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satin
21-12-2001, 06:57
In the news today . . .


Studios feel pinched disc as DVD bonus costs boom
By Scott Hettrick

HOLLYWOOD (Variety) - Don't get too used to all those embellishments on DVD versions of your favorite films.

Many video vets believe such extra material could start to disappear thanks to escalating costs and demands by talent and guilds. Studios are balking at new fees for script use and star participation, even as overall DVD sales surge and consumers embrace ``special edition'' packages.

Variety's sister publication Video Premieres reports this month that Arnold Schwarzenegger was paid $75,000 for audio commentary and other input on Artisan's recent ``Total Recall'' disc. And while that may be a pittance compared with the $30 million he's set to earn for ``Terminator 3,'' it exceeds the entire production budget for all extra material on many special editions.

Until recently, directors and others have mostly agreed to sit at no charge for DVD interviews or commentaries to help promote the movie or for purely nostalgic or personal interests.

Lately, though, producers and studios are reporting an increasing number of demands for payment by stars for audio commentaries and interviews. At least two commanded payments of $10,000 each for one recent DVD release.

``Pretty soon we'll just stop doing them,'' says the disgruntled president of one top-tier distributor.

Artisan declined to comment for this story, as did most other studios.

Several sources identify one new wrinkle already changing the DVD landscape: this year's Writers Guild of America pact with producers and studios. It calls for a mandatory $5,000 fee paid to writers for every movie released on DVD -- $250,000 has been collected since May -- and requires that the writer be included in some fashion in any special edition featuring the director.

Although the WGA did not confirm it, Zach Hunchar, director of worldwide DVD operations for Lions Gate, says guild rules also require an extra fee to include a script on a DVD.

Concerned about varying fees attached to ever-changing definitions of what constitutes a promotional extension of a movie vs. a newly produced program, several studios, including MGM and Universal, are ordering producers to limit documentaries to 30 minutes or less. New restrictions from the music industry have eliminated alternate audio tracks for the isolated film score.

Some DVD producers sympathize with talent's bid for a share in the studios' major new revenue stream. ``These are very busy people and their time is money,'' says independent DVD producer Charles de Lauzirika. ``It's a tough gray area we're getting into.''

Others argue that talent should consider DVD extras a form of promotion, not unlike a talk show appearance.

``Video is where films go to live,'' says DVD producer Alita Holly. ``Everything that you put into the DVD production is the living memory of your participation and goes toward the greater good of your career and your film. ``

Holly believes that unless the talent or extra element is crucial to the DVD, studios will simply eliminate those features in favor of less costly or troublesome ones.

Indeed, studios don't lack for filler material. They can always lard discs with extras that don't require new production, such as trailers, interviews from electronic press kits and behind-the-scenes TV featurettes.

Canned material is already starting to dominate DVDs, such as Universal's ``Dr. Seuss' How the Grinch Stole Christmas.'' That disc became one of the fastest-selling DVDs ever without an audio commentary and few exclusive bonuses.

Reuters/Variety REUTERS

mr.nick
21-12-2001, 07:50
Typical Arnie... a man who wouldn't smile unless there's some cash in it for him :rolleyes:

That aside; maybe this will be the case for some older re-releases but I would imagine studio contracts being written now would include DVD extras, specifically commentary, under standard promotional work of some sort.

The really sad thing is that it's us - the DVD buying public, the people that made this format a success - who are eventually going to foot any additional cost incurred from chisellheads like Arnie demanding additional payment for DVD extras :mad:

Urban Tiger
21-12-2001, 07:52
I can see the studios putting a clause in actors/directors contracts that things like commentaries are done as part of their fee. With the huge fees they are earning, I don't see this as causing too many problems (I hope ;))

Urban Tiger
21-12-2001, 07:53
Originally posted by mr.nick
Typical Arnie... a man who wouldn't smile unless there's some cash in it for him :rolleyes:

That aside; maybe this will be the case for some older re-releases but I would imagine studio contracts being written now would include DVD extras, specifically commentary, under standard promotional work of some sort.

The really sad thing is that it's us - the DVD buying public, the people that made this format a success - who are eventually going to foot any additional cost incurred from chisellheads like Arnie demanding additional payment for DVD extras :mad:

Great minds think alike, typed at the same time ;)

Michael Brooke
21-12-2001, 08:05
I don't think it's purely a question of greed - Bruce Robinson famously refused to do a commentary for <I>Withnail & I</I> because Criterion expected him to do it for nothing. Why on earth should he, especially as he famously never made a penny out of the film other than his basic fee?

I have a great deal of sympathy with him at the moment, as I've just discovered that the reason the mini-biography included in Nouveaux' DVD of <I>The Beast</I> seemed oddly familiar was because I wrote it for the IMDB many years ago! And did they bother to ask my permission or give me any credit? Is the moon made of green cheese? (The irony is, I'd not only have happily given permission, I'd even have offered to flesh it out and tailor it to that specific DVD for nothing - as I did for Anchor Bay's <I>Withnail & I</I>).

Too many people expect something for nothing in the DVD market - both consumers <U>and</U> producers!

gram99
21-12-2001, 08:30
Originally posted by Michael Brooke
I don't think it's purely a question of greed - Bruce Robinson famously refused to do a commentary for <I>Withnail & I</I> because Criterion expected him to do it for nothing. Why on earth should he, especially as he famously never made a penny out of the film other than his basic fee?

I have a great deal of sympathy with him at the moment, as I've just discovered that the reason the mini-biography included in Nouveaux' DVD of <I>The Beast</I> seemed oddly familiar was because I wrote it for the IMDB many years ago! And did they bother to ask my permission or give me any credit? Is the moon made of green cheese? (The irony is, I'd not only have happily given permission, I'd even have offered to flesh it out and tailor it to that specific DVD for nothing - as I did for Anchor Bay's <I>Withnail & I</I>).

Too many people expect something for nothing in the DVD market - both consumers <U>and</U> producers!

can you not take some sort of legal action against them for using your material?

mr.nick
21-12-2001, 08:36
Originally posted by Michael Brooke
Too many people expect something for nothing in the DVD market - both consumers <U>and</U> producers!

I have a problem with this statement...

How do consumers want something for nothing in the DVD market when we're not the ones who decide what content goes on a DVD or how much the RRP is?

Sputnik
21-12-2001, 08:41
Moving to the DVD and Movie Discussion Forum :)

A shame though... :(

But looking at it one way... I wouldn't mind (too much) only listening to commentaries done by people who genuinely wanted to be there.

Sputnik
21-12-2001, 08:45
Originally posted by mr.nick
I have a problem with this statement...

How do consumers want something for nothing in the DVD market when we're not the ones who decide what content goes on a DVD or how much the RRP is?

Because many of us expect to be given a commentary, hour long making-of, script/storyboard/final cut comparison, interviews, trailers and marketing material. But pay the same as we would for a bare-bones disc. Would you be happy paying £30 for Almost Famous Bootleg, and £15 for the standard edition?

Michael Brooke
21-12-2001, 09:06
<B>can you not take some sort of legal action against them for using your material?</B>

Possibly, but we're only talking a few sentences, and in any case I'm not in the habit of suing small independent distributors who tackle titles that others won't touch - I doubt it was done out of malice!

So I've written a "more in sorrow than in anger" letter, amongst other things expressing my regret that they didn't give me the opportunity to rewrite some not particularly inspired text!

mr.nick
21-12-2001, 09:07
Originally posted by Sputnik
Because many of us expect to be given a commentary, hour long making-of, script/storyboard/final cut comparison, interviews, trailers and marketing material. But pay the same as we would for a bare-bones disc. Would you be happy paying £30 for Almost Famous Bootleg, and £15 for the standard edition?

But nearly everything you mention is standard promotional fare for most [if not all] movies and was used in other mediums long before the DVD format was around.

With regards 'Almost Famous' then maybe the time will come when two-teir releases become the norm - one including extras, at a premium, the other purely the movie itself?

Michael Brooke
21-12-2001, 09:14
To be honest, I think most of the pre-existing promotional stuff is a complete waste of time - "featurettes" often consist of little more than the trailer, some meaningless on-location shots and a few inane and PR-censored comments by a few of the participants. Given that most of these things are shot in a few hours, that's not surprising - but they hardly add up to much in the way of "added value"!

And I can't see any changes affecting companies like Criterion and Anchor Bay which really do make an effort with their extras.

cervaro
21-12-2001, 09:42
Sounds like most of Paramount's DVD output already, i.e. little or no extras and still charging top dollar! :( They have to be the greediest studio around at the moment and very slow to release material onto DVD aswell.

Robby
21-12-2001, 10:07
But looking at it one way... I wouldn't mind (too much) only listening to commentaries done by people who genuinely wanted to be there.

I agree Sputnik, If Arnie doesn't really want to do the Comm but is doing it for an extortionate fee then i say don't bother. It'll probably end up crap anyway. I would think people like Tarantino and R Rodriguez actually get some satisfaction out of commentaries, they certainly sounded like it on the From Dusk 'Till Dawn one.

Maybe the studios 'could' implement a system where they earn money for the contributions the actor (or whoever) put in. Giving Arnie $75 000 and then asking him to talk about the movie is ridiculous. Why not say do your best and a take a share of the profits of the DVD.

I realise there is probably some flaws in what i just said. But i'm just throwing ideas about (plus i have only just got up:D)

cervaro
21-12-2001, 10:11
Originally posted by Robby
Maybe the studios 'could' implement a system where they earn money for the contributions the actor (or whoever) put in. Giving Arnie $75 000 and then asking him to talk about the movie is ridiculous. Why not say do your best and a take a share of the profits of the DVD.

Wasn't that part of the deal the Screen Actors Guild did earlier in the year? If so, it's indefensible for the big actors to be asking for even more money on top of their already extorniate fees for turning up on set each day to do their 'work'. :(

Robby
21-12-2001, 10:25
Originally posted by cervaro


Wasn't that part of the deal the Screen Actors Guild did earlier in the year? If so, it's indefensible for the big actors to be asking for even more money on top of their already extorniate fees for turning up on set each day to do their 'work'. :(

I wasn't aware of that. Then you are right it is outrageous they demand more money, especially if it could contribute to the lack of quality material we get on forthcoming DVDs.

Davester
21-12-2001, 10:59
:rolleyes: Easily solved! Put a clause in the contract.

bongo
21-12-2001, 11:05
The DVD market is now well established so the price of "bare bone" DVDs should go down. More people than ever are buying them so profits are higher. Paying no more than £15 for a basic disc and £25 for a extras pact 2 disc set seems fair to me. Any comments?

SimonI
21-12-2001, 11:38
Paying no more than £15 for a basic disc and £25 for a extras pact 2 disc set seems fair to me. Any comments?

As long as I can get the 2 disc from Play for £17.99 I don't care! :)

bongo
21-12-2001, 11:49
:clap: Tried and tested for almost 2 years I love play but my bank manager does not!

Cornelius
21-12-2001, 12:25
Originally posted by Michael Brooke
To be honest, I think most of the pre-existing promotional stuff is a complete waste of time - "featurettes" often consist of little more than the trailer, some meaningless on-location shots and a few inane and PR-censored comments by a few of the participants. Given that most of these things are shot in a few hours, that's not surprising - but they hardly add up to much in the way of "added value"!

And I can't see any changes affecting companies like Criterion and Anchor Bay which really do make an effort with their extras.

I agree Michael, the majority of extras on newer films are nothing more than lame filler, companies like the ones you've mentioned and HKL make the effort and do offer a genuine insight into a film.

I don't think I'll miss extras where for example you have a producer telling me how great Arnie was to work with, how he loved clowning around on the set and was just a 'regular'guy and fun to work with. If he gets 10 grand for that then good luck to him but I won't lose sleep worrying over whether it will be part of True Lies SE or not.