View Full Version : Is Steve McClaren the right man to be the new England boss ?
Yes, why not. An English manager who knows the setup and is well respected.
hmmmm ... not sure about him.
He brought in some very good players at boro. but looking at his record of won 97.... lost 91...... is that england manager pedigree?
No.
Rushing out now, (damn this working for a living lark!) but will post more later.
Pisces Iscariot
04-05-2006, 17:08
No.
He's with his players all year at Boro and can't get any semblance of consistency from them and I'm not convinced that he knows what his best XI is so how will he manage with all the players at his disposal for England? I think he's a very good coach but I don't think he has the man-management skills to deal with the big decisions he'll have to make.
He won't do particularly badly but is he strong enough to ignore pressure from the media and is he strong enough to make tough decisions such as giving the captaincy to someone other than Beckham?
Art Vanderlay
04-05-2006, 17:21
Given a straight choice with no history of involvement with England, then no.
But given the situation where he already has experience with the team, and the FA under pressure to have a safe pair of hands that won't rock the boat, then yes :)
No.... why didn't hey wait until after the world cup?????
joconnor
04-05-2006, 17:32
If you asked the fans of Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea etc if they would want McClaren to be their next manager you would not get many positive responses.
But speaking on behalf of Scottish, Welsh and fellow Irish men all over the world, it's a fantastic choice :thumbs: :p
No.... why didn't hey wait until after the world cup?????
in fairness, I think M'boro will be grateful it's been decided now, so they can get a manager in before the start of next season. It would be unfair to poach a premier league manager in the first couple of months of next season. (In fact, I think there's a gentlemans agreement between premier league clubs not to approach each others managers during the season, so I guess this would follow a similar logic)
No.
He's done nothing really at club level (ok good run in the UEFA cup, but it's hardly the CL) despite spending millions.
Doesn't appear to have any kind of inspirational edge about him and is obviously a compromise choice.
I think O'Neill would have been a far better bet - but he's probably too much his own man for the FA to cope with.
NO! :mad:
It's almost like the FA sat down and said, "Who is the worse coach we could find?" and plumped for McClaren.
It'll be Graham Taylor all over again.
Spent a fortune and flirts with the bottom 3. UEFA Cup is as important as our league cup.
Rooney, now this. My personal football hell week.
A question to all of the NO voters, who would you have picked instead?
Curbishley - is his record better or worse than Smac's? What has he won and where have his team ever finished the league in how many years?
Big Sam? same question really, but would you really want to watch Bolton playing in the World Cup? Which scam would he come up with next to bend the rules a bit? And Oh, the whingeing!!
O'Niell - probably the only realistic candidate - but he's Irish
But speaking on behalf of Scottish, Welsh and fellow Irish men all over the world, it's a fantastic choice :thumbs: :p
Those with a chip on their shoulder maybe. I like to see England, Wales and Northern Ireland do well. Of course if Scotland are playing any of them then I support Scotland but otherwise its always good to see the Home Nations performing.
As for McLaren - don't really see you had any other choice and it was obvious he would named when they manufactured the front pages last weekend. Definitely a case of getting that out of the way before being named the new boss.
A question to all of the NO voters, who would you have picked instead?
Curbishley - is his record better or worse than Smac's? What has he won and where have his team ever finished the league in how many years?
Big Sam? same question really, but would you really want to watch Bolton playing in the World Cup? Which scam would he come up with next to bend the rules a bit? And Oh, the whingeing!!
O'Niell - probably the only realistic candidate - but he's Irish
I wouldn't have pickled an English man, because there isn't one who could do the job well. I don't think that statement amounts to treason. Just get the best man for the job.
The FA sold out when they went for Sven. Having an English manager no longer matters. You can't have your virginity back.
in fairness, I think M'boro will be grateful it's been decided now, so they can get a manager in before the start of next season. It would be unfair to poach a premier league manager in the first couple of months of next season. (In fact, I think there's a gentlemans agreement between premier league clubs not to approach each others managers during the season, so I guess this would follow a similar logic)
If the FA had been going to appoint Arsene Wenger do you really think that Arsenal would have let them make the announcement in the week before the Champions League final?
And why isn't this poaching? the season doesn't finish until Sunday, and ours next Wednesday!
Mick Davies
04-05-2006, 17:57
I’m on the side of no. He doesn’t have at the top management experience so I’m not convinced. I would have like to have seen one of the top premiership managers take it.
lostboy182
04-05-2006, 18:14
If Hiddink was still available, I'd have plumped for him, otherwise, of those available and interested in the job, Big Sam.
Its a simple equation - McClaren has had a great deal more money and better players at his disposal in the last 3 years, yet Allardyce has always finished ahead of him over a 38 match league season.
gjkendall
04-05-2006, 18:22
In my opinion, whats the point in him being the England number two for for all this time and not moving up to the number one position.
Middlesborough seem to do ok in knockout cup competitions...
I think it is probably the only decent choice the FA could make...not too sure about the four year contract (is that a basic contract)...I would of given him two years (to include the European championship) then taken it from there!
They should of made him caretaker manager, with the view to a full deal. He is not the motivater that England need. They have a team that almost picks itself, and they get taught far more by their respective managers than McLaren can teach them.
If they gave him 6 months they would have the chance to find the right man, or see if McLaren was really up to the task.
mclearrt
04-05-2006, 18:41
No - he's just a yes man, the safe choice for a beleaguered FA.
In my opinion it's a similar choice to Walter Smith getting the Scotland job - someone who won't rock the boat and gets on with the media.
nemo5000
04-05-2006, 18:42
He's the obvious choice. He knows the set up, and has the experience of working at that level.
I dont see that any of the other candidates would be a better bet.
Lets give him a chance, and hopefully the press wont be hounding before he starts.
I wouldn't have pickled an English man, because there isn't one who could do the job well. I don't think that statement amounts to treason. Just get the best man for the job.
The FA sold out when they went for Sven. Having an English manager no longer matters. You can't have your virginity back.
Very good post. There is no point chosing an English manager just on the basis that he is the best English manager around at that time.
A question to all of the NO voters, who would you have picked instead?
Curbishley? Big Sam? O'Niell?
That is the problem isn't it. None of the above. There was only 1 outstanding candidate on the list and he withdrew.
I don't know who we could have got, but surely there has to be someone better. Personally I couldn't give a flying frig what nationalitythe manager is, as long as he inspires.
It's a shame that the FA backed themselves into a corner with their deadline. It was done with the best of intentions but now we are left with an unproven manager that inspires as much as a bit of soggy cardboard.
sideshowhibs
04-05-2006, 19:10
If you asked the fans of Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea etc if they would want McClaren to be their next manager you would not get many positive responses.
But speaking on behalf of Scottish, Welsh and fellow Irish men all over the world, it's a fantastic choice :thumbs: :p
That's why I voted Yes - I was worried when it could have been Big Phil ;)
The 3 little pigs
04-05-2006, 19:14
Not my first choice but now he's got the job lets get behind him :) :thumbs:
No - he's just a yes man, the safe choice for a beleaguered FA.
In my opinion it's a similar choice to Walter Smith getting the Scotland job - someone who won't rock the boat and gets on with the media.
I was just writing the exact same thing when I noticed your post - I agree totally.
No - nothing he has done has convinced me that he is capable of getting the most from his players. I can't see him being capable of laying down the law to the egos in the dressing room nor can I see him inspire the team with inventive tactics.
Only plus point is that he knows the current set up and can get down to business straight away - but that is not necessarily a good thing if fresh ideas are wanted.
A question to all of the NO voters, who would you have picked instead?
I would have gone for someone like Stuart Pearce with Alan Shearer as assistant.
Undecided -- as he's already a member of the England staff, it doesn't take much to predict the post-WC headlines should England have a disaster of a campaign.
The FA should have waited until after the WC. I agree with whoever says it's unfair on the club who lose a manager in pre-season but tough, I'm afraid.
if they were going to go with Mclaren they should have got rid of sven immediately they announced they were looking for a replacement to avoid any infighting or factionalism at the world cup, which will be fairly inevitable now.
rbullivant
04-05-2006, 20:55
To be perfectly honest you don't really need to work with players on a daily basis, all you really need to do is pick a team that won't embarress themselves. I'd say at least 8 out of the starting 11 pick themselves and a quick team talk at half time and the job seems pretty easy.
To be honest we haven't really had an England manager since Alf Ramsey who has really proved to the world he is any good, they do fine in the games you would expect them to win but the first time they come up against decent opposition they lose.
I say give him a chance, he'll qualify us for Euro 2008 without any problems (if he does then he should go) but really it is the quality of the players that will count.
Who else would they give it to with the press demanding an Englishman the choices are very limited, he was one of about 4 candidates that may or may not have done a decent job and the FA plumped for the safest option of who had worked with England before.
Rik
mklion123
04-05-2006, 21:56
I think it makes a total nonsence of having an english manager when we end up with Mclaren. I want the best man for the job, if he happens to be foreign then so be it.
I just dont think Mclaren's record say's England manager.
just out of interest what has he won?
personally I'd of liked to have seen Wenger as manager, someone who can build a team, and can spot talent early on, and play good football.
I dont see Mclaren being able to throw 4 attackers up front when 2-0 down against brazil and expect to win.....
still better to throw 4 attackers on and chase the game than continue to be cautious when behind like that. In a knock out game you might as well lose 8-7 than 2-0. There can't possibly be a neutral fan in the country who wasn't entertained completely by Boro's last 2 european home games. Compared to some of the drivel served up by Sven's england in some of their qualifying matches, I know which I'd rather watch.
gingertom
05-05-2006, 07:04
Unfortunately it just reminds me of when Ron Greenwood got the job. Nice bloke, good tactician. But just not really what we all wanted?
There weren't really any "English" candidates. Oneil tried to impose himself to much. And am still surprised that "Sparky" was never considered. The idea of "grooming" an English manager under the wing of a "great" forigen coach should have worked. But Sven isnt that good, and unfortunately his brand of management has then seen Maclaren develop in the same way (even shagging other women!).
We should have waited until after the World Cup and then gone for Hiddink
still better to throw 4 attackers on and chase the game than continue to be cautious when behind like that. In a knock out game you might as well lose 8-7 than 2-0. There can't possibly be a neutral fan in the country who wasn't entertained completely by Boro's last 2 european home games. Compared to some of the drivel served up by Sven's england in some of their qualifying matches, I know which I'd rather watch.
Here here! Though have to admit I rolled about laughing in his interview afterwards when he held up his hands and admitted he didn't have a clue how they managed it!
I really wanted an English manager and actually think McClaren is the obvious, and probably fairest, choice. He certainly deserves a shot at it! and whilst I have to admit he doesn't really inspire me particularly I think he'll do for the time being. Wish him the best of luck with it and really hope he proves his critics wrong :thumbs:
I just don't feel inspired by the FA choice.
I had hoped we would get a manger who would drop poor performing players, or not play them for tactical reasons regardless of how big a name/ego they are/have. I just don't see McClaren doing this. I notice that at his press conference he said it was all about results, personally I would like to see us play nice flowing attacking football as well, and with the players available to him I see no reason we can't.
I guess Downing will get a chance in the England squad now. :D
We should have waited until after the World Cup and then gone for Hiddink
Who is now committed to Russia
gingertom
05-05-2006, 11:17
After the farce thats being going on its not surprising. But to manage both a club and national team to success in one season shows his quality. We are a lesser team for not pursuing him.
Good luck to McClaren. Maybe nice guys do come first?
I've always said get the best man for the job, doesn't matter if he's english. Now they have gone the english route i think they made the right choice. Imagine having Curbishley as england manager :eek:
At least Mclaren has done well in cup competetions which is what england will be playing and has also actually won something.
Harold1066
05-05-2006, 19:17
I think Mclaren is a typical English England manager, not to much success in the top division of the league.
Most of the England managers back to Alf Ramsey had little success at club level the exception being Don Revie.
We`ve never really had strong managers and thats why the EPL has so many foreign managers now.
The FA have always gone with the nice face of English football, again the exceptions being Revie and Venables.
I`m glad that they went with an English manager and maybe we will see some passion coming from the bench in matches to come.
One name that never seem to appear was Peter Taylor, who I think would of been an ideal choice.
I voted Yes :D Even though England would be better off with big Phil
No. He was Sven's boy, and so this represents nothing new for England IMO.
I also empathise with Gibson's comments about Dein - there is a touch of darkness about that man. Wenger would have been much better
unrealnils
05-05-2006, 20:26
Give it too Murinho/wenger/Benitez part time!
gingertom
06-05-2006, 07:27
Give it too Murinho/wenger/Benitez part time!
Part time, U serious? :|
unrealnils
06-05-2006, 08:46
Is the england job so hard the manager cant continue to run a club side too ??
gingertom
06-05-2006, 08:53
If you are dealing in smaller countries (i.e. Hiddink and Australia), that would seem to work, but can you really see someone like Wenger wanting to play a 90% fit Cole in an England qualifier, when he needs the same player 100% fit for a Champs league match the next week. It just wouldnt work
Middlesbrough 0-4 Sevilla
FA got the right man for the job then. :|
unrealnils
10-05-2006, 23:43
But is one of the three i mentioned part time not better then SM full time ??
Either way i dont see one fo theose 3 doing it when they havent represented there own country before
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