The SkyHD HDMI incompatibility with certain TV's thread

[Baz]

Well after the initial installs took place on Monday and Today it has come to light that certain new TV's are not working with skyHD like they should.

So if you have any of the following TV's prepare for some disappointment:

Panasonic LXD60
JVC DX7
JVC DS7

Sky also mentioned that some LG TV's have issues also but I dont know which model numbers are affected.

The issue? Well it seems the TV or the Sky Box can't hold onto its output mode, i.e 1080i 720p or 576 when changing channels on sky and the TV either switches to another mode to what the sky Box is set to, which results in either a blank screen as it cant make sense of the picture or a jumbled mess.

Switching to component seems to clear the issues however.

Sky, JVC and Panasonic all are aware of the issues. Sky are saying the TV's are not working, Panasonic have said its a known issue without a fix and JVC have said they will work with sky to find a fix.

Just a heads up for the owners of these popular TV's and also to ask that if anyone has any of these sets that with SkyHD to post their findings.

[_geordie_]

ok, that's worried me. my lg 42px5d arrives saturday. sky hd installed on june 13th (please god).

can any lg 42px5d owners confirm that it's all good with sky hd? (particularly through component)

thanks

[Geoggy]

and again the decision to wait before ditching the CRT and sky+ looks like a good one.

[samchode]

and again the decision to wait before ditching the CRT and sky+ looks like a good one.

thats a bit unfair - the vast majority have no problems and tbh i think a lot of problems are people not understanding their sets /sky box resolution settings

theres usually a work around to most problems in av

my panny pwd8 (hd compatible only) - superb pq over component and better than hdmi

[Baz]

thats a bit unfair - the vast majority have no problems and tbh i think a lot of problems are people not understanding their sets /sky box resolution settings

theres usually a work around to most problems in av

my panny pwd8 (hd compatible only) - superb pq over component and better than hdmi

Thats quite Condescending to the people who are effected. I have a JVC that is and believe me I understand the skyHD and the TV perfectly well thank you very much. The 2 are not compatible over HDMI and its either the TV or the SkyHD box thats to blame.

And these are current, brand new, 2006 TV's, both of the companies are major players in the LCD market and are the current companies flagship LCD models.

Yes theres a work around but its a major major inconvienience not to be able to use the channel up/down button on sky.

Ill wait until you a have a problem you cant fix on your new £1500 kit and then post that its your lack of knowledge to blame see how you like it.

[samchode]

Thats quite Condescending to the people who are effected. I have a JVC that is and believe me I understand the skyHD and the TV perfectly well thank you very much. The 2 are not compatible over HDMI and its either the TV or the SkyHD box thats to blame.

And these are current, brand new, 2006 TV's, both of the companies are major players in the LCD market and are the current companies flagship LCD models.

Yes theres a work around but its a major major inconvienience not to be able to use the channel up/down button on sky.

Ill wait until you a have a problem you cant fix on your new £1500 kit and then post that its your lack of knowledge to blame see how you like it.

firstly please calm down my comments were not directed at you :)

if you are so well informed then i suggest that you look to the jvc as the root cause!

if hdmi is a problem try either component or dvi/vga - after all not being able to use the sky up/down button is hardly earth shattering

as for my new 1.5k kit - bit off the mark there - had plasmas before (and lumagen scaler) and the figure is nearer 10k

my original point was that forums generate panic - better to stand back and take a deep breath

tv specs are continually evolving but is it purely coincidence that people who know a bit tend to stick with the panny panels - which incidently are cheaper than the tellies?

[Baz]

firstly please calm down my comments were not directed at you :)

if you are so well informed then i suggest that you look to the jvc as the root cause!

if hdmi is a problem try either component or dvi/vga - after all not being able to use the sky up/down button is hardly earth shattering

as for my new 1.5k kit - bit off the mark there - had plasmas before (and lumagen scaler) and the figure is nearer 10k

my original point was that forums generate panic - better to stand back and take a deep breath

tv specs are continually evolving but is it purely coincidence that people who know a bit tend to stick with the panny panels - which incidently are cheaper than the tellies?

Im perfectly calm but do realise that these TV's are a lot of money and when they dont work how you expect them to then its very worrying. Harping on about lack of knowledge and work arounds doesn't cut it. Both of your posts are very patronising.

Im not causing any panic, I was direct with which TV's are effected so if you dont have any of the ones mentioned theres no need to worry. If you have one of the ones mentioned and you plan to get skyHD and use it with HDMI then there will be a problem. There has been mention of an advert break triggering the garbled mess also.

What happens when they introduce HDCP and turn off the HD over component? And what exactly do you want me to do with the JVC when JVC dont have a skyHD box to test it with and are refusing to admit to a problem?

And lastly the panasonic TV is also at fault. So much for those in the know buying panasonic huh.

[samchode]

Im perfectly calm but do realise that these TV's are a lot of money and when they dont work how you expect them to then its very worrying. Harping on about lack of knowledge and work arounds doesn't cut it. Both of your posts are very patronising.

Im not causing any panic, I was direct with which TV's are effected so if you dont have any of the ones mentioned theres no need to worry. If you have one of the ones mentioned and you plan to get skyHD and use it with HDMI then there will be a problem. There has been mention of an advert break triggering the garbled mess also.

What happens when they introduce HDCP and turn off the HD over component? And what exactly do you want me to do with the JVC when JVC dont have a skyHD box to test it with and are refusing to admit to a problem?

And lastly the panasonic TV is also at fault. So much for those in the know buying panasonic huh.


please read my post - ref panny i said those in the know favour panels not tvs! - the panny viera tv has problems not least the chassis design which limits your adjustments

as regards HDCP - read some av based forums and you will see that its probably going to be implimented much later IF EVER - and if it is implemented i can use hdmi as the panny board takes this (Note - panel not tv) - even the HD DVD players play over component as will Blu Ray

i do feel sorry for you but truth be told jvc are hardly a leading light in the development of plasma or lcd technology - look to panny/fujitsu and pioneer in those regards

i apologise for my 'patronising and condescending' comments but sometimes the truth can be painful - if however you genuinely want help i'll do what i can to assist :)

quick ps

if the adverts trigger a 'mess' is your box set to auto?

[Baz]

please read my post - ref panny i said those in the know favour panels not tvs! - the panny viera tv has problems not least the chassis design which limits your adjustments

as regards HDCP - read some av based forums and you will see that its probably going to be implimented much later IF EVER - and if it is implemented i can use hdmi as the panny board takes this (Note - panel not tv) - even the HD DVD players play over component as will Blu Ray

i do feel sorry for you but truth be told jvc are hardly a leading light in the development of plasma or lcd technology - look to panny/fujitsu and pioneer in those regards

i apologise for my 'patronising and condescending' comments but sometimes the truth can be painful - if however you genuinely want help i'll do what i can to assist :)



if the adverts trigger a 'mess' is your box set to auto?

Hark at me with the wrong brand TV.

You still dont get me do you. Its not an adjustment thats needed its a bug fix. Either a firmware update for the TV or a software download for the skyHD box. It's also nothing to do with LCD or Plasma technology its the HDMI socket on the panasonic and JVC not being compatible with the HDMI socket on the skyHD box. Surely such a incompatibilty is something people should be aware of if they are going to be considering one of these sets?

Please link me to a 40" or less fujitsu/panny panel/pioneer that is within my £1500 budget please? Or do I not deserve to have a HD TV that works at that miserly budget? Or even a 1368 * 768 42" panel?

So let me get this straight, the truth according to you is that it's tough on me because I didn't buy a fujitsu or panasonic panel (Note panel - not TV) and I dared to buy from such a poor brand as JVC? Nice of you to assist me mate.

Go and troll some other thread.

[samchode]

baz the budgie get off your perch ;)

ok - for less than 1K you can get the panny pwd8 42 inch hd compatible panel - it will blow off any jvc you wish to mention

in fact i see your not a million miles from me so i will make this offer in view of all forum members

come up to notts and see mine - i'll pay your petrol and even provide tea and biscuits :)

ps - btw its not a bug - the standards to which you allude have holes through which you could drive ******** add what you like :thumbs:

and why the obsession with hdmi :?: i've mentioned before component has the edge imo ;)

in fact hdmi has been described as the new euro scart - it has no technological advantages

[Baz]

Thats not even a HD display. Is that the panel you have? And you think that will be better than my HD JVC using skyHD? :lol: Have you even read or seen anything about this set but yet you are qualified enough to give such an expert opinion on it?

Dear me. :oh-hum:

And the obsesion with HDMI is that I have two of them both unused, whilst I have:

SkyHD
XBox 360
DVD recorder
Showcentre

all wanting to use the solitary Component slot. And when they do introduce HDCP I want my TV to work with it, as I want it to work for the next 6 or 7 years at least.

And yes I can get a switcher but thats not the point.

So if its not a bug what is it then? A design feature? :cuckoo:

[samchode]

budgie - as i said my offer to view has been made and YES it will blow your jvc off the block - if anyone else wants to view the offer stand but i;m not paying your petrol money as that offer was only made to see if budgie would face the facts :)

i could have bought a PHD 8 (50 inch)- but i know about the fan noise and a few other problems

maybe i'm lucky but i have access after hours so to speak to quite a few tv's/panels - even pre sky hd we fed hd to both pwd8 and phd8 through a htpc side by side - and over about 8' you could not tell the difference

and yes lumagen and iscan scalers were tried - audio/processors varied from krell/arcam etc

so in conclusion - been there -seen it- designed the t shirt

over to you

ps - if you want component switchers try js tech or better still vector

[Baz]

Your a bit of a panny fanboy aren't you.

Anyway enough please your spoling my thread and as its a serious problem can we resort back to serious responses, and no getting a panasonic non HD ready display isn't a serious option.

[samchode]

well the offer was made for you to view

you declined - fair enough but please stop stalking me on other threads

if you want info - seriously - ask your questions on av forums they may be able to help on the more technical issues

ps -as for spoiling your thread - bet you used to run home with the ball when the other kids would not let you win :p

[Baz]

I dont have questions, this thread was to make people aware and to log others that have similar problems so that I and others know how widespread it is.

And Ill post on whichever thread I want to.

Try being less smarmy though, its iritating when you come over as better than eveyone else. Not a nice trait at all.

[Edit]


ps -as for spoiling your thread - bet you used to run home with the ball when the other kids would not let you win :p

They wouldn't let me play with them because my ball wasn't made by the leading ball manufacturers. I bet you had the best ball though eh.

[samchode]

you lost the argument and now your getting nasty - i answered all your questions and now you get the huff

as i said ask on av forums for techno stuff - but i guess you know what will happen

in conclusion - its your thread - i leave it to you with pleasure :notworthy

[xraystan]

I wouldn't worry about samjet. He's one of these guys who is dangerous with a little information. Probably reads a lot of av mags and forums and then tries to baffle everyone with buzz words and product names.
You bought your tv and you are happy with it, that is all that matters.
Samjet goes on about his mates "in the industry". In other words he has a friend that works in currys/dixons/comet* (delete as applicable) who tells him all about the "latest HD tv, innit."

[splobber]

And here.

[samchode]

I wouldn't worry about samjet. He's one of these guys who is dangerous with a little information. Probably reads a lot of av mags and forums and then tries to baffle everyone with buzz words and product names.
You bought your tv and you are happy with it, that is all that matters.
Samjet goes on about his mates "in the industry". In other words he has a friend that works in currys/dixons/comet* (delete as applicable) who tells him all about the "latest HD tv, innit."

i never mentioned friends in the industry - please quote correctly

as for comet etc - no comment last thing i bought there was a kettle ;)

as for little knowledge please feel free to ask whatever you want

i don't understand why you have suddenly flamed me - i have offered a chance to back up my comments with a viewing and i offered to pay his petrol money - where is the fault in that :?: he's only 'down the road'

[Baz]

For reference heres the relevant thread on AVForums.

http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=346491

Maybe Samjet would like to offer his insight into that thread also.

[splobber]

Look, if it doesn't stop right now then I will black book anyone that ignores the request.

[samchode]

For reference heres the relevant thread on AVForums.

http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=346491

Maybe Samjet would like to offer his insight into that thread also.

baz - i can't be held responsible for every av related thread on the net

i don't know (as you don't) what they really know or understand

my offer to view was based on good faith - joking apart and the offer still stands

as for a splobbers comment - i'm at a loss - though better of mods :?:

well this post was made before i saw splobbers comment

so fair enough matter closed from my side

[splobber]

Look at the other thread that you and Baz are going hammer and tongs at in.

Basically, if all the posturing and goading doesn't stop here (and you are both as bad as each other imo) then I will get out the yellow card. Hope that explains it more.

[Deron]

Heh...

Funny thread. I think the original message is very important though. There's enough people expecting hdmi to work straight off the cuff.

The avforums is very busy at the moment and is basically grinding to a halt under all of the skyhd threads.

p.s. I have a Fujitsu...Panny glass Fuji's superior electonics ;)

And if anyone wants to come round they can sod off...

[_geordie_]

And if anyone wants to come round they can sod off...

:lol: :lol: