Do you buy R1 just for longer running time.

[M@T]

Its the case that with R1 movies running times are always longer than R2 because of speeding up problems with PAL.

So a movie like Any Given Sunday the R2 running time is 151m the R1 is 157m, 6 minutes difference for the exact same movie no cuts or anything.

So do you prefer to buy R1 for this reason?

[tpr007]

PAL sppedup makes no difference to me.
NTSC frame rate isn't the original one anyway - it's slightly slower, and PAL is slightly faster, with PAL's resoultion being greater

Swings and roundabouts

The only reason to Get R1 over R2 is the uncut, added features type of release.

[jroadley]

Originally posted by M@T
Its the case that with R1 movies running times are always longer than R2 because of speeding up problems with PAL.

So a movie like Any Given Sunday the R2 running time is 151m the R1 is 157m, 6 minutes difference for the exact same movie no cuts or anything.

So do you prefer to buy R1 for this reason?

For me its the region that gives the best overall value for money. Although a lot of the time the R1 wins because of better extras/sound (Recently on R1 Shrek carried a DTS track , R2 or R4 didn't (Not sure on R4)) ;)

[Gromit]

Originally posted by tpr007

The only reason to Get R1 over R2 is the uncut, added features type of release.

Would completely agree and also add the often much earlier release schedule and increasingly the DTS option.

There is also the pleasing advantage of not having pointless scrawl, such as the Sun thinks this film is better than a pair of 38 DD knockers, spread all over the cover.

[Tony Keats]

Originally posted by tpr007
PAL sppedup makes no difference to me.
NTSC frame rate isn't the original one anyway - it's slightly slower,

It's not the original rate no (film is usually 24fps), but the movie itself doesn't run any slower. NTSC conversions use all 24 frames of the original and then duplicate 6 of them (spaced at regular intervals) every second, that's how they get the required 30fps of NTSC. That means the film is still running at the correct speed and also means that the sound will be reproduced accurately. I'm sure you knew that anyway tpr007, but I didn't want anyone else to get confused!.

The only reason to Get R1 over R2 is the uncut, added features type of release.

Yes, but purists would argue that hearing the soundtrack at the right pitch is another good reason. As mentioned elsewhere, Hugh Grant sounds like a chipmunk on the R2 Bridget Jones' Diary extras!.

[tpr007]

Fair point
although the Pal/NTSC speed issue is by far one of the weakest reasons for choosing one region over another.
Price (R1)
Features (R1
Uncut (R1)
Quality (often R2)

are far better reasons!
R1 still wins usually!

[hookbeak]

Don't forget the biggest reason R1 often wins out....films can be available on R1 months before other regions.

[jonathan_d]

when a film is projected at a uk cinema do they still use 24fps or 25 as pal would be?

[tpr007]

Ordinary Cinema projectors at your average cinema often use the same reels recycled from the US - so , as its merely a projector, it should be identical

[jonathan.e]

Yes, my purchasing decisions for DVDs and select vegetables are based entirely on length.

[stephen]

AFAIK most cinema projectors run at 24 fps, as theres thats how the film was originally shot and theres no reason to change it in cinemas.

The running time and pitch of the soundtrack don't bother me, but the 3:2 pulldown really irritates me so I buy the PAL version most of the time to avoid that (unless it was 30fps in the first place)

[Bamse]

Am I correct in saying there will be no 3:2 pull down, if your DVD player outputs raw NTSC and your TV excepts it without conversion?

[stephen]

Originally posted by Bamse
Am I correct in saying there will be no 3:2 pull down, if your DVD player outputs raw NTSC and your TV excepts it without conversion?

Raw NTSC is 30fps, and cinema film runs at 24 fps, so you always need 3:2 pull down to convert the frame rate to NTSC.

I think progressive scan DVD players/TVs can remove the repeated frames and leave the original 24fps, but I'm not sure.

[Mr Nice]

It's not the original rate no (film is usually 24fps), but the movie itself doesn't run any slower.
Actually, NTSC is slightly slower, since NTSC isn't actually 30fps, its 29.970, so it runs films at an effective frame rate of 23.976.
This only amounts to about 7 seconds every two hours though, so is only really an issue when you are retiming NTSC sourced subs for PAL.

[Nimak]

I go for the one purely which comes out first! I'm not interested in crappy extra's only the film (of course R1 releases films nearly first most f the time) so i get R1.. Plus you more often than not get a DTS Track.. Besides it's cheaper importing a R1 than going to the High Street and Buying a R2.. Makes you think doesn't it?