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essex_max
24-11-2006, 14:35
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/football_focus/6180564.stm
I think this has been a long time coming. They way refs get treated in football is a joke at times. If I was a ref, I wouldn't put up with being talked to like they are at present. :nono:
simonmac
24-11-2006, 14:41
I think it is a great idea, something needs to be done. I also think we should go further and punish the captain for insolence by any of their players.
Welshlad
24-11-2006, 14:44
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/football_focus/6180564.stm
I think this has been a long time coming. They way refs get treated in football is a joke at times. If I was a ref, I wouldn't put up with being talked to like they are at present. :nono:
Things is, they dont have put up wih it. They could easily send players off who swore and ranted at them under any number of rules - that would soon put a stop to it.
But they don't... :shrug:
Oh, but that wouldn't be common sense refereeing according to pundits :oh-hum:
When i read thread title i thought it would be about footballers not falling down when someone passes them and actually earning there wages.
simonmac
24-11-2006, 14:48
When i read thread title i thought it would be about footballers not falling down when someone passes them and actually earning there wages.
:lol:
Did anyone see that story earlier in the week that Torquay are going to start disciplining players who dive and try and cheat, if you get three marks then the player will be fired or put on the transfer list. If only that happens in the Premiership...
Peter UK
24-11-2006, 16:23
Yeah right, so all they've done is succeded in informing the refs that ref their games that they don't dive :suspect:
Art Vanderlay
24-11-2006, 16:37
Great idea - I hope they bring this in. We need to do something radical like this.
Things is, they dont have put up wih it. They could easily send players off who swore and ranted at them under any number of rules - that would soon put a stop to it.
But they don't... :shrug:
In paper that might work well but in practice surely it is almost impossible to implement. I have seen numerous examples this season of referee's being surrounded by six or more players, if a ref was to send them all of them the game would have to be abandoned.
As for the original idea, I am all for it as it is starting to get beyond a joke. Players and some managers do not respect referees these days and will try everything possible to apply unfair pressure on them.
Welshlad
24-11-2006, 17:19
In paper that might work well but in practice surely it is almost impossible to implement. I have seen numerous examples this season of referee's being surrounded by six or more players, if a ref was to send them all of them the game would have to be abandoned.
As for the original idea, I am all for it as it is starting to get beyond a joke. Players and some managers do not respect referees these days and will try everything possible to apply unfair pressure on them.
No, but you could book all six of them. If three of them en up getting sent off its their own fault. Plus, as soon as it dawns on them that all they have to do is make one bad tackle and scream abuse at the ref, the'd soon stop or end up being dropped because it'd cost the team not benefit them
/gust of wind
player rolls around on the floor clutching knee "arrgggh ref, ref!!!"
No, but you could book all six of them.
But what happens if say 4 of them already have yellow cards, I'm playing devils advocate but you know what I mean.
maddogsuk
24-11-2006, 17:35
I didn't see it in the article and don't follow Rugby, so what would be the penalty to the player's if they did bring this rule in and hoards of players harrassed the Ref?
It would be a good idea to abandon the 'abandon match if 5/6 (can't remember how many) players are sent off'. I can't even see why this rule exists.. it offers no tangible benefit to the opposition team.
Then make sure the refs/assistants are all miked up so everything is recorded. Then send players off for swearing etc. In any case of a dispute, the recording can be reproduced.
I think this would be an interesting rule change. Something certainly should be done about it. Kai's suggestion about mikes might also be worth considering. I would personally also use video evidence (at least in the top levels) to book players for diving and other such behaviour, if not "live" then at least after the match.
And now that we are talking about rule changes, something else that I was thinking about during the last World Cup: instead of a penalty shootout, matches that are draws after the extra time would be decided by counting the number of shots on goal each team has made. I doubt that would really catch on, though. ;)
This is nonsense. Referees should be made of sterner stuff and be able to cope with a few words aimed at them. It always makes a mockery of the game when a player is sent off because of what he says to an official. I always thinks it spoils the game as a contest.
The rules should state that a player who verbally abuses a referee should be penalised AFTER the game and not during it.
The rules should state that a player who verbally abuses a referee should be penalised AFTER the game and not during it.
If you verbally abused a copper you would run the risk of being nicked so if you verbally abuse a ref you should be sent off DURING the game. A referee is there to up hold the laws of the game not to be confronted by a load of foul mouthed yobs who can not control their tempers. The problems these days is that there is so much pressure on clubs to do well that players and this in turn is applying unfair pressure on the match officials.
Hernster
25-11-2006, 13:32
But what happens if say 4 of them already have yellow cards, I'm playing devils advocate but you know what I mean.
You could get an horrendous number of sendings off first game of the season, but on the second game, every player will have a very different attitude. :)
Fat Bloke
25-11-2006, 17:22
I think any backchat should be a Yellow.
Not a fan of Rugby, but I do admire the players that can be 6 foot 6, 20 twenty stone, knock 7 bales of **** out of each other, but still call the ref "Sir".
SOUNDSTYLE
25-11-2006, 18:09
Whatever happened to the ref moving the ball forward 10 yards if a player chatted back to the ref about a decision?
This happened quite often last season but maybe it's not a UEFA or FIFA initiative this season.
Whatever happened to the ref moving the ball forward 10 yards if a player chatted back to the ref about a decision?
That rule was dropped for some reason, I thought it worked quite well. The only problem was when the ball was moved from outside the penalty area into it.
rbullivant
25-11-2006, 20:23
I think perhaps managers and captains hould be brought on disrepute charges for not keeping control of the team. That'd soon have the players brought in line!
How would this work though? How would a player get a ticking off without responding?
R
This is nonsense. Referees should be made of sterner stuff and be able to cope with a few words aimed at them. It always makes a mockery of the game when a player is sent off because of what he says to an official. I always thinks it spoils the game as a contest.
The rules should state that a player who verbally abuses a referee should be penalised AFTER the game and not during it.
It's not nonsense. I had the 'fortune' to watch an under 10's match not long ago and some of the stuff coming out of the boy's mouths were disgraceful (all aimed at the referee too). Footballers are in a privileged position and should set an example for society. I'm not particularly old and I think it's getting to the point where enough is enough.
It works perfectly fine in rugby and all the technology is there and available - why not use it properly and for the good of the game?
corkbouy
26-11-2006, 07:23
I'm surprised someone hasn't trotted out the football-hooligan/rugby-gentlemen comparision line yet. :D
AdamBrunt
26-11-2006, 09:35
I think any backchat should be a Yellow.
AFAIK it already is - just refs don't have the guts to apply it normally.
mnementh
27-11-2006, 13:05
Whatever happened to the ref moving the ball forward 10 yards if a player chatted back to the ref about a decision?
This happened quite often last season but maybe it's not a UEFA or FIFA initiative this season.
I thought this was dropped and the Refs were meant to give a yellow card instead - not that they do.
I expect I'll get shouted down for this, but I'd be in favour of a sin-bin for these offences. Swear at a ref and get sent off for 5/10 mins. Do it again in the same game, get a yellow card, etc
I think the 'sin bin' would go well with this rule. If someone screams at a ref, or runs over demanding yellow cards etc, send them off for 10 minutes. They will soon learn.
cheeseypuffs
27-11-2006, 14:07
I think any backchat should be a Yellow.
Not a fan of Rugby, but I do admire the players that can be 6 foot 6, 20 twenty stone, knock 7 bales of **** out of each other, but still call the ref "Sir".On the rugby pitch it's something that you learn from your captain/peers and shows that although you may not agree with his decision you respect his authority. You also have to remember that if you get on the bad side of a ref it might influence him to view the borderline decisions in favour of your opposition ;)
I expect I'll get shouted down for this, but I'd be in favour of a sin-bin for these offences. Swear at a ref and get sent off for 5/10 mins. Do it again in the same game, get a yellow card, etc
Seems like a good idea to me although if someone does it again they should get a red card.
And if they got sinbinned for 'simulation' it would soon stop.
While it would be a painful process at the start, after a season they would get hang of it and those teams that didn't would get used to life playing with 6 players and relegation. End of the day the referees are mostly volunteers, who dont really deserve the abuse for doing their best.
And if they got sinbinned for 'simulation' it would soon stop.
That is trickier to call though unless you want some sort of video ref to judge when a player has or hasn't dived. Some are obvious on first viewing others are not and it would be adding more pressure on the ref is he was going to be responsible for sinbinning players for these offences.
You could get an horrendous number of sendings off first game of the season, but on the second game, every player will have a very different attitude. :)
Interestingly they did an experiment in a lower league Rugby League game a couple of years back.
The ref, reffed to the exact letter of the law and the players gave away bucketfuls of penalties in the 1st half.
At half time the coaches (who knew all along) told the players what was happening and in the 2nd half only 3 penalties were given, compared to something like 28 in the 1st half.
Unfortunately it wasn't followed up.
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