View Full Version : Lost - Season 2 Episode 23/4 ***SPOILERS***
robzinski
25-05-2006, 07:17
:eek: :eek: :eek:
So much happened there it was unbelieveable!
Eko, Locke and Desmond possibly dead!
The real world does still exist!
Jack, Sawyer and Kate captured!
Henry Gale was the leader, but its an even bigger question as to who 'They' are now though!
The hatch gone?
Michael & Walt off into the sunset
Where are Sayid, Jin and Sun?
What happened to the sky!
I think i'm going to have to watch that again!
KennyVader
25-05-2006, 07:53
Not sure if there should be two separate threads, in case it gets shown in two separate parts in the UK. Episode 23 ended right after Kate/Sawyer shot the person following them.
Well they showed us a lot, but they told us nothing in my opinion! Now there are even more questions!
Was quite good to see Desmond pieceing everything back together.
I liked Locke looking sheepish: "I was wrong" :lol:
What did Desmond mean, "I'm going to blow the dam, John"? He went and turned an electric key switch, and all hell broke loose - huh? I noticed during that sequence that notHenryGale didn't look too bothered by the noise and purple sky, he just fairly calmly put his hands over his ears, whereas all the others were freaking out, so he must have known what it was.
Weird how Charlie just turned up back on the beach grinning and being all evasive.
Looks like Michael is pure scum. He made a token effort at asking about "his friends", but at the end of the day just seemed to sail off without putting up much of a fight for them. Wonder if he will try and get help or not.
So megarich Penny is behind everything? The implication was she had a team in the Antarctic or somewhere looking for magnetic disturbances in order to find Desmond, but if he was merely lost at sea and washed up on some remote island how could she know about the magnetic stuff? She obviously is much more deeply involved than looking for Desmond. In which case how did she arrange for Desmond to get shipwrecked, and Kelvin being there already, etc etc?
Pretty odd Libby just giving a boat to Desmond.
I still maintain that if magnetism is what's supposed to have brought the plane down, it should have come down as one lump and then broke up on hitting the ground, which is not what we saw.
what the hell was that gigantic foot about? looked like something from jason and the argonauts! but with 4 toes :suspect:
maybe theres a huge 4 toed titan with one leg hopping around out there somewhere :?:
shand754
25-05-2006, 09:22
Looks like its Jim Robinson and his daughter behind it all!!!
Lots of good stuff here but lots more questions. They seem to have concluded some of the storylines, like the Hatch and Walt but opened up new ones.
I suspect that is the last we have seen of Michael and Walt for now, although I hope at some point they explain Walt's powers.
Desmond has to survive as they seem to be hinting at a pretty big link between him and Widmore through Penny so that makes me wonder if Locke or Eko are dead. I personally reckon they will all survive.
So the others are the good guys eh? Looks like Henry is the mysterious leader.
Nice to see Clancy Brown again, obviously Kelvin was in charge of the US troops in Sayid's flashback. I was surprised at how much they gave away about the hatch, inlcuding the origins of the map etc. Hopefully more will be explained in the next season and that is not all we are getting.
I agree that Charlie's reaction at the end was strange, he just seemed to be happy that Claire was concerned about him.
and what was the four toed statue all about?
Anyway lots to think about there, will probably watch it again at some point. Will be interesting to see where this all goes, I expect lots more of the others next season.
You know what makes me sad? Knowing that when Lost comes back answers to questions and information will start trickling in at an obscenely slow rate.
I still can't wait for it to restart though! I think this season finale was much better than last seasons.
ShakeyJake
25-05-2006, 10:16
Wow that was great! But when is it back?!
Hitman2411
25-05-2006, 10:44
Large scale Truman show experiment????
Mr Twister
25-05-2006, 11:44
Wow that was great! But when is it back?!
Mid Sep/start of Oct.
BizKiTRoAcH
25-05-2006, 13:21
This show is annoying me now. They are giving us more questions than answers. I felt this season had more downs than ups and I feel like its starting to drag now. I'm not that eager to get hold of season 3 when it comes out now.. I'll just wait until they are all out and watch them in one sitting.
Large scale Truman show experiment????
Well that was sort of what my "Wizard of Oz" theory was all about. The Truman show is essentially a different take on the WoO theme. The Truman show is on BBC1 on Fri night BTW.
I'm not sure though, this episode has got me thinking more along the lines of The Village. I won't go into details in case people haven't seen it.
In some ways the ep was disappointing but then again it wasn't. It was worth it for the final scene though. I originally though the the island was in the antartic and those guys were going to pick up Micheal on the way out. I had a feeling that it was going to be hard to leave the island unless you knew the right route.
Interesting that they let him go and won't let the others go. It reinfoces the idea that they were bought to the island. Now we know that Desmond caused it but what's to say they didn't lure him out? Also the plane was in trouble long before it crashed.
It was clear that Henry Gale is the real leader by the way he spoke, no wonder they were so kean to get him back. But how did he get trapped in the first place? Surely he must have been refering to himself when he said the leader was a great man.
Interesting how they've made him the leader, now he has a personal relationship with the survivors. Tom was a good villian but there was not enough interaction. One thing that annoys me is how the others could catch them so easily and they could stay hidden at the same time.
The pile of observations is interesting. Who's been filling them out? Clearly no ones reading them but there's a lot of them there. Will they go back and search them for clues? Were they also being duped?
The Statue thing is interesting, the only thing it reminds me of is the Colussus of Rhodes, one of the 7 wonders of the world. It stood in the port of Alexandria I think but it collapsed in Roman times. The other thing that springs to mind is Atlantis. What if the island is actually Atlantis? Maybe it didn't disappear it just disappeared from view?
Could Pam's dad be behind the whole thing? Did he get libby to engineer a meeting because he thought Desmond would never get a boat on his own?
The key was their the whole time and they didn't even know?!
Was the guy in the hatch really planning on sailing off in Desmonds boat? or was that just a lie to placate him?
The stuff that happened when the key was turned could be a rection of the magnetic layer of the atmosphere (the ionosphere?). Also if Henry didn't type the number why didn't things start flying? Was the lockdown because it hit 0 or was it a coincidence?
Looks like Locke, Eko and Desmond are dead, I hope not because two of the best characters are Locke and Eko!
Oh, and I think I've decided I never want them to reach a conclusion. I think I'd much prefer it if they ended with a WTF?! moment than a clear conclusion. I can't forsee that a solution, even a great one, can beat a moment like the one at the end of this episode. A hint is nice but the answer can't be. I'd accept it if they gave us the final piece in the jigsaw and we'd have to watch the whole thing again to piece it together and that final piece changed the meaning of things that went before it
Looks like Locke, Eko and Desmond are dead, I hope not because two of the best characters are Locke and Eko!
I'm sure thats the point of how good the cliff hanger (I've not seen it yet) is. They probably just wanted to make people think that 2 of the best (if not, THE best) characters are dead. I mean, can you imagine Lost without them? I can't :(
It wouldn't be a disaster but if they're alive they're taking a long time to find them!
ian_davies
25-05-2006, 14:59
Did anyone else scream at the TV "RUN!!!" when Locke & Eko just looked at each other? If they are both dead, I'm not watching. Simple as :P
Regardless, a great finale, some interesting points were raised, especially at the end. I have a feeling (and I'm probably completely wrong) that Penny's Dad is a major financial backer to Dharma, she knows about this, and probably knows what's going on. So she's set up that crew to keep an eye out for the magnetic field: "We missed it again" I believe was the line. But it still doesn't explain how Desmond got there.
Oh, and Kelvin wasn't his name in the earlier episode with Sayid according to the IMDB....
Anyway, it's going to be a long four months or so now! But there's plenty to mull over.
shand754
25-05-2006, 15:28
Interesting as well that we actually have a date for events now as the crash was dated in this episode as 22nd September 2004 which I believe was when the show started in the US.
I believe that's correct. I don't think it's a coincidence they picked the day of the show. Which means it's 21st-26th of November lost time which is funny because the island is looking pretty bleak recently. It also shows the plane crashed at 4:16, two of THE numbers
The date thing on the paper is a bit weird. Two weeks ago the numbers were different, 41602108:05. Presumably that's 16/4/02 @ 8:05am/pm. The weird thing is the two digit number before the time, 10 in this instance. Whenever the time goes above 9:59 it increases by one. So 12:32 would be 112:32 and the subsequent 11:05 would be 121:05. Now they're 922044:16 and an extra digit gets added for 10 O'clock onwards.
Maybe it's just a goof, who knows. Strange though
LouBarlow
25-05-2006, 17:43
The single most annoying thing about this season, is how they have totally ignored the plotline involving Locke encountering something in the early stage of season 1 - whatever it was seemed to make him mentally desperate to get in the hatch, yet we are no closer to discovering if it has messed with him or not :shrug:
Fatbloke
25-05-2006, 18:09
Oh, and I think I've decided I never want them to reach a conclusion. I think I'd much prefer it if they ended with a WTF?! moment than a clear conclusion. I can't forsee that a solution, even a great one, can beat a moment like the one at the end of this episode. A hint is nice but the answer can't be. I'd accept it if they gave us the final piece in the jigsaw and we'd have to watch the whole thing again to piece it together and that final piece changed the meaning of things that went before it
I actually see a 'real' ending as more possible now. I say this because we seem to have move slightly away from the 'mysterious' aspects of the island (beast, smoke etc) and more towards the physical aspects (geo-magnetism). This suggests to me that the writers do actually have a plan for the final phase of the series. I mean, why introduce real things that can be explained if they are then going to hit us with a 'Bobby in the shower' ending.
One question that stick out from that episode, aside from those already mentioned above: Who was burning the smoke fire? I believed Michael when he said he was going towards the beach, and when the sound arrived, we saw Saiid on the boat. Why set a fire then return to the boat??
My brain is completely fried! :nuts:
Love it! :D
This is bonkers... but in a good way!
The Widmores have something to do with Alvar Hanso and the creation of the Dharma Initative. The Widmore name has appeared a few times in season 2 (like on Sun's pregnancy test and the construction site in London).
Plenty about the Widmores here (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Widmore_construction) but *warning* it contains spoilers about the novel "Bad Twin", if you are planning to read that this summer!
Still wanting to know about the polar bears, the 'monster', Walt's 'abilities', who the others actually are, why Michael & Walt were allowed to leave (although I'm betting they won't get too far even if we never see them again)! Oh and Rousseau! What does she really know about the fifty million other people on this deserted island? She's been there 16 years, she must know quite a few of them!?
Nice to know how and why the plane came down, what the button was actually for and what led Desmond to the island. I think we can also deduce why Libby was in Hurley's hospital (a breakdown after her husband's death maybe?).
So many more tantalising avenues opened though! Especially things like that statue! :suspect:
The final scene was interesting. Is this the first time we've gone "real time" away from our survivors?
ascender
25-05-2006, 18:18
Couple of great episodes, but as usual, for every question it answered, it raised at least 2 more. I really enjoyed the pacing and the relevant flashbacks, the episodes just flew past.
Is that it confirmed that the plane came down because of the electro-magnetic field which is kept in check by pressing the buttons?
The way the final episode ended seems to suggest we are working towards a conclusion. I've seen mention of falling US ratings meaning S3 might be the finale. Who knows though.
chillster76
25-05-2006, 18:50
Great episode, so many many questions answered, so many more raised, so much better than the S1 finale.
WOW! .... So much to digest there, plus of course, a zillion new questions to bug us over the summer. I'm sure that was just a huge EMP we witnessed, which kinda explains why an overhead plane would lose control, and if that is the case, Locke & Ecko will be fine. Was a fantastic scene, with the hatch contents going nutz, especially the killer washing-machines heading in Charlie's direction. :D
Still have NO idea what the Others (or Good Guys as they now like to be known as) want with Jack, Sawyer & Kate ... unless they just see them as troublesome "leaders" of the LOST gang, who without them, will be literaly lost & powerless to hinder the Others .... although why they didn't target Sayid is weird?!? .... Anyways, a satisfying finale (Thank GOD it wasn't the mess Alias was!) ..... Roll on September. :D
WOW - a much better finale than S1 IMO. I hope Desmond hasn't died because he brought a bit of life back into it and his flashbacks were excellent, quite hopeful of this with the revelation that Penelope is somehow involved now. Seems strange to me that it took less than 108 minutes for them to get to and from Desmond's boat but the losties never seen it the entire time they were there?
The answers to questions ratio is shocking but hasn't that been the way all along, it would be wierd to have a season full of answers - almost like the writers have given up and couldn't be arsed any more! Regardless of how good or bad it gets, I will watch it until the end :)
adencool
25-05-2006, 19:35
I think the most interesting comment was desmonds to (I think sayid) ‘the hostiles’.
How does desmond know of the others (he spent 3 years in the hatch), obviously Kelvin has told him something about the others, which will maybe revealed it a latter flashback
joker3001
25-05-2006, 20:11
Mid Sep/start of Oct.
I thought they were going to start in Jan and do a 24 style straight through run without breaks.
shand754
25-05-2006, 20:18
I think they are going to show 9 episodes back to back from October through to late November/early December then take a break until Feb/Mar 07 and show the rest of the season without anymore breaks.
I really thought that the one guy in the Antarctic at the end was played by Matthew Fox (Jack) ... had to watch it a few times to see. I know now its not.
Thought they were doing a Ross/Russ type thing for a minute or two.
Interesting/ :dork: geeky spot here http://themisfitishere.blogspot.com/2006/05/why-did-crazy-desmond-have-2.html Regarding 2 different birds playing Desomnds girlfriend in his pictures.
I can understand it if they hadn't got the actress to play Pen signed up at the stage the original was took. But Pen's cleary been photoshopped in, so why not make sure the colour of her shirt is the same.
Or is the Black/White thing of relevance? :thinking:
shand754
25-05-2006, 20:35
Another thing that nobody has mentioned yet, wtf was that parrot flying at them squawking Hurley all about?
Cool episode, really enjoyed it.
This may sound dumb but are we really sure that Desmond crashed the plane? He just assumed because of the numbers etc i do hope we find it out cause one of the main points that bugged me.
Did nobody notice on here about how Desmond couldn't sail away and how Henry told Michael a specific coordinate otherwise he "wouldn't be able to leave" or something similar? Imo that was the most interesting and shocking aspect, he cannot sail away!!!!WTF
Where were Jack, Kate etc being taken there was no other boat or anything on that pier (notice it had a name as well they named a pier on a tropical island!!!!?? :suspect: )
They defiantly in a big bubble or something similar to Truman Show.
What ya think?
NicolaUK
25-05-2006, 20:54
What a cliffhanger :clap:
My OH pointed out the snowglobe mention to me, St Elsewhere anyone?
I think the most interesting comment was desmonds to (I think sayid) ‘the hostiles’.
How does desmond know of the others (he spent 3 years in the hatch), obviously Kelvin has told him something about the others, which will maybe revealed it a latter flashback
Kelvin, called them "Hostiles" in one of Desmond's flashbacks. Around the time Desmond asked if he could leave the hatch just once.
James
unrealnils
25-05-2006, 21:24
LOONY :thumbs:
Did nobody notice on here about how Desmond couldn't sail away and how Henry told Michael a specific coordinate otherwise he "wouldn't be able to leave" or something similar? Imo that was the most interesting and shocking aspect, he cannot sail away!!!!WTF
Desmon just sailed west would the big mangnet thing just mess wit the compass and make him sail all the way round ??
Cade Foster
25-05-2006, 21:29
Wow more happed in this episode than all season, Loved it and it was nice to see Desmonds flashback. Role on September/October
Well that was rather good! It didn't really answer any questions and it posed a lot more, but it was really enjoyable none the less. I just find it a shame that the apart from the first and last couple of episodes the series was rather dull.
Watching the first series I couldn't wait to get my teeth in to the next episode only to get let down by the lack lustre and frustrating season finale. And after the first couple of episodes of the first season I sorta lost intrest, I wanted to watch the next episode but I'd lost my drive and I wouldn't watch it as soon as it was out and would forget to watch it for weeks at a time and not just when the scheduling was completely stupid.
Anyway, top finale and I'm looking forward to the next but hopefully they start to wrap it up sooner rather than later. But unlike Camaj I'd be gutted if they left it open at the end, wanting to find the answers to the questions is what keeps me watching it, I'd be gutted if there was no ultimate resolution.
Interesting/ :dork: geeky spot here http://themisfitishere.blogspot.com/2006/05/why-did-crazy-desmond-have-2.html Regarding 2 different birds playing Desomnds girlfriend in his pictures.
I can understand it if they hadn't got the actress to play Pen signed up at the stage the original was took. But Pen's cleary been photoshopped in, so why not make sure the colour of her shirt is the same.
Or is the Black/White thing of relevance? :thinking:
I have a feeling that Bad Twin (http://www.thedvdforums.com/jump2.php?url=http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1401302769/thedvdforums-20) has something to do with this! ;)
Anyway, top finale and I'm looking forward to the next but hopefully they start to wrap it up sooner rather than later. But unlike Camaj I'd be gutted if they left it open at the end, wanting to find the answers to the questions is what keeps me watching it, I'd be gutted if there was no ultimate resolution.
I disagree....slightly. As good as it would be to have all the answers, i cant see it happening. Its like a very good Magic trick, you know, the one that keeps you amazed and thinking about it for ages. If you were told the answer you'd go "Oh.......very clever" then 2 mins later you wouldnt be talking about it anymore.
The series started off well then tapered off to averageness, before coming back with a vengeance for the last 6 or 7 episodes. Its gonna keep me hooked for a while yet.
Well that was rather entertaining....
although my Brain canny take it anymore Cap'n! Its screwed :D
Interesting point mentioned on one of the above links - Libby mentioned her deceased husband was named "David". Hurley's imaginary friend was called Dave. Coincidence?
68monkey
25-05-2006, 23:18
I really thought that the one guy in the Antarctic at the end was played by Matthew Fox (Jack) ... had to watch it a few times to see. I know now its not.
Are you sure? I only saw it on TV and haven't re-watched, but at the time, I could have sworn it was Matthew Fox all bundled up with those glasses on. I thought maybe the writers were throwing a "bad twin" at us.
I thought the episode was okay, but not great. Some of the writing seemed rather poor, especially the "touching moments" between Des and Pen and Des and Libby. Also, I was wondering if the writers were throwing in more literary references by giving Miss Widmore the name Penelope. Just like the Penelope of Homer's Odyssey, she swears to always wait for her man, who then goes and gets lost at sea on a quest. And does that mean maybe Desmond has a son he's never known? Which god did Desmond anger? The CEOs of Dharma and Widmore Labs? ;)
Also, while mentioning Homer, it seems only appropriate to talk about that four-toed foot. D'oh! :nuts: Maybe LOST isn't really a drama after all, but is really a clever satire of society as we know it, filled with clever references to literature and modern culture. :doh: (Let's just hope LOST doesn't last as long as The Simpsons! :nuts: )
Also, for those interested, the commercial they ran last night advertised the website www.hansocareers.com
And finally, if Locke and Ecko are dead, that would be a BIG blow to the series. Certainly they've survived. Just hoping that the series 3 opener has Sayid to the rescue, maybe recruiting Danielle's help (after she spots the black smoke?). There's still the character Alex to be developed. You know, Henry did say several episodes that the Others would NEVER let Walt go. Then again, maybe I'm just being optimistic that things will end rather brutally for Michael early in season 3 as the Others prevent Walt from leaving.
LeftHandedGuitarist
25-05-2006, 23:20
Oooh-hooo that was awesome! Loved all of it, edge of my seat all the way through ... so much to take in, too much to comment on ... so instead I'll highlight what were by far the best lines of the entire series to date:
ECKO: Charlie, do you know how they got the hatch door open?
CHARLIE: Nah, but if you hum it I can probably play it. :lol:
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LOCKE: I was wrong! :clap: :notworthy
mufflator
25-05-2006, 23:42
Nice episodes, but they mostly only confirmed what I already suspected. I've been saying on here ever since the start of season 2 that it was the hatch magnet that brought down the plane. I liked the way they tied it all together, though.
Nice twist of Henry being the leader of the Others - or at least that small group of them.
The big question is how that woman knew to look for the electromagnetic anomaly. I suspect it has something to do with her father - the actor who played him is quite an expensive actor these days having just come off 24 and The OC, so I think we'll be seeing more of him and I don't think he'd take the part if it wasn't a recurring role. He must have something to do with the British military, so does that mean we have something to do with Dharma?
I think it's safe to assume Locke and Ecko aren't dead.
LeftHandedGuitarist
25-05-2006, 23:54
quite an expensive actor these days having just come off 24 and The OC, so I think we'll be seeing more of him and I don't think he'd take the part if it wasn't a recurring role.
Yeah, I think Jim from Neighbours has appeared in every TV show ever made now.
Plus it looks like his character and company (Widmore) is going to be an integral part of the whole Lost mythology.
68monkey
25-05-2006, 23:56
ECKO: Charlie, do you know how they got the hatch door open?
CHARLIE: Nah, but if you hum it I can probably play it. :lol:
Also liked it when Charlie asked Claire if she wanted to hear about the killer fork again. :lol:
Thomas_h
25-05-2006, 23:58
omg.
That was one hell of an episode. I don't know where to begin and where to end. The thing that made the biggest impression on me was the huge foot. WHAT'S THAT ABOUT!?
Re the post that's suggesting it was just an EMP. Why would the hatch come flying like that then?
Couple of other things. It's very unrealistic that Ecko didn't die from the dynamite explosion. Charlie almost got killed and he was a lot further from the explosion.
Desmonds roomie called the others "the hostiles", but who's to say that he knows their true identity? In some way I do believe that they're actually the good guys as Henry said. But in an other way, he's prooved to be a lying scumbag.
Why did Libby call herself Elisabeth, when talking to Desmond and why didn't Desmond tell Pen about the letters?
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Looking back. I do believe every person was chosen. I can't see how else the relations (before the crash) can be explained. What chose them is the question.
Looking forward to season 3. We're probably going to learn a lot more about the others. And oh yeah. What was with the rock behind the big Dharmadoors? It was the ones that was guarded right?
Before the last sequence I would had bought in to the whole big scale Truman Show idea. But this doesn't fit it. Oh yeah and I DO think that the different girls in the pictures means something. There's deffinately an idea behind fitting them with good and bad (black) shirts.
mufflator
26-05-2006, 00:00
Oh, I'm not sure they're in a bubble. Remember back in S1 Sayid commented about how the compass was pointing in the wrong direction. The island has extraordinary magnetic properties as confirmed again in this episode. Desmond said he was sailing in a constant direction - well, that direction was obviously wrong from the outset. I think he just sailed in a circle back towards the island.
The co-ordinates given to Michael probably lead them back to a shipping lane or something where they will be seen.
As for why they can't get back, perhaps it is something to do with the military or a government who we know have sealed off several islands for exclusively military use.
I'm not sure it was an EMP either - EMPs don't create any light or sound as far as I'm aware? Nuclear blasts do (of which EMPs are an after-effect), however...
LeftHandedGuitarist
26-05-2006, 00:01
Why did Libby call herself Elisabeth, when talking to Desmond
Libby is short for Elizabeth.
68monkey
26-05-2006, 00:07
Looking back. I do believe every person was chosen. I can't see how else the relations (before the crash) can be explained. What chose them is the question.
That's a good point, and also the main question that has yet to be answered. Even if we buy into the idea that Desmond accidently caused the plane to crash by not entering the numbers, we still have no explanations for the numbers and all the links between the survivors.
I really hope we eventually get some answers to why Libby was in the asylum, and why Locke was in a wheelchair, among many, many other questions.
Thomas_h
26-05-2006, 00:09
oh okay. I thought about that but dismissed it again. I'm a dane ;)
KennyVader
26-05-2006, 00:15
The thing that made the biggest impression on me was the huge foot. WHAT'S THAT ABOUT!?
That Monty Python was there?
In some way I do believe that they're actually the good guys as Henry said.
I think we may have a "12 monkeys" scenario here, where they are actually enviromental terrorists or something trying to prevent whatever Dharma, Hanso and Widmore are doing on the island! So technically they may indeed be the good guys, we won't know until their motivation is explained. They could of course be disenfranchised and disillusioned employees of those various companies using their own technology against them? I'm sure it all goes right back to "the incident" in the 80s.
I really do think that the whole Philadelphia Experiment theory fits the bill. It would certainly help explain the whispers ie. they are surrounded by people, they just can't see them!
cockbongo
26-05-2006, 00:27
I thought it was a superb finale - absolutely chock full of exposition and with the right ration of answers/questions. I'm sure people will slate S2 for trying to cram too much in at the end but I thought it was a blast (no pun intended). So much to think about over the summer...
One definite answer popped up in that the work being carried out in the Pearl hatch is clearly a load of rubbish - Desmond was right in saying it was the other way around and the Pearl is where the psychological experiment was taking place.
I also can't believe they'd destroy the hatch - that would mean that the ultraviolet map would be destroyed and that's been cruelly underused. However they did also explain why there were two sets of handwriting on it.
Superb and i'll be watching it again i'm sure. Good to see a finale that was worth waiting for (i'm looking at you, Alias).
I've seen mention of falling US ratings meaning S3 might be the finale. Who knows though.
I haven't heard of any falling ratings and I think we can say with some certainty that S3 won't be the last. At the earliest S4 will be the last but I can't see them finishing before they reach 100 eps and I could see it going on for 8 or 9 years.
Even if they get off the island, they could spend a whole series tracking down the people who put them their, then another series exposing them etc.
After my huge post I realised I forgot a bunch of stuff:
The parrot/bird thing, someone else mentioned, what was that all about?!
The Desmond thing could be explained by following a compass to literally
I noticed that when they kidnapped Walt, Tom had a big black beard, now he has a thin white one.
Why did The Others give their boat away? Don't they need it?
The Garrison Desmond was in really didn't look like anywhere in Britain but the letters say it's in Essex! What's a scottish garrison doing in essex and isn't Essex the last place you'd see scenery like that?
The immunisation jabs are administered by a air pressure thing. This is a very new idea and I don't even know if it's made it out of the prototype stage. Why hasn't Jack noticed, as a Dr, he'd know that this was something almost futuristic and not in keeping with the 60's/70's equipment in the hatch.
While Jack, Kate and Sawyer are in deep do-do, Sayid, and the Koreans are off shore. There's a good chance they'll be able to rescue them, maybe even follow Michael.
The comment that The Others would never give Walt up, could mean that they wouldn't without Henry's permission but Henry's free to make that decision. Odd how the Others can be so sloppy sometimes but a step ahead at others.
Something I didn't notice, they guy in the hatch with Desmond, is the SAME guy who was in Iraq with Sayid, he was the one in charge of the American Army. :thinking:
That compass bearing will take Michael and Walt straight around the island to another place The Others have people waiting no doubt! I'm guessing that's at least half a season or more we won't be seeing them! Harold Perrineau is deffo not a 'regular' in the season 3 cast.
Yes, the great Clancy Brown (Shawshank Redemption and Carnivale) played Kelvin Inman, Desmond's hatch buddy and Joe Inman the bloke in charge in Iraq. Same bloke? Twin brothers? :shrug:
ratso-rizzo
26-05-2006, 05:37
On my local ABC network, after the credits rolled and prior to going straight into the next program (the news), they cut back to Lost (in widescreen HDTV, 5.1 sound etc), showing a beach on the island and what appeared to be another smaller plane crashing, presumably brought down by the electomagnetic pulse...
More arrivals just in time for S3?
Ratso
LouBarlow
26-05-2006, 06:05
Has anyone slowed down the sequence where that parrot flew at Hurley - that no ordinary bird surely?!
Or maybe just ropey cgi?
Thomas_h
26-05-2006, 07:59
That compass bearing will take Michael and Walt straight around the island to another place The Others have people waiting no doubt! I'm guessing that's at least half a season or more we won't be seeing them! Harold Perrineau is deffo not a 'regular' in the season 3 cast.
Yes, the great Clancy Brown (Shawshank Redemption and Carnivale) played Kelvin Inman, Desmond's hatch buddy and Joe Inman the bloke in charge in Iraq. Same bloke? Twin brothers? :shrug:
I'd be happy if you'd spoilered that fact about michael :|
jediross
26-05-2006, 08:04
Having only watched it through once Im prepared to be wrong but the bit at the end in the arctic/antarctic was there any mention of them picking up an electro magnetic signal, or was it just some sort of gps locator that I imagine all the boats in the race would have been using?
:shrug:
cockbongo
26-05-2006, 08:09
Having only watched it through once Im prepared to be wrong but the bit at the end in the arctic/antarctic was there any mention of them picking up an electro magnetic signal, or was it just some sort of gps locator that I imagine all the boats in the race would have been using?
It said on the computer screen "Electromagnetic Anomaly Detected".
On my local ABC network, after the credits rolled and prior to going straight into the next program (the news), they cut back to Lost (in widescreen HDTV, 5.1 sound etc), showing a beach on the island and what appeared to be another smaller plane crashing, presumably brought down by the electomagnetic pulse...
Can this be confirmed by any others?
tk421138
26-05-2006, 08:13
The Garrison Desmond was in really didn't look like anywhere in Britain but the letters say it's in Essex! What's a scottish garrison doing in essex and isn't Essex the last place you'd see scenery like that?
I assumed it wasn't the Scottish garrison, but was actually a military prison, housing inmates from across the country. Which was why the building looked unusual too.
The way I see it, is that if you had a huge magnetic force and wanted to create an EMP with it, you'd likely have to reverse the polarity of the magnet. Therefore everything that was attracted to the magnet would likely be repelled.
Apart from the potential danger to Locke and Eko in the hatch from killer washing machines going away from the magnet, that's how i think the hatch went flying to the beach. It was caught in the magnetic shockwave.
Strangely, when i read this post back, it seems like I actually know what I'm talkiing about. I can assure you all that I have no idea about EMP's :)
James
Having only watched it through once Im prepared to be wrong but the bit at the end in the arctic/antarctic was there any mention of them picking up an electro magnetic signal, or was it just some sort of gps locator that I imagine all the boats in the race would have been using?
:shrug:
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/6775/picture28nv.png
On my local ABC network, after the credits rolled and prior to going straight into the next program (the news), they cut back to Lost (in widescreen HDTV, 5.1 sound etc), showing a beach on the island and what appeared to be another smaller plane crashing, presumably brought down by the electomagnetic pulse...
More arrivals just in time for S3?
Ratso
Really :eek:
Someone must have a vid of it online?
ascender
26-05-2006, 08:46
Personally, I'd like to see this show come to a natural end within a couple more seasons, I don't think they can go on for season after season if the majority of eps are paced like the ones in the middle & majority of season 2.
I seem to remember Carlton & Damon on the official Lost podcast talking about a 7 year plan, but I may be imagining it.
James
KennyVader
26-05-2006, 08:52
The way I see it, is that if you had a huge magnetic force and wanted to create an EMP with it, you'd likely have to reverse the polarity of the magnet. Therefore everything that was attracted to the magnet would likely be repelled.
Apart from the potential danger to Locke and Eko in the hatch from killer washing machines going away from the magnet, that's how i think the hatch went flying to the beach. It was caught in the magnetic shockwave.
Strangely, when i read this post back, it seems like I actually know what I'm talkiing about. I can assure you all that I have no idea about EMP's :)
James
I don't think you can ever get metal objects sent flying AWAY from a magnet (unless they themselves are magnetically opposite). The magnetic device or geologic feature, whatever it is, could only have been pulling the washing machines and darts towards it; whatever "way round" the magnet is, i.e. N or S, it'll always pull ferrous metal towards it.
Hence the hatch landing in the beach camp (it had the entire island to land on, but somehow manages to aim right for Claire and Rose's bloke :suspect: ?) I think had to be ejected by some sort of explosion. Kelvin talked about the key "blowing a dam" so I wonder if the magnetic energy was somehow contained by some rock wall or similar, and turning the key blew up the rock wall, releasing the magnetic energy completely.
Did anyone else notice the glaring error that when the washing machines were trundling to the magnet, and the clock was crumpling etc, Eko's cross round his neck was remaining flat against his chest hanging down, despite being shown to be magnetically attracted a couple of weeks ago?
Yeah did notice that and I was wondering if maybe the magnet was behind him. Nonetheless it would most likely of been hurting him if it was.
James
PS Re: your theory. Yeah I think you're probably right about reversing the polarity of the magnet, although my "Magnetic Shockwave" sounds good :)
snow patrol
26-05-2006, 09:06
any notice this bit:
http://img155.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc252&image=34474_whoa.jpg
a sign of things to come hopefully ;)
ascender
26-05-2006, 09:10
any notice this bit:
http://img155.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc252&image=34474_whoa.jpg
a sign of things to come hopefully ;)
lol, yeah I noticed that straight away and then she moved her hands, but it just seemed really obvious, not sure why they didn't shoot it again.
On another forum, someone's mentioned about a US network having a short teaser thing afterwards with what looked like a small plane going down. Has anyone else seen this or heard about it? Or is it nonsense.
In another forum, someone's mentioned about a US network having a short teaser thing afterwards with what looked like a small plane going down. Has anyone else seen this or heard about it? Or is it nonsense.
Its been mentioned on the previous page, although I'm eagerly awaiting some kind of confirmation either in picture or video form.
Amazing episode; for my money, the best Lost episode ever. So much greatness!
Pleased to see Libby in Desmond's flashback. I opined recently that there might be a chance for us to learn her story through the flashback of somebody who's not already a regular; hopefully Desmond will survive to show us some more! And her dead husband was "David"... wacky idea:Hurley's imaginary friend wasn't in his mind, but projected from Libby's.
Wicked to see that The Pearl housed the real test subjects. And the Others' pretense at a simple life was greater than just dressing up -- an empty camp and a fake Dharma door! I imagine that they haven't given up their boat, and that some of their number will be waiting at Michael's destination to reclaim it. The harbour was the one mentioned in The Pearl's orientation video, where researchers would go to catch a ferry when their stint was over, so there must be something relatively near.
That the Others are "the good guys" is an interesting idea, and has got me thinking... have they done anything bad? They kidnapped people, but only those who were "good", and we don't know if doing so was to the benefit of those who were taken (and where are they now?). I don't think they've ever killed anyone, and the deaths of Ana-Lucia and Libby were as a result of Micahel's desperate actions: there were surely other ways he could spring not-Henry without violence, and he wasn't told he had to kill anybody. On the other hand, the crash survivors have killed three Others now! The last, shot by Kate, was unprovoked. Just how good do our heroes seem now?
I haven't read Bad Twin but I followed some of the links in this thread and would like to read it now. I wonder how seriously it's meant to be taken in terms of canon though:It seems that the book references Widmore and Hanso -- if it's fiction, even if we allow that Troup took inspiration from real companies he knew of, how much of what's in it can be trusted to be true? I ask because it's not just a companion piece to the show, but was on the island (in screenplay form) itself. The survivors won't ever read it as it was burned (didn't Hurley or Sawyer read some of it though?), but if it was to be taken as part of the Lost mythology, wouldn't it be a bit difficult to explain adequately?
From the earlier links, I see there's quite a lot of speculation about twins. Could any of the characters we've seen make cameos in flashbacks be twins of the people we think they are? (Literal twins, or doppelgangers maybe.) Or does the book exist to fuel such speculation when the real answer is different?
The stuff about Desmond's photo, and Kelvin's earlier appearance under a different name, is also very interesting...
Highlander
26-05-2006, 09:41
Can this be confirmed by any others?
Do 'The Others' have interent access and are membere here then? :D
wonderfibre
26-05-2006, 09:52
That the Others are "the good guys" is an interesting idea, and has got me thinking... have they done anything bad?
Ethan tried to kill Charlie. But it could be argued (at a stretch IMO) that he knew that Jack would save him.
tk421138
26-05-2006, 09:52
That the Others are "the good guys" is an interesting idea, and has got me thinking...
I don't think they've ever killed anyone
Goodwin killed Nathan - the one A-L thought was an other.
Ethan tried to kill Charlie. But it could be argued (at a stretch IMO) that he knew that Jack would save him.
He killed either Scott or Steve too.
Ah, of course, I forgot about those killings. Maybe they've not done any harm to the "good" survivors. (I'm reaching now.)
Good episode with lots of questions left open.
Getting a glipse of the outside world as someone has already said "in real-time" is interesting.
I think the biggest question is still who the hell are the others and what are they up to?
DrVenkman
26-05-2006, 10:27
The only thing that has bothered me about this is Charlie at the end.
He's being deliberately obtuse, and first of all I put it down to him not caring about Locke and Eko. But when watching it again I think it's clear that some time passes. First of all from when the Hatch blows up and Charlie appears, and then from when Charlie appears and when him and Claire talk.
I'm thinking now that something happened that we aren't privvy to yet. Locke and Eko are not dead, it wouldn't be a wise move to kill them. Just look at what was LEFT OUT of the episode. We don't see Charlie actually escape, and we don't see Eko and Locke get killed. When Charlie says "They're not back yet?" It seems like he knows they're alive but is suprised to find they're not around. It's maybe why Charlie is somewhat cocky, he knows everyone is alive and he knows something that we don't.
I think Season 3 will start directly on from this one. And similar to Season 2 we'll see what happened in the hatch.
The Garrison Desmond was in really didn't look like anywhere in Britain but the letters say it's in Essex! What's a scottish garrison doing in essex and isn't Essex the last place you'd see scenery like that?
you've obviously never been to colchester cam.
Did anyone else notice the glaring error that when the washing machines were trundling to the magnet, and the clock was crumpling etc, Eko's cross round his neck was remaining flat against his chest hanging down, despite being shown to be magnetically attracted a couple of weeks ago?
It gets ripped off a few seconds later, but it was odd how it didn't react until that point.
Ian Vinten
26-05-2006, 10:55
On my local ABC network, after the credits rolled and prior to going straight into the next program (the news), they cut back to Lost (in widescreen HDTV, 5.1 sound etc), showing a beach on the island and what appeared to be another smaller plane crashing, presumably brought down by the electomagnetic pulse...
More arrivals just in time for S3?
Ratso
Was reading about this over at the lost-forums and people on there think it was a mistake by your local network.
Are you near Philadelphia?
ratso-rizzo
26-05-2006, 11:17
Yip - not sure how it could be an error though...
Ratso
Boozyuzi
26-05-2006, 11:20
Great episode - maybe the magnetics going off help to heal people of their injuries. Ecko & Charlie were injured by the dynamite but the magnetic field healed them ? It would explain why Charlie is OK and acting wierd and give a reason for Ecko & Desmond to survive + explain Locke's recovery from the wheelchair.
Ian Vinten
26-05-2006, 11:20
Here's (http://lost-forum.com/showthread.php?t=40968) that thread
raymondlin
26-05-2006, 11:45
I am done trying to understand/explain/decrypt......etc LOST this season, it seems the more you think about it, the more holes and questions it brings up which is what made me hate season 1. By not thinking about it i've enjoyed season 2 a lot more.
LeftHandedGuitarist
26-05-2006, 11:59
The extra clip at the end has been explained.
It was a mistake by the broadcasters in Philadelphia. They accidentally started playing the Lost recap show they had broadcast a few nights before, and that show starts with the opening footage from season 2 episode 7 - the tail end of the plane crashing into the ocean.
gavinhanly
26-05-2006, 12:48
The way I see the whole "good guys" thing going is mainly the story conceit that no one ever really thinks of themselves as bad guys, they always have some justification for what they are doing. Hence, the Others may feel they are doing the right thing - and hence are the "good guys".
The way I see the whole "good guys" thing going is mainly the story conceit that no one ever really thinks of themselves as bad guys, they always have some justification for what they are doing. Hence, the Others may feel they are doing the right thing - and hence are the "good guys".That's what I was going to post, post stealer. You're obviously one of the bad guys!
Spooksta
26-05-2006, 13:21
By the end of season 4 the losties will be the the new "others" and some new losties will arrive and the show will turn full circle. The losties that dont turn will either die or go mad :nuts: like the french woman.
Just a "maybe" :)
mufflator
26-05-2006, 14:25
That the Others are "the good guys" is an interesting idea, and has got me thinking... have they done anything bad? They kidnapped people, but only those who were "good", and we don't know if doing so was to the benefit of those who were taken (and where are they now?). I don't think they've ever killed anyone, and the deaths of Ana-Lucia and Libby were as a result of Micahel's desperate actions: there were surely other ways he could spring not-Henry without violence, and he wasn't told he had to kill anybody. On the other hand, the crash survivors have killed three Others now! The last, shot by Kate, was unprovoked. Just how good do our heroes seem now?
They almost killed Charlie in S1. And they killed the guy Ana-Lucia thought was an Other and put in the hole.
Ian Vinten
26-05-2006, 15:02
I was wrong.
:)
chillster76
26-05-2006, 15:23
I was wrong.
Possibly the best line of any TV show in a long while!
mufflator
26-05-2006, 15:26
Ooh, here's something I jsut realised.
Desmond mentioned he was trying to sail to Fiji. Christmas Island is in Fiji, and was the site of some of the major British nuclear detonation tests.
Desmond said it would take about a week to sail from the Island to Fiji.
Here's a quote from someone who witnessed the nuclear tests at Christmas Island:
"At the end of the countdown, there was a blinding electric blue light, of such an intensity I had not seen before or ever since."
Sounds awfully like the light Claire described...
I think this reinforces my theory that the British military/government are involved with it and the hatch blast had more in common with a nuclear blast than simply an EMP.
I also think Desmond's girlfriend's Dad recruited Desmond without him realising it...
and it would help explain "the sickness" wouldn't it!
mufflator
26-05-2006, 15:35
Maybe the others are descendants of the island's previous population before the military evicted them much like they did on Christmas Island. The foot statue could be a legacy of an old civilisation.
ShakeyJake
26-05-2006, 15:55
Maybe the 4 toes thing is the result of exposure to nuclear fallout
Maybe the 4 toes thing is the result of exposure to nuclear fallout
...so we can expect Jin to start catching fish with three eyes soon? :D
Spooksta
26-05-2006, 16:31
Or people will start getting "The sickness"
I know what they've said it's not...
http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2006-05-09-lost_x.htm
Lindelof and Carlton Cuse, the executive producers who oversee Lost, say the survivors are not dead and trapped in some kind of purgatory. Nor does Lost take place as a dream or hallucination in one character's mind — a concept they call "the snow-globe theory," after the hospital drama St. Elsewhere, which was revealed in its 1988 finale to have all taken place in the snow globe of an autistic boy. ...but I for one demand that someone in merchandising produce a Lost snowglobe!
I want the Lost island with the logo behind it (as seen on the cover of "Bad Twin")!
http://hometown.aol.com/goldfishrich/images/lostlogo.jpg
A pacific island where it snows! :nuts:
God, I'm obsessed! :dork:
It wouldn't make sense with the whole Australia to L.A detoured to Fiji flight plan, but the final scene made me think of the magnetic poles. There are magnetic poles and geomagnetic poles, not at the actual north and south poles, but close to them and they can move around a bit.
So what if they are in a bio-dome experiment type setup at one of the (geo)magnetic poles, would explain how the polar bears got there :D
sparkyrob
26-05-2006, 19:21
I was actually quite satisfied with the answers in this finale :)
- We now know why the plane crashed.
- We now know what the button controlled.
Those were the two main ones for me. Of course, I have no idea why Desmond agreed to go along with letting the timer run out after what happened the first time he did so...
Still, looking forward to series 3. In all honesty though, I really can't see how they could milk a series 4 out of it. There's not *actually* that much more left to learn.
- Smoke/beast
- Polar bears and big birds
- Hanso/Widmore
- What the others are really about
- The four toed foot.
Sure, they could drag it out, but a faster moving series would probably go down better. For me, anyway. But I'll watch it regardless :thumbs:
cockbongo
26-05-2006, 19:33
Ther's *loads* of stuff about the characters still to learn - it's not just all about the island. Things like how Locke got in a wheelchair, what happened to jacks Dad, what was the psychic all about, what powers does Walt really have, etc etc and so on and so forth.
Little_Dragon
26-05-2006, 19:36
Ummm.......Wow, im just not sure how to process all the information in these 2 eps, I think im going to have to watch it a few more times.
One thing though, is it me just being pedantic, or does anyone else hate it when tv characters drink from obviously empty cups.
When Desmond and Libby were in the coffee shop, you heard the paper cup was empty when he put it down, yet he still drunk from it later in the scene.
William Shatners Wig
26-05-2006, 19:37
I was actually quite satisfied with the answers in this finale :)
- We now know why the plane crashed.
- We now know what the button controlled.
Those were the two main ones for me. Of course, I have no idea why Desmond agreed to go along with letting the timer run out after what happened the first time he did so...
Desmond didn't realise what happened the last time he failed to press the button until a few minutes before the clock reached 00:00:00, and then it was too late as Locke destroyed the computer.
Ther's *loads* of stuff about the characters still to learn - it's not just all about the island. Things like how Locke got in a wheelchair, what happened to jacks Dad, what was the psychic all about, what powers does Walt really have, etc etc and so on and so forth.
Regarding the pyshic, are you referring to the guy who admitted to Mr. Echo that he was a fraud. His daughter had "died" and come back to life. What more can we learn from him?
Cade Foster
26-05-2006, 19:51
Regarding the pyshic, are you referring to the guy who admitted to Mr. Echo that he was a fraud. His daughter had "died" and come back to life. What more can we learn from him?
He was also the pyshic that basically told claire to get on the plane.
Of course, I have no idea why Desmond agreed to go along with letting the timer run out after what happened the first time he did so...
Because Desmond believed that not pushing the button meant that the world would end. That was why he asked about it when Locke first went down the hatch. When he discovered it was still there he let Locke convince him the button was useless.
It was only when he realised that his failing to press the button had actually caused something bad to happen that he realised that the button actually did something.
punisher46
26-05-2006, 21:29
I also can't believe they'd destroy the hatch - that would mean that the ultraviolet map would be destroyed and that's been cruelly underused. However they did also explain why there were two sets of handwriting on it.
Jack picked up the one that Locke drew when they found where all the pods from the pearl hatch had been going to.
I know the purgatory idea has been dimissed but there stilll seems to be a lot of issues surrounding the nature of God in this place.
Not-Henry said something about God not being able to see them where they were. But Eko and Charlie (to a lesser extent) have gone through conversion processes as a result of being on the island. Rose IIRC also prayed with Charlie in Season one and Desmond was crossing himself before he turned the key. He was also about to commit suicide before John Locke appeared at the hatch door - an unforgivable sin according to the Catholic church (or maybe they've moved on that issue?) - so John "saved" him in two ways. John and Rose have also been healed by the island as has Jin's deficient sperm (or was that before? Can't remember!) I guess maybe all of those sub-strands are just there to make the characters more interesting - I'm sure it's helped make Eko such a great character in this new season...
The Good versus Bad people made me further think along those lines - some are there for transgressions they have made (Sawyer, Ana-Luçia, Kate...) others however seem to have made the opposite: principled stands or been altruistic (John gave his kidney, Desmond may have been very principled in his unsubordination, Sayid took a risky stand whilst in the army, Bernard moved heaven and earth to find a cure for Rose, Jack did the right thing with his Dad, etc).
68monkey
26-05-2006, 23:03
oops -- nevermind. Should have read to the end of the thread before posting. :doh:
Did anyone else notice the glaring error that when the washing machines were trundling to the magnet, and the clock was crumpling etc, Eko's cross round his neck was remaining flat against his chest hanging down, despite being shown to be magnetically attracted a couple of weeks ago?
Nope, not an error at all.
Watch carefully, the very next shot after Locke says "I was wrong". Eko's cross is whipped off from around his neck! It's very fast and subtle (and the bright explosion partially conceals it) but it's there! and the cross is upside down too! ooooh! :eek:
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http://hometown.aol.com/goldfishrich/images/image006.gifhttp://hometown.aol.com/goldfishrich/images/image008.gif:dork:
Are you sure? I only saw it on TV and haven't re-watched, but at the time, I could have sworn it was Matthew Fox all bundled up with those glasses on. I thought maybe the writers were throwing a "bad twin" at us.
<s>I don't know how to grab a screen shot from WMP, but one if the guys in the Artic(??) station IS Matthew Fox. I have no doubt.</s>
:suspect:
So not him!
http://publish.hometown.aol.com/goldfishrich/images/lostarctic.jpg
I don't know how to grab a screen shot from WMP, but one if the guys in the Artic(??) station IS Matthew Fox. I have no doubt.
The Guys name according to various sources is Len Cordova.....With a little bit of persuasion it becomes
A Clone ov Dr............. Woooohhhh!!!
James
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0502653/
Looking at photos of Matthew Fox next to the picture of the guy in the station, they do look remarkably similar. Putting up his picture next to the publicity still of Len Cordova, they don't look quite so similar, but there is a striking resembalance. They can't have cast someone that looks so much like him unintentionally.
James
It's probably so that forums just like this have a discussion just like this! :D
Just listening to the post finale Official Lost Podcast. A few interesting points so far...
They're gonna answer the Matthew fox in the snowy bunker :)
Kelvin is the same guy as was in Iraq. They called him Joe Inman in the script so that we wouldn't be spoiled on the fact that he was Kelvin so early.
And the foot is supposed to be somewhere from 40 to 60ft tall. And they'd been planning on the foot for a long time and we'll be finding out more about the archaeology of the island next season.... More later. Got to go out.
James
The Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse podcasts have been great! They're such a funny pair! I hope they continue these next season.
Oooh! This nugget from the finale podcast has me :D
"There is a good chance that you guys saw the monster this year but just didn't realise you were looking at the monster! By the end of next year you will understand what that means!" :eek:
grounded_dreams
27-05-2006, 09:27
Just listened to the podcast
The executive producers [Damon Lindel & Carlton Cuse] stated:
season three will start in September - run for 6 episodes,
then have 12 week break, then come back in February, with 17 straight episodes.
also in the back stories we will find out:
How Lock got in the wheelchair
How Jack got his tattoes
All about Kates marriage
They also reckon that we saw the "monster" this season but would not of realised it, all will be explained next season.
Plus it wasn't Matthew Fox in the end scene speaking portuguese
Just heard that myself. Sounds like a good idea as it really frustrated me with all the breaks in Season 2.
ShakeyJake
27-05-2006, 09:37
Where do you get these podcasts?
http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/podcasts/108849.html
ShakeyJake
27-05-2006, 09:44
ta :thumbs:
studmeister
27-05-2006, 10:31
three month break? it's getting worse than alias/prison break.
punisher46
27-05-2006, 11:09
whats with the breaks anyhows?
sure my boss wouldnt like me working for 7 weeks, then 3 months off, then back for 17 weeks straight...;)
whats with the breaks anyhows?
sure my boss wouldnt like me working for 7 weeks, then 3 months off, then back for 17 weeks straight...;)
It takes more than a week to make 42 minutes of television. Just because it's not on the air doesn't mean everyone's taking it easy.
punisher46
27-05-2006, 11:13
heheh...I know, I'm only messing....
http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/podcasts/108849.html
Are there any before those 8 on the site?
KennyVader
27-05-2006, 11:27
Nope, not an error at all.
Watch carefully, the very next shot after Locke says "I was wrong". Eko's cross is whipped off from around his neck! It's very fast and subtle (and the bright explosion partially conceals it) but it's there! and the cross is upside down too! ooooh! :eek:
http://hometown.aol.com/goldfishrich/images/image002.gifhttp://hometown.aol.com/goldfishrich/images/image004.gif
http://hometown.aol.com/goldfishrich/images/image006.gifhttp://hometown.aol.com/goldfishrich/images/image008.gif:dork:
Yes EVENTUALLY it does that. After he has staggered around for a bit, looked annoyingly at Locke, dodged various other flying debris, watched the clock crumple, all through that it does nothing; then Locke says "I was wrong :cry:" - THEN it disappears over his shoulder.
http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/podcasts/108849.html
This for me is a must listen before each ep, and something UK viewers kind of miss out on. Carlton is ok but unfortunately Damon is REALLY, REALLY annoying.
"There is a good chance that you guys saw the monster this year but just didn't realise you were looking at the monster! By the end of next year you will understand what that means!"
The black stones that have been mentioned/seen a few times :?:
basegreen
27-05-2006, 13:22
Wonder if the "monster" is the thing that cause the people to appear. I mean black smoke shapes are all fine, but what if those nano-particles can form real people shapes.
We'd have seen the monster that way.
Maybe the Walt that Shannon saw several times was the Monster?
scaramanga
27-05-2006, 13:55
Not sure if anyone has read the job descriptions on the hansocareers site but look at the one for organ courier. Looks like you have to be something of a jack bauer ! :D
Jimmyboy
27-05-2006, 15:35
I don't get how Ecko was attacked by a flying black smoke thingy mid-season and then by the end we're back to rational(ish) explainations again. It's kinda like in the first series where every third episode the characters would run away screaming from some percieved giant creature then by the end of the series that whole 'spooky' element was replaced with something more logical and nobody mentioned it again.
punisher46
27-05-2006, 15:40
aye...making it up as they go along...as much as I like lost....I think they leave too many things unexplained.....and then just forget about them....:(
68monkey
27-05-2006, 16:14
<s>I don't know how to grab a screen shot from WMP, but one if the guys in the Artic(??) station IS Matthew Fox. I have no doubt.</s>
:suspect:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v151/mimmack/Comparison.gif
Len Cordova-----------------------------------Arctic Man--------------------------------Matthew Fox
Not Matthew Fox? Well then, they're clearly having fun messing with us viewers and all this "bad twin" stuff.
I never occured to me that it might be MF before it was mentioned on here. He does look similar but it was clearly not Fox.
Re the monster, it's interesting we've seen it and not realised it. I take it to mean that the monster takes a form that we wouldn't recognise it as the monster, prehaps an object or person that turns into the monster
wakeupjake
28-05-2006, 09:14
Head is officially melted after watching the final 3 in a row. great end to the season, glad to have a few answers and infuriating to have 400 more questions!!:) i still maintain some atlantis type explanation to this whole thing. May explain the crazy four toed statue and if the island resurfaces now and again it may explain the sealed hatches. Also it might be why the black rock is in the middle of the blooming island!!
But who knows? The producers better start wrapping it up for closure next season i feel as there is only so much carrot on the stick writing that audiences will take.
Felt the whole "race for love" was totally unnecessary and had me cringing it has to be said.
back to the atlantis connection, just did a search for atlantis + electromagnetic and brought back this page. Can anyone confirm this has not been planted by the lost people? lots of dead links, cryptic lines and such.
Points of note...
>"....AND THE MILITARY PREFERS TO KEEP SECRET."
The reason iraq soldier was there? The 'others' military trained?Hence why they are so quiet and good under interrogation.
>"...location of 6 underwater pyramids."
Self explanatory.
>"...The Triangle's Electromagnetic Power Grid."
Self explanatory.
>"...Was Nicola Tesla a Returning Atlantean?"
Nicola Telsa Inventions: a telephone repeater, rotating magnetic field principle, polyphase alternating-current system, induction motor, alternating-current power transmission, Tesla coil transformer, wireless communication, radio, fluorescent lights.
Prolly just barking up the wrong tree here but had me reading a bit this morning. If this has been posted before let me know, couldnt find it on this thread.
Roll on September!!!
Ian Vinten
28-05-2006, 09:33
Head is officially melted after watching the final 3 in a row. great end to the season, glad to have a few answers and infuriating to have 400 more questions!!:) i still maintain some atlantis type explanation to this whole thing. May explain the crazy four toed statue and if the island resurfaces now and again it may explain the sealed hatches. Also it might be why the black rock is in the middle of the blooming island!!
But who knows? The producers better start wrapping it up for closure next season i feel as there is only so much carrot on the stick writing that audiences will take.
Felt the whole "race for love" was totally unnecessary and had me cringing it has to be said.
back to the atlantis connection, just did a search for atlantis + electromagnetic and brought back this page. Can anyone confirm this has not been planted by the lost people? lots of dead links, cryptic lines and such.
Points of note...
>"....AND THE MILITARY PREFERS TO KEEP SECRET."
The reason iraq soldier was there? The 'others' military trained?Hence why they are so quiet and good under interrogation.
>"...location of 6 underwater pyramids."
Self explanatory.
>"...The Triangle's Electromagnetic Power Grid."
Self explanatory.
>"...Was Nicola Tesla a Returning Atlantean?"
Nicola Telsa Inventions: a telephone repeater, rotating magnetic field principle, polyphase alternating-current system, induction motor, alternating-current power transmission, Tesla coil transformer, wireless communication, radio, fluorescent lights.
Prolly just barking up the wrong tree here but had me reading a bit this morning. If this has been posted before let me know, couldnt find it on this thread.
Roll on September!!!
Is there a link for that page?
wakeupjake
28-05-2006, 09:48
Is there a link for that page?
rofl sorry man, so caught in up theories i forgot to link it:)
http://www.geocities.com/atlantistri/atlantistriangle.html
Well the Bill Hanson book is real and pre-dates Lost.
Usually anything actually related to Lost offically has some kind of disclaimer by abc/Disney somewhere in/on the page.
Chances are the Lost writers have digested everything out there on all these subjects (they do seem very well read) and have incorporated various elements throughout.
wakeupjake
28-05-2006, 10:36
yeah, the buggers seem to have been reading a bit too much!!! (like me ) I hope they tie it all up because there only so much confusion one person can take:)
MetalGearAl
28-05-2006, 12:31
also in the back stories we will find out:
How Jack got his tattoes
I guess they decided to write that in then, before they've stated that they're Fox's own tattoos and are not part of the story.
I think Eko and Locke will survive, not sure about Desmond - The dialogue heavily implied that Desmond would die from turning that key.
But what does the key do? Argh! So we find out that the button probably does something, discharges the elctromagnetic field, but how does turning a key stop that problem once and for all and why not do it from the start?
My thoughts are the whole button scenario has been removed now, especially since most of the equipment connected to it was trashed. It's not like 108 minutes into the next part of the story that the field will build up, they won't be able to stop it and the world will end :D
But what does the key do? Argh! So we find out that the button probably does something, discharges the elctromagnetic field, but how does turning a key stop that problem once and for all and why not do it from the start?My understanding is that the EM was building up, like water filling up a tank, and that pushing the button drained off some of it before it burst the tank. Since the button only released a small amount, there were no negative effects (such as metallic objects flying around) from pushing the button. However turning the key emptied the tank in one big rush, hence the apparent EMP. Presumably it'll take a while to fill up again (if turning the key hasn't in fact left it permanently open).
I thought this was all made pretty clear :shrug: ... (for being pretty much complete nonsense science, that is ;))
MetalGearAl
28-05-2006, 13:18
So did they just overestimate the damage that turning the key would do?
Presumably, otherwise there wouldn't be a third season! ;)
KennyVader
28-05-2006, 13:25
My understanding is that the EM was building up, like water filling up a tank, and that pushing the button drained off some of it before it burst the tank. Since the button only released a small amount, there were no negative effects (such as metallic objects flying around) from pushing the button. However turning the key emptied the tank in one big rush, hence the apparent EMP. Presumably it'll take a while to fill up again (if turning the key hasn't in fact left it permanently open).
I thought this was all made pretty clear :shrug: ... (for being pretty much complete nonsense science, that is ;))
Ah good analogy. That's what I took it to mean too but hadn't thought of such a simple way to explain it. Kelvin talked about the key "blowing the dam", which I didn't take to mean anything necessarily to do with water, but do mean blowing up some sort of retaining wall that was regulating the energy.
Yes I would imagine that now the key is turned, and the dam/failsafe blown, the energy is free to escape as and when it wants to, unregulated, and all sorts of weirdness might happen.
I guess they decided to write that in then, before they've stated that they're Fox's own tattoos and are not part of the story.
Pretty dumb actor that goes and gets such obvious tatoos surely? Sure they can be covered up with makeup, but who'd want to do that before every shoot, or every day before appearing on stage, and more importantly how many directors are happy with the extra cost/time/continuity risk of covering you actors' tatts up.
They're not that obvious when wearing a shirt and after Party of 5 finished, MF said he was retiring from acting so he may have had them done then. In the commentary the said that the tattoes had an influence over the numbers chose since he has a tatto of the number 5.
glad to have a few answers and infuriating to have 400 more questions!!
That's why I laugh when people (still!) say there's not much mileage, because they assume there's nothing left to do but answer the remaining questions. As we've seen, there's always more questions than answers.
i still maintain some atlantis type explanation to this whole thing. May explain the crazy four toed statue and if the island resurfaces now and again it may explain the sealed hatches. Also it might be why the black rock is in the middle of the blooming island!!
Did you mention Atlantis before? I didn't remember. But I didn't consider an island that constantly rises, I don't think that'll be the case but it may have risen and caught The Black Rock. Or, less likely, TBR was sailing over the island and it pulled it down perhaps like the Bermuda triangle (one theoretical site for Atlantis)
But who knows? The producers better start wrapping it up for closure next season i feel as there is only so much carrot on the stick writing that audiences will take.
What's carrot on the stick writing? :shrug:
Also, why would they start wrapping up if the show isn't going to finish for 3 years minimum? It's not like they're running out of things to write about! They're not going to wrap anything up until the final series anything sooner would mean the ending would be drawn out. The one thing that does annoy me slightly is that they pack so much into the finale, when they could reveal stuff throughout the season
Spooksta
28-05-2006, 16:42
Can you not quote so much. very anoying.
yawn :p
One bit that has got me confused is the pre-crash timeline in respect to Des. He is shown going to the stadium to get fit where he runs into Jack before going on the race, and is on the island for 3 years before the crash. Yet I thought the Jack/stadium encounter was supposed to be just before Jack heads off.
Totally confused here, anyone able to make sense of it?
Pretty dumb actor that goes and gets such obvious tatoos surely? Sure they can be covered up with makeup, but who'd want to do that before every shoot, or every day before appearing on stage, and more importantly how many directors are happy with the extra cost/time/continuity risk of covering you actors' tatts up.
ISTR in Jack flashbacks up till his wife left him he didn't have the tattoos, but I could be wrong.
Spooksta
28-05-2006, 17:07
One bit that has got me confused is the pre-crash timeline in respect to Des. He is shown going to the stadium to get fit where he runs into Jack before going on the race, and is on the island for 3 years before the crash. Yet I thought the Jack/stadium encounter was supposed to be just before Jack heads off.
Totally confused here, anyone able to make sense of it?
NoNoNo
Hes not even married the woman hes operated on yet for gods sake. Loads more time to fill yet. :brickwall
One bit that has got me confused is the pre-crash timeline in respect to Des. He is shown going to the stadium to get fit where he runs into Jack before going on the race, and is on the island for 3 years before the crash. Yet I thought the Jack/stadium encounter was supposed to be just before Jack heads off.
Are you sure it was just before Jack went to Oz? It would lend creedence to the suspended animation theory.
Can you not quote so much. very anoying.
If I could, I would!
Philipio
28-05-2006, 17:18
The jack/desmond stadium encounter was ages before the Oz trip !
If you remember it was during the time his wife to be, was having her surgery.
Thus the healing/marriage/divorce would probably have happened in the 3 years Des was on the island.
DuncanSWardle
28-05-2006, 18:33
Just watched it and one question I had was who did Clancy Brown charter think Desmond was ?
There seemed to be a code "what did one Snowman say to the other" and it seemed to suggest that a new arrival was expected on the island
Sorry if this has been mentioned.
Also - not sure if it was here it was mentioned - but swear I read somewhere that there would be episodes based in "real world" refering to the lost being looked for
Guess the ending of Ep 24 would allow this
A few thoughts (or rather more Mrs M0bys thoughts) that may have already been elaborated upon but:
Jim Robinson is connected to how Desmond arrived at the island and thus the Dharma Initiative and Penelope having discovered this, is now using all her resources to try and track this lost island, hence the team looking for 'electro magnetic anomalies'.
Also perhaps she had a child that Desmond has yet to see. He suggested to Claire that perhaps her babys father left knowing it was the best thing for the baby, maybe he was referring to himself there.
I'm not particularly familiar with Homer's Odyssey (as mentioned earlier in the thread) but didn't Odysseus leave Penelope behind to go fight in the trojan war? Did he later try to get out of that by claiming madness or something as maybe that was why Desmond was sent to a military prison....
MarcusJClifford
28-05-2006, 19:33
Anyone else think that they didnt use Desmond's boat as much as they should, looking at it it seemed to be in good order, and had power (Desmonds Music playing) - and in the long shots at the start of x24 you could clearly see the RADAR dome, a VHF/HF antenna and what looked like a DECCA receiver, thats just what I could see from the long range shots. Now a boat like that would (made at the time it was [2004 minus 3-4 years]) would have had GPS / EPRIB / SATCOM etc - now unless that was all removed / broken etc then they should have been able to use the boats systems to contact someone.
Also I belive that GPS / DECCA / LORAN navigation systems wouldnt be affeced by magnatism, so unless Desmond was a rather poor sailor and only relied on compass bearings, he should have been able to navigate away from the island.
This is confirmed by him knowing the direction and distance (time required) to Fiji.
Interesting...
KennyVader
28-05-2006, 19:39
Well it was Libby's boat, so maybe she deliberately didn't kit it out with all that stuff or she sabotaged it, and Desmond kept saying he didn't have any money, so he couldn't afford to fit it either :)
I dunno, but in LostWorld there is an answer to everything, however tenuous :D
goTimmygo
28-05-2006, 19:56
Wow, just finished watching the finale, and I think it was an hour and a half of my life well spent. Really enjoyed it all, answers and a few new questions! Great stuff, roll on September.
Isn't that what we've been saying, Moby? I think she knows something about the island and she knows that such an anomoly is a way of locating it. Perhaps it's easier to get into the island once there is an anomoly.
The joke, I believe, is used to identify a new arrival like two spys making contact. Dharma say replacements arrive every so often but clearly they don't arrive that often
BTW, the episode of Desperate Housewives on E4 tonight (23:00) guest stars M.C Gainly who plays Tom in Lost. He plays a fairly good guy for a change. It's also on Wed on CH4. Interesting to see I think
nigel_williams
28-05-2006, 23:47
I think the orientation film did say that replacements would be sent, but having them wash up on the shore is little bit odd! Clancy Brown's character did say that he joined Dharma after someone followed his orders, presumably during the Gulf War. So he was placed there by Dharma rather than being shipwrecked like Desmond.
I don't remember if the orientation film ever mentioned that the island was infected. It was only Russo that said her science team got sick from something on the island. Clancy Brown's character was in his biosuit when he found Desmond on the beach, so he must have been following some sort of protocol, including the shots.
So why did he then use this as a method of repairing Desmon's boat?
punisher46
29-05-2006, 07:46
Clancy Brown's character was in his biosuit when he found Desmond on the beach, so he must have been following some sort of protocol, including the shots.
Wasnt he just acting though as when desmond followed him he took his mask off......
Shakey21
29-05-2006, 10:01
yeah, this was an excuse to keep Desmond in the hatch and let him out to do as he pleased - which was to fix Desmonds boat without Desmond knowing.
yeah, this was an excuse to keep Desmond in the hatch and let him out to do as he pleased - which was to fix Desmonds boat without Desmond knowing.This is true but he found desmond while he was wearing the suit. Did he know somehow that desmond was on the beach, so he put the suit on and went out? Does he always wear the suit just in case he finds someone and then he can keep up the infected island routine? Did he find desmond run back, psh the button if need be, put on the suit and then run back to get desmond?Is it just a plot hole? :p
This is true but he found desmond while he was wearing the suit. Did he know somehow that desmond was on the beach, so he put the suit on and went out? Does he always wear the suit just in case he finds someone and then he can keep up the infected island routine? Did he find desmond run back, psh the button if need be, put on the suit and then run back to get desmond?Is it just a plot hole? :pI'd hazard a guess that he was initially told by the DHARMA people that he shouldn't go out without the suit, or bad things would happen. At some point, he found out that he'd been going out with a rip in the suit, realised that nothing (apparently) bad had happened, and came to the conclusion that DHARMA was lying/wrong. This revelation presumably happened sometime between rescuing Desmond and the point several years later when Desmond follows him outside.
Of course, a plot hole is also possible ;)
MaxNutter
29-05-2006, 12:04
was anyone else expecting Michael and Walt's boat to blow up? or is it just that i really don't trust a word NotHenry says?
genius switch from the Swan being the experiment to the Pearl being the experiment!
the map from the hatch is almost certainly lost, as didn't Jack pick up Locke's copy? wouldn't have thought the Udders would let him keep it ...
loved the fake villiage and fake door ... wonder if the Tail-Enders empty hatch was the remenant of another hatch that'd been self-destructed?
Soemthing occured to me while I was watching it, but I completely forgot about it til now.
My thought was that whoever painted the hatches into the map in our hatch probably discovered the fake hatch too, as there was a hatch at the top scratched out. I'd been wondering about that one since we'd seen the map and it became clear once Sayid opened the door.
James
punisher46
29-05-2006, 12:22
where did calvin first see the map to be able to repaint it? And why was he doing it so that it would only show up under u/v light?
I didn't get the impression Kelvin had ever seen a map, but he may of done. God knows how they painted something that actually made sense without the UV light on
DrVenkman
29-05-2006, 12:34
This is true but he found desmond while he was wearing the suit. Did he know somehow that desmond was on the beach, so he put the suit on and went out? Does he always wear the suit just in case he finds someone and then he can keep up the infected island routine? Did he find desmond run back, psh the button if need be, put on the suit and then run back to get desmond?Is it just a plot hole?
I don't think it's a plot hole. We may never find out but there's a few explanations for why he could be wearing the suit.
A) He genuinely thought he was at risk without it. But at some point (Bear in mind it's been years) he finds out it's a lie. He decides to fix Desmonds' boat but needs the suit to keep up appearances.
B) He knew (Somehow) that Desmond washed up on the shore so he went out and got him. He also knew there was no virus but he keeps the suit on so Desmond can't say "When you saved me you didn't wear it! Why?".
C) He's obviously been losing it for some time, so he decides one day to take the suit off outside and see what happens. Nothing, obviously. It's the last straw and he decides to escape in Desmonds boat.
D) He tears the suit by accident, realises it's a lie and tries to escape.
Seeing as we probably won't find out the answer, I think it's up to the viewer to fill in the blanks. You're just meant to assume something happened to make him stop wearing it.
I also want to know when Desmond encountered 'The Others'. He mentions them as the 'hostiles' at one point, so presumably he's had a run in with them.
Mr Twister
29-05-2006, 14:11
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4 x 8 x 15 x 16 x 23 x 42 = 7418880
Mr Twister
29-05-2006, 14:41
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Did the udders put bags on the losties to hide their houses in the background :lol:
jaminblack
29-05-2006, 14:44
great finale.
although as others have said I am awaiting season 3 with trepidation
as it was torurous at times watching *nothing* happen for weeks
this season. My one hope for next season is that they spread out
the island stories a bit more evenly.
dannywonderful
29-05-2006, 14:56
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Did the udders put bags on the losties to hide their houses in the background :lol:
That was a pre-publicity shot. You didn't see it during the show.
Did anyone notice Desmond's full name was 'Desmond David Hume'? David Hume being a leading philosopher of the Scottish Enlightenment, as well as a friend of Jean-Jacque Rousseau. Also, the fact that Zeke's first name is 'Tom' might suggest that his full name is Thomas Hobbes, a possible reference to one of the most important state-of-nature theorists, along with John Locke and Rousseau.
DuncanSWardle
29-05-2006, 15:47
where did calvin first see the map to be able to repaint it? And why was he doing it so that it would only show up under u/v light?
My guess is he knew \ suspected he was being watched and that cameras did not monitor during lock down - other than that no idea why
NicolaUK
29-05-2006, 17:16
I didn't get the impression Kelvin had ever seen a map, but he may of done. God knows how they painted something that actually made sense without the UV light on
I agree, I think he drew the map from exploring the island - looked like he'd been there a long time!
was anyone else expecting Michael and Walt's boat to blow up? or is it just that i really don't trust a word NotHenry says?
I did too, and i was slightly dissapointed it didn't.
KennyVader
29-05-2006, 19:16
I agree, I think he drew the map from exploring the island - looked like he'd been there a long time!
Kelvin stated that his predecessor/partner Razinski drew it, I think, originally at least. He also said it was Razinski who figured out how to fake a lockdown.
I guess with two of them in the hatch working together, they could go out and discover a lot more/travel further, because one could stay behind and look after the button. Thus they could get further than 54 minutes walk away. Which Kelvin on his own, or Desmond on his own, could not.
NicolaUK
29-05-2006, 19:20
I need to pay more attention :doh:
nigel_williams
29-05-2006, 19:33
I don't recall Kelvin saying how long he'd been there, but assuming he joined Dharma sometime after the first Gulf War, he could have been there quite a while.
When Desmond finds his boat again and they fight, Desmond accuses him of stealing the last 3 years of his life.
What I still don't understand is if the pushing of this button is so important, why do they need people to do it anyway? Although there seems to be indications of a psychological experiment, why actually link it something so dangerous?
And one last thing, we see Ecko climb out the hatch and the door is lying flat on the ground. So after the "electromagnetic explosion", why did it go flying through the air, landing on the beach nearly killing Bernard and Clair? Unless it's a new hatch of course....
MaxNutter
29-05-2006, 19:37
i think it was their hatch ... we didn't ever see another ... maybe it's a sign of the size/power of the blast
Highlander
29-05-2006, 19:38
Maybe the Walt that Shannon saw several times was the Monster?
I like that theory. :thumbs:
I also want to know when Desmond encountered 'The Others'. He mentions them as the 'hostiles' at one point, so presumably he's had a run in with them.
Calvin refers to them as the hostiles. So he could have picked it up from him.
William Shatners Wig
29-05-2006, 21:14
Surely the monster was the cloud Ecko saw?
Surely the monster was the cloud Ecko saw?
The creators said we saw the monster without realising it.... So that certainly rules out the Black (nanobot) Cloud.
Cade Foster
29-05-2006, 21:29
And one last thing, we see Ecko climb out the hatch and the door is lying flat on the ground. So after the "electromagnetic explosion", why did it go flying through the air, landing on the beach nearly killing Bernard and Clair? Unless it's a new hatch of course....
I think stuff got sucked in then got blew out, there must have been some stuff still in the storeroom as people are collecting this off the beach at the end as we didnt see any of the provisions already got from the drop get damaged.
Little_Dragon
29-05-2006, 21:31
Just rewatched it to check on something, and unfortunately the gag was over Hurley's ears as well as in his mouth.
So he probably wont have heard that they can just take Desmonds boat and sail at bearing 325. :doh:
basegreen
29-05-2006, 21:36
When desmond was dragged up the beach, you see more than one person in those yellow suits. It's clear to me that they did this to maintain illusion for the "intruder".
MaxNutter
29-05-2006, 21:39
When desmond was dragged up the beach, you see more than one person in those yellow suits. It's clear to me that they did this to maintain illusion for the "intruder".
i thought that, but then thought maybe it was Desmond seeing double?
i'm such a geek, but i loved the bit where Charlie's hearing was suffering, and all the sound was muffled ... :dork:
When desmond was dragged up the beach, you see more than one person in those yellow suits. It's clear to me that they did this to maintain illusion for the "intruder".
I thought that too the first time I watched it, but on a 2nd viewing, there is just the one person. It's the camera-effects that create the illusion there is more than one person.
I originally thought there were two, someone posted earlier they thought the same. I went back and checked and it was clear it was meant to be the same person. I'm sure I posted that info.
I just remembered another thing. Look at when The Others pick the castways up on the dock. One extra grabs Kates boobs momentarily before picking her up from under the arms!
MaxNutter
29-05-2006, 21:50
I originally thought there were two, someone posted earlier they thought the same. I went back and checked and it was clear it was meant to be the same person. I'm sure I posted that info.
I just remembered another thing. Look at when The Others pick the castways up on the dock. One extra grabs Kates boobs momentarily before picking her up from under the arms!
Roussou's daughter?
unrealnils
29-05-2006, 22:12
Just watched it and one question I had was who did Clancy Brown charter think Desmond was ?
There seemed to be a code "what did one Snowman say to the other" and it seemed to suggest that a new arrival was expected on the island
Whats the score here as Desmond says that joke to Lock and he knows the answer or vice versa........
Did desmond tell lock that joke earlier in the whos or did Locke always know it and thus might have been the man who Clancy Brown charter was looking for.
Remember nothenry said lock was special/important.
I think he used it when he first met Locke at the start of the season to see if he was the next person to come to the hatch.
MaxNutter
29-05-2006, 22:20
Whats the score here as Desmond says that joke to Lock and he knows the answer or vice versa........
Did desmond tell lock that joke earlier in the whos or did Locke always know it and thus might have been the man who Clancy Brown charter was looking for.
Remember nothenry said lock was special/important.
i thought i rembered Desmond asking Locke around the "are you him?" questions in ep1, but i could be wrong ... i think it was the question that only the Dharma supplied replacement would know the answe to ... or Bob Monkhouse ...
wonderfibre
30-05-2006, 07:39
Desmond asked Locke the question at the beginning of season 2. Locke did not know the answer.
At the end of season 2, Locke asked Desmond the same question and Desmond knew. Only Desmond knew the answer.
Only Desmond knew the answer.
And Smarties, but Dharma didn't drop any onto the island.
MaxNutter
30-05-2006, 08:57
And Smarties, but Dharma didn't drop any onto the island.
and Xmas cracker joke writers ...
Hurley knew the answer to the joke, I think he had told it in a flashback in Season 1.
wonderfibre
30-05-2006, 10:56
didn't Hurley give the answer as 'freeze'? or am I just thinking of something completely different?
DrVenkman
30-05-2006, 14:25
Yeah, Hurley gives the wrong answer....
Anyway, here's some Season 3 stuff for you. Bear in mind that it doesn't reveal any plot points or anything, but this is mostly cast stuff, and also a bit about the themes of Season 3.
There will be some more monster shennanigans. Though in the last podcast they mention that viewers have already seen the monster in Season 2 without realising it.
The producers are on the lookout for 3 new castmembers. 1 male and 2 females.
The actor playing Micheal won't be returning as a main cast member. But they will have him for guest appearances. There's no word on the actor that plays his son though.
The actor playing Henry Gale has signed on as a regular cast member - which is great news.
The producers have said they want Desmond back, if he's free.
The giant statue is there to signify the Islands long history. We'll learn about what happened both before and after Dharma found their way there.
We'll learn the ramifications of Desmond destroying the hatch.
All of those points were brought up a few pages ago :D
James
Xenomorph
30-05-2006, 17:41
The creators said we saw the monster without realising it.... So that certainly rules out the Black (nanobot) Cloud.
No it doesn't. I still subscribe to the theory that the cloud is a form of nano putty for the mind. Everyone has different effects and ways of manipulating it.
DrVenkman
30-05-2006, 18:56
No it doesn't. I still subscribe to the theory that the cloud is a form of nano putty for the mind. Everyone has different effects and ways of manipulating it.
That seems to be the general theory. The 'monster' appears in different ways to different people. I assumed that the bird Hurley sees is a manifestation of the monster, but then again the bird makes an appearance in Season 1, so that probably wasn't it. The podcast said we would know in Season 3 when the monster made it's appearance this year.
If you do subscribe to that theory then you can argue that the monster we see at the beginning of Season 1 is a combination of everyone's fears on the Beach. Which is why it appears to be huge (pulling down trees etc).
Personally I think that the black cloud is its natural state. It then changes based on who it comes into contact with.
I'm just wondering when we learn about Walt. Henry Gale even says "We got more than we bargained for with Walt", and there's the 'room' that Miss Klugh mentions. If it's true though that the actor won't be coming back as a regular then I'm guessing we'll be seeing his story through Henry Gale.
Maybe Kate's black horse was the 'monster'?
nigel_williams
30-05-2006, 20:34
I like the theory that the monster is a manifestation of a personal demon, or collectively as a very large one as in the first night on the island. Its similar to Forbidden Planet.
Maybe the island is the monster... :suspect:
Xenomorph
30-05-2006, 20:51
I like the theory that the monster is a manifestation of a personal demon, or collectively as a very large one as in the first night on the island. Its similar to Forbidden Planet.
Yeah. Though then the danger is you attribute everything to the monster and that strikes me as a little bit too easy, suddenly you can explain the Horse, Polar Bear, Jack's Dad...
Im definately going with the theory that Walt is special because he is able to manipulate it more directly than anyone else and I do believe the monster/nano-putty whatever was in play when the bird hit the window.
I wonder if the hatch didn't somehow keep the monster in check...
Whatever the monster is, it's changed from the one in the pilot episode.
KennyVader
30-05-2006, 20:59
The actor playing Henry Gale has signed on as a regular cast member - which is great news.
The producers have said they want Desmond back, if he's free.
y'know, for such major characters, which appear pretty fundamental to the main multi-season story arc as they are, you'd have thought they'd get them contracted in for a long time. I mean it looks like Desmond's bunny boiler ex Penelope is going to spend a fair bit of time looking for him, and that she's central to the story ... so if the actor is too busy in 24 or whatever, were they just going to forget about him and her and that whole story line?
Anyway it's good news, I like notHenry (Zepp) a lot, and Desmond was pretty good in the finale too. So I damn well hope they're both back!
Xenomorph
30-05-2006, 20:59
Whatever the monster is, it's changed from the one in the pilot episode.
Yes exactly. I reckon DrVenkmen nailed it with his suggestion that the monster was manifesting everyone fears at the start hence uber violence and death. As they calmed down and came to terms with things we saw less and less of it...
Whatever the monster is, it's changed from the one in the pilot episode.
Surely you're not suggesting that the writers are making it up as they go along?
Whatever the monster is, it's changed from the one in the pilot episode.
According to a post on Spoilerfix we may have seen the monster more than we realise this season, which is potentially very interesting, in a where-exactly-was-it-then? sort of way.
SithLordSi
31-05-2006, 11:56
The monster has never changed. In the pilot episode it was heard but not seen. It was a large, mechanical-sounding thing that killed the airplane pilot off-screen and moved a few trees about. Later in season one, it appeared in Boone's 'vision quest' as a tree-lifting smokey thing. In the season finale, it was seen multiple times as a tree-lifting, mechanical-sounding smokey thing that tried to drag Locke into a hole in the ground. In season two, it appeared to Eko as a large, tree-lifting, mechanical-sounding smokey thing that confronted him (as it did John Locke) and read his mind.
Bottom line: the monster has not changed, but has been slowly revealed over time. Also, it has only ever killed one person, and that could have been for a number of reasons (i.e. it was scared, angry, commanded to do so, etc.). In fact, I think the term 'monster' isn't really justified.
GAmbrose
31-05-2006, 12:42
Hasn't it also been called a Security Device by Rousseau?
Gary A
Polar Bear
The polar bear was explained as part of a zoological experiment in the first Dharma video IIRC.
grounded_dreams
31-05-2006, 13:42
... Also, it has only ever killed one person, and that could have been for a number of reasons (i.e. it was scared, angry, commanded to do so, etc.). In fact, I think the term 'monster' isn't really justified.
If your meaning the pilot [Greg Grunberg] from the plane, then he was pulled out and killed. All the charactors in the cockpit [pilot, Jack, Charlie and Kate] weren't provoking it
MaxNutter
31-05-2006, 13:48
maybe the 'monster' was commanded to kill the pilot ...
SithLordSi
31-05-2006, 13:58
Hasn't it also been called a Security Device by Rousseau?
Indeed it has. Maybe it was one of Dharma's experiments-gone-wrong: a nano-bot artificial intelligence that was altered by the island's unique electromagnetic forces and became self-aware. If so, it may see itself as a guard of some sort. But guarding against what?
The polar bear was explained as part of a zoological experiment in the first Dharma video IIRC.
Correct. The shark that attacked Sawyer and Michael was also part of these experiments, as evidenced by the Dharma logo on its tail. It's possible that Kate's horse is also involved, and the giant green parrot that screamed Hurley's name. I don't think that any of these creatures have anything to do with the black smoke.
Also, I don't think that Walt's mysterious appearances have anything to do with the black smoke. I think it was made clear in the episode "Three Minutes" that Walt's powers enable him to appear in two places at one time. I suspect that, when Walt appeared dripping wet before Shannon, he was demonstrating this power for the first time, brought on involuntarily by the terror of his adbuction. When he appeared before her the time after that, he was probably undergoing tests in the room that Ms. Klugh referred to. I'm assuming that his powers are brought on by fear, panic or pain.
maybe the 'monster' was commanded to kill the pilot ...
A theory I've subscribed to for quite some time. :thumbs:
I'm surprised they haven't looked down the whole where the monster was dragging locke. Surely that's it's home? It was very close to the hatch IIRC
SithLordSi
31-05-2006, 14:08
I wouldn't have thought they would want to go back there, seeing as the monster tried to drag Locke down a hole. I mean, would you? Besides, they only went that way to get the dynamite from the Black Rock. I don't think the hole was that near the hatch, and they would probably require Danielle's help to find it again. And let's face it...it's not exactly as if the island's been dull recently, is it? :p
Locke was pratically begging them to let it take him down the hole!
Now if I were them I'd find a way of reminding them of where the whole is. I'd probably build a path straight to the hatch and possibly several paths to make travel easier
SithLordSi
31-05-2006, 14:35
Even if he was willing to let the black smoke pull him down a hole, I doubt he'd put himself in that position again. Did you see the look of fear in his eyes as it burst out of the ground in front of him? Besides, I think Locke was more interested in pushing the button than in investigating strange holes.
Xenomorph
31-05-2006, 15:50
A theory I've subscribed to for quite some time. :thumbs:
Killing the pilot maybe makes sense from the point of view that maybe he was the only person Dharma had no control over w.r.t being on the plane.
with regards to the Black smoke. surley thats a little too obvious if the writers say we've seen it without realising it it would be something else. i mean it just seems to easy for it to be the monster, like a huge cop out
Maybe the writers said that cause they've heard people are disappointed that the black smoke is the monster? and consequently don't believe it is the 'monster'
Locke said he was being pulled under ground by what appeared to be a column of black smoke, which was also ripping trees up as approached them.
If the black smoke is not the 'apparent' monster - that would mean theres something else that rips trees up and makes that big mechanical sound. Surely not??
SithLordSi
01-06-2006, 10:33
I agree. It wasn't a cop-out, but a confirmation.
Why aren't they playing GOLF anymore? Another plot hole! ;)
Lindeloff and Cuse said in one of the podcasts that the black smoke was the monster. They're referring to the fact that at the moment the only time we know we've seen it this season was that one time as opposed to the multitude of times it showed up last season. Supposedly we've seen it in another form as well as the smoke.
MaxNutter
01-06-2006, 11:19
Why aren't they playing GOLF anymore? Another plot hole! ;)
they've had other things on their minds i guess ... like numbers to key-in ...
SithLordSi
01-06-2006, 12:17
Lindeloff and Cuse said in one of the podcasts that the black smoke was the monster. They're referring to the fact that at the moment the only time we know we've seen it this season was that one time as opposed to the multitude of times it showed up last season. Supposedly we've seen it in another form as well as the smoke.
Ah, I see. I didn't realise that they had confirmed that smoke=monster in a previous podcast. In that case, what else could it have been? This season we have had unexplained appearances of:
- Walt
- a black horse
- a huge, green bird
Judging by what Miss Klugh said about Walt, I doubt his appearances had anything to do with Smokey. So that leaves the two animals, unless there were any unexplained appearances that I've forgotten about...
Lindeloff and Cuse said in one of the podcasts that the black smoke was the monster. They're referring to the fact that at the moment the only time we know we've seen it this season was that one time as opposed to the multitude of times it showed up last season. Supposedly we've seen it in another form as well as the smoke.
That makes a lot more sense now. It was getting confusing trying to understand the initial statment without the fact that they had already confirmed the smoke was the monster.
But Lost is still very confusing regardless :D
nigel_williams
01-06-2006, 13:42
The black horse was beside the road when Kate escaped from the FBI man. It later appeared to her on the island.... bizarre, still no idea on this bit!
GAmbrose
01-06-2006, 13:55
Why aren't they playing GOLF anymore? Another plot hole! ;)
I thought Jack and Kate were playing Golf when Mr. Ecko appeared with Sawyer on his shoulders?
Gary A
wong fei hong
01-06-2006, 14:07
Ah, I see. I didn't realise that they had confirmed that smoke=monster in a previous podcast. In that case, what else could it have been? This season we have had unexplained appearances of:
- Walt
- a black horse
- a huge, green bird
Judging by what Miss Klugh said about Walt, I doubt his appearances had anything to do with Smokey. So that leaves the two animals, unless there were any unexplained appearances that I've forgotten about...
What about the visions and dreams! Perhaps the monster is psychological or internal, maybe the sickness that everyone is worried about? That doesn't explain the clanking or hole pulling though...
SithLordSi
01-06-2006, 14:18
But Lindeloff and Cuse said that we've "seen the monster". To me, that implies a physical appearance.
basegreen
01-06-2006, 14:29
You know the black smoke that Sayid(sp) was meant to set off... well... maybe that was the nano bots as well.
AIUI the smoke is the monster BUT we've also seen it and not realised we were looking at it. It doesn't neccessarily mean it's something that was unexplained like the horse, it could be something that we didn't notice
BeelzebubUK
01-06-2006, 19:23
This show is annoying me now. They are giving us more questions than answers. I felt this season had more downs than ups and I feel like its starting to drag now. I'm not that eager to get hold of season 3 when it comes out now.. I'll just wait until they are all out and watch them in one sitting.
Exactly how I feel right now. Seems to me that they are just spawning more background stories to keep the series plodding along at a slow pace so they can stretch this out to as many seasons as feasibly possible.
William Shatners Wig
01-06-2006, 19:46
I must be in the minority then, as I love this pace... I am in no hurry to get any answers, let alone all of them. I am really interested in ALL the character's back stories, even the seemingly unpopular Jack and Kate ones. Why must you HAVE to learn something new each episode? Just go with the drama.
House, which was arguably the best TV show on last season, was very formulaic and had little character development - but it managed to just get better and better each and every week.
I found there to be only one below-par (what a stupid expression, as it should be good to be less than "par" in golfing terms surely?) episode, the one with Charlie wanting to baptise Claire's baby.
What's the odds on them aiming to finish on the 108th episode :D
I know it's not really possible due to the networks not guaranteeing anyone that many seasons ahead, but if they set out a timescale now, and done another 3 seasons of 20 epsiodes I'd be happier. It's just the idea of them dragging it out past that or even indefinitely that annoys me.
Saying that I did enjoy Season 2 even though it got a bit dull around the middle and am looking forward to Season 3.
BeelzebubUK
01-06-2006, 20:30
I must be in the minority then, as I love this pace... I am in no hurry to get any answers, let alone all of them. I am really interested in ALL the character's back stories, even the seemingly unpopular Jack and Kate ones. Why must you HAVE to learn something new each episode? Just go with the drama.
Nahhh think its me in the minority....the problem is that I watched the whole of Season 1 in about a week or so and I loved it....got me really hooked and I don't usually watch TV series.
This season I've been watching it as it came out each week so its seemed to be really slow paced and each episode brings up more questions and answers.
I'd bet lots of money that I'll still watch Season 3....hopefully I can be patient and save them for a marathon viewing like Season 1. I just hope that theres a few more answers than in Season 2 :)
Do you really want answers though? We think we do but as someone pointed out earlier, when you see a magic trick you think "I wonder how they did that" then you find out it always feels anti-climatic
At the end of the day, as long as a show (any show) keeps me entertained for the time being it's doing it's job. If I knew they'd tell us everything in Series 4 but Series 3 was dull I might give up and come back when they'd given us answers. But so far the episodes have generally been very good. There's always going to be the odd one that misses the mark
y'know, for such major characters, which appear pretty fundamental to the main multi-season story arc as they are, you'd have thought they'd get them contracted in for a long time. I mean it looks like Desmond's bunny boiler ex Penelope is going to spend a fair bit of time looking for him, and that she's central to the story ... so if the actor is too busy in 24 or whatever, were they just going to forget about him and her and that whole story line?
Anyway it's good news, I like notHenry (Zepp) a lot, and Desmond was pretty good in the finale too. So I damn well hope they're both back!
Don't know about Lost but in Babylon when JMS planned out the whole five years, he wrote in 'trap-doors' for each of the characters, should the actors want to leave for whatever reason - providing a way of moving them out of the story and pushing important plot stuff onto other characters. If they're not making up Lost as they go along, I imagine there's something simmilar.
Do you really want answers though? We think we do but as someone pointed out earlier, when you see a magic trick you think "I wonder how they did that" then you find out it always feels anti-climatic
It's not that I want all the answers, but for two years Lost has been the master of raising new questions without answering them. The whole 'monster' plot that drove the first season dissapeared for much of this series... that said I feel that even though this season has been a little slow in places, it's superior to the first overall.
My reasoning behind this is that while the first season just raised questions and gave us nothing, the second season was a lot more cohesive in that it raised the issue of the button at the start, and concluded it at the end, while allowing the plot lines with the Others and the monster to sit in the background. It raised a mystery, then answered it- and hopefully the long term effects of the 'answer' will play into the next season, and I hope season 3 also has some sort of year-long mini-arc.
Oh and Henry Gale is the monster, obviously.
MaxNutter
02-06-2006, 09:16
I must be in the minority then, as I love this pace... I am in no hurry to get any answers, let alone all of them. I am really interested in ALL the character's back stories, even the seemingly unpopular Jack and Kate ones. Why must you HAVE to learn something new each episode? Just go with the drama.
House, which was arguably the best TV show on last season, was very formulaic and had little character development - but it managed to just get better and better each and every week.
I found there to be only one below-par (what a stupid expression, as it should be good to be less than "par" in golfing terms surely?) episode, the one with Charlie wanting to baptise Claire's baby.
i agree, it adds to the character development, like reading a novel ...
It's not that I want all the answers, but for two years Lost has been the master of raising new questions without answering them.
To be fair it has answered a lot of questions, it just rases new ones when you find the answer, much like life I guess
Griffdude
02-06-2006, 15:08
The creators said we saw the monster without realising it.... So that certainly rules out the Black (nanobot) Cloud.
maybe it's walts dog
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