WWE Thread 2007 - Can be great but is often rubbish

[GregB]

Raw last night sucked

I didn't know about RVDs arrest until i read the recently closed WWE Thread but I assume that is why he dropped the belt to Edge.

The DX stuff is just puerile which Is OK for a bit but got very tiresome over the course of the show. Oh and another DX v Spirit Squad match at Saturday Night Main Event. :brickwall

[Harsin]

http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/rvdsabucharges

In the wake of being faced with five violations, including drug possession, by the Ohio State Highway Patrol, WWE.com reports that Rob Van Dam and Sabu arrived at the Wachovia Center in Philadelphia at 1:30 p.m. today and immediately went into a meeting with Vice President of Talent Relations John Laurinaitis.

Following the meeting, Mr. Laurinaitis told WWE.com that Rob Van Dam and Sabu will be eligible to compete tonight on RAW and tomorrow night at ECW on Sci Fi while an ongoing investigation is being conducted by World Wrestling Entertainment. The two men will be appearing in court Thursday morning at Ironton Municipal Court.

According to the Ironton Tribune, Rob Van Dam and Sabu were pulled over on U.S. 52, near Patrick Street in Hanging Rock, Ohio at about 10:15 p.m. Sunday night. The two were apparently driving from their performances at the Big Sandy Superstore Arena earlier in the evening.

According to the Ohio State Police, as reported by the Ironton Tribune, Van Dam was initially stopped for speeding. When troopers approached his vehicle, they smelled marijuana and performed a search. Troopers found RVD in possession of 18 grams of marijuana and five Vicodin, prescription pain pills. Sabu was charged with possession of drug paraphernalia and also had nine pills that were not immediately identifiable, but were known to be controlled substances, according to the OSHP. Both were cited and posted bond at the scene.

Cena sez don't do drugs kids! :nono:

[boonspoon]

As someone mentioned on a wrestling forum I'm on..... What time were they arrested at??? 4:20???

:D

[the_kenster]

According to the Wrestling-Observer Newsletter, a highly-ranked UFC official said that the company no longer plans to ignore WWE's public "challenges."

While UFC let Angle's storyline "open challenge" to anyone from a 4-, 6- or 8-sided ring go unaddressed, it will not be doing that in the future. If WWE attempts to put one of its wrestlers over as superior to MMA fighters, it will respond to put public pressure on WWE to make the match happen.

"Now that we have exposure, we're not going to be ignoring stuff like this. We'll go public and have Chuck Liddell accept any public challenges or claims they'll make," the source said.

I'll pay good money to see this

[joconnor]

WWE would never let one of their 'superstars' go up against a proper fighter.

[jahangir79]

WWE would never let one of their 'superstars' go up against a proper fighter.
goes without saying, WWE are just pushing their own WWE wrestlers, they wouldnt last 1 min in a shoot environment.
Maybe Angle will now stop issuing challenges such as this

[the_kenster]

Just watched the ECW show this week

RVD drops the title to the Big Show, then the crowd starting to throw things in the right. Seems like the crowd was muted after RVD was pinned. Overall, a poor show, considering they are at their "birthplace" with loads of squashes pushing the "WWE" guys over the ECW originals

[GregB]

Just watched the ECW show this week

RVD drops the title to the Big Show, then the crowd starting to throw things in the right. Seems like the crowd was muted after RVD was pinned. Overall, a poor show, considering they are at their "birthplace" with loads of squashes pushing the "WWE" guys over the ECW originals


Oh jesus that is bad. I understand why he had to drop the belt but to the Big Show :cuckoo:

ECW looks to be dead in the water now. Maybe that was Vince's intention all along :suspect:

[fadeaway53]

Edge as WWE Champ :thumbs:

Big Show as ECW Champ :gag:

And add me to the list of people who would love to see Chuck Liddell go against Angle.

[dmb6473a]

Liddell-Angle is never going to happen, due to the condition of Angle's body, and his lack of competitive training in recent years. I would've like to have seen the Kurt Angle of the late-90s in the UFC, though, because he'd have been pretty much unbeatable. His ground game would be too strong for everyone, and he'd soon iron out any weaknesses (striking, etc) due to his training regime.


You may see Brock Lesnar in the UFC in the future though. It's almost certain that he's going into MMA, and to begin with it'll be with one of the Japanese promotions. UFC have made contact with him about coming in, though. As to how he'd do, he's similar to Angle (but without as many injuries). He'd be overwhelming in taking people down, and will probably do ok striking. I don't see him being a submissions fighter, though.




As for Raw...........crap (again). The funniest part of the show was the DX clip from the previous week. This week's skits were stuck in the 1990s.

[fadeaway53]

http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/rvdsabucharges

WWE responds to charges against RVD and Sabu
By Ed Williams III
July 5, 2006

World Wrestling Entertainment earlier this week announced it was investigating five violations, including drug possession, levied against Rob Van Dam and Sabu by the Ohio State Highway Patrol. WWE announced today that based on information gathered over the past few days, Van Dam has been suspended without pay for 30 days and Sabu has been fined $1000. These actions are consistent with the Wellness Policy at WWE.

According to the Ironton Tribune, Rob Van Dam and Sabu were pulled over on U.S. 52, near Patrick Street in Hanging Rock, Ohio at about 10:15 p.m. Sunday night. The two were apparently driving from their performances at the Big Sandy Superstore Arena earlier in the evening.

According to the Ohio State Police, as reported by the Ironton Tribune, Van Dam was initially stopped for speeding. When troopers approached his vehicle, they smelled marijuana and performed a search. Troopers found RVD in possession of 18 grams of marijuana and five Vicodin, prescription pain pills. Sabu was charged with possession of drug paraphernalia and also had nine pills that were not immediately identifiable, but were known to be controlled substances, according to the OSHP. Both were cited and posted bond at the scene.

Sounds fair, although I'd have liked them to find a way to keep the title on RVD..

[dmb6473a]

The strange thing is that the WWE fine is actually larger than the one that they're expecting to get when it goes to court on Thursday ($100).

Its also strange that Sabu has gotten off without suspension. Maybe he's related to Randy Orton.

[Chuckman]

Van Dam finally got his break after all these years despite slagging off the management in the past and gets in trouble for something like this. What an idiot. :cuckoo:

Enjoy Heat as that's probably where you'll be jobbing in the future.

[internetuser]

RVD has always smoked dope tho one of the reasons he never went far outside of ecw, i thought he would have cut it back now he was in such a high place in the company.

[boonspoon]

RVD has always smoked dope tho one of the reasons he never went far outside of ecw, i thought he would have cut it back now he was in such a high place in the company.

:lol: :lol:

Did you mean that??

[richdmx]

Rumours are Kurt Angle has been suspended as well.

[john316]

Anyone in ECW left now? :lol:

[boonspoon]

Rumours are Kurt Angle has been suspended as well.

FYI......

Kurt Angle is currently taking time off due to personal reasons. Although, he is currently serving a suspension as well. Angle is on a 30 day suspension. The reason for his suspension has yet to be disclosed. Considering that Rob Van Dam is serving a 30 day suspension of his own, the reason Kurt Angle didn't suddenly come back when he's really needed was because he is "officially suspended."

[dmb6473a]

Rumours are Kurt Angle has been suspended as well.



Angle's taking a break to either get surgery and/or heal up from his various injuries. That's why he jobbed on consecutive nights to Orton and RVD the other week.

[Travis]

i've been watching raw over the past few months, and is it me, but how much wrestling actually is there? i liked the dx skit, but felt it dragged on and on!

[dmb6473a]

Just watched the ECW show: -


Another pointless striptease.
A squash match, where the crowd turned on the pushed wrestler.
Another Sandman beating.
A squash match featuring Test.
Big Show is the new champ.



How long before this show is renamed "Raw-Lite". They could even give it a more catchy name, like "Velocity". :suspect:

Still at least we saw the debut of someone who could save this product: -

CM Punk. They've even given him his Ring of Honor gimmick. We'll see how long it lasts before they start fiddling with it.

[davebower]

:suspect:

[Matt KB]

What a mess.

Stopped watching this dross now and just following it online, missing absolutely nothing.

[csf]

does anyone know what cable channels ufc and k1 come on? me kind of getting fed up with wwe, its getting crap :( with all the soap opera inside and outside the ring, titles changing hands due to stupidity.

[john316]

Surely Orton should have been fired after this?

What, so he can head straight to TNA? WWE Management will do anything they can to avoid firing anyone at the moment.

does anyone know what cable channels ufc and k1 come on? me kind of getting fed up with wwe, its getting crap :( with all the soap opera inside and outside the ring, titles changing hands due to stupidity.

UFC is on Bravo and I think K1 is on Eurosport

[NicolaUK]

What, so he can head straight to TNA? WWE Management will do anything they can to avoid firing anyone at the moment.

Which would make a mockery of the WWE's Wellness Program :shrug:

Either these policies apply to all wrestlers or none, however I would imagine if one large nosed, former 10 time Champion failed a drug test, that would all the excuse they need to push him to the moon :nono:

RVD was an idiot and I have to wonder how long is left on his WWE contract? His next program will be against The Zombie, and he'll lose.

[FireclownUK]

His next program will be against The Zombie, and he'll lose.Not so sure about that; Vince likes money; RVD in ECW = money. Sure, he'll job for a while, but he is so over with the ECW crowd that they'll have to bring him back up the card.

I think that if he was going to be fired, he'd be gone by now. Same goes for Sabu. In some ways, I bet Vince is more POd that he had to take the ECW belt off him at a point where the only viable person on the roster to hold it (from a "name" POV) was Big Show.

(I kinda have a soft spot for Show - I remember him in his WCW days doing drop kicks - so I'll be interested to see where they go with him.)

Of course, this being the Vinnie Mac method of doing things, who knows ... :shrug:

[dmb6473a]

RVD in ECW = money.


Not much of it, considering the current product direction. If it came down to it, I don't think Vince would lose much sleep after firing Van Dam.


As for Orton, it's interesting how this supposed failed drugs test is only listed on one website. None of the major news sites mention it (including the one quoted as the source of the story).

[Harsin]

I hope Orton was caught, might put a stop to this horrible Brooke/Hulk Hogan vs. Orton feud that is building. :gag:

"Well you see Mean Gene, Randy Orton called my daughter a **** and then toook a dump in her bag!"

[GregB]

I hope Orton was caught, might put a stop to this horrible Brooke/Hulk Hogan vs. Orton feud that is building. :gag:

"Well you see Mean Gene, Randy Orton called my daughter a **** and then toook a dump in her bag!"

:lol:

Thsi feud is going to both suck and blow

[fadeaway53]

Am I the only one who couldn't care less about the use of drugs in wresting. Like it or not, drugs and wrestling go hand in hand.

I can't see the point of WWE getting all high and mighty when they catch people taking drugs when they are featuring performers who are clearly taking steriods (watch the latest ECW show for an example....).

I miss Eddie as much as anybody but it should be up to the individuals what (if any) drugs they take. Wrestling is a work, it is not a competitive sport.

[john316]

I doubt the US Government would accept that ;)

[mcallisterian]

:lol:

Thsi feud is going to both suck and blow

but surely more Brooke on tv is a good thing right!? :n0rty:

[dmb6473a]

Am I the only one who couldn't care less about the use of drugs in wresting. Like it or not, drugs and wrestling go hand in hand.


I hope you are.

How many wrestlers who have died over the years have overdosed on cocaine, heroin, etc? Off the top of my head, I can't think of any.

On the other hand, how many wrestlers have died from the effects of steroids and painkillers (which they've taken so that they can keep working and not lose their job)? I lost count many years ago.

Yes, its their choice to take them, but the business has turned a blind eye for too long and isn't shy about admitting what kind of physique they prefer. If a wrestler chooses not to, thats ok. They'll just find someone else who will. When you're talking about people who know nothing but wrestling, getting another job isn't an option.

As for wrestling and drugs going hand in hand, if thats the case, then its time wrestling did something about it.

[fadeaway53]

I hope you are.

How many wrestlers who have died over the years have overdosed on cocaine, heroin, etc? Off the top of my head, I can't think of any.

On the other hand, how many wrestlers have died from the effects of steroids and painkillers (which they've taken so that they can keep working and not lose their job)? I lost count many years ago.

Yes, its their choice to take them, but the business has turned a blind eye for too long and isn't shy about admitting what kind of physique they prefer. If a wrestler chooses not to, thats ok. They'll just find someone else who will. When you're talking about people who know nothing but wrestling, getting another job isn't an option.

As for wrestling and drugs going hand in hand, if thats the case, then its time wrestling did something about it.


Wouldn't mind if it was taken seriously by Vince but how can the Wellness Program be anything other than a joke when...

a) RVD is given scripted promo's regarding pot smoking and is then suspended when, gasp, he is actually caught with pot.

b) DELETED BY POSTER!

c) Performers who are clearly on illegal substances are allowed to compete in the WWE. It doesn't take a pharmacist to work out who they are...

How can Vince seriously expect anyone to comply with it when he is undermining it at every turn. :shrug:

[fadeaway53]

On a completely different note, you have to watch this awesome promo by Rhino after being given an ECW contract offer from Vince:-

http://www.tnawrestling.com/news/fullnews2.php?all=742

[NicolaUK]

The whole drugs issue is a minefield IMHO, however, I just think about all the wrestlers who've passed away well before their time - The British Bulldog, Curt Hennig, Rick Rude to name but 3 more. I would like for the wrestlers best interests to be put before $$$.

On a completely different note, you have to watch this awesome promo by Rhino after being given an ECW contract offer from Vince:-

http://www.tnawrestling.com/news/fullnews2.php?all=742

That's a superb promo and after watching the first couple of weeks of the new ECW, he must know he's made the right choice :thumbs:

[Captain_Howdy666]

(I kinda have a soft spot for Show - I remember him in his WCW days doing drop kicks - so I'll be interested to see where they go with him.)

I think Show is ace. I've always liked him. Dropkicks? :razz: He used to be able to do top rope moonsaults. :notworthy He was meant to do one in a match with Kevin Nash years ago in WcW, but Nash pussied out. :lol: ECW is gonna be great for Show.


Just watched that Rhino promo, awesome. It's a shame though as I'd loved to have seen him in ECW, fighting to regain what should be rightfully his, Both the ECW Championship and the TV title.

[dmb6473a]

Wouldn't mind if it was taken seriously by Vince but how can the Wellness Program be anything other than a joke when...

a) RVD is given scripted promo's regarding pot smoking and is then suspended when, gasp, he is actually caught with pot.

b) Orton is caught with substances and is given a slap on the wrist due to his forthcoming program with Hogan (yet they suspended RVD who held both the WWE & ECW belts! :cuckoo: )

c) Performers who are clearly on illegal substances are allowed to compete in the WWE. It doesn't take a pharmacist to work out who they are...

How can Vince seriously expect anyone to comply with it when he is undermining it at every turn. :shrug:



I'm not sure I get your point. From what you say, you do seem to care, and do see that its Vince's responsibility.


As for the Orton situation, my earlier suspicions appear to be correct. From the Wrestling Observer: -

There has been some sort of an item regarding Randy Orton posted on some web sites attributes to the Observer. The item is made up and has never appeared in the Observer Newsletter. Orton can get into enough trouble on his own without people having to make up stuff on him. Any sites who posted anything owe Orton a major and immediate apology and should pray WWE legal doesn't come after you, because it's going to be pretty hard to defend yourself when you credit something to a newsletter you don't even read.

[Chuckman]

My opinion of the two main WWE shows at present:

RAW: Dreary as usual with the DX segments highlighting two sad men trying to revisit the glory days.

Smackdown: May contain wrestling. Will contain something that will make watching paint dry seem entertaining.

Edit: Now that new facts have sprung to life, the Randy Orton bit has been deleted.

[davebower]

As for the Orton situation, my earlier suspicions appear to be correct. From the Wrestling Observer: -
There has been some sort of an item regarding Randy Orton posted on some web sites attributes to the Observer. The item is made up and has never appeared in the Observer Newsletter. Orton can get into enough trouble on his own without people having to make up stuff on him. Any sites who posted anything owe Orton a major and immediate apology and should pray WWE legal doesn't come after you, because it's going to be pretty hard to defend yourself when you credit something to a newsletter you don't even read.

Well i'll know not to trust the site I found that on anymore.

The Orton/Hogan feud will still suck. Matches will consist of 20 minutes of rest holds followed by a Leg Drop or RKO. One to fast forward past :p

And does Brooke really think this exposure is going to help her music career? Wrestling fans won't buy her music, teenage girls might. By appearing on wrestling shows she'll become a laughing stock in the media.

[fadeaway53]

http://www.wwe.com/shows/ecw/commentary/070806diary

Diary of Violence - 7/8/06
By Tommy Dreamer
July 8, 2006


TO ALL ECW FANS:

I TAKE IT UPON MYSELF TO APOLOGIZE FOR WHAT HAPPENED THIS WEEK.

I CANNOT TRULY EXPRESS MY FEELINGS.

I AM ANGRY, ****** OFF AND TOTALLY FRUSTRATED ABOUT WHAT I HAVE BEEN SEEING IN ECW.

I NEED TO SIT BACK AND DIGEST ALL OF THIS.

IF I WRITE ABOUT WHAT IS IN MY HEAD, MY COLUMN WILL PROBABLY NO LONGER EXIST.

SORRY.

Innovator of Violence
Tommy Dreamer

:lol: :thumbs:

[fadeaway53]

Caught Smackdown this morning and thought it was actually a pretty decent show.

Amazing reaction for Batista but, my god, did that segment make Rey look like a pussy (nothing new there).

Still, good to see the big man back. :thumbs:

[boonspoon]

Did you read Joey's column on ecw.com too?? I think he managed 3 RVD drug digs in the space of the first paragraph!! :D

[dmb6473a]

I still don't get the Batista popularity. He can't wrestle, which I know hasn't stopped others from getting over, but he can't do interviews either. He's basically Tyson Tomko, with a bit more hair and Triple H as a buddy.

[GregB]

Raw was awful again.

I’ve just read the results from the ECW and it looks just as bad

Big Show vs Ric Flair :brickwall

[NicolaUK]

Raw was awful again.

I’ve just read the results from the ECW and it looks just as bad

Big Show vs Ric Flair :brickwall

It wasn't that good!!! And the seems to be nothing on the horizon either - Orton v Hogan :shrug: Who's booking this crap :thinking:

And I bet the ECW fans were marking out over that match


Diary of Violence - 7/8/06
By Tommy Dreamer
July 8, 2006

I AM ANGRY, ****** OFF AND TOTALLY FRUSTRATED ABOUT WHAT I HAVE BEEN SEEING IN ECW.

What the hell will he write this week???

[GregB]

And I bet the ECW fans were marking out over that match


I might just watch it just to see the crowd reaction.

The reaction to the RVD screw job was superb and shows just how much work they need to do to get the crowd on their side. I know RVD had to drop the belt but they really should have come up with something better than they did.

[NicolaUK]

They just seem to not understand that those who want to watch ECW might not want to see the show filled with WWE 'superstars' (read broken down hasbeens - Test!!! Wtf???) I'll watch it again this week, but it's like rubber necking a motorway accident, you know you shouldn't but you feel compelled to see how bad it is!!

What are they doing with any of the former ECW wrestlers apart from being jobbed out each week? They need to get some storylines and fueds going so that the crowd can identify and feel involved with the matches with some sort of logical progression :shrug:

I would imagine that the people who post on this thread could write better TV than these morons!!

[GregB]

They just seem to not understand that those who want to watch ECW might not want to see the show filled with WWE 'superstars' (read broken down hasbeens - Test!!! Wtf???) I'll watch it again this week, but it's like rubber necking a motorway accident, you know you shouldn't but you feel compelled to see how bad it is!!

What are they doing with any of the former ECW wrestlers apart from being jobbed out each week? They need to get some storylines and fueds going so that the crowd can identify and feel involved with the matches with some sort of logical progression :shrug:

I would imagine that the people who post on this thread could write better TV than these morons!!

Test was badly treated when he was released by WWE and I think he is a decent enough mid-carder but he should not be in ECW let alone squashing geniune ECW wrestlers each week.

I wonder how much inout Heyman actually has as I really can't believe he is happy with the way it is going.

It will be interesting to see what they do with Sabu on Saturday Night Main Event.

[dmb6473a]

Believe it or not, Test is one of the wrestlers Heyman chose to be part of ECW. It wasn't forced on him, and Heyman has been a fan of his for years. Heyman's control pretty much disappeared last week, though, when Vince decided it was time to go in his own direction.

The real joke about ECW is the main event on this week's show. Ric Flair vs The Big Show. The memories of their 1990s clashes at the Bingo Hall in tapei death and stairway to hell matches are starting to flood back. :suspect:


I'd say that Raw was a really really really bad show this week, but I can't actually remember anything that happened on it.

[fadeaway53]

Yep, Raw was pretty bad this week.

Please, please end this DX **** - I find it painful to watch. :(

[NicolaUK]

The real joke about ECW is the main event on this week's show. Ric Flair vs The Big Show. The memories of their 1990s clashes at the Bingo Hall in tapei death and stairway to hell matches are starting to flood back. :suspect:

I remember them, they were the talk of the industry back then ;)

I can really feel the love for the current WWE product in here :suspect:

[john316]

It tells you something when my former no.1 hate figure in Edge is the no.1 guy now for me in the WWE.

[R-T-C]

I don't understand why they brought back the ECW name, just to fill it with WWE stars. Most of the mainstream WWE fans won't watch it any more than they would have watched a new Velocity show, and most of the ECW fans will switch off - probably losing any interest in WWE whatsoever. Even the second One Night Stand was ruined by WWE 'talent'. Although we've been talking of WWE's collapse for at least five years now, and they are still going relatively strong despite all the appalling storylines and pushing of geriatric wrestlers over young talent.

[fadeaway53]

To be fair to ECW, at least they are trying to push some new stars albeit misguided (e.g. Mike Knox, Test, etc).

And two weeks in they still haven't screwed up the CM Punk push. :suspect: Next week he'll probably hit on Kelly and get jobbed out to Knox :oh-hum:

[NicolaUK]

I've just read that the WWE is to start testing with HD programming - now if they could get some HD writers too, things would really be looking up :thumbs:

[dmb6473a]

I don't understand why they brought back the ECW name, just to fill it with WWE stars.


Because this is Vince. He doesn't like using other people's ideas, as its like admitting that someone other than he has created something successful. This is why whenever anyone comes into the WWE, they always have to change something about them, rather than just let them be the character that made them a success in the first place.

I don't think anyone who saw the Invasion angle really expected this new ECW to be anything different to what it actually is.

[R-T-C]

Because this is Vince. He doesn't like using other people's ideas, as its like admitting that someone other than he has created something successful.

Exactly, so I wonder why he even brought back ECW in the first place.

[dmb6473a]

Exactly, so I wonder why he even brought back ECW in the first place.


Because, like with everything, he thinks he can give it the Vince touch and make it better than the original (completely missing the point that ECW was so popular because it didn't have the Vince touch to begin with).

[arsenalfc]

http://imagesocket.com/images/robandsilentbucfd.jpg

seen this on another forum, thought someone might appreaciate it.

[fadeaway53]

Just watched Smackdown.

Same old crap but a really good Kennedy/Hardy match - well worth watching and a shocking ending (to me anyway) :eek:

[brainwaster]

http://imagesocket.com/images/robandsilentbucfd.jpg

seen this on another forum, thought someone might appreaciate it.

:clap:

[Creamstick]

I'm just back from Toronto - on Monday Night my wife and I spent the evening hanging out with the guys from The LAW - Live Audio Wrestling! Many beers were drunk and many laughs were had. They even gave me the new dusty rhodes DVD and a Blood, Sweat and Ears (Canadian indy promotion) t-shirt. I got a TNA DVD by winning their trivia quiz too :)

A great time was had by all, and even though they most likely don't read these forums, I would like to thank Dan, Jason and John for showing us the best time we had over the two weeks we were there!

[Jonnyrepp]

Just a heads up for Saturday Night's Main Event on Sky Sports 3 Sunday 1am.

Here's the card

D-Generation X vs. Spirit Squad (Elimination Match)
John Cena vs. WWE Champion Edge (WWE Championship Match)
World Champion Rey Mysterio, Batista & U.S. Champion Bobby Lashley vs. King Booker, Mark Henry & Finlay
Special appearance by Hulk Hogan and daughter Brooke
Bikini Bull-Riding Contest
Carlito & Trish Stratus vs. Johnny Nitro & Melina
Sabu in action in an Extreme Rules Match

[NicolaUK]

Well, Saturday Night's Main Event was pretty poor IMHO and they're really burying ECW with a Big Show v Undertaker title match next week - Where are the credible ECW challengers? (and I don't mean Justin Credible either)

[Matt KB]

I enjoyed the Hardy/Kennedy match on Smackdown. The rest did indeed suck nuts though.

[fadeaway53]

Thought SNME was a pretty good show:-

- Loved the RKO to Hogan on the car bonnet - shockingly I find myself actually looking forward to this feud. :eek:

- Thought the Raw title match was booked pretty well but it buried Edge more than was necessary. The FU on the table was a pretty good visual to end the show.

- Was the world really waiting for another Taker / Big Show match? Guarantee this one won't end cleanly.

- The whole concept of ECW seems to be that their bigger stars squash the ECW veterans every time they meet. As far as I can tell Dreamer, Credible, Richards, Snow & Guido haven't scored a win on TV between them yet!


But the big news is that Mark Henry picked up a serious patella injury and is almost certain to miss the Bash.

So now who does Batista face?

Guessing Vince will make it a Rey/Booker/Batista triple threat with Booker beating Rey setting up a Batista/Booker fued for Summerslam.

[dmb6473a]

But the big news is that Mark Henry picked up a serious patella injury and is almost certain to miss the Bash.

So now who does Batista face?




Noooooooooooo, how will we all cope without a mat classic between these two technical greats. I imagine the buys for this PPV are going to plummet now. Oh, I forgot. We still have the Punjabi Prison match (or whatever its called). Panic over. :suspect:

As for the next "ECW World Title" match, this is now getting more and more laughable by the week. I can't wait for the launch of the tag title, as they'll probably have Eugene and Snitsky face Tatanka and Viscera.

[Herbal]

Are you sure SNME is on SS3 at 1am tonight?

[Jonnyrepp]

It was on early hours of Sunday. I'm sure there will be a repeat sometime.

[pjg]

It was on this afternoon so may not be on again. From the few minutes I saw I don't think you are missing much.

[dmb6473a]

SNME got killed in the ratings. It finished last, behind all of the networks that were showing repeats.

I guess thats the end of that experiment.

[john316]

Its NBC, they don't care about Ratings :lol:

[GregB]

Well what a shock. Tommy Dreamer's diary has been suspended until further notice

http://www.wwe.com/shows/ecw/commentary/dreamer/071506diarysuspended

[NicolaUK]

It looks like there's no freedom of speech in the WWE :suspect:

[boonspoon]

There's no freedom of speech allowed unless Vince authorises the freedom of speech....... ;) :lol:

[nujjy]

Thought SNME was a pretty good show:-
Loved the RKO to Hogan on the car bonnet - shockingly I find myself actually looking forward to this feud. :eek:


Personally, I think WWE promote and hype up battles/reformations/events etc. very very well. It's just that when the things themselves actually happen, they're crap. Take DX and ECW for example. I thought they built it up really well and when they both actually formed, it turned into crap.

[goTimmygo]

Well what a shock. Tommy Dreamer's diary has been suspended until further notice

http://www.wwe.com/shows/ecw/commentary/dreamer/071506diarysuspended

I read that Tommy is on vacation for a couple of weeks, so he wont be about to write the column. It is all a work

[dmb6473a]

It looks like there's no freedom of speech in the WWE :suspect:


To be fair to the WWE, if any of us were running a company and one of our employees went onto the company website, and said something along the lines of "This company is crap, and no-one knows what they're doing", would we be happy about it?

He might be right, but its the wrong place to voice it.

[dmb6473a]

Batista's new opponent for the PPV is..............








Mistahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh............Kennedyyyyyyyyyyyy! ..................................................................................................................................................................................................................Kennedy!





I think the numerous posts regarding Monday's Raw sums up the quality that they are producing these days. Just seen that they're breaking the Spirit Squad up. Halelujah!!!!! No more mindnumbing handicap matches!!!

[boonspoon]

*climbs turnbuckle.....*























...........................................Kennedy!!!

(sorry, had to be done!! :D)

[fadeaway53]

What is the point of putting Kennedy against Batista? Where is the backstory to that feud?

Wish, for once, they did the obvious and put Batista in with Rey & Booker for the title.

[dmb6473a]

Wish, for once, they did the obvious and put Batista in with Rey & Booker for the title.


Well it might make more sense (sense, booking and WWE. Three words you don't here together often), but why ruin a potentially good match. ;)

[boonspoon]

What is the point of putting Kennedy against Batista? Where is the backstory to that feud?

There doesn't have to be a back story to it. It's an open challenge. Kennedy could come in moaning about how he's peeved that Hardy ended his run and that he's gonna start another unbeaten run, and it starts with Batista!! I like the fact that they are pushing Kennedy up with one of the main SD stars.

Wish, for once, they did the obvious and put Batista in with Rey & Booker for the title.

In my opinion it's pretty obvious that they are keeping Batista away from the title until Summerslam. Either in a triple threat match with Booker and Rey or in a one-on-one match with Booker. The fight at the Summerslam promo shoot already gives them a back story to the feud (wether it really was a shoot or not). I think the one-on-one match is more likely as I see Rey dropping the title this Sunday at the GAB.

I think Chavo will come out and either intenionally or not, cost Rey the title. If he does do it on purpose, he'll probably use the excuse that Rey didn't help him when Mark Henry was kicking his ass a few weeks back.

Anyway, that's my two cents!! :D

[sleep4ever]

Kennedy V Batista?

First thing WWE have done right for a while

[boonspoon]

The Spirit Squad has a new member it seems......

New Spirit Squad member........ (http://spiritsquadhasanewmember.ytmnd.com/)

:D:D:D

[fadeaway53]

Kennedy V Batista?

First thing WWE have done right for a while


But someone has to lose and i guarantee it will be Kennedy.

Would have made more sense for Kennedy to get his win back from Hardy at the Bash and then face Batista down the line.

Now he's going to job in two high profile matches in a row.

[boonspoon]

It has to be Kennedy to lose (btw, has anyone clicked that link in the last post I put in?? If haven't please do, it's very funny!! :D), they need Batista to build up momentum leading up to Summerslam when he takes the title from Booker (come on, we all know Booker is gonna beat Rey this Sunday. It's obvious.)

[Captain_Howdy666]

Kennedy is being jobbed out because he was bitching backstage about not getting a big enough push on his return from injury.

[dmb6473a]

Would have made more sense for Kennedy to get his win back from Hardy at the Bash and then face Batista down the line.


That was the reason behind him losing to Hardy (he wasn't being punished), but then they had to change everything when Henry got injured. The only other option they had for Batista was to bring in another high profile heel from one of the other shows. The problem was that there aren't many of those around at the moment, other than Edge and Big Show. They were ruled out as they didn't want Batista losing, and they didn't want him beating a champion.

ECW wrestlers have been added to the PPV now, but no indication how or who so far.



Changing the subject completely, the Wrestling Channel is airing what was voted the 2005 match of year next Tuesday at 9pm. Samoa Joe vs Kenta Kobashi. It's definitely recommended if you're fed up with weekly handicap matches on Raw.

[fadeaway53]

Starting to believe the Bash is cursed...

http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/lashleyout

As first reported on WWE Mobile Alerts, Bobby Lashley is unable to compete in this Sunday's Great American Bash. WWE physician Dr. Ferdinand Rios told WWE.com, "During his annual exam, Bobby Lashley was found to have elevated enzymes of the liver; therefore, he is not cleared to wrestle until further evaluation."

As a result of this breaking news, the Triple Threat Match for the United States Championship at The Great American Bash has changed. U.S. Champion Finlay will now defend the gold against William Regal in a one-on-one match.

p.s. cheers for the Joe/Kobashi heads up

[dmb6473a]

Only last night, I was reading about why Lashley lost the US Title. He was supposed to have a longer reign, but was stripped of it as a punishment. He didn't fail a steroid test and hasn't benn suspended. However, they decided to get the title off him as "a precautionary measure". :suspect:

[dmb6473a]

Another change to the Bash: -

Big Show will replace Great Khali on Sunday, against The Undertaker, in the Punjabi Prison match. Khali also has a diseased liver and is expected to be taken off the road.

[Matt KB]

The old card sounded bad, this new card just sounds awful.

[fadeaway53]

This is getting reminiscent of that WCW PPV (can't remember which one) where Bret Hart (the world champ) and Jeff Jarrett (the US champ) were both pulled a couple of days before.

Think it was the one where Russo wanted to put the title on Tank Abbott :eek:

[Tony Keats]

This is getting reminiscent of that WCW PPV (can't remember which one) where Bret Hart (the world champ) and Jeff Jarrett (the US champ) were both pulled a couple of days before.
Souled Out 2000

Think it was the one where Russo wanted to put the title on Tank Abbott :eek:
Yeah, but Russo's suggestion made more storyline sense than what they actually did.

When the title is, essentially, vacated, then surely it's logical to have either a tournament or a Rumble-type match to establish a new champion?. The Tank Abbott scenario was going to be a Royal Rumble match, which Tank would win on account of coming out last ...

The follow-up story would have been based on the obvious reaction of most viewers (i.e "He shouldn't be champion!! he can't even wrestle" etc etc) Tank's gimmick was always that he didn't know a wristlock from a wristwatch- yet he was tough and stubborn enough to get by regardless.

Either way, it would have likely been more logical/interesting than having Sid face Benoit, with Arn as the ref... immediately followed by Benoit's departure, and even MORE uncertainty/politics etc...

[john316]

Can't even imagine how bad the buy rate is going to be :lol:

[dmb6473a]

Think it was the one where Russo wanted to put the title on Tank Abbott :eek:


Another classic decision of thinking that the internet fans make up the majority of the audience. The reality was that majority hadn't a clue who Abbott was, and UFC was at the time in the worst state that its ever been. So he wasn't over and couldn't wrestle. Perfect choice for a new World champ. :cuckoo:

[boonspoon]

John Cena???? :D

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John Cena???? :D



Regardless of what anyone thinks of Cena, if they think he isn't over, they're kidding themselves.

[Tony Keats]

Another classic decision of thinking that the internet fans make up the majority of the audience.
You’re wrong IMO… Largely because you’re talking about the idea as though Abbott was going to be presented as a credible/worthy champion?! (which he wasn’t)…

The whole point of what Russo suggested was that people would be shocked by such an unlikely guy winning the belt… And the storyline, from that point on, would include references to the fact that Abbott was indeed undeserving etc…

So, making Abbott world champ would have likely been a short-term measure, used only to make the re-structured Souled Out show memorable somehow (and to make people want to watch the following Nitro to see how things progressed afterwards)…

As I said before, the proposed Rumble match would have probably been more logical and interesting than the politically motivated Arn Anderson/Benoit mess that actually took place…

[boonspoon]

Regardless of what anyone thinks of Cena, if they think he isn't over, they're kidding themselves.

Oh Cena is over, don't get me wrong. And he has got more than the "5 moves of Doom!". I just wish he would show more of it!

[dmb6473a]

You’re wrong IMO


Well there's a surprise :lol:

[Tony Keats]

^^^
Yeah :)

It’s amazing how we have such polar opposite views though… The simple fact is that we view professional wrestling completely differently.

I can sometimes, kinda, sorta, see where you’re coming from, but I think you just get too hung-up on the actual matches. IMO, it’s possible to have an entertaining feud, between guys who can’t wrestle, just as it’s possible to have a boring feud between guys who can (I personally find Benoit boring for example, because he’s almost always involved in a boring feud)…

You can apparently enjoy wrestling-for-the-sake-of-wrestling, which is fine and everything, but I think long matches on the weekly shows are a mis-use of TV time. Yet, if Smackdown had an overlong meaningless match between Benoit and Finlay- you’d watch it and more-than-likely praise it (based on the in-ring action itself) whereas I’d hate it, and probably just fast-forward it because, as I say, it’s essentially a waste of everyone’s time (storylinewise… and it has no inherent entertainment value to me)…

PPV’s can have some long matches, and I can enjoy those, because the outcome will (ideally) be important for some reason or other…

Things that you would consider to be terrible, awful, wrestlecrap on Raw, like Viscera serenading Lilian on a bed, I would consider the most entertaining thing on that particular show… And believe it or not, the majority of people with a television set in their house would see things my way…

Storylines and entertaining characters carry more weight than technically impressive matches for me… I would rather see a well-built scuffly brawl over an inert technical master-class any day of the week…

[dmb6473a]

Yep, I disagree with all of that too. No point in breaking it down point by point, as we'll just be here all night and no further forward. :lol:

I should point out that you've never actually understood what entertains me in the wrestling business. Its not as black and white as being broken down into "likes long matches", "hates the bits inbetween". More a case of "likes the things that are good and make sense", "hates the things that aren't and don't". ;)

[Tony Keats]

Yep, I disagree with all of that too. No point in breaking it down point by point, as we'll just be here all night and no further forward. :lol:
Quite right… And I disagree with you disagreeing… You’re completely wrong AGAIN (Grrr… etc) (!)

It’s probably best if we just avoid each other altogether really… Although that means I’m going to have to assume that I was completely right re: the Tank Abbott issue :)

I should point out that you've never actually understood what entertains me in the wrestling business. Its not as black and white as being broken down into "likes long matches", "hates the bits inbetween". More a case of "likes the things that are good and make sense", "hates the things that aren't and don't". ;)
Finally, you're right about something(!)... I don't fully understand what entertains you no.

What I was alluding to earlier was the way that the name 'Viscera' would likely provoke a pavlovian response in you which would lead to you posting a derogatory smiley of some sort... I hate that.

Seeing as we've had a semi-civil exchange here though, I've taken you off my 'people to kill' list for the second time...

[dmb6473a]

Although that means I’m going to have to assume that I was completely right re: the Tank Abbott issue :)

:lol: Don't get your hopes up on that one. ;)


If you read the thread on a regular basis, you'll know what entertains me. Finlay vs Benoit does. Shawn Michaels vs Bret Hart in their 60-minute Wrestlemania match bored the pants off me. The DX skit of Vince and Shane was hilarious. As was Michaels pretending to be Hogan. The Diva search is a waste of air time. The follow-up DX skits were stuck in the 90s and low rent (and are part of the reason why they've lost their tv contract in Canada). Viscera was funny the first time. The current angle with Charlie Haas is dead tv as neither are over, it sells no PPVs and they get no ad revenue from Raw (so a high rating is less relevant at present).

To say that all long matches are entertaining would be crazy, which is why I've never said that. Simon Dean vs Val Venis, going at it for 20 minutes would be as ridiculous and mind-numbing as a 5 minute skit between Matt Stryker and Eugene. Like I said, its not about whether its a match or an angle, or how long it goes on for. Its all about who is involved, whether they are over or not, and whether the segment is actually good.

On the other side of the coin, to say that all long matches on tv are boring is equally crazy. Well, not crazy for someone who hates wrestling. I can fully understand why those people would think that. But then again, they're the people who are alrady off watching something else, like Big Brother.

Yeah, I know you hate the smileys (i love em!). They were used more in disbelief than aiming to be derogatory. Though you did probably deserve them for the constant derogatory comments involving words like "mark". ;)

Over to you. Don't say anything that might make me reply though, as I want to go out and be away from my pc tonight. :lol:

[fadeaway53]

Not really bothered whether you are right or wrong but, imho, putting a world title on someone that the fans do not believe is worthy is definitely not a good idea.

(see Arquette, D)

[dmb6473a]

Not really bothered whether you are right or wrong but, imho, putting a world title on someone that the fans do not believe is worthy is definitely not a good idea.

(see Arquette, D)


That's pretty much the consensus view amongst people within the industry. Having mainstream celebrities appear on your shows is great for business. Antonio Inoki became a legend in Japan following his match with Muhammad Ali. Steve Austin became the next big thing, partly due to Mike Tyson. WCW was killing WWF following the appearances of Dennis Rodman and Karl Malone.

But they were all superstars. This was a B List actor and a barroom brawler, who the existing fans didn't care about and weren't drawing any new fans in either.

Hotshot booking is all well and good in moderation.....if the angle is good and makes sense. But when hotshot booking becomes the norm, people lose interest.

[Tony Keats]

If you read the thread on a regular basis, you'll know what entertains me. Finlay vs Benoit does. Shawn Michaels vs Bret Hart in their 60-minute Wrestlemania match bored the pants off me. The DX skit of Vince and Shane was hilarious. As was Michaels pretending to be Hogan. The Diva search is a waste of air time. The follow-up DX skits were stuck in the 90s and low rent (and are part of the reason why they've lost their tv contract in Canada). Viscera was funny the first time. The current angle with Charlie Haas is dead tv as neither are over, it sells no PPVs and they get no ad revenue from Raw (so a high rating is less relevant at present).
Well, I agree with some of that TBH (particularly about DX going from great to poor) but the bit at the end about dead TV and financial concerns etc is where we see things quite differently… But I’ll spare you the can-of-worms deconstruction because, as you know, we’d be here for the next few days and no further along...

Also, I ended-up posting quite a lot about the Tank Abbott thing again below, so I’m being as brief as possible here to avoid completely swamping the thread…

Yeah, I know you hate the smileys (i love em!). They were used more in disbelief than aiming to be derogatory. Though you did probably deserve them for the constant derogatory comments involving words like "mark".
Ah… that brings back some good memories… I haven’t arrogantly labelled someone in ages…

Although I'm sure it was ‘smark’ And to a lesser extent, ‘Newsletter enthusiast’(!)…

Not really bothered whether you are right or wrong
How dare you(!)

That's pretty much the consensus view amongst people within the industry
Correct (to some degree anyway)… And it’s a view that makes sense when it originates from someone who views professional wrestling as a kind of faux-credible pretend sport, someone who has a degree of reverence for the titles etc (which is somewhat understandable from within the industry)…

It doesn’t, however, make any sense for the average person to think that way IMO. I know I don’t think like that… The titles are just like storyline devices to me, wrestling isn’t a genuine competition… so, I don’t see what the big deal is if a supposedly non-credible performer wins one of the pretend titles- as long as the storyline accurately portrays them as non-credible, then it’s fine.

Tank Abbott can plausibly win a Rumble match if he’s the last guy to enter- nothing wrong with that at all (and the mere fact that the belt is on the line shouldn’t suddenly alter the laws of logical storytelling)… For example, Vince McMahon won the 1999 Rumble based on lots of cleverly written shenanigans, but it was fine because 1) It was just one part of a twisty/turny storyline, and 2) Vince McMahon was NOT portrayed as a worthy winner of the match.

And likewise, if the Tank Abbott thing had been allowed to occur, it would have been excusable on the grounds that 1) It was going to be the start of an interesting storyline, and 2) Tank Abbott wasn’t going to be portrayed as a credible champ or a good wrestler. Infact, the disapproval from certain quarters would have no doubt formed the basis of the follow-up angles/storylines…

Hotshot booking is all well and good in moderation.....if the angle is good and makes sense. But when hotshot booking becomes the norm, people lose interest.
Right. Anything can be over-done.

[dmb6473a]

You have some strange ideas, I'll give you that. :lol:

Oh, and I said "like mark". As "smark" is slang for "smart mark", I think they're alike. As I said last time, its used by those in the industry who still can't accept that the world has moved on, and we all know more than we did in the 80s and earlier. Which would make your good self one, also. By definition, you wouldn't be able to enter this kind of debate if you weren't. :)

[Tony Keats]

You have some strange ideas, I'll give you that.
You trying to get back on my list?! I haven’t put my chalk away yet…

Seriously though, it’s not a ‘strange idea’ at all really, it’s a perfectly logical rationale/explanation IMO. But I’m willing to accept the fact that we just don’t agree.

Oh, and I said "like mark". As "smark" is slang for "smart mark", I think they're alike. As I said last time, its used by those in the industry who still can't accept that the world has moved on, and we all know more than we did in the 80s and earlier. Which would make your good self one, also. By definition, you wouldn't be able to enter this kind of debate if you weren't.
Spoken like a true newsletter enthusiast(!)

Nah, allright, that’s un-called for… And truth be told, we’ve managed to exchange views here without either of us posting anything too inflammatory.

I think maybe we should quit while we’re (almost) ahead…

[dmb6473a]

Spoken like a true newsletter enthusiast(!)


Very happy with that description, ta. I am one, no question. It's a fantastic read, and not because it exposes the business. It opens your eyes to the fact that there is more to the wrestling world than WWE. Without it, I'd have never seen Rey Mysterio Jr at his best in AAA. I'd have never seen the greatest PPV of all time (AAA/IWC When World's Collide). I'd have never seen Great Sasuke, Jushin Liger and Chris Benoit at their best in New Japan. I'd have never have seen Atsushi Onita, Terry Funk and Cactus Jack blow themselves up in FMW

The term "smart mark" came about in the 80s, when Meltzer was producing the so-called dirtsheets. Smartening the fans up to a business that the majority were already smart to anyway. The business hated getting exposed, and so fought back in the only way it knew......... they started calling the fans names! The only reason people think its limited to the newsletters, is because the internet wasn't around back then like it is today. But its not the form that the media takes that defines the word. It's the content. Seeing as 75%+ of the news websites get their info from the newsletters, they're one and the same.

So, to Triple H and co (proudly stating on Raw the other week that he's too cool to know how to use a computer!), we're all marks for watching the product, and we're all "smart marks" for discussing what happens once the cameras switch off.

I wonder if the employees of other companies, like McDonalds, have derogatory names for their employees. :suspect:

[tpr007]

I think maybe we should quit while we’re (almost) ahead…

please

or take it to email :thumbs:

[the_kenster]

Just reading about the Khali thing on PWInsider.

How reliable are their sources? Do they have someone working backstage in WWE

[fadeaway53]

No sign on wwe.com that Khali has been pulled from the Bash :suspect:

Know its not unusual for WWE to engage in a bit of bait and switch but they have already announced Henry & Lashley are out so why not Khali?

[Harsin]

No sign on wwe.com that Khali has been pulled from the Bash :suspect:

Know its not unusual for WWE to engage in a bit of bait and switch but they have already announced Henry & Lashley are out so why not Khali?

They;re still trying to work out if he's saying he can do it or not.

[boonspoon]

:lol: :lol:

[dmb6473a]

No sign on wwe.com that Khali has been pulled from the Bash :suspect:

Know its not unusual for WWE to engage in a bit of bait and switch but they have already announced Henry & Lashley are out so why not Khali?



I would guess that the change to Big Show will occur in an angle on the PPV. They've already changed the show twice. If they have to change a third match that has been promoted heavily, people may decide not to buy (even if it is a potentially crap match).

There may also be a concern of announcing a second health scare so soon after Lashley.

[arsenalfc]

Why did i stay up until 4am to watch the bash, didn't fail again in being the worst PPV of the year. Should have went to bed after the opening tag match, the punjabi prison match was just laughable but....

all hail king booker

[alphatyrant]

Another poor PPV, really, really glad it was free :(

In comparison TNA Victory Road that was on Sunday evening just **** all over it :D

Was anyone really surprised by the ending of the title match? If you were then you were extremely gullible. Punjabi Prison match.....you mean a double cage match? Ooooohh intimidating, and with a finish oh so similar to the Vince Vs. Stone Cold cage match that Big Show was involved in all those years back.

Boooorrrrrring.

[sleep4ever]

At least Mr Kennedy didnt lose, as such...both come away from a rush booked match with something


Never mind we can look forward to Hulk Hogan tonight

[Matt KB]

At least Mr Kennedy didnt lose, as such...both come away from a rush booked match with something


Never mind we can look forward to Hulk Hogan tonight

His injury sounds nasty though, not sure if it means he's out for a bit or what, only saw the small b/w pic on WWE.com but cut exposing his cranium?!?!?!? Ouch!!

[si2k2000]

Yea the cuts looked pretty bad from the brief glimpse I saw. Does sound pretty nasty but I'm sure he'll be back fighting soon. I think this guy is really building some momentum so it was good that they did'nt make him job to Batista. Was he this popular before he got injured, I did'nt see anything of him before that.

[sleep4ever]

Yea the cuts looked pretty bad from the brief glimpse I saw. Does sound pretty nasty but I'm sure he'll be back fighting soon. I think this guy is really building some momentum so it was good that they did'nt make him job to Batista. Was he this popular before he got injured, I did'nt see anything of him before that.

Nope since his return from injury he suddenly seems very popular

Possibly as he's a) getting a deserved push b) on the arguably weaker of the two shows

[sleep4ever]

His injury sounds nasty though, not sure if it means he's out for a bit or what, only saw the small b/w pic on WWE.com but cut exposing his cranium?!?!?!? Ouch!!

I thought it was a work to put Batista over but as you say that picture and description sounds nasty.

[Matt KB]

What's up with JBL? Has he had enough of wrestling now, taking a break, injured or what? He sure sucks on commentary at the mo.

[fadeaway53]

What's up with JBL? Has he had enough of wrestling now, taking a break, injured or what? He sure sucks on commentary at the mo.


You are kidding? JBL on commentary is the best thing to happen to Smackdown in years. For me he is the best heel commentator since Ventura.

[Aretak]

You are kidding? JBL on commentary is the best thing to happen to Smackdown in years. For me he is the best heel commentator since Ventura.
:thumbs:

JBL was excellent last night, especially during the B&P match.

Anyway, latest news is that Stephanie McMahon has gone into labour, so HHH and Vince won't be at Raw tonight as they've gone to be with her. Don't know if that means Shane will be running things, or if he won't be there either. No DX though it would seem, unless Flair teams with Michaels like he's been doing at house shows...

[john316]

What's up with JBL? Has he had enough of wrestling now, taking a break, injured or what? He sure sucks on commentary at the mo.

JBL is the only decent heel commentator in the WWE now :(

[Herbal]

Nope since his return from injury he suddenly seems very popular

Possibly as he's a) getting a deserved push b) on the arguably weaker of the two shows

I thought Mr Kennedy was very popular before he got injured last year, if you go back to last years thread you'll see the support for him.

So now we have

A Chavo/Rey feud and no doubts they will use Eddie as the middle man.

[Matt KB]

I'm not sure, he's not really saying anything new, constant and obvious mistruths (which is fine for a heel commentator) but when Cole responds with "But didn't you do that just a few months ago" (which he does a lot!) - perhaps he just needs someone better to bounce off.

[the_kenster]

I thought the Bash wasn't that bad, considering that I was going in the PPV with very low expectations. Poor ending to the punjabi prison match.

Apparently Super Crazy is out with a liver problem and Kid Kash is suspended

[boonspoon]

What is it with all these liver problems???? And why is Kash suspended????

[internetuser]

Tylenol causes liver issues if it is used in abundance and I would also assume that other 'pain' medications that are not prescription but are 'over the counter' pain medications can do the same as well. Sure alcohol does, but I don't think in these cases the talent are boozers. I would look to them using some over the counter pain medication to cope with the life/struggles on the road and perhaps that is showing up in the test results. Whatever it is, they better figure it out and cure the problems.


above from some wrestling newsletter

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"ECW matches tonight are The Gangstas vs The Eliminators in a weapons cage, Sandman vs Dreamer in a singapore cane match, and Axl vs Ian Rotten in a taipei death match".......









......are words that I'd like to hear WWE say. However, we're actually getting Kane vs Big Show instead. Still its not all bad news. We'll no doubt be getting another dance from Kelly Kelly. If we're lucky, she may even try to hide the "i'm bored" look on her face. Don't worry, luv. We know how you feel. :help:

[john316]

Kane vs Big Show? :oh-hum:

ECW officially stinks - TNA is now my only hope of consistently entertaining Wrestling action now :(

[Aretak]

TNA is now my only hope of consistently entertaining Wrestling action now :(
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/1215/144786roflmaoed0rk6.gif

:thumbs:

[dmb6473a]

Matt Hardy is the latest to be taken off the road. No further details at present.


If this keeps up, they might soon start asking the audience if anyone has brought their boots with them.

[fadeaway53]

This is getting insane now!

Wonder why only Smackdown wrestlers are being suspended/taken off the road :suspect:

[Travis]

lol at scott steiner

[davebower]

Anyone seen the RVD/Sabu video from the police car on the night of their arrest? http://www.tmz.com/2006/07/25/wwe-smackdown-wrestling-stars-vs-ohio-police/

Lol at RVD telling the cop he's the champ

[boonspoon]

Matt Hardy is the latest to be taken off the road. No further details at present.


If this keeps up, they might soon start asking the audience if anyone has brought their boots with them.

Staph infection apparently.

[Harsin]

Staph infection apparently.

Triple H will be mad!

[boonspoon]

*slaps head*

Oh brother!!! :D:D

[dmb6473a]

Staph infection apparently.


I doubt that very much. They knew he'd be off before this week's Smackdown, and yet still announced he'd be wrestling. I can't see them letting someone continue with that kind of injury.

[john316]

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/1215/144786roflmaoed0rk6.gif

:thumbs:

See, entertaininment in abundance there :notworthy

[dmb6473a]

Latest on the Smackdown situation. Matt Hardy has been suspended, but no reason has yet been given why. Another wrestler is expected to be suspended for the same reasons, also.

Neither are said to be steroid related. However, there have been a number of steroid test failures recently, and there will be suspensions from that in the near future.



EDIT - The other wrestler suspended is Tatanka.

[dmb6473a]

ECW is officially dead......


ECW main event for Tuesday in New York is Big Show vs. Batista for the ECW title.


:gag:

[Harsin]

ECW is officially dead......

:gag:

What's even better is that it's in the Hammerstein Ballroom, if I was them I'd wear helmets! :lol:

[john316]

:oh-hum:

[mr starface]

Anyone seen this weeks raw yet? What a load of crapola. Is it me or are the advert breaks increasing every week? I swear there was one every 5 minutes. Using FFW I managed to watch the whole show in about 20 minutes!

[fadeaway53]

Yeah, Raw has been crap for the last few months and this one was no different.

Strangely I actually find Smackdown the most enjoyable show to watch at the moment :shrug:

[internetuser]

Anyone seen this weeks raw yet? What a load of crapola. Is it me or are the advert breaks increasing every week? I swear there was one every 5 minutes. Using FFW I managed to watch the whole show in about 20 minutes!

Thats the wonders of US TV . . . when its screened live.

[internetuser]

EDIT - The other wrestler suspended is Tatanka.


tatanka aint suspended, i thought I read he was on smackdown this week (hope its not a spoiler...)

[Travis]

not enough wrestling segments and too many diva segments on raw

[boonspoon]

I only saw 2 diva segments on RAW on Monday, the tag match (which was suprisingly good....) and the Diva search. Well 3 if you count the bit with Mileena......

Wouldn't say it was that excessive.

[dmb6473a]

tatanka aint suspended, i thought I read he was on smackdown this week (hope its not a spoiler...)



Believe it or not, he was suspended. He's just returned before anyone even realised he'd gone.

Since he won his match, there's probably more to the story. But I don't know what.

[dmb6473a]

I only saw 2 diva segments on RAW on Monday, the tag match (which was suprisingly good....) and the Diva search. Well 3 if you count the bit with Mileena......

Wouldn't say it was that excessive.




I'd say one Diva search segment on Raw is one segment too many.

The daft thing is, they'll give these segments 15-20 minutes at a time, just because they sometimes bump the ratings (which they get no ad revenue for), even though they don't sell a single PPV buy. Yet, they'll go weeks without giving Flair proper interview time (i.e excluding the ones where he's only there for the Edge/Nitro interruptions) to put over one of the main events on the next PPV. :cuckoo:

[boonspoon]

They don't take up that much time on RAW with the Diva search.... For example, Monday night's edition had the little quick 15-20 second videos of the girls saying who should go and then they only spent about 4 or 5 minutes on the who gets eliminated section. If anything it's Smackdown that takes 15-20 mins with their segments on the Diva Search.

They will get revenue, where do you think most of the money from the text votes go to??? ;):D

[dmb6473a]

They will get revenue, where do you think most of the money from the text votes go to??? ;):D



Yeah, i bet they're rolling in it! :lol:

[sleep4ever]

No comment on Jeff Hardy re-signing?

I didnt see it coming

[dmb6473a]

No comment on Jeff Hardy re-signing?

I didnt see it coming



It's been talked about for some time, as he was recently backstage at a WWE show while missing a TNA show (even though he was actually closer to the TNA one at the time). It'll raise some eyebrows amongst thouse who have been given suspensions recently for various drug issues.



On another subject, the ECW was the best of the lot this week. Two decent matches (Sandman/Dreamer vs Knox/Test and CM Punk vs Justin Credible), plus the ECW crowd letting Batista and Big Show know what they think of them. The "change the channel" chant was hysterical! :lol:

[boonspoon]

No comment on Jeff Hardy re-signing?

I didnt see it coming

But what about the even bigger news??? The Boogeyman is on his way back!!!!!! :suspect: :doh:

[Stu G]

Hogan is potentially out of SummerSlam after busting his knee while getting off his new couch.

And thinking of SummerSlam, it's potentially a very packed card but nothing I'm getting over excited about. Potentially its:
Edge vs Cena - Raw
Flair vs Foley - Raw
MacMahons vs DX - Raw
Hogan vs Orton - Raw
SS vs Highlanders - Raw
Rey vs Chavo - SD
Taker vs Khali - SD
Batista vs King Booker - SD
Big Show vs Sabu - ECW

[fadeaway53]

Hogan is potentially out of SummerSlam after busting his knee while getting off his new couch.

And thinking of SummerSlam, it's potentially a very packed card but nothing I'm getting over excited about. Potentially its:
Edge vs Cena - Raw
Flair vs Foley - Raw
MacMahons vs DX - Raw
Hogan vs Orton - Raw
SS vs Highlanders - Raw
Rey vs Chavo - SD
Taker vs Khali - SD
Batista vs King Booker - SD
Big Show vs Sabu - ECW

Wow, they managed to put together an entire card with nothing that particularly interests me.

On the Raw side, the Edge/Cena & McMahons/DX fueds are so played out its untrue. Flair vs Foley would have been okay 10 years ago while Hogan can barely move now (even without his latest injury). SS/Highlanders doesn't belong on a card of this size.

The Smackdown matches are better with Batista/Booker & Rey/Chavo at least having some intrigue - don't have a clue who will win those.

Big Show vs Sabu is okay but would be better if it was RVD regaining his title.

[boonspoon]

Who's to say that won't happen?? During the match he runs out with a new ref and 5-star's Show and covers him??

Extreme rules, anything goes!! :D

[fadeaway53]

Who's to say that won't happen?? During the match he runs out with a new ref and 5-star's Show and covers him??

Which would also be good as it would set up an RVD/Sabu feud. Way too good an idea for Vince to use!

[john316]

Which would also be good as it would set up an RVD/Sabu feud. Way too good an idea for Vince to use!

Yep, you can file that away under "Far too clever for ECW fans" in Vince's File Cabinet :|

[fadeaway53]

Rumour has it that both Lita & Trish will be leaving in the next couple of months as their contracts won't be renewed.

Very strange decision by Vince if true :thinking:

[davebower]

Rumour has it that both Lita & Trish will be leaving in the next couple of months as their contracts won't be renewed.

Very strange decision by Vince if true :thinking:

I'd heard that they both decided to leave themselves rather than not being offered renewals.

Lita to pursue an acting career and Trish as she's getting married?

[dmb6473a]

I'd heard that they both decided to leave themselves rather than not being offered renewals.

Lita to pursue an acting career and Trish as she's getting married?



Yep, that's correct. Both are still on good terms with the company and are free to return whenever they want.

Lita is expected back, as she's only going for minor acting roles, but she will most likely be gone for some time. Trish's future is more uncertain, though, as she's said to be financially secure due to many good pay years in the WWE.

[fadeaway53]

Will be interested to see what impact Lita's departure has on Edge. Not sure its fair to say that Edge wouldn't have made it without Lita's assistance but she certainly has added to the overall package.

[boonspoon]

The whole Matt/Lita/Edge thing did help to push Edge as a major heel. Just a pity it didn't do as much for Matt.

[john316]

Will be interested to see what impact Lita's departure has on Edge. Not sure its fair to say that Edge wouldn't have made it without Lita's assistance but she certainly has added to the overall package.

Hopefully he'll find a new Rated R co-star - he's the best thing on RAW for me :thumbs:

[tpr007]

RVD had his first match back, but has apparently injured his neck and the match was made short. Wonder if he'll have a match on Tuesday on the ECW show.

[ryonhilluk]

Is the next PPV free?

[welshmatt]

Its Summerslam isnt it, I didnt think any of the 'big ones' were free?

[fadeaway53]

Yeah, its not free.

Don't think much of the card but, hey, its Summerslam so will probably order it anyway.

On a different matter, hope Vince comes to his senses and tapes ECW at the Hammerstein Ballroom every week. What a crowd, what an atmosphere, what a crap main event to give them. :cuckoo:

[dmb6473a]

On a different matter, hope Vince comes to his senses and tapes ECW at the Hammerstein Ballroom every week. What a crowd, what an atmosphere, what a crap main event to give them. :cuckoo:


But so worth it to see the faces of Big Show and Batista! :lol:

[playaslaya]

For those who might be interested John Cena's The Marine trailer is up now!

[tpr007]

looks pretty good, i like Robert Patrick,

[roadkill_88]

Foley/Flair is the only thing worth looking at on RAW at the minute, best fued in years. ECW is a breath of fresh air - i.e., some wrestling as opposed to numb brawling. Not the ECW i love though, you only get the proper crowd about a quarter of the time. :razz:

[fadeaway53]

Hogan has confirmed he'll wrestle Orton at Summerslam

http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/hoganconfirmed

(guess that means Hogan's winning :| )

[CleaDuVall_fan]

Roll on the return of Jeff Hardy I say.

[Harsin]

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/9650/vincemf6.jpg

:lol:

[dmb6473a]

Undertaker vs. Great Khali won't be at SummerSlam, and instead will be taped on Tuesday night in Washington, DC, for Friday's Smackdown. The reason for this is after the house show matches between the two, it's been decided that Khali can't air in anything physical on live television. Apparently all of his Smackdown TV stuff always has to be heavily edited.


Will they ever learn. Of course not. I bet they're already on the lookout for the next 6'5"+, 300 pounder who can't even do the basics right!



Sabu vs. Kurt Angle vs. Rob Van Dam in a three way ladder match will headline Tuesday's ECW TV show. Winner faces Big Show for the title at SummerSlam.


Finally, a match worthy of the ECW name.

[fadeaway53]

Well, with the Great Khali pulled Summerslam just got a whole lot better! :thumbs: Wonder if this will be the last we see of Khali though :suspect:

RVD/Sabu/Angle is a great match but one they should put on Summerslam rather than free TV.

[dmb6473a]

RVD/Sabu/Angle is a great match but one they should put on Summerslam rather than free TV.


Normally I'd agree, but they need one match to avoid this show going on a one-way trip to Velocity hell.

[fadeaway53]

Anyone catch Smackdown this week?

I seriously don't know if I've ever seen a worse segment than the diva talent competition (and I've been watching since 1990). :brickwall

[tpr007]

So, will the undertaker be at Summerslam? It's a poor card as it is, and I don't usually buy PPVs. The taker still represents a marking out moment!

[fadeaway53]

So, will the undertaker be at Summerslam? It's a poor card as it is, and I don't usually buy PPVs. The taker still represents a marking out moment!

You really still mark out over Taker? The guy is old, broken down and has had one decent match in two years (against Angle)!

[Captain_Howdy666]

You really still mark out over Taker? The guy is old, broken down and has had one decent match in two years (against Angle)!

But it's the ******* Undertaker. :notworthy

[tpr007]

You really still mark out over Taker? The guy is old, broken down and has had one decent match in two years (against Angle)!

yep
along with Hulk Hogan and HHH, he has the coolest entrance going. He's not that broken down, and moves as well as he has done for years. He just gets put in matches against freaks like Khali and Mark Henry who can't work at all.

[fadeaway53]

yep
along with Hulk Hogan and HHH, he has the coolest entrance going. He's not that broken down, and moves as well as he has done for years. He just gets put in matches against freaks like Khali and Mark Henry who can't work at all.

Actually, take back the 'one good match in two years' comment. He had a great match with Orton at the WM before the last one. Does have an unfortunate habit of getting stuck with stiffs though :(

[tpr007]

With Orton being a bit dull to watch, and seeing a severely degraded Hulk on Raw last night, this has the potential to be a seriously embarrasing match. I hope it's not the last one on the card, as the Edge/Cena match is likely to be very entertaining.

With Orton running away whenever the Hulk's shown up, it seems to forebode an Orton win (albeit with cheating i expect). What will Hogan do then? It's a long way to wrestlemania and no dream match up likely to happen. Could this actually be his last match!!!

I was also surprised to see Mickie James drop the belt on free tv, and to Lita who hardly wrestles anymore, and is leaving soon? MJ has been barely used since WM, so I don't see much of a future left for her to be honest, unless she wins the belt back at SummerSlam and gets another hefty push.

[fadeaway53]

I was also surprised to see Mickie James drop the belt on free tv, and to Lita who hardly wrestles anymore, and is leaving soon? MJ has been barely used since WM, so I don't see much of a future left for her to be honest, unless she wins the belt back at SummerSlam and gets another hefty push.


Well, in Mickie's favour she is incredibly over. And probably the best women wrestler to watch these days (Trish has got stale). Think she is probably safe for a while yet.

[GregB]

You need to put some spoiler tags in there tpr007. Whether anyone cares anymore is another matter

[GregB]

I was also surprised to see Mickie James drop the belt on free tv, and to Lita who hardly wrestles anymore, and is leaving soon? MJ has been barely used since WM, so I don't see much of a future left for her to be honest, unless she wins the belt back at SummerSlam and gets another hefty push.


I suspect it's part of the plan to ease Lita out. I suspect Mickie will win the belt back at Summerslam or soon after dependent on when Lita's contract is up. I imagine it will be a screw job though with Lita being destroyed by Edge thus leaving the way open for Mickie to be the new companion of the R-Rated Superstar

[Stu G]

I suspect it's part of the plan to ease Lita out. I suspect Mickie will win the belt back at Summerslam or soon after dependent on when Lita's contract is up. I imagine it will be a screw job though with Lita being destroyed by Edge thus leaving the way open for Mickie to be the new companion of the R-Rated Superstar

Considering Lita hasn't wrestled for ages it didn't seem too bad a match. However, if Lita is being eased out as there's no new contract for her this could be a way of seeing Cena win and splitting Edge and Lita.

But I've also read the Trish's contract is due for renewal and she's not interested. The next PPV Vengence may be her last match too. In which case her Carlito angle is going to die pretty quickly and the women's division is down the pan. Victoria I can't see as credible anymore, Candice and Torrie are eye-candy and nothing else. So there's only the Diva search winner and Beth Phoenix left with whom they started an angle with Mickie before Beth got injured. So let's bet we never hear of this started angle again!!

[dmb6473a]

You really still mark out over Taker? The guy is old, broken down and has had one decent match in two years (against Angle)!



I'd sooner watch someone in a coma for 6 months than an Undertaker match. Most overrated guy in the business, who is only still around due to a decent entrance (even The Godfather had one of those), and his loyalty in the bad years (which is a joke, seeing as he wouldn't have been able to use the gimmick in WCW).

But as soon as the bell rings, it's still Mean Mark of The Skyscrapers! :gag:

[Captain_Howdy666]

Spoilers, people. FFS! :oh-hum:

[tpr007]

what's been spoiled?

[GregB]

As I suggested yesterday you posted quite a bit of stuff from this week's Raw including

the change of the women's title

I think the form in here is to use spoiler tags until the repeats have been shown whihc is normally Wednesday or Thursday for Raw.

[bacon33]

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/9650/vincemf6.jpg

:lol:

Hmm... No sign of a Skysports logo anywhere and an nice little usa logo in the corner. And yet your location is South Wales.

Interesting!

:thinking: :shrug: ;)

Seriously though.. I used to be pretty into WWE but then I got rid of skysports when i moved house. I get the impression that its gone majorly downhill over the last 12 months. It was getting a bit silly when I last watched it anyway. I've caught the odd bit here and there and it does seem to be a bit mundane these days.

Am I right or has it got better. Oh and did Brock ever return and did they finally give taker the title??

[Harsin]

Hmm... No sign of a Skysports logo anywhere and an nice little usa logo in the corner. And yet your location is South Wales.

Interesting!

:thinking: :shrug: ;)

Could I have *gasp* taken the picture form another forum (Something Awful in particular). A plan so cunning in its intricacies that it can barely be fathomed. :eek: ;)

[einstein]

serious question...

Is downloading and watching torrents of TV shows that have been legally broadcast on US TV illegal?


I wouldn't have thought it is....

[bacon33]

Could I have *gasp* taken the picture form another forum (Something Awful in particular). A plan so cunning in its intricacies that it can barely be fathomed. :eek: ;)

I know of no other way that the image could've been obatined. I bow to your superior knowledge of the web that we call World Wide!! :notworthy

;)

[GregB]

serious question...

Is downloading and watching torrents of TV shows that have been legally broadcast on US TV illegal?


I wouldn't have thought it is....


Oh yes, very illegal.

[infestedsicness]

Bit off topic this one, but anybody know who does Edge's theme music, and Lita's? Cheers for any replies.

[FireclownUK]

From what I can find, Metalingus by Alter Bridge

[Captain_Howdy666]

what's been spoiled?


Haha! You're kidding, right? :oh-hum:

Anyhow, I've just watched Raw and maybe the reason for Mickie dropping the belt is this:
[quote]
According to NBA affiliate WVIR Channel 29 in Virginia, WWE Superstar Ken Doane (Spirit Squad's Kenny) was issued warrants for assault, battery, and vandalism charges at the RAW taping last night in Charlottesville, Virginia. This was following an incident that took place at a RAW house show a few weeks ago in Roanoke, Virginia.

We reported on this incident a few weeks ago after it took place. Apparently after the house show a fan, Jason Wilson, 27 claimed he saw Ken and Mickie James sitting at a red light in their car. Wilson approached them for autographs when allegedly Doane held on to his sign and pulled off. This caused his sign to tear and him to fall down straining his shoulder. Wilson told WKTR Channel 13, "And it's not my fault he did what he did. I'm innocent and I'm going to take a warrant out. And nobody's going to stop me over my dead body!"

WWE's Gary Davis told Channel 13 that the company offered him autographed photos, but Wilson asked for money. WWE then requested he file a written report but they were unaware that Wilson was injured.

Ken Doane has a court date in Roanoke set for August 31st.

Source: PWInsider [end quote]*

That or the fact that it's been a while that we've seen a team as individual champs. And the fact Lita is leaving soon anyway

*Didn't use proper quote tags because it cocks up the spoiler tags.

[dmb6473a]

or option C :-

They'd run out of ideas for Mickie James (after she was involved in a grand total of one feud), and decided they'd turn her face on the spot, then have her lose without any build-up or point.

And people wonder why I fast-forward through these parts of the show. :|






(not sure why we're still spoilering things from five days ago, though)

[tpr007]

[QUOTE=Captain_Howdy666]Haha! You're kidding, right? :oh-hum:

No, i'm not! :cuckoo:

The show has been broadcast live in the UK. If you missed it then don't look in the thread. If I haven't yet watched it, I don't look in here if I don't want to know what happened. I could understand if it was ECW as that has yet to be broadcast in the UK

[fadeaway53]

[QUOTE=Captain_Howdy666]Haha! You're kidding, right? :oh-hum:

No, i'm not! :cuckoo:

The show has been broadcast live in the UK. If you missed it then don't look in the thread. If I haven't yet watched it, I don't look in here if I don't want to know what happened. I could understand if it was ECW as that has yet to be broadcast in the UK


For what its worth, I agree with this.

Why would anyone look at this thread without having seen the programme? You wouldn't go into the Big Brother, Dragons Den or Eastenders thread if you hadn't seen it and didn't want it spoiled.

[Captain_Howdy666]

[QUOTE=tpr007]


For what its worth, I agree with this.

Why would anyone look at this thread without having seen the programme? You wouldn't go into the Big Brother, Dragons Den or Eastenders thread if you hadn't seen it and didn't want it spoiled.

So I can't look in here for things relating to Raw, Smackdown! or ECW on the off chance that I haven't seen one of those other programs? You want to explain to me how this thread gets posts or in fact, was even started?

And spoiler tags were created for what purpose?

[dmb6473a]

[QUOTE=fadeaway53]
And spoiler tags were created for what purpose?



You've got to be sensible with them, though. It's not like a film, where spoilers are obviously required. If we use them on everything, because someone may not have seen a show, you'll be getting things like this: -

The Ultimate Warrior beat Hulk Hogan at Wrestlemania VI

We'd have nothing but black boxes in here.

Go have a look in the Sports forum at the England vs Greece thread. No mention in the title of spoilers, and people talked freely about it as the match went on. Anyone who doesn't want to know the score would just avoid the thread til they see the match.

[boonspoon]

I'm a mod on a WWE fan forum and the way we work it is that anything that relates to a RAW or SD show stays in tags until after the last showing of that show (Wed/Thurs for RAW, Saturday for SD). After that people can take the Spoiler tags out or they can just leave them.

Works most of the time for us.

[Captain_Howdy666]

I'm a mod on a WWE fan forum and the way we work it is that anything that relates to a RAW or SD show stays in tags until after the last showing of that show (Wed/Thurs for RAW, Saturday for SD). After that people can take the Spoiler tags out or they can just leave them.

Works most of the time for us.

Yeah, there's another forum I use that has a seven day no spoilers policy, maybe I'm just used to that. Besides which, up until now that's how it's worked in here.

[fadeaway53]

The Ultimate Warrior beat Hulk Hogan at Wrestlemania VI

He did? :eek: :eek:

Damn you! :)

[john316]

Yeah, there's another forum I use that has a seven day no spoilers policy, maybe I'm just used to that. Besides which, up until now that's how it's worked in here.

Just avoid the thread till you've watched the shows?

[dmb6473a]

Just avoid the thread till you've watched the shows?



These days, I find it better if I read the thread and avoid the shows. ;)

[LIGHTRAY]

One hour WWE special On Dusty Rhodes about start on SS3 (10.pm)

[fadeaway53]

Anyone watch Smackdown? Shockingly watchable last man standing match between Undertaker & Khali.

Some predictions for Summerslam:-

Rey Mysterio vs Chavo Guerrero (via Vickie heel turn :oh-hum: )
Mick Foley vs Ric Flair
Randy Orton vs Hulk Hogan (surely they wont put Hogan over)
DX vs The McMahons
Big Show vs Sabu (via RVD miscommunication)
King Booker vs Batista (there hasn't been enough build up for Dave to win)
Edge vs Cena

Hmm, not sure now as there is bound to be at least one title change. :suspect:

[john316]

Have this feeling that DX will lose to the McMahon's - but I can't think of a likely way its going to happen via interference though :lol:

[the_kenster]

Been away on holiday, so I missed quite abit but I was able to read up what had happened:

Anyway, Summerslam Predictions:

Rey Mysterio vs Chavo Guerrero: Chavo
Mick Foley vs Ric Flair: Foley
Randy Orton vs Hulk Hogan: Hogan
DX vs The McMahons: DX
Big Show vs Sabu: Big Show
King Booker vs Batista: Booker T
Edge vs Cena: Cena

[dmb6473a]

Predictions for tonight. Pretty much all of them depend on whether they are the final match in the feud, or whether they're leading to something else:-

Edge vs. John Cena
- Cena's hometown so that makes him the favourite. Next month, there is a TLC match between the two in Toronto, so its not the end just yet. Prediction - Cena.

Hulk Hogan vs. Randy Orton
- Hogan has creative control, but I have the feeling he's going to do the right thing. One longtime rumour was Harry Smith (Davey's son) appearing on Hogan Knows Best as one of Brooke's dates. Not sure if it actually happened, but the plan was Hogan to lose, and then Smith to continue the Brooke storyline in a feud with Orton. Prediction - Orton.

Ric Flair vs. Mick Foley
- Most likely the match of the night. Both have apparently been arguing over the finish, as both believe that they should lose. Foley has creative control so he'll no doubt get the final say. Going to bloody as hell. Prediction - Flair.

DX vs McMahons
- Depends on if this is the blow-off or not. If it is, DX win. If not, the McMahons win. Unless it is the blow-off and Triple H turns on Michaels. Prediction - McMahons (and the feud continues)

King Booker vs. Batista
- I really hope its Booker, as his character is so much better than the one-dimensional chosen one. Batista is getting back the title at some point, but it just depends whether this is the night when they decide to do it. I think they may wait a bit. Prediction - Batista DQ

Big Show vs. Sabu
- Sabu will do a few crazy things, but will most likely be a glorified squash. Predition - Big Show

Rey Mysterio vs. Chavo Guerrero
- Another that depends on whether this feud is going to continue or not. Chavo wins if it is. Otherwise Rey wins easily. If they turn Guerrero's wife heel, I think they'll have actually sunk lower than anyone thought possible. Prediction - Chavo.

[boonspoon]

DX vs McMahons
- Depends on if this is the blow-off or not. If it is, DX win. If not, the McMahons win. Unless it is the blow-off and Triple H turns on Michaels. Prediction - McMahons (and the feud continues)

I don't see a HHH heel turn. He said he wanted to be a face before retiring. Now that he is, I don't see them turning him heel again only to then turn him back to a face some point in the future.

[dmb6473a]

I don't see a HHH heel turn. He said he wanted to be a face before retiring. Now that he is, I don't see them turning him heel again only to then turn him back to a face some point in the future.



But he isn't retiring anytime soon, and he was dead against turning face this time (until it was obvious that the DX revival was going to take off).

These days, the writers don't seem to worry about quick turns anyway. Some of them, they don't even bother explaining (see last Monday's Raw for an example of that).

[boonspoon]

I suppose. But at the same time, I just don't see it happening. Plus they've spent all this money promoting the DX return: The DVD, t-shirts etc... it seems silly for them to have Hunter turn again.

[tpr007]

Anyone watch Smackdown? Shockingly watchable last man standing match between Undertaker & Khali.

Some predictions for Summerslam:-

Rey Mysterio vs Chavo Guerrero (via Vickie heel turn :oh-hum: )
Mick Foley vs Ric Flair
Randy Orton vs Hulk Hogan (surely they wont put Hogan over)
DX vs The McMahons
Big Show vs Sabu (via RVD miscommunication)
King Booker vs Batista (there hasn't been enough build up for Dave to win)
Edge vs Cena

Hmm, not sure now as there is bound to be at least one title change. :suspect:

that's a lot of heel victories, which isn't like WWE at the big events. I can see Chavo, King Booker and Edge winning through interference of some kind. I'd like to see Hogan win (for the pop it would get) but think Brooke may interfere, and see him distracted for the RKO

That leaves DX winning and hopefully ending that feud, but also Sabu to win and set up an RVD feud. I also feel Flair may get the win over Foley again.

[GregB]

I've just read the results from Summerslam and boy am I glad I didn't waste £15 on that garbage

[Stu G]

I've just read the results from Summerslam and boy am I glad I didn't waste £15 on that garbage

Totally agree with you. And for once we all seemed to be in agreement about the majority of the results for the matches. Says something about how this current steaming pile is written and booked. I mean the card was hardly exciting in the first place!

[john316]

Can't remember the last PPV where something shocking or surprising happened :oh-hum:

[Chuckman]

Just read a report on the card and it sounds terrible, the only seemingly decent match on the card was the Rey vs Chavo one. I would of been brassed off if I spent £15 on this junk..

[tpr007]

After reading 411mania, they rated the Flair/Foley and Cena/Edge matches very highly.

[boonspoon]

After reading 411mania, they rated the Flair/Foley and Cena/Edge matches very highly.

The Flair/Foley match was good. Highlights included Foley practically throwing a barbed wire board and hitting Flair!!! :eek:

Plus Flair hitting Foley with some very stiff looking barbed wire baseball bat shots!!

[dmb6473a]

Flair vs Foley was a bloodbath, but they screwed up having it on the same PPV as a Sabu stunt show (a badly botched stunt show at that). The crowd just seemed dead for it.

The rest of the show was "meh" at best. Nothing really bad, but nothing that you'd want to watch again.

[infestedsicness]

I thought the ending to Flair/Foley was a bit random, and it got quite boring toward the end, and also, as I don't watch Smackdown I wasn't expecting that first match...it made me feel quite ill that they seemingly used the love of a great wrestler who has died as a storyline.

[Chuckman]

I thought the ending to Flair/Foley was a bit random, and it got quite boring toward the end, and also, as I don't watch Smackdown I wasn't expecting that first match...it made me feel quite ill that they seemingly used the love of a great wrestler who has died as a storyline.

I thought Vickie wanted nothing more to do with WWE after the death of her husband?

[Blokie]

I thought Vickie wanted nothing more to do with WWE after the death of her husband?

$$$$$$$$ talk

[infestedsicness]

Yea, that was the thing that almost made me wretch, when "the widow" (thanks JR, or maybe it was Lawler that said it) came down the aisle, I was only watching bits anyway whilst skipping most, but that was the last straw and I just motored past it. To my ears as well there wasn't any kind of "R.I.P." or any kind of respect shown for Eddie at all.

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I thought Vickie wanted nothing more to do with WWE after the death of her husband?



She was convinced by numerous people that it's what Eddie would have wanted. The bizarre thing is that they are probably right, as difficult as that may be to believe.


Raw this week: -

Vince gets his ass out again.........and I'm not referring to Shane.

What a way to end Foley's latest run. Especially if they aren't going to give him a comeback. :oh-hum:

[GregB]

She was convinced by numerous people that it's what Eddie would have wanted. The bizarre thing is that they are probably right, as difficult as that may be to believe.


Raw this week: -

Vince gets his ass out again.........and I'm not referring to Shane.

What a way to end Foley's latest run. Especially if they aren't going to give him a comeback. :oh-hum:

absolutely pathetic wasn't it. What was the point in getting Jef Hardy involved with Edge ? Get him in a decent mid card feud.

[Chuckman]

Thanks for the replies. Maybe she does suit her but most likely doing it to support her family since Eddie's gone.

[fadeaway53]

Doesn't get any better....

Smackdown spoiler from 411:-

Vicki Guerrero comes to the ring and addresses the crowd. She apologizes for getting involved in the Guerrero vs. Mysterio PPV match and said she is going to move on with her life, but first she wants to apologize to both. Mysterio comes to the ring. She apologizes to Rey and they hug. Guerrero comes to the ring and hugs Vicki as well. They are all about to leave when Chavo attacks Rey. He goes to hit Rey with a chair, but Vicki stops Chavo and takes the chair away...then hits Rey with it. Chavo DDT's Rey on the chair. He and Vicki hug and leave Rey laying in the ring.

End this angle now :mad:

[tpr007]

it's pretty sickening to watch. I thought we'd seen the last of it months ago.

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it's pretty sickening to watch. I thought we'd seen the last of it months ago.


Considering that they still keep dragging up Bret Hart and Montreal, I think this one might run and run.


I'd sooner watch Ring of Honor DVDs these days. Good matches and angles that actually make sense. Its a novel concept, but maybe Vince will try it again someday.

[internetuser]

2 cold scorpio has had a try out with ECW....