking number for your returned item, it's only 70p or so. But press ahead with the Paypal claim anyway. Don't let the guff about his dying father bother you, it might be true, but unfortunately too many scumsters use lines like that now to pay any attention to them.
At least your Proof Of Posting should allow you to claim off the Post Office, just don't mention to them that it was an ebay transaction, otherwise they send special forms out.
Next time, buy from Primark or Matalan in person, their trousers probably cost less than £11! Ebay is a thieve's paradise I'm afraid.
kingjames
09-01-2007, 19:58
That'll learn you, mate, pal, chum! Alright! Pal!
the best about it is, had the op wanted to con the seller, he could have put a paypal claim in to say he hadn't received the trousers in the first place (even though he had). they would have coughed up without question. probably. especially as the seller didn't use a trackable delivery service.
Don't let the guff about his dying father bother you, it might be true, but unfortunately too many scumsters use lines like that now to pay any attention to them.
Whenever there's a dispute in the Classified Forums here a dead relative card is usually brought into play. :suspect:
abarthman
09-01-2007, 20:13
It's unfortunate that you've got into a dispute with an eBay seller who seems to sell dirty, great big knives!
If I were you, I wouldn't open my front door to anyone dressed in military gear and brandishing a Rambo knife for a wee while! :eek:
philatio
09-01-2007, 20:17
Whenever there's a dispute in the Classified Forums here a dead relative card is usually brought into play
:lol: I was just gonna say, ALWAYS the sign of a dodgy cowboy. Its always either a dead relative or "I've just been in hospital with head cancer"
rustybin
09-01-2007, 20:24
You shouldn't take the mickey - from my experience of non-paying bidders, there is usually a 50/50 chance of their parents dying of cancer - Mind you, while they're on their deathbeds, doesn't stop their moronic offspring buying £100s worth of stuff on ebay they're not going to pay for.
JonNuttNTL
09-01-2007, 22:51
Looking at his feedback where people have left anything other than positive he jumps down their throats....
One guy brought a pair of size 8 boots stating country of origin UK.... Granted they may be made in UK but for the US market... When buyer complained that he had a US size he followed up with you got what you selected.
I would avoid if I saw that! Not worth the hassle.
Jon.
longfellow
10-01-2007, 08:42
Is there any way to just see someone's Negative feedback? Sometimes I get fed up scrolling backwards through the pages of feedback looking for the negs.
rsykes2000
10-01-2007, 08:51
Is there any way to just see someone's Negative feedback? Sometimes I get fed up scrolling backwards through the pages of feedback looking for the negs.
Yep, go to www.toolhaus.org and put the username in. Shows all the negs and neutrals.
neilalford
10-01-2007, 09:07
What was most interesting about his rant was that at one point he says he's received absolutely nothing, then slightly later he says he was glad to get the trousers back. He should at least get his story straight.
Here's the lastest one, sent today, after I emailed him to let him know I'd reported his actions to ebay:
"listen my friend you can send a copy to Tony Blair if you wish but the top and bottom of this which you seem to miss every time wether its an intellectual problem or not i am not sure but the fact is WE HAVE RECIEVED NOTHING MATEY!!!! and you cannot prove otherwise which is the whole problem here or have you forgotten, i have no idea what meds your on but you seem to be reading into my e mails things i have not written??? is there a problem ??
anyway i cannot be bothered with you and your pathetic con any longer, for me to refund you need to either get me a tracking number or the trousers and thats all there is too it mate, and as for E Bay and Paypal, they had a copy of my letter e mailed to the customer services team before i even sent it to you my old son so your idle threats mean so very little to me .
anyway i am off to deal with things that mean something to me.
ps if your not bothered about a few quid pair of trousers then why are you getting so worked up or is it as i believe you just cannot afford them"
Dean[SAS]
10-01-2007, 10:39
Just claim off royal mail with your "useless" CoP. Forget about the loser.
']Just claim off royal mail with your "useless" CoP. Forget about the loser.
Gonna do that anyway, but just don't like the fact this idiot may get away with my money. It's a principle issue now.
Another one, after I told him I as posting his emails on a public forum:
"all i am digging is a hole for a con man, you cannot supply me a tracking number which is all i have ever asked for or the trousers being returned mate, as for forums they are chip paper my friend and only the no mate geeks sit on them as they have nothing better to do and if these geeks do not wish to buy from me then i am still very happy pal!!
i can provide a tracking number and have already done so to paypal ( read the dispute will you!!) but you cannot
here endeth the lesson"
"wether its an intellectual problem or not i am not sure "
:lol:
technically he should refund the cost of sending the item back as its his fault, i bet if you had used recorded he would question why you didnt use 2nd class my friend, pal, im not paying £2, chum. The way he types is also almost as bad as txt spk.
KennyVader
10-01-2007, 11:58
Just ask him if your big friends with their pieces of scaffolding pole found his address OK, and if they didn't yet, you're sure they'll manage to find it one evening this week.
This guy seems to like me.. well, he emails me enough at the moment, so he must do!
His latest rant and my response:
LISTEN YOU IDIOT
HAVING PROOF OF POSTAGE SLIP SHOWS NOTHING MORE THAN YOU POSTED SOMETHING TO SOMEWHERE, BUT CAN YOU TELL ME WHEN IT WAS DELIVERED??
NO YOU CANNOT BECAUSE HAVING PROOF OF POSTAGE DOES NOT SHOW ANY THING WAS DELIVERED AND DOES NOT PROVE ANYTHING WAS DELIVERED MATE
WHAT IS IT YOU DONT GET ABOUT THIS.
YOU NEED A TRACKING NUMBER TO MAKE A CLAIM AND PAYPAL WILL INFORM YOU OF THIS MATE!!! THATS WHY YOU SHOULD HAVE POSTED IT BY RECORDED DELIVERY THEN THIS ISSUE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE!!
YOU CANNOT PROVIDE A TRACKING NUMBER TO PAYPAL OR E BAY , YET I HAVE ALREADY SO WHAT DOES THAT STATE,
ANYWAY I CANT BE BOTHERED WITH YOU ANY FURTHER LET PAYPAL SORT IT OUT
My reply:
It proves I posted it. Just cos you say you didn't receive doesn't make it so does it?
Just cos you say you didn't receive it could make YOU the con artist. You're very quick to point the finger and throw accusations my way aren't you? It works both ways mate. I have proof I sent it but you say you didn't receive it. Who would a court believe?
Now, you've already said you wouldn't contact me any further and would let ebay and paypal sort it out.. so if this is the case then why do you keep sending me emails (about 10 today alone)?
I'm no longer interested in what you have to say, apart from to post your rantings onto a public forum so we can all laugh at your cleverly constructed witicisms.
For your interest, I am now in discussion with Ebay to further my complaints over the nature of your abusive emails. Hopefully they will be taking action against you in the near future. This will maybe prove who the idiot is.
Have a good day and do NOT email me further. Please correspond with Ebay and Paypal.
How about saying that the trousers you originally received were not from him, as your mother/sister/brother/father (delete as appropriate) had sent some which you incorrectly assumed were from the seller. Ask him for the tracking number of the trousers he sent as you have not received them ;)
Keiron99
10-01-2007, 15:00
I had a similar issue with an ebayer, who totally ripped me off. I let it get under my skin really badly, bombarding him with emails and getting involved in slanging matches. He was obviously a total con artist. Best thing really is to just leave it be or it will get out of all proportion. As you say yourself "All this over an 11 quid pair of trousers, for Christs sake!"
WildWayz
10-01-2007, 16:18
ok - hate to play Devils Advocate but he does have a point.
Any item of value needs to be sent Recorded Delivery so you can have a proof of delivery. Cert of Postage should be abolished as it is pretty useless.
As he said, it is your duty to ensure it is delivered successfully, and he claims he hasnt received it therefore it is down to you to prove he has. Which you can't.
It would have to be a matter you take up with Royal Mail in this instance :/
Andrew70
10-01-2007, 16:55
Just write a review/guide on ebay detailing factually and calmly your troubles with the seller and mention it in your feedback. I don't think ebay allows hyperlinks but just saying it's there will encourage the curious to have look.
I did similar with a seller who sent me fake goods and accused me of trying to cheat him.
He's now unregistered and I like to think it also has something to do with the emails I sent to Sandisk and Christian Dior whos products he was passing off :)
beeleebme
10-01-2007, 20:18
You do have to look at both sides here and I am guessing that maybe he has had this sort of thing happen to him before. Someone claims to send something back but never does and wants a refund. Irrespective of that though he has handled himself VERY poorly and if had corresponded with Floyd in any type of civil manner probably have been able to determine that it was a matter of the trousers getting lost in the mail. Your still then back to the situation whereby he is in the right in not having to provide a refund though.
The main issue for me here, irrispective of the outcome, is that I believe this guy is a liar and HAS received the trousers I sent back to him. He has lied from day one, claiming to have sent the original pair to me via Recorded Delivery, which he didn't do.. he even said he had the receipt, which I asked to see evidence of, but he hasn't supplied it. He even claims to have presented the Recorded receipt to Paypal as some kind of evidence, but for what I don't know.. the issue wasn't if I'd received the original pair, so why would Paypal want to see HIS Recorded receipt.
I wanted to see this receipt, as I could prove I had sent his trousers back to him with my proof of postage and as I knew the orignal pair never came Recorded, I wanted to show him as a liar from day one.
He has also been very insistant in previous emails by repeating the fact that I "cannot prove that he has received the trousers back". Quite right, I can't.. but to show him as a liar from day one would give a lot more valididity to what I already suspect, tha this guy is a lying thief.
The £11 loss doesn't matter to me at all.. it's now a principle issue with me. I'm not letting this idiot get away with my money and leaving me with nothing to show for it.
Although, saying that, I'll most likely go down the claim from Royal Mail for the "lost" package.. that should net me more than £11 anyway.
I'm also pressing to get his account closed on Ebay, but that's a seperate issue. I'm currently in discussion with Ebay over this and have sent all the necessary details.
I'll also send the abusive emails to his IP to try and get his email account closed as well. That'll hopefully annoy him and give me some slight vindictive satisfaction.
andybhoy
10-01-2007, 21:24
the reason i have not replied is because we are camped at a hospice awaiting the death of my father thus making it dificult to use the business pc ,
What a lying ****. His dad would be rolling in his grave, if he wasn't in the nag's head drinking vodkas and trying to pull the scally barmaids.
I hate anyone who tries that one.
andybhoy
10-01-2007, 21:27
anyway i am off to deal with things that mean something to me.
Like watching his dying gran's best firiend's mum's girlfriend. :cuckoo:
andybhoy
10-01-2007, 21:29
G and only the no mate geeks sit on them as they have nothing better to do
Yeah, alright, he got me there. *******. :lol:
Dont be too quick to slag the bloke off, what if hes been ripped off a fair few times before. You should have sent it recorded delivery simple as that.
Take it up with the post office. He may well be telling the truth here, and the parcel is getting kicked around on some depot floor somewhere.
andybhoy
10-01-2007, 21:35
Dont be too quick to slag the bloke off, what if hes been ripped off a fair few times before. You should have sent it recorded delivery simple as that.
Take it up with the post office. He may well be telling the truth here, and the parcel is getting kicked around on some depot floor somewhere.
He probably is telling the truth about the item not turning up - but his attitude is inexcusable. It would have been easy to sort out amicably, except the bloke didn't want to.
bradtyke
10-01-2007, 22:06
14 hours doesn't seem long to let the bloke sort it out really (devils advocate mode)
gozomark
10-01-2007, 22:15
wouldn't it be funny if the trousers turned up tomorrow ! what would his next email say ....
If you send something with a COP do you get compensation from the RM if the receiver says he didn't receive it??
Floyd, if you think he has received the trousers (which I think its quite likely) email him and say could you please send me a signed letter saying you never received the package as you need it for your investigation with the Royal mail/police. Probably won't do much but might scare him a bit :D
KennyVader
10-01-2007, 23:41
If you send something with a COP do you get compensation from the RM if the receiver says he didn't receive it??
Floyd, if you think he has received the trousers (which I think its quite likely) email him and say could you please send me a signed letter saying you never received the package as you need it for your investigation with the Royal mail/police. Probably won't do much but might scare him a bit :D
He should get a refund from Royal Mail but needs to be really careful; if he mentions that it was an ebay purchase, then they seem to adopt a different claim procedure which involves them sending a form to the intended recipient, saying "did you receive this item, yes / no". The kicker is that if the recipient *doesn't bother to return the form* to the Royal Mail within about a week, they deny the refund altogether. I believe they have had too many scamming ******** making false claims about stuff they've supposedly sent, but haven't. So, don't mention ebay, just say "I posted some trousers to my friend".
14 hours doesn't seem long to let the bloke sort it out really (devils advocate mode)
I agree, but that's because I haven't posted his original emails after I asked if he had yet to receive the trousers back and it was immediately evident that he had absolutely no intention of being reasonable about the whole situation.
The 14 hour period was after more than a week of sending the trousers back then me contacting to enquire. Once he showed no intention of playing ball, I contacted Ebay and then Paypal to let them sort it out.
SIMON ADEBISI
11-01-2007, 00:05
Not taking sides or anything but im pretty sure i bought from this buyer before and it all went well.
Highlander
11-01-2007, 00:12
So how has he got a tracking number (which he has already supplied to paypal) if he posted it 2nd class?
So how has he got a tracking number (which he has already supplied to paypal) if he posted it 2nd class?
My point exactly.. he hasn't. He lied. The package did not arrive via Recorded delivery.
andybhoy
11-01-2007, 08:21
Not taking sides or anything but im pretty sure i bought from this buyer before and it all went well.
It's what a seller is like when things go wrong that count. Anyone can build up good feedback when things go right.
Im not sure if this has already been said...
But why don't you initiate a non-delivery process through ebay/paypal?
As HE rightly states they need a proper tracking number as proof...and although he said he would send recorded.....he sent 2nd class...which means he can't prove that he sent them in the first place ;)
Im not sure if this has already been said...
But why don't you initiate a non-delivery process through ebay/paypal?
As HE rightly states they need a proper tracking number as proof...and although he said he would send recorded.....he sent 2nd class...which means he can't prove that he sent them in the first place ;)
The main problem with this is I've already told ebay/paypal that I've had the trousers.. plus I don't want to end up lying, like the seller is.
Actually not wanting to put spanner in works.... but if I purchase an item off ebay and that item does not arrive I expect the seller to use his proof of posting to claim back the money from Royal Mail and refund me.
If the item arrives and it is wrong for whatever reason then i have to send back the item. If that item goes missing in post then I would expect that I would have to go to Royal Mail and claim back the money for the item... unless of course I used recorded delivery and the item was signed for ...
basically the sender of any item is responsible for claiming for it... what are you expecting him to do? Give you a refund for an item he didn't receive? if it went missing then it is your responsibility as the person who posted it to get the compensation off the Royal Mail.
Mind you I can see why you are upset.. his attitude is very very bad...
As for Proof of Posting... it doesnt prove you posted "something to somewhere" it proves you posted Something to somewhere specific... you have to put postcode of POP.
Fawlty - I agree totally mate and I am now claiming via the post office.
The main issue here is I know this guy is lying and I know he has received the trousers back. If you saw ALL the emails you may well come to that same conclusion.
I contacted him last night to ask if he would send me a signed statement to say he had NOT received the trousers. I was going to send this along with my claim form to the Post Office. Suffice to say, within his ever more hostile and abusive response, he has refused to do this. So make your own conclusions about this idiot.
As doofus keeps insisiting on asking to see MY tracking number.. a number that I have told him dozens of times I do NOT have, I have requested this information via email:
"If we're now back to discussing tracking numbers, where's your original tracking number that you supposedly had from the non recorded delivery package item you sent me?
I would love to see this. I've requested to see it several times now, but you never seem able to provide it.
So why are you so reluctant to send me a 16 digit number via email? It would prove to me and to my family that you were telling the truth. Surely you'd want everyone to know you were telling the truth from day one wouldn't you? And this is so easily proven one way or another.
I've told you many, many times now that I do not have a tracking number as I did not return your parcel via the recorded method.. an action I am now beginning to regret, but that's my problem. Other than that I have done everything in my power to PROVE to you that I have returned you trousers as agreed. I even sent you a scan of the postage receipt. I can do no more than that. I cannot make any stories up about fictitious tracking numbers just to appease you, as that would be lying. You've seen every bit of evidence I have.
So as I've tried to be upfront with you, please let me see the tracking number you claim to have. It's a simple request. You said you've provided Paypal with it (but quite why I do not know as the issue wasn't if I'd received the trousers in the first place so for the life of me I would see no reason why they would request postage evidence from you), so I too would like to see this number."
I will post his response when I get it.
I see my request as resonable and if I was in his position and HAD a tracking number, would be all to keen to provide it.
I guarantee a hostile response!
KennyVader
11-01-2007, 10:35
Surprised you're still wasting time emailing him or replying to his emails, I thought you told him not to email you any more and to communicate through ebay/paypal. That's what you should do, you're not going to get any money from him, so no point wasting further time on him.
Or, something I learnt a work when someone sends ranty emails, just reply with the two words "ok, thanks". That really annoys some people, because they then know you certainly got their rant that they spent time to write (even if only a few minutes) but you're just dismissing it in seconds, and are not rising to it or being bothered by it. Some people get driven insane by such a simple and dismissive response from you.
to lighten the mood the funniest seller I ever dealt with was obviously having a bad day../.
The item said first class and you had to pay extra for insurance (the item only cost 15 quid or so)
I won and paid up standard postage but put a message saying
"Even though I havent paid insurance, i dont need to as the item is for less than 30 quid... if you just obtain a proof of posting when you go to post office then yuo can claim if the item goes missing... So please get a POP when you go to post office"
I know some of the more rabid ebayers will think I was cheeky.. but no I am sick of ripoff merchants insisting on you paying extra for insurance when the "insurance" you require for an item less than 30 quid is included in the price of the stamps anyway!
Anyway up.. the item arrived perfectly fine no problem.. and what did I find in the jiffy bag along with my item? Yep... the proof of posting!!! he had got the POP at the post office when he weighed the package.. then popped it in the jiffy and sealed it and posted it.
How he thought either of us was going to claim if the item went missing I will never know :)
The response from him with regards to my previous post, asking him to supply me with the original Recorded Tracking number that he claims to have was:
"zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"
Not quite the response I expected but it at least proves he's a liar.
Quite tempted now to contact the police as I'm convinced he is lying about receiving the trousers back. This would be seen as theft by deception and as I have emails from him from day one showing he lied from the beginning would put his position of validity into extreme disrepute!
I know some of you will say "leave it" etc, but to be quite honest, I'm rather enjoying myself. And the more I can annoy this prick the better.
Bapapapa
11-01-2007, 18:18
You're gonna contact the police? :lol:
Sounds like hes annoying you. :suspect:
You're gonna contact the police? :lol:
I agree they may not do a lot, but I'll gain some satisfaction out of it.
A thief is a thief in my book, whatever else they pretend to be.
Sounds like hes annoying you. :suspect:
Not in the least, mate
I enjoy his emails and the fact he gets irate.
The fact that I feel he's a lying thieving scum bag doesn't annoy me.. if anything I feel very sad for this kind of loser.
To some, an issue over £11 worth of trousers, wouldn't seem worth bothering with. But it's not the value here, it's the principle.
Would someone be more inclined to act if it was £1100? Yes they would, but the principle is exactly the same.
Monetary value shouldn't need to be an issue of criminal behaviour. The act itself should be judged.
dvds2000
12-01-2007, 01:00
I agree they may not do a lot
Substitute that with 'they won't do a thing' as the police are a complete waste of time with this type of thing, regardless if it is £11 or £1100.
:suspect: to lighten the mood the funniest seller I ever dealt with was obviously having a bad day../.
The item said first class and you had to pay extra for insurance (the item only cost 15 quid or so)
This really annoys me. When I sell on ebay, I take responsibility for the item to arrive. As you say, I always get POP.
If an item I bought didn't arrive, I'd just claim off Paypal.
The problem is, the whole system is flawed. Surely there's nothing to stop the OP saying that Royal Mail had returned the package to him because they could not read the delivery address. He could then send an empty package by recorded delivery, and then provide the tracking number to Paypal. I think I saw it on Watchdog!
I'm sure you're all bored with this now, but I felt compelled to forward this latest email from my new friend. I had to laugh!!
my inbox has now been set to bin instantly any e mails from you ]
you are a con man, a liar and much worse but i will not insult you further as nature beat me to it.
i will also add that i find your half arsed attampt to fox me out of money is admirable but unwise and although you are yet another of those e mail heros that are brave from a long way away i have not finished here my good friend.
also i will say before i sign off for the very last time that we here run a multi branch company which turned over nearly £188000.00 net last year and are really not bothered about you or your inability to afford such small cost items but within this company we have chaps whom do many jobs for us whom asure me you have had your trousers, and unlike you these chaps are every one ex military because that is all we employ, lads who have honour and character and whom have served this country through one area of the MOD or another so your silly game means as much to us as Norman the Lurpak butter man should he melt!! you on the oother hand personally i think are a total ***T with no honour and a theiving manner whom i should very much like to see fall very hard but then again as i said you are such a miniscule issue in our business although i will add this soap opera of e mails , plots and counter plots has become so legendary and such a bag of laughs here in the factory that the lads cant wait to see what the next installment from you is going to be, honest your like a hard on in the morning my friend, your there at the crack of dawn every day, annoying but useless apart from taking a **** with!! although with more laughs.
so alas dear friend i bid you farewell with a sad heart that no more can we jibe with you or wave our private parts in your general direction but you see we already have a holy grail you silly English king!!
BUT!!! heres a thought my friend, we may have a job for a man just such as you !!!! were going to buy a Pirate ship and sail the 7 seas and we are in need of a cabin boy but only if you will change you name to jolly Jack Tar but the perks of the job are that when my team are on holiday you can be the relief manager because i bet your a good relief manager (think about it)
Utrinique Paratus Mukka
puddleduck
13-01-2007, 12:00
LOL! "honest your like a hard on in the morning my friend"
Fantastic - I think you've more than your money's worth in entertainment from this guy.
When he called you a four letter work ending in T, did it start with a C, an S or a T??! :)
KennyVader
13-01-2007, 13:14
Fantastic - I think you've more than your money's worth in entertainment from this guy.
Indeed, I am tempted to buy some £3.99 piece of tat from the guy and see if I can get him to entertain me so well
nmayling
13-01-2007, 14:05
I we here run a multi branch company which turned over nearly £188000.00 net last year
Which is into VAT then and he appears to be registered as a private seller. A call the Vat man maybe ?
Which is into VAT then and he appears to be registered as a private seller. A call the Vat man maybe ?
Exactly what I was thinking, a business with turnover greater than £61,000 should be registered for VAT. If he isn't, that phone call could land him with a bill for a lot more than £11.
we should each set up a bogus ebay account and bid on a load of his stuff!!
no, not really, that would be cruel! ;)
dvds2000
13-01-2007, 17:05
no we should all buy some £3.99 tat from him, pay for recorded then when he sends 2nd class complain it hasn't arrived, ask for the tracking number then chargeback through paypal :)
bowlhead2000
14-01-2007, 13:29
no we should all buy some £3.99 tat from him, pay for recorded then when he sends 2nd class complain it hasn't arrived, ask for the tracking number then chargeback through paypal :)
I wondered about buying some cheap crap from him and moaning about it for a laugh but at the end of the day he has 300+ successful sales and only a couple of complaints.
His comments on his feedback and his emails to the OP certainly make him sound like a ***, but if I think a shopkeeper in my high street is pikey scum, I just don't go in his shop, rather than going in and trying to nick something from him just because a fellow board-member needs revenge!
u get some dont ya...
I brought some jeans from eBay, which were fake.
His response to my neg feedback was leaving me neg feedback that I was naive (spelt incorrectly), I hadn’t paid, hate Canadians and that id threatened his mum
...saw that he’d changed his id's few times and had done same sort of thing to others
Floyd
If I was this seller i would be mighty hacked off with you, he has 307 sales - only 2 Neg in 12 mths - No ID change. It could just be an issue with you and your manner - but to publicly (ish) post the e-mails he has sent you plus his ID. For all we know you could be flaming him just to get such a response.
Now others are posting comment regarding other ebayers which could be taken to mean him - even your title is immature and OTT.
I do not give my opinion very often - but you need to grow up and get a perspective on this.
dvds2000
14-01-2007, 18:14
I was joking with my post above, in case anyone does it!
I agree with JOV actually
Asking for advice on something is one thing, this threads another.
I could start hundreds of threads about people who have/have tried to rip me off (like the one last night who started a paypal dispute as 'the software doesn't work', 3 hours after he paid for it, and before I had even sent it to him!) , but I don't.
Floyd
If I was this seller i would be mighty hacked off with you, he has 307 sales - only 2 Neg in 12 mths - No ID change. It could just be an issue with you and your manner - but to publicly (ish) post the e-mails he has sent you plus his ID. For all we know you could be flaming him just to get such a response.
Now others are posting comment regarding other ebayers which could be taken to mean him - even your title is immature and OTT.
I do not give my opinion very often - but you need to grow up and get a perspective on this.
Thanks for your (unwanted) comments, but you know nothing of the situation, so don't try to analyse what you don't know/understand.
I have better things to do with my time than to randomly "flame" someone for no reason. I have no vendetta with this trader, other than the situation I'm in now.
I really don't give a stuff what his feedback rating is (in fact I bought from him BASED on his feedback, but it just goes to show, don't judge a book by it's cover).. all I know is I have had dealings with him and I am not happy about it and I felt compelled to tell others on here about it.. it is an open forum after all.
I have posted his emails as I receive them, to show what kinda person I'm dealing with. His responses, are both unprofessional and hostile, especially from someone supposedly running a legitimate business.
My only "crime" in all this is to have purchased a pair of crappy trousers that were the wrong ones.. I returned them and all I got was abuse from the start, how I was a liar, a con man and I could have sent anything, I have no proof etc etc etc.
I'd be happy to send you the mails I've sent to him so you can decide for yourself who is "immature and OTT".
I'm quite pleased others are posting about other ebay sellers.. perhaps it will help oust the rotten amongst the decent. And that's a bad thing how?
bradtyke
14-01-2007, 18:36
Thanks for your (unwanted) comments, but you know nothing of the situation, so don't try to analyse what you don't know/understand.
I have better things to do with my time than to randomly "flame" someone for no reason. I have no vendetta with this trader, other than the situation I'm in now.
I really don't give a stuff what his feedback rating is (in fact I bought from him BASED on his feedback, but it just goes to show, don't judge a book by it's cover).. all I know is I have had dealings with him and I am not happy about it and I felt compelled to tell others on here about it.. it is an open forum after all.
I have posted his emails as I receive them, to show what kinda person I'm dealing with. His responses, are both unprofessional and hostile, especially from someone supposedly running a legitimate business.
My only "crime" in all this is to have purchased a pair of crappy trousers that were the wrong ones.. I returned them and all I got was abuse from the start, how I was a liar, a con man and I could have sent anything, I have no proof etc etc etc.
I'd be happy to send you the mails I've sent to him so you can decide for yourself who is "immature and OTT".
I'm quite pleased others are posting about other ebay sellers.. perhaps it will help oust the rotten amongst the decent. And that's a bad thing how?
Well if that illustrates the kind of attitude you have taken with the seller than no wonder he has sent the emails he supposedly has.
And as for "unwanted comments", then don't wash your linen in public then :cuckoo:
In addition to the above, as this thread has seemingly gone a little off the topic, I've not actually bothered posting the last 5 emails or so that I've received from my new buddy.. including the one where he has threated to "hand deliver" my trousers (with many connotations, making it clear exactly what he means by "hand deliver".
I also admit to have started to wind this fool up.. not by being abusive, but just to annoy him to garner a response from him.
Either way, his responses are more akin to a disturbed individual, rather than an owner of a legitimate clothing business!
I'm perfectly happy for the mods to close this thread if they feel it's gone to far or moved away from it's original purpose.
Either way, I will post the outcome of all this once it's concluded.. if it's concluded.
Bapapapa
14-01-2007, 18:52
I could start hundreds of threads about people who have/have tried to rip me off (like the one last night who started a paypal dispute as 'the software doesn't work', 3 hours after he paid for it, and before I had even sent it to him!) , but I don't. :nuts: :lol:
I'm perfectly happy for the mods to close this thread if they feel it's gone to far or moved away from it's original purpose.
I don't see any need to close this so I have reinstated your original thread title.
abarthman
14-01-2007, 18:54
It's unfortunate that you've got into a dispute with an eBay seller who seems to sell dirty, great big knives!
If I were you, I wouldn't open my front door to anyone dressed in military gear and brandishing a Rambo knife for a wee while! :eek:... he has threated to "hand deliver" my trousers (with many connotations, making it clear exactly what he means by "hand deliver".Told ya! :eek:
omaragha
14-01-2007, 23:27
The seller sounds disturbed so I wouldn't continue winding him up as it may come to bite you in the ass !
Also take this as a lesson, never ever send anything related to Ebay without tracking numbers or the requirement for the package to be signed for upon delivery.
It cost me about £100 to learn this !
For £11 close it and move on mate. There are other thing to worry about !
d2cracker
07-02-2007, 07:42
I do not give my opinion very often - but you need to grow up and get a perspective on this.
You must just give it 2190 times :D , I think floyd should keep this up. Floyd let us know what the response from Ebay/Paypal so far from your dispute console.
Keep it up getting entrtaining now. Report him to the taxman lol
Like floyd says what is to stop this guy ripping people off? If he done it once then that is enough.
if you do everyone a favour and shut the hell up!
Errr, he's shut the hell up since 14th January! :cuckoo:
]Ah, another mature adult joins the forums. Welcome. Ducky.
Errr, he's shut the hell up since 14th January! :cuckoo:
Err, you're gay.
Please send £11 Paypal to floydmccrory at yahoo dot co dot uk. Thanks :thumbs:
d2cracker
07-02-2007, 11:38
I MUST BE GAY!!!!!
FEMAX, think you have issues or are do you know the guy in question who has issues with floyd. If you dont like what Floyd has put. Why comment? Forgot its that important for you to make your self heard. :brickwall.
Making comments like you have will not get floyd banned from ebay other than getting yourself banned from this forum. Clever lad..
Why would Floyd get banned from ebay? Will i get banned for talking about this in the pub tonight? :thinking:
Sorry i forgot this is an Ebay discussion forum and are we discussing something correct.
So :wave: from me
I reckon femax knows the ebay seller as this has been sent to him.
As a result I got my usual barrage of abusive and threatening emails.. mainly about his story of his dead father being true etc and how dare I take the p out of his family (which I incidently didn't do, just copied his email onto here for all to see. I think others took the "dead father, yeah right, heard that before" approach).
But that doesn't seems to matter to doofus who's hostility remains, who's threats remain and who is apparently seeking a solicitors advice as to what can be done about the posts on this forum! Oh and I need to watch myself etc, blahdy blah.
Oh and he's watching us on here!
Scarey darey.
I will post his latest emails if anyone's still even in the slightest bit interested?
By the way, for the record, Paypal did squat regarding the claim as it apparently fell into the wrong catagory and as a result I wasn't allowed to re-open a claim on a case that's already been "dealt" with.
Ebay seem to be completely happy and wash their hands of any involvment of crooks operating on their site. But that's not uncommon knowledge.
I just ended up claiming through the post office, perhaps like I should have done in the first place, so I've been refunded with postage compensation and to be perfectly honest no longer care about an £11 pair of trousers.
I reckon femax knows the ebay seller as this has been sent to him.
As a result I got my usual barrage of abusive and threatening emails.. mainly about his story of his dead father being true etc and how dare I take the p out of his family (which I incidently didn't do, just copied his email onto here for all to see. I think others took the "dead father, yeah right, heard that before" approach).
But that doesn't seems to matter to doofus who's hostility remains, who's threats remain and who is apparently seeking a solicitors advice as to what can be done about the posts on this forum! Oh and I need to watch myself etc, blahdy blah.
Oh and he's watching us on here!
Scarey darey.
I will post his latest emails if anyone's still even in the slightest bit interested?
You should drop a note to the Admins as any talk of solicitors really needs to be brought to their attention
For those who care:
Email 1 received this morning:
Item: BLACK TACTICAL COMBAT TROUSERS - AVAILABLE IN ALL SIZES (190062629926)
This message was sent after the listing closed.
militarystoreuk is the seller.
well hello again my good friend how are you!!
just been reading the forum and now you made it personal matey!! we buried my family father and here you are taking the **** out of it!! mmmmmmmm should not have done that because wether you are or are not ignorant you should not mess with a greiving family, oh no not ever you little ******
as for the forum i have just left my solicitor and good friend with this who is looking into this for me to see where we can go with this and i have reported this to e bay as well to see what they think pal, oh and by the way whilst your posting the ***** to your geeky mates on the forum you forgot to note to them THAT YOU LOST THE ISSUE WITH PAYPAL MATE!! THEY THREW IT OUT DIDNT THEY BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT IT WAS TOSS AS WELL!! YOU STARTED A ISSUE WITH ME TRYING TO CON ME AND YOU LOST!!!
so for now i shall let you go back to your mega drive collection pal and geek forum. im watching
Email 2, after explaining it's a public forum and only facts have been presented as supplied by myself and his own emails:
In a message dated 07/02/2007 12:17:57 GMT Standard Time,
I will not insult you more as nature beat me to it, also you need to read what you have written as it is deemed as liabelous toady!!
and at the end of the day you got nothing eccept the trousers you didnt send back!!
as for the family bit you have indeed lit a fuse pal there is no mistaking that as i or my brothers will not accpet you even discussing the death of our father in the manner that you have and took the **** out of him and then tried to make out that we would use such things as a cover well mate your a scum bag in my mind mate and should be dealt with accordingly.
but to think we would use the death of our dad for your means is the fact you have now gone too far as far as the guys are concerned!
you go back to your little pals on the forum and post this one too please and make sure that you tell them you lost the issue with paypal too mate as they though you were scum too
On the advice of GregB, an email has been forwarded to the Mods for their attention
gozomark
07-02-2007, 13:03
yes please ! (on the posting of his emails)
springer
07-02-2007, 13:03
Oooh, now it's personal!!!! :mad: 'Geeks' ??!?!!?!??!?!
How very dare he?????
:dork:
He'd never last 2 minutes on the forum with spelling and grammar like that!
gozomark
07-02-2007, 13:07
Oooh, now it's personal!!!! :mad: 'Geeks' ??!?!!?!??!?!
How very dare he?????
:dork:
beware of geeks bearing gifts (particularly if they are black tactical combat trousers)
Jevarell
07-02-2007, 13:12
Doh!
Must use refresh!
I want to know how he knew I collected Megadrive games!
Am I THAT obvious???
Perhaps I AM a geek? Oh hang on, that may be slanderous. Right, where's that solicitors number?
Yeah, go on, post em!
Could do with a laugh.
See a few posts above you mate :thumbs:
I want to know how he knew I collected Megadrive games!
Am I THAT obvious???
Perhaps I AM a geek? Oh hang on, that may be slanderous. Right, where's that solicitors number?
From your ebay history?
hookbeak
07-02-2007, 13:16
Do you think femax is the same person as the thieving ebay halfwit ?
Message to the ebay halfwit: i don't give a **** if your dads dead. Are you going to "light some fuses" to me too ? I may not sleep due to fear.
From your ebay history?
Oh yeah, duh! :brickwall
d2cracker
07-02-2007, 13:22
Floyd Don't worry about it, I would imagine that you do have sympathy for the guy if what has been said. No one would like that happen to them.
At the end of the day no one can do anything regarding this DISCUSSION group. Have we all of a sudden had our freedom of speech taken from us.
Also if someone wants to take this further surely his best mate solicitor would say why did you say "mate your a scum bag in my mind mate and should be dealt with accordingly." Is he intending he is going to take the law into his own hands. :nono:
Yes you made a mistake not getting a recorded delivery, Did you pay for recorded from him? If so why has he not refunded the postage cost saying he sent it 2nd class or the difference.
Im sure there is some consumer law in paying for something that is not as discribed. Even Paypal has a masive section on this.
Have you tried calling Paypal on the phone? You should get more help that way. Oh and you can reopen a closed case. My dad had one reopened after phoning them something similar to this.
Good luck
d2cracker - yes, I did pay for Recorded.. it was stated in the original sale.
At the end of the day all I asked him to do was supply me with the Recorded receipt he claimed to have. He couldn't do this, despite numerous requests and despite him telling me he had it in an email.
I supplied him with my proof of postage to show I'd sent the trousers back. See his previous emails as to how he dealt with this.
So the guy lied. He's a liar. And a thief. End of.
I'm not going to reopen this with Paypal as I can't be bothered and Ebay don't give a stuff anyway.
I've had my refund from the Post Office so I'm not out of pocket.
Case closed as far as I'm concerned mate.
alsemail
07-02-2007, 14:23
Did you pay for recorded from him? If so why has he not refunded the postage cost saying he sent it 2nd class or the difference.
Quite a lot of regular ebayers do this, my brother runs an ebay business and charges for special delivery as virtually everything he sells is around the £100 mark. However he only sends items via recorded delivery and keeps the difference.
He does this because (as I thought he was ripping folk off also)
He is self insuring, anything goes missing HE refunds or replaces. He sells 3-400 items p/m and saves £3/4 for each one he sends. Thereby he saves over £1000 p/m. The mail lose 1 or 2 items p/m and he covers the cost of that. Therefore he is over £800 better off. The customer isn't being ripped off as they don't lose out.
Now this guy is an idiot and is obviously NOT self insuring, just being a ****
KennyVader
07-02-2007, 14:31
Thread of the month.
Quite a lot of regular ebayers do this, my brother runs an ebay business and charges for special delivery as virtually everything he sells is around the £100 mark. However he only sends items via recorded delivery and keeps the difference.
Does he state "special delivery" in the description?
Special delivery means guaranteed by noon next day. Recorded delivery doesn't.
Andrew70
07-02-2007, 14:50
He is self insuring, anything goes missing HE refunds or replaces. He sells 3-400 items p/m and saves £3/4 for each one he sends. Thereby he saves over £1000 p/m. The mail lose 1 or 2 items p/m and he covers the cost of that. Therefore he is over £800 better off. The customer isn't being ripped off as they don't lose out.
Eh?
If I pay for special delivery I expect it to be provided. Your brother is quids in each month not because he's saving money - he isn't saving money because it's not costing him anything - he's pocketing extra money solicited under the false promise to provide a particular delivery service that he subsequently doesn't use.
If he wants to charge a high standard postage with a personal promise of covering any loses that's fair enough - it's my choice to bit on his auction under those terms.
If it happened to me I'd go after a refund.
Eh?
If I pay for special delivery I expect it to be provided. Your brother is quids in each month not because he's saving money - he isn't saving money because it's not costing him anything - he's pocketing extra money solicited under the false promise to provide a particular delivery service that he subsequently doesn't use.
If he wants to charge a high standard postage with a personal promise of covering any loses that's fair enough - it's my choice to bit on his auction under those terms.
If it happened to me I'd go after a refund.
Yeah, the buyer only has the sellers word, not doubting that your brother would pay up if parcel went missing, but some might, and at least the full amount can be claimed from the RM. If you offer a postal service and are charging the full price for it, then you should provide it.
Eh?
If I pay for special delivery I expect it to be provided. Your brother is quids in each month not because he's saving money - he isn't saving money because it's not costing him anything - he's pocketing extra money solicited under the false promise to provide a particular delivery service that he subsequently doesn't use.
If he wants to charge a high standard postage with a personal promise of covering any loses that's fair enough - it's my choice to bit on his auction under those terms.
If it happened to me I'd go after a refund.
I agree completely. He is ripping people off plain and simple.
alsemail
07-02-2007, 14:58
Does he state "special delivery" in the description?
He doesn't state Special Delivery, just that the package is insured and must be signed for on arrival.
He doesn't state Special Delivery, just that the package is insured and must be signed for on arrival.
but you stated he charges for Special delivery and I for one would be mighty annoyed if I had paid an extra £4 for a service I didn't receive.
alsemail
07-02-2007, 15:03
So every ebay item you receive the stamps match the value of postage you were charged?
So every ebay item you receive the stamps match the value of postage you were charged?
This isn't about a few pence here and there this is about deliberatley overcharging for a service that the seller is not providing.
alsemail
07-02-2007, 15:16
He is providing it, he guarantees all delivery's are secure and insured against loss. They are.
I made a mistake by saying he says they are Special delivery, I guess you type everthing correctly and never make mistakes.
We are obviously not going to agree on this so I'm going to leave it.
floyd, you come across as a aggressive moron.
And that has earned you a warning.
So every ebay item you receive the stamps match the value of postage you were charged?
That's irrelevant.
The point was that stating one delivery method and using another was simply dishonest.
You have clarified that now, though.
abarthman
07-02-2007, 18:32
... to your geeky mates on the forum ...I probably should feel insulted, but that just made me chuckle. :lol:
... well mate your a scum bag in my mind mate and should be dealt with accordingly.
but to think we would use the death of our dad for your means is the fact you have now gone too far as far as the guys are concerned! If it was going to be "dealt with accordingly", he would have already turned up at your door with "the guys" instead of making stupid, badly-spelt, veiled threats in an email.
But I could be wrong! :suspect:
aliman5000
07-02-2007, 19:03
Aww why is there no more? Just spent the last 10 minutes literally LMAO! :lol:
To the ebay fool:
"You are a joke my mate, stop packing fudge for a living chum and stop lying through your rotten teeth, tally ho. Idiot"
:)
WildWayz
09-02-2007, 15:01
removed :)
rainman999
13-02-2007, 10:07
this has gone far too quiet now, has the seller put down his Andy McNab book and come around to accordingly deal with you?
this has gone far too quiet now, has the seller put down his Andy McNab book and come around to accordingly deal with you?
It's all gone quite from the doofus, mate.
I did contact another ebay buyer who had a similar problem and the story was literally identical. He agreed the guy was an absolute idiot, hostile and abusive in the extreme.. over the exact same type of trousers I might add!!
He was gonna sign up here and post his tale, but doesn't seem to have done it so far. :shrug:
lennylenny
13-02-2007, 11:53
I have had this exact situation before - buying a DVD boxset which turned out to be a cheap copy which was not listed in the description. Made exactly the same mistake when the seller kindly offered me a refund if I sent it back. Just did it first class, forgot even to get a CoP - from that moment on the seller denied ever getting the parcel. Fortunately he was not an aggressive psychopath like this dude just kept going down the "please send this parcel", "sorry we still have not got it"... line.
When I thought it through i just decided to take the circa £15 hit and not risk leaving negative feedback when I could prove absolutely nothing to PayPal, Ebay or anyone. I am almost convinced the fake dvds were taken back, and resold for even more profit. Should have known to record the delivery as someone selling fakes on ebay is already breaking the law and will not worry at all about stealing £15 off a naive trusting soul like me. Also knew no point taking it up with PayPal - I previously entered a small claim for goods not received and no email comms from the seller, they settled the case in my favour and noted that "as there are no funds in the seller account you cannot get a refund at this time but rest assured when these become available you will get a refund". That was over a year ago. What is the point of filing a claim against someone if they will only refund you if there is credit in their account - surely they are supposed to cover these things... Useless...
Moral of the story - if returning goods *always* just take the hit and use trackable postage. Think everyone learns it after any experience of not being happy with the goods. I have only ever returned 3 things and got done on one of them. 33% strike rate of con artists is not good at all...
']Just claim off royal mail with your "useless" CoP. Forget about the loser.
Gonna do that anyway, but just don't like the fact this idiot may get away with my money. It's a principle issue now.
If you have a proof of posting make a claim from the post office, ask him to confirm he hasn't received the trousers back pointing out it's a criminal offence to knowingly make a false claim from the royal mail, as you have proof of posting you're covered.
sorry floyd,i should have backed you up sooner. but this man is a dick.( not floyd ) i am new to this forum so i am being polite.the man we are all talking aboute is a liar a cheat and a con man,and i hope his father died in a lot of pain, this may sound a bit harsh but personaly i do not believe scum like this ever had parents.once again sorry floyd.
dvds2000
09-03-2007, 23:54
thats a bit OTT :eek:
i am new to this forum so i am being polite..
:suspect:
IAmATeaf
10-03-2007, 16:06
sorry floyd,i should have backed you up sooner. but this man is a dick.( not floyd ) i am new to this forum so i am being polite.the man we are all talking aboute is a liar a cheat and a con man,and i hope his father died in a lot of pain, this may sound a bit harsh but personaly i do not believe scum like this ever had parents.once again sorry floyd.
Why the hell would you ever wish that upon someone's father simply cause their off spring acted in a retarded way? :cuckoo:
sorry floyd,i should have backed you up sooner.
Who the hell are you?? :thinking:
Tyler Durden
10-03-2007, 21:28
I assumed it was this guy :-
I did contact another ebay buyer who had a similar problem and the story was literally identical. He agreed the guy was an absolute idiot, hostile and abusive in the extreme.. over the exact same type of trousers I might add!!
He was gonna sign up here and post his tale, but doesn't seem to have done it so far. :shrug:
Ah I see. What a joker. :lol:
joker i may be,but i still stand by what i said.the guy that floyd and i have had too deal with is pure scum.i am being polite,if you had to deal with him you might feel different.our problem is ebay.we report idiots like him,but ebay just let them get away with it all the time.money has a way of making people turn a blind eye.
MrsBrady
12-03-2007, 16:34
Er... riiiight...
joker i may be,but i still stand by what i said.the guy that floyd and i have had too deal with is pure scum.i am being polite,if you had to deal with him you might feel different.our problem is ebay.we report idiots like him,but ebay just let them get away with it all the time.money has a way of making people turn a blind eye.
Calm.down dear
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