View Full Version : Jericho S01E02 **Spoilers**
Just watched this and not too bad again. Predictable stuff though with the "cops".
Not sure why the Atlanta cop is hiding the truth just yet, but what with Denver, Atlanta, Philadelphia, Chicago, San Diego and at least 3 other cities nuked, definitely not an accident now...............not quite sure how you would get that many nukes into the country unless they're going the conspiracy route of 9/11 where the US government and/or military did it.
Hope they have enough food and water in the salt mine as they're going to be there for quite a while I'm betting as the area will be rather hot radiation wise. Can't see them popping out of the town hall to dig them out.......and di they have a geiger counter I wonder?
robzinski
28-09-2006, 13:59
Not sure why the Atlanta cop is hiding the truth just yet, but what with Denver, Atlanta, Philadelphia, Chicago, San Diego and at least 3 other cities nuked, definitely not an accident now
Would you want to be the bearer of such bad news? At a time when they needed everyone to stay calm and stay indoors revealing such news would create panic.
Really enjoyed this episode. The cast seem pretty good, and you can see seeds being sown for further stories. Hope this gets given a decent chance.
Another solid episode I felt. Made all the better for the lack of the sudden onslaught of a well known song.
Some of the writing is sometimes rather dumb though. Firstly the guy wanting to die playing pool with his friends .... I mean WTF!
And secondly, the absolutely crass conversation at the end between Emily and Jake "its never safe around you" ...... :lol: He's just risked his life to come and save her and she treats him like crap. Made no sense what so ever, obviously just put there because the writers wanted to somehow point out the subplot about their past.
Would you want to be the bearer of such bad news? At a time when they needed everyone to stay calm and stay indoors revealing such news would create panic.
I'm sure he has motives as to why he isn't saying anything.........from the conversation with his wife, he appears to be some sort of know-it-all control freak or similar.
Could be hinting that he had something to do with the nukes........ i.e anti-us citizen who is a nuclear physicist or something eg rogue element of the military? Seemed to know a bit more about radiation etc than anyone else (although not exactly secret knowledge).....
I personally would want to know what was happening and wouldn't be sitting around idle like most of them.
Another solid episode I felt. Made all the better for the lack of the sudden onslaught of a well known song.
Some of the writing is sometimes rather dumb though. Firstly the guy wanting to die playing pool with his friends .... I mean WTF!
Town hardman obviously.......ignorant of radiation.
Not exactly dumb writing though. As far as he was concerned, someone had nuked Denver, and sometime soon, Jericho would be also nuked and he would rather die doing something he enjoyed with his friends than cower/hide out in a basement somewhere as it would be quick and painless that way.
I'm sure he has motives as to why he isn't saying anything.........from the conversation with his wife, he appears to be some sort of know-it-all control freak or similar.
Could be hinting that he had something to do with the nukes........ i.e anti-us citizen who is a nuclear physicist or something eg rogue element of the military? Seemed to know a bit more about radiation etc than anyone else (although not exactly secret knowledge).....
I personally would want to know what was happening and wouldn't be sitting around idle like most of them.
Town hardman obviously.......ignorant of radiation.
Not exactly dumb writing though. As far as he was concerned, someone had nuked Denver, and sometime soon, Jericho would be also nuked and he would rather die doing something he enjoyed with his friends than cower/hide out in a basement somewhere as it would be quick and painless that way.
Yeh I understand what he meant .... the set up and execution of it was dumb.
robzinski
28-09-2006, 21:17
Not exactly dumb writing though. As far as he was concerned, someone had nuked Denver, and sometime soon, Jericho would be also nuked and he would rather die doing something he enjoyed with his friends than cower/hide out in a basement somewhere as it would be quick and painless that way.
Or, perhaps he'd watched too many episodes of Smallville and wanted to take a chance on getting special powers? :suspect:
sleepy67
29-09-2006, 00:10
Not sure why the Atlanta cop is hiding the truth just yet, but what with Denver, Atlanta, Philadelphia, Chicago, San Diego and at least 3 other cities nuked, definitely not an accident nowSomeone has posted elsewhere that the morse code wasnot a list of cities, the bit we heard was...ode delta code delta 2 minute warning u...
Not bad, not bad at all. Shame that they resolved the escaped prisoners plotline so quickly, would have been better for that to run. And a shame that the convicts were so obvious - dodgy beard, neck tatoo and so on.
Certainly seems to show how ill prepared the town is, as I am sure any town or city would be. Though I am surprised there has not been widespread looting of the grocery store as you would expect - everyone seemed very orderly as they took the tinned goods and liquids out of there.
Not sure what to make of the ex-cop from St Louis. He certainly seems to have injected himself right into the middle of things with his skills and knowledge, and has a plausible explanation for everything he knows. But we all know there is not something right. Why did he hide the list of cities hit? Is he in on it? My thought was maybe he knows that if people are faced with the enormity of what has happened, they will just give up, and that keeping them ignorant of the true extent is the best way to keep them all going. Mind you, why does he have this room he locks from his own family? With a map of the US and pins for the pinboard? :suspect:
Not sure how anyone is going to decontaminate all the vehicles without protective suits, but I guess we have to accept a degree of poetic licence in the tale.
And I am guessing that this is supposed to be more than just a terrorist attack. I seem to recall from the first episode that the President was giving a speech about "the current crisis". I am guessing that is supposed to give the impression that some enemy is threatening them, and so I was not surprised as the list of cities kept growing past the couple we knew about last week. And I doubt it was just three more, I got the impression the way that the camera focused on the pin drawer that they were eventually going to run out of pins :(
sleepy67
30-09-2006, 13:10
Not sure how anyone is going to decontaminate all the vehicles without protective suits, but I guess we have to accept a degree of poetic licence in the tale.Fallout = radioactive dust. And the suits people wear don't offer any more protection from radiation than normal clothes. They prevent particles being breathed in, or sticking to normal clothes, hair skin, footware and being transported into an uncontaminated area.
Starting from one hour after the event the radioactivity from the fallout drops to 10% of what it was every time the time increase by 7.
After 7 hours it drops to 10%
After 7 * 7 = 49 hours it drops to .1 * .1 = 0.01 (1%)
After 49 * 7 = 343 hours (~2 weeks) it drops to 0.1%
After 343 * 7 = 2401 hours ( 100 days) it drops to 0.01%
After 6 months the reduction rate increases until about 2 - 3 years post event when the curve flattens out to 0.0001%
A basement will reduce your exposure by about 10 - 250 times depending on depth and height of building above. Which is about the same for sheltering in the middle of a tower block. A shelter or deep basement will reduce exposure by 1000. Simply being inside a house will reduce your exposure by half.
Another rule of thumb is that if you cannot see the dust then their isn't going to be enough activity to kill you.
Assuming Denver was hit with a single 1Mt device (ground burst) then by the time the fallout reached Jericho at 200miles and 20 hours later it would emit 0.1Gy [10 rads] per hour. At that level an adult (N=1, Q=1) would absorb 0.1Sv [10 rems] per hour. Thus a mild case of radiation poisoning would be likely after 10 hours of exposure. It would take 30 - 40 hours to absorb a dose that would likely lead to death after 30 days of ill health. You wouldn't feel any ill effects of being continually exposed to the fallout for 5 - 15 hours.
The fallout from a few bombs being detonted in cities isnot going to be a major problem.
Vulcan101
30-09-2006, 15:04
On the other hand the weapons would in all probablity have been ground bursts ie very dirty. Whilst the radiatyion may decrease over time there would still be some nasty and long lived by-products from a detonation including Ceasium 137, Strontium 90, Iodine and Plutonium 239 and 240, Uranium 235 and 238 from the weapons themselves.
The cities would likely burn for days - modern cities contain a lot of plastics, oil storage, timber in buildings, industrial complexes etc some of which are toxic pollutants in their own right.
ASFAIR in the 80's some scientists said that just 50 or so weapons could trigger a nuclear winter; in the publicity material for the show they stated 80 US cities had been hit, that being the case there should be some weather disturbances etc
.....in the publicity material for the show they stated 80 US cities had been hit, that being the case there should be some weather disturbances etc
Must have missed that bit of publicity, but then again, I only started watching this show when casually skimming the thread for the first ep here and seeing the words "mushroom cloud".
80 cities wouldn't exactly leave too much around would it? But then again, a US city is 5000 people plus or something I believe......
The only FUTURE SPOILER I've heard of so far is :
Some broadcast from Asia. Not sure if this is a global thing, just news of the US being totalled, or even a massive counterstrike by the military.
More conjecture until the episode airs.
Anyone think this might go all "Red Dawn" on us at some point in the series? .... I for one would love that. :D
sleepy67
01-10-2006, 10:46
On the other hand the weapons would in all probablity have been ground bursts ie very dirty. Whilst the radiatyion may decrease over time there would still be some nasty and long lived by-products from a detonation including Ceasium 137, Strontium 90, Iodine and Plutonium 239 and 240, Uranium 235 and 238 from the weapons themselves.The numbers I quoted were for a ground burst. BTW as only Pakistan, according to material in the public domain, uses U235. Everyone else uses Pu (and U238 in multi stage weapons) And the 7-10 rule still applies.The cities would likely burn for days - modern cities contain a lot of plastics, oil storage, timber in buildings, industrial complexes etc some of which are toxic pollutants in their own right.True but only dangerous down wind, and will quickly disperse into the atmosphere/breakdown/rain out. Will be a local danger only.ASFAIR in the 80's some scientists said that just 50 or so weapons could trigger a nuclear winter; in the publicity material for the show they stated 80 US cities had been hit, that being the case there should be some weather disturbances etcThe TAPPS study was based around a major nuclear exchange involving thousands of war heads world wide. A few in one country wont have an effect beyond the local region. Volcaneos like St Helens pump out way more material into the upper atmosphere than a few bombs.
According to here (http://www.city-data.com/top1.html) and assuming they hit them in order of size that would leave cities surviving with populations of around 200,000. The population of the top 80 cities is about 50m out of a total pop of 300m. Realistically over 90% of the US population would have survived such an event. As would most of its military, and industrial sites. And all of its strategic missile capability.
I think its a case of suspension of disbelief as to the effect such an attack would have on the US
lewisrichard
01-10-2006, 16:58
another good episode i liked it :)
Art Vanderlay
01-10-2006, 19:02
It only just about stayed the right side of cheesey as far as I was concerned. I will give it another couple of episodes but at the current rate it is likely to get crossed off my list.
I think the poster in the thread for the pilot who said "I want to know what is going to happen, but I don't care what just happened" has it spot on.
chillster76
01-10-2006, 21:06
I guess I'm on my own in thinking this was embarrassingly bad then. Hey ho. I'm a bit curious to know what happens, but I think I'll stick to reading the synopsis each week.
Clearly not a terrorist attack then, the number of nukes and the two minute warning all point at a missile strike by Russia I guess. Maybe they had a rogue general go nuts or something. Presumably also then, they were air bursts, assuming that is how a missile stike is designed to work (I'm not an expert in these things).
I guess I'm on my own in thinking this was embarrassingly bad then.
Nope, you're not the only one! ;)
Vulcan101
02-10-2006, 01:11
What two minute warning was that? If there was any warning at all the last thing anyone would have seen on the TV would have been the Secret Service going hyperactive and dragging the President off stage in an attempt to get him to a place of safety; instead all we got was the President starting to deliver a speech and then static.
If the weapons had been launched by ballistic missiles from Russia then the US would have had some 20-30 mins warning not two minutes. Even if the weapons had been launched from ballistic missile subs off the US coast, it would have taken them at least 4-5 mins to get to Denver. Everything points to a carefully planned and coordinated attack using weapons smuggled into the US and detonated simultaneously.
Concrete Donkey
02-10-2006, 08:23
Who wants to place bets on an alien attack ? They introduced the idea with aliens by that crazy guy with the shop, discounting it out of hand but I wouldn't be suprised if they reintroduce the idea in a Lost style mystery kind of way.
Personally I'm hoping we never find out what happened, and the show concentrates on survival in post apocalyptic America. Also, who cares about Denver. I want to know if London's okay. :)
chillster76
02-10-2006, 08:55
What two minute warning was that?
Someone else mentioned up thread that the morse code was a two minute warning or something.
Everything points to a carefully planned and coordinated attack using weapons smuggled into the US and detonated simultaneously.
I was about to point out that that would be completely unfeasible, but then I remember that in TV Land, anything is possible.
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