Push email

[stampax]

Can i just check I have a full understanding of this - is Push email when your device automatically senses you have a new email, so will conect to the internet and download it for you (i.e. rather than you dialing/connecting up to see if you have any email?)

Thus it would be ideal for mobile phones which even if not connected to gprs will know there is mail waiting, so connect and get the message?

[Dan]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push_email

[Kryten]

Blackberry's are the number 1 in this space :)

[nigel_williams]

I've just started playing with push e-mail via the free mail2web service. There are more details in the PDA Phone thread.

I think it works by your device sending synchronisation requests to an Exchange server at pre-defined intervals. So at peak periods, this will be every 5 minutes for example. The effect is your device is receiving the e-mail directly, but it is in fact polling the server to check for e-mail (and calendar/contacts etc ehrn available) automatically.

[Kryten]

I think it works by your device sending synchronisation requests to an Exchange server at pre-defined intervals. So at peak periods, this will be every 5 minutes for example. The effect is your device is receiving the e-mail directly, but it is in fact polling the server to check for e-mail (and calendar/contacts etc ehrn available) automatically.

That's not how BlackBerry and MS Push mail works, they work by sending a special SMS style message to the phone when a new mail arrives (or update happens) telling it to connect back and pick up the information.

[simonmac]

Blackberry's are the number 1 in this space :)

Have you got your new handheld yet?

[Kryten]

Have you got your new handheld yet?

I did get a 8700, but returned it as T-Mobile (http://www.thedvdforums.com/jump2.php?url=http://valuemobiles.at/thedvdforums) made a small mistake (you have to pay them a lot more to use a BES server and not their own BB service). I am right now waiting for the Nokia E61 to be released (hopefully a couple of months max) and will probably get that with T-Mobile and their new business tarriff.

The 8700 is a really nice piece of kit though, and if the Nokia doesn't live up to the hype then I'll get the 8700 again.

[simonmac]

I love my 8700, battery sucks big time though.

[Kryten]

Really? How bad is it? The 7280 battery is getting really old now and is definately past its best :(

[simonmac]

I can only go a few days before the battery goes, bluetooth is a complete non starter. Its the trade off for the :luv: screen

[nigel_williams]

I've got it working via UMTS/GPRS now, so any e-mails I forward from my GMail to mail2web get sent to my XDA immediately.

[Kryten]

I can only go a few days before the battery goes, bluetooth is a complete non starter. Its the trade off for the :luv: screen

Thanks for the info. Bluetooth will be a big thing for me, and I like the idea of the wi-fi built in to the E61 so will definately wait.

[andog]

What costs are attributed to 'push email' - i've done a search and assume that you have to pay for the app. that sends the 'message / push' to your phone that you have new mail but i'm not sure...

Any particular thread / info I'm missing?

[dochall]

That's not how BlackBerry and MS Push mail works, they work by sending a special SMS style message to the phone when a new mail arrives (or update happens) telling it to connect back and pick up the information.

That is how blackberry works, and even that may have changed due to RIMs patent issues, but I think that MS push works in a slightly different way. Push on windows mobile works by maintaining a link to the exchange server which isn't polled but works more along a publish and subscribe model.

The cost of push is entirely dependent on how much mail you get and what you actually download, it all down to the amount of data you transfer. As standard I think that MS automatically downloads the first kilobyte or two of each message. Enough to get most fairly short messages but if you want to download attachments it can get expensive fairly quickly.

Whether push is definitely cheaper than polling also depends on your mail pattern but in most cases should work out significantly cheaper. I have just moved to push but polling was costing me around £40 per month in data charges (paying top whack as there is no data allowance in my contract.)

There isn't any real cost associated with the app as it's built into the phone. Blackberry have been doing it for some time but for MS you need a WM5 device. I don't know the deal with the Nokia smartphones.

[internetuser]

for push email to work on my MDA Vario, you need the latest firmware (offical Tmobile now) and an exchange server

then a data tarrif on your normal tarrif or look for big costs (on tmobile anyway) data is unlimited for 7.50 a month.

works well, shame your always in the office with it....

[andog]

cheers guys - so i'd need an exchange server... not aimed at your bog standard home user yet then :( or is there ways around this?

edit: not sure why I asked that, cos I recall reading places like 1&1 Internet (http://www.thedvdforums.com/jump2.php?url=http://www.kqzyfj.com/click-1504864-10374957) do it i think...

[Kryten]

You don't need exchange, T-Mobile (http://www.thedvdforums.com/jump2.php?url=http://valuemobiles.at/thedvdforums) do a POP3 version of the Backberry for just a fiver a month more than the voice tarriff :) Can access upto 10 POP mailboxes.

[adencool]

at work we have about 6 smartphones (c600) using the exchange push aku2

as some one said this is do via constant polling of the server, but its minial amount of data (called heart beat) on avg it uses 6 megs a month (so on payg about £8(orange)

[Dunkie]

I have an SP5 and my friends all have Vario's

The all have mail accounts on my exchange server in my loft which pushes mail to all our devices

We all have the same tarrif on Tmoblie (40 meg a month free) and as well as a fair amount of browsing none of us have ever exceeded the data allowance :D

The MS push mail to smartphones/pocket PC's is really easy to setup on both the server and client side if you have a couple of hours spare to do the install of exchange.

Its really easy to use and is dead fast once setup

there are some sites on the web which charge for the service and just download a config file to your smartphone etc to set tthem up.

if you want to test my server let me know and I can set you up with a login and account so you can have a play.

dunk

[Kryten]

I think this is actually better off in the mobile forums now :)

Moving...

[locutus_uk]

I went into my local T-Mobile store yesterday and they said they were expecting the e61 in a week or so.
A friend of mine has one and it is a very nice bit of kit.
I also like the SE M600i, but you lose wi-fi on that, though it is smaller than the e61 and does have a touchscreen. However T-Mobile said they won't be getting it as it is still too buggy.

[internetuser]

TBH I have found wireless to be abit of a gimmic on my MDA Vario since I went on the data tarrif. As it lets me do everything I need on the unlimited package.

If I was abroad the wireless option may save me a good few quid tho, but in the uk it is currently just a feature i do not use now....