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I'll be cheering for the clear underdogs, Aussies ftw :p
Good luck to the Aussies, I have a feeling this might go to an ET decider.
unrealnils
26-06-2006, 13:24
Another grand prediction here ;)
3-1 to the italians with the italians with Totti scoring :notworthy
welshmatt
26-06-2006, 14:11
Bloody hell ITV have given this 50 mins of pre-match coverage. Wonder how they will fill the time ;)
Bloody hell ITV have given this 50 mins of pre-match coverage. Wonder how they will fill the time ;)
by
a) waffiling on about england for 40 minutes
b) telling people to 'press the red button'
c) telling people to 'visit our web site'
d) waffling on about england some more.
sharp_circle
26-06-2006, 14:16
e) by showing 40 minutes of adverts.
unrealnils
26-06-2006, 14:28
Totti out and del boy in :eek: ...............
Italy (confirmed): Buffon; Zambrotta, Cannavaro, Materazzi, Grosso; Perrotta, Gattuso, Pirlo, Del Piero; Gilardino, Toni.
Marcello Lippi has sprung a major surprise by replacing Francesco Totti with Alessandro Del Piero in the side for today’s match against Australia.
The Roman, despite his mediocre form, was set to still start in the last 16 clash but the Coach has thought otherwise.
Instead, Del Piero will start in an attacking wide left position and will provide support for an attacking duo of Alberto Gilardino and Luca Toni.
f) enter our stunning competition to win a trip to see England
AdamBrunt
26-06-2006, 14:34
e) by showing 40 minutes of adverts.
f) giving instructions on how, if you're prepared to pay £2 per min, you could win 2 tickets to Saturday's England game if you can tell them which England player was sick on the pitch on Sunday ... i) David Beckham ii) Geoff Hurst or iii) Jermaine DeFoe ;)
Kewell out with a groin strain
LouBarlow
26-06-2006, 14:38
Kewell out with a groin strain
Kewell out injured?
There's a first! Must be a big game...
AdamBrunt
26-06-2006, 14:40
Kewell out injured?
There's a first! Must be a big game...
The same Kewell who got the Aussies into the last 16 ... obviously as big a player for the Aussies as Beckham is for England ;)
1523 BST: Alessandro Del Piero has been given the chance to turn back the clock - he replaces Francesco Totti in the Italy team and will probably line up in a three-man attack.
1517 BST: Australia winger Harry Kewell is pictured arriving at the Fritz-Walter-Stadion in Kaiserslautern on crutches - and it is soon confirmed that he will miss the match with a groin strain.
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Italy: Gianluigi Buffon, Gianluca Zambrotta, Fabio Cannavaro, Marco Materazzi, Fabio Grosso, Gennaro Gattuso, Andrea Pirlo, Simone Perrotta, Alessandro Del Piero, Luca Toni, Alberto Gilardino.
Australia: Mark Schwarzer, Lucas Neill, Craig Moore, Tim Cahill, Jason Culina, Mark Viduka, Vince Grella, Scott Chipperfield, Luke Wilkshire, Mile Sterjovski, Marco Bresciano.
cheeseypuffs
26-06-2006, 14:50
1517 BST: Australia winger Harry Kewell is pictured arriving at the Fritz-Walter-Stadion in Kaiserslautern on crutches - and it is soon confirmed that he will miss the match with a groin strain.
:( Very bad news for him and the Aussies, he played a blinder in the last game and probably would've been their biggest threat today.
(edit - ignore me, they are wearing blue shirts! must've caught the butt end of a longer chat.)
LouBarlow
26-06-2006, 15:03
The same Kewell who got the Aussies into the last 16 ... obviously as big a player for the Aussies as Beckham is for England ;)
C'mon, the guy is the new Darren Anderton!
KennyVader
26-06-2006, 15:05
(edit - ignore me, they are wearing blue shirts! must've caught the butt end of a longer chat.)
No he definitely said that FIFA rules said they should be in white today, but they were wearing trademark blue anyway.
Don't know what the story is, he didn't explain it further than that
AdamBrunt
26-06-2006, 15:18
C'mon, the guy is the new Darren Anderton!
Still played in more big games than any of your Chelsea boys though ;)
LouBarlow
26-06-2006, 15:21
Still played in more big games than any of your Chelsea boys though ;)
Now I know you're having a laugh :lol:
Played in the Champions League Final though, fair play....till he realised it wasn't going to plan and decided to hobble off as he does every single bleedin' time :p
how long did he last in the champions league finals? that said he is a big player for the oz team
unrealnils
26-06-2006, 15:32
Wow could have been 3 to taly so far but some good defending by the aussie and the goalie............
Come on Gila !!!
That was just mad! :nuts:
Matterazi off. Do we have a upset on our hands?!!
That was a straight red? Bit harsh really
snow patrol
26-06-2006, 16:09
very harsh
That was a straight red? Bit harsh really
As there was covering defenders then it did look harsh unless he got it for deliberately taking the player out with no intention to play the ball.
Cahill won't last until the end without another card ....
welshmatt
26-06-2006, 16:10
The Italian conspiracy theorists will be out again if they dont get through.:lol:
The Italian conspiracy theorists will be out again if they dont get through.:lol:
They haven't got over 2002 yet!
Not seen in properly yet but the angle ESPN showed it, It looked like it was 2 footed
unrealnils
26-06-2006, 16:21
Wtf!!! :(
Looked like Materazzi took out Zambrotta more than Bresciano!!!
Nuts red card.
unrealnils
26-06-2006, 16:31
The italian king is on can he make a diffrence ?
AdamBrunt
26-06-2006, 16:33
Now I know you're having a laugh :lol:
Played in the Champions League Final though
Exactly .... how many CL finals have the likes of Cole, Lampard and Terry played in ??
DVDWotcha
26-06-2006, 16:34
Why does football not have an equivalent of the "third umpire" ? You'd think in this day and age they would have another ref who could review the TV pics and override the onfield ref if a decision is particularly bad ?
unrealnils
26-06-2006, 16:34
makaleles played 3 i think ??
unrealnils
26-06-2006, 16:36
Why does football not have an equivalent of the "third umpire" ? You'd think in this day and age they would have another ref who could review the TV pics and override the onfield ref if a decision is particularly bad ?
Politics the head honcho (Blater) would lose to many votes in Africa and be ousted or so i heard ramblings of the sort might be otter tosh but sounds mad enough to be true :doh:
TigaSefi
26-06-2006, 16:43
C'mon Australia!!!
Australia just have nothing going forward. They've got no creativity and are playing scrappily. No one's playing the ball at the right time or shooting early enough
LouBarlow
26-06-2006, 16:48
makaleles played 3 i think ??
:thumbs:
Shevchenko has played a few too :thumbs:
unrealnils
26-06-2006, 16:49
******** i forgot you have him too :(
Typical Italian play, cheat...
that was Harsh on the dingos but a good penalty
KennyVader
26-06-2006, 16:51
Booooooooo cheating buggers. Not happy about that. Predict Aussies rioting tonight.
pompeyfan
26-06-2006, 16:51
What a travesty - cheating ********
LouBarlow
26-06-2006, 16:51
Poor refereeing is deciding too many games now - FIFA need to have a rethink.
TigaSefi
26-06-2006, 16:51
That's never a penalty!!!
I'm losing faith in the international game, what a dive. Cheating Italians :razz:
basegreen
26-06-2006, 16:51
Cheating, cheating italian *******. Ruined the game. Utterly appalling.
unrealnils
26-06-2006, 16:51
Not sure if it was a foul goota see it again
The italian king is on can he make a diffrence ?
He can and does played :notworthy
Disgraceful decision.... Muppet!
BlueDwarf
26-06-2006, 16:52
So, cheats do prosper.
Shame that Totti took the pen - unfit or not, he has been shocking this WC.
Very Poor from the ref. Feel very sorry for the socceroos
poissony
26-06-2006, 16:52
Can't stand Lucas Neill but that was never a penalty.
I feel sick for them !!!!!!
Italy 1 World Cup Football 0
redmosquito
26-06-2006, 16:53
What a bunch of ******* **** :mad:
raymondlin
26-06-2006, 16:53
I need a bucket, throw up and then pour it over that ref.
KennyVader
26-06-2006, 16:53
That was shameful on Italy's and the ref's part.
Travesty of the tournament.
Wish it would have just moved to extra time.
FIFA need to have a rethink.
I can't see that happening, as long as the refs keep flashing the cards FIFA will be happy. A very poor decision considering the ref was right there. Perhaps he wanted to make amends for the harsh red card but to give that penalty is cruel beyond belief.
Fair play to the Aussies, they didn't make too much of a big deal out of a brainless decision by the ref.
bubbachups
26-06-2006, 16:55
That ref MUST have been bribed! It's so obvious, I can't believe it. As a completely neutral spectator this is horrible to see. The World Cup is being wrecked by the refs it seems.
KennyVader
26-06-2006, 16:56
Bloomin ITV cutting off for adverts instantly, if this had been on the BBC they might still be in the stadium showing the crowd reaction :mad:
Best team won in the end but the way they did so was unjustified. Australia should have broken them down far more effectively than they did.
That ref MUST have been bribed!
But by what team?
That ref MUST have been bribed!
:lol:
Peter UK
26-06-2006, 16:57
Harsh.
Neill was stupid going to ground and missing like that at the end though, what was he thinking?!
Spose the Italians are due a bit of luck :lol:
Bravoman
26-06-2006, 16:58
Gutted for the Aussies...What a rotten decision by the ref...But has to be said Aloisi was falling over at the slighest contact too.....
Now I've seen that I think that no penalty should be given in injury time. It should be given at the start of the extra time. It's so unfair that the other team don't get a chance to at least get a goal back.
DVDWotcha
26-06-2006, 16:59
Poor refereeing is deciding too many games now - FIFA need to have a rethink.
Agreed, it's just nuts that they don't have off pitch refs these days. All major decisions should be reviewed from the TV pictures.
Pisces Iscariot
26-06-2006, 17:00
It was very bad defending that let Italy get into that position though. Grosso shouldn't have been allowed into the box and then Neil was crazy to go to ground in the box!
The Aussies should have had Aloisi and Kennedy on with at least 25 minutes to go but they did very little. I hate to see Italy's boring football go through but they were the better team.
rogeralpine
26-06-2006, 17:01
Poor refereeing is deciding too many games now - FIFA need to have a rethink.
Agree - complete joke some of these decisions. There has to be a way of reviewing the action and making a correct informed decision without stalling the game! :razz:
basegreen
26-06-2006, 17:01
Basically the referee decided the winner there. Bungtastic.
unrealnils
26-06-2006, 17:02
Seen it again it wasnt a foul even though the seria a fan in me wants to find it a foul :lol:
Best team won in the end but the way they did so was unjustified. Australia should have broken them down far more effectively than they did.
Yeah at the end italy played better and deserved to go through :clap:
Seems like Blatter wanted the beautiful game to come out with these refs. Shame it's turned into a joke
shedbuilder
26-06-2006, 17:05
Never a penalty, heartbreaking for the Aussies
terrible to see such cheating, god knows what the ref was thinking you could see the oz player had gone down already to block the cross and the cheat just dived. This sort of thing ruins the world cup, nothing to do with getting a bit of luck it was just plain old cheating
unrealnils
26-06-2006, 17:05
WIth driving from both sides the ref made some good decisions during the game just a shame he did it when it really mattered
Now I've seen that I think that no penalty should be given in injury time. It should be given at the start of the extra time. It's so unfair that the other team don't get a chance to at least get a goal back.
So if it was milan vs utd champions league final and 30 secs from end 3rd min of injury time of the 90 mins and extra time guttuso headbutts rooney you'd be happy to see the pen given later on when extra time start :suspect:
Well according to the likes of the BBC, FIFA is as corrupt to the core as any so as long as the money keeps flowing into their pockets don't think they would care.
Even though Aussies had most of the ball, you could see how much more class Italy had when they did break which, ultimately, led to their goal.
Was never a penalty though! :lol:
Italy in dodgy decision shocker. Mind you, might make up for the S Korea game 4 years ago! :D
Disappointed in the Aussies, seemed to be missing Kewell.
utd champions league final
:lol:
The longer the game went on and even with extra time looming I fancied Italy to get the winner but I never thought it would come like that. It was bad defending to let Grosso get into the box but he knew what he was doing by 'tumbling' over Niel's legs.
Very naive stuff from the Austrailian defender. Last second of the game, the
Italian is always going to fall over you if the opportunity presents it.
WIth driving from both sides the ref made some good decisions during the game just a shame he did it when it really mattered
So if it was milan vs utd champions league final and 30 secs from end 3rd min of injury time of the 90 mins and extra time guttuso headbutts rooney you'd be happy to see the pen given later on when extra time start :suspect:
That goes for all teams. Or perhaps add three extra minutes.
Definate pen - aussie defender went to ground and left the Italian no where to go.
Aussies were very poor, especially second half. They never made the extra man tell and Hiddink bottled it on the subs front.
does not matter if its naive or not it was a dive by a cheat
unrealnils
26-06-2006, 17:15
Do we know why matrix got him self sent off was it two footed challenege :shrug:
Fair enough Micon i thoguht you might change you mind if it was that much a stake
:lol:
huh
swanny i am at a loss as to how you can say that was a definate penaulty
snowball
26-06-2006, 17:18
poor aussies. Hiddink - best international manager around by miles! Expect to see him back in the finals with Russia in 4 years :)
poor aussies. Hiddink - best international manager around by miles!
Yeah, he really showed them today. :thinking:
snowball
26-06-2006, 17:21
Yeah, he really showed them today. :thinking:
sorry, todays Aussie performnance was crap... but overall he's still the best manager by miles :thumbs:
mattwakeman
26-06-2006, 17:47
To lose to a dive was bad (but funny) but the Aussies never went for it at all today which I just don't understand. Italy always looked the more threatening and on the balance of play deserved to go through.
But yet another game decided on refereeing decisions. The players aren't helping them but I am getting sick of seeing decisions made which are just wrong.
Ah well Oz, this is what happens when you sit down and eat at the top table.
snow patrol
26-06-2006, 18:01
Now I've seen that I think that no penalty should be given in injury time. It should be given at the start of the extra time. It's so unfair that the other team don't get a chance to at least get a goal back.
it was obviously a bad call in this case, but that idea is just :cuckoo: :cuckoo:
sorry, todays Aussie performnance was crap... but overall he's still the best manager by miles :thumbs:
I would agree he is usually very good but I don't know what came over him today.
huh
the idea that the current Man U team would make the European Cup Final...
cockbongo
26-06-2006, 19:47
If England had gone out to Italy in exactly the same way we wouldn't hear the end of it for another 4 years. You'd all be demanding a rematch.
Terrible decision, terrible for the Aussies. Cheating Italian ********.
snowball
26-06-2006, 19:58
i guess the Italians will be laughing their heads off at Hiddink today. What goes around comes around was the comment by someone on the BBC . Not sure what to make of that really, as it was dodgy referees which carried South Korea to the Semis not anything dodgy by Hiddink.
I think Scotland or Wales could do with a manager like Hiddink. But could they afford him ? :)
stallion
26-06-2006, 20:36
That was close but in the end I think the best team won.
Before italy were reduced to 10 men they had more chances to score and really should have scored with one or two of them. The Aussies held onto the ball well but werent able to find a cutting edge and even after Italy went down to 10 men didnt seem to commit enough people forward.
Regards the penalty it looks like I'm the only one who agrees with swanny in that it was a penalty. Neill should never have gone to ground and he makes contact with Grosso although you can say that you have seen ones like that not given and Italy were rather fortunate.
I suppose we were due a slice of luck after the debatable sending off although it still doesnt make up for 4 years ago :D
lostboy182
26-06-2006, 20:38
does not matter if its naive or not it was a dive by a cheat
And the number of times Lucas "thug" Neill kicks a forward off the ball week in week out in the premiership isn't cheating?
The thug got his comuppance :thumbs:
swanny i am at a loss as to how you can say that was a definate penaulty
I thought it was a justifiable pen also - the defender (needlessly) went to ground right across the path of the attacker. The attacker is well within his rights to keep going and to go over the defender if he is daft enough to put his body directly in the way.
And the pen decision was certainly more justified than the red card!
lostboy182
26-06-2006, 20:42
I thought it was a justifiable pen also - the defender (needlessly) went to ground right across the path of the attacker. The attacker is well within his rights to keep going and to go over the defender if he is daft enough to put his body directly in the way.
And the pen decision was certainly more justified than the red card!
Its called "drawing the foul" (Michael Owen's own words) - Owen is a class expert at it.
This whole holier than thou attitude is one of the reasons England have won nothing for 40 years. - Time to fight fire with fire and even the playing field.
Time to fight fire with fire and even the playing field.
Despite the crackdown they announced before the start of this tournament FIFA still turn a blind eye to players diving and feigning injury so perhaps it is time for England to join in as it seems that is the only way to get ahead.
snowball
26-06-2006, 20:54
Its called "drawing the foul" (Michael Owen's own words) - Owen is a class expert at it.
wasnt it owen who 'drew the foul' in eng v argentina 4 years ago :)
welshmatt
26-06-2006, 20:58
I actually put a bet on that Owen would win a penalty in that match.
And dont forget a similar event 4 years before that as well ;)
Despite the crackdown they announced before the start of this tournament FIFA still turn a blind eye to players diving and feigning injury so perhaps it is time for England to join in as it seems that is the only way to get ahead.
Although I actually don't believe that Italy's pen today was the result of a "dive" in that sense.
The defender put himself in the path of the attacker so the attacker simply continued on his way and allowed himself to fall over him. Lucas Neill made it so easy for him that there wasn't actually any need to dive!
The defender put himself in the path of the attacker so the attacker simply continued on his way and allowed himself to fall over him.
Well I actually thought he took a step to the right to go round the defender then thought 'oh hang on, I think I'll trip over him instead'.
'I thought it was a justifiable pen also - the defender (needlessly) went to ground right across the path of the attacker. The attacker is well within his rights to keep going and to go over the defender if he is daft enough to put his body directly in the way.'
The defender went down to block the cross, nothing changes the fact the attacker was not tripped by the defender the attack just used him to fall overin order to gain the penaulty. it was horrible to watch ruins the game.
'The thug got his comuppance '
no idea about this one i have never seem him play but it does not change what the cheat did IMO.
Well I actually thought he took a step to the right to go round the defender then thought 'oh hang on, I think I'll trip over him instead'.
Wouldn't argue with that analysis actually - the attacker saw the chance to go over a prone defender and he and took it. But that's different to throwing yourself to the ground when no challenge has been made.
We'd all like to see the attacker make the effort to avoid the defender but in the real world that's not likely to happen.
Kewell diagnosed with gout
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/world_cup_2006/teams/australia/5119308.stm
If England had gone out to Italy in exactly the same way we wouldn't hear the end of it for another 4 years. You'd all be demanding a rematch.
More like 24 years :)
cheeseypuffs
27-06-2006, 09:56
'I thought it was a justifiable pen also - the defender (needlessly) went to ground right across the path of the attacker. The attacker is well within his rights to keep going and to go over the defender if he is daft enough to put his body directly in the way.'
The defender went down to block the cross, nothing changes the fact the attacker was not tripped by the defender the attack just used him to fall overin order to gain the penaulty. it was horrible to watch ruins the game.
'The thug got his comuppance '
no idea about this one i have never seem him play but it does not change what the cheat did IMO.
Thing is though, the defender was already on the ground when the attacker played the ball around him. The attacker ran into the defender, not the other way around, so at best it was obstruction and an indirect freekick.
Thing is though, the defender was already on the ground when the attacker played the ball around him. The attacker ran into the defender, not the other way around, so at best it was obstruction and an indirect freekick.
There's certainly a case that it could have been obstruction - when was the last time that was ever given in the penalty area though?
There's no doubt it was pretty opportunistic play from the Italian as he made the most of the situation that presented itself. But I wouldn't call that a "dive" as he didn't fabricate the entire thing a la Pires etc.
I admire the Aussies for what they've done so far, but it makes me laugh when they complain about the dubious penalty, conveniently fogetting that for the previous half hour they were caliming for penalties eveytime the ball hit any part of any Italian's body in the Italy box!!!!!
Live by the sword, die by the sword.
cheeseypuffs i was agreeing with your point no way was it a penaulty the bit on my reply was a quote by someone else. I watched it again last night and not only had the oz player already gone down and stopped moving (in order to block the pull back from the bye line) the cheating italy player hardley even made contact as he dived!!!
rob... was the the one where the ball hit the Italy players arm off a cross? it was ball to hand/arm so a agree the right decision was made but i don't know a team in the world who would not claim that. difference is if it had been in the oz box and hit an oz player 3 italy players would claim and 2 more would prob dive on the floor and roll round.
Aussies aren't too chuffed... :)
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=108965
We are a small footballing nation that gets no favours.
Peter UK
27-06-2006, 12:16
Spose they didn't get a favour in the game with Japan then? :lol:
Just realised it's Cahill talking! Make that :lol: :lol:
lostboy182
27-06-2006, 12:21
the cheating italy player hardley even made contact as he dived!!!
Italy know the tricks involved in tournament football - hence they are 3 time winners of the world cup.
We can all be happy and raise our heads high with a "oh look at us, we are so morally superior looking down on those nasty cheating Italians la di dah",
...but at the end of the day, which team is going home in the 2nd round and which team has a surefire route to the semis?
I'd be more than happy if Rooney did the same in the final and England won the world cup. It's a cut-throat business out there - the pure gentleman's game went about 60 years ago - hence our crap record in that time.
Peter UK
27-06-2006, 12:24
Italy know the tricks involved in tournament football.
We can all be happy and raise our heads high that we are so morally superior looking down on those "cheating Italians", but at the end of the day, which team is going home in the 2nd round and which team has a surefire route to the semis?
Let's not kid ourselves about moral highground and pointing at French divers.
Just a few games back an England star did exactly the same.
lostboy182
27-06-2006, 12:29
Let's not kid ourselves about moral highground and pointing at French divers.
Just a few games back an England star did exactly the same.
Absolutely - Gerrard did it to attain a penalty, and I say good on him. The press should get off his back about it - or he might think twice the next time the opportunity comes up - perhaps saturday.
Peter UK
27-06-2006, 12:36
Off his back? Didn't realise they were on it!
He should be thankful he's not one of those dirty filthy foreigners like Pires who've ruined the English game and should be downright thankful not to get labelled as 'that diver Gerrard' a la 'that diver Pires'. :doh:
soberion
27-06-2006, 12:38
I think what pains the most was the timing, last 10 seconds of stoppage time to win the game.
If it had been midway through the game I doubt there would be as much debate.
lostboy182
27-06-2006, 12:45
Off his back? Didn't realise they were on it!
Maybe I've been listening to too much Alan Brazil in the morning! He always has it in for "those foreign divers".
"An Australian man has been arrested in Italy for an assault on a local man
following the football match between Australia and Italy. Witnesses say the Australian man was 20m away when the incident happened.
The victim suffered a fractured skull, a cardiac arrest and has developed diabetes as a result of the incident. He is expected to recover in a few minutes."
;)
The vitctim was Italian right? :p
stallion
27-06-2006, 17:50
Aussies aren't too chuffed... :)
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=108965
We are a small footballing nation that gets no favours.
So I suppose you didnt get any luck when Kewell, who was offside, equalised against Croatia then! :thinking: :nuts:
It seems to me that the Aussies have got short memories :D
Anyway this is all academic as it was a deffo penalty :wave:
Agreed, it's just nuts that they don't have off pitch refs these days. All major decisions should be reviewed from the TV pictures.
Opinions about the merits of that decision still seem to be divided (on this board and elsewhere) - even after everyone has seen it from all angles.
So how exactly would a TV replay have resolved it "correctly" anyway?
I still fail to see how TV can be used for anything other than matters of absolute fact (i.e line calls).
I still fail to see how TV can be used for anything other than matters of absolute fact (i.e line calls).
It can't. Even if there was an option to throw something like this to a TV official it is still a matter of opinion not fact that he would be making a judgement on.
Ahh the Italians cheat to win a game again... Definate penalty? Pass the crack pipe :nuts:
Mind you, the Aussies have themselves to blame. After Italy had their player sent-off, the Aussies actually SLOWED the tempo down. Tut tut. Hiddink should have bought a striker on way before he did. This might be the only match I've seen Hiddink screw up in. As with van Basten, he got it wrong.
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