View Full Version : The England Internationals Thread - England v Macedonia, Wednesday
How does everyone fancy their chances?
I think we'll struggle against Andorra. We always struggle against anyone quite frankly :(
sharp_circle
02-09-2006, 12:44
didn't really struggle against the euorpean champions though did we?
I don't know what the weather is like nationwide but we have been having a monsoon all day up here, seems to be easing off now otherwise the game would have been in doubt.
I'm an EnglandFans member, 12 miles away from OT and I can't be bothered going. Easy win, 4 goals +.
How does everyone fancy their chances?
I think we'll struggle against Andorra. We always struggle against anyone quite frankly :(
Absolutely!
We really really struggled against the European Champions didn't we? And as for that terrible performance against Germany in Munic? Christ, don't even get me started.....
Oh, and that perfomance against Argentina last year - absolutely dreadful.....
Oh and in 1966? We were absolutely dreadful. Really struggled there.
Oh, and the struggling perfomances just keep rolling in to the memory. That awful performance in 1996 when we really struggled, particularly against Holland when I have never seen a team struggle so much.
:cuckoo:
rbullivant
02-09-2006, 13:51
I think we need to stick the goals away, anything less than 6 would be a failure. Every team will beat Andorra so to get a good result we need to chalk up the GD
Rik
BlueDwarf
02-09-2006, 15:04
Phil Neville is playing.
Happy with a draw.
pompeyfan
02-09-2006, 15:14
Absolutely!
We really really struggled against the European Champions didn't we? And as for that terrible performance against Germany in Munic? Christ, don't even get me started.....
Oh, and that perfomance against Argentina last year - absolutely dreadful.....
Oh and in 1966? We were absolutely dreadful. Really struggled there.
Oh, and the struggling perfomances just keep rolling in to the memory. That awful performance in 1996 when we really struggled, particularly against Holland when I have never seen a team struggle so much.
:cuckoo:
Hmmm you could only recall 5 good performances in 40 years????:p lets not forget Denmark last season, Greece when qualifying for 2002 WC, Portugal in 2004 and 2006, losing to Scotland in the play-off's, N. Ireland last year, Sweden everytime we play them, Germany at Wembley, Rumania in 2000, numerous failed attempts to quailify for tournements like 1974, 1978, 1994 World Cups - when it comes to England there are a hell of a lot moree poor performances than good ones.
I'd rather Germany had beaten us 5-1 at home and we had their record in tournaments over the last 40 years.
Well we're 2-0 up and cruising at the moment. The crowd are pretty quiet, and I'm already tiring of Lawrensons jibes at Andora
TigaSefi
02-09-2006, 16:38
Seriously these teams should qualify for the qualifiyers!!!! What the bleedin' point! :|
Andorra are as poor as it gets :|
Jesus, we are struggling here! :(
BlueDwarf
02-09-2006, 16:54
Wonder if Lampard will come on in the 2nd half?
TigaSefi
02-09-2006, 16:57
Wonder if Lampard will come on in the 2nd half?
:lol: :notworthy :thumbs: :lol:
Pisces Iscariot
02-09-2006, 17:00
Andorra are as poor as it gets :|
Apparently Luxembourg are still the worst team in Europe as they haven't won a match since 1995. :nuts:
Easy win, 4 goals +.
Who's the daddy?
sleep4ever
02-09-2006, 17:34
Worst commentary I've heard on an England match
soberion
02-09-2006, 17:37
Hargreaves or Gerrard for MOM? Both been fantastic. Hargreaves could have had a hatrick by now. I'll go for Gerrard for the goal and his setup play.
TigaSefi
02-09-2006, 17:39
Hargreaves was unlucky not to score!
Spooksta
02-09-2006, 17:41
They should take Robinson off and get another striker on. Would be a 1st in international football :thumbs:
http://img333.imageshack.us/img333/7391/cbgcm0.gif (http://imageshack.us)
Worst commentary I've heard on an England match
Spooksta
02-09-2006, 17:44
Hargreaves or Gerrard for MOM? Both been fantastic. Hargreaves could have had a hatrick by now. I'll go for Gerrard for the goal and his setup play.
Robinson for Man of the match tbh :)
sleep4ever
02-09-2006, 17:45
[QUOTE=simon75][QUOTE]
Oi :lol:
Lawrenson at his patronising worst
And another smug reminder that Gary Linkeker played football once
Should have turned it down and had Radio 5 Live instead
pompeyfan
02-09-2006, 17:48
I don't know how they did it, but England have made a 5-0 win look boring.
I don't know how they did it, but England have made a 5-0 win look boring.
That's cos they did it without getting out of first gear :nuts:
BlueDwarf
02-09-2006, 17:55
I don't know how they did it, but England have made a 5-0 win look boring.
Mainly down to Andorra being ***** and providing no resistance whatsoever.
Simple 5-0, but yet another dire competitve match from Lampard. No goals, no assists, utterly shown up by Gerrard.
Downing/Hargreaves/Gerrard/Lennon to start midweek hopefully.
Steve Gerrard was playing that game in first gear and still looked a class above everybody. Tremendous performance from him in all areas and a cracking goal as well. Peter 'Goal Machine' Crouch's record at this level is just insane now but I expect people will still get their digs in though :oh-hum:
I was hoping that when the subs came along we would replace lampard with lennon and move gerrard infield. Lampard just looked bored as if he'd rather be elsewhere.
Playing Andorra is like playing a team that only have ten players, did Paul Robinson either have to take a goal kick or even touch the ball ?
I was happy with the performance but no doubt some will moan that we never got double figures. This is one of these games where England are in a no win situation and the result and the three points are the most important thing.
I think Lampard was operating under instructions from Mourinho as its the only excuse for such a tepid effort from him.
BlueDwarf
02-09-2006, 18:01
Peter 'Goal Machine' Crouch's record at this level is just insane now but I expect people will still get their digs in though :oh-hum:
No pace, no strength, can't jump, doesn't head as well as he should, can't beat a defender, wastes too many chances.
Having a good run, no doubt about that. But nowhere near the quality of an Owen, Rooney, Shearer, etc.
And scores goals in abundance which is pretty handy too :oh-hum:
sleep4ever
02-09-2006, 18:05
And scores goals in abundance which is pretty handy too :oh-hum:
Yep if we're playing the quality of Jamaica or Andorra
But nowhere near the quality of an Owen, Rooney, Shearer, etc.
All strikers bring something different to the team and all that matters is that Crouch keeps putting the ball in the net which at present he is doing.
If I wanted to be picky I could probably find a fault with every English striker but I don't see the need when they are doing the job for what they are there for.
Yep if we're playing the quality of Jamaica or Andorra
How many did the other strikers score in those games?
sleep4ever
02-09-2006, 18:26
How many did the other strikers score in those games?
I was playing devil's advocate
I like his attitude and effort
But the first argument against Crouch is always going to be the quality of opposition
Radiohead
02-09-2006, 18:32
It struck me as the sort of game we'd have laboured to win under Sven-ah.
Gerrard is a different player with the freedom now afforded him.
Don't get me wrong, Crouch is not the best player on the planet but his scoring record at this level is phenomenal. No England player is even remotely close to his scoring record in the last 12 months. Rooney still hasn't scored a single competitive goal since June 2004 despite facing a few hapless sides in the WC qualifiers. Crouch though keeps performing though and gives us extra depth in the forward department.
Can't be too disappointed over it. They had every man behind the ball for the whole 90 minutes and we still bagged 5. Could've and should've had a few more too.
It's nice to see us using good old fashioned wing play again though. Something that didn't happen under Sven due to the lack of pace in Becks and Cole, who likes to come inside a lot.
As long as we just keep it simple, we'll be alright. Special mention to Hargreaves who was excellent again. Downing surprised me and seems to be a lot quicker than I thought.
GProject
02-09-2006, 19:38
I'm gonna add something note directly related to the game here but it's worth saying. I was out in Manchester and the police presence was insane - I mean, they were everywhere. I guess it's quite commendable that they're so well organised during event like this, but England vs Andorra? How much trouble are they expecting?
We were almost wading through them at Piccadilly Station. I didn't even know we had that many police officers!
soberion
02-09-2006, 19:41
It's a shame Crouch gets such a hard time from the "fans", he gives all,is always trying and so far is Englands goal machine. To be honest, I really can't see Owen pulling on another England jersey except in a charitable kind of way, too many players now to simply outdo him in the pecking order. Can't judge the defence on todays result as the ball only got near our penalty area when we passed it back to Robinson.
Although Defoe got 2 goals, not convinced he's the right partner upfront, I can see the main strikeforce going ahead being Rooney / Crouch.
Still can't get over how good Hargreaves has been since the World Cup. I officially eat my hat for calling him crap in the past and appologise to the few who saw the true potential in him. Thank god ManU didn't get him in the transfer window ;)
TigaSefi
02-09-2006, 20:20
Hargreaves is awesome but he definitely needs to be played in the right position. Meaning Lampard had to go! even my dad said he was lousy!
George vader
02-09-2006, 20:47
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Still can't get over how good Hargreaves has been since the World Cup. I officially eat my hat for calling him crap in the past and appologise to the few who saw the true potential in him.
You, me and most of the country :) :thumbs: to Owen.
AdamBrunt
02-09-2006, 22:30
I was happy with the performance but no doubt some will moan that we never got double figures. This is one of these games where England are in a no win situation and the result and the three points are the most important thing.
Until one of the better teams in the group puts 6/7 past them and knocks England out on goal difference ;)
Can't believe what I read before on the Guardian website:
Frank Lampard: 8
His role here was similar to the job he performs so often for Chelsea, although his surges forward were made easier by the opponents' lack of tightness. Striking from deep, he was liberated by the protective shield that Hargreaves provided behind him. Discounting one miscalculated free-kick, he was reliable..
If that was an 8/10 performance, god, I'd hate to see a 5/10 performance :eek:
I don't understand why Frank was kept on either, would have been much more interesting to see Gerrard move to the centre and Lennon on the right.
Today's game also showed why Beckham is no longer needed, he was shown up by people that can do his job just as good as him. Gerrard & Lennon did great jobs on the right and Hargreaves showed he's capable of striking a free kick.
Today's game also showed why Beckham is no longer needed, he was shown up by people that can do his job just as good as him. Gerrard & Lennon did great jobs on the right and Hargreaves showed he's capable of striking a free kick.
I thought our dead ball delivery was terrible, I lost count of the number of rubbish freekicks and corners cut out at the near post. Might have had something to do with Lampard's terrible form, but I think Beckham will certainly be missed in the deadball dept.
slideymoo
03-09-2006, 15:04
Id forgotton lampard was playing till he took a corner after about 70 mins, after awful games in the world cup I figured he'd have to get better eventually, but so far he hasnt. Gerrard and hargreaves were very good, I find it amusing that in the time since the 2nd game in the world cup he's gone from being someone I wouldnt have had in the squad to being one of the first players Id put in the team.
So long as crouch keeps scoring, he has to be englands first choice striker, tho it will be interesting to see how rooney will fit in.
Rooney will and should walk straight back in. It's Owen that has to worry, hopefully McLaren gives him the Beckham treatment. ;)
I was at the match yesterday with my daughter who is a Lampard 'fan'. Just after halftime she piped up with
"I don't know who we've got playing No 8, but they should take him off cos he's rubbish!"
Lampard OUT, I say. Gerrard in there and Lennon/SWP on the wing :D
AdamBrunt
04-09-2006, 10:53
Good to see that Crouch and Gerrard will both have played 180 minutes of international football this week and then be needed to play in the Mersey derby on Saturday lunchtime !!!
It's not as if Gerrard needed to play against Andorra.
TigaSefi
04-09-2006, 11:08
I was at the match yesterday with my daughter who is a Lampard 'fan'. Just after halftime she piped up with
"I don't know who we've got playing No 8, but they should take him off cos he's rubbish!"
:notworthy :lol:
That truly made my day today!
Good to see that Crouch and Gerrard will both have played 180 minutes of international football this week and then be needed to play in the Mersey derby on Saturday lunchtime !!!
It's not as if Gerrard needed to play against Andorra.
Boo hoo. It's not as either of them even broke a sweat on Saturday is it? It was nice gentle run out for them.
AdamBrunt
04-09-2006, 11:55
Boo hoo. It's not as either of them even broke a sweat on Saturday is it? It was nice gentle run out for them.
True ;)
Absolutely!
We really really struggled against the European Champions didn't we? And as for that terrible performance against Germany in Munic? Christ, don't even get me started.....
Oh, and that perfomance against Argentina last year - absolutely dreadful.....
Oh and in 1966? We were absolutely dreadful. Really struggled there.
Oh, and the struggling perfomances just keep rolling in to the memory. That awful performance in 1996 when we really struggled, particularly against Holland when I have never seen a team struggle so much.
:cuckoo:
ROFL
That had me in tears, thanking you very much. I love the way you listed the hole of Englands great preformances in 4 lines and one of them was a freindly.
1966 was 40 years ago and you wont do it again, much like Greece in 2004
but atleast we have a list :clap:
although a short one ;)
Grandmaster
04-09-2006, 17:01
Boo hoo. It's not as either of them even broke a sweat on Saturday is it? It was nice gentle run out for them.
Surely the key to success it to find a team that works and stick with it, turning them from a collection of individuals into a real team. By all means experiment on the fringes in friendlies, but the core first eleven should be playing together as much as possible.
slideymoo
04-09-2006, 17:18
ROFL
That had me in tears, thanking you very much. I love the way you listed the hole of Englands great preformances in 4 lines and one of them was a freindly.
1966 was 40 years ago and you wont do it again, much like Greece in 2004
Id say consistant quarters and semi finals in the tournys prooves you have no idea what youre talking about :)
Surely the key to success it to find a team that works and stick with it, turning them from a collection of individuals into a real team. By all means experiment on the fringes in friendlies, but the core first eleven should be playing together as much as possible.
I totally agree.
ROFL
That had me in tears, thanking you very much. I love the way you listed the hole of Englands great preformances in 4 lines and one of them was a freindly.
1966 was 40 years ago and you wont do it again, much like Greece in 2004
Idiot
Idiot
Personal attacks on other members will not be tolerated.
andybhoy
05-09-2006, 16:14
Surely the key to success it to find a team that works and stick with it, turning them from a collection of individuals into a real team. By all means experiment on the fringes in friendlies, but the core first eleven should be playing together as much as possible.
You could have told Sven :mad:
SOUNDSTYLE
06-09-2006, 13:55
First goal is all important tonight.
We should win on paper but we are away and Macedonia have nothing to lose.
I hope we can defend corners this time. :thinking:
Prediction; 2-1 to England.
Lennon and Richardson on from the start, with Gerrard and hardgrief in the middle please Steve.
Pisces Iscariot
06-09-2006, 15:19
Lennon and Richardson on from the start, with Gerrard and hardgrief in the middle please Steve.
Why would McClaren drop Downing in favour of Richardson?
lewisrichard
06-09-2006, 15:28
is this on tv tonight. cant see it listed on the bbc :(
Live on Sky then late night highlights on BBC1.
Good article on F365 about everyone's favourite midfielder, Mr F Lampard:
http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8742_1474480,00.html
While I'm not jumping on the anti-Lampard bandwagon, he does seem to have some sort of immunity from substitution. So, if he plays like he has been tonight, bring on Lennon but take Lamps off, shifting Gerrard alongside Hargreaves and Lennon down the RW.
Not rocket science is it?!
Have we scored yet?
Yeah, its 3-0 and Crouch has all three.
Oh so KO is at 8?
:thumbs:
robzinski
06-09-2006, 18:54
Did she just get the national anthem wrong?
Yowsers she murdered our anthem there :D
Horrible, horrible half. Ferdinand needs to stop playing long balls, Gerrard needs to stay out wide and the ref needs to stop blowing the whistle every 5 seconds.
Lampard Neville and Downing need to get the 1st bus home.
TigaSefi
06-09-2006, 20:02
LMFAO! Crouchy is on a roll now ;) Good chase by Hargreaves! Lumpy needs to leave the pitch now, I haven't seen him done an ounce of work :(
It was Lampard who passed to Crouch
Lampard Neville and Downing need to get the 1st bus home.
Lampard is a shadow of the player he was 18 months ago.
Neville's distribution seems to be getting worse with every game.
Downing has yet to impress at this level and his first touch is shocking.
Bobby Charltons worst nightmare has just scored again
It was Lampard who passed to Crouch
He picked up a loose ball that had bounced off him and put a poor ball into the box that was behind Crouch. I wish I could say it was a bit of the old Frank magic but :shrug:
TigaSefi
06-09-2006, 20:06
That was NOT a pass!!!
San Marino 0 v 9 Germany :eek:
San Marino 0 v 9 Germany :eek:
still with 20 mins left
He picked up a loose ball that had bounced off him and put a poor ball into the box that was behind Crouch. I wish I could say it was a bit of the old Frank magic but :shrug:
Frank always did like a deflection :D
still with 20 mins left
Its 10 now :D
soberion
06-09-2006, 20:22
FFS, listening to the 5 Live comentary on internet, first they have technical difficulties, then, for no reason it cuts me off and tells me the broadcast is only available in the UK. I didn't realise Wales had broken off from the mainland and was drifting into the atlantic.
Currently stuck with a crappy portable am radio crackling at me :(
From the BBC.
2117: Peter Crouch is treading a fine line. He is all over Nikolce Novevski like a randy octopus and concedes a free-kick. :lol:
Its 10 now :D
Could i be the first to mention German discipline ,efficiency and all round vorsprung durch technic
Its 10 now :D
Now 11, with 15 minutes left.
Seriously these games are a waste of everybody's time and FIFA need to do something about these miss-matches.
Doesn't the referee add 30 secs added time for each goal?
Now 11, with 15 minutes left.
Seriously these games are a waste of everybody's time and FIFA need to do something about these miss-matches.
Teams of a certain ranking should play qualifying games t enter the qualifying competion perhaps.
TigaSefi
06-09-2006, 20:34
Definitely. All these teams getting walloped 7-0 and more should play a pre-qualifyer! There enough small european nations to do this!
EDIT: 13-0 to Germany now! :nuts:
Definitely. All these teams getting walloped 7-0 and more should play a pre-qualifyer!
What about teams that are getting walloped 13-0 :nuts:
They shouldn't be on the international stage at all.
Thought Cole was going to knock that in himself then
What about teams that are getting walloped 13-0 :nuts:
If it carries on like this it could be embarrassing :| :nuts:
Fat Bloke
06-09-2006, 20:41
Anyone think this is better than England under Sven?
sleep4ever
06-09-2006, 20:41
FFS, listening to the 5 Live comentary on internet, first they have technical difficulties, then, for no reason it cuts me off and tells me the broadcast is only available in the UK. I didn't realise Wales had broken off from the mainland and was drifting into the atlantic.
Currently stuck with a crappy portable am radio crackling at me :(
Me too
Fed up of that message that they play
Oh wait....I am in the UK
9.15 it cut out, and no amount of hammering on the UK Version option helped
TigaSefi
06-09-2006, 20:42
San Marino are getting worse not better!
Alan b, if they did a pre-qualifyer they'll only play 2 games every 2 years ;)
Anyone think this is better than England under Sven?
Tonight was about getting the 3 points the performance would have been a bonus
sleep4ever
06-09-2006, 20:43
Tonight was about getting the 3 points the performance would have been a bonus
Blimey Mr McClaren, the match is still going :nuts:
I bet he says that word for word
Anyone think this is better than England under Sven?
Not much difference as far as I can see. The midfield is still firing on hardly any cylinders at all
Tonight was about getting the 3 points the performance would have been a bonus
We kept saying that under Sven, and when we reached the finals the lack of a decent performance was everything.
How did they play? is lumpard gonna be dropped?
Maybe El Tel will weave his magic once again!
Blimey - Lampard actually got taken off. Ok, with less than 10 minutes left, and for Carrick just to shore things up, but still a surprise!
welshmatt
06-09-2006, 20:50
When England finish flick over to sky channel 992 N.Ireland v Spain, its 2-2 with 20 mins left, been a pretty good game.
It's a good job we've got the worlds most prolific striker or we'd be stuffed.
+
Lampard got subbed
We looked solid defensively
We won
Steve G battled like a pitbull, as always. Take note Lumps.
-
Phil ain't Gary, by a long shot. Not international quality.
Downing, apart from his crossing, ain't international quality
Atrocious going forward
My pizza still ain't turned up
TigaSefi
06-09-2006, 20:58
**** me NI 3-2 up !
Bapapapa
06-09-2006, 21:03
Helay hat-trick!
Spain suck balls!! :nuts:
I'm just watching the BBC 1 England match & it's not in widescreen, yet I watched a link of the match with the same commentators & it was in widescreen.
BlueDwarf
06-09-2006, 23:09
Dull match. Always good to see England settle for, and then desperatley hold onto a 1-0 victory against mediocre teams. Please, more long balls hoofed up for Crouch, sooo good to watch!
Lampard will no doubt get the assist for the goal, despite one of his touches coming off his arse, and the other being a deflected miss-kick across the goal-mouth.
Apart from a shot at goal in the 44th minute, and a "good pass", he did bugger all.
Downing was pretty rubbish on the left, Lurch's goal hid another uninspiring performace (getting soooo angry the more his efforts at jumping give away free kicks) which meant Defoe had pretty much nothing to work with.
Good goal record against duff sides means nothing - long term he is bad for English football.
Let's face it, we are going to qualify from this group but we are a loong way off being contenders for Euro 2008.
basegreen
06-09-2006, 23:28
4:3 on sky, when live too... annoying.
and england were pretty poor IMO
England were very poor last night we did not seem to be able to string 3 passes together, after a couple of passes we just give the ball away or play a pointless long ball. very very dull.
does make you think how beckham gets dropped after average world cup but still scoring and setting goals up where as Lampard has a god awful world cup followed up with some more good awful games and still plays, wonder if the press and scum like Alan Green will rip him to pieces
DarthPearce
07-09-2006, 07:55
While Crouch keeps scoring he deserves his place in the side IMO - it's not his fault the likes of Ferdinand see his presence as a license to hoof the ball up at any chance. It was a definite penalty against him too.
Downing hasn't done enough to convince me he's worth his starting place though, I can only remember 1 decent cross in the games he's played in and he loses the ball to often when trying to beat defenders on the outside.
Poor performance all round - only Terry and Cole had a good game IMO.
I can only imagine Joe Cole will be back on the left side once back from injury. However, I am ever-so slightly concerned about McClaren and Downing's connection at club level...
We did alright - did enough to win the game and fairly comfortable at the back (aside from that flash across goal towards the end). Not brilliant but a tricky away game out of the way with all 3 points.
These games are always dreadful and it is a shame to see the long ball game creeping back in when under pressure. However, despite not even coming close to being negative, McClaren at least recognised the the team allowed themselves to be pegged back. Sven would never admit this and always say "we played quite well". At least McClaren is happy to admit that it was scrappy and ugly. How he addresses this in future is an other matter.
Also I hope that Lampard being subbed is a hint that McClaren is getting frustrated with him. He was really was poor again and it seems be getting him down. His body language is indicating that his confidence is rock bottom and sure that a decent goal will help considerably, but how long can we wait for it to come?
cheeseypuffs
07-09-2006, 08:21
What a dire performance, the old "result was everything" argument is fine if you're playing the likes of France, Argentina or Italy, but Macedonia :shrug: no disrespect to them, but they just aren't a team that should trouble a top side :oh-hum: TBH the most exciting part was the goal flashes from San Marino v Germany ;)
What a dire performance, the old "result was everything" argument is fine if you're playing the likes of France, Argentina or Italy, but Macedonia :shrug: no disrespect to them, but they just aren't a team that should trouble a top side :oh-hum: TBH the most exciting part was the goal flashes from San Marino v Germany ;)
Holland couldn't beat Macedonia home or away in the World Cup qualifiers.
I can only imagine Joe Cole will be back on the left side once back from injury. However, I am ever-so slightly concerned about McClaren and Downing's connection at club level...
We did alright - did enough to win the game and fairly comfortable at the back (aside from that flash across goal towards the end). Not brilliant but a tricky away game out of the way with all 3 points.
If Cole comes back in, then we really need A Cole and G Neville to overlap more as J Cole and Gerrard on the wings will not give us width and are prone to cut inside.
cheeseypuffs
07-09-2006, 08:48
Holland couldn't beat Macedonia home or away in the World Cup qualifiers.And do you think the Dutch fans were happy and their management were proud of the battling spirit the team showed?
TigaSefi
07-09-2006, 08:54
England main problem is keeping the ball for possession. We really need to stop panicking.
And do you think the Dutch fans were happy and their management were proud of the battling spirit the team showed?
I doubt it because they didn't win either game. By winning it does allow for McClaren and the fans to overlook the performance somewhat.
We were awful.
All these "there are no easy games at this level" is utter nonsense. Macedonia are poor part-times who would struggle to beat AFC Wimbledon.
McLaren is on the same level as $ven. He will do nothing with an England team who may be quality on paper, but appear just as disorganised and tired as they were during the world cup. The only thing he has introduced to the game is the long ball.
McLaren is the 21st centaury ebullient to Graham Taylor. Anyone expecting him to be a successful England manager are only kidding themselves or live in the Twilight Zone.
MrSpoons
07-09-2006, 12:17
I had to stop watching this last night as I was getting really ****** off with the constant out of tune warbling of the England Band murdering the Great Escape.
Can we ban trumpets from international friendlies or at least get them to learn a new repertoire of songs?
Pisces Iscariot
07-09-2006, 12:29
McLaren is the 21st centaury ebullient to Graham Taylor.
He has a problem with gas?
MaxNutter
07-09-2006, 12:35
We were awful.
All these "there are no easy games at this level" is utter nonsense. Macedonia are poor part-times who would struggle to beat AFC Wimbledon.
they drew home and away with the Netherlands in the WC2006 qualifiers, and beat Turkey in a friendly a few weeks back, so they're not that bad ...
having said that, we're not that good either ...
Regardless of how poor i think mcclaren is and sven was, the managers can only do so much. Its the players that are playing badly and showing a lack of quality every game. They need to do a lot better, all ther blame cant be put on the manager.
Regardless of how poor i think mcclaren is and sven was, the managers can only do so much. Its the players that are playing badly and showing a lack of quality every game. They need to do a lot better, all ther blame cant be put on the manager.
I have to agree. I do often wonder what percentage a manager has on a team.
I just think our players are too worn out as they play too many games per season. They always look too tired at international level.
I'll drop the league cup altogether, reduce the premiership to 18, and have a winter break when I run the F.A.
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