View Full Version : Canon's new 400d digital slr camera with lens for under £500
Hello
Although Play.com (http://www.thedvdforums.com/jump2.php?url=http://playcom.at/thedvdforums) have this for £529, I was concerned that it might be a european/far east import, so went to Dixons (http://www.thedvdforums.com/jump2.php?url=http://tracker.tradedoubler.com/click?p=1468&a=60823&g=16569) who are doing it for £619, but they pricematched Cameras2U.com (http://www.thedvdforums.com/jump2.php?url=http://tracker.tradedoubler.com/click?p=20266&a=60823&g=634508)price at £549 if you email them.
Sent me a code to bring it down to the same price, however use the forums code for £50 off a £500 spend and it comes in at under £500. If you have an egg money credit card you can save even more :)
did u ask dixons if they would price match play.com ?
did u ask dixons if they would price match play.com ?
They don't, there's a list of online retailers they price match with on the dixons site
Spectre07
13-09-2006, 21:23
498.90 (http://www.abc-digital-cameras.co.uk/shop/product.php?xProd=4896&a=adword)
kingjames
13-09-2006, 22:04
Sounds a billy bargain to me. This is a decent improvement over the 350D.
toadoftoadhall
13-09-2006, 22:21
whats the forum code thing ?
and thats a great price
toad
Hello
Although Play.com (http://www.thedvdforums.com/jump2.php?url=http://playcom.at/thedvdforums) have this for £529, I was concerned that it might be a european/far east import, so went to Dixons (http://www.thedvdforums.com/jump2.php?url=http://tracker.tradedoubler.com/click?p=1468&a=60823&g=16569) who are doing it for £619, but they pricematched Cameras2U.com (http://www.thedvdforums.com/jump2.php?url=http://tracker.tradedoubler.com/click?p=20266&a=60823&g=634508)price at £549 if you email them.
Sent me a code to bring it down to the same price, however use the forums code for £50 off a £500 spend and it comes in at under £500. If you have an egg money credit card you can save even more :)
Where can I find the £50 off link ? :doh:
spearce8
13-09-2006, 23:14
This is a decent improvement over the 350D.
How's this compare to the 20d though, or better still the 30 :)
Spooky_uk
13-09-2006, 23:21
Where can I find the £50 off link ? :doh:
another lurker shows themself when a bargain forces them to post :lol: try a search... ;)
good price, nice work, rugman :thumbs:
anyone else trying to decide whether to go for the 400d or 30d ? :shrug:
Spectre07
14-09-2006, 07:49
£498...without a lens! :doh:
anyone else trying to decide whether to go for the 400d or 30d ? :shrug:Doesn't the fact the 30D being 200 quid more make up your mind for you?
Here's (http://www.pcw.co.uk/personal-computer-world/hardware/2163819/canon-eos-400d) a review, might help
as it mentions which functions have been ported over to the 400D from the 30D.
anyone else trying to decide whether to go for the 400d or 30d ? :shrug:
Doesn't the fact the 30D being 200 quid more make up your mind for you?
The 30D still has a magnesium ally body to make it more durable and the speed dial on the rear of the xxD bodies makes for much faster shooting. I think if I was buying now I'd still pick up the 30D of the 2 the extra 2MP of the 400D isn't much and I know had I bought a 300D over the 10D I would have probably have bust it by now.
On the flip side £200 would go a long way to a much better lens than the frankly naff kit lens.
The 30D still has a magnesium ally body to make it more durable and the speed dial on the rear of the xxD bodies makes for much faster shooting. I think if I was buying now I'd still pick up the 30D of the 2 the extra 2MP of the 400D isn't much and I know had I bought a 300D over the 10D I would have probably have bust it by now.
On the flip side £200 would go a long way to a much better lens than the frankly naff kit lens.
What makes it harder is that is over £250 more than this deal for a 30d anywhere !!
Spectre07
14-09-2006, 08:53
The 30D still has a magnesium ally body to make it more durable and the speed dial on the rear of the xxD bodies makes for much faster shooting. I think if I was buying now I'd still pick up the 30D of the 2 the extra 2MP of the 400D isn't much and I know had I bought a 300D over the 10D I would have probably have bust it by now.
Wow! Steady on there! This doesn't make any sense to me. You're just firing out a series of D numbers. I thought the poster wanted to make up his mind between the 400D and 30D?
On the flip side £200 would go a long way to a much better lens than the frankly naff kit lens.I overlooked that point. I've had a Canon EOS 300 camera for years with some very good lenses. Are the camera bodies interchangable? Could I use these with the Canon digital SLR's?
It's now £539 at Cameras2U.com (http://www.thedvdforums.com/jump2.php?url=http://tracker.tradedoubler.com/click?p=20266&a=60823&g=634508)
Matholwch
14-09-2006, 10:15
Wow! Steady on there! This doesn't make any sense to me. You're just firing out a series of D numbers. I thought the poster wanted to make up his mind between the 400D and 30D?
These are old camera models, giving examples where cheap and new stats of the consumer DSLRs don't always make them a far better choice than the prosumer DSLRs.
I overlooked that point. I've had a Canon EOS 300 camera for years with some very good lenses. Are the camera bodies interchangable? Could I use these with the Canon digital SLR's?
Yes they will. :)
what about the self-cleaning ccd/dust removal on the 400d ? is that good enough to swing a decision ? rather than durability, how about rust-proofing ?
monkey_d_luffy
14-09-2006, 10:34
The 30D is a better choice. The kit lens is actually pretty good for wide-angle work, though you'd want to invest in the superb Canon 50mm f1.8 too (it's about £70).
Edit: Depends how serious you are about photography. For many users the 400D is actually going to be a better buy.
I've used film slr's for 20 years, but have held off going the dslr route till the dust settles (never been an early adopter, been using Canon a40/a75 dig compacts in the meantime).
Priority would be rust-resistance, but with enough spec to last me 10 years (I only upgrade when I have to). I do look after my kit; it may get used solidly for a weekend, then get shelved for a fortnight.
I've already got Canon's 50mm/f1.8, bought for my barely-used eos300/rebel (whatever) film camera, so I'll be sticking with Canon.
30d/400d ... hmm ... ! :?:
Matholwch
14-09-2006, 10:55
It all really depends on whether using the DSLR might re-ignite your interest in photography, so that you'd use it more often. Also bear in mind that the 400D and 350D are quite small in your hands (even more so if you've large hands).
rut-proofing? Not an issue. The references to magnesium-alloy body are to do with being slightly more robust and nicer feel in your hand (the old 300D felt very plasticy).
If you're not likely to change your usage pattern (weekend here and there). Go for the 400D. I had the Eos 300 film camera, then bought the Canon A70, and later moved to DSLRs.
monkey_d_luffy
14-09-2006, 11:14
Priority would be rust-resistance, but with enough spec to last me 10 years (I only upgrade when I have to). I do look after my kit; it may get used solidly for a weekend, then get shelved for a fortnight.
I've already got Canon's 50mm/f1.8, bought for my barely-used eos300/rebel (whatever) film camera, so I'll be sticking with Canon.
30d/400d ... hmm ... ! :?:
Seriously, I doubt that any digital SLR will last for ten years. The sensor will burn out way before then (if you use it a lot, of course). Anyway, even 10 megapixels will be shockingly obselete in ten years.
Radiohead
14-09-2006, 11:35
I've never heard of a sensor burning out....shutters wearing out yes, but they're replaceable.
Spectre07
14-09-2006, 11:40
Yes they will. :)That's great, gives me a few more options e.g look out for an offer on a 30D body or go for a 400D either way I'll be able to use my old lenses.
Anyway, even 10 megapixels will be shockingly obselete in ten years.I don't think so. We've got a photographer at work and he says, unless you're going to blow up all your photos into large prints e.g. A3 and above, 8 megapixels are sufficient for most people.
monkey_d_luffy
14-09-2006, 11:48
I've never heard of a sensor burning out....shutters wearing out yes, but they're replaceable.
Sensors are only good for so many shots. They will eventually begin to degrade and fail. You'd need to take a lot of shots, but I estimate that I'd take around 25,000 shots per year.
monkey_d_luffy
14-09-2006, 11:50
I don't think so. We've got a photographer at work and he says, unless you're going to blow up all your photos into large prints e.g. A3 and above, 8 megapixels are sufficient for most people.
That's true, but you'll have much less flexibility than everyone else.
Radiohead
14-09-2006, 11:56
Sensors are only good for so many shots. They will eventually begin to degrade and fail. You'd need to take a lot of shots, but I estimate that I'd take around 25,000 shots per year.
I'd wager the sensor will last way, way longer than a shutter and a decent body is rated for 150,000 clicks. Even at 25,000 shots a year (and that's an awful lot, so I'm assuming you're a pro as it equates to 68 shots a day, every day - my shooting 10 weddings a year would be between 10-13k a year and that's spread across 2 bodies) that shutter will last you 6 years and is then replaceable. There are pros still shooting the very first DSLR's and as I said I've never heard of "sensor burnout" being an issue worth worrying about. Not unless you're using MLU and pointing yor camera at the sun anyway.
OT mind, so feel free to continue this over in the camera forum.
Wow! Steady on there! This doesn't make any sense to me. You're just firing out a series of D numbers. I thought the poster wanted to make up his mind between the 400D and 30D?
Canon so far have had 2 ranges of there lower end DSLR's (ie not Pro bodies) the xxD series and the cheaper xxxD series prior to the 400D the xxxD model has been a poorer cousin of the xxD cutting a few functions, having a plastic body and loosing the IMO very useful command dial which allows for faster changes of settings.
Hope that makes sense.
what about the self-cleaning ccd/dust removal on the 400d ? is that good enough to swing a decision ? rather than durability, how about rust-proofing ?
Cleaning I think I've had to do mine 3 times in about 3 and a half years. It's not really that much of a problem. If you get one and it's an issue drop me a mail as your from Preston I could help you out. Rust? :lol:
Priority would be rust-resistance, but with enough spec to last me 10 years
Have you got sausage fingers and keep hitting R in stead of D? or are you worried about Camera corrosion? Not heard of it as an issue, ever. If you have got sausage fingers (like me) might be another factor you need to look at in your choice as the 400 will possibly be quite small compared with your previous SLR.
regarding the lenses all your EF lenses will fit the 400D or 30D but some of there lenses EFs won't fit your film camera.
One thing about lenses - not all older third party lenses work with dslrs - One of my old Sigma lenses didn't work at all but those nice people at Sigma gave me a great deal on a trade in to a new lens.
If you're thinking of keeping a camera for many years (10 is frankly ridiculous) then go for the 30d - the extra cost is worth it just for its robustness
timbuk231
14-09-2006, 14:13
Thanks to the original poster - ingenious ! :thumbs:
I've got a price match code from Dixons online, but I'm struggling with the £50 off code. Has anyone actually tried using it today / this afternoon ?
Unless I'm using the wrong one (quite possible) I just get "voucher has expired". I've tried entering it before and after the price match code - same result. :(
Ho hum....
Sensors are only good for so many shots. They will eventually begin to degrade and fail. You'd need to take a lot of shots, but I estimate that I'd take around 25,000 shots per year.
Nonsense.
I have a D60 that has taken well over 400,000 shots since 2002 and bar a shutter replacement in 2004 it is still going strong with no difference in image quality whatsoever - nor has it gained any dead pixels in that time.
mbuckhurst
14-09-2006, 15:02
Sensors are only good for so many shots. They will eventually begin to degrade and fail. You'd need to take a lot of shots, but I estimate that I'd take around 25,000 shots per year.
that's a fact of life with all integrated electronic circuits, eventually they will fail, in the case of flash memory for instance this manifests itself as a maximum number of write cycles, I'd imagine the same would be true of a CMOS or CCD sensor in this case though the number of photos taken.
In practice though the number of rewrite cycles for flash is in the millions, so presumably a CCD on a camera would also be happy with a million+ exposures, thus rendering the whole thing largely irrelevant, since your camera is going to use quite a few more shutters, buttons and other components, in that time, that a replacement will be bought long before the CCD fails.
mike
I'm struggling with the £50 off code. Has anyone actually tried using it today / this afternoon ?
Unless I'm using the wrong one (quite possible) I just get "voucher has expired". I've tried entering it before and after the price match code - same result. :(
It looks like the code has indeed expired. :brickwall
If anyone is aware of any good Dixons discount code, please do let us know.
I would not worry too much about the difference betwene 10 and 8 megapixels. On width the difference is ~400 pixels. If you want to print your images and have them looking truely excellent you want to print at 300dpi. At this resolution the difference between 8 and 10 megapixels is 1.4 inches, ie very little. Anyway if you know what you are doing you can easily print at A3 from an 8 megapixel camera.
I would deffinately avoid the kit lense. I thought it was ok when I got my 350d but on close inspection of many of my images I could really see its weaknesses, frankly its pants. I subsequently borrowed a canon 17-85 efs lense off a friend with a 20d and was stunned how much better the results where. That was my first additional lense purchase or several.
I can only think of one reason to get the kit lense. When you come to sell the camera on ebay when you inevitably upgrade you will have a lense to sell it with. Otherwise its rubbish, do yourself a favour and buy a proper lense. Most magazine reviews state that the 18-50 sigma lense is much better than the kit lense if you can't afford anything a little more fancy.
Be warned buying the camera is just the start, all the other bits you will buy afterwards will soon add up to much more. You can never have too many lenses, then theres a flash, tripod, bags... Soon adds up!
toadoftoadhall
14-09-2006, 19:12
- my shooting 10 weddings a year would be between 10-13k a year and that's spread across 2 bodies
1000 shots for a wedding! Just done one, 46 shots on my Hassleblad, and about 80 digital. Boy you do like shooting.
toad, looking to buy the Canon 400D, now about that £50 discount ???
The only Dixons discount code that will work on cameras is the 5% off code which you will find on discount forums with a bit of searching.
kingjames
14-09-2006, 22:51
Nonsense.
I have a D60 that has taken well over 400,000 shots since 2002 and bar a shutter replacement in 2004 it is still going strong with no difference in image quality whatsoever - nor has it gained any dead pixels in that time.
Okay, okay, sensors last forever. I think we all get the point.
kingjames
14-09-2006, 22:54
I would deffinately avoid the kit lense. I thought it was ok when I got my 350d but on close inspection of many of my images I could really see its weaknesses, frankly its pants. I subsequently borrowed a canon 17-85 efs lense off a friend with a 20d and was stunned how much better the results where. That was my first additional lense purchase or several.
I've been using the 18-55mm kit lens for a long time - it's a great lens for the money. You have to spend £250+ for a better one, put it that way. It's crap at 40mm or above, but fine below that.
Anybody used "Red-onions" before?
http://www.red-onions2.co.uk/canon-400d-digital-camera-body-only-black-p-10343.html
Looks like £471 delivered (body only) from a UK company
Anybody used "Red-onions" before?
http://www.red-onions2.co.uk/canon-400d-digital-camera-body-only-black-p-10343.html
Looks like £471 delivered (body only) from a UK company
You can always print out the page and take it to Jessops. As long as its a UK company, showing as "in-stock" and the date of the print out is the day you go to Jessops they will price match :thumbs:
diydestruction
17-09-2006, 09:39
for those who can wait, Dixons (http://www.thedvdforums.com/jump2.php?url=http://tracker.tradedoubler.com/click?p=1468&a=60823&g=16569) currently have the body + kit for £536.99 which seems pretty cheap, currently out of stock though... jessop stores might pricematch as people have mentioned!
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