Lost 3x02 (Spoilers) [Archive] - Forums @ The Digital Fix

Lorne.t

12-10-2006, 10:28

We learned more about the couple and what happened to Sun's bit on the side.
Also the fact that Jin knows more English than he's been letting on.
I didn't mind their scenes as the show wasn't centered on them anyway as we got to see what was happening with the three prisoners.

KennyVader

12-10-2006, 11:38

WTF? Neither Said nor Jin thought to do a simple disabling of the boat engine, like the nuns do to the car in the Sound of Music, that they could have quickly put back in case they needed a quick getaway, but which would have stopped the others nicking off with the boat? Muppets.

Benry is *superbly* creepy. Apparently he was supposed to just be a random prisoner hired for just the three episodes last season, but the producters liked him so much when they saw his performance that they rewrote his character into the clearly much more significant one. Turned a bit into Sliver towards the end. Or is Benry a sort of Christof in a wacky Truman Show?

Wish they would just come out and say why it is that they claim to be the good guys. They keep making out that they're the good guys so why are they keeping people in cages, making people work chain gangs etc?

So I think the point of the episode was that the "others" could all leave the island if they wanted, but they choose not to. Weird ...

The Boston Red Sox stuff was a bit america-centric I thought. Typical international viewers probably wouldn't know or care that their winning the "world" series was unexpected.

camaj

12-10-2006, 12:12

They might not know but they could probably work it out.

For me, a much better episode that the first one. Although we already know the Others can leave any time it still confirms it. Interesting if it's true that Ben was born on the island.

Can't believe that Sawyer was dumb enough to give the game away when he was locked up. You just knew they would be watching the whole thing.

Good on Sun for shooting the silly woman. "We're not enemies", what rubbish. Shame she couldn't take down a few more. Good to see that the others didn't know they had a boat, perhaps they don't know everything. It seems like the boat was towed away, I didn't think it had an engine.

It appears they're trying to convert jack to join their side, perhaps they want him to convince the rest of them to join them since they possibly believe he is their leader.

Urban Tiger

12-10-2006, 12:21

Good on Sun for shooting the silly woman. "We're not enemies", what rubbish. Shame she couldn't take down a few more. Good to see that the others didn't know they had a boat, perhaps they don't know everything. It seems like the boat was towed away, I didn't think it had an engine.

I thought you could clearly see the engine churning the water as it moved away :shrug:

ascender

12-10-2006, 12:42

I quite enjoyed S3E2, but I have to say my heart sank when I saw it was a Jin episode, particularly starting with her as a kid! I thought they were going to force childhood episodes on us now to spin things out further.

Bit frustrating that we didn't really learn that much more in the back story. The whole boat hijacking was incredibly predictable and its hard to suspend your disbelief when we've been told so many times that Sayid was a pretty double tough army *******.

I don't know why, maybe its the break, but the first two eps of this season have been better than I remember S2 to be. But, its so annoying that at the end we learn more in a few minutes about the Others than we have done in the preceding 45 or so. And then its the titles.

I honestly don't know if they're just making most of it up as they go, but surely the writers can see why they're being accused of just stretching this out for as long as they can? It just seems like they need a bit more focus. Anyway, its definitely good to have it back, but they really need to start moving things along a wee bit faster IMO.

kippa2k1

12-10-2006, 12:49

I quite enjoyed S3E2, but I have to say my heart sank when I saw it was a Jin episode, particularly starting with her as a kid!

Did they show the sex change then? :nuts:

ascender

12-10-2006, 12:53

Did they show the sex change then? :nuts:

Lol. Oops.

Richie

12-10-2006, 12:59

I have a strange feeling that Benry was once like Jack et al.
"You never made soup for me" he says to Juliet in a tone that suggests that when he was in Jack's situation... hell, maybe I'm reaching? :shrug:
"Hi, my name is Benjamin Linus and I've lived on this island all my life". His whole life or since he was 're-born' into this bizarre community? :suspect:

Where are the children btw?

ohood

12-10-2006, 13:21

Enjoyable episode, nice bit of back story for Jin and Sun, filled in a couple of loose ends anyway. I liked the Sawyer banter, the 'Boss' (Buck from Kill Bill) is soooo gonna get it at some point, I hope so anyway.

I'm thinking that Ben et al are either off-spring born on the island or children of the original Dharma people and their message got lost somewhere long the way (possibly something to do with that 'incident'.) Also, him saying that Juliet never made soup for him could mean they were/are a couple.

Jaime

12-10-2006, 15:44

I'm thinking that Ben et al are either off-spring born on the island or children of the original Dharma people and their message got lost somewhere long the way (possibly something to do with that 'incident'.) Also, him saying that Juliet never made soup for him could mean they were/are a couple.

The Dharma Inititaive started in the 70s. Ben is too old to have any connection to them.

Thoroughly enjoyed this episode. I'm really glad they seem to be making an effort to have the flashbacks show us another side and something new about the regular cast this season. Hopefully they keep it up.

Lorne.t

12-10-2006, 15:53

This is pure speculation but someone on HTF reckons we'll see a further flashback with Sun pushing her bit on the side out of the window as he was forcing her to take the pearls and come with her.

Xenomorph

12-10-2006, 15:56

We learned more about the couple and what happened to Sun's bit on the side.

The flashbacks tend to reflect whats going on now don't they.

What if Sun threw him off the roof? Later we perhaps learn in self defense?

Xenomorph

12-10-2006, 15:58

Scared now. :(

Deron

12-10-2006, 16:09

I think Ben and Juliet 'were' a couple.

We had the whole book group thing where people were questionning her choice of book, saying that Ben wouldn't have chosen it.

She said she chose it exactly for that reason. Then we have the soup comment, plus when he ran off when jack opened the door and locked her in.

Then we had that other woman asking if she was interrupting anything, and her offhand comment about would it matter...

Messy breakup...

KennyVader

12-10-2006, 16:32

This is pure speculation but someone on HTF reckons we'll see a further flashback with Sun pushing her bit on the side out of the window as he was forcing her to take the pearls and come with her.

Possibly, I had assumed that either Daddy (or another of his henchmen) had finished the job that Jin couldn't do; or fancyman had just jumped out of his own accord, due to the dishonour etc.

Dan

12-10-2006, 17:18

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TonyG

12-10-2006, 17:35

An OK episode, flashbacks didn't contribute much but thankfully most of the current island storylines were interesting. Good to see Sawyer finally got a snog with Kate... and with some tongue-action if i'm not mistaken. :n0rty:

camaj

12-10-2006, 17:55

The Dharma Inititaive started in the 70s. Ben is too old to have any connection to them.

Maybe Ben's family lived on the island and were anthropologists and Dharma tried to take over. Perhaps they kidnapped the Dharma people and brainwashed them to bring them over to their side, whilst keeping up the pretense that they were still running the experiments.

Perhaps they fear that the survivors may be working for Dharma or the Hanso foundation

Spooksta

12-10-2006, 18:00

I think Bens comment about the soup was implying that he was once a prisoner :thumbs:

Philipio

12-10-2006, 18:04

The Boston Red Sox stuff was a bit america-centric I thought. Typical international viewers probably wouldn't know or care that their winning the "world" series was unexpected.

Remember though, the Red Sox winning the World Series is a kinda reference to "Outlaws" in which Jack's father, Christian, believed that the Red Sox would never win the World Series because "some people are just supposed to suffer".

Jack also held this quote true to himself, and even spoke it to Sawyer in the same episode.

Xenomorph

12-10-2006, 18:11

I think Bens comment about the soup was implying that he was once a prisoner :thumbs:

I think Jack is possibly being lined up as Ben's replacement.

sexy244486

12-10-2006, 18:17

Another good episiode, I think the flashbacks are great, remember we are gonna get flashbacks every episode its just that this week it was Jin and Sun.

Be interesting to see what happened at the top of the hotel, weather he did jump or was pushed?

Jaime

12-10-2006, 18:26

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Looks fantastic. Locke's a baddass again! :D

Francis

12-10-2006, 20:45

Decent enough episode, but not what I was expecting by last weeks trailer. It seemed to imply an all out action packed one, and again the trailer for next week looks really good, not going to get my hopes up too high again!

LeftHandedGuitarist

12-10-2006, 21:31

Great episode, much more exciting than last weeks. I found the flashbacks very engrossing too.

Tom Whitaker

12-10-2006, 21:31

Looks fantastic. Locke's a baddass again! :D

And they're using another version of the amnesia get-out!

Enjoyed the episode though.

NicolaUK

12-10-2006, 21:35

Highlander

12-10-2006, 21:54

How did The Others get past Sayid and Jin? Didn't look like they swam, as they looked dry.

Was that the 'mechanical monster thingy? Maybe we'll find out more about it next week? Like what it is!!

basegreen

12-10-2006, 21:55

How did The Others get past Sayid and Jin? Didn't look like they swam, as they looked dry.

On the other boat which had the engine.

GAmbrose

12-10-2006, 22:00

Remember though, the Red Sox winning the World Series is a kinda reference to "Outlaws" in which Jack's father, Christian, believed that the Red Sox would never win the World Series because "some people are just supposed to suffer".

Jack also held this quote true to himself, and even spoke it to Sawyer in the same episode.

Well remembered!

Whoever was asking where the children are...Benry et al don't have them. They are with the 'real' others.

Gary A

Highlander

12-10-2006, 22:00

What other boat? I though Michael took that?
Like someone else said, I think the engine was on the yacht, as you could see the water churning behind it.

GAmbrose

12-10-2006, 22:02

On the other boat which had the engine.

They don't have any other boat AFAIK. Michael and Walt took it.

Thats why Benry was so desperate that they recover the sail boat.

Gary A

Jaime

12-10-2006, 22:17

Well remembered!

Whoever was asking where the children are...Benry et al don't have them. They are with the 'real' others.

Gary A

That's what I thought, but Goodwin was definitely one of Benny's Others and he was the one who made the list that the Others that took the kids were carrying.

As for how the Others got on the boat - they were riding Dharma brand sharks ;)

Richie

12-10-2006, 22:32

I think Bens comment about the soup was implying that he was once a prisoner :thumbs:

ahem!

I have a strange feeling that Benry was once like Jack et al.
"You never made soup for me" he says to Juliet in a tone that suggests that when he was in Jack's situation... hell, maybe I'm reaching? :shrug:

;)

DavidO

12-10-2006, 23:26

36Degrees

12-10-2006, 23:39

The whole Boston Redsox bit also let us know that at least up until November 29 2004 the outside world has carried on as it did in real life, and that there has been no unusal passage of time while they have been on the island. It doesn't though does it?

All we know is that history up until November 3rd has been on par, since the three events mentioned:

Christopher Reeve Dying: October 10th
Red Soxs: End of October ish
Bush: November 2nd/3rd (depending on when one suggests Gore conceeded).

The events of Season two finale (which are most likely to impact the events of the world) are close to November 26th ish?

I didn't like the episode that much, like the two trailers more :) - One thing though, what exactly is new from the whole Sun/Jin back story? I'm sure all this was mentioned in the last two seasons... except Sun breaking some figureen.

GAmbrose

12-10-2006, 23:49

A) Sun actually slept with the guy, it could be his baby.
B) He ultimately died, it was not neccessarily a suicide either but Jin definately didn't do it.
C) Sun lies quite a lot

Gary A

robzinski

12-10-2006, 23:52

It doesn't though does it?

All we know is that history up until November 3rd has been on par, since the three events mentioned:

Christopher Reeve Dying: October 10th
Red Soxs: End of October ish
Bush: November 2nd/3rd (depending on when one suggests Gore conceeded).

It was Kerry in '94.

Really liked that episode after the disapointing opener last week.

You can see Jack is desperate to get home now. Wonder what he'll have to do.

Richie

12-10-2006, 23:55

It's the implication that she has allowed others to deal with the consequences of her actions all her life... until now.
I thought it was a great flashback story, not only do we get to more fully understand how Sun has lived her life but it directly informed the situation she and Jin now find themselves in.

Jaime

12-10-2006, 23:55

One thing though, what exactly is new from the whole Sun/Jin back story? I'm sure all this was mentioned in the last two seasons... except Sun breaking some figureen.

Sun is a bitch and Jin will only go so far for her father. This episode was a complete roll reversal for them.

Richie

12-10-2006, 23:57

It was Kerry in '94.
Shall we try it one more time? ;)

36Degrees

12-10-2006, 23:59

I thought A was already mentioned though, or certaintly heavily implied previously?
B... Probably my poor memory, but doesn't that contridict what happened earlier? I'm sure Jin went to Sun's dad and said he'd "delivered the message"... or was that someone else?
C... Everybody lies (to quote Dr House MD)

36Degrees

13-10-2006, 00:00

It was Kerry in '94.

Really liked that episode after the disapointing opener last week.

You can see Jack is desperate to get home now. Wonder what he'll have to do. Oops oh yeah '04 ;)

Richie

13-10-2006, 00:02

A - was heavily implied but now it's confirmed.
B - dunno! I need a Sun & Jin chronology! :help:
C - Sun's lies would appear to have life changing/ending consequences for others (and also her Father has allowed her to grow up never taking any personal responsibility - I think that's the most significant thing here).

Spooksta

13-10-2006, 05:37

ahem!

;)

You didnt make your point direct enough :D

robzinski

13-10-2006, 07:42

Oops oh yeah '04 ;)

Heh. My only defence is that it was quite late!

Richie

13-10-2006, 08:46

You didnt make your point direct enough :D
I was doing it 'Lost' style! :D

Soprano

13-10-2006, 09:32

A) Sun actually slept with the guy, it could be his baby.
B) He ultimately died, it was not neccessarily a suicide either but Jin definately didn't do it.
C) Sun lies quite a lot

Gary A

I found this a bit "so what" like most flashbacks. It seems a unnecessary attempt to flesh out characters which are either worthless, or just asks more questions. More questions is something Lost could do without.

I'm seeing the first cracks in the series now. It all started off interesting, but these flashbacks need to stop. Let's just get on with the story on the island. There is more than enough material to last a few seasons. The flashbacks kill the pace of Lost and take away the possibility that it could actually be exciting. I do not know the figures for this episode, I understand they lost 5m in the 1st one, so hopefully they will send out a large smoke signal to the writers who note viewers are voting with their remote.

I read some where Next month is the 13 week break!! Can anyone confirm this?

pandaboy

13-10-2006, 09:34

How did The Others get past Sayid and Jin? Didn't look like they swam, as they looked dry.When the Others first became an issue in Lost, they seemed almost supernatural in their ability to appear and disappear. I assumed this was just a continuation of that - ie they can move about really really quietly...

ph

surfer_chicky

13-10-2006, 09:40

I beleive that they are showing the first 6 weeks in a row as a mini series and then there is a 12 week brak were the next 18 episodes will be on continusly till the end.

Enjoyed the episode, I get the feeling that juliet and benj were an Item once hence the soup comment. They both seem to be the leaders of the others more so ben but Juliet is up there. I cant see why we had a Jin/Sun flashback didnt really tell us anything we didtn know, she had an affair, her Dad is Mafia kind of guy, and shes lies :shrug:
Like the sawyer/kate kiss. Hes great I love sawyer he is the best character out of the lot with his witty comments and chat backs!

KennyVader

13-10-2006, 09:49

The whole Boston Redsox bit also let us know that at least up until November 29 2004 the outside world has carried on as it did in real life, and that there has been no unusal passage of time while they have been on the island.

Well the end of S2 with the arctic people phoning up Penny told us that the outside world was still there and functioning normally (although it did not confirm anything about timelines I guess).

What's the deal with Benny saying "Jack, I'll take you home" rather than "I'll send you home". That's got to be significant, no? He's apparently been on the island all his life, but now Julia's dumped him, he wants out?

hookbeak

13-10-2006, 09:52

I understand they lost 5m in the 1st one, so hopefully they will send out a large smoke signal to the writers who note viewers are voting with their remote.

2nd episode still had the most viewers of the night, although slightly beaten in audience share by criminal minds (crazy maths they use)

Either way, losts viewing figures continue to be massive and i see no reason to interfere with the format that most of us love.

Bad news for "the nine" though, it got really hammered this week, losing 55% of the lead in audience from Lost. I get a feeling we are never going to find out what happened in that bank :(

Soprano

13-10-2006, 10:02

Either way, losts viewing figures continue to be massive and i see no reason to interfere with the format that most of us love.

Really? People like the flashbacks? :shrug:

I thought they were okay in the first series, but now it just feels like padding. I'd much rather the focus on life on the island.

Richie

13-10-2006, 10:19

Hes great I love sawyer he is the best character out of the lot with his witty comments and chat backs!Not forgetting his tight abs and sexy hair! :n0rty:

lostboy182

13-10-2006, 10:28

Really? People like the flashbacks? :shrug:

I thought they were okay in the first series, but now it just feels like padding. I'd much rather the focus on life on the island.

Yep - I like the character development the flashbacks offer. More please.

GAmbrose

13-10-2006, 11:44

Some of the first batch of Season 2 flashbacks were fillers, but these first two have both been quite interesting.

Both have shown darker sides to Jack and Sun, respectively. Two characters who were in danger of being slightly one dimensional.

Gary A

Herbal

13-10-2006, 12:14

I like the flashbacks and really looking forward to the Ben one.

I think as long as Lost is here the flashbacks will. But there have been about 5 of Jack now and only 2 of Hurley. Maybe the other characters should get more of them.

Nice episode though and liked the little twist at the end. How far will this go though? 10 seasons?

GAmbrose

13-10-2006, 12:42

Five seasons would be my guess.

Ultimately it depends on if it can sustain it's popularity. If ABC are still making a ton of money out of it in 2008 then they will carry it on.

Gary A

Tom Whitaker

13-10-2006, 15:37

I'm all for character development, but it's getting to the point now where I've forgotten what we know about the characters from previous episodes. The ones I like are ones where the flashback events somehow illuminate the events of the current episode, but I'm struggling to keep track of what I do and don't know about all these characters.

KennyVader

13-10-2006, 18:13

Five seasons would be my guess.

Ultimately it depends on if it can sustain it's popularity. If ABC are still making a ton of money out of it in 2008 then they will carry it on.

Gary A

The trouble with Lost is you can't really join in at Season 3, or mid way through a season, or dip in and out throughout a season. It's very much a series that you need to have seen all or most of the previous episodes to get much out of it. So, audience figures for it can never really go up, they can only ever go down as many more viewers fall away than start watching.

And then the trouble is that once you've seen an episode, the surprise is gone, it does not stand up to repeated viewing.

X-files was good when they were mostly random self-contained episodes like Eugene Toombs or the Circus Freaks one, because you could just watch it on it's own. As soon as the balance shifted to so many episodes being about actual aliens and Mulder's lost sister etc, you missed a couple of episodes and it was impossible to get back in to it, so the series was doomed. If they had just stuck to wacky paranormal stuff with no need to join the dots between episodes it'd probably still be being made today.

Richie

13-10-2006, 19:03

once you've seen an episode, the surprise is gone, it does not stand up to repeated viewing.
I have to disagree there! I didn't think it would stand up to repeat viewing but it does and even moreso when you know events further down the road. I don't want to open the are-they-making-it-up-as-they-go-along can of worms again but it's great to re-watch earlier episodes knowing what comes later. For example, shots of Rose sitting alone on the beach early in Season 1 now take on a whole other meaning than just her missing Bernard. Of course it can also highlight even more questions we still want answered, like what exactly did Locke see when he came face to face with whatever it was he encountered when out hunting? How was Cindy in the tail section after the crash when she was further forward by Charlie's toilet during the crash? and where the hell is she now? How had Rousseau never encountered anyone else in 16 years when the island has a seemingly quite huge population (unless she was lying)?! etc :dork:
Re-watching gets you looking for the clues... :help:

Jaime

13-10-2006, 19:31

I don't think I'll ever get tired of rewatching this show.

Teece

13-10-2006, 22:14

Another clue that Benry and Juliet were a couple was from last week - the 'guess I'm out of the book club' remark was a bit barbed, in the same way the soup exchange was.

SqueakyG

13-10-2006, 23:23

I'm getting annoyed that the Udders are so clearly villainous, yet we have no clue what their motives are. Are we supposed to sit here and enjoy that? We wouldn't stand for it in any other fiction.

scaramanga

14-10-2006, 00:09

Well its blatant that they are not dharma or they would have known about the boat combat clancy was patching up? Surely they sail around the island now and then. And how come we never heard much about the scientists encounters with the 'hostiles' ?

Thought it was a good episode and has confirmed some questions and was generally enjoyable.

Jaime

14-10-2006, 09:25

How did The Others get past Sayid and Jin? Didn't look like they swam, as they looked dry.

Thought this was interesting. (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Galaga)

robzinski

14-10-2006, 13:15

I've been thinking about where abouts on the island they are, and i'm a little puzzled.

For some reason, I got it into my head that the fuselage crashed on the west side of the island, and that the tailies had landed somewhere at the south of the island.

Now from the season opener, if the others camp is towards the north end of the island then the clip from the start showed the plane heading south over the island, so the tail end would have landed further north up the coast than the fuselage which would have landed on the south end of the island?

I was sure that the fuselage crew had sat and watched sunsets on the beach though, so they should have been on the west coast. If are on the west coast, then the taillies would have landed on the north end of the island, putting the others on the west coast?

But didn't Desmond say that 'the hostiles' were to the north of the island?

Can anyone else shed any light on the geography of the island?

Richie

14-10-2006, 14:28

I'd always had the fuselage at the south of the island, the tailes to the west and the hostiles / others to the north.
The crash in the season 3 prem seems to confirm this.
We need to remember though that in shooting the show they are going to be all over the place at different times of day to when events are meant to take place so there's going to be discrepancies with shadows and light.
It could of course indicate that the island is never at a constant! ;)
I still reckon the island moves and re-figures itself and that that is what the 'monster' is when parts move around.

ColinP

14-10-2006, 20:37

I'm getting annoyed that the Udders are so clearly villainous, yet we have no clue what their motives are. Are we supposed to sit here and enjoy that? We wouldn't stand for it in any other fiction.

:?:

I really get the feeling a lot of people are posting here without having a clue what Lost is about. The whole point is that we DON'T know what their motives are and that over time things will become clear. We've arlready learn't loads since the start of the season - the 'Others' are an established community on the island by choice and Dharma is no longer active on the island.

Likewise, with the flashbacks - they're integral to the overall arc of the show. They're not filler or just put in to flesh out the characters and we're already learning that the survivors interacted in various ways long before they ended up on the island. If the flashbacks were removed then we'd lose shedloads of backstory which explain the characters motivations and the show is probably more about who these people are rather than what the 'Monster' is, or what 'Dharma' were really doing.

People complaining about the flashbacks or asking for them to be dropped really just don't get it and may as well give up now - as I can't see any of them being satisfied with the way things are likely to turn out.

Highlander

14-10-2006, 20:47

Just remembered something that someone on here, or maybe on another forum, said in jest, probably way back in season 1. Something along the lines of if the survivors went to the other side of the island, they'd more than likely find a holiday resort. How close were they :nuts:

KennyVader

14-10-2006, 22:17

We've arlready learn't loads since the start of the season - the 'Others' are an established community on the island by choice and Dharma is no longer active on the island.

Well Dharma is still dropping food off at the Locke/Desmond hatch, and (from the looks of it, although we haven't actually seen it) at the Cult-Of-Benry village on occasion too (think some Dharma ketchup bottles or something like that have been spotted there).

So I don't think Dharma can have gone completely inactive.

Unless they just moved into internet shopping instead of wacky social experiments, and Benry logs on to DharmaFoodDrops.com every week to place the village order like we do at Tesco.com.

robzinski

14-10-2006, 23:50

68monkey

15-10-2006, 00:01

http://www.thedvdforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4559914&postcount=23
***waits eagerly for the next theory from camaj***

:notworthy

S1515

15-10-2006, 01:10

Cant believe nobodys metioned the most important point from this episode... Kate still has no knickers on!! :clap:

Jaime

15-10-2006, 09:09

Cant believe nobodys metioned the most important point from this episode... Kate still has no knickers on!! :clap:

Sawyer obviously noticed.

basegreen

15-10-2006, 13:42

if dharma arent active on the island, why are they still doing food drops?

ColinP

15-10-2006, 14:07

Well Dharma is still dropping food off at the Locke/Desmond hatch, and (from the looks of it, although we haven't actually seen it) at the Cult-Of-Benry village on occasion too (think some Dharma ketchup bottles or something like that have been spotted there).

So I don't think Dharma can have gone completely inactive.

What I meant is that Dharma are have apparently abandoned their stations on the island - the 'Others' aren't Dharma and have the Hydra whereas the survivors have the Swan and the other bunkers we've seen have all been left.

Doesn't explain the food drops though.

Jaime

15-10-2006, 14:22

My guess is that Dharma cleared up any research they did and left, but because the work in the hatch needs to be done they didn't tell Radzinsky or Inman they were leaving and somehow arranged for the food drops to continue.

cockbongo

15-10-2006, 21:51

The flashbacks tend to reflect whats going on now don't they.

What if Sun threw him off the roof? Later we perhaps learn in self defense?

Maybe i've got this wrong, but i thought that was the entire idea of the flashback. Sun did kill her fancy man. This was reinforced by the scene between her and Connie in the boat where she says something like "you wont shoot, Sun, we know you're not that kind of person". And then she shoots her. Clearly they don't know Sun as well as they thought they did.

It's also possible that her Dad knew that she killed him and *that's* also what she meant when she asks him at the funeral if he'll ever tell Jin.

Great episode. Nice to see some twisty turny back stories for the characters - looks like we're getting to the nitty gritty of some of them - wonder if we'll finally get the "Locke in a wheelchair" flashback this year.......?

Richie

15-10-2006, 22:39

wonder if we'll finally get the "Locke in a wheelchair" flashback this year.......?
According to the first podcast of the season, yes we will (this season if not this actual calendar year)!

Jaime

15-10-2006, 23:20

According to the first podcast of the season, yes we will (this season if not this actual calendar year)!

Or this week ;)

camaj

15-10-2006, 23:53

***waits eagerly for the next theory from camaj***

Wooot!! I R0ckz :clap: I had no idea that the poster was talking about me, I thought it must have been someone else. I was only kidding when I wrote that though, it's an old joke, someone lands on a desert island and eventually finds it's just a tropical resort.

My main theory, in episode 1, was that there was a secret base on the island. I wasn't joking about that. My theory for this week is that Dharma still believe the experiements are on going, hence the food drops. Some if not all of the people where Dharma employees but were recruited to the book group, possibly like they're going to try with Jack.

Also, there's a way to each of the stations from the village, possibly underground tunnels or hidden paths. Even if someone finds a station, it won't lead them back to the village unless they know how to acess the path.

cockbongo

16-10-2006, 00:05

Wooot!! I R0ckz :clap: I had no idea that the poster was talking about me, I thought it must have been someone else. I was only kidding when I wrote that though, it's an old joke, someone lands on a desert island and eventually finds it's just a tropical resort.

Didn't the writers half -joke that that was the original ending of the pilot - that they would discover that the island was really some kind of Disneyland-esque resort?

camaj

16-10-2006, 01:16

Didn't the writers half -joke that that was the original ending of the pilot - that they would discover that the island was really some kind of Disneyland-esque resort?

Are you saying I should ask for royalities? I'm not that greedy

Pablo_Escobar

16-10-2006, 07:24

Cant believe nobodys metioned the most important point from this episode... Kate still has no knickers on!! :clap:

Just reading through this thread and thats the thing i noticed too!! Everyone mention the Kiss WTF? No knickers and a nice scene with kate bending over to reveal the goods :nuts: :luv:

Pistol

19-10-2006, 09:01

Re: the food drops - why is everyone assuming that because there was a parachute, the food was dropped by Dharma?

As was pointed out last season, if it had been dropped from the sky someone on the beach would have heard / seen the plane. I've always thought that the food 'drops' were part of the hatch psychological experiment - lock the occupants in, leave supplies with parachute attached, hey presto the hatch operators continue to believe they are being remotely resupplied.

And as the island seems to have been set up to be a pretty self-contained unit, who's to say how much Dharma-branded supplies were stashed on the island? When they first found the hatch, Hurley was checking out the best-before dates on the food, and it all seemed to have a ridiculously long shelf-life. Obviously the island was sufficiently stocked to last a long time cut off from resupply.

I think it's the Others who leave the supply drops in the jungle.

CrowHitsJet

19-10-2006, 19:09

unrealnils

13-11-2006, 17:52

Juliet is so fit !

statto

20-11-2006, 11:36

A bump for this as it's been shown on sky now.

I think there were echoes of "The Matrix" in this episode as Jack was woken up underwater just as Neo was. The comment about not making soup for Ben drew parallels between his character and Cypher and Juliet's character and Trinity's.

Why have they burnt Kate's clothes but left Sawyer's and Jack's? If the clothes were contaminated in some way what would be the point of letting Kate change and then allowing her to mix with Sawyer? Also, I can't remember this, but was Sawyer given an injection? I remember Kate and Jack removing cotton patches from their arms, but not Sawyer.

GAmbrose

20-11-2006, 12:15

The Matrix? If you say so.... :cuckoo:

Gary A

Pummra

20-11-2006, 13:10

That's perhaps the craziest connection I've heard to date about Lost.

Cha

20-11-2006, 13:34

This show has 'lost' it if the first two episodes of this season are anything to go by. Nonsense is one thing, boring nonsense is another.

GAmbrose

20-11-2006, 15:14

That's perhaps the craziest connection I've heard to date about Lost.

And I've heard some KERAZY **** :D

Gary A

MrHat001

20-11-2006, 17:38

I think there were echoes of "The Matrix" in this episode as Jack was woken up underwater just as Neo was. The comment about not making soup for Ben drew parallels between his character and Cypher and Juliet's character and Trinity's.
I must admit that the "you never made me soup" comment did make me think of the matrix... but only in passing.

Also I think Ben's comment could have been while he was dating Juliet. So I'm not assuming that he used to be a prisoner like Jack is.

And I must say that Sawyer is just the coolest character so far this season. I loved the "it only took the bears two hours" line from the 1st episode.

gravesend46

20-11-2006, 22:59

Has nobody noticed that Sun's father - http://www.patriotresource.com/lost/pics/characters/paik.jpg - is actually an alien: http://www.starwars.com/episode-i/fun/snapshot/2000/06/img/18563_bg.jpg

Stu G

21-11-2006, 16:30

Unless I missed it, neither Sun, Jin or Sayid made any mention as to the "explosion", the noise, the white light etc.. from the Swan hatch either at the end of season 2 or during this episode. Surely this would be on the front of anyone's mind, especially Sayid if he is so convinced that Jack wouldn't be returning as he'd been captured.

WhiteKnight

23-11-2006, 14:45

As things develop we are discoving that each character has been reposinsible in some way for other people losing their lives. The Sawyer\Kate\Sayid examples being pretty obvious, and now we learn that even the quiet ones have been complaisant in other peoples deaths...
Sun/Jin - death of fancy man (and I bet that maid from when she was a kid got what was due as well)
Jack - responsible for his father drinking again - ultimately drinking himself to death.

I recon the flashbacks will show how each character is responsible in some ways for other's deaths. And this is ultimately why they are all on the island.

gravesend46

23-11-2006, 14:49

CrowHitsJet

23-11-2006, 20:40

Good point - even 'Dave' jumps from a cliff because of Hurley.

Locke could be considered responsible for Boone's death.

Eko for his brother.

Charlie/Clare... have they been responsible for anyone dying?
Most of them have actively killed somebody.

Eko shot a man dead when he and his brother were children.
Hugo broke the deck and two people died.
Kate has killed. She shot one of the others.
Sawyer killed that unfortunate bloke in Aus.
Ana-Lucia killed the guy that shot her.
Sayid killed his superior officer who tried to make him torture his girl.
Later, Charlie killed Ethan.
Michael killed Ana and Libby.
Desmond killed Kelvin.

Sun shot Colleen, watch that space.

There are a few people that haven't killed. Jin, if you don't blame him for Jae's defenestration. Claire. Jack? I wonder if Rose and Bernard have a few secrets buried under the patio. I don't think there's necessarily anything in it, the fact that they've almost all of them been responsible for somebody's death, but it might not be mere coincidence.

WhiteKnight

24-11-2006, 08:18

I don't think there's necessarily anything in it, the fact that they've almost all of them been responsible for somebody's death, but it might not be mere coincidence.

I don't know (to my knowledge) any one who has killed someone. To have all those people who have, together on a plane. Can't be a coincidence as it'd never happen in real life...

Hang on, Desert Island, Polar Bears, Stange Mist, Plane Crash with survivors, white lights, Healing powers....

I'll get my coat.

cjanderson

27-11-2006, 09:01

just seen the first 2, was liking the houses they have at the start but again, so many new questions thrown up.

And weird not seeing any of the other islanders at all bar 6 of them, were the rest off on holiday?

shall try not to think too much about it this year, just enjoy sawyer with top off moments :n0rty:

snowball

14-12-2006, 21:52

hmm just caught this on the Sky+ so I am a few episodes behind. To be honest Im at the point now where I will still watch it, but the curiosity is slowly dying away and Im not really that eager to catch the next episode. I think theyre dragging this out far longer than its really worth, and people will slowly begin to lose interest as the writers draw out more questions than answers.

I wouldnt be surprised if a government secret experiments angle is added in future episodes. The 'Others' could be part of some ongoing government / military experiment. Most people are expecting the island to be some sort of Truman Show or Michael Douglas 'The Game' - i think thats far too obvious and i hope it does reach some interesting conclusion...

Its very frustrating to see 'The Others' 'winning' all the time, would be good if we could occasionally see Jack and co getting one over on them just to keep the balance

IN short, I'll probably stick with it, but certainly not enthusiastic right now. Any others feeling the same way?