View Full Version : POTA 2001 - What the hell was that ending about- SPIOLERS (I hope)
Is there ment to be a sequal, is there a book film tie in (not the original novel), that explains it better, was there a follow up comic strip that shead some ligth on it, was it me did I miss something important in the movie to explain what went on?:brickwall
i didnt get it either.....the whole bit about...
...wahlbergs crew having crash landed on the planet centuries ago was alright because of the black hole/time warp thingamajig, but having gone back where he came from earth would be populated by apes...
...makes so sense at all......:confused:
Glade its just not me then.
I just got the idea that the Burton stuck on a shock ending to try & outdo the original.
I was really looking forward to this film & really wanted to enjoy it, & although it wasnt bad the ending just made me feal that I had waisted my time watching it & I couldnt even really be bothered to watch the extras afterwards.
I dont supose anybody wants to buy/trade my copy off me do they?
Davester
05-01-2002, 16:08
Originally posted by new
Glade its just not me then.
I just got the idea that the Burton stuck on a shock ending to try & outdo the original.
I was reallt looking forward to this film & reallt wanted to enjoy it, & although it wasnt bad the ending just made me feal that I had waisted my time watching it & I couldnt even really be bothered to watch the extras afterwards.
I dont supose anybody wants to buy/trade my copy off me do they?
I have the rock flipper if you are interested;)
wong fei hong
06-01-2002, 11:21
The ending to Burtons adaptation/reimagining/whatever is very close to the end of Pierre Boulle's novel. The ending of the Charlton Heston version is not part of Boulles novel, but added by the film-makers who feared exactly the reaction that Burton provoked. The two endings do two different things...
The sixties ending came at a time when there was a massive reaction against nuclear weapons. The end of the first POTA puts the blame squarely at the feet of humanity - we destroyed our world, now another race is getting a shot. We are effectively history.
Boulle's (and Burton's) ending is a shock intended to make the audience/reader think about their own position in relation to the animals of the world. Imagine if an ape piloted a spacecraft into a city... that animal would be cut up before you could say bubbles-burger. It is meant to be allegorical, a parable, not an explainable 'sci-fi' ending.
For the record, I thought the 2001 POTA was okay at best, and certainly Burtons weakest film, but not deserving of the scorn heaped upon it. I shan't be buying it, though.
andybhoy
06-01-2002, 16:28
Originally posted by new
Is there ment to be a sequal, is there a book film tie in (not the original novel), that explains it better, was there a follow up comic strip that shead some ligth on it, was it me did I miss something important in the movie to explain what went on?:brickwall
This is my take on the events:
They travel forward in time, to another planet.
Guy saves the world.
Bad ape gets locked in derelict spaceship.
Guy travels back in time to earth.
Finds that bad ape has somehow gotten there before him (arrived at an earlier year), and changed the world.
Only possible way is that the general ape guy (thane?) managed to get out of the part he was locked in, and into the third space pod (if there was one), I know there were at least 2, was there a 3rd?.
If I'm wrong, we're back to the dumbest ending ever seen in a movie (in a "how the hell did he (the ape) get there" kind of way. Because it was definitely 2 different planets).
The only way it makes sense to me is if Geneal Thade had used the crashed pod that he found and left the planet after Captain Leo.As had happened before going through the `time warp` he could have arrived at Earth long before Leo and changed the coure of history.I think the ending would have been great if that possibility had been build into the story.As it was it was just tagged on with no logic at all.In context of the film up to that point it was stupid.
andybhoy
07-01-2002, 08:18
Originally posted by jflynn
The only way it makes sense to me is if Geneal Thade had used the crashed pod that he found and left the planet after Captain Leo.As had happened before going through the `time warp` he could have arrived at Earth long before Leo and changed the coure of history.I think the ending would have been great if that possibility had been build into the story.As it was it was just tagged on with no logic at all.In context of the film up to that point it was stupid.
That's what I just said =)
So Im not the only one then who feels there is no logical piont to the ending.
If Geneal Thade did get back to Earth to alter history how:
1. Did he get the ship to do it (all the ships left on the Ape planet were way crashed so how did he repair them, let alone learn how to fly one back in time to Earth!)?
2. Would he know at what place in time to change history?
If Burton was intending to make us think about our own postion in society then he should'nt insult us to take in an ending in which he makes no attempt at explaning how it come about.
Dan Druff
08-01-2002, 11:44
Where did the horses come from?
the reason why no-one understands the ending is that in the up and coming special edition to be released later in 2002 you will see the missing scene in which the curtain draws back and patrick duffy says 'good morning' to the camera.
I'm guessing that none of you read the supplied little supplement in the R1 dvd case that showed you how the story might have gone. It was just a one page sheet that had a diagram of the timeline and how events took or might have took place.
It's a 'loop' in the time line.............
Monkey disappears
Mark Flies off then Arrives
Monkey Appears
So... What goes through the 'time zone' first comes out last, therefore...
Mark Flies off to go home
Thade gets ship working flies to earth
Mark Gets home
Hope that helps.
andybhoy
10-01-2002, 08:20
Originally posted by Alanok
I'm guessing that none of you read the supplied little supplement in the R1 dvd case that showed you how the story might have gone. It was just a one page sheet that had a diagram of the timeline and how events took or might have took place. Don't know about anyone else, but I haven't seen the dvd yet (only seen it at the cinema).
I seem to have a totally different take on this to everyone else, perhaps I'm missing something, but this is what I think happened.
Mark gets into the chimps pod, hopefully leaving the humans and apes to co-exist in equality. He unknowingly goes through another time warp and returns to the same planet.
This time, another thousand years has passed, and instead of humans and apes co-existing, obviously humans have been wiped out to leave apes as the dominant species. His hopes for the future of humanity are crushed and he realises he is the only human left in the universe.
I think the real answer is that it's a lazy attempt to give a mediocre film a final scene twist to match up with the original. To rationalise it, having suffered only the movie and not seen any other press release, interview, comic or DVD insert, I agree with Nana. Thade escapes from the glass room, realises the power of technology, and a new civilisation develops shaped by the images from the TV signals we saw "lost in space" at the start of the film. The wormhole-McGuffin moves Wahlberg's character forward in time again, so he isn't home, but back on the ape world when techo-literate apes are once more the dominant species. It doesn't matter really. The inevitable sequel now has the budget-friendly advantage of using twenty-first century urban locations.
Originally posted by Nana
I seem to have a totally different take on this to everyone else, perhaps I'm missing something, but this is what I think happened.
Mark gets into the chimps pod, hopefully leaving the humans and apes to co-exist in equality. He unknowingly goes through another time warp and returns to the same planet.
This time, another thousand years has passed, and instead of humans and apes co-existing, obviously humans have been wiped out to leave apes as the dominant species. His hopes for the future of humanity are crushed and he realises he is the only human left in the universe.
This can't be right as the planet that he lands on at the end of the film is Earth as it has the correct neighbouring planets and 1 moon, his console says "approaching Earth Orbit" and it has Earth's continents on it - e.g. very recognizable N. and S.Americas
But the planet that he left was not Earth as it had different numbers of moons, was surrounded by different other planets, etc.
They are definitely two different planets.
I personally thought POTA was really good espically helped by the treat that is Estella Warren :nuts: - the ending was a little strange but I think I understand it now - if you have a look at the inlay card in the DVD it gives you clues in there to what it means as well
'Marky' Mark Wahlberg was pretty awful and gave the worst leading man performance since Matt Le Blanc in Lost in Space though not quite as bad as that dire act! - maybe even Schwarzenegger (the original pick) would have been better than him?!?
I just thought he landed on earth way into the future where the apes had again evolved into the dominant species. Perhaps the sequel will explain more.
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